January 8, 2006
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Discrimination and Homosexuality Part 2
A great deal of the discussion in my last post centered around whether homosexuality was right or wrong. There were those who labeled it as wrong or immoral. Others labeled it as natural and genetic. Still others were undetermined.
Who determines what is right and what is wrong?
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God
God
God … turns out he was here before us.
Nobody, it’s all relative.
God determines right and wrong. It’s that simple, but people decide to change that and invent their own religions and views to fit the most convenient moral standing for them. God has layed down what morallity is, and what it is not.
And the most popular view is the idea that what’s true for someone could be untrue for someone else, but the fact is that morallity is universal, and it’s the same for everyone, no matter what.
-Jared
God … otherwise every thing is relative. He is the only source of absolutes.
God
Imma give 1/3 credit to the One who came not to abolish the Law, but Fulfill it…
G-O-D
God
And so, only the self has the authority to determine what is right and wrong
Ha. The mainstream.
But what is honestly right and honestly wrong?
God.
We’re imperfect creatures. How can imperfection decide what perfection is?
We can’t decide what’s really right.
I knew everyone would say G-d, or most people, I don’t think it’s that simple, but it would take a very long comment for me to get into it, so I’m not going to.
who cares? some people are gay. some people are straight.
why is it such a big deal?
“Morality is universal”
There are other cultures and religions who perform acts of terrorism and are doing the “morally right” thing.
But almost any american would disagree with bloodshed like that and think it was “morally wrong.”
Morality isn’t universal because of different views and beliefs.
oh, sure, god.
but we have no proof he exists. it’s easy 2 believe in a force above us. that’s what faith is. beliveing something without proof.
but we have 2 think literally. does god really determine wat is right and wrong? does he come down to Earth from his altar to decide? the truth is, wat is right and wat is wrong is usually in the hands of those that are wrong. and besides, there are 6 billion ppl on the planet – no 1 person has the power to decided wat’s right and wrong.
it’s everybody, and at the same time nobody.
Dan, what about the unbiased “Is it natural?” argument
No one determines what is right or wrong. It’s all relative.
No one.
u better get ur heart up there then.
God.
Who else but I Am.
-Chris
So many people can determine. I think homosexuality, like a lot of other things, aren’t right or wrong. It just is. I think G-d, since that is always the argument, just wants us to treat others with respect and dignity.
RYC: I want to be spoofed,I think it would be funny, maybe I should spoof myself.
All of my homosexual friends agree- it’s ridiculous to call it unnatural, most would NOT have chosen to be gay just because of all of the predjudice and hatred some people exhibit.
I definitely know that it is not up to a PERSON to decide what is right or wrong.
So many hypocrites.
my common sense
peace max
It’s relative, I think. Even views of what God considers right and wrong change as you move from country to country from society to society from culture to culture. I also think it’s unfair to say that all others are just “inventing” their own religions, because unless I’m highly mistaken, the Bible was derived from the Tenak? And yes, I am Christian. I mean, different groups of Christians can’t even decide on what is right and what is wrong! Perhaps we will just find out when we die, and until then do the best can to lead a moral life.
-Hil
God… Read Romans 1:26,27… then read 1 Cor. 6:9 ( in the New King James Version says homosexuals… other versions use different words)
hobos rules killed it.
this question has been debated since the beginning of time . . .
The Lord God Almighty
God
nobody, and the majority doesn’t count as nobody.
who cares. do what you want. live how you want.
I saw the first few, and it was God.
YOU determine what is right or wrong. >.>
Culture.
But then again, maybe nobody. Good and Evil are relative, as with truth..
No one, right and wrong is relative .. and how can people say it is God? Not every one of the 6 billion people on this planet believe in God so how do those that don’t know the difference? Society, culture, environment, that’s who. Not some supposed higher power that no one even knows exists for sure.
I assumed everyone would say God…because that is the CORRECT answer but what is suprising is there are sooo many people who are soooo lost in this world…they have no purpose in life but to gather wealth and ‘happiness’ for what? to die and leave everybit of it behind…sounds pretty sad….
ur personal opinion..u decide what is right or wrong, whether others influenced u or not…however u should learn to deal with the fact that not everyone is going to agree with ur opinions.
God.
but you can change that for yourself, temporarily, if you really want.
science…
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God
Posted 1/8/2006 at 3:05 PM by RagazzaBella5
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holy crap.
i agree with bereft dispassion on this – “nobody, its all relative”. exactly. its up to oneself to decide what is right and wrong.
and may i just say that everyone is wrong. we’re all flawed. get freakin used to it, because you cant change it.
you’re not perfect. too bad.
and believing in God isnt going to make you perfect either.
People say morallity is relative because it is convenient for them. after all, if you get to decide what is right and what is wrong, you can basically do whatever you want. I’ll give you a scenario…what if my ‘personal morallity’ dictated that mass murder and rape were morally right? Would that mean if I did those things, then it would be okay because I was following my own moral code? The answer is an obvious no.
If we can’t admit that there is someone greater than us who decides things such as morality and controls everything, then we are saying that humanity has the authority to choose what is right and what is wrong, and this shows how hopeless our society has become. The answer is very simple, God decides what is right and wrong, and anyone who doesn’t agree is completely incorrect and blinded by their own sefishness and arrogance.
RYC: I’m sure that he does care. He says he does and I’d really like to believe that. But he doesn’t show it. Not how it should be shown. What good is caring for someone if you don’t show it to them? Nothing really.
Saying anyhing OTHER than God, you’re really just trying to take the easy way out. It takes no faith, no morals, nothing at all to say that you determine what is right and what is wrong.
Is it so unbelievable that Gods 10 commandments are laws in todays world? (With the exception of the 1st, 2nd, & 4th)
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and believing in God isnt going to make you perfect either.
Posted 1/8/2006 at 3:41 PM by Ally1027
Nobody said it would. I’m rather confused where you got this idea. Nobody before you posted it… Clarify for me?
G-O-D.
No one person , you know this question has been asked before. This post lacks originality.
God…of course.
Wow, most people already said what I was going to say… God! Therefore I don’t think any human being should pass judgement on someone else for their sexuality… weather it is right or wrong or immoral. Love them for who they are as a person.
it’s all relative.
Hobbes’ Leviathan would blame it on the need for community security.
If you are a Christian God does…if not, you are just free to your own thinking…right or wrong
Sure, God knows what’s right or wrong.
The problem is, who among us can claim to know exactly what God thinks about any individual issue? Sure, we’ve got the Bible… which was written by MEN and has been translated by MEN thousands of times. How can we even trust it to be God’s ultimate word anymore? Even if you do, the Bible doesn’t address every issue in the world today.
What good is it to say God determines right vs wrong if we can’t know what His stance is on each issue?
Ultimately we have to come up with our own laws and judgements on morality. And in a multi-religious country and world, they can’t always be dictated by any one single religion’s text. If that isn’t good enough for you, then be satisfied knowing that (if your religion is in fact “the right one”) you’ll be the one going to Heaven in the end.
Shit no, it’s not God who determines what is right and wrong. You’re supposed to figure it out for yourself, and perhaps use religion to guide you.
Does anyone here remember the book Huckleberry Finn? The title character decides in the book that even if he’s been told what’s right and what’s wrong all of his life, he’s going to go with what he feels is right in his heart, no matter what the punishment. He’d rather go save the black slave, Jim, and go to hell than spend his afterlife in heaven with the people who want to keep their fellow humans in slavery.
You’re supposed to figure it out in your heart. If the world were perfect, then we could all do that and no harm would come to anyone because of differing opinions. But we live in a world where everyone, whether they believe in a higher power’s rules or not, is going to go by what they believe in their heart. If you are greedy, you will cheat people or steal from them and then go to mass on Sunday and listen to the priest preach about the values of honesty and fairness.
If I had more time, I’d write another novel, but I don’t.
Let me get something out in the open, though: I don’t hate God and I don’t hate Christians (or at least I’m trying not to- when there are so many that go and preach their religion and then go out and hurt others, it’s hard to not see a connection between Christianity and hurt). I hate the way that most Christians portray God.
Christianity can be beautiful. It’s Christians that make it look bad, especially elitist Christians, who try to make it look like since they are Christians, they are better than everyone else, when they are just as affected by original sin as everyone else.
Who do YOU think, Dan?
Okay, now that’s just a little wrong to call anyone who doesn’t believe in God immoral. As if several so-called Christians aren’t some of the most hypocritical, hateful bunch of people out there. It’s self-righteous Christians like you that make me PROUD that I’m atheist. Because if believing in God means I also have to think I’m better than everyone who’s different than me, I don’t want any part of it. Christianity and Morality have nothing to do with one another!! Believe it or not, you can be a good person and not be religious. Oh wait, there’s another thing that’s relative, good and evil. Geez.
RYC:
“I am glad you didn’t make a typo on the Thespian Conference. Just one miss of the finger and you might have had a lot of hate come your way. Ha.
Unfortunately, you’re right.
I like bbhooch’s answer. =) It answer some of my questions– if it is up to God to decide right vs wrong, then He can do so on the judgement day and the rest of us should refrain from passing judgement till then. It’s not our job to do so. Our job is to love our neighbors.
God. He gave us His word to live by. I will preach His word and existence till my dying breath. If you want undisputable truth in that God and in Christ do not exist , don’t believe Him. Once you are dead and face His judgment seat, well, you’ll know. It is not my intent that anyone faces that with fear, I look forward to it, and as a sinner I rank way up there. But I believe in Grace and salvation. God determines the constitution of the heaven’s. the number of the stars. God ordained the microorganisms that slither along this planet. God ordained the holy relations between man and woman within the context of a marriage in His eyes. God condemed the action of homosexuality. There is no genetic makeup or predetermination. There is NO actual evidence for this, a note for all those who question God based on the “science” of the day. But like I said, wait and see if I’m truly wrong.
This is how right or wrong is defined:
The character of God is Good itself. Wrong is the lack or perversion of what (good) ought to be.
This is how right or wrong is known:
Everyone has a moral sense of what is right or wrong.
I think the notion of things being inherently “right” or “wrong” is part of what is wrong with us. There is nothing “right” or “wrong” in an absolute sense, since these are human moral value judgements, and “right” and “wrong” do not exist outside of our minds. Oftentimes, we will judge something as “right” or “wrong” without considering *why* we think that way, and accept these judgements at face-value without applying any reason or thought. We have brains–we should use them to challenge any value we hold to be true.
Good question Dan. I was starting to wonder that after reading all the comments with people arguing. (I know. I was one of them.)
I came to determine that the people who determine right from wrong are… people. Well, not necessarily people. Their conscience. But, who determines right from wrong and has authority on said subject? The government.
*Sigh*
And God.
GOD
look how beautiful and intricate the world is……..how could it have come into existance without Him?
I take back the God thing. As in , “Not God”.
The Holy Bible (Jesus Christ) determines what is right and wrong. Homosexuality is WRONG according to scripture. God created Adam and Eve….NOT Adam and STEVE! In the Holiness Code of Leviticus, homosexuality is considered an abomination (Lev. 18:22), and such behavior was to be punished by death (Lev. 20:13).
The Bible does NOT recognize homosexuality as biologically constitutional or hereditary (as a kind of third sex), but sees its roots in the sinful nature of man- a psychosocial, learned behavior, expressing rebellion against God and calling for redemption. Such persons are responsible for their behavior. This is a VERY complex psycholotical problem with many possible roots or causes, calling for both Christian compassion on the part of God’s people as well as God’s redemptive power through the gospel. The ministry of the church to homosexuals should include: conversion, counseling, education, and support-group relationships.
Although Jesus never mentioned such behavior, probably because the problem never arose during His ministry among Jewish people, Paul clearly condemned homosexuality. Romans 1:26-27 considers homosexuality to be a sign of God’s wrath upon blind sinfulness.
Praise the Lord we have a loving and forgiving God when we confess and repent from our sins.
God Bless
TH ebible is just a bunch of common sense that people were too neanderthaul to understand for themselves. no one really decides what is right or wrong. God doesnt decide what is right or wrong there just is a right or wrong. if something hurts another than it is wrong. if something helps another it is right. you dont need a higher power or a god to tell you that. i ama christian but i dont believe that God tells us everything we need. The ten commandments are just something that were written to show specific guidelines as to what is right in the world. Do not murder is obviously something we abide by because its obvious we wouldnt want someone to come and kill us because of some religious belief, or simply out of hate and anger.
for me personally…Jesus Christ is my authority and He alone decides what is right or wrong. this doesn’t mean that i follow His law perfectly. I stumble across His “rights and wrongs” with the most ungraceful imperfection you’ll ever see. But He loves me just the same…i believe.
To a Christian, the bible.
God determines what is right and wrong, and He has revealed it to us in His Word, the Bible.
I don’t personally understand how an atheist could have any opinion at all about right and wrong. If our existance is nothing more than a freak accident, and we answer to no one bigger than ourselves, just other humans, who says one person’s opinion is any more valid than mine?
Either God determines morality, or every man determines it for himself. I prefer the first option.
Ultimately God does. We are given His Word to guide us but as Hil pointed out there is a great deal of dispute on most subjects even among christians. Some are prepared to ordain gays into the ministry others say no to this idea. Both groups say they are using the bible as a guide. There must be a deeper, more thorough understanding of right and wrong or we will continue to have these “misunderstandings”.
Tim
GOD
My vote is on GOD!
yourself
People who say “God” and then follow that up with ‘read this or that passage in the bible’ are being just a tad naive.
What if the person you’re speaking to is Muslim, or Bhuddist or Hindu, or any other religion than your Judeo-christian one? If you’re asking them to read the NT, what if they’re Jewish and think your Christ was an impostor who tried to say he was the Messiah? Your bible passages will carry very little weight with anyone who does not believe the Bible or believe in Christ.
I am a Christian, and I believe the Bible is useful for personal study and growth, but this debate has to go deeper than just saying “Oh, God said…” Because any God can say anything, and any Scripture can be used to back up any point of view.
On the Subject of homosexuality, what did the WORD of God say about it? Nothing. Jesus Christ is the WORD of God, and he never once mentioned it. He sure did talk a lot about slander and lying, and divorce, and hypocrisy and loving our neighbours. But not once, did he ever mention homosexuality, which makes the entire debate a secondary issue.
If you let a remarried divorcee sit in your church ever sunday with impunity, don’t come to me and tell me I can’t sit there too, because I am gay.
nuff said.
Who decides what is right and what is wrong? People decide for themselves, usually based on whatever riligious, moral or societal creed they happen to follow.
We all determine for ourselves, there is no set rubric for what is right and wrong. If someone believes what they are doing is right, then they are a good pesron.
our morals our upbringing. everything changes with the person.
-Neema
We do, based on our interpretations of what has been written in holy texts.
GOD
you can decide for yourself what is right and wrong, or choose to believe in someone else’s judgement (God, the pope, Buddha, etc.)
If we are speaking of the most of the American mainstream mind…. seeing as our faith is mostly derived of the Christianity faith… they would say God.
But without the religion… I would have to say the higher authority… and whatever he/she deems as such… if it does/n’t include religion… pro or con Christianity.
But then this can all be contributed back to the fact that people base their decisions on their moral feelings… or gut as you could say. And what we disperse as right or wrong can arguably be traced back to the census of who deemed right and wrong… pro/con religion… yet again.
God does. I think.
He seems to be the only one who is ever right about anything…heehee.
When I read that question I knew the most common answer would be “God”
I think people need to question things more instead of being lemmings and just following whatever is told to them. Read a bible, and make your own decisions, otherwise what’s the point? Are we all just drones trying to make everyone else a drone as well?
Genetics. But it really surprises me how many people say God. Though I do live I an area where atheism is very prevelant.
Is God just the simple answer…the answer for just about everything?
ryc, CMDLL:
i think what “morality is universal” means, is that there is an ABSOLUTE STANDARD of “goodness” that if we all lived by, things would be great…
but the point you brought up, that there is indeed terrorism and other dispicable things in the world, proves that we arent all living by that standard… and you’re right, ppl naturally dont do things that they believe are “bad”, and naturally do partake in in things they believe are “good”…
notice how i said “believe”…
…meaning, that everyone has their own opinion about whats right or wrong… meaning, somebody has to be INCORRECT in their thinking…
DUH I usually hate to say what the majority of others are saying, but there is only one correct answer to the question…
GOD
God most definitely.
God. But everyone also has their own perspectives and ideas on what is morally and legally right and wrong-and since God isn’t present in our everyday lives-He doesn’t TELL us what to do-humans do the best they can to figure out what society deems as ‘right’ and what is ‘wrong.
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~*~*Malorie~*~*
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GOD
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The society determines what is right and what is wrong. For example, in some societies it is perfectly normal to chop off someones head or to perform “female circumcision.”
Also, I am a Christian, but let me be struck down if I ever say that God tells this society the difference between right and wrong. Moreso, I’ve met atheists with a better set of morals than some Christians.
As a whole, I feel that societies stick pretty closely to Cultural Ethical Relativism. You can click the link if you wish to know more.
Your book of lies has determined the morals of this society, which is a problem.
But I know what I think is right and wrong about other people.
I feel I am a pretty decent human being, with excellent moral views, and many people tend to agree with me.
And I am not a god boy/bible thumper.
It’s completely subjective.
A lot of people are answering “God,” but there are so many different religions with their own interpretation of what God’s will is. Obviously this standard is mutable simply because we are mortal and our perceptions are limited. Each religious sect claims that their way is the right way. Which way really IS the right way? There’s no way to know. There is no hard, solid, physical proof. Each group has only their belief, so differing viewpoints remain.
This goes beyond religion as well. We have laws, but plainly people feel justified in making up their own rules for how to act, because people break laws. Friends may fight over whether a simple personal action is right and wrong, many times there is truth in what both say.
The only thing we have to go on is our own internal standard for right and wrong, based on what we’ve experienced and on what we believe. For some, this involves religion. For some, it does not. Our own priorities and morals determine how we judge our actions. Short of Santa Claus coming down from the North Pole to inform us why we’re on the naughty list or the nice list, that is the best that we can do.
Personally, my major deciding point for a right action and wrong action is whether or not something harms yourself or others, and also whether or not harm was intended. There are other factors involved – right and wrong are often not as simple as black and white – but those are the main things I look at for my moral code. Others may judge right from wrong differently.
how about answering your own questions? starting with your last one.
apparently the media
Well, God does, but humans have a way of mistranslating/twisting/bending what He says. So ultimately it is those in power, whether that be religious or governmental.
And then, the individual decides whether he agrees with that or not. So it’s a culmination of influences that determines right and wrong.
Sounds like a whole C.S. Lewis loaded question
“The Case for Christianity” Read it?
God decides right and wrong. For those of you who may say God does not exist, well, look at the facts. Jesus died and was risen up by the power of God. God appeared to Moses in the OT. Our universe points in every way to a co-eternal presence. God is the ultimate authority.
ps. I noticed about three Relativists in the section. It’d be interesting to know why they think that way.
I would hope everyone who said God, knows who they are talking about. If your not a monotheist when you say that, why bother.
Many people would have it be determined by a text, such as the Bible. I believe, even though I am against many things, and I may seem to believe things are wrong, it is not my opinion that matters. It is the opinion of the individual.
Some people that may have been gay in one environment would turn out straight in others because of the lack of some certain element, but it is up to the individual, based on what is given, to decide for themselves whether something is right or wrong. Many people do take this into their own hands,
but,
that is where most people go too far and then try to force their beliefs on others. Who are you to determine for someone else whether they go to hell or not? They may not believe in it. And since there is no proof it exists except in faith of the individual, you cannot force that belief on someone else.
People forget that no one is the same, we are all different, and we have a right to stay that way.
Decide for yourself, people. Don’t let others decide for you.
But then, leave others and their opinions alone. They decided, you decided, get past it and move on. Some one else said before, you can disagree with the belief, but get past it, that shouldn’t determine if you like a person or not.
Discrimination hurts the accuser (for lack of better word) as well as the victim. You could deny yourself the best friend you ever had solely by discriminating them for being gay, or handicapped, or black, or Jewish, etc.
You could really be screwing yourself.
God
Nicholas
God. God is the ultimate
It’s all relative.
I think drinking instant coffee is WRONG, but I won’t treat you any differently if you drink it.
Erika
Aren’t “right” and “wrong” just labels? Do they really mean anything?
I believe God does.
I’m also not going to sit here and tell everyone who believes otherwise how wrong they are and how bad they are. Saying things like that only provokes a negative response and is anything BUT Christlike and loving that Christians are supposed to-and claim-to be. I’m aware that we have no proof that God exists, but we also have no proof that He doesn’t. I know He exists because of the positive change I’ve seen in my life as a result of my relationship with Him.
Take that as you may-but it’s just my personal convictions.
Wow.. some of you guys have the right idea! Do you believe it? God is the one who is to decide the answers to all these questions.. Crack open a bible! Faith is believing and going beyond what the eyes can see! hugs
I believe God does, but not legally. People collectively decide for their societies what is perceived as right and wrong.
I believe that homosexuality is immoral; I do not believe, however, it is my place in society to tell a homosexual he or she cannot marry who he or she wants to. I don’t believe it’s anyone’s place to make that judgment. I think that individual churches should be allowed to decide what they want to do about it (or denominations, if it’s a structural issue), and that the court should allow marriage of gays.
As for the Christian argument, I believe that homosexuality is immoral; I also believe that lying, premarital sex, and stealing are immoral. I do all three of those; I am not any less likely to go to Hell than the common homosexual. Homosexuals are not helplessly hell-bound people while the rest of our sins are forgiveable. Remember your place, people. “Let he who has never sinned cast the first stone.”
No one can label something as right or wrong. Everyone has to make there own choices on that.
Not all differences are wrong. God will decide each indivual, and judge. All people who do No harm to others should be treated Equal. A lot of Homosexuals are decent people. Who knows???? Let God do his work. Boy am I mixed up or no——– Tough subject. GB
Society. And they blame it on God.
People are so stupid these days . . .God says what is right and wrong. If we all really decided what was right and wrong for ourselves the world would have killed itself by now…because every human’s inhereant (sp?) nature is to think this:ME, MYSELF, AND I.
after reading some of these comments, i’m a little angered to see that many christians (okay.. specifically one) think that people who do not believe in god are “taking the easy way out” and do not possess any morals.
each individual person. some choose to let God in to help with these right/wrong decisions, others don’t.
God?
God determines what is right and wrong and the Bible says homosexuality is wrong.
((( GRANDMA HUGS )))
Lori
The people envolved in the homosexuality. Judi
Society, popular, opinion, people too ignorant to form their own opinions, and a few common misconceptions.
RELATIVITY IS A COP OUT!!!!!
We determine what is right and wrong. Even if you believe in god and follow the bible people are still required to interpret it. That is why there are so many different sects of christianity. There is no definite understanding of morality. In my opinion, when it comes to legal issues; the actions that affect others (primarily harm others) should be the ones regulated by the law. I don’t see how homosexuality harms anyone. If it hurts you in the afterlife, shouldn’t that be up to you.
Shrekie, who else. lolz
I do.
People rely on religion. Many take on the same beliefs as their parents. Many people don’t take the time to learn about both sides of an issue before deciding, and don’t take into consideration the opposite viewpoint. And some have different morals than you because of cultural differences. I believe it’s truly a personal decision as to what’s moral.
each person must decide what is right and wrong for themselves. until it starts to hurt other people you should not voice your opinion on other people’s lives.
Socrates asked the same question to a priest named Euthyphro. Does God determine what is right and wrong or are actions right or wrong because they are. I have been saying for a while now that something is sin if it damages your relationship to your community, planet, or self. So, murder is wrong not because God said so but because it hurts God’s creation and emotionally hurts the family and friends of the person murdered. Stealing is wrong because what is stolen is owned by someone else and that would hurt them on various levels to loose their property. So promiscuous, non-commital homosexual intercourse is wrong because you emotionally and sexual connect to people without love or commitment and you run the risk of spread disease. Committed, monogamous homosexuality? You tell me.
As far as the Gov’t is concerned here in this life = Whoever can actually tell you what your business is and what is not. Unless you can figure out for yourself.
But the Ultimate Judge = GOD.
I believe God does, but not legally. People collectively decide for their societies what is perceived as right and wrong.
I believe that homosexuality is immoral; I do not believe, however, it is my place in society to tell a homosexual he or she cannot marry who he or she wants to. I don’t believe it’s anyone’s place to make that judgment. I think that individual churches should be allowed to decide what they want to do about it (or denominations, if it’s a structural issue), and that the court should allow marriage of gays.
As for the Christian argument, I believe that homosexuality is immoral; I also believe that lying, premarital sex, and stealing are immoral. I do all three of those; I am not any less likely to go to Hell than the common homosexual. Homosexuals are not helplessly hell-bound people while the rest of our sins are forgiveable. Remember your place, people. “Let he who has never sinned cast the first stone.”
Posted 1/8/2006 at 6:41 PM by the_Heartstring
You have it exactly right.
God bless you.
GOD DETRMINES WHO IS RIGHT AND WHO IS WRONG. HE IS OUR CREATOR. WE ARE MADE TO BE HETROSEXUAL.
God =)
Check the Science… if man were meant to be with man, and woman with woman, then there would be some kind of procreation, or some indication that it was to be so… lets think about it, shall we?
I’d say God utimately but here on earth, political leaders do….
hat to break it to you guys,but God doesn’t exist.
Only you can determine what’s right and what’s wrong. If others don’t like it, then that’s too bad. Mind your own business and let people be who they are.
Great dilemma!!
seems that once you put down a reply here
you answer the question with an answer you think is right
no matter what “reply” you gave
also at the same time, whatever other approriate answers that you did not put down are answers that you think are wrong
correct me if I’m wrong, is this solipsism?
ME! mwahahahaha!
i like to listen to others, be enlightened by others, whatever their faith or spiritual path. then i decide what is right for me.
cheers!
(i REFUSE to get into a heated debate about god. it makes my head hurt.)
oooh, but i just have to say this to XXtRaGiCkInGdOmXX:
G-O-D and anyone else who disagrees is lying to themselves!
hobos rule14, There are many things wrong iwth you if you don’t believe in God. I have no right to judge you, I just get disheartened when people talk down about my God.
Practice what you preach. If you admit you have no right to judge others, don’t say “there are many things wrong with you if you don’t believe in god” or “…and anyone else who disagrees is lying to themselves.” If there’s one thing that angers me it’s someone who’s telling me how to think.
That would be God’s job.
hmm, Deviant… mmk, I can respect that you have an opinion… however, can’t you come up with a better arguement that “Only you can determine what’s right and what’s wrong. If others don’t like it, then that’s too bad. Mind your own business and let people be who they are.”? I mean, yeah… I can use the age-old refute ” mmk, so what if I think that it is right for me to blow someone’s head off, but that someone doesn’t like that idea to much ( for obvious reasons), so who is “right” ” so, yeah… That arguement can’t stand in a court of thinking persons ( however, given the state of the courts in the U.S., maybe it could)…
GOD- He is the standard we need to live up to or else we are condemned, which is why Jesus died, to take our condemnation. Believe in Him and God view you as good, and you get to go to heaven, pretty sweet deal.
For all of you moral relativists- practice what you preach, let me think what I want to think and you think to yourself, but do not attempt to persuade anybody to agree with you, you can’t. Interestingly, most people are religious, and believe in God, so that would make the standard God, wouldn’t it? Regardless, you are absolutely wrong because the Bible says the standard for good and wrong is God himself, and since society is not God, I can actually say for a fact that you are wrong.
Not me that’s for sure.
I agree totally with On a Sill.
Just because something is natural and/or genetic, does not make it moral or right. Alcoholism is passed from one generation to the next (the suseptibility to it), but it is not right and certainly is genetic. Selfishness and having multiple sexual partners are also natural and genetic and are also not moral.
It is God who determines morals. He has given us the Bible to help us understand what his plan is. For those who do not believe in the Bible as inspired writing, he has writen his moral code in their hearts. However, many choose not to listen to God thereby siding with the Devil.
There is no such thing as god. Therefore we can do what we want. You agree with that, don’t you?
GOD
Ideally, governmental principles. In reality, the will of the people, regardless of what the principles state.
I do. Wait…that’s not right. Oh yeah, God does.
L,r
I try to live my life the way Christ wants us to. Yes, I read the bible, including the parts that say homosexuality is wrong. Along with the parts that say eating crab legs is wrong, and men growing their hair long is wrong, and women in ministry positions is wrong. What people NEED to remember is this: don’t put your faith in men, only in CHRIST! Therefore, if Jesus himself said, “do not do this . . . ” DON”T DO IT. If a man said, “don’t do this . . . ” , that is his idea. Paul wrote letters to specific churches, which are amazing reads. But he wrote those letters to specific people at specific times from a specific standpoint that included thinking Jesus would return before Paul died. You have to remember perspective when reading the bible. And what did Jesus comand us to do? “LOVE EACH OTHER.” period.
It is by NO means genetic.
God
Thanks…always glad to be agreed with
For Those Who Say An Individual Decides For Himself, I Appeal to Your System In This Way:
I have merely circumstantial evidence, but I know a few people who, when they were in high school and feeling inadequate on their own, tried different religions, or going gothic, punk, prep, anorexic, feminist, hoe, and all sorts of different things in order to figure out who they really are. They were insecure with just being themself, and needed something beyond themself (most likely God or parental love) but rather tried to find themself by assosciation or joining a movement or cause. They were searching for an identity beyond themself, and another thing that some of them tried was being gay. It is an easy assosciation to join, one may say they are gay, and automatically people assume certain things about that person, thus they have some sort of an identity for themself, besides just a face and a name. Does that make sense?
Understanding that they really did chose to be gay, the homosexuals are influencing others to make that choice, hoping that with more people like them, they can justify the guilt they feel. Nobody has to say “there is nothing wrong with feeding the poor” because nobody feels guilty about it, it is good. If people have to say “there is nothing wrong with_______” they are trying to justify their guilt, thus what they are doing is wrong. Most gay people will tell you, “there is nothing wrong with being gay.” They are trying to justify their guilt, thus they know what they are doing is wrong.
That is also why the media is making such a strong push to present marriage as stale and broken, religion as hypocritical, fathers as dead beats and losers (observe the fathers on Fox such as the Simpsons and Family Guy and pretty much any show), and gay men as idealistic- handsome, funny, well-dressed, smart, witty, and ideal for yet unattainable by women. For all those insecure teenagers who spend 6 hours a day being influenced by media like most teens, the homosexual option is quite attractive as a way to find themself. Unfortunately, the media does not point out the health risks (HIV, rectal bleeding), emotional trauma, struggles with guilt, and much higher depression rates that homosexuals face.
right and wrong/good and evil are relative. as a society, we must decide the definition of these things together in a way that allows us all to coexist peacefully. one thing that should never define right or wrong is a religion.
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nah its God definitley
society.
society.
who does decide? religious leaders and the gov.
the question should be who should decide
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i disagree its not god….
Everything is relative. Even God. Look at the Bible, God’s supposed “true spoken word.” Many of the rules and regulations that applied to early Christianity are no longer applicable today. For example, does today’s church teach that women are “dirty” during their periods? No, because humanity’s moral codes have changed since then… humans and humans alone determine the universe’s rights and wrongs.
God…no doubt. Many of you atheist and humanists need to reinvestigate you’re definition of truth. There is only one way beyond this world, (well two, but only one pleasant one) and I don’t want to miss out. It takes more faith to believe in nothing, or in ethical relativism than it does to believe the fundamental doctrines of Christianity.
God, (with a capitol “G”). The bible says homosexuality is wrong, or any type of sexuality that isn’t between 1 man and 1 woman.
Whatever the greatest entity in existance is.
Leaving most theology out of it, I guess it is up to a coordinated effort between the individual and his/her society.
There is no right without wrong, and there is no wrong without right.
So I guess the real answer is “Who knows?”
No one determines what’s right and what’s wrong. There is no true answer for what’s right and wrong. It’s all based on opinion.
The Bible says it is wrong
God. The one who made everyone and everything. Those who think other wise needs to go to church and look at all the comments others have left. I’m not that good of a Christian but I still agree that God is the one who choses whats right and whats wrong.
Nichole
Your morals decide what is right and wrong as long as you aren’t hurting anyone. It’s all in what you believe in.
It seems that our conscience is strong evidence for the existence of God. At the least, the principle that one ought not sin against one’s conscience appears to be absolute and universal. Such an absolute authority can only be attributed to an absolute, perfect will. Man certainly is disqualified from perfection. Thus it is safe to ground our absolute conscience in a divine being.
God.
Some one very close to me has stuggled with it since childhood, and he has fought it all his life. He does not want to be a homosexual. He wants a wife and kids in the future. So, having homosexual feelings is not wrong, but it becomes wrong when you fall into sin and act on those feelings. That is my explanation, but I am only a simple human. God is the only one who truely knows and really we just have to look to him!
hey, alot of people are saying God, so this is what the bible says in Leviticut 20:13… “‘If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.” so, yea, that’s my 2 cents anyways.
I would say God decides if its right or wrong.
Whoever currently has political power, of course.
i think that homoes should not be harast for who thay are some may not beabel to help it ethers may butt its not are busnis so it does’int mater ether way what we think i im not racist i dont think that anyone should be butt some people are and we can’t help it it’s just are way butt we should not be able to say the things we say to gay’s ether way that’s all i have to say
God
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Whoever it is who created us. Nobody else. Nobody here has a say in what is right or wrong down here. It’s ignorant for anyone to.
Right and wrong are variables settled upon by civilized society. Often times we can not agree, for example ABORTING a fetus. Feminists and liberals think it’s right. Fundamentalists and Christians think it’s wrong and of course the middle of the roaders aren’t sure.
Homosexuality is contrary to perpetuating the human race. Keep it in the closet where it belongs
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God didn’t have “to come down to Earth from his altar to decide” what is right and what is wrong. God IS right (As in the noun, “right”, not the state of being). If it’s not of Him, it’s wrong. The question really should be, what is of God? Honestly, with all our human tendencies towards judgement and self-righteous arguing (I’m the worst @ that), I don’t believe we can determine all of this ourselves. We only have what has been revealed to us. Ironically, there were a few things revealed in a Book whose contents spanned Europe and the Middle East. Interestingly enough, events in all countries dealt w/ a similar ”force above us” Who is still exteremely at work today. In fact, I agree Chris…I’d say “HE IS”!
In everybody’s mind, what THEY think is right. It does not matter what everybody else thinks. It’s what YOU think is correct – that is your reality. So what is “correct” is different for everybody!
Dozer Heidi no offense but your statement is incorrrect. If what is “correct” is different for everyone the government wud not run properly. Society agrees to what is wrong and what is right based upon instinct. If you feel guilt, even the slightest bit then what youre doing is supposedly wrong. it is true that we as human beings can think and determine what is right and what is wrong but is it not true that we are mani times wrong? We end up knowing that we are wrong by a man/women with a red pen. God is the ultimate judge of what is right and wrong. God does not have to jump from heaven and announce his decision in court. His thoughts already live in us which is our conscience. however be mankind seeks pleasure the quickest way possible and our mind becomes corrupt and taints our conscience.
A society determines what is right or wrong.
But then you have to look where society got its rules from? who actually said murder was wrong it dates back to the bible. and a culture which is so based on it it is impossible to get away from it.
Weather we like it or not God IS the ultimate factor in what is right or wrong because society is structured around those ideals.
9how very deep and meanful for so early on a Tuesday morning
each individual
God…but remember we are to love eachother and hate only the sins that are being commited!
God does… but what does that mean? Does “right” mean that which pleases God and “wrong” mean that which upsets God? Or are there codes of morality that exist along side of God and which God must abide by? I think my fellow Christians sometimes make God seem arbitary and tyrant-like. That having been said, I don’t see anything in the Bible against gay sex per se or even non-marital sex.