To save more people with the sacrifice of one, perhaps.
Because we are weird people.
I’ve never understood why conservative christians are so much in favor of the death penalty. Not that I’m going to miss Saddam though.
I am pro life and I am also against capital punishment……….but those who favor saving the unborn understand – that the unborn are truly innocent……And those condemed to die have at least had a trial.
I’m pro-life and I basically don’t know how I feel about the execution, or the death penalty in general. I’ve been taught that it’s right my whole life, but I’m just not sure. So I guess I’m an exception.
Hypocrisy?
Pro life is kiling innocent people however, i am all for capital punishment because they deserve what they did <3
because babies are innocent and saddam is not?
Posted 12/30/2006 9:50 AM by justwandering
ha. i like that one.
because babies are innocent and saddam is not?
Good point.
that execution was a terrible thing and should never have happened. they hung a man, not gave him a shot or anything civil in the least (a shot is by no means civil, but it is better than hanging). And now we will slowly watch as a video leeks to the net and our country is enamoured by the death of a man by hanging, sitting on the edge of their seats waiting desperatly to hear his neck snap one last time. God bless America. but im pro-choice…so i guess i shouldnt be commenting.
Derek
I have no idea. How does killing another person make the death of others better?
haha
viva capital punishment
as for the question… no comment
PRO-LIFE= Abortion is the murder of innocent babies. There’s a difference between an innocent baby and a hateful evil man who’s commited murder. Like I have said a few times before, Jesus did not come down to condemn the laws but to fulfill them. In alot of places, the law is if you murder someone, you’re punishable by death penalty (an eye for an eye, blah blah)
Babies don’t commit crimes against humanity! huge difference, so it’s not a contradiction in my opinion at all.
Why are there pro-choice people that are against death penalty??? so they’re FOR the killing of BABIES?!?!?!!!!
(I’ll jump off the soapbox now, Im very passionate about being pro-life, obviously)
I’m pro-choice and against capital punishment, but I was still glad to see him go, I have to say….
Saddam Hussein, by virtue of his actions, has sacrificed his own right to live.
Cute little babies haven’t done that. Yet they’re killed in far greater numbers than murderers are. Why is that, do you think? It’s easier to give a baby the death sentence with no crime than it is to give the same to a convicted murderer…
because he is “evil” and people who you know just commit murder once, well they can live………
I dont know…… our world is full of hypocrisy.
How can we not be “sure” about this execution? I am disgusted at how long it took them to finally “decide.” Look what the guy did! DUH you actually have to “think” about it!? Gah.
good question.
i do not consider capital punishment proponents to be pro life . they do, but I think it is hypocrisy and a lot of denial, therefore I do not take them seriously.
Perhaps we should ask why the people who are against killing Saddam are all for letting people kill their children.
because we recognize the profound difference between punishment of the guilty and murder of the innocent.
Im sorry to some up there and those who will be down below, but the question is not is abortion ethical. Im sure that will be posted at one time, lets try to rant at least about the subject at hand.
Derek
Babies are of course innocent and have a right to their life. Abortion is a crime by the parents. Saddam knowingly and willingly had so many tortured, terrorized and killed. I believe that killing him was actually way to kind.
I’m anti-abortion, but not pro-life in all cases. Hmm…I’m pro-Jesus, and that’s about it.
The question in reverse is just as interesting: Why are those who are for the murder of innocent babies against the death penalty of convicted murderers? Oh wait, that just answered my question.
Perhaps we should ask why the people who are against killing Saddam are all for letting people kill their children.
Amen
fetus’ are a tad bit different than a human being, one has a soul (as deemed by the catholic church) and one has not received their soul yet. The one feels pain, emotion, knows what an adreninlin rush is, the other feels nothing, knows nothing. Thats the difference.
Derek
sadaam was deliberate in his evil actions. a fetus has no choice. the question would then be: “if you are truly pro-choice then why does the fetus have no choice?”
It is the same way all across the board, a lot of people who wouldn’t kill a hamster (REMEMBER THAT?????) support abortions.Go figure!
thats a darn good question.
come on cant you see different people’s lives hold different value…makes perfect sense! please note the sarcasm here.
because prolifers are hypocritical.
I’m not for killing people. I’m not for killing unborn children either, but I’m also not for taking legal action against those who are.
I imagine that so many people are pro life and pro capital punishment because of reasons other folks stated. Besides, you can’t have the enjoyment of killing criminals if you’ve killed them before they’ve done anything wrong.
I often wonder that myself. Life is sacred in all cases. But, I really don’t know. People typically like the idea of revenge. I think that has something to do with it.
maybe saddam wouldn’t of been here if his mad hadn’t been pro life….. ha. kidding. This whole arguement can go in circles. I can see where both arguments can be right. I see murder has wrong… but I don’t know where the line is drawn, when is it murder and when is it in the best interest of the baby…?…I dont think anyone else knows either.
Because Republicans are hypocritical, dumb-ass tards.
i.e. our president!
No one deserves death, but pro-life doesn’t make sense in the first place, i.e. a woman who is raped in an alleyway, and is left with a baby, of course pro-life people, and the church will excuse that, just adding fuel to the fire how some people ::cough, cough:: Pro-life, Christian, republicans!!!! ::cough, cough:: are so freaking hypocritical.
Innocence versus guilt.
Good riddance, Saddaam. Dirty coward, dragged all the way from his hole in the ground to the gallows.
Well, first I wouldn’t compare abortion to the execution of a person like Saddam. Either way, I’m pro-choice and I was for the execution of Saddam.
Because we attempt to follow what we believe is JUST.
Two different topics. Pro life today refers to the issue of abortion and you well know it. That has nothing to do with the execution of a mass murderer. Shame one you for even asking. Shame!!!
Yeah, hypocricy. I’m pro-life and I believe that if Saddam was to be killed, alot of other world leaders should be to. *shrugs*
Which by the way you can be pro-choice, support the death penalty and still be a good Christian and a Republican….. Just because Republicans are “known” for being against abortion, doesn’t mean we all think the same… I would be willing to vote Democrat if I knew that the candidate was actually going to take care of our military…
because the death penalty is, as a definition, a penalty. being pro life means that you just don’t want innocent babies killed.
Because “pro-life” is a misnomer. Better to say, pro-responsibility.
there is a difference– pro-life vs capital punishment
abortion kills the innocent where as capital punishment imposes a sentence of death to a person who sat through a trial and found guilty of crimes committed.
Saddam Hussein, by virtue of his actions, has sacrificed his own right to live.
Cute little babies haven’t done that. Yet they’re killed in far greater numbers than murderers are. Why is that, do you think? It’s easier to give a baby the death sentence with no crime than it is to give the same to a convicted murderer…
Because “pro-life” is a misnomer. Better to say, pro-responsibility.
Posted 12/30/2006 10:32 AM by Soultender
amen
I’m pro-life, and not in favor of it. But it makes me less uneasy than abortion.
Hypocrisy. Also, why are most for the pro-lifers also pro-war? You can’t have it both ways.
It’s semantics. Most people who call themselves “pro-life” are often just “anti-abortion”. They are against killing innocent, unborn babies and in favor of executing murderous villains. The difference seems pretty obvious to me.
Because babies are innocent and haven’t done anything yet. While Saddam has “earned” his “reward”.
I have no clue.
-KrIsTiN-
No fetus is innocent. Damn you original sin!
I’m so torn on this. I had so many emotions when I heard about it this morning. He was a horrible, evil man who did terrible things, but to hang to death just seems so…I don’t know, brutal. And people cheering and honking their horns in celebration? I mean, I can understand that but it still seems…I don’t know. The whole thing is just awful.
Most pro-lifers I know are also conservative politically…republicans…they support the Bush admin (or at least they voted for him and did support him at one time) and they support the war in Iraq….so..
Humans are all hypocrits. Every last Goddamned one of us.
Good question. Are you implying that Prolife people are crazy? Freaks? Weird? Not stating my opinion in anyway here. I’d hate to be bombed because of an opinion.
fetus’ are a tad bit different than a human being, one has a soul (as deemed by the catholic church) and one has not received their soul yet. The one feels pain, emotion, knows what an adreninlin rush is, the other feels nothing, knows nothing. Thats the difference.
Well, hasn’t the Catholic Church made quite a few mistakes recently? i.e., molestation of children? What they say is not what all Christians believe. Why is it ethical to take the life of a child who has never seen the world? Then again, I guess it’s easier to do so in the first trimester, when the fetus doesn’t even look like a baby yet. A little less guilt, because there’s no face. Sorry, rambling. But just because the Catholic Church says so doesn’t mean it’s true. There are many different types of abortion, some which are extremely cruel, and when the baby is finally stillborn, you can see the pain and suffering in their faces. They do feel pain. However, all of this is still unconsequential because obviously they have done nothing wrong. They are innocent, clean. Capital punishment is saved for those who have committed crimes of a terrible nature, they have taken the life of someone else, and now it is their turn.
execution is usually deserved. Abortion is not. the child did nothing wrong where the criminal has done some of the worst.
I’m pro-choice and I eat eggs, and I don’t care if Saddam is dead or alive. The man lost power years ago, and his hanging is only another finger from the Christian world to the Moslem world.
The unborn human beings killed in abortions are innocent and are put to death without a fair trial and usually no one is around to defend them when the abortion takes place. In the case of American-style justice, which is based on Biblical principles found mainly in the book of Deutoronomy, the plaintiff is allowed to argue his or her innocence and then a jury decides their fate. If they are found guilty and sentenced to death, then their case is automatically heard by an appeals court. The death is at the hand of the government and not in the hands of individuals. The reason the executioners wear masks is to hide their identity because they are representing the government and not themselves at the time of the death. We have fought many wars to end tyrannical rule and the ability of people like Saddam to kill without allowing a fair trial. The whole issue of life is a difficult one to argue because so many people argue it emotionally and not logically. It is impossible to logically compare the killing of an innocent unborn human being with the government execution of a convicted murderer. The argument to try and compare them is based solely on emotion.
’cause babies didn’t gas hundreds of thousands of innocent people
because they’re hypocrites and haven’t read the bible w/ too much thought..no offense, lol
Because protecting the innocent and protecting the guilty are two totally different things.
Well, they’re just angry hypocrits.
un-born babies who are helpless can’t and don’t kill people. Sadam on the other hand, does kill people.
Glad to see you’re back from fighting crime on your secret service business trip with your family at the Mexican ski lodge
well there is no relationship between the two, sadam was a bigot who killed god knows how many people and allowed the rapings of so many women and tortured many people as well. where as being pro life, im just against abortion in the cases where the mother was a whore and just slept around with people and didnt want to take responsibility. if the mother’s life is at risk or if it a women that has been raped, then i think abortion should be allowed.
I never did say the Catholic church had final say, I was merely pointing out that a blatant following of pro-life claimed there is no soul until the second trimester. Abortion is completly different than the death penatly, or hanging. Abortion can be wrong, when we inflict pain, which is illegal let me remind you. But while the baby is still a fetus and feels nothing it is not wrong. There is no regocnition of death, life, feelings. Secondly I would like to point out the law (i dont know the name and this argument isnt worth me googling it) that states when a person/child/minor is unable or not yet capable to decide their life (when they are in a comma, dieing, ect.) it is the guardians decision. It is not wrong for that guardian to end the life. It is what they see as the best way.
Hanging someone is wrong, Im sure we can both agree on this. If they were to kill Sadam there are more ethical ways. Celebrating a death is wrong. Again, I am sure we can say this is common ground. A public death in which the condemned is mocked in death and dies in pain in front of their country is unethical. This may or may not be common ground. The death sentence. It is unethical. In religous terms it is the maiming of God’s image. In nonrelgious terms it is ending a life. Either way, religious or non religious this should disturb you.
Again in religious and non religous points, let us look at the men and women Sadam killed. 148 to be found guilty. Religiously we should look at his preservation of life behind bars as a second chance because everyone deserves a second chance, if you are not religous then put him behind bars because it is more painful than death itself. Death, as noted in those against suicide, is the quick way out.
So abortion is different than execution by hanging.
And now I leave you to retalliate with your writhing type writer and your stinging words yodaliciousone,
Sincerly,
Derek
killing is killing, period. I am not in favor of any of it.
pro-life meaning for the innocent, you idiot.
because babies are innocent and hussein wasn’t? just a guess
Anyone that has a problem understanding the differences between murder and killing. And betweeen executing murders, and drilling a hole in the head of a fully developed but unborn baby.
Well they have the intellect of a Sea Cucumber, and like a Sea Cucumber, it does no good to argue with them. Just let them mop the drool off their key boards, and continue typing their “thoughts”.
yeah. thats kinda what i was wondering too. he seemed like a nice guy in the dream i had last night. but obviously thats not the real world
I wonder if haylbop21 at lest tastes good as a Sea Cucumber?
theres a big difference, murdering an unborn child vs giving justice to all those that saddam wronged, he deserved what he got.
Like a lot of people have stated.
A baby is innocent.
Saddam has had a trial and been pronounced guilty.
The reason they can be pro-life and for capitol punishment, is because there’s a difference. Pro-life has to do with unborn children, babies. Saddam Hussein’s execution has to do with a man who’s commited great crimes, gone to trial for them, and been found guilty.
I’m pro-choice and pro-death penalty. I know the exeption to the rule; a lot of us pro-choicers are against the death penalty.
abortion isn’t about killing a bunch of cells that science has called a fetus/baby/zygote. Its about having a choice on what to do with your life and body.
The fact that we have to ask this question is sad for our society… I have no remorse or respect for those that do not value the life of another person.. take that how you want!
You have asked this question over and over again. I’ll give you the same answer again because the answer does not change.
Innocent babies in the womb do not murder. Saddam, a grown man who can make choices, chose to murder thousands of people, not just the 148 that he was found guilty of murdering. He is EVIL. A baby in the womb is an innocent life. There is NO comparison of wanting an innocent unborn baby to be born and a man who killed innocent people to die for his crime against humanity.
How can pro choice people want innocent babies killed in the womb and yet want someone like Saddam to continue to live even though he has murdered thousands?
I suppose it is because many of those who call themselves pro life are hypocritical about it. I don’t think anyone who is truly pro life can be for the death penalty.
Like everyone else said….babies don’t commit crimes.
But I’m not pro-life…and I’m up for capital punishment.
Now if we are truly good citizens of the U.S.A. we all know that no one is guilty until proven guilty. Sadam was found guilty for 148 lives. All prejustices aside thats all he was killed for, the death of 148 people. You cannot claim he is evil because you did not see it, you were not a witness, all the information you have is from the media who in turn did not see it, did not witness it, their information is from the iraqi people. How far back does this line go? Where can we decipher the truth from rumor of the devil incarnate? How do we know what he did?
The only thing that is safe for assuming is that he killed 148 people, no argument. It is his right, although dead.
Derek
I’m pro choice… and I think that he should have been tortured more. eh, I’m cruel… and as far as the pro life people wanting his death… I believe they are practicing oxymoronism.
I think the best answer should be: “I’ll answer that if you tell me why people who are most opposed to executing a mass murderer are also in favor of killing unborn babies.”
(Now that I think about it, that kind of explains itself.)
“abortion isn’t about killing a bunch of cells that science has called a fetus/baby/zygote. Its about having a choice on what to do with your life and body.”
I’ve never heard it put that way.. so abortion really isn’t about killing unborn babies (or whatever that whole “science” thing calls it).. why isn’t prostitution legal, in using this theory it should be because everyone has a right to do what they want with their life and body.. I also think we should be able to walk around naked and smoke joints.. I know I sound ridiculous.. but I am merely using the above theory… Every Country should adopt this new theory.. I’m in favor, but I am Canadian, what do I know, we do as we please anyway!
Unborn babies and fetuses are innocent, and I’m pro life to some extent. If the mother was a whore and just slept around then I’m against it. But if giving birth causes danger, that a C-section can’t fix or, to her or the baby then I’m for it.
I think that death for Saddam was the easy way out for him. He should have suffered a bit for killing all of those people
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haha long live canada
I’m not. I’m all for abortion. Against capital punishment. I’m what people call “Liberal” but I hate Democrats. And Republicans.
because they’re being hypocrites. abortion eliminates the possibility of a clump of cells becoming a human. the death penalty kills a human, who is already undeniably alive.
People are supposed to be given a right to life and the pursuit of happiness. Killing babies before they’re born gives them neither. Saddam was given a chance and lost it by taking the lives of many innocent people and he deserved to be punished for that. Also for people who say they don’t think he should’ve been hung…America did not decide how he was to be executed.- Bekah
How can pro choice people want innocent babies killed in the womb and yet want someone like Saddam to continue to live even though he has murdered thousands? Posted 12/30/2006 11:46 AM by lead_mare
Because he has lived. He is in between unbirth and death. Death is the lack of feeling any emotions, to be shut down. So is unbirth. It’s because he is a Human being very similar to all of us, more so than an undeveloped baby fetus
People are supposed to be given a right to life and the pursuit of happiness. Killing babies before they’re born gives them neither. Saddam was given a chance and lost it by taking the lives of many innocent people and he deserved to be punished for that. Also for people who say they don’t think he should’ve been hung…America did not decide how he was to be executed.- Bekah Posted 12/30/2006 12:02 PM by BeKa28
You don’t receive your rights until 18. : Also, we do not have a right to life and the pursuit of happiness. That’s in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. Makes things confusing
Saddam was given a fair trial. He was found guilty and thus was put to death. The execution of a man guilty of henious crimes does not even begin to compare with taking the lives of our unborn children before they are even given a chance to breath.
Where is the trial for our un-born? Why do they not have any rights? Who will speak for them unless we do?
Excuse me, he had a fair trial? Three lawyers killed for him? Meaning he had not a single one? What about when the judge all of a sudden said “Your time is up, no more witnesses” for no reason? Why does a grown man have less rights than an unborn child, who have no rights and are, technically, under the control of a guardian?
because they’re idiot contradictory hypocrites.
assholes.
Am I the only one who is a bit disgusted that websites such as MSN have videos posted with the description of “Warning, graphic video: Saddam’s final moments”? Our country is trying to cultivate the opinion that we are the ‘civilized’ country that is taking down terrorists, but we’re hosting videos and an exorbatant amount of articles describing this man’s life and his execution. It seems to be a bit barbaric. Why couldn’t they have given the man a lethal injection, which seems to be the execution method of choice over here? Is it not violent enough? Or is it that it would not be shocking and revolting enough to please those who want to watch it, live in Bagdad or in video here?
Simply because someone was a heathen or a barbarian, it does not give anyone the right to respond with barbaric actions. I love my country, but I appalled that with all of our aid, we couldn’t provide a more humane way to end someone’s life when we have been basing our war on humanistic morals.
Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
Ha!
I don’t know!
as a pro-lifer i am against the murder of innocent babies who have no voice of their own. i’m in favor of the death penalty for those guilty of such crimes as saddam hussein. though i did shed some tears and prayed for his soul when i heard of his sentence.
I can’t believe people are defending him… I need to stop reading these posts..
We’re even more barbaric giving aid to Africa. Only prolonging the suffering
Dan,
Do you know the answer to this question? Or, do you form your opinions based on consensus? I would like to see you post on that topic. Is consensus Truth?
Because pro-life people are hypocrites, of course.
Because people are hypocrites. It’s the same people who are pro-war. Apparently grown men and women with actual rights are more important than a fetus. Hmm.
I’ve never heard a story about a baby killing anybody – premeditated and with the assitance of all the king’s men taking out hundreds in one fell swoop as just the tip of the iceburg named crimes against humanity. Although he was hanged for ordering the deaths of 148 men and boys, he’s ordered the deaths of hundreds of others as well. If he’ll do this to his own countrymen, if he had the resources he’d attempt to do worse to us. Even worse than he, himself, are the ideas which he represented, they’re up there with Stalin, Mousolini, and Hitler, even his own employees were afraid for their lives around him. Who wants a guy like that seeking nuclear weapons to use against the one nation not afraid to get over there and do something before he puts a hole the size of Texas somewhere in America? If he had been allowed to live life in prison, he’d preach his ideas to the next upcoming dictator, who would undoubtedly be even worse. Is it possible that we recognize that it is better for the ideas of a cold-blooded dictator/mass murderer to be taken down to his grave with him than to create another terrorist group with the same ideas hoping to kill their own citizens as much as anybody else who challenges and defies them?
good question
I’m not saying Saddam didn’t get what he deserved. In this case, it was right.
And who says the unborn child was innocent? A lot of people getting abortions are teenagers who had out-of-wedlock sex. Shouldn’t that make them, you know, sinful? Not innocent?
the death penalty doesn’t solve anything.
Sadam was a wicked man. He got what he deserved
Because the world has a bad case of stupid.
and he had it coming.
-Jacob
the death penalty doesn’t solve anything.
They weren’t trying to solve anything. They did it as punishment.
-Jacob
I’m anti-abortion, anti-capital punishment. However, Saddam Hussein took responsibility for his punishment. If he was put in prison for life, what if he would have escaped? What if he would have been set free if the government changed (can’t that happen)? He deserved what he got.
Because most of them are conservatives who realize that there is a difference between executing a mass murderer, and murdering a child.
Gooood question… I think a lot of conservative Christians (I don’t want to generalize, but that seems to be the common “group” that thinks this way) need to clarify what their church actually believes. Stop following a pre-set line of thought and letting your religion and/or political party decide for you. I’m not sure how you could believe both that capital punishment is right and that abortion is wrong… the term “pro-life” generally refers to those against abortion, but I think you should say you’re either pro- or anti-abortion. If you’re going to say you’re pro-life, I’m going to take it that you mean you are for protecting ALL forms of human life (and I won’t get into this now, but one could also argue to include all forms of life including animal, plant, etc.). To decide that it’s okay to kill some but fiercely protect others is hypocritical. I say, Jesus told us to show mercy to ALL. I recommend talking to a minister, looking in a catechism, etc. in order to clarify what exactly your religion thinks of both these topics. If the opinion is split, I’d be scared, and probably find a new church. I’m going to hazard a guess, though, and say that no religion that calls itself pro-life will also be for the death penalty. (Please correct me if I’m wrong.)
Abortion: The only way Conservatives don’t approve of killing people.
Pro-life (as in finding injustice in the deliberate killing of an innocent unborn baby) is consistent with pro-death-penalty (as in finding justice in the deliberate state-sponsored execution of a convicted mass murderer).
they release a video of a saddam being hanged but they wont let us see the footage of steve irwin dying?
As for my personal opinion, I’m pro-life. Anti-abortion and anti-capital punishment. Yes, there’s a difference between innocent babies and mass murderers, but are they not all human and, according to Jesus, deserve mercy? I don’t know the answers; I don’t know that humanity is capable of being merciful rather than strictly just. I think it’s up to God to decide punishment- “God’s ways are not our ways.” I don’t think that humans, being flawed, are able to show divine mercy all of the time. Something to aim for and to pray for, I think… other than that, i don’t know what the solution is. I wish we never had to execute anyone.
Bush Next!
Thank you for bringing up this question! I think the reason is that those who are pro-life while being pro-death penalty are probably either too willing to let others decide their values for them or confused about the substance of their beliefs. Think about it for a second: pro-life death penalty advocates.
because evil zobies brain washed thier minds to confuse us. Tryig to confuse this place…but seriously to confuse us.
Xx-Nicole-xX
i don’t know i wish t hat they weren’t. i am pro-life but not to the extreme. i also believe we shouldn’t have control over who lives and who dies, it is true that he did some horrible things, but God will punish him enough.
I am pro-life and against the death penalty iff society can be protected from the individual by putting them in jail. In the US there is never a need for the death penalty outside of combat, but in Iraq, I am not so sure. I do not know if a murderer could be expected to be safely kept in jail for life there. I am guess the answer is that it could not be done but that is a guess.
I dunno… hypocrites…
Then again, I am pro-choice and I don’t think Saddam should be killed. Yet again, I don’t think the fetus in a mother’s womb is technically alive, so it wouldn’t count as murder. Yet it would if you killed a living breathing man…
Then again, the people of Iraq shouldn’t have to pay for Saddam to live after all the torture he put them through… *thinks*
Okay, trap the man in a box, I still don’t want him to be killed but I don’t want the people in Iraq to have to pay for the man who tortured and killed their kin.
Whatever, I’m undecided on Saddam. But I’m pro-choice… so yeah. Hm… would I be a hypocrite too, despite what I believe of the fetus and the living…? I really don’t know.
WAIT I JUST SAW THE PICTURE, THEY’RE HANGING HIM!?
NO NO NO NO NO! THAT IS WAY TOO MUCH! DO A NICER DEATH, FOR GODS SAKE PEOPLE!
pro life is against killing innocent babies. Babies who haven’t even had a chance to make a mistake yet.
Captial punishment is for those who took the life or lives of people who didn’t deserve such a punishment.
In my view, it isn’t paradoxical or hypocritical to be in favor of capital punishment and be pro-life. The Bible is pretty clear about the stance believers should take on capital punishment for murderers and the value of human life. After God destroyed the world with the flood (because of the horrific sinfulness of man) He gave Noah and sons some instructions about what they could eat (animals were now fair game–no pun intended) and general instructions about repopulating the earth, including what should happen to troublemakers. Genesis 9, beginning in verse 4 says, “But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man. Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man.” I think that is fairly clear about what should happen to murderers. In addition, the book of Leviticus has legal provisions (safe cities) made for those who accidently kill others. God has it all figured out. We just need to read the Book.
Because most believe in an eye for an eye…as for abortion, not sure.
Why are there pro-choice people that are against the death penalty??? so they’re FOR the killing of BABIES?!?!?!!!!
That pretty much says it all. You can’t just single out the pro-lifers because pro-choicers are also hypocrites
Because both of those opinions are popular ones in today’s culture and people don’t want to make waves.
Pro-life specifically refers to being against abortion, not literally pro-life as in everyone should live, no matter if they’ve killed thousands of people. The unfortunate semantics of that phrase has people saying people who are pro-life but support the execution of Hussein are “hypocrites,” which couldn’t be further from the truth. People should be punished for the crimes they’ve committed. Babies who aren’t even born yet haven’t done anything wrong. I’m sure no one would suggest that Saddam Hussein was innocent.
I’m pro-choice and am in favor if him being hanged.
I believe in justice.
Dunno – you could always ask the reverse, how can pro-choice people be against the death penalty? In the end, abortion and execution are not the same thing, so to be for one and against the other is not as hypocritical as people make it out to be.
Signed, a pro-choice anti-death penalty person.
That sounds inconsistent at first, but actually it’s not. What I find inconsistent, on the other hand, is to be monolithically closed-minded to all and every instance of killing. Killing in itself is not wrong: in 99% of cases it is, but there is a place for everything, including the taking of life (an analogy is sex: 99% of the time sex is right, but that doesn’t make rape right too).
we’re not hypocrites. a baby has a sin nature. but it has not made it’s choices. it has not decided to kill, it has not decided to turn away from God and towards sin. it has not lived it’s life. someone facing the death penalty has lived his life and made his choices. he chose to kill, to rape or whatever he has done to gain such punishment.
Because they’re Republican…. lol
killing Saddam = pro-life
Those who are pro-life and pro-death penalty think like this…
Why take the life of a potentially innocent child? The child did nothing wrong, so it should not be punished for being conceived at a ‘bad’ time.
and
Why NOT take the life of a despicable criminal? What has the criminal done for society? Nothing but treacherous crimes. Why award the criminal by letting him/her live? You may argue that it’s not justice if you just kill them, but if you let them stay alive and just sit in jail or whatever for the rest of their lives, it’s natural for them to feel somewhat victorious.
killing Saddam is not even close to the same thing as killing innocent children. It’s sick and repulsive to even suggest such a idiotic thing. Saddam deserved what he got. Those children never did anything wrong.
Perhaps they are trying to rid the world of evil. Kill off the evil people, save the innocent people. However, if you allow the innocent people to grow up unwanted and unloved, then they aren’t so innocent anymore…
I think they should remember that even Saddam was once in utero.
Ah, here we come to the utter heart of hyprocritical Christianity, which drives masses away from itself every day–as Lenny Bruce said, everyday people are turning away from the church and going back to God.
I was always confused why those who were pro-life were for capital punishment.
Excellent observation Dan!
I’m so torn on this. I had so many emotions when I heard about it this morning. He was a horrible, evil man who did terrible things, but to hang to death just seems so…I don’t know, brutal. And people cheering and honking their horns in celebration? I mean, I can understand that but it still seems…I don’t know. The whole thing is just awful. Posted 12/30/2006 10:56 AM by SamsMom1004
He kills, they kill right back. Is that what they want? Revenge? I don’t think that makes them any better than him.
Simply because someone was a heathen or a barbarian, it does not give anyone the right to respond with barbaric actions. I love my country, but I appalled that with all of our aid, we couldn’t provide a more humane way to end someone’s life when we have been basing our war on humanistic morals.
Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
Posted 12/30/2006 12:13 PM by horsesrmylifeald
I agree. If the power was in my hands, I’d put him in prison and make sure that he did not influence others or escape.
I don’t understand why some people say he didn’t have a fair trail it was EXTREMELY obvious what he did…there’s no way around it.
Pro-life, anti-hanging. I defy you! Ha!
Course this whole hanging thing vexes me. I think we should be past capital punshiment by now…
Because a lot of them are hypocrites…like so many on the “right” side of the political spectrum.
I say prison is the better option. What worse life than to be a former dictator having someone telling you what you can and cannot do for most of your day? Dying is the easy way out.
because this guy killed a bunch of people, so getting rid of him (and mainly because we captured him) stops a whole buch of people from getting killed… anyways, being hanged is an extreme disgrace in his culture… so not only do we kill him, but we humiliate him as well!
apples and oranges……. “Save the unborn babies.” and “Execute mass murderers.” are two entirely different things, and I don’t think a person who believes both statements are in the least bit contradictory.
I think you should pose the opposite question too: why are those that are pro-choice often against capital punishment?
I am pro choice to make the world a safer place the innocent…
I am pro capital punishment for the same reason…
I am pro life. I don’t support the death penalty for any reason.
What did this change? Minutes after the hanging, a car bomb goes off!
It will only make matters worse.
Shalom!
I meant to say I am pro-choice
I’m prolife and anti-death penalty.
Who are so many people against the death penalty, but are pro-abortion? Or raise funds to protect animals (a worthy thing, I’m sure), but are pro-abortion?
BTW, that’s a horrible picture.
In general I am against capitol punishment, but this was more of a political strategy, IMO. In answering your question, I do understand the conservative Christian view, despite the fact that I am indeed the exact opposite (which many could say is hypocrisy but i have my reasons for it), and it’s for what many have already said – that a fetus is innocent, and that murderers who are tried and found guilty, are, well, usually guilty. Sometimes they aren’t though, which is why I am against capitol punishment. This one guy who was on death row for twenty years for no reason came to my school and talked about how horrible it was, which has successfully resolved my opinion on the subject. -David
I think the theory is execute one Saddam to save many lives — he was responsible for genocide.
Will fewer die now that Saddam is dead? Only the future will tell.
it depends on who that pro-life is for
Because it most closely agrees with God’s Law. The Old Testament Law required death for deliberate killing of innocent people. The New Covenant in the New Testament does NOT contravene that law; but grace allows forgiveness. WE DO NOT HAVE TO HURRY JUSTICE, BUT NEITHER DO WE NEED TO DELAY IT, WHEN IT IS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF JUSTICE. I am sorry that so many disagree with my position. There are even Catholic theologians who disagree with the death penalty, but they must answer when was the Law’s requirements changed? Because none of us are righteous, none of us can be fit to carry out Capitol Punishment? Nonsense. There have never been completely righteous people. We should, and did, carry out God’s requirement when Timothy McVey and Saddam were executed, as well as others. Just because mistakes can be made does not negate carrying out the law. We do not execute the innocent; we do not overlook the culpability of the guilty.
Haha yesssss! Because the “murder” of fetuses is farrrrr worse than the murder of a full grown man, correct?
Hahahaha.
Hm.
An eye for an eye will make us all blind…
“Who are so many people against the death penalty, but are pro-abortion? Or raise funds to protect animals (a worthy thing, I’m sure), but are pro-abortion?”
Because the death penalty is an eye for an eye, a killing of a person. I don’t care if that person is a murderer. We’re just stooping to their level and becoming murderers ourselves. (We being those in favor of it, that is.)
Abortion is the act of, well, aborting a fetus. A fetus. A fetussss. Not a full-grown, living person.
Because Saddam Hussein was a douchebag who killed many people.
Innocent, unborn babies don’t kill people.
I think if one wants more on this subject “theologians cafe” posted a follow-up. I would invite “suzmurphy” and “carrietale” and others to visit my own site “pb49r”. I plan to go further into this subject of Capitol Punishment.
we did not kill him!! the people he wronged killed him.
“if evil men were not now and then slain, it would not be a good world for weaponless dreamers” -Rudyard Kipling
I’m kind of just sitting on the fence.
I’m pro-life because I think that if you got pregnant, you should freaking take responsibility for your actions and raise that durn baby.
But I’m pro-choice because a baby shouldn’t have to grow up motherless if the mother is going to die or if the mother is going to be put in jail after having the baby. I’m also pro-choice because I think it’s probably the best idea for gaining control of the world’s overpopulation. Did you people know that we’ve already exceeded maximum capacity on Earth? We’re WAY over maximum capacity.
As for the execution side of things, I stand by letting them suffer with life in prison and no chance of parole. I think it’s way worse than just getting executed on the spot. Big deal, you die and forget about it.
“Abortion is the act of, well, aborting a fetus. A fetus. A fetussss. Not a full-grown, living person.”
We were all once a fetus.. now look at us.. talking out of our a@$es!
I’m wondering how we can make an intelligent opinion either way, we do not live in the culture where what you believe determines if your kidnappers will let you go or torture you before dumping your body somewhere in the city for all to see. We do not live in the culture where your boss might also be your murderer, where your neighbor might be just another martyr, or where your president might order everybody on your street to be killed just on a whim. We have no idea what it was like living all those years in a country at unrest in most every possible application of the word. This is their way of life to know that their next day might well be their last, and that’s assuming they make it through the rest of that day. Would your consious rest knowing that he still has supporters willing to do whatever it takes to bust him out of confinement at the cost of their own lives? Would you sleep well in the same city where he lives planning to destroy anybody who crosses him? Would you believe that all was well if he had been able to take revenge on his own citizens by the hundreds than to know that he will no longer harm a soul any more than the memory of his deeds to families forever torn? No, we cannot understand that fear is a constant friend and hope is hard to find in a place where nightmares happen each and every hour of the day that we will never be able to imagine. The news will not always report everything, some good things as well as some bad things must go unsaid. Just imagine what other things you don’t already know. This is just one dictator, not the first of a long list and not the last. How high will you allow a death toll to climb before you decide to take action? Will you take action only after somebody you personally knew was just another name on the casualty list? Of course, there’s always more than one way to do things, and they’re not always the best alternatives, but at least, they’re not the worst.
Executing criminals is totally different from murdering the innocent. It’s apples and oranges.
I’m pro-lific.
holy crap. i never realized what you meant. that’s like… the same fucking thing.
I think executing sadaam is a pro-life sort of act.
That’s because we have a strong sense of justice.
Innocent babies = shouldn’t be killed.
People who have murdered thousands of innocent people = death penalty.
I’m not pro-choice, but I was in favor of Sadam being hung.
But then on the news I saw the moments being led up to the point of him being hung, && I felt almost pity for him. He looked terrifed && not the usual stone face. he deserved to die, but I don’t nessacarly think it should have been carried out by hanging. It could have been carried out my lethal injection, but hanging people is normal punishment in some middle eastern countries..
Ahhh…”anewtone” said it for me.
Pro Life, I take to mean – anti-abortion – I am totally against killing unborn children who are innocent but Sadam??????? Please!
Im por life and i think killing Sadam is stupid. By killing him they are just making it easier for him and hes not really getting ounished for what he did. killing him was an easy way out. They should of kept him alive and in jail for the rest of his life by himself in a dark room. That way he would have nothing to do but wait for his death.
I’m pro-life and anti-death penalty, because this exact hypocrisy of which you speak has always bugged me.
However, if I had to choose between being pro-life and anti-death penalty, I’d choose pro-life. I agree with XristosAnesti:
“Perhaps we should ask why the people who are against killing Saddam are all for letting people kill their children.”
i think that makes perfect sense… keep babies alive, execute international criminal.
no?
besides the obvious hypocritcal nature of some people..
(not being mean, just honest)
many support the beginning of untainted life and the ending of tainted life.
kinda dumb innit? i mean, life is life and we should all be free to live it in the very best ways.
screw it, quality over quantity any day.
“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.” And you may quote…whoever first said it.
> ‘Cause Saddam is anti-life and….. ’nuff said…
Peace
I think their argument is that an unborn baby is innocent while Saddam is…not. Which I understand. I’m kind of the opposite though, so I shouldn’t judge. I’m anti-death penalty but pro-choice. Even though I lean pretty far to to pro-life side (I would never have an abortion EVER, but I don’t want to tell other people how to live)
Why go to start when you want to shut off?
I am pro-death, no exceptions. Killing people is doing them a favor, because then they get to go to Heaven!
As Bill Hicks once thought, instead of having all these abortions, we should just give these babies to all the pro-life people and let them take care of em.
As for the question, that’s just your typical white christian person, all for the death penalty against abortion. But then again if it wasn’t for capital punishment, we’d have no Easter, so fuck it, that’s a three day weekend.
I dunno about most people, but for me, pro-life is about sparing the innocent and execution is about the opposite…..its all about innocence, some got it, some dont. Even a baby at just 2 weeks gestation is a baby but a lawless sinner must pay for their crime and as a bonus the world doesnt have to live with them anymore…it’s biblical…both counts.
Lol, its like the same thing as a humanitarian war I suppose.
pro-lifers typically are against innocent lives (such as babies) being destroyed, but at least with the death penalty the guilty person is put through a fair trial, and found guilty by his peers.
As for the hanging, consider what saddam did to countless thousands of innocent people in his country, is it acceptable to disshonor their lives by not showing an ounce of the same measure of brutality shown to them?
Because Christianity is full of loop holes and contradictions.
I think the ones you speak of are pro-unborn life. Real people who have been born are a dime a dozen.
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I don’t think it is a conscious case of hypocrisy. I suspect think they have created very “emotion” based claims of pro-life, it “sounds” right after all, but have never completely thought through just what that stance really means. You can’t be pro-life and pro-death. You can adopt a stance of “situational ethics,” which is a philosophy that put conservative Christian’s tails in a “major” knot back in the 60′s.
There are really only 3 choices.
Pro-life: don’t kill anything or anybody
Pro-death: killing is justified.
Situational Ethics: Right and wrong can vary from situation to situation and individual to individual. There is no “absolute” right or wrong apart from the situation in which it occurs.
no one benefited from this.
that is a question i ask my civics teacher all the time. it can also be backwards. democrats are fine with abortion but dont want people exucuted. I find it very confusing and hypocritical.
Unsure, but good question.
Cuz we’re cool like that.
Really though, should a man (or baby) be punished for his parents actions? Should an adult be punished for his OWN actions?
Because they don’t know what pro-life means, obviously. Either that or they’re just plain hypocritical. You can be anti-abortion, and be fine with Saddam’s hanging, but pro-life? No. Just look at the word. Those in favor of Saddam’s execution seem pretty pro-death to me..
I dont know–I’m pro-choice.
~m/
how do you know that
that’s called hypocrisy
i’m pro life and i’m against capital punishment..
i guess the argument is that unborn babies are innocent and capital punishment is for very un innocent ppl..
but i say that their both killing…capital punishment is killing…and is kind of hypocritical ….u killed ppl so to show u that thats very wrong we’re gonna kill u….only God has the right to take life away
idk.
I sometimes wonder if people think issues all the way through. I am not so sure that we shouldn’t have siezed Saddam for crimes against the US and just locked him up for life in a Federal prison. That way God could have taken him anytime He wanted to and we would have no blood on our own hands. Old Saddam would have had time to repend and become an evangelical Christian and write some books and such.
L,r
I’m not for killing anything, unless it is necessary for the survival of others. There is a lot of gray area in which each individual case must be examined.
Well.
Babies haven’t killed people.
Dan, I’m sorry, but that was a stupid question.
I agree that it’s because un-born babies are innocent and Saddam is not. But, it’s also interesting to point out that many of these conservatives are pro-war. This war has killed thousands of innocent people. Now, that, is hypocrisy.
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To save more people with the sacrifice of one, perhaps.
Because we are weird people.
I’ve never understood why conservative christians are so much in favor of the death penalty. Not that I’m going to miss Saddam though.
I am pro life and I am also against capital punishment……….but those who favor saving the unborn understand – that the unborn are truly innocent……And those condemed to die have at least had a trial.
I’m pro-life and I basically don’t know how I feel about the execution, or the death penalty in general. I’ve been taught that it’s right my whole life, but I’m just not sure. So I guess I’m an exception.
Hypocrisy?
Pro life is kiling innocent people
however, i am all for capital punishment because they deserve what they did
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because babies are innocent and saddam is not?
Posted 12/30/2006 9:50 AM by justwandering
ha. i like that one.
because babies are innocent and saddam is not?
Good point.
that execution was a terrible thing and should never have happened. they hung a man, not gave him a shot or anything civil in the least (a shot is by no means civil, but it is better than hanging). And now we will slowly watch as a video leeks to the net and our country is enamoured by the death of a man by hanging, sitting on the edge of their seats waiting desperatly to hear his neck snap one last time. God bless America. but im pro-choice…so i guess i shouldnt be commenting.
Derek
I have no idea. How does killing another person make the death of others better?
haha
viva capital punishment
as for the question… no comment
PRO-LIFE= Abortion is the murder of innocent babies. There’s a difference between an innocent baby and a hateful evil man who’s commited murder. Like I have said a few times before, Jesus did not come down to condemn the laws but to fulfill them. In alot of places, the law is if you murder someone, you’re punishable by death penalty (an eye for an eye, blah blah)
Babies don’t commit crimes against humanity! huge difference, so it’s not a contradiction in my opinion at all.
Why are there pro-choice people that are against death penalty??? so they’re FOR the killing of BABIES?!?!?!!!!
(I’ll jump off the soapbox now, Im very passionate about being pro-life, obviously)
I’m pro-choice and against capital punishment, but I was still glad to see him go, I have to say….
Saddam Hussein, by virtue of his actions, has sacrificed his own right to live.
Cute little babies haven’t done that. Yet they’re killed in far greater numbers than murderers are. Why is that, do you think? It’s easier to give a baby the death sentence with no crime than it is to give the same to a convicted murderer…
because he is “evil” and people who you know just commit murder once, well they can live………
I dont know…… our world is full of hypocrisy.
How can we not be “sure” about this execution? I am disgusted at how long it took them to finally “decide.” Look what the guy did! DUH you actually have to “think” about it!? Gah.
good question.
i do not consider capital punishment proponents to be pro life . they do, but I think it is hypocrisy and a lot of denial, therefore I do not take them seriously.
Perhaps we should ask why the people who are against killing Saddam are all for letting people kill their children.
because we recognize the profound difference between punishment of the guilty and murder of the innocent.
Im sorry to some up there and those who will be down below, but the question is not is abortion ethical. Im sure that will be posted at one time, lets try to rant at least about the subject at hand.
Derek
Babies are of course innocent and have a right to their life. Abortion is a crime by the parents. Saddam knowingly and willingly had so many tortured, terrorized and killed. I believe that killing him was actually way to kind.
I’m anti-abortion, but not pro-life in all cases. Hmm…I’m pro-Jesus, and that’s about it.
The question in reverse is just as interesting: Why are those who are for the murder of innocent babies against the death penalty of convicted murderers? Oh wait, that just answered my question.
Perhaps we should ask why the people who are against killing Saddam are all for letting people kill their children.
Amen
fetus’ are a tad bit different than a human being, one has a soul (as deemed by the catholic church) and one has not received their soul yet. The one feels pain, emotion, knows what an adreninlin rush is, the other feels nothing, knows nothing. Thats the difference.
Derek
sadaam was deliberate in his evil actions. a fetus has no choice. the question would then be: “if you are truly pro-choice then why does the fetus have no choice?”
It is the same way all across the board, a lot of people who wouldn’t kill a hamster (REMEMBER THAT?????) support abortions.Go figure!
thats a darn good question.
come on cant you see different people’s lives hold different value…makes perfect sense!
please note the sarcasm here.
because prolifers are hypocritical.
I’m not for killing people. I’m not for killing unborn children either, but I’m also not for taking legal action against those who are.
I imagine that so many people are pro life and pro capital punishment because of reasons other folks stated. Besides, you can’t have the enjoyment of killing criminals if you’ve killed them before they’ve done anything wrong.
I often wonder that myself. Life is sacred in all cases. But, I really don’t know. People typically like the idea of revenge. I think that has something to do with it.
maybe saddam wouldn’t of been here if his mad hadn’t been pro life….. ha. kidding. This whole arguement can go in circles. I can see where both arguments can be right. I see murder has wrong… but I don’t know where the line is drawn, when is it murder and when is it in the best interest of the baby…?…I dont think anyone else knows either.
Because Republicans are hypocritical, dumb-ass tards.
i.e. our president!
No one deserves death, but pro-life doesn’t make sense in the first place, i.e. a woman who is raped in an alleyway, and is left with a baby, of course pro-life people, and the church will excuse that, just adding fuel to the fire how some people ::cough, cough:: Pro-life, Christian, republicans!!!! ::cough, cough:: are so freaking hypocritical.
Innocence versus guilt.
Good riddance, Saddaam. Dirty coward, dragged all the way from his hole in the ground to the gallows.
Well, first I wouldn’t compare abortion to the execution of a person like Saddam. Either way, I’m pro-choice and I was for the execution of Saddam.
Because we attempt to follow what we believe is JUST.
Two different topics. Pro life today refers to the issue of abortion and you well know it. That has nothing to do with the execution of a mass murderer. Shame one you for even asking. Shame!!!
Yeah, hypocricy. I’m pro-life and I believe that if Saddam was to be killed, alot of other world leaders should be to. *shrugs*
Which by the way you can be pro-choice, support the death penalty and still be a good Christian and a Republican….. Just because Republicans are “known” for being against abortion, doesn’t mean we all think the same… I would be willing to vote Democrat if I knew that the candidate was actually going to take care of our military…
because the death penalty is, as a definition, a penalty. being pro life means that you just don’t want innocent babies killed.
Because “pro-life” is a misnomer. Better to say, pro-responsibility.
there is a difference– pro-life vs capital punishment
abortion kills the innocent where as capital punishment imposes a sentence of death to a person who sat through a trial and found guilty of crimes committed.
Saddam Hussein, by virtue of his actions, has sacrificed his own right to live.
Cute little babies haven’t done that. Yet they’re killed in far greater numbers than murderers are. Why is that, do you think? It’s easier to give a baby the death sentence with no crime than it is to give the same to a convicted murderer…
Posted 12/30/2006 10:00 AM by XristosAnesti
agreed–nuff said
Because “pro-life” is a misnomer. Better to say, pro-responsibility.
Posted 12/30/2006 10:32 AM by Soultender
amen
I’m pro-life, and not in favor of it. But it makes me less uneasy than abortion.
Hypocrisy.
Also, why are most for the pro-lifers also pro-war?
You can’t have it both ways.
It’s semantics. Most people who call themselves “pro-life” are often just “anti-abortion”. They are against killing innocent, unborn babies and in favor of executing murderous villains. The difference seems pretty obvious to me.
Because babies are innocent and haven’t done anything yet. While Saddam has “earned” his “reward”.
I have no clue.
-KrIsTiN-
No fetus is innocent. Damn you original sin!
I’m so torn on this. I had so many emotions when I heard about it this morning. He was a horrible, evil man who did terrible things, but to hang to death just seems so…I don’t know, brutal. And people cheering and honking their horns in celebration? I mean, I can understand that but it still seems…I don’t know. The whole thing is just awful.
Most pro-lifers I know are also conservative politically…republicans…they support the Bush admin (or at least they voted for him and did support him at one time) and they support the war in Iraq….so..
Humans are all hypocrits. Every last Goddamned one of us.
Good question. Are you implying that Prolife people are crazy? Freaks? Weird? Not stating my opinion in anyway here. I’d hate to be bombed because of an opinion.
fetus’ are a tad bit different than a human being, one has a soul (as deemed by the catholic church) and one has not received their soul yet. The one feels pain, emotion, knows what an adreninlin rush is, the other feels nothing, knows nothing. Thats the difference.
Derek
Posted 12/30/2006 10:07 AM by drock19901309
Well, hasn’t the Catholic Church made quite a few mistakes recently? i.e., molestation of children? What they say is not what all Christians believe. Why is it ethical to take the life of a child who has never seen the world? Then again, I guess it’s easier to do so in the first trimester, when the fetus doesn’t even look like a baby yet. A little less guilt, because there’s no face. Sorry, rambling. But just because the Catholic Church says so doesn’t mean it’s true. There are many different types of abortion, some which are extremely cruel, and when the baby is finally stillborn, you can see the pain and suffering in their faces. They do feel pain. However, all of this is still unconsequential because obviously they have done nothing wrong. They are innocent, clean. Capital punishment is saved for those who have committed crimes of a terrible nature, they have taken the life of someone else, and now it is their turn.
execution is usually deserved. Abortion is not. the child did nothing wrong where the criminal has done some of the worst.
I’m pro-choice and I eat eggs, and I don’t care if Saddam is dead or alive. The man lost power years ago, and his hanging is only another finger from the Christian world to the Moslem world.
The unborn human beings killed in abortions are innocent and are put to death without a fair trial and usually no one is around to defend them when the abortion takes place. In the case of American-style justice, which is based on Biblical principles found mainly in the book of Deutoronomy, the plaintiff is allowed to argue his or her innocence and then a jury decides their fate. If they are found guilty and sentenced to death, then their case is automatically heard by an appeals court. The death is at the hand of the government and not in the hands of individuals. The reason the executioners wear masks is to hide their identity because they are representing the government and not themselves at the time of the death. We have fought many wars to end tyrannical rule and the ability of people like Saddam to kill without allowing a fair trial. The whole issue of life is a difficult one to argue because so many people argue it emotionally and not logically. It is impossible to logically compare the killing of an innocent unborn human being with the government execution of a convicted murderer. The argument to try and compare them is based solely on emotion.
’cause babies didn’t gas hundreds of thousands of innocent people
because they’re hypocrites and haven’t read the bible w/ too much thought..no offense, lol
Because protecting the innocent and protecting the guilty are two totally different things.
Well, they’re just angry hypocrits.
un-born babies who are helpless can’t and don’t kill people. Sadam on the other hand, does kill people.
Glad to see you’re back from fighting crime on your secret service business trip with your family at the Mexican ski lodge
well there is no relationship between the two, sadam was a bigot who killed god knows how many people and allowed the rapings of so many women and tortured many people as well. where as being pro life, im just against abortion in the cases where the mother was a whore and just slept around with people and didnt want to take responsibility. if the mother’s life is at risk or if it a women that has been raped, then i think abortion should be allowed.
To my Dear Friend yodaliciousone,
I never did say the Catholic church had final say, I was merely pointing out that a blatant following of pro-life claimed there is no soul until the second trimester. Abortion is completly different than the death penatly, or hanging. Abortion can be wrong, when we inflict pain, which is illegal let me remind you. But while the baby is still a fetus and feels nothing it is not wrong. There is no regocnition of death, life, feelings. Secondly I would like to point out the law (i dont know the name and this argument isnt worth me googling it) that states when a person/child/minor is unable or not yet capable to decide their life (when they are in a comma, dieing, ect.) it is the guardians decision. It is not wrong for that guardian to end the life. It is what they see as the best way.
Now on to the hanging yodaliciousone,
Hanging someone is wrong, Im sure we can both agree on this. If they were to kill Sadam there are more ethical ways. Celebrating a death is wrong. Again, I am sure we can say this is common ground. A public death in which the condemned is mocked in death and dies in pain in front of their country is unethical. This may or may not be common ground. The death sentence. It is unethical. In religous terms it is the maiming of God’s image. In nonrelgious terms it is ending a life. Either way, religious or non religious this should disturb you.
Again in religious and non religous points, let us look at the men and women Sadam killed. 148 to be found guilty. Religiously we should look at his preservation of life behind bars as a second chance because everyone deserves a second chance, if you are not religous then put him behind bars because it is more painful than death itself. Death, as noted in those against suicide, is the quick way out.
So abortion is different than execution by hanging.
And now I leave you to retalliate with your writhing type writer and your stinging words yodaliciousone,
Sincerly,
Derek
killing is killing, period. I am not in favor of any of it.
pro-life meaning for the innocent, you idiot.
because babies are innocent and hussein wasn’t? just a guess
Anyone that has a problem understanding the differences between murder and killing. And betweeen executing murders, and drilling a hole in the head of a fully developed but unborn baby.
Well they have the intellect of a Sea Cucumber, and like a Sea Cucumber, it does no good to argue with them. Just let them mop the drool off their key boards, and continue typing their “thoughts”.
yeah. thats kinda what i was wondering too. he seemed like a nice guy in the dream i had last night. but obviously thats not the real world
I wonder if haylbop21 at lest tastes good as a Sea Cucumber?
theres a big difference, murdering an unborn child vs giving justice to all those that saddam wronged, he deserved what he got.
Like a lot of people have stated.
A baby is innocent.
Saddam has had a trial and been pronounced guilty.
The reason they can be pro-life and for capitol punishment, is because there’s a difference. Pro-life has to do with unborn children, babies.
Saddam Hussein’s execution has to do with a man who’s commited great crimes, gone to trial for them, and been found guilty.
I’m pro-choice and pro-death penalty. I know the exeption to the rule; a lot of us pro-choicers are against the death penalty.
abortion isn’t about killing a bunch of cells that science has called a fetus/baby/zygote. Its about having a choice on what to do with your life and body.
The fact that we have to ask this question is sad for our society… I have no remorse or respect for those that do not value the life of another person.. take that how you want!
You have asked this question over and over again. I’ll give you the same answer again because the answer does not change.
Innocent babies in the womb do not murder. Saddam, a grown man who can make choices, chose to murder thousands of people, not just the 148 that he was found guilty of murdering. He is EVIL. A baby in the womb is an innocent life. There is NO comparison of wanting an innocent unborn baby to be born and a man who killed innocent people to die for his crime against humanity.
How can pro choice people want innocent babies killed in the womb and yet want someone like Saddam to continue to live even though he has murdered thousands?
I suppose it is because many of those who call themselves pro life are hypocritical about it. I don’t think anyone who is truly pro life can be for the death penalty.
Like everyone else said….babies don’t commit crimes.
But I’m not pro-life…and I’m up for capital punishment.
Saddam = terrible dictator and murderer
Unborn Child = innocent child
Saddam << Unborn Child
i’m pro-life.
very pro-life.
anddddddd i’m against capital punishment.
lead_mare,
Now if we are truly good citizens of the U.S.A. we all know that no one is guilty until proven guilty. Sadam was found guilty for 148 lives. All prejustices aside thats all he was killed for, the death of 148 people. You cannot claim he is evil because you did not see it, you were not a witness, all the information you have is from the media who in turn did not see it, did not witness it, their information is from the iraqi people. How far back does this line go? Where can we decipher the truth from rumor of the devil incarnate? How do we know what he did?
The only thing that is safe for assuming is that he killed 148 people, no argument. It is his right, although dead.
Derek
I’m pro choice… and I think that he should have been tortured more. eh, I’m cruel… and as far as the pro life people wanting his death… I believe they are practicing oxymoronism.
I think the best answer should be: “I’ll answer that if you tell me why people who are most opposed to executing a mass murderer are also in favor of killing unborn babies.”
(Now that I think about it, that kind of explains itself.)
“abortion isn’t about killing a bunch of cells that science has called a fetus/baby/zygote. Its about having a choice on what to do with your life and body.”
I’ve never heard it put that way.. so abortion really isn’t about killing unborn babies (or whatever that whole “science” thing calls it).. why isn’t prostitution legal, in using this theory it should be because everyone has a right to do what they want with their life and body.. I also think we should be able to walk around naked and smoke joints.. I know I sound ridiculous.. but I am merely using the above theory… Every Country should adopt this new theory.. I’m in favor, but I am Canadian, what do I know, we do as we please anyway!
Unborn babies and fetuses are innocent, and I’m pro life to some extent. If the mother was a whore and just slept around then I’m against it. But if giving birth causes danger, that a C-section can’t fix or, to her or the baby then I’m for it.
I think that death for Saddam was the easy way out for him. He should have suffered a bit for killing all of those people
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haha long live canada
I’m not. I’m all for abortion. Against capital punishment. I’m what people call “Liberal” but I hate Democrats. And Republicans.
because they’re being hypocrites. abortion eliminates the possibility of a clump of cells becoming a human. the death penalty kills a human, who is already undeniably alive.
People are supposed to be given a right to life and the pursuit of happiness. Killing babies before they’re born gives them neither. Saddam was given a chance and lost it by taking the lives of many innocent people and he deserved to be punished for that. Also for people who say they don’t think he should’ve been hung…America did not decide how he was to be executed.- Bekah
How can pro choice people want innocent babies killed in the womb and yet want someone like Saddam to continue to live even though he has murdered thousands?
Posted 12/30/2006 11:46 AM by lead_mare
Because he has lived. He is in between unbirth and death. Death is the lack of feeling any emotions, to be shut down. So is unbirth. It’s because he is a Human being very similar to all of us, more so than an undeveloped baby fetus
People are supposed to be given a right to life and the pursuit of happiness. Killing babies before they’re born gives them neither. Saddam was given a chance and lost it by taking the lives of many innocent people and he deserved to be punished for that. Also for people who say they don’t think he should’ve been hung…America did not decide how he was to be executed.- Bekah
Posted 12/30/2006 12:02 PM by BeKa28
You don’t receive your rights until 18. : Also, we do not have a right to life and the pursuit of happiness. That’s in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. Makes things confusing
Saddam was given a fair trial. He was found guilty and thus was put to death. The execution of a man guilty of henious crimes does not even begin to compare with taking the lives of our unborn children before they are even given a chance to breath.
Where is the trial for our un-born? Why do they not have any rights? Who will speak for them unless we do?
Excuse me, he had a fair trial? Three lawyers killed for him? Meaning he had not a single one? What about when the judge all of a sudden said “Your time is up, no more witnesses” for no reason? Why does a grown man have less rights than an unborn child, who have no rights and are, technically, under the control of a guardian?
because they’re idiot contradictory hypocrites.
assholes.
Am I the only one who is a bit disgusted that websites such as MSN have videos posted with the description of “Warning, graphic video: Saddam’s final moments”? Our country is trying to cultivate the opinion that we are the ‘civilized’ country that is taking down terrorists, but we’re hosting videos and an exorbatant amount of articles describing this man’s life and his execution. It seems to be a bit barbaric. Why couldn’t they have given the man a lethal injection, which seems to be the execution method of choice over here? Is it not violent enough? Or is it that it would not be shocking and revolting enough to please those who want to watch it, live in Bagdad or in video here?
Simply because someone was a heathen or a barbarian, it does not give anyone the right to respond with barbaric actions. I love my country, but I appalled that with all of our aid, we couldn’t provide a more humane way to end someone’s life when we have been basing our war on humanistic morals.
Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
Ha!
I don’t know!
as a pro-lifer i am against the murder of innocent babies who have no voice of their own. i’m in favor of the death penalty for those guilty of such crimes as saddam hussein. though i did shed some tears and prayed for his soul when i heard of his sentence.
I can’t believe people are defending him… I need to stop reading these posts..
We’re even more barbaric giving aid to Africa. Only prolonging the suffering
Dan,
Do you know the answer to this question? Or, do you form your opinions based on consensus? I would like to see you post on that topic. Is consensus Truth?
Creed_of_Kings
Because pro-life people are hypocrites, of course.
Because people are hypocrites. It’s the same people who are pro-war. Apparently grown men and women with actual rights are more important than a fetus. Hmm.
I’ve never heard a story about a baby killing anybody – premeditated and with the assitance of all the king’s men taking out hundreds in one fell swoop as just the tip of the iceburg named crimes against humanity. Although he was hanged for ordering the deaths of 148 men and boys, he’s ordered the deaths of hundreds of others as well. If he’ll do this to his own countrymen, if he had the resources he’d attempt to do worse to us. Even worse than he, himself, are the ideas which he represented, they’re up there with Stalin, Mousolini, and Hitler, even his own employees were afraid for their lives around him. Who wants a guy like that seeking nuclear weapons to use against the one nation not afraid to get over there and do something before he puts a hole the size of Texas somewhere in America? If he had been allowed to live life in prison, he’d preach his ideas to the next upcoming dictator, who would undoubtedly be even worse. Is it possible that we recognize that it is better for the ideas of a cold-blooded dictator/mass murderer to be taken down to his grave with him than to create another terrorist group with the same ideas hoping to kill their own citizens as much as anybody else who challenges and defies them?
good question
I’m not saying Saddam didn’t get what he deserved. In this case, it was right.
And who says the unborn child was innocent? A lot of people getting abortions are teenagers who had out-of-wedlock sex. Shouldn’t that make them, you know, sinful? Not innocent?
the death penalty doesn’t solve anything.
Sadam was a wicked man. He got what he deserved
Because the world has a bad case of stupid.
and he had it coming.
-Jacob
the death penalty doesn’t solve anything.
They weren’t trying to solve anything. They did it as punishment.
-Jacob
I’m anti-abortion, anti-capital punishment. However, Saddam Hussein took responsibility for his punishment. If he was put in prison for life, what if he would have escaped? What if he would have been set free if the government changed (can’t that happen)? He deserved what he got.
Because most of them are conservatives who realize that there is a difference between executing a mass murderer, and murdering a child.
Gooood question… I think a lot of conservative Christians (I don’t want to generalize, but that seems to be the common “group” that thinks this way) need to clarify what their church actually believes. Stop following a pre-set line of thought and letting your religion and/or political party decide for you. I’m not sure how you could believe both that capital punishment is right and that abortion is wrong… the term “pro-life” generally refers to those against abortion, but I think you should say you’re either pro- or anti-abortion. If you’re going to say you’re pro-life, I’m going to take it that you mean you are for protecting ALL forms of human life (and I won’t get into this now, but one could also argue to include all forms of life including animal, plant, etc.). To decide that it’s okay to kill some but fiercely protect others is hypocritical. I say, Jesus told us to show mercy to ALL. I recommend talking to a minister, looking in a catechism, etc. in order to clarify what exactly your religion thinks of both these topics. If the opinion is split, I’d be scared, and probably find a new church. I’m going to hazard a guess, though, and say that no religion that calls itself pro-life will also be for the death penalty. (Please correct me if I’m wrong.)
Abortion: The only way Conservatives don’t approve of killing people.
Pro-life (as in finding injustice in the deliberate killing of an innocent unborn baby) is consistent with pro-death-penalty (as in finding justice in the deliberate state-sponsored execution of a convicted mass murderer).
they release a video of a saddam being hanged but they wont let us see the footage of steve irwin dying?
As for my personal opinion, I’m pro-life. Anti-abortion and anti-capital punishment. Yes, there’s a difference between innocent babies and mass murderers, but are they not all human and, according to Jesus, deserve mercy? I don’t know the answers; I don’t know that humanity is capable of being merciful rather than strictly just. I think it’s up to God to decide punishment- “God’s ways are not our ways.” I don’t think that humans, being flawed, are able to show divine mercy all of the time. Something to aim for and to pray for, I think… other than that, i don’t know what the solution is. I wish we never had to execute anyone.
Bush Next!
Thank you for bringing up this question! I think the reason is that those who are pro-life while being pro-death penalty are probably either too willing to let others decide their values for them or confused about the substance of their beliefs. Think about it for a second: pro-life death penalty advocates.
because evil zobies brain washed thier minds to confuse us. Tryig to confuse this place…but seriously to confuse us.
Xx-Nicole-xX
i don’t know i wish t hat they weren’t. i am pro-life but not to the extreme. i also believe we shouldn’t have control over who lives and who dies, it is true that he did some horrible things, but God will punish him enough.
I am pro-life and against the death penalty iff society can be protected from the individual by putting them in jail. In the US there is never a need for the death penalty outside of combat, but in Iraq, I am not so sure. I do not know if a murderer could be expected to be safely kept in jail for life there. I am guess the answer is that it could not be done but that is a guess.
I dunno… hypocrites…
Then again, I am pro-choice and I don’t think Saddam should be killed. Yet again, I don’t think the fetus in a mother’s womb is technically alive, so it wouldn’t count as murder. Yet it would if you killed a living breathing man…
Then again, the people of Iraq shouldn’t have to pay for Saddam to live after all the torture he put them through… *thinks*
Okay, trap the man in a box, I still don’t want him to be killed but I don’t want the people in Iraq to have to pay for the man who tortured and killed their kin.
Whatever, I’m undecided on Saddam. But I’m pro-choice… so yeah.
Hm… would I be a hypocrite too, despite what I believe of the fetus and the living…?
I really don’t know.
WAIT I JUST SAW THE PICTURE, THEY’RE HANGING HIM!?
NO NO NO NO NO! THAT IS WAY TOO MUCH! DO A NICER DEATH, FOR GODS SAKE PEOPLE!
pro life is against killing innocent babies. Babies who haven’t even had a chance to make a mistake yet.
Captial punishment is for those who took the life or lives of people who didn’t deserve such a punishment.
In my view, it isn’t paradoxical or hypocritical to be in favor of capital punishment and be pro-life. The Bible is pretty clear about the stance believers should take on capital punishment for murderers and the value of human life. After God destroyed the world with the flood (because of the horrific sinfulness of man) He gave Noah and sons some instructions about what they could eat (animals were now fair game–no pun intended) and general instructions about repopulating the earth, including what should happen to troublemakers. Genesis 9, beginning in verse 4 says, “But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man. Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man.” I think that is fairly clear about what should happen to murderers. In addition, the book of Leviticus has legal provisions (safe cities) made for those who accidently kill others. God has it all figured out. We just need to read the Book.
Because most believe in an eye for an eye…as for abortion, not sure.
Why are there pro-choice people that are against the death penalty??? so they’re FOR the killing of BABIES?!?!?!!!!
Posted 12/30/2006 9:58 AM by WiLD4SURFiNG
That pretty much says it all. You can’t just single out the pro-lifers because pro-choicers are also hypocrites
Because both of those opinions are popular ones in today’s culture and people don’t want to make waves.
Pro-life specifically refers to being against abortion, not literally pro-life as in everyone should live, no matter if they’ve killed thousands of people. The unfortunate semantics of that phrase has people saying people who are pro-life but support the execution of Hussein are “hypocrites,” which couldn’t be further from the truth. People should be punished for the crimes they’ve committed. Babies who aren’t even born yet haven’t done anything wrong. I’m sure no one would suggest that Saddam Hussein was innocent.
I’m pro-choice and am in favor if him being hanged.
I believe in justice.
Dunno – you could always ask the reverse, how can pro-choice people be against the death penalty? In the end, abortion and execution are not the same thing, so to be for one and against the other is not as hypocritical as people make it out to be.
Signed, a pro-choice anti-death penalty person.
That sounds inconsistent at first, but actually it’s not. What I find inconsistent, on the other hand, is to be monolithically closed-minded to all and every instance of killing. Killing in itself is not wrong: in 99% of cases it is, but there is a place for everything, including the taking of life (an analogy is sex: 99% of the time sex is right, but that doesn’t make rape right too).
we’re not hypocrites. a baby has a sin nature. but it has not made it’s choices. it has not decided to kill, it has not decided to turn away from God and towards sin. it has not lived it’s life. someone facing the death penalty has lived his life and made his choices. he chose to kill, to rape or whatever he has done to gain such punishment.
Because they’re Republican…. lol
killing Saddam = pro-life
Those who are pro-life and pro-death penalty think like this…
Why take the life of a potentially innocent child? The child did nothing wrong, so it should not be punished for being conceived at a ‘bad’ time.
and
Why NOT take the life of a despicable criminal? What has the criminal done for society? Nothing but treacherous crimes. Why award the criminal by letting him/her live? You may argue that it’s not justice if you just kill them, but if you let them stay alive and just sit in jail or whatever for the rest of their lives, it’s natural for them to feel somewhat victorious.
killing Saddam is not even close to the same thing as killing innocent children. It’s sick and repulsive to even suggest such a idiotic thing. Saddam deserved what he got. Those children never did anything wrong.
Perhaps they are trying to rid the world of evil. Kill off the evil people, save the innocent people. However, if you allow the innocent people to grow up unwanted and unloved, then they aren’t so innocent anymore…
I think they should remember that even Saddam was once in utero.
Ah, here we come to the utter heart of hyprocritical Christianity, which drives masses away from itself every day–as Lenny Bruce said, everyday people are turning away from the church and going back to God.
I was always confused why those who were pro-life were for capital punishment.
Excellent observation Dan!
I’m so torn on this. I had so many emotions when I heard about it this morning. He was a horrible, evil man who did terrible things, but to hang to death just seems so…I don’t know, brutal. And people cheering and honking their horns in celebration? I mean, I can understand that but it still seems…I don’t know. The whole thing is just awful.
Posted 12/30/2006 10:56 AM by SamsMom1004
He kills, they kill right back. Is that what they want? Revenge? I don’t think that makes them any better than him.
Simply because someone was a heathen or a barbarian, it does not give anyone the right to respond with barbaric actions. I love my country, but I appalled that with all of our aid, we couldn’t provide a more humane way to end someone’s life when we have been basing our war on humanistic morals.
Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
Posted 12/30/2006 12:13 PM by horsesrmylifeald
I agree. If the power was in my hands, I’d put him in prison and make sure that he did not influence others or escape.
I don’t understand why some people say he didn’t have a fair trail it was EXTREMELY obvious what he did…there’s no way around it.
Pro-life, anti-hanging. I defy you! Ha!
Course this whole hanging thing vexes me. I think we should be past capital punshiment by now…
Because a lot of them are hypocrites…like so many on the “right” side of the political spectrum.
I say prison is the better option. What worse life than to be a former dictator having someone telling you what you can and cannot do for most of your day? Dying is the easy way out.
because this guy killed a bunch of people, so getting rid of him (and mainly because we captured him) stops a whole buch of people from getting killed… anyways, being hanged is an extreme disgrace in his culture… so not only do we kill him, but we humiliate him as well!
apples and oranges……. “Save the unborn babies.” and “Execute mass murderers.” are two entirely different things, and I don’t think a person who believes both statements are in the least bit contradictory.
I think you should pose the opposite question too: why are those that are pro-choice often against capital punishment?
I am pro choice to make the world a safer place the innocent…
I am pro capital punishment for the same reason…
I am pro life. I don’t support the death penalty for any reason.
What did this change? Minutes after the hanging, a car bomb goes off!
It will only make matters worse.
Shalom!
I meant to say I am pro-choice
I’m prolife and anti-death penalty.
Who are so many people against the death penalty, but are pro-abortion? Or raise funds to protect animals (a worthy thing, I’m sure), but are pro-abortion?
BTW, that’s a horrible picture.
In general I am against capitol punishment, but this was more of a political strategy, IMO.
In answering your question, I do understand the conservative Christian view, despite the fact that I am indeed the exact opposite (which many could say is hypocrisy but i have my reasons for it), and it’s for what many have already said – that a fetus is innocent, and that murderers who are tried and found guilty, are, well, usually guilty. Sometimes they aren’t though, which is why I am against capitol punishment. This one guy who was on death row for twenty years for no reason came to my school and talked about how horrible it was, which has successfully resolved my opinion on the subject.
-David
I think the theory is execute one Saddam to save many lives — he was responsible for genocide.
Will fewer die now that Saddam is dead? Only the future will tell.
it depends on who that pro-life is for
Because it most closely agrees with God’s Law. The Old Testament Law required death for deliberate killing of innocent people. The New Covenant in the New Testament does NOT contravene that law; but grace allows forgiveness. WE DO NOT HAVE TO HURRY JUSTICE, BUT NEITHER DO WE NEED TO DELAY IT, WHEN IT IS IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF JUSTICE. I am sorry that so many disagree with my position. There are even Catholic theologians who disagree with the death penalty, but they must answer when was the Law’s requirements changed? Because none of us are righteous, none of us can be fit to carry out Capitol Punishment? Nonsense. There have never been completely righteous people. We should, and did, carry out God’s requirement when Timothy McVey and Saddam were executed, as well as others. Just because mistakes can be made does not negate carrying out the law. We do not execute the innocent; we do not overlook the culpability of the guilty.
Haha yesssss! Because the “murder” of fetuses is farrrrr worse than the murder of a full grown man, correct?
Hahahaha.
Hm.
An eye for an eye will make us all blind…
“Who are so many people against the death penalty, but are pro-abortion? Or raise funds to protect animals (a worthy thing, I’m sure), but are pro-abortion?”
Because the death penalty is an eye for an eye, a killing of a person. I don’t care if that person is a murderer. We’re just stooping to their level and becoming murderers ourselves. (We being those in favor of it, that is.)
Abortion is the act of, well, aborting a fetus. A fetus. A fetussss. Not a full-grown, living person.
Because Saddam Hussein was a douchebag who killed many people.
Innocent, unborn babies don’t kill people.
I think if one wants more on this subject “theologians cafe” posted a follow-up. I would invite “suzmurphy” and “carrietale” and others to visit my own site “pb49r”. I plan to go further into this subject of Capitol Punishment.
we did not kill him!! the people he wronged killed him.
“if evil men were not now and then slain, it would not be a good world for weaponless dreamers” -Rudyard Kipling
I’m kind of just sitting on the fence.
I’m pro-life because I think that if you got pregnant, you should freaking take responsibility for your actions and raise that durn baby.
But I’m pro-choice because a baby shouldn’t have to grow up motherless if the mother is going to die or if the mother is going to be put in jail after having the baby. I’m also pro-choice because I think it’s probably the best idea for gaining control of the world’s overpopulation. Did you people know that we’ve already exceeded maximum capacity on Earth? We’re WAY over maximum capacity.
As for the execution side of things, I stand by letting them suffer with life in prison and no chance of parole. I think it’s way worse than just getting executed on the spot. Big deal, you die and forget about it.
“Abortion is the act of, well, aborting a fetus. A fetus. A fetussss. Not a full-grown, living person.”
We were all once a fetus.. now look at us.. talking out of our a@$es!
I’m wondering how we can make an intelligent opinion either way, we do not live in the culture where what you believe determines if your kidnappers will let you go or torture you before dumping your body somewhere in the city for all to see. We do not live in the culture where your boss might also be your murderer, where your neighbor might be just another martyr, or where your president might order everybody on your street to be killed just on a whim. We have no idea what it was like living all those years in a country at unrest in most every possible application of the word. This is their way of life to know that their next day might well be their last, and that’s assuming they make it through the rest of that day. Would your consious rest knowing that he still has supporters willing to do whatever it takes to bust him out of confinement at the cost of their own lives? Would you sleep well in the same city where he lives planning to destroy anybody who crosses him? Would you believe that all was well if he had been able to take revenge on his own citizens by the hundreds than to know that he will no longer harm a soul any more than the memory of his deeds to families forever torn? No, we cannot understand that fear is a constant friend and hope is hard to find in a place where nightmares happen each and every hour of the day that we will never be able to imagine. The news will not always report everything, some good things as well as some bad things must go unsaid. Just imagine what other things you don’t already know. This is just one dictator, not the first of a long list and not the last. How high will you allow a death toll to climb before you decide to take action? Will you take action only after somebody you personally knew was just another name on the casualty list? Of course, there’s always more than one way to do things, and they’re not always the best alternatives, but at least, they’re not the worst.
Executing criminals is totally different from murdering the innocent. It’s apples and oranges.
I’m pro-lific.
holy crap. i never realized what you meant. that’s like… the same fucking thing.
I think executing sadaam is a pro-life sort of act.
That’s because we have a strong sense of justice.
Innocent babies = shouldn’t be killed.
People who have murdered thousands of innocent people = death penalty.
I’m not pro-choice, but I was in favor of Sadam being hung.
But then on the news I saw the moments being led up to the point of him being hung, && I felt almost pity for him. He looked terrifed && not the usual stone face. he deserved to die, but I don’t nessacarly think it should have been carried out by hanging. It could have been carried out my lethal injection, but hanging people is normal punishment in some middle eastern countries..
Ahhh…”anewtone” said it for me.
Pro Life, I take to mean – anti-abortion – I am totally against killing unborn children who are innocent but Sadam??????? Please!
Im por life and i think killing Sadam is stupid. By killing him they are just making it easier for him and hes not really getting ounished for what he did. killing him was an easy way out. They should of kept him alive and in jail for the rest of his life by himself in a dark room. That way he would have nothing to do but wait for his death.
I’m pro-life and anti-death penalty, because this exact hypocrisy of which you speak has always bugged me.
However, if I had to choose between being pro-life and anti-death penalty, I’d choose pro-life. I agree with XristosAnesti:
“Perhaps we should ask why the people who are against killing Saddam are all for letting people kill their children.”
i think that makes perfect sense…
keep babies alive, execute international criminal.
no?
besides the obvious hypocritcal nature of some people..
(not being mean, just honest)
many support the beginning of untainted life and the ending of tainted life.
kinda dumb innit? i mean, life is life and we should all be free to live it in the very best ways.
screw it, quality over quantity any day.
“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.” And you may quote…whoever first said it.
> ‘Cause Saddam is anti-life and….. ’nuff said…
Peace
I think their argument is that an unborn baby is innocent while Saddam is…not. Which I understand. I’m kind of the opposite though, so I shouldn’t judge. I’m anti-death penalty but pro-choice. Even though I lean pretty far to to pro-life side (I would never have an abortion EVER, but I don’t want to tell other people how to live)
Why go to start when you want to shut off?
I am pro-death, no exceptions. Killing people is doing them a favor, because then they get to go to Heaven!
As Bill Hicks once thought, instead of having all these abortions, we should just give these babies to all the pro-life people and let them take care of em.
As for the question, that’s just your typical white christian person, all for the death penalty against abortion. But then again if it wasn’t for capital punishment, we’d have no Easter, so fuck it, that’s a three day weekend.
I dunno about most people, but for me, pro-life is about sparing the innocent and execution is about the opposite…..its all about innocence, some got it, some dont. Even a baby at just 2 weeks gestation is a baby but a lawless sinner must pay for their crime and as a bonus the world doesnt have to live with them anymore…it’s biblical…both counts.
Lol, its like the same thing as a humanitarian war I suppose.
pro-lifers typically are against innocent lives (such as babies) being destroyed, but at least with the death penalty the guilty person is put through a fair trial, and found guilty by his peers.
As for the hanging, consider what saddam did to countless thousands of innocent people in his country, is it acceptable to disshonor their lives by not showing an ounce of the same measure of brutality shown to them?
Because Christianity is full of loop holes and contradictions.
I think the ones you speak of are pro-unborn life. Real people who have been born are a dime a dozen.
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I don’t think it is a conscious case of hypocrisy. I suspect think they have created very “emotion” based claims of pro-life, it “sounds” right after all, but have never completely thought through just what that stance really means. You can’t be pro-life and pro-death. You can adopt a stance of “situational ethics,” which is a philosophy that put conservative Christian’s tails in a “major” knot back in the 60′s.
There are really only 3 choices.
Pro-life: don’t kill anything or anybody
Pro-death: killing is justified.
Situational Ethics: Right and wrong can vary from situation to situation and individual to individual. There is no “absolute” right or wrong apart from the situation in which it occurs.
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that is a question i ask my civics teacher all the time. it can also be backwards. democrats are fine with abortion but dont want people exucuted. I find it very confusing and hypocritical.
Unsure, but good question.
Cuz we’re cool like that.
Really though, should a man (or baby) be punished for his parents actions? Should an adult be punished for his OWN actions?
Because they don’t know what pro-life means, obviously. Either that or they’re just plain hypocritical. You can be anti-abortion, and be fine with Saddam’s hanging, but pro-life? No. Just look at the word. Those in favor of Saddam’s execution seem pretty pro-death to me..
I dont know–I’m pro-choice.
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how do you know that
that’s called hypocrisy
i’m pro life and i’m against capital punishment..
i guess the argument is that unborn babies are innocent and capital punishment is for very un innocent ppl..
but i say that their both killing…capital punishment is killing…and is kind of hypocritical ….u killed ppl so to show u that thats very wrong we’re gonna kill u….only God has the right to take life away
idk.
I sometimes wonder if people think issues all the way through. I am not so sure that we shouldn’t have siezed Saddam for crimes against the US and just locked him up for life in a Federal prison. That way God could have taken him anytime He wanted to and we would have no blood on our own hands. Old Saddam would have had time to repend and become an evangelical Christian and write some books and such.
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I’m not for killing anything, unless it is necessary for the survival of others. There is a lot of gray area in which each individual case must be examined.
Well.
Babies haven’t killed people.
Dan, I’m sorry, but that was a stupid question.
I agree that it’s because un-born babies are innocent and Saddam is not. But, it’s also interesting to point out that many of these conservatives are pro-war. This war has killed thousands of innocent people. Now, that, is hypocrisy.
Because they are hypocrites.