January 17, 2006
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God Part 3
The Mayor of New Orleans made a statement that was similar to Pat Robertson’s statement a while back. Pat Robertson indicated God was punishing America. The Mayor on New Orleans indicated that God was mad at America. He said, “Surely God is mad at America. He sent us hurricane after hurricane, and it’s destroyed and put stress on this country.”
The Mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin, believed that God was mad at black communities for the violence and political infighting.
Is God mad at America?
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I don’t think so. I think he’s helping us learn and grow as a society
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And no, I don’t think so.
I don’t think so. Things happen that you can’t explain, no matter how much we want to be able to explain them.
That is ridiculous. The mayor of New Orleans has entered the world of Pat Robertson and the rest of the damned 700 Club. Crazy…
Nagin is a buffoon. Simple. God is not mad at America.
well he’d have to exist for that, wouldn’t he??
He does, however, get some credit for going after fatherlessness in the black community.
God isn’t mad at us, though he would be justified if he was. He’s just trying to get our attention! 2 Chronicles 7:14 says, “if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” That is what God wants us to do, turn to him and be HEALED!
I don’t know if He’s mad at America, but he has been known to be mad before, i.e., Sodom and Gomorrah.
Who can comprehend the thoughts of God?
But His motives are clear in everything He does: to bring glory to himself,
even through catastophies.
Isaiah 45:7–He “brings prosperity and creates disaster” for his will and glory.
Naaa, its just coincidence all those things happened. Coincidence! no religious stufffffff
no i dont think so. i think it’s just his way of letting us know that everything is material and can disappear just like that. and dont take life forgranted.
I don’t know – but we’ve sure given Him enough reason to be so.
He might be. I don’t know. I have no idea what He thinks of America. I can guess, but that’s the best I can do.
God is relational. He longs for his creation to be in relationship with him. I do not believe that he orchestrates destruction on his people. Destruction and pain are just a part of this cursed world. He offers the rest from the assaults of this world. Ray Nagin and Pat Robertson are walking on shaky ground by claming to know the intents of God.
I think that’s giving Christianity a bad name. People will view God as the kind that hurls lightning bolts on innocent people
-Ko
I think God is made at liberal america…
No
Well if God’s not mad at America then clearly God isn’t paying attention to what we’re doing [and not doing] around the world. However, I don’t believe that God is punishing America – welcome to the natural world, which operates under natural laws that create natural storms.
I think God is mad at the world. and there is no such thing as coincidence.
Probably, but it is probably about Israel, and our encouraging of the Gaza pullout that week. God wants Israel in their land, and when we, as their close ally and a world power tell them move out of some of the promised land, God can’t be happy. God told Abraham, I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. Old promises are still kept by God.
Don’t know.
I think there is a difference between being mad and being really disappointed. I do not think God is hurling earthquakes, tidal waves, and hurricans at the people of the world. That would make him less than godlike.
No, He loves us.
He’s not happy with alot of choices that we make, but He doesn’t just send hurricanes to kill us when we’ve been bad.
That’s preposterous.
Nicholas
No I don’t think so.
I hope not.
I don’t think it is a matter of God being mad at America per se. Look at all of the other major disaster’s that continue to strike our world, especially places like India. Could we say the same thing about them? They seem to have earthquakes and other disaster’s that are far worse than 2 hurricanes.
Here is how I look at it. Pat Robertson continues to open his mouth and blurt things out before fully thinking of the consequences of his words. He is in the public eye and has a responsibility to say and act in a manner that is dignified and doesn’t make Christians look crazy and fanatical. Unfortunately, he continues to do this. I pretty much disregard everything that comes out of that man’s mouth as a result. People always want to point the finger and lay blame on someone or something for things that are going on around them. I don’t necessarily think that things always have to have a blame factor. Sometimes things happen becuase they were supposed to happen that way. Punishment or not. They just happen.
Who are we to say what is “godlike?” Also, I’m a conservative, but do not blame this on “Liberal America.” Their punishment is in the way their own words heap condemnation on themself. They’ll see punishment soon enough. Look at Romans 1.
Millions of babies butchered…open glorification of sodomy…I’d say the chances are up there (although God did spare Sodom and Gomorrah for a time while there was but one righteouss man in it).
no … not at all …
Everyone that tries to say god is mad at America or at liberals or conservatives or at gays, etc. just stop … A) you’re personifying God with petty emotions that humans have and B) you’re presuming to know what God “thinks,” as though you have some divine connection to a godly mind, which you don’t. We can’t even know for a fact that God exists (that’s why it’s called FAITH) so don’t begin to presume that you know exactly what god THINKS and what groups God is a little miffed at or particularly pleased with.
I have a real hard time with this type of question and the interpretations that the question discusses. I’ll attempt to explain. See – I don’t “humanize” God. I think of God as an energy – a life force, if you wish. I’m guessing that one could say that I concentrate on the Spirit part of the trilogy. (It makes more sense to me in my own mind to do this)
Since I don’t endow God with human characteristics, then it would be impossible for me to say that God has human emotions and acts on them as we would. [ I, personally, think that this is way off base. ]
For the sake of argument, I will try to humanize God.
From a practical point of view, it would seem clear to me that if God were “angry” at a person or a group of people, it would be far more effective to strike them down individually (like a bolt of lightening from above) rather than to create a hurricane and aim it at a city…. and then announce to us why he/she/it has done so.
Then there is the whole free will thing. If I understand it correctly, The Bible tells us that God has given us free will to do what we want as well as some laws to follow. It is entirely up to us what choices we make – we have all the information we need to make the correct ones. If that is true, it would fly in the face of the whole thing if he/she/it were to step in and off people with a hurricane (or with the afore-mentioned lightening bolt, for that matter).
Now that I’ve babbled in print about it….. I believe I have come to the conclusion that the hurricanes are not a sign that God is mad at America. Whether or not he/she/it is disappointed with us is another issue….but I believe that we are left to do what we will and face our own consequences of our actions.
The guy also wants to rebuild a “Chocolate New Orleans”. Stating ”That’s the way god wants it to be”. He’s a little racist, and if a white mayor had said something like that, he’d be dead by now.
To that question, I say, who are we to judge with whom God is angry and not angry? We cannot think as He can.
Just a minute… I’ll ask… Hmmm… It went to voicemail… Any of you have better luck?
no.
he’s got reason to be.
but i really don’t know if god exists or not, but if he did (OR SHE), i’m sure s/he would be.
we’ve got kids who are barely teenagers fucking and getting pregnant… doing drugs, getting drunk, and smoking… and their parents are so blind to it.
america has become, according to the documentary supersize me, the fattest and stupidest contry in the world. we have problems.
tell me that’s not worth punishment for.
–paige
Was God mad at India when the tsunami hit?
I’m more inclined to believe the scientific explanations for hurricanes, and blame the human race and Western civilization as a whole for the entire thing.
Nagan also stated that it was because America is in Iraq… I dont think Nagan knows what he means, he got uptight at Billy Grahams son for saying basically the same thing after the hurricanes…. now he (Nagan) is saying it..
I think the bottom line is.. God wants us to pay attention to what is going on. He wants us to look to HIM!!
i think it is more like a wake-up call. Cheers!
megan
Good question. I think Mayor Nagin said some good things, but went maybe a hair overboard.
You know … it is what it is … weather and accidents.
If you need to be living better, more productive, more compasionate, or more anything, well, just do it. I think when bad things happen they often cause us to take inventory, which is not a bad thing. I have no idea if there was some master design to punish anyone :~/
I do wish that Pat Robertson would just quit talking. I guess the only time I ever hear about what he has to say is when it’s stupid. Hopefully, he actually is not as stupid as he sounds.
Um…i don’t think so ^^
He’s been mad!
Look at our country….
Homosexuality, Drugs, Crime, Racism the list goes on and on.
No, I think that’s silly.
Mother Nature might be a little bent out of shape but I don’t think God is. He is the one who gave us free will, he may be dissapointed with what is happening but I don’t think He could ever be mad.
OK.. Ray Nagin has less intelligence than some of the 1st graders I deal with every day.. He is such an idiot, and is really an embarrassment! Can someone just stop putting that Man on TV?? Now, about God.. I’m sure he’s pretty upset, but that we’ll have to find out..
Have a great day, Dan! :*
Goodness…I wish they could keep these people off the air…all of them…sad….have a great day…Lee
Maybe he’s talking metaphorically.
No I don’t think so…mistakes made are lessons learned, hopefully we won’t make them twice.
Do you read everyone of your comments?
RYC: Actually, the countdown is the amount of time I have left before heading to Basic Training! We don’t have any access to the outside world either accept for letters. I will be in for 9 weeks and then AIT (job training) will be 18 weeks right after that.
Thanks though…I am getting slightly nervous! But I am sure I will be fine
i don’t think God is mad at or targeting anyone- we live in a fallen world and the consequences of that is that we are subjected to nature
Mad? No, if God was mad he’d probably smite us all like he did back during the flood. We’d all be gone. God doesn’t kill the good and leave a lot of the bad when he’s angry.
Now, SAD, that I think he is. I know he is troubled by how stubborn and self-righteous we all are. He’s probably wondering if we all got the message that his son brought us; to LOVE EACH OTHER. I wonder the same thing.
Frustrated, yes….mad, no I don’t think so. I think he’s probably troubled by what he sees, but he still wants each and everyone of us to have a relationship with him.
THIS country been called Babylon for a long time, and as http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/eminemsrevengea-post-1172.html#1172 shows you, America is klanishly reaching into the closet for its sheets again, so of course a non-European god like the one in the bible WOULD be pissed
I don’t think God operates that way. I think weather patterns are weather patterns. I agree with Ne0trix. God gave us free will for a reason. It is our choice whether we choose to love Him or not. I cannot imagine that He is infantile and child like and that He would pitch a fit b/c people don’t behave.
Erika
I think He might be. He blessed this country that was founded on Him, but this country wants no part of Him anymore.
We’ve kicked Him out of schools, and look at them now. Kids don’t even know right from wrong without the ten commandments posted.
It’s griveous.
((( GRANDMA HUGS )))
Lori
Honestly I have not one clue.
Times do seem awful dark but at the same time evil doings/persons and horrid weather have been there since the beginning just without 24 hours round the clock attention from the media.
I do believe that.
well, it is true that black city communities tends to be not-so-safe….
but god being mad at america is just total BS
He is angry at SIN. WHEREVER it is found.
I think it could be a matter of what comes around goes around. It is true that no one knows the mind of God, but it is also true that the truth will come out. The flooding was not caused by the hurricane. It was caused by a severe lack of attention to the levies. This was brought up to the city years ago, and was never payed any attention to…
and about good ole’ Ralphie…he also said that he wants New Orleans to be as it should..a “chocolate” New Orleans…just heard that one from the press conference he was at….how about thinking before we speak…what ever happened to that??
My husband and I saw him say that on TV last night. Time stood still. What are these people thinking? He also had an imaginary conversation with MLK in which MLK answered back….
maybe a bit annoyed. how we are so stupid and keep God out of schools, yet wail when something goes awry.
oops..his name is Ray…guess i should have thought about it first…lol
no no no! haha…that’s what I call a cop out way of explaining something that is natural to this earth…and the prince of this earth is Satan, so maybe it’s just his way of asserting power over God’s people, I don’t really know…but God would never hurt those that were innocent and still affected by the hurricanes
No, but maybe he’s rolling his eyes a bit at everyone saying “no, but we’ve sure given him reason to!”. Everyone even, and especially americans seem to “know” that america is evil, but never specify how. People have been brainwashed so badly…
no but it looks like a sign of the end times
No way!! I don’t believe that God causes bad stuff to happen either!!
Candy XO
If anything God is mad at religion in America. People have left the basic message of helping others and doing (and being good).
Natural disasters happen, they might be “acts of God” but saying that people had it coming because God is mad at them… well that adds insult to injury don’t you think? Whether it’s America (flood), Pakistan (quake) , Indonesia (tsunami)… sounds more like the effects of global warming than anything divinely controlled.
God is not mad at America. These events that are taking place are part of what the Bible calls signs of the end times. Regardless if one wants to believe in or not. These are signs Christians have been looking for now for some time and I believe will increase. I also believe this is just the tip of the iceberg.
In general, I’d say He’s pretty disappointed, as He is with people everywhere for choosing to be such a mess. Specifically, and enough to cause Katrina? Doubt it.
God doesn’t get mad, maybe disappointed for turning our backs on him but he isn’t mad. It looks like the mayor needs to read his bible a little more and he needs to reevaluate his life.
I’m not sure I believe in god.
But-I don’t believe he’d have to interfere—we do a pretty good job of messing things up on our own.
More like ashamed.
No.
After volunteering in New Orleans last month, I would have to say that the whole “God is punishing this wicked city” stuff is a bunch of crap. The places that were hit the hardest were the homes of poor people, churches, schools, etc. The strip clubs, transvestite bars, etc., on Bourbon Street are still very much open and running, having suffered almost no damage. If this is God’s judgment, He has pretty poor aim.
I think people say New Orleans is a “wicked” city because if you believe that the people deserved it, then it gets you off the hook and you don’t have to feel responsible for helping them. Basically, saying that God did it means God has to fix it while you buy yourself a plasma TV and relax on your couch. I don’t know whether God is angry at America. Maybe so. What I do know for sure is that Jesus said to feed the hungry and clothe the naked. So that’s what I’m going to do. He didn’t say I should figure out whether they deserved to be hungry and naked first.
If anything I would say that God is in favor of America. I would say that one reason is because of Americas support of Isreal and the amount of faithful people. Look at it this way we are rich, strong, high age of death. If God truely hated us he would wipe us off the map or destroy us like Sodem and Gemorah.
Idk exactly if he’s mad or not, but I do know that he is sad when people sin. So as long as there’s still sin in America and this world, God will still be sad …………….but I’m sure there’s more to it.
I don’t think it had anything to do with God. This is the kind of crazy thinking that makes me not want to be Christian. Judi
No, I believe that God wouldn’t punish America like that. I do think that he is almost testing us, trying to get us to realize that there is someone bigger than us. That is the reaction I had at 9/11, and everything else that has hit this country. I turn to God when previously I might have been ignoring him. It’s hard, but it determines who has a steadfast faith in him and who is just claiming to. For some their faith is stronger than ever for what they have been through. Others pity themelves and turn away from God in anger.
I think the more we try and understand God, the more we minimize Him … I think more people try to look for a reason and understand than simply trusting that He will take care of whatever needs to be taken care of. My God is faithful … I may not understand His reasonings … but He is faithful.
I think God is sad with the world! I don’t think He has a particular thing for America…that’s ridiculous. I don’t think God is punishing New Orleans or any of the surrounding areas.
Gimme a break.
if it was God’s wrath it would have been worse that a hurricane. the fact that we’re not in hell is an act of mercy.
i don’t believe God is mad, because i think that he’s just, and righteous, yet at the same time God doesn’t always hurt us, its not a thing where if God is mad he’ll try to make your life horrible, i beleive its where he allows Satan to do things to us to test our faith, and also i don’t believe He is mad because we caused these things, when God created the earth who sinned? we did, and sin is degeneration, everything must die sometime, and by sinning and sinning and sinning of course its going to make the world die out, have you ever heard of the flood?
I personally don’t believe in “God”, but if there is a god up there, this only proves why he’s an asshole if this was all his doing… Personally, I think its just the result of us letting our world go to crap. All the weather is tied into everything else, the rainforests, the ozone… everything… I think we bring these things on ourselves.
God loves us all.
Well, allow me to answer your question with another question:
If God has the power to cause such distruction, why doesn’t he use that power to help countries in need?
Do people not pay attention in first grade when they explain about the weather? It’s natural. We just got the short straw when it came to who got what disasters last year.
He’d have every right to be, but I can’t say that he actually is mad at America.
ryc: Ha very true. I disagree with you on the point that your posts don’t have much substance. Even the short ones feel like they have a meaning behind them. Your questions are always thought provoking in one way or another.
I don’t think God is as vengeful(sp?) as most people think. I don’t think he is punishing anyone.
No one can answer that but God.
sometimes mad, mostly disappointed and frustrated.
RYC—i’m SURE you are talking about MY NOT jumping on the anti-THC bandwagon!!! i rate you on a per-post basis…and HAVE NO JEALOUSLY about you dominating “featured”
IF all you wrote was crap, you’d have no audience…and how you handle all the comments SHOULD be commended
Today’s offering is only a ONE as far as i’m concerned…but most of your stuff is a THREE…so what
MY opinion is like an asshole…everyone got one, so WHY should mine stand out
Yeah, my angry Nigro routine SHOULD be tiring…but you got your audience and i got mine and SOMETIMES the twain do meet…but don’t see no reason to be joining some ANTI-Theologian crap just to “belong” to somethang
no, i think that is a silly remark. perhaps one could think that if they were super-religious, but then look at all the other countries that have it worse off than us. or, hell, even africa–a whole continent. aids, terror, etc… what would they have ever done to “anger god?” sometimes things just happen. plus the fact that the earth is suffering from extreme global warming doesn’t help the situation. air currents and their temperatures are what is causing hte frequency and severity of the hurricanes.
RYC: ryan seacrest and stephen cojocaru were commentating the fashion on the red carpet for the golden globes. =D
He’s probably mad at people in america, but I don’t think he’s mad at america in general. Maybe New Orleans. Obviously not Amarillo, because we’ve NEVER gotten a hurricane. Neither has North Dakota. I guess they aren’t mad at us, since we don’t have hurricanes? That’s the most riduculous thing I’ve ever heard. Even if God WAS mad at America, I don’t think that’s how he’d punish them.
No…. God is not vindictive. He may be trying to give us a wake up call…. but tragedy is a result of a sinful world…not the judgement of God.
And when the world does feel God’s wrath, this will seem like nothing.
God is pissed at everyone, because we’re all moronic. But he doesn’t send natural disasters to punish us 1) because he made a new covenant in the New Testament and 2) God is not a vengeful little brat.
I made a HUGE ass post about this previously.
(On and people…Soddom and Gamorrah was in the OLD Testament, before the NEW covenant was made through Jesus’ blood. Read your Bibles, please. I’m not even a Christian and I know this stuff).
i don’t think God is particularly mad at us…just kinda a nudge to wake us up a little.
I think it’s dangerous to say “God is mad at [certain country]” first and foremost because who knows what God thinks (or if there is one)? How can you, a mortal, claim to know the mind of God? Secondly, because there are sinners in EVERY country, and good people in EVERY country. No one country is subject to God’s wrath.
Very ethnocentric question, by the way.
Interesting post.
I know you usually don’t take suggestions for questions, but I have one:
“Do you believe in life after death?”
I don’t know. But I think he’s mad at me.
I believe God has ways of showing HE is still in control of ALL things, despite the number of people who have pushed him out of their lives and society! God never changes, He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
I doubt He’s real happy with America, but also doubt He’s sending natural disasters to say so.
Ray Nagin is an idiot.
He is also proclaiming that he wants a “Chocolate New Orleans” (read: all-black city) which obviously means that he’s all for racial segregation, which in turn means that he is definitely a bit old-fashioned and not in a good way.
Sounds like a lot of people have no idea what the wrath of God looks like.
God isn’t mad at us – yet. I imagine that He would very much like to see us mend our sinful ways though.
If He punished us every time we upset Him, there wouldn’t be anything left of us by now.
L,r
i didnt think god got angry.
can god get angry?
Is that the guy who said that New Orleans was going to be an “African American” place because they didn’t want any Mexican workers there? Cause if it is, then why would anyone listen to that guy anyway, cause he’s a moron!
No more so then he’s mad at every other country.
We live in a fallen world that groans under the weight of sin. Our fallen nature results in things such as hurricanes. But God promises in Romans to “work all things for the good of those who are called according to His purpose.”
Besides, the fact is that we deserve SOOO much worse than a few hurricanes. We have committed the greatest offense ever, and yet God has seen fit to bestow grace on us…and even offer us the opportunity for forgivness, reconciliation and eternal life with Him. What we DESERVE, though, is His fierce wrath.
We had a mission from my church help rebuild part of N.O.’s … and they reported back to the church. They made an interesting comment: “We, as a group, do not believe that God was punishing America, or this region, because the sinful areas of New Orleans have opened up and are in full service.”
I believe that He might have been merely testing the faithful, if that. Or just letting nature take it’s course.
*A*
if he’s mad at the U.S., then he must be mad at the asian countries that also were devastated with hurricanes. along with the eastern asian countries who’s bird flu epidemic has killed many. he must be REALLY mad at the carribean considering they get 20 times worse hurricanes then the U.S. so no, he’s not mad at us.
I hope not, but I won’t be surprised. I read Jeremiah 5 this morning. Although the immediate context is not about us, we are too close to the description.
Well, if sin angers God, then God has plenty of reason to be mad at America, now doesn’t He? I think He is using these events to try to catch our attention.
God is mad at anyone who is sinning. Jay Leno put it best when he said “With all these natural disasters, do you really think NOW is the time to take God out of the pledge of allegiance?”
My God is not a vengeful God. He may have thrown obstacles for us to overcome but it was not punishment.
I don’t think so. Natural disasters happen all the time all over the world.
We can speculate. And we don’t have to speculate about what pleases and displeases him, as we have His Word. But no one can know the mind of God, and say, “He did this b/c of such and such.”
God gets mad probably. But He still loves us.
Ohh, yes he is.
No. Stuff happens. It doesn’t mean that God is out to get you. An example:
If you, Dan, are walking down the stree tomorrow and someone comes up and shoots you – would we blame that action on the murderer or on God? I think most people would blame the action on the murderer. I think it would be very unlikely for someone to say “Dan was murdered as an act of vengeance from God because he did something really bad.”
That is the same theory I apply to natural disasters. They are random to some extent. They are controlled by the laws of physics and the natural universe. God has as much power to stop them as he would have to stop your murderer in the above scenario.
Who knows why he doesnt? I don’t, but I don’t think it’s to punish.
When I said stree I meant street.
My bad.
yess
If God knows all, I doubt he would be mad. Every disaster is merely a test for humanity.
God isn’t to blame for what’s happened to America.
Yes, of course He is angry at America. The Bible says that He is angry at the wicked every day. A righteous and loving God must experience anger at the sin that so harms both individual people and groups of people. That, however, does NOT mean that He sent us hurricanes out of His anger. Maybe He did, maybe not. We don’t have any way of measuring the balance between God’s overall sovereignty and God’s specific intervention. Did He send the hurricane(s) by specific intervention in the natural course of events? We may never know. That said, let us not forget that anger does not negate love. The Lord is a God whose very nature is love, and His love includes those who do evil (phew… ’cause that’s been me far too often).
possibly. who can answer?
God isn’t mad, but He is heartbroken. As a nation we have turned our backs on God so many times that I believe we have lost His blessing and His protection. II Chron 7:14
of course not, although he has plenty reason to be, i agree with msboo God wants us to learn and grow from these tragic events, grow stronger in our faith, hope for the future and love for one another…
I don’t exactly buy the whole angry deity = natural disasters bit. Whether or not God is mad at America, I couldn’t say, but I doubt He’d be sending hurricanes to teach us a lesson.
No. … I think he’s disappointed just like when he destroyed it the last time and then with the deluge came new beginnings…….
why was noah chosen to survive. He heeded the warning
some believe that the world is in the last days
that in the last days that’s what we’ll see increasing world disasters
I don’t think God is mad at all. Anger is a human reaction that we project on to God. I recently posted a question on my blog asking if it was possible to know the mind of God. I don’t think it is. So I may be wrong about God being angry but I would rather think of God as compassionate and loving and, well, so far above our conceptions that it’s kind of silly to think we know anything about God. The truth is there’s just too much we don’t know to state anything about God with 100% certainty. God is Love is the statement I most agree with.
What if God had nothing to do with natural disasters?
*has*
I do find it a little scary that people that think they do know the mind of God are in charge of our cities and nation. Did I hear someone say Bush?
If He’s mad, it’s at the shameless stupidity of certain members of the human race.
Well thats a tough one, but I would say since I beileve God is love, than logically no he is not mad at america, i believe god allows trials and tragedy to occur to allow us to grow, remember … the shadow proves the sunshine.
I think God is dissapointed at the entire world…
New Day has it right on the dot…according to me and the spirit which lives in me and was moved most by New Day’s reply to this question. Only good things come from God…you can’t say that those hurricanes didn’t wake up the Christian community…you can’t say how God is feeling…but he mostly loves us and guides us into holy lives and obedience to him…Look how many people pulled together to help the victims and the same with 9/11. Well….actually this is america and you can say I am wrong…but I stand firm in my faith…God Bless!!
Hmm,
After Noah God promised that he would never destroy the world in a flood again. While obviously not the same, i just have to think that He didn’t do it, at least not out of anger. Of course, there’s always the old adage that what God allows, He does. Obviously God did it, but for what reason? Who knows?
i would say…. absolutly not! because the end times are coming so soon, and there is so much junk in the world, which was prophesied, so, the whole world is like America in a way, out of control. But i think that God is just sad that the world ever got to this
Of course not. He does realize though that we need to help ourselves. The disaster was unavoidable. The chaos afterward was.
God may disapprove at our actions, but I do not think he is mad. I certainly do not think that the hurricanes that have hit the US – which have also hit the carribean and latin America – are a punishment from God. God lets us sin and then live with the results of our sins.
I highly doubt it. I’m not one to say who God is mad at, for the main reason that a well known asshole lives in my state that frequently picketts saying God Hates America, Santa is a Fag and other such things and I’m tired of people using God to convey their own thoughts, they all need to get a life and say their thoughts without trying to give them reason with divinity.
Eva.
Somehow I don’t think that God’s feelings can be summed up in such a trite phrase as “mad.”
Would you be mad if I simply suggested there is no God?
I was in Vegas this past weekend. I kept thinking “If natural disasters really were God trying to express his dissappointment with people in certain areas, why has Vegas not been hit?!?”
Whenever someone tries to bring in this kind of reasoning, that Katrina, or 9/11, or whatever other disaster is being talked about at the moment, happened b/c “God is mad at _____” I immediately discount the person as a jackass. It just seems like sucha ridiculous notion to me. If you’re really gonna try to go there, tell me why God would hurt so many of the innocent people in those areas, so many of his own followers, when he could easily strike only those he chose with a horrible desease?
No!
I wouldn’t say God is mad at America, because not all of the tragedies in the last year have occurred in this country. I would say that God and Mother Nature teamed up to shake up the world. Or maybe it’s just population control.
no he is just helping us to grow hes teaching us lessons
No, God does everything within reason. He does these things, like hurricanes, not to show his wrath, but to test our faith. God isn’t mad at America, but he might certainly be disappointed with our behavior.
I think that New Orleans mayor is full of SHIT! He annoys the crap out of me and whenever his term is up I hope whoever the citizens of New Orleans are figure that out and get him out of office. He’s not done the best job with his city at this time. I won’t rant on your page though.
I don’t believe that there is a god, so I would have to say no. But I do believe that it’s because of global warming…
Srry this is soo late, and i really hope you get it. Im not sure if anyone has pointed this out, but if you look at where the hurricane hit and where it didnt, i think it disproves the theory that God is mad at America. One of the greatest arguments people have made is that God was punishing New Orleans for all the sexual impurities along with violence and all other faults. BUT if you actually look at what places were struck, you will notice that one of the most untouched areas is Bourbon Street, even during the storm, there were a bars open. SO, obviously if God was “mad” at America he wouldnt have let that survive.
The Bible says there will be no more new prophets (after the Old Testament) until the Messiah comes. So… I don’t believe Robertson is a prophet. Therefore, I do not believe his hogwash, any time, any place, on any subject. The man is a glory-seeking nutjob.
God is slow to anger, if he is mad, he is sure being merciful to us.
I believe God is mad at Sin in general…
some americans, but God knows us better than just our nationality.
I used to think Ray Nagin was a radical guy… but I think he’s gone absolutely psycho.
oooh, can’t say. i don’t know what’s in god’s mind. i do like to believe that nature and mother earth has it’s ways of telling us things, so there might be something there. it might not be even targeted at black communities, but a message to the government and to society at large that something needs to be done to heal these people.
God isnt mad at America. No one knows the plans, but God lets trials happen. To strengthen us, to build us up, to allow us to pull together.
flutesmytoot is right. God is not “mad” at America. Only God knows what he’s doing.
Picture a quilt. The bottom of it. You see threads twisted knotted and cut. Then you flip it over. You see a beautiful work of art.
I can’t presume to know the thoughts of God. I feel humbled and small even thinking about that.
I would suspect that God feels the same about the United States as He does for all the other countries. I also don’t believe that events like hurricanes are examples of God punishing us. If He was to punish us for the sin we do, EVERY day would have a hurricane smashing into us.
I am convinced that God does not like the sin and violence of the cities of this world. God will allow natural disasters to occur, especially as the end of time nears the disasters will increase, I think. But He is waiting: the Bible says that He is giving everyone a chance to change their ways. Eventually people will have made their choices, and then the end will come, and either you will obey God or disobey. Is there anyone who really thinks that the things the Bible calls sins agains other people in the ten commandents ( murder, stealing, adultery, lying, covetousness, disrespect of authority) are a good thing? Think it through: wouldn’t everyone be better if the commandments of God were kept by everyone. A world with no stealing, murders, lying, adulteries, etc., seems like a much better world to me than the way things are going these days. But the only place we will find that is in heaven….
Pat Robertson…
Who listens to that idiot? In all honesty, It’s natural. You can’t control something as bad as the hurricane. Is there anyway God can tell Pat Robertson to shut the hell up? That would make my day.
Nagin, what an idiot. He’s just declining when it comes to intelligence
We have talked about this a lot in our Bible class discussions at school. We (the original idea came from a few prophetics in a class) feel that God is trying to shake the Christian body to start acting like Christ and seeking after him. We also agree that the hurricane was sent to punish New Orleans. We all felt that it had several meanings
Personally, I am appalled by Pat Robertsons statement. God is by no means punishing America! He is a loving God. Pat Robertson gives all Christians a bad name. To say God is mad at America….Its just wrong.
God is definitley not happy with America, a nation once built around God’s word. America has turned her back on God, But I don’t believe he is punishing us. The end times are here and things are happening. The weather is changing and the seasons are not what they should be. Sin has brought on aids not God punishing the homosexuals. The signs are everywhere.
Cripes, another politician taking arrogance to another low. Assuming he knows the intentions of God. Boring. And stupid.
Nature happens. You live in hurricane land, you get hurricanes. I get snow. I don’t blame God because I live where it snow.
no,
“Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar before the throne. The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of the saints, went up before God from the angel’s hand. Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake.”
Look back through history and look at all the great nations that have ruled this world. America is in the same stages of life as the Romans, Greeks, Mongols and others before they fell. Is God mad at us? Maybe just a little.
Yeah. Right, God is this big angry omnipotent father with nothing better to do than torment his children. He must have also really hated Southeast Asians when he threw that tsunami at them killing over 200,000.
I think a way better explanation is that life is random. Weather is not god manipulated it’s more of a time space gravity thing.
I’m not quite sure He’s mad. I think He’s probably more disappointed in us.
The clergy seriously needs to STOP telling us what God is thinking.
God doesn’t work like that. Every city, town or whatever has sin in it. It doesn’t matter the size of the sin because God looks at all sin as the same. What makes New orleans more worthy of punishment but not lakeland, georgia??
People know that God is the God of mercy and grace…but forget He is most certainly the God of wrath. I think He is upset that humanity looks for love in all the wrong places.
“if jesus christ came back today and saw what was being done in his name, he’d never stop throwing up.” if jesus is sick with us, God is pissed the hell off and sending down the fury.
if i were God, i’d be mad at America. but i’d punish the truly wicked…robertson, bush, cheney, and now nagin.
and i really liked that nagin guy too. what a shame.
“A CHOCOLATE NEW ORLEANS!” can you imagine how crazy that would be?!?
As crazy as it sounds, I think it is possible that Hurricane Katrina was punishment from God. In the Bible and in the Quran, God punished communities in the past for their sins. He destroyed the people of Lot and the people of Noah, among others. God does not change His ways. If people commit the same sins as they did in the past, He will punish them the way He did in the past. Homosexuality, adultery, and alcoholism are serious sins and we should expect God to take them seriously.
I know scientifically it doesn’t make sense to say that God causes hurricanes. Meteorologists would say that hurricanes have to do with air pressure, water temperature, and wind speeds. But science can only go so far to answer the question of why. Eventually, there has to be a First Cause for things and that First Cause is God.
Who really knows…..well except God….L
iDK I HATE TO BE the really conservitive view guy but he did strike down babalyon and egypt and other great nations
who knows? ask God
God knows that.
God being mad at America and sending hurricanes and other disasters? That’s a bunch of crap. God may ALLOW things to happen, but why would he purposely send a disaster that would most likely injure or kill people? He loves us! Granted, a lot of America totally deserves His wrath, but to send a hurricane that would kill people–including His own children is not how He works.
Whoever says that stuff needs to take a closer look at the bible.
if God is going to be mad at anyone, id think it would be us. still, we dont know one way or the other. If you read Revelations, God’s going to come back some day and open up a divine can of whoop-ass on the entire world. Also, lets not forget the great flood of Genesis, the plauges, an earthquake here and there. God’s obviously not afraid to use nature to get his point across, but that doesnt mean every big natural disaster is a punishment. Theres probably all sorts of storm tracking charts and satellite data to explain why Katrina hit New Orleans, and some kind of structural analysis could show us a logical reason for why the levees collapsed. Could all of these factors coming together be more than a coincidence? Could this be an act of God? Absolutely. Could it be just one hurricane of many in a busy hurricane season that struck a city shaped like a bowl and just happened to cause horrific damage? Of course. There is but ONE God, and chances are, you’re not him. So stop pretending that you know the reason behind everything. Nagin was wrong, as were all the people who said he was an idiot for even thinking that way. So, unless you have a copy of Gods personal who-to-smite list, do us all a favor and SHUT UP
God is broken hearted over America…..I don’t think He’s MAD as we human’s understand mad. Judgement will come but I don’t think it will be in the form of a hurricane!!
i lost a lot of respect for christianity after i heard a number of them claim the reason for the holocaust was charles darwin’s theory of evolution. come on people – get off your high horse. not everyone who disagrees with you is out to end the world.
If you step back and look at what America is doing I think you will find it hard to come up with a reason why God shouldn’t be angry with us; however I believe that God is never angry with you only with your actions. Hint, hint.
(I know I said I was leaving but you just have so many interesting questions!)
Of course there is the hwole subject of racism.
Okay. I had a teacher of mine, she wsa the one originally telling me the quote, that maybe he meant “milk” chocolate. A true blending of people. But that’s not what Ray says…
“This city will be a majority African-American city. It’s the way God wants it to be. You can’t have New Orleans no other way; it wouldn’t be New Orleans. So before I get into too much more trouble, I’m just going to tell you in my closing conversation with Dr. King, he said…” he goes on to make up some more King quotes.
so what if God is mad at people on earth. he does whatever he wants. we need to stop discussing God publicy he might not like it. well im an idiot i dont really know maybe i should find him and meet him and ask him
I spent quite a bit of time studying the problem of evil –why bad things happen to people. One of the quandaries of this problem involves natural disasters. I tend to agree with C.S. Lewis’s opinion on the matter (Read it in his book The Problem of Pain). He explains that when Adam and Eve fell from God, the earth that was in their dominion also fell from God. The earth cries out for God and yearns for him just like we do. If you recall Jesus spoke that the rocks would cry out etc. The earth is not in it’s perfect form and will once again be made new. Until that time it is unbalanced and natural disasters occur.
On a side note, we also forget sometimes that we have responsibility in disaster as well. Humans moved to New Orleans and built there, humans rerouted the river so that there is less wetland and delta for extra water to go to, humans built the levees wrong so that they broke, humans held up the funding for the improvement and update of the levees in a political circus for over 30 years, and humans failed each other when the rescue efforts to save my fellow New Orleanians was unmercilessly slow and inadequate. The rebuilding and support is still inadequate. Let us not forget our personal relationships with God, mold our personal decision making and ultimately our action in the group as a whole. We are responsible for our actions and should not use God as a scapegoat for the misery that we bring upon ourselves and others.
Like him or love him, Nagin is still the mayor and leader for New Orleans. Pray for him that he will make good decisions and not circum to the history of corruption and politics that have been here before him. Believe it or not he is refreshing compared to the last mayor (and the ones before him) who let the levees rot away.
If it were punishment, why would he not go after more sinful places in America? New Orleans is one of the poorist places in our country, why not knock out people like ENRON and the oil companies and all the crooks that will continue to exist in our free market?
I would suspect that god is absolutely not concerned with America, or anything else on that level on this planet.
As you probably know, God is a God of Justice and Love. He balances out the two. Remember, the bible states that we will reap what we sow, unless we repent; and still we might still reap to destruction.
I guess I would ask myself: “Is God pleased with me and my actions?, and how is my relationship with His Son, Jesus Christ?”
Becker
Okay so I don’t think God is mad at america, God doesn’t get mad, but he judges. He had judged countless people and places in the bible and I believe that because God never changes that he can still judge the people of earth. He controls ALL things. “Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that had been made…” The huricanes and earthquakes are all created by God for His purposes whether they are for judgement or just simply because He’s allowed them to happen.