August 20, 2006
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Crucifix
I was reading on the herald sun about a crucifix controversy. A crucifix was banned by Sunbury Downs Secondary College. The school had banned the wearing of visible jewelry from all of the students. But a young lady has said that it has stopped her from exercising her religion. She was in the habit of wearing a crucifix as jewelry.
Her father has said that “She has a right to wear it. I believe it is discriminatory. If we had a Muslim girl come wearing a head scarf, nobody would say `boo’ about it.”
Do we tend to be more sensitive in our country to other religions than we do Christianity?
Comments (173)
yup…but than again im christian…so its justifiable to me
no
3 or 4?
the young girl should then make it not visible if it is so important
wee!
no.
I think so. Tolerance applies to everything but Christianity…
We’re too sensitive about everything in this country. (including me)
No.
It was jewelry. This is a case of people using their religion to get the better of others.
A head dress isn’t jewelry. It’s also part of the religion. You MUST wear it under certain circumstances.
You don’t have to wear a rosary.
I wish schools would concern themselves with teaching and not worry about what people are wearing.
No.
sensitive is a difficult word. we pay attention to their rights, but the country was founded on Christianity, and it’s a permanent part of the culture. I think that for the most part, there’s a good balance.
I don’t follow, really, Dan, where your question comes from since it doesn’t follow from the story above. The crucifix itself is not banned but all visible jewelry. I have Jewish friends who wear the Star of David on their necklace. How does this one girl raise the question that we may or may not be more sensitive to other religions rather than to Christianity in our nation? I’d like to see a debate on this instead of just one word or one sentence answers.
I definitely think so.
maybe a little; people who ought to know better, people in government, seem to be under the impression that this country was founded by Christians and that it’s been a Christian country blah blah blah so we “owe it to” persons who excercise, say, other religions or have a darker skin pigmentation or whatever to tread lightly on their rights.
it’s silly; it’s still discriminatory. it you want to “make amends” then use a blanket rule; apply it to everyone equally. geez.
I suppose I should have inserted above that the Star of David or any other religious symbol, if a part of a piece of visible jewelry would have been banned, too. However, if that was not the case, then there would have been grounds for asking whether or not this is a matter of religious discrimination.
She could tattoo a crucifix on her face or neck if it really is such a powerful symbol for her and then nobody could make her remove it…. OR she could probably just worship God in her private life and benefit more from that than a trinket around her neck.
That’s not the point, norris_redford. The question was, is America sensitive to other religions over Christianity?
I say yes, most definitely. If we’re going to speak of “tolerance,” it’s interesting to see how much more tolerant Christians are toward other religions than, say, liberals or (and I’m not equating) anti-religious people are. Christians do not condone many other religion’s activities, but when the tally marks are made for Christian tolerance for others and others’ tolerance for Christians, the “others” make a great deal more havoc than the other way around.
Absolutely. The majority is always scrutinized more than the minority.
Er… that’s not the best story to give as an example, really. All we have as evidence that it would be ok for a muslim girl to wear a headscarf is the christian girl’s father’s statement, and that is probably heavily biased hearsay.
Anyways – to answer your question, I think Christianity is more often the butt of jokes in America than any other religion, but it is still the majority religion and as such, has more political clout & power than any other. It’s all in how you define “being sensitive.”
And I agree with both comments from Xcholo4u.
well I believe a crucifix is sacrilege (damn me for not knowing how to spell that).
absolutely
…and a good look at this subject in culture is when Garrison Keillor said (jokingly, of course) that evangelical Christians should not have the right to vote, the public just laughed along with the audience. However, if that statement had been said about any other group (homosexuals, women, blacks, muslims, as examples), the public would have had an outrage.
Your kidding me right? Of course we are more “sensitive” to Christianity in America.
And a headscarf isn’t jewely, so it isn’t really comparable. Regardless, it’s more of a requirement to wear the coverings by Muslim women. It’s not a requirement to wear a visable cross.
chyea. its HORRIBLY hypocritical
Yes, because Christianity is seen as the male, anglo-saxon religion, and thus a religion that “The man” subscribes to.
Sometimes, I do think so.
That is a major freedom of speech violation! And yes, we are banning more symbols of Christianity in our country and letting other religions take over.
Are you serious? Of course. Christianity is treated very unfairly in public schools and government than other religions. Ironic since the very nation was based on concepts from the Bible…
-Jared
She says that not being able to wear a necklace during school hours has stopped her from exercising her religion?? Was her faith THAT flimsy and shallow?
Muslim headscarves for girls are required (or at least that’s what my not-so-stellar knowledge of Islam tells me). Crucifixes aren’t required for Christianity. This girl sounds like a whiny bitch to me.
As for the question, we make fun of it more because it’s not PC for me to make fun of Buddhism or Islam (fuck PC-ness). But I’m sure this is going to turn into one of those “OMG Xtians are being persecuted in the US!” things. No, you’re not fucking being persecuted. You’re in the VAST majority, most of the leaders of this country claim themselves to be part of your religion, so shut the fuck up about this paranoid, non-existent “persecution”.
thats differant though muslim woman have to wear that but still ppl should be able to do what they want
Although my point being stated, this particular case is one in which I don’t side with the Christian. A crucifix isn’t necessary to our religion, nor was the school forcing her to not wear it based on an anti-Christian or nonreligious agenda. They’re against the jewelry not the symbol, so she’s taking advantage.
Yes but that may be due to our knowing when a christian is bs us. A Moslem tell us they need to wear a pink pinky ring and hell they may be telling the truth for all we know. But a chrisitan, we know thats not only bunk, but it would be a sin if she was telling the truth. Its called idolitry
bittersunday is real bitter today
Most defnitely. Its almost “popular” right now to degrade Christianity.
Yes. Now that moral relativism has taken over and everything is seen as being okay so long as it doesn’t harm anyone, anything that sets down moral absolutes is seen as narrow-minded and bigoted. Since Christianity’s foundation is a loving God who has given us moral absolutes, people take offense to it, seeing it as a way of judging them for actions they’d rather not be held accountable for. No one likes being told they’re wrong, especially if they really are.
A headscarf isn’t jewelry, but a crucifix is. In my gym classes and even track, you can’t wear any jewelry, but you can wear a crucifix. I find it hardly fair. Also, my school bans shirts that depict satanism…but yet you can wear shirts that have other religions advertised on them? Hardly fair.
Eva.
YES!
But that girl needs to get over it, she doesn’t HAVE to go to that school, they can make whatever rules they want.
bittersunday is real bitter today
Posted 8/20/2006 at 11:11 PM by Mrguesswho
Oh I’m always bitter.
The word isn’t in my username for nothing. 
RYC:: I want to come to your abortion. Please invite me.
Yes and no. People will talk about what they know about. As a result, things relating to Christianity get recognition in our society over the things relating to other religious traditions, because nobody knows how to address those things. How can you tell a Muslim girl to take off her headscarf when you don’t even know the significance of it.
Be disrespectful to all religions.
It’s more even that way.
Yeah, but that’s kinda what Jesus said would happen, isn’t it? It shouldn’t be much of a surprise to us.
:: Kevin
Muslims get away with their demands because everyone is scared of them. Some schools also set aside a room for Muslims to use for their prayers upteen times a day. However, Christians are not allowed to pray, wear crosses, carry the Bible, etc. at school. Now I wonder why? Could it be that “authorities” are afraid to get their head loped off by the Muslims or the school blown up?
Yes we are. It’s called reverse discrimination,… although the scarf example is hardly comparable.
Well, seeing as christianity seems to be taking over our government and school system, maybe it’s a good thing the banned the crucifix. It is rather gruesome anyway.
Absolutely, everywhere you go everyone is screaming that we need religious tolerance and understanding, but does any of that tolerance go towards christians? Definitely not, we are the religious punching bag of the world, and we just sit hear and take all the crap that people hurl at us, and people might say that makes us weak, but I believe it chows that we are stronger then our detractors, it doesnt take much to insult someone and put them down, it takes alot more to not yell back.
no. we are afraid to offend anybody not christian and have a lawsuit, but christians are the majority so its bound to happen more and people arent afraid to do it.
people are more afraid to tell a muslim what they cant do than a christian in america. at least i think so.
Does anyone understand what the crucifix means to Christianity? It maybe jewerly, but it is a impeccably strong and meaningful sign of salvation to us. Why would any person ban it in a school?! I can understand not putting it up, but the thing is, a sign of an individual’s faith on their person should not be such a controversy.
I say we are so afraid of mixing Church and State the the lines have blurred so we’ve gone way beyond what’s necessary to maintain a balance. It’s jewelry and a sign of our beliefs. Like wearing a shirt about a band. We believe that the band it awesome. The crucifix is our way of saying, we believe Jesus Christ is awesome.
The loss of faith is a little much, though. Faith should not need a crucifix on a chain – it is much more.
But yes. The general public has become so very skeptical of all forms of Christianity. We tip-toe around the rest of the religions, but Christianity is just old stomping ground sometimes.
Much of Christianity has made itself obnoxious. The others haven’t done so yet, so I think that’s why people “pick on” Christianity as the yoke they want to throw off. It’s the elitism and aggressiveness of so many.
in this example I’d say that a headscarf isn’t jewelry. Christianity does’t have anything your required to wear.
They could’ve just worn the necklace under her shirt or something..
She could’ve gone to a different school.
If she wanted to excersise her religion she could carry her Bible around with her books…
p.s. why does a school need to ban jewerly anyway? that is just a little much.
this question calls for a government funded study of useless information!
What this boils down to is a separation of church and state, I guess. If we do not allow any trappings of religion, then neither the crucifix or scarf should be allowed. If we are willing to allow the right of freedom of religion, however, either should be permissable.
People tend to be harder on their own groups than other groups. Otherwise they seem intolerant, but there’s some understanding if it’s their own group. I don’t know exactly what would happen if a woman wanted a hajib. I don’t go to Sunbury and I’m not Muslim so I wouldn’t know what it’s like.
Since the wearing of a crucifix isn’t a tennet of chritianity it isn’t really the same as the head scarf thing. I don’t think they are really infringing on the practice of her religion. On the other hand this is a free speech issue (clothing or jewelry could be seen as symbolic speech). I don’t see where a college gets off setting such strict rules on what a person wears anyway.
that’s fucking dumb. she should be able to wear a crucifix.
that would be like if someone was praying to themselves in a quiet way and not bothering anyone else in a public place, then getting yelled at and being told they can’t do that. it’s retarded.
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I work in the news room for a Christian radio network, and I come across stories several times a day on how Christians are discriminated against while Muslims, Buddhist, and even Satanist are catered to. I do believe that there should be fairness in how those of different faiths are treated, which means that colleges, groups and even the government need to respect and honor the rights of Christians if they are going to allow other faiths practice their faith.
The only religion we are sensitive to is Secular Humanism.
It depends on the situation…
If someone told me I couldn’t wear my cross, I’d tell them to kiss my ass and wear it anyways–some day, I plan to get one tattooed on my shoulder or something…then what???!!!
We’re more sensitive because most people ARE Christians. What pisses me off about that is not the fact that it is a crucifix, but that it seems like a violation of freedom of expression and speech in a sense. More and more these days the government (and such) tend to regulate what we can and cannot do. They regulate what we can say on TV and radio, what we can wear, and what we can think.
THAT is what pisses me off.
i’m pretty sure that we are. well maybe not all of us, but as a general concensus yes.
not necissarily. For instance our pledge says “One nation, under God” as opposed to “under Alla”. Or like in court we swear on a Bible instead of the Quaran. how is that insensitive towards Christianity over the other religions?
A headscarf is not jewelry. That guy is an idiot. ‘Nuff said.
i’m not sensitive to anyone’s religion. they’re all a bunch of shit.
To answer the direct question:YES!!!!!! IF YOU CAN’T HEAR THAT I’LL SCREAM IT EVEN LOUDER.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Our children aren’t allowed to mention the name of Jesus at school….and what about holiday slogans all over the US in retail stores and at schools changing from Merry Christmas or Christmas break as not to offend….the ten commandments statues and plaques being removed from public places….I get so sick of EVERYONE always wanting to be offended by something and I’m including Christians in this too. The muslim dress is a statement of their beliefs…so why are they allowed to continue to dress like that in the US?
In the case you stated though….if ALL jewelry was banned then that means all jewelry. Period. I also get sick of people pulling out the ”my religion” card when it comes to conforming to what is the normal rules or expectations of everyone else…in this case students. I might fight the decision if I was involved and knew what the basis for banning the jewelry was in the first place.
but if someone told me to remove the piercings from my vag….there will be HELL TO PAY!
I believe so. I also think its a form of discrimination not only to Christians but also to those of the other religions. To think that they should have special exceptions is discrimination towards them.
if your ass can wear a cross around your neck, then muslims should be able to wear a scarf around their heads and vice versa. who give a shit anyway? i’m don’t believe in religion at all and i could give two craps about scarfs, crosses or mentioning god in the pledge of allegiance.
it’s all such a sham
there is no god. not a muslim one. not a christian one.
so why is everyone fighting over this shit?
A head scarf isn’t jewelry.
anyway, Christianity doesn’t require people to wear crucifixes like Islam requires Muslim women to cover their heads.
There is no case for discrimination here at all.
Why can’t she put it under her shirt?
Or will Jesus suffocate?
so go ahead and wear your symbols that represent a bunch of nothing.
people use religion to ease themselves of something they can’t understand or handle. like life, death, and in situations where there are no answers.
head scarf. maybe i’ll wear one of those tomorrow. just to prove a point.
i’m religionless with a scarf over my head and face. shit…i’ll throw on a cricifix around my neck too.
any other religious symbols out thre that I should add to my wardrobe tomorrow? Yammaka (however you spell it), priest outfit, maybe even a nun. Yeah…I’m going for it.
i’ll wear red spiked hooker shoes too.
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I think so many people have come here from outside of the US and are trying to turn it into where they came from. We have become weak and we worry to damn much about stepping on others toes. Because of this we feel that we need to hide who we are. I think if you are an American you should be able to wear any symbols you believe in. The school should stick to teaching and leave religion to the churches
I agree with most everyone else.. We absolutely are more sensitive..
Wearing a cross is like praying out loud in the temple in a loud tone of voice for all to see.
A head scarf is required by the lord for Muslim women.
I think a wooden cross held on with twine… I would wear that.
Yes – I watched Ms Congeniality this weekend and was amazed that Sandra Bullock was allowed to scream out “Jesus Christ” as an expletive. It would never have got through if she had shouted “Allah” or “Dalai Lama”.
this may be off subject but i just htought id share.
one of my friends had and upside down cross on her binder which is associated with her religion of satanism.
the school told her that if she didnt take it off she’d be suspended…
numerous students had regular crucifixes on a lot of their belongings and were not told to remove them.
tell me how thats fair?
yeah. I mean the crusifix as jewelery thing is a stupid example, but otherwise yes. We aren’t allowed to bring Bibles to school, but Muslims can bring Korans. We can’t pray, but Muslims can. Teachers smash our religion all the time and no one cares, but someone says something about Islam and everyone gets in a huff.
I think it’s a good question Dan! I also think we do tend to be more sensitive to other religions as well as cultures than we do towards christianity. I’m not a Christian, I’m a Pagan Witch. I’m not offended in the least by someone wearing a crusifix, a cross, star of david, or any other “religious” symbol to express their faith. Why should I be? I wear a pentacle around my neck that I NEVER take off. I also wear a symbol of the Goddess which I NEVER take off. I would be offended if someone tried to force me to remove it. I’d also stand up for the persons right to wear the crusifix or the cross or the star of david. I believe this falls in with the “Freedom of Religion” thing. I’m not offended by nativity scense being up at Christmas time, but I know many who are. Big deal, if it offends ya (not you personally Dan) then don’t look at it. But I see no reason to try to ruin something special for someone else simply because it doesn’t fall into my own personal and private choice of religion. Just my 2 cents……….
Life’s hard enough as it is wtihout all this petty crap over religion. Live and let live…… Nice concept isn’t it? (or as I like to say…”Rock on with yer bad self!)
~Namaste~
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Firstly, the factors most important to making
such a determination, you left out, such as
whether it’s a public or private university,
whether it has any religious affiliation…the
list of important factors in any given issue
that you always leave out makes my fucking mind
boggle. Shit, Dan. It’s one thing to pick through
brains and wholly another to brainwash people.
While I also do my best to indoctrinate, I at
least post links to my sources so that others
may sift through the information themselves.
Stop being an ass-clown, you false idol.
Yes. Anti-Christian bigotry is really out of hand.
I think we are more sensitive to the beliefs of other religions. I mean how many movies out there are saying G-D! all the time or Jesus Christ! When they swear. I don’t hear someone Damning the Buddha, or saying Muhammed! when you’re watching a movie in America. Even these movies that take place in “foreign” territory you don’t hear it. Not to mention those religions you are trying to be sensitive to aren’t exactly sensitive back. Its like don’t put your beliefs on me, but I’ll put mine on yours now.
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“boo about it”? A new southern word?
If you look at one particular case it might not seem discriminatory but when you add them all together, yes, Christians are becoming discriminated against more and more. Jewelry could be a safety issue for gym, perhaps the rules should say that it can’t be worn while taking gym, same as the head dress. If I were that girl I would wear a tshirt everyday with the cross on it.
Anyone can be expressive about their religion. Who cares if they wear a crucifix for their jewelry? Who cares that they wear a head scarf? Who cares if boys shave their heads `ckuz they Buddhist?
That`s why we came to America right? To express how we feel & whut we feel about.
Just as long you dont trynna covert peepol to your religion, it`s okay. Everyone can express their religion in their own way.
Yes, Christianity is often ridiculed when other religions are often spoken of with a tone of reverance by people that don’t even practice them.
If banning jewelry is beneficial to the student population, then I could see the point. A head scarf may be mandatory… but why should ANYONE who is not “required” to wear a religious symbol have that decision taken away? I hear so many people rant about the freedom of choice… so why would this be okay? It’s one thing to proselytize, it’s another to display your faith…any faith. Hell, even your LACK of faith.
Christianity does get a bad rap thanks to a lot of the extremesits out there. (And let’s face it, the crazy ones are the ones who end up in the media.) My answer would have to be yes. Any talk of Christianity tends to get people riled faster than other religions.
Yes. If I am correct (and I may not be), I am pretty sure they can’t stop her from wearing it if it has to do with religion. I know that my daughter did some research and found out they can not stop her from carrying her bible to school either so she took it with her every day.
Oh yeah.
I wore an equilateral sided cross to school one day, and I wasn’t confronted once. I’m Wiccan. And a equil-sided cross is a pagan symbol. Then again, it apparently is a Christian symbol (?) too. No one asked about it, except my closest friends (maybe only 2 people who I’m attached at the hip with). If I had worn a pentagram, then I’d be confronted immediately… by my other friends, of course. Or other people. Hmm… I need to get a pentagram necklace one of these days for an experiment… I’ll write an entry about it once I do.
Of course. America is leaning towards all the non-christian things, so of course they dicriminate.
yess!! they wont even let us talk about christianity or even pray in school…which is really retarded && i pray anyways…its not like they can stop me.
Christianity is the dominant religion in the United States, and I believe we do tend to favor it as a society. Kids in school get _Christmas_ break, even though Hanakuh often falls a week or two ahead of Christmas. That’s not really a strong argument, and I’m sure schoolchildren of all faiths are just happy to have a break for the academic world.
Personally, I’ve had a bad run with Christians. Almost all of the one’s I’ve met have tried to force their beliefs down my throat. I know they’re not all like that, but the ones I know have given all the others a bad rep in my eyes.
idk about christian’s being untolerated…as long as I’m not realy bold about my religion i get no harm from it.
yes .
Yes, we are more sensitive to all others and less tolerant of Christianity..it has gone overboard.
Yes, but I wonder if this story is a good example of that. I wonder why the college banned visible jewelry?
most deffinately… I remember in 4th grade a girl’s mother came in to talke about Hannakah (forgive the spelling) and so I asked if my parents could come in and talk about the true meaning of christmas… boy did I get in trouble….
double standards are annoying
Yes. Tolerance was a Christian idea that many took to mean something else so no longer is there any real sense of tolerance, whatever it originally ment.. I thought it was obvious that there are religious issues against many symbols of Christianity, as an example, attempt to count how many Ten Commandments Monuments are/were in some form of legal hot water. Any laws or local ordinances are done in the name of tolerance, sadly. I thought that tolerance meant that if you were out of blue popsicles, you would just have to eat a red one, not ban red popsicles alltogether.
OK, the school banned JEWELRY. This young lady’s jewelry happened to be a cross. They did not ban crosses, just jewelry. It is not religious discrimination.
However, Christianity does get more discrimination than other religions.
why doesn’t she cry and cry and cry to make a raft and float away to another college
Since Christianity is the majority religion, they are the ones who do, or do not do, most of the tolerating. I think people of other faiths sometimes get tired of having hit stuck in their face and crammed down their throats. Take this past December for example, when wishing anyone anything but Merry Christmas was totally not tolerated. Only the Christian Holiday was allowed to be celebrated. Most all religions have some holiday in December, yet the attitude of the Christian churches was “our way or the highway”. Tolerance, indeed!
The necklace? If other religion’s paraphernalia is banned, than that should be banned, too. If others are not banned, then that should be allowed.
why would a person wear a mini replica of a torture devise around their neck anyways???
Christian 78% (Protestant 52%, Roman Catholic 24% Mormon 2%) other 10%, none 10%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 1% (2002 Census)
sorry dan. i was really high on ambien last night. :-/
ucantseeme_buticanseeyou says – “why would a person wear a mini replica of a torture devise around their neck anyways???”
^ Now THAT is hilarious!
In a Democracy, most rules are passed to protect the minority. This is why you see more rules protecting nonChristians from the assault of Christianity.
Christian 78% (Protestant 52%, Roman Catholic 24% Mormon 2%) other 10%, none 10%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 1% (2002 Census)
Were Christianity in the minority, it would be the reverse.
I would say I do…but all I know is that christinaty isn’t “our” religion…..The united states doesn’t have a religion We all know that it was founded by christians but.. I think is a good thing the u.s doesn’t have a religion…
There is always someone and somewhere that has a problem with something. Her beliefs then let her wear it .
It’s probabally ’cause christianity has been around in america for longer than most religions.
So we dismiss it..
I think that America as a nation is way too friggin’ sensative…
And that’s why we have Emo’s.
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ABSOLUTELY!!! whether or not a headscarf is jewlery or not is NOT the issue. Our religious freedoms are being taken over day by day in this country if you are a Christian. If you are a Jew you can leave work before sundown on a Friday so that you can make it home in time for the Sabbath. If you are Muslim in the holy month of Ramadan you mnay leave work early EVERY DAY so that you can prepare your meals and say your prayers. I work at a Catholic hospital and I cannot even have off to go to Holy Days of obligation or to attend Mass. I work weekends. Day shift and evening shifts alike and they don’t allow for practicing catholics to practice their religion. Oh sure we have a chapel and daily Masses, but I am at WORK I have work to do. Forget any Christian Holidays like Easter or Christmas that non christians don’t celebrate. They won’t work for OUR holidays.
Wearing a headscarf is a choice just like wearing a cross. Either both are allowed or neither should be allowed.
this country is too sensitive about everything
Society-wise? Yes. Politically? Maybe not as much.
No, it’s just that Christians think America belongs to them, so they expect more sensitivity.
Christians aren’t required to wear crosses the way Muslim women are required to wear headscarfs. You can’t compare them. Besides, the girl could have worn the cross tucked into her shirt, so it wasn’t visible.
yea we do.. i try not to, but i still find myself doing it… bummer…
Yes!
If the only way she can “practice her religion” is by wearing a crucifix, then she might not have much of a “religion” anyways. Sometimes you just have to *shockgasp* follow the rules; they banned all jewlery, not just religious stuff. I’m wearing a cross right now, but that has nothing to do with the “practice” of my religion, and if I took it off, I’d still be the same Christian.
Yes, we are a little more tolerant towards everyone else, than Christians, but somedays, it seems like a good many Christians don’t practice the tolerance they feel the deserve.
It’s a requirement of Muslim women to wear the head scarf. The cross may be important to the girl, but there is nothing requiring her to wear that to exercise her religion. I have a cross necklace that I like to wear. But if they told me I couldn’t, that’s not telling me I can’t be a Christian anymore. Seems like a ot of chutspah on her part to claim it’s squashing her religious freedom.
*chutzpah
I think we don’t want to piss off other religions so we are more tolerant of them. Also, the majority of people don’t realize another persons religious symbol as easily as the symbols of christianity. Other cultures also blur the line between thier religious symbols and their cultural symbols.
There’s also the problem that, ALOT of people are offended by christianity. Espicially right now, people don’t want to appear like they are encroaching thier christinitaity upon people. They want to appear “Accepting” of other religions. So yeah, I do think there is some increased tolerance for religions unlike our own.
pretty much.
ABSOLUTELY! Like most things…people carry a double standard with religon…Praise anything you want openly in the streets…but dont you dare say the word Jesus!
i think so, i mean in school they talk about all kinds of religions except christianity! what happen to egaul time for each? and then there’s the evolution thing! in eigth grade i was basically called stupid for believing in creation BY MY TEACHER!!!! i could understand them saying that both were theory’s and leaving it up to us to decide what we think but no, the public school system grounds evolution into our brains! its insane!!! i think that girl should be allowed to wear her crusafix, was it hurting anyone? luv ya and god bless
lol
I think we are equally sensitive if not more to Chrisitianity than other religions.
absolutely no question… Christians are always getting a bad rap…
Yes
In all honestly the United States is not a Christian nation, as many percieve it to be. God does not show more favor over us. We have this common misconception that somehow since there are Christian churches here in abondence there must be a lot of Christians. Actually, church attendece is poor and doctrines are overall weak. I see stronger Christians in Africa than I do here in the States, that’s probably why they are sending over missionaries to us.
As to the actal topic presented, the ban on religious jewely should be permissable if it endangers ones life, like say for instance a cult of head hunters who wear their victims head around their neck as jewely…but other than that I would say it is unconstitutional to ban jewely such as a crucifix.
Grace and Peace,
Jared
Yes, we always cater to the minorites and forget about the majority. Because, obviously, the more people who believe, the less rights they should get. Same thing with the black vs white debate. Or even male vs female. Everyone should be treated equally, regardless of how many there are or what happened to their ancesters generations ago.
Well, I think the reason why they would allow someone to wear a headscarf is because it is mandatory in that religion. in Christianity, it is not mandatory to wear a cross. If you don’t wear a cross around your kneck, i’m pretty sure you are safe from eternal damnation, as long as you are a faithful follower. (just note i’m agnostic, so i don’t actually know how this works, but i know a lot of die hard christians and none of them wear crosses every day and are still exercising their religion). Also, christianity is so common in this country, like caucasions. it’s the same deal with race. You can’t “descriminate” against blacks/asians/mexicans etc….., but you don’t have to worry about descrimination when surrounded by caucasions. Do i make sense?
i spelled neck wrong, sorry
Yeah, we’re definitely more sensitive to other religions in the U.S. No doubt about it.
you have a right to wear whatever you damn well want…i don’t understand why people get all touchy about it. I mean, if you want to where a rosary, or a head scarf as respect to your religon or god, thats fine by me, as long as you don’t go around screaming at me to be the same religon as you.
Would islam collectively say, “AHH! Woah, you startled me there!” If we said “boo” to it?
first…yes, we tend to be more sensitive to other religions b/c of the whole freedom thing…
second…how stupid is that?! what happened to the whole “submit to authority” thing the Bible talks about? and gives an example…you know…Christ submitting to His heavenly Father by dying on a cross…which the crucifix gives evidence of. ugh…hope that made sense. i don’t like that kind of thing.
Yes, esp. at Christmas time.
The fact that people seem to only compare Judaism, Christianity, and Islam seems to indicate to me that there are plenty of other religions that get shafted. It’s just Jews, Christians, and Muslims who publicly whine the loudest.
Um yeah.
I think that people in this country are very sensitive to other religons more so then they are to Christianity. Why is it that Christians can’t pray in a public school because it is offending to other people but they turn a blind eye to those who wear satanic symbols just claiming it’s a fashion statement? I’ll admit a lot of times it is a fashion statement but it still doesn’t make a Christian very comfortable. There is no rules against other religons besides Christianity. Why are people trying to silence our beliefs. If you don’t like to see crosses or hear prayers then look away. In the Bible it doesn’t say when or where to pray or places that’s it’s appropriate to where crosses. We should not have to be ashamed of our religon and be forced to hide it. Why does the government and school systems bow down to other religons yet force us to silence our opinions. What if we do not want only to pray in the dark. We should be allowed to pray and wear what we want. It’s horrible to think that Christianity is being silenced when it’s one of the only non-morally corrupt religons out there? Love thy enemies? Treat other’s with respect? Don’t kill people? How are these statements evil or demoralizing? Why is Christianity offending? I don’t understand why people have to tiptoe around muslims, jews, atheists, pagans, ect and yet stomp all over Christians because we don’t fight back. Our country was based upon most of the beliefs in the Bible and whether you like to admit or not it’s true. Even Martin Luther King Jr. the poster child of the Civil Rights Movement was a preacher and quoted from the Bible a number of times. So yes the US is much more sensitive to othe religions and races moe so than Christianity. Maybe i’m just biased because I go to a Lutheran school but I’ll tell you one thing when I tell people I’m a Christian they usually give me disgusted or judgmental looks and will most of the time think I will force my opinions down their throats. I have no interest in trying to convert someone into Christianity. I mean unless they come to me and ask me questions do I rarely talk about this.
As for the necklace situation does it apply to all religous objects or just crucifixes? Maybe there was a situation before the rule was made that caused it to go into effect. We do not have enough information to justify that question with a solid answer.
wooh! that was long.
ughh i spelt religion wrong like a dozen times. goodness. curse you spelling errors.
Yes, definately.
Yes.
heck yes. and it sickens me
Are we more sensitive to religions other christianity? Yes! How can any one doubt that.
Yes. Thankfully Islam has potential of ushering in a peaceful regime like we see evidenced in the Middle east… wait… not so much.
I sure do think so.
[ariana]
Yes. A religious medalion is a statement of religion and is as much a part of some people religion as a head scarf. I don’t know the circumstances of this particular case though.
yes, I think that people are more accepting to other religions than to Christianity. one guess as to why: in Romans 1:21(I think) the Bible says that all people know there is a God just by looking at creation, that way no man has an excuse. oh yes, everyone knows that God is there, they just surpress it or believe in Him. to be blunt: It’s because Christianity is right that people don’t want to accept that fact.
absolutely
maybe in certain parts of the country..but not where i live.you can pratically wear anything to skool..what gets me though is you cant wear pajama bottoms but gurls can wear mini skirts that show half their bottom???
I’ve always found that we act in favor of Christianity.
I find the crucifix, especially one with a figuire on it, disturbing. It’s a torture and execution device. The choice of the crucifix as the symbol of Christianity could’ve been thought-out better.
“I find the crucifix, especially one with a figuire on it, disturbing. It’s a torture and execution device. The choice of the crucifix as the symbol of Christianity could’ve been thought-out better.”
You may (and probably) know this, but it does symbolize the death and ressurection of Jesus. I personally don’t like the Catholic crucifix (one with a figure on it), but that’s my opinion and I don’t have a problem with a regular crucifix. It’s just a constant reminder to a Christian that Jesus suffered on that cross more than any Christian or non-Christian ever will, and He did that so that we would never have to. The cross is mainly to remind Christians of what Jesus endured (when He certainly didn’t have to) so that we may have eternal life.
Anyway… to the question. Yes, sometimes I think we are, and other times I think we aren’t… I think if the school said no jewelry then that’s their decision to make and the rules should be followed. They haven’t descriminated against anyone unless they’ve singled out a specific group and said that they couldn’t wear their religious symbol, and in this case they haven’t done that, so it’s all fair. Excersising your religion (as a Christian, at least) should consist of more than just wearing a necklace, anyway… She can still do that by setting a Christ-like example, can she not? So, losing the necklace is a big drawback, but it’s not like she’s losing her whole faith with it… so, I think she should just obey her schools rules, since they are fair, and make the best of it.
I’m not saying she was this kind of person (heck I don’t even know her, lol) but some people wear or in some way display the Christian cross letting people know they are Christian, but then they don’t act like it. Excersising your religion as a Christian should consist of more than just letting people know by what you wear, but by how you act. Can people tell when they look at you that you are truly trying to follow in the footsteps of Jesus? It’s just a thought… I just think it’s important for a Christian not to just look the job, but to LIVE IT!
Anyway, sorry for my ranting
God Bless,
Chris
Yes….Christians are pursacuted A LOT….look at the Columbine Shootings that took place several years ago….what people got shot? The ones who got shot were the ones who admitted to being a Christian. Has anything ever happened in the US where people persacuted muslims or hindus and it costed their life? not as far as I know.
A better question from this scenario is, Which is more important: following community standards. or establishing freedom of religious expression?
Duh.
The bible said we would be, so I’m not surprised. And I don’t expect it to change either, as long as we’re on this Earth.
yes. Because it’s such a big religion, we push it aside so we can be sympathetic to the little religions. And by doing that we’re being discrimatory anyway.
Yes, we are too afraid for the most part, trying to be politically correct.
Sadly the media is afraid of other religions too except for Christianity in which they tend to mock.
Students should be allowed to wear symbols of their religion.
Sadly, however, parents and others might insist that symbols of alternate religions cannot be worn or that no symbols of religion can be worn.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/sch_clot1.htm
“A head dress isn’t jewelry. It’s also part of the religion. You MUST wear it under certain circumstances.
You don’t have to wear a rosary.”
Exactly. Oh, and that father is pretty ignorant. Did he ever read about the French school that banned wearing anything other than uniform? (More than half of the female students wore hijab[headscarves])
Yes, because Christianity is viewed as more of a majority than the others, and of course people are more sensitive to minorities. It’s pc.
what? this country cators to christianity so much so that rules are influenced by it.
well, yeah. But that’s like how minorities get unfair consideration over whites for fear of a lawsuit.
Too bad.