January 25, 2007
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Family Honor
Otherwise peaceable Muslim kills daughter in order to protect “family honor.” A man killed his 17-year-old daughter when he suspected that she was having sex. A medical exam indicated that she was still a virgin.
The father shot her in the head 4 times. An autopsy indicated she was still a virgin when she died. Here is the link: Link
Did you consider your parents strict?
Comments (150)
Not anymore i don’t
yes
but only by American standards
YES.
Whatever they were, they weren’t insane like these guys.
But… on second thought…. D:
Uh, not that strict, luckily. That’s just crazy.
How does killing your own daughter factor into family honor?
nope.
Not strict– we had that open door policy where they knew everything about me anyway, there was always the fear of upsetting Dad…
hahaha its sad to see that you still dont know the difference between a real muslim and a “muslim” by name. thats pure insanity, its not islam to kill innocent people
Not compared to that…..
Candy
Somewhat…
LOL. I love how the question marries into the link. The ideal of Muslim honor is an old one. I can understand it but it also goes way to far. In many families it is about control and restricting the freedom of women which should always be a no-no…
not anymore.
Someone that commented on here said that Islam does not teach to kill people. Or, better said, that Islam is not a violent religion.
I have four words for them:
Go. Read. The. Koran.
that’s just sad. i watched on cops where this couple wanted to pay someone (a undercover cop) money to kill their son because they were going to get evicted. it’s depressing, and where this dad mutiliated his 4 year old daughter, it was in the news a few weeks ago. it’s depressing how sick people are, and to kill your own flesh and blood is just wrong.
Whoa…that’s horrible. X_X
My dad is strict when it comes to education, but only because he wants to help me.
Just think if we did things that way here…millions of 17 year olds gone, and very few of them still virginal.
that’s horrible
How sad… yes, my father was strict. I couldn’t date until I was 18 and he had other really strict rules. However, murder was not the punishment!
In some areas yes, but I’m also glad that they were strict in those areas when I was in early teens because I might have made some serious life-changing-for-the-worst mistakes. I’m thankful for them, but a little more trust/freedom would be nice. =] But I’m not complaining.
they were strict…but not pychotic..
They had the girl checked before he shot her, and confirmed it for him then. Allot of people in Jordan are petioning to make “honor slayings” equal with other forms of murder under the law with tougher penalties. But many “conservatives” are worried it would promote promiscuity..etc. Can’t they find an alternative?
Uh, apparently not.
Muslims don’t value women only their stupid rules and warped sense of reality. Dood should be hung sadam style!!!
My dad is strict and way overprotective, and my mom has a more liberal way of looking at things. My dad tries to protect me from EVERYTHING, whereas my mom encourages me to make my own mistakes and learn from them myself. Sometimes you just gotta learn things the hard way.
not at all, they trust me a lot
yes, and she got off easy
That story is so shocking.
My parents are not strict at all. I consider myself pretty lucky. I can’t do WHATEVER I want but my mom trusts me a lot and I could care less if my dad trusts me. I make good grades, I don’t do drugs, I don’t drink, and I don’t give my parents any problems.
No, I don’t consider my parents to be strict. How does it matter that he was Muslim? There are Christians who rape small children, Jews that are serial killers, and Hindus who committ infanticide. I don’t think religion impacted his actions as much as psychopathic behavior.
Not that strict, just stupid.
wow.
not anymore.
No ,they had a policy “If you are honest with me I will work with you “.So we didn’t lie to them and they did not tighten the reigns to much.
Yeah, I consider them strict (by American standards), but in a healthy way.
No. The most that would happen to me If I had sex would be me getting kicked out.
urgh talking about ignorance!
I enjoyed being beat relentlessly.
by comparison to those who obey/enforce shar’ia law? absolutely not. compared to parents of today? they were fairly strict, yes
Dan, what is it that you’re trying to accomplish by constantly displaying the violent exploits of muslims?
It is so hard to fathom a system in which murdering your own flesh and blood brings more “family honor” than a daughter’s virginity.
Yeah, I liked out the article pushed the problem on “conservatives.” I’m pretty sure that almost any problem can be traced back to “liberals”.
Except for this Islamic Religion stuff. Liberals can’t be blamed for that, they’re doing their best to educate all the religion out of’em.
Seriously…………………that’s pathetic. This girl died just because her father was crazy.
that’s horrible, but where in the article did it say that he was a Muslim?
My dad a little. But recently, no. And definitely not compared to weirdo muslim standards.
Sorry muslims. But that guy was outta line.
No. I did pretty much what I wanted to do.
I have a hard time with this, not only for the sexist crap, but because the taking of a life seems so easy. No love involved. No caring. No compassion. What happens to the sons who screw around?! I love my children beyond what ever happens to them – it is called “unconditional love”. God’s love is unconditional – do they not understand it? I’m in a dither now. Aaauuuggghhhh!!!!
nope. and even more nope after reading that. but that’s what they do in some sects-they’re required to by their religion.
The oppression of women is international and it is driven to extremes in many countries, but in one way or another it is everywhere… even here.
And my mother was never strict… she never had to be over-protective because my sister and I were good kids.
Not by comparison, but yeah. Usually for a good reason, too.
nope. my parents are pretty kick ass.
not that strict!!!!!
Just a few more years until my generation takes over.
I have never considered my parents strict. I have often considered them to be delusional. Neither of my parents has tried to kill me but my father has admitted to dreaming of killing me.
In response to this post I have to think that this father is very messed up in the head but as the article states it is fairly common over there for these “honor killings” to occur. I wonder how killing a family member is supposed to be more honorable than letting them live. It seems to me that the entire penal code for Jordan needs to be redone if it provides a maximum sentence of six months for “honor killings” and a maximum of only 15 years for any other homicide. The father should receive an increased sentence in my opinion since he had signed an agreement acknowledging that his daughter had been found to still be a virgin by medical professionals and another exam on her corpse showed the same thing.
Daughters suck.
They get lost, they get stuck in places, in people, and they cost a lot.
what an ignorant statement ladyj3 has said. dumbfuck.
either way my rents were strict. there have been cases of men shooting their daughters for shit like that and they were AMERICAN. so it doesn’t have SHIT to do with the religion. he’s just insane.
and i agree with undamage — daughters DO suck. i better have sons.
What a load of crap. This is why I hate religion. People believe and follow shit without knowing how stupid it is. It’s like calling a pregnant lady fat without knowing that she’s pregnant.
I wouldn’t know if my parents were strict. I’m 15 years old and I haven’t ever gone to “hang out” with friends. I never go anywhere for fun really, except with my cousins. So I wouldn’t know if they were or are strict. I give them nothing to be strict about.
Give me credit, I seem pretty normal for someone who spends all her time at home watching TV, going online, and attending school. I fool people easily. They have no idea.
I would argue that Feminism itself is anti-woman.
“either way my rents were strict. there have been cases of men shooting their daughters for shit like that and they were AMERICAN. so it doesn’t have SHIT to do with the religion. he’s just insane.”
That statement itself is just plain ignorant. Just because one guy murders someone because they are insane, doesn’t mean that when someone else murders someone they are therefore insane. They could very well be murdering someone for religion. Not all crimes have the same purpose behind them.
“This is why I hate religion. People believe and follow shit without knowing how stupid it is. It’s like calling a pregnant lady fat without knowing that she’s pregnant.”
This is also simply plain ignorant. One religion breeds violence. Therefore, all religions are bad. Thats NOT valid logic.
Not after that.
no mine weren’t.
it’s unfortunate because the muslim community is constantly trying to get people to accept them — but it’s just so hard when you hear about these sort of things.
Yes I do, that’s why I’m a bit on the shy side. >:o
Compared to that, not at all. Compared to my friends parent, definitely.
Yeah…but they’re not too strict.
dennis_the_retard obviously didn’t get the point of my statement.
the point was fucktards, that downing the entire muslim society because of this one incident is ridiculous! that’s like saying every muslim is a terrorist! not all muslim fathers are gonna go around killing their daughters if they get laid because that’s NOT a part of the religion.
read the quran, then refute my comment.
the link doesn’t actually say that he was Muslim… is that assumed from his ethnicity/location, or the “family honor” idea? can the concept of “family honor” just be cultural/traditional without being “religious” ? just wondering…
Crazy Muslim fuck! That bastard should be hung!
Yes, but only by American standards, as shrunkmoney said. Although, I think it worked for me; I actually still speak to them, which is more than I can say for some of my friends.
my mom has actually threatened to shoot me if i get out of line, but she would never really do it! wow.
My parents weren’t strict, and I made some bad choices, but what is important to me is that they stand by me through thick and thin (continually praying for me) and I wouldn’t have it any other way . . .strict or not, supportive parents ROCK! I strive to be that to my kids. . .
I did. But nowhere near that bad.
i wonder if he feels guilty or not
That story is just sad and sick. Although Islam doesn’t promote such action it does promote the punishment of premarital sex and the sharia law strictly enforced prevents prosecution of such actions. And many Muslims consider it their Islamic right to do so under “urf.” (urf-being the unwritten but commonly accepted practices of Islam not specifically stated in the Hadith or Qur’an, but considered valid.)
Fish sticks are sooooooo delicious.
I hope I don’t die a virgin.
my best friend parisa is iranian, and her dad is crazy like that. its depressing.
that father should have investigated before acting hastily.
i think my parents were strict for the generation i grew up in.
Noo.
Yes, but not like that…
I am a pleasant being. They have no need to be strict (HAH).
They aren’t strict. Really. I’ve never been spanked in my life. I think I was too precious. Little angel, all delicate and pleasant. Actually, I think it’s more because I was sort of sickly up until 5 years old. I had asthma, enfesima or something, and allergies. Cool thing? I’ve outgrown it all. Well, except for allergies to cats and hay fever…
They should have been strict with my brother, really. No need with me.
not anymore : /
Not any more. That is terrible.
Not like that, now can you imagine how this is MORE likely to be prevelant because of all the widespread death and pain and genocide like death levels in Iraq today? Thst was NOT how the “seeds of freedom” are spread.
There are some things you can’t fix. We have to lie in this bed now…
Does anyone have the empathy skills to observe another culture in this forum without knee jerk reactions?
Nah. I believe mine were very fair.
yeah thats hella strict and extreme…when honor killings like that happen its not considered normal, or widely accepted. so its not all muslims that should judged…
lol
i misread the question. looking back, no my parents werent that strict at all. i was just very unreasonable and they felt like i was hiding stuff…
Fortunately, my parents are not this strict.
Nope. I find them fair.
They aren’t really strict so much as over-protective. Any strictness I kind of place on myself, not by others.
What an horrible father, not believing his daughter.
Muslims don’t value women only their stupid rules and warped sense of reality. Dood should be hung sadam style!!!
Posted 1/25/2007 10:44 PM by Ladyj3
Not all Muslims. There are Christians like that too you know. There are horrible people of every religion but nobody deserves to die.
cheers,
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Not
That is not how all muslims are like, its like saying that every christain is an abortionist or something like that, its an exaduration and i think that, even though it is wrong, people should know that they are the extrem and not what every muslim is like.
I never got to do as much as the other kids when I was growing up. At the time I thought my parents were the devil and were trying to ruin my life… but, now I thank them for the way they raised me and them being “strict”… I could have turned out a lot worse… but I think I actually turned out ok.
aha..no
what a world
I doubt very much that “honour” killing is an Islamic teaching. More likely it’s a corruption of such, even as many of the lunacies performed by Christians – or more accurately, people calling themselves Christians – are a corruption of Christianity. Or it may be a throwback to the strict Arab society in which Islam developed, even as Christians throwback to Greek and Roman myths.
Being a descendant of Vikings, I frequently call on the supreme god Odin, usually after reading something on Xanga.
Nope, not like that at least.
that man needs to be shot.
oh, but to answer the question—no. my parents aren’t strict at all.
Not THAT strict.
Not really…
Well my dad shot me six times in the head when he thought I was having sex…so there.
Crazy, crazy, crazy.
Not compared to a lot of people. There are rules which are annoying, but nothing I’m likely to be shot over.
OK OK – I’m never going to gripe about my parents again.
Never did. I thought they always cared so why would they be strict?
Yeah. (See my blog for an immature tantrum about tripp pants.)
Unfortunately, honor killings are not that unusual. Makes me sick.
I have a response to Dennis_the_Peasant‘s comment that suggests that anyone who does not believe that Islam is a violent religion ought to re-read the Quran.
The Holy Quran, sent to man by God as a guiding light was originally sent down in old Arabic, a language that many no longer speak. As such, there are many translations of the text, interpreted and translated through the views and ideals of the man reading the original text. As such, reading a translation of the Quran can never give the true essence of what it is that the Quran is trying to convey. This has both upsides and downsides, as today’s world has often shown. A literal translation of the Quran provides nothing for the general reader, because there is a deeper underlying meaning to everything that is said. Islam is, in it’s purest and most original form, a non-violent religion. However, through the INCORRECT and distorted vision of some today, it is often WRONGLY seen as a religion of oppression and hate.
This can not be further from the truth. Yes, Islam places restrictions on its followers, and yes, it preaches chastity, modesty, and a strong sense of familial dedication and honor. But it BY NO MEANS promotes or suggests that killing INNOCENT people is any way to get anything done. It is not right, and those that engage in such acts of violence are NOT TRUE MUSLIMS.
It is unfortunate that so many take things this far, and that they give such a bad name to Islam. Just because acts like this are publicly hung out for display does not mean that this is the right way to practice Islam, as taught by Prophet Mohammad(S).
YES!!!
They found out I had an Xanga…. I didn’t tell them because I was afraid they would make me shut it down!
YES!!!
They found out I had an Xanga…. I didn’t tell them because I was afraid they would make me shut it down!
That father is not strict. He has lost sight of what is honorable actions toward a daughter. It is not honorable or just to kill a daughter simply because one suspects she is no longer a virgin. There are more peacable, honorable, and just ways to resolve that situation. Hopefully they will try him in a court of law?
Well, not that I live with my parents anymore…but no, they were never ‘strict’.
Damn!! Not that strict!!!!
On average, about 20 women in the country are killed by their relatives in such cases each year. Women have been killed for simply dating.
That’s just sad. . .
Why isn’t this being done to the guys?
Where has there always been such a double-standard?
My mom is…I can start to say something like “What the BLANK…” and she’ll start to scream at me and tell me that I’m going to hell for saying that-even though I’m almost 20 years old and can say or do whatever the vulk I want. Now my dad, on the other hand, doesn’t give a damn what I do or say…as long as I get a College degree and don’t waste my life.
She’s insane, but she isn’t technically strict.
“I would argue that Feminism itself is anti-woman.
Posted 1/25/2007 11:48 PM by Dennis_the_Peasant”
um. . .how is wanting equal right as men “ANTI-Woman?”
Being a woman doesn’t mean being a “lower, inferior species”!
As for are my parents strict? Since that seems to be the question. . .well my siblings and I are all suprisingly “undating”. None of us living at home have really dated. . .so I have no clue. But since I’m 20 anyway, and my sister is 22. . .except for my brother whose 17. . .I don’t see how much control my dad could have/would have. Yay.
My parents were just right. But I’m biased.
you know, even after that i do. They are rediculous. But thats terrible. I sure hope he feels bad, although when zealous one is also very blind…so maybe he still feel he was in the right?
Derek
Well, not compared to THIS…
never, my parents are hippies…
… No.
wow i bet he felt dumb after that
Hell no. I got away with everything.
not at all.
Just that one story could make someone racist.
Despicable. Shot her in the head four times because he THOUGHT she was having sex.
Yes, I still consider my mother strict. Not my dad, though.
On average, about 20 women in the country are killed by their relatives in such cases each year. Women have been killed for simply dating.
That’s just sad. . .
Why isn’t this being done to the guys?
Where has there always been such a double-standard?
Posted 1/26/2007 1:37 PM by PacifismPlease
Exactly!!! Why wouldn’t it be punishable for a man to have sex? I just don’t get it.
My parents aren’t that strict. Maybe its because me and my sister aren’t that bad.
Thats horrible!. The poor girl. I hope that man goes to jail for the rest of his life.
You know, I think that guy really just had it out for his daughter. She repeatedly ran away for “unknown reasons” and wouldn’t come back until her father SIGNED something saying that he wouldn’t harm her. I wonder what these “unknown reasons” are and why she was so afraid of her father? This guy was clearly just a kook and wanted to harm his daugher in some way shape or form, and with the blanket of “family honor” he was able to do so. And what a crappy blanket!
“dennis_the_retard obviously didn’t get the point of my statement.
the point was fucktards, that downing the entire muslim society because of this one incident is ridiculous! that’s like saying every muslim is a terrorist! not all muslim fathers are gonna go around killing their daughters if they get laid because that’s NOT a part of the religion.
read the quran, then refute my comment.”
I agree with you there. Not every muslim is a terrorist. But according the Koran, every muslim should be.
those are just random stories about RANDOM people.
if a christian did that then would you look down upon them too?
people do psychotic things all the time but is it “Different”
when a muslim ends up doing such a thing?
You have to understand how radically different our cultures are.
Here it’s absolutely ludacrous, but to them it’s nothing.
I think if our culture was being judged as harshly we’d get very defensive, but I’m nor sure that’s how most of them feel.
It’s the way of life they’ve had longer than theirs, and we shouldn’t interfere with it regardless if we are fine with it or not, I know I’m not.
Muslims don’t value women only their stupid rules and warped sense of reality.
Posted 1/25/2007 10:44 PM by Ladyj3
They come from developing countries, and it’s not fair to say that. Developing countries means developing education. Not to mention its apart of their religion. It’s like in Africa where they can’t get educated about sex prevention and so people come up with myths like “having sex with a virgin passes on AIDS to her”
In addition, i’m about 99% positive that an autoposy cannot determine sexual activity. Maybe it can detect intercourse, but it cannot detect oral sex, anal sex, etc.
pshh. no.
My parents are strict..
their morales and ways of teaching are,
questionable and very poor.
I will pray for this child.
EDIT:
My parents aren’t strict..
their morales and ways of teaching however.. are,
questionable and very poor.
I will pray for this child.
i doubt they would kill me for anything i might do
but i’d say they’re pretty strict
my parents used to beat me when they thought I was having sex, so, I kind of, but not fully, relate.
That’s sad. It makes me glad I’m a Christian. And I’m reading this historical fiction book and it involves the early Christian’s persecution. It’s the most violent book I’ve read, which is really sad because the stuff really happened.
No, I don’t think my parents are strict as far as my relationships, because I’ve set the same boundaries for myself as they have.
I love my parents sometimes and they’re not homicidal.
Some ways, yes. Some ways, no.
One less muslim to worry about whats wrong with that?
Yes, my parents are strict.
This girls’ parents were/are just ignorant. They should have had her checked out before taking ANY action, especially so severe. No one should EVER murder their own child. That’s disgusting.
Oh, and muslims are more often than not extremely violent – far from peaceful.
Torture the asshole-
Not as much as other Chinese parents.
> Not That restrictive…
Peace
Somewhat…?
My friends always think so, anyways, what with my B+ incidents…
-_-’
that’s horrible.
No my parents aren’t stric….well, my dad is, but my mum isn’t, and i live with my mum so who cares?
yes very but I’m glad they were