January 17, 2006

Comments (154)

  • I mean, why just becuase he admits it should we forgive him. Since the use was the reason he had the record to get into the Hall of Fame.

  • It’s like removing from the Bible David’s psalms he wrote before his ery with Bathsheba.

  • Top 3!!!

    Hall of Fame?  They should be disqualified I would think.  The Hall of Fame is for people who excelled not only in their athletic achievements but also made good on their character issues.

  • Yes.

    Nicholas

  • Nerts, I just didn’t type fast enough when there was only two.  Poop.

  • yes. but even if they werent, i think they’d find the hall surprisinly unsatisfying.

  • yeah, because it gave them some extra talent that they didn’t exactly deserve

  • I think so. It’s against the rules. We need to follow those once in a while.

  • The stuff is illegall!  Yes!  Keep them out.

  • I believe so. If you are caught cheating in order to improve your performance, it casts doubt over the whole of your performance!

  • i agree with jamLAMB guy… YES!

  • btw: did you get that virus thing taken care of? i see i wasn’t re-directed there this time..

  • umm yeah. they cheated. their fault. the end.

  • Noooo. who cares if they use steroids…..Let them, its THEIR body

  • depending on wether he used the roids before or after. but i think most likely yes either way. thats a cheap way to steal something from someone who actually deserves it

  • Yes…they’re cheating their way in…how can that be allowed?

  • yes, because it is against the rules.

  • Yes, who wants a role model like that?

  • Yes, it’s cheating and breaking the law.

  • Yes…it is illegal first off…and now it is a bannable offense.

  • Yes…it is illegal first off…and now it is a bannable offense.

  • No, because take Barry Bonds or Mark McGwire for instance.  Yes they may have taken banned substances, but they still outperformed their peers in a remarkable way.  I think one of the things I have noticed by the players caught by MLB this past year is that a lot of marginal players are on steroids.  So if steroids really aid that much, why are these players still struggling.  Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, and any others that did or might have taken steroids still had to go out and use hand eye coordination to hit the ball and hit it at the right trajectory.

    Should a player that gets lasix eye surgery to improve their vision (i.e. David Delluci), thus improving their ability to see the ball and increasing their plate discipline, resulting in a spark in batting average and on base percentage, be categorized a cheater much like a steroid user?

  • Yes. Mainly because they got there by unfair means.

    Eva.

  • Yes. They didn’t win fair and square!

  • Dan, thanks for patiently explaining how to see the protected post about getting on Featured. It turns out the problem was: I wasn’t signed in when I was looking for it.

  • duuuh… because it wasn’t really THEM beforming, it was the DRUGS

  • Unless he started using them after he got the award….?

  • yes. it’s wrong.

  • Yes.  Real players, don’t need steroids.

  • i think there should be a mention of use of steroids

  • it depends on the sport… if they are competing in the sport of the ephemeral ego, it would be ok.

  • Yes. They used a self destructive substance to get better

  • I agree, the Hall of Fame should not only reflect athletic prowess, but strength of character.

  • yes

  • That depends.  :o )

  • yes.  it’s cheating

  • Yeah, because it promotes screwing up your body for the rest of your life just for that one award.  It’s not based on training and talent, but on chemical cheating.

  • Nah, lets just send everyone the message that cheating is ok. The ends justify the means right?

    I’m kidding. They should be taken from the hall of fame. If they are still playing, they should be fired, would you get fired if you got caught high on drugs at your job? I don’t care if it is “just steroids,” they’re still illegal. Why the special treatment?

  • yeah, cuz they CHEATED! that ain’t fair for those who got into the hall of fame without any drugs. they worked so hard to pump all that iron just to be famous while the fool who used steroids just had to pop some pills. heeeeeell no.

  • Yes it’s not fair to the honest players.  I think that there should be more standards as far a drug testing then there are now.  Every player should be tested by a third party before every game.  If drugs are found they should be banned from playing for at least month.  They shouldn’t get paid for there time off either.  There has got to be standards.

  • And last time I checked, laser eye surgery isn’t, ummm, illegal. Sorry wisdomfromtodd, the law is the law, and it should be the same for everyone. Especially prominant public figures, I mean, kids idolize these guys. What is the message we are sending them?

  • Of course. If they don’t people would use steriods all the time to get to the Hall of Fame.

  • you know…steroids are not only wrong…they screw your body up in ways that Science doesn’t even fully understand yet.

    and no, they should not be allowed into the hall of fame

    the hall of fame should be a place not only for great athletes

    but for great people

    -Chris

  • to wisdomfromtodd:

    “Should a player that gets lasix eye surgery to improve their vision (i.e. David Delluci), thus improving their ability to see the ball and increasing their plate discipline, resulting in a spark in batting average and on base percentage, be categorized a cheater much like a steroid user?”

    that’s an interesting argument! but the difference with steroids is that i’m assuming all other things are equal, or at least somewhat similar, such as vision for instance. everything else is supposed to be based on your own physical/ athletic abilities. if all atheletes took steroids, that’d be different.

  • Yes, he cheated and that should not be allowed. However, it would suck to get into the hall of fame then be kicked out. Talk about a shame…

  • I say he shouldn’t, because steroid use is incredibly prevalent and if that player is disqualified, every player should be disqualified.

    Ok fine, most.

    It’s up to the player to decide whether or not he wants to deal with the medical problems that are going to result later.

    We only have one life (I’m sure of it) and if we can immortalize ourselves through any modes, by jingo I say we do it.

    It doesn’t matter who it is.

  • Yes.  It ruins the integrity of the game.  Steroids are illegal substances, so why should the accomplishments that they achieve while using them count?  Say one player does not take steriods, and hits 64 home runs in a season.  But say one player on steroids hits 79 home runs in a season.  64 is incredible, if you compare it with the times of Roger Marris and Babe Ruth.  But has the bar really been raised in this day and age by the players, or the steroids?  Because you can not measure to a certain capacity how much the steroids helped the player, I don’t think you have enough evidence to deny them a record.  But knowing that they did something illegal when they set a record should at least be noted when taking into account who should be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

  • yes

  • Without a doubt.

  • Of course they should be disqualified! If we let people who used steriods into the hall of fame we would just be ripping up all the record books of the past. They game is destroyed, it is no longer how well the athelete can play, its not about how much he can pump into his body. Just because an athelete admitts to using steriods doesnt nullify the fact that he used them in the first place! If you commit murder and admit to it you arent let off the hook, you are still punished! Yes, your honesty is rewarded, but it doesnt justify the act!

  • should an a drug using employee be banned from being Employee of the Month? yes

  • I have a better question.
    Should congress waste any more time on baseball related crap?

  • Yes, it’s cheating. Students who plagarize shouldn’t graduate, politicians who steal votes shouldn’t stay in power, and athletes who use banned performance-enhancing drugs shouldn’t be rewarded for their dishonesty. Period.

  • It’s my birthday!  …and who cares?!?

  • RYC:  I guess we are all stalkers then if that is the definition of one.  I don’t mind a bit if people drop by and don’t leave a comment.  It’s all public isn’t it?  ::grin::

  • Yup.

  • Yes.  The Hall of Fame should be for those who earned it honestly. 

  • im going for the yes on this one.

  • Only if the use of steroids was made illicit by his sport while he was still using. If they weren’t a violation of his sport’s rules while he was using them, then it should have no bearing on his HoF standing.

    We’re talking about McGwire, aren’t we?

  • i thinl steroid abuse is so out of control right now that players are almost forced to take them. it’s really the only way to level the playing field. unlesss there’s consistant testing (like weekly), there’s no way it can be controlled.

    Shoudl a player who aadmits taking steroids be disqualified? Yes…But what about the loads of players that are already in the hall of fame who were abusers? It’s really messed up.

  • well, you could use sterroids every game until your very last, confess, apologize, and be in the hall

  • eh i don’t really think so. whatever he did to do it, he did it i guess, maybe he’ll die early from it or something, that’s his problem lol. and anyways if he admitted it to the general public, sure he made the hall of fame, but can he really be seen to himself and to everyone else as someone trully honorable?

  • even still, they could cheat on the piss test. if there’s a will, there’s a way. they need to stiffen the punishment. for example, the penalty for drunk driving in some south/central american county is death. guess how many people have been caught driving drunk since? 1.

  • Yes. It’s cheating.

  • I believe the player should be removed from the Hall of Fame only if his steroid use helped him achieved his fame. Odds are that this is the case, but perhaps he started using steroids after he had already been admitted? I guess I would need to know more about the case before I made a call.

  • Yes, I believe so. They should get into the Hall of Fame on their own [original] strengths and achievements.
    God bless,
    Shohna

  • Yes. It’s illegal.
    Plus, gives an unfair advantage to those who DON’T use steroids, and should earn their right by HARD WORK and NO CHEATING to the Hall of Fame!!!

    (Sorry I’ve been MIA lol, school is starting for me tomorrow ;) )

    ciao,
    ~*~*Malorie~*~*

  • I think so yes.

  • Yes indeed. That person is only in the Hall of Fame because they cheated. Away with them!

  • i don’t get how joe schmoe could go to jail for using but jose canseco writes a book about using and never has anything happen to him, i know many people who have used and i think they are great help for medical reasons, like a firend who broke a leg…

  • If they want to abuse their body, let them.

  • Disqualified as in ‘erased from’ or as in ‘not allowed into’ ? I’d vote ‘not allowed into’…

  • YEs, responsibility means taking the consequence for the action…it does not imply forgiveness…

    AS a Christian, we do have forgiveness because of God’s love, because CHRIST ATONE for us…

    to that i am grateful

  • if they used them during the time they won then yes.. cheating is cheating.. if you cant do it on your own you dont deserve the reward

  • The problem with today’s system is that there are some many loopholes in the system that any player can take a steroid and not get caught. A better question to ask about steriods is: Is the use a steriods such a prevelant problem that the player’s union feels the need to hide the fact that players are using steriods and if so what should be done about punishing the player’s union, the doctors who provide the steroids, as well as the player. It is not fair just to punish the person using the steroids. We dont just go after heroin addicts but the dealers as well.

  • Yes and then hanged.

  • That angel thing got me thinking. I wish I was a high level marketing exec at an auto company and I knew the woman who saw the angel driving away because maybe I could get her to confirm that he was driving one of our car models and I could incorporate the incident into an advertising campaign, something like: “Choose Mercury Topaz; if it’s good enough for God, it’s good enough for you.” and “Don’t forget to check out our heavenly financing options”.

  • Yes, It is not a fair competition if they use and another player does not. It also sets a terrible example for kids and despite what Charles Barkley says sports figures should be role models.

  • yes

  • No, that’s cheating

  • They certainly don’t qualify … they enhanced their bodies illegally … not fair to those who did it the old fashioned way …

  • I think it depends on the frequency and the amount that he used. Like..if he used for one year, and then quit, and admitted his mistake AND agrees that it was a mistake, and he did a good job playing whatever sport even when he wasn’t using, I think it’s okay. At the same time, though, it would be a little bit wrong to put someone that did use drugs to become great on a pedestal to be a role model for our children.

    Okay, I don’t know.

  • don’t we have enough to start a “steroid users hall of fame?”…

  • I think they should be prohibited from the hall of fame. Players inducted into the hall of fame are these great shining examples to younger children in sports…what are we supposed to say, your hero can use steroids but if you ever touch them your in big trouble? I would think that making it to the hall of fame would be a great honor that the players would not want to tarnish by cheating with steroids anyway.

  • RYC: I’ll just be your ghost coming back to haunt us. OINK!

  • As long as they were considered illegal, yes.  Here’s why:  if everyone was using steroids, then everyone is competing with the same advantages (though admittedly with horrible long-term effects, but that’s up to them).  If they still show Hall-of-Fame worthy statistics over their peers, then by all means they should be in.  But, as has been the case for the last few decades, when it is illegal to use steroids, steroid users have an advantage over non-users, meaning their candidacy for the HOF is tainted. 

  • yes, and automatically admitted to the “hall of shame”

  • Yes! Steroids is cheating- cheaters should not be forever cherished in a hall of fame!

  • yes when there are those that have accomplished great things without the use of steroids…

  • Frankly, it depends. Was it the “norm” when they used?  Was it “banned” during their use?  If so, yes.  They didn’t play by the rules.

  • in my opinion yes….cause they didn’t earn that place soely by their own power.

  • Naw … it’s too late now … they just need to regulate it better!

  • hmm, I say for right now yes, just because it’s illegal. If it were legal, then no.

  • why do I have to sign in twice to comment?

  • if it can be proven that all the other athletes in the hall of fame are steroid free… then yeah, but anymore, it’s kind of hard to tell.

  • Hey there, Mr. Loaded Question….I’m going to say that anyone who is already in the hall of fame (McGuire comes to mind) stays there. Anyone caught or admits to steroid use still playing is disqualified. That means you, Palmeiro.

  • No! I agree with ^dpl^

  • Ya he should becuase it is cheating

  • yes

  • Yes!  Rewarding cheaters only reinforces the behavior…

  • hmm.. tough question

  • Heck yes, because their performance – which got them into the hall of fame – is/was enhanced in an illegal and unfair manner.

  • Steriods made it possible for him to get in in the first place.  It is also cheating, we should not glorify cheating of any type.  Its wrong and they should be removed.  Maybe make a cheaters hall of fame or something???

  • As long as he didn’t use the steroids for the majority of his proffesional career or used it to win a major game. As long as he understood it was wrong, and regretted it very much, and tell other people about his mistake. Steroids for improving your sports is wrong, and cheating!

  • Yes I believe they should be disqualified. Sports are about training yourself, naturally not artificially.

    Pesky

  • Yes. I say because they got there by cheating, lying, they shouldn’t be honoured.

    Politicians, on the other hand….

  • It depends when they statrted.

  • Yes, although there is some grey area depending on when they started using them, but ultimately yes since it is akin to cheating.

  • yes, either way they did take steroids so yea.

  • That depends on the attitude towards steroids in his day, among other things. In general, yes.

  • hi  wat is ur name my name is moe

  • No, Barry Bonds does NOT deserve to be in the HOF!

  • HPM.

    - OG TONY KEEPIN IT REAL

  • should a transsexual get prejudiced thoughts of remarks in a bystander’s mind even tho the predator has not spoken?

  • tough one…… i’m gonna say………no?

  • then again, it is cheating…. so i change my answer.

    YES!!

  • yes

  • Definitely, that player’s game wasn’t real it was enhanced.

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