January 28, 2007

  • Online Flirting

    I saw an article in which a lady asked what the bible said about online flirting.  Here is the link:  Link

    Is flirting online cheating?

                                                      

Comments (148)

  • Only if it leads to something else.

  • well it depends

  • Basically, yeah.

  • Flirting is cheating? <_<

  • How many times you gonna ask this question?  Have a guilty conscience or something?

  • lol. Its no fun that way.

  • Yeah, I never knew flirting was cheating either………

    But no, not if it 1. stays flirting and 2. stays online.

  • i mean i agree with Xcholo4u, if your flirting intentionally to try and hook up with some one then yes it’s cheating, but if not then its harmless (2nd yay)

  • No. As long as you don’t have any other intentions or motivations behind it that would lead to “cheat-worthy” actions.

  • I think Soultender is on the something

    Do you have a guilty conscience, Dan?

  • I hate this stupid question.

  • Most assuredly

  • I think that it is. Would you be embarrassed if you said something to someone and your spouse found out about it? If so, then you shouldn’t do it.

  • okay, cheating is cheating. i don’t know if i would consider “flirting” cheating, although it is in a way, but…

    ahah.

    i don’t know. who caressss..

  • I didnt know flirting was cheating O.o”

  • Not if it’s just a passing comment… but if it’s a flirtatious relationship, I think so. I’d be hurt if my someone put a significant amount of his flirtatious energy into someone other than me– especially if she was just a name on a computer screen.

  • I don’t think so.

  • RYC:  I figured as much.  I couldn’t explain why I’d connect you to the photo, just a weird and wrong presupposition.  Germophobe, huh?  Than I suppose that little critter in the sheets freaks ya out.

  • it can be cheating, if your are married or have significant others..  and also have to put in to consideration of, how serious was the flirtation?

    j

  • I’d say.

  • HA. if so, i’ve cheated every goddamn day of my relationship. oopz!

  • i had said that i would tell you how i did in going to church so late..

    so went to sleep at 5:30 am, and woke up at 8:30 and went to 9 o clock serive..  the 11 o clock service.. and then went to preach at 1:30 pm service, and then went to young adult service at 5:00 pm..  and now i’m back at home.  =p 

    I can’t believe i did all that with 3 hours of sleep…

    dang..

    j

  • Matthew 5:28

    But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

    So yeah.

  • I cheat in real life too.

  • Yes absolutely. The Bible says if you lust for a woman only in your heart, you’ve already committed adultery with her.

  • Oh Dan come on.

    You dont online flirt?

    I do way more then that on xanga.

    I love to flirt.

    I would think saying comments on pictures even in a positive light might be flirting?

    So believe it or not to some “thats a great picture” or “wow you look sexy in that pic” is flirting?

    what the fuck is wrong with these people.

    its called “care.”

    If someone commented on my picture saying “you are an ugly mother fucker” i would not like that Dan.

    What do you think about that example?

    Is it wrong to sit at home and undergo materbation on xanga with other users on a blog?

    Is it wrong to have group comment sex on Xanga?

    Are you on crack Dan?

    Do you want some crack Dan?

    Want some crack Dan?

  • depends on what your SO thinks of it and what your idea of cheating/flirting is. do you hide it from them because ‘you don’t want to hurt their feelings’? then you have a problem. do you hide it from them so you don’t have to “hear about it”? then you have a problem. it’s all perspective.

  • And if I found out my husband was flirting with anyone: online, in person, over the phone–I would feel cheated on.

  • yeah what she said ^

  • haha. Yes. I see. The Bible addresses the issue of on-line flirting. Now THAT’S anachronism.

  • it might not be cheating but it will put distance between you and your spouse and do nothing to help the marriage or the partnership.

    it might not be adultery, but it’s not the right thing to do.

    so it’s still sin.

    especially if there is any sort of intent behind it.

  • No it’s not, but demonstrates the lack of loyalty. hence the possibilty of it escalating into an affair.

  • flirting online was really hard in biblical times cuz they didn’t have java…

  • Didn’t you already ask this? Seems familiar. Anyway, to answer it.. Yeah, I think so. Either way it is not respecting your spouse.

  • Only if it’s something you’re too ashamed to admit to your partner
    a little flirting can be healthy

  • yeah because there is a verse in the bible that says merely looking at a woman with lust is committing adultery in your heart

    same deal…

    lust is adultery/cheating

    quit making excuses for the unfaithful people

  • come on dan. try harder next time

  • Only if it’s my husband…but for me, nah. *lol*

  • depends on where its going, and how serious of a relationship you’re in

  • Not if it’s just a passing comment… but if it’s a flirtatious relationship, I think so. I’d be hurt if my someone put a significant amount of his flirtatious energy into someone other than me– especially if she was just a name on a computer screen.
    Posted 1/28/2007 8:37 PM by barenakehd

    That pretty much answers it.

  • Matthew 5:28

    But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

    So yeah.
    Posted 1/28/2007 8:46 PM by courtneyy5
    ———————–
    and that.

  • Not as much as regular flirting

  • didn’t you already ask this?

  • It’s pathetic.

    Period.

    Get some real action…your computer can’t hold you.

  • Since when does a holy bible comment on a 21st century issue?

  • Since people do it sooo much now and can’t stop, I guess not.

  • not if ur single

  • what courtneyy5 said.

  • Flirting online is stupid and pointless, but not cheating. I think things have to get physical before its considered cheating.

  • bible speaks to all the century issues, because the core of a human being is similar, though on the out side we go through different stuff,.

    j

  • How do you find stuff like this?

  • If you really mean it.?

  • If you’re in a relationship, yeah. Plus, it’s just gross. I think those online dating things are kind of creepy.

  • If you have to ask then yes!

  • It’s not cheating…but I still think it’s wrong.

  • I believe cheating is an action. I also believe it’s not black and white; nothing is. If you start to develop an actual relationship, it is cheating. In all honesty, I can’t think of anyone I’ve met that hasn’t flirted with another person. Flirting is actually something that tends to naturally happen. It varies in degrees, though.

  • Any bond with another person of the opposite sex would usually be considered cheating by the significant other. If it’s considered cheating by the SO then it shouldn’t be happening.

  • omg i hope not – that’s my survival. it’s a lot safer than physical contact. i like anything that makes mike hunt happy, but i don’t like to take chances with potential creeps.

  • I love ANSWERS  on yahoo….

    That chick however  should be ashamed… Flirting can lead to full blown out adultery if she isnt careful.Sin starts out as a thought in the mind and when we dont squash it ti grows and eventually its too big for us to take out with the garbage (i just got the image of the baby that turns out to be a sumo wrestler getting picked up from the back seat of a car) LOL oh where was i? Yeah if sin is given the chance to grow it will and before you know it you’ve given in to it and its birthed pain and suffering in your life….

    Best to leave fire alone in her case.

  • Any bond with another person of the opposite sex would usually be considered cheating by the significant other. If it’s considered cheating by the SO then it shouldn’t be happening.
    Posted 1/28/2007 9:33 PM by mitztaken1
     
    There is so much wrong with this statement….
     
    1. Any bond…yeah…maybe if you exclude friendship, relative, and acquaintance.
    2. Opposite sex? Believe it or not…there are actually people who like the same sex. Yeah, I know, right?!
    3. The point of the post is for you to state whether you think it’s cheating. So the whole “If it’s considered cheating” is going off topic.

  • what is the real purpose of flirting?  It’s leads to sex.  You can set boundaries in flirting and may not go all the way, but sex is the reason we flirt… sometimes we get called on the carpet by the person we’re flirting with and then we have to decide how far we’ll go… the best course of action is not to flirt at all… online flirting seems safe, but the emotional boundaries we cross are just as real as flirting in person… maybe even stronger because the normal guards we have in person aren’t there online… what does the bible say about adultery and fornication? it’s pretty clear if you read it.  Flirting is cheating.

  • i feel like you’ve asked this before…oh well

    i think it depends on the level of flirting that’s going on

  • uh, no. flirting in person isn’t cheating.

  • If you say something to another person online that you would be embarrassed or ashamed to tell your husband or wife, then yes… it’s cheating.

  • Flirting? Depends on what you’re doing, but flirting isn’t usually much of a problem.

    However perhaps a good guideline would be: if you what you’re doing online, you did in person with another person, would you think it was cheating then?

    Or: if you’re doing something that you feel you need to hide from your significant other, then you probably should not be doing it.

    Or even: would you think it was cheating (or feel hurt or betrayed) if your significant other were doing it?

    These questions will probably give you the answer you’re looking for.

  • when did flirting become cheating?

  • to me, any flirting is cheating, if youre in a committed relationship there should be no flirting. period.  at least thats the principle i use in my relationship.  maybe thats just me that thinks that way?

  • Haha, that woman’s an idiot.

    Anyway.

    I’m fairly certain that you’ve asked this already.

    While it’s not cheating, it is annoying and really disrespectful.

  • not if ur single
    Posted 1/28/2007 9:13 PM by ericvandermolen
     
    Duhhhhh.

  • Well, if looking lustfully at a woman = adultery,
    and hating somebody = murder,

    I wouldn’t do it.

  • umm…seeing as how it almost destroyed my family, yes

  • yes

  • Depends on the situation, but IMO, it’s only not cheating if both sides are clear that it’s a harmless flirtation, do it only occassionally and don’t let it lead to anything else. Even then, it’s kind of risky.

  • The bible mentions the internet? Shit, man. God is more techinally advanced than every thought.

  • It may not be cheating (depending on how far the flirting goes), but it is certainly wrong and foolish and an open door to trouble.

    Why are you showing a video that mocks Mormon missionaries?

  • It depends. Depends on your intention (playful or serious) and depends on how far you want to go.

  • sorry i was hard on you before Dan.

    I was wrong to be mean.

    I wish Docotor Ruth was here to help you out!

    She could really answer this question for you.

  • yes, definitely.  if you’re doing it in your heart and you make an expression of it online, it is cheating.  and it’s stupid, if you ask me.

  • Its all about intent.

    If you are creating a relationship, then yes your cheating. If its all just long distance fun, that you wouldn’t mind your partner reading, it then it is harmless.

  • We get this question a lot in our ministry. Yes, it is wrong.

    Even more popular is whether having sex with someone other than your spouse in a virtual world game like Second Life is wrong.

  • Wow…

    I’m actually gonna go with the Bible on this one.

  • I’m kind of disappointed by the number of people who are suggesting that the Bible can’t have anything relevant to say relating to this issue because “the internet wasn’t around when it was written” (well, DUH). The whole reason why the Bible is so important is because it gives us moral guidelines that are universal and can be applied no matter what kind of technology develops…Sure, it may not say “Don’t flirt online!” but it does comment on fidelity and lust.  Don’t take things so literally, people.

  • I think it’s harmless, unless you’re being serious about it.

  • If you’re in a relationship, yes. Or if it has the possiblity of leading the other person on.

    Flirting is flirting.

  • I have a different question as an answer.

    Would it bother you if your girlfriend, wife, whoever was flirting with someone? Online or not?

    Flirting might be cheating, but it can still really bother your SO. I don’t know about you guys, but I’m going to stay on the safe side and avoid flirtation of any form while I’m in a serious relationship…

  • “i feel like you’ve asked this before…oh well” – Thecrimsonbittersweet

    Yeah, I think she’s right… It sounds familiar.

  • “Matthew 5:28

    But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

    So yeah.

    Posted 1/28/2007 8:46 PM by courtneyy5
     
    Agreed!!

  • Yes.  It happens.  Sometimes innocently.  Sometimes not.  Still…it is taking time away from your spouse and your thought patterns are probably screwed up.  Not saying I’m not guilty, just stating the facts.

  • I don’t see how flirting anywhere is cheating. That’s a bit extreme. You’re allowed to look at the menu, even if you’re not ordering any food.

  • Cheating is Cheating.  I hate to put it that way, but thats the damn truth.  Everyone gets this idea that its okay because you’re not really doing anything, but in reality it is the same as if you’re with that person in real life.

  • If you’re dating someone else, yes it is cheating. Flirting is flirting. Whether it’s in person, on a phone, on the internet, etc.

  • flirting is not cheating.

    and that Bible quote with the lust crap…are you cheating on your spouse if you think < insert male celebrities name > is hot?  Get real.

  • i made it to church on time. (9:45) haha!

  • Lol, all those people are saying internet wasn’t invented yet, but it goes much deeper than just the internet being invented, it is the act behind it.

    Whenever you want to flirt on the internet with others and you are married, you are obviously compensating for something that is lacking in your relationship with your mate. The bible does not approve of seeking that out in other people, whether it is online or in person, it is the motive behind it and the heart condition. You should always try to make things work with your mate before giving up and going to someone else.

    But.. if she asked about it, she probably was feeling guilty already and knew that it didn’t feel right and was just looking for someone to reassure her that there was nothing wrong with it.

  • No! Flirting is natural.

  • The Bible mentions the internet?

    I must be reading the wrong version.

  • “Matthew 5:28

    But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

    So yeah.”

    Uhm, I don’t understand what that verse has to do with anything – sorry.

    However, I do think flirting with another person would be considered cheating. I mean, I don’t know how it couldn’t be.. I understand that a lot of people just consider it to be “innocent chit-chat”, but seriously, I can’t begin to tell you how many of my friends have come to me upset and complaining because their boyfriend is constantly flirting with other girls. And if it’s so innocent, why does everyone try to cover it up or make excuses to justify it? I don’t know, I guess I just don’t understand why it wouldn’t be. If you really cared about a certian person, why bother with this “meaningless” flirting with other people? Why not just make your significant other feel especially special instead of trying to make a perfect stranger online feel special? And that’s even if you wouldn’t consider flirting, online or offline, to be cheating.

  • No. I wouldn’t consider it cheating. But, my definition of cheating is different than other people’s definition of cheating.

  • Uh…maybe?

  • No, it’s only cheating if you flirt for the purpose of getting another spouse when you’re already married. So just pretend they’re concubines, like Solomon had, then you can have a bunch. He had about 600, so I think his Xanga must have been premium, or they might not have let so many onto his subscriptions list.

  • Is flirting really cheating? I mean, the most innocent remark can always be interpreted as being something flirty. So how is flirting cheating, exactly?

    ’nuff said….

  • The Bible-quoters are saying lust… so now the question becomes – ‘Is flirting the same as lust?’

    I don’t believe that flirting is the same as lust. But, I do believe that flirting can lead to lust.

    Dan, what do YOU think? =D

    .

  • Dictionary.com definition of flirting: To make playfully romantic or sexual overtures. Therefore yes, it is the same. The Bible says any thing sexual, from thought (lust) to action (sex) is all sex.

  • Depends on the extent and if you do anything with it.. I’d not do it myself, but still..

  • You can have an emotional affair, but small flirting, like I have done on here is not a big deal and is certainly not cheating. But when you get into online sex, etc… yep.

  • Define “flirting”.

    But yes, I think so.

  • I think people are trying too hard to disprove the Bible.

  • Dan, do define what you mean by “flirting”. Because after reading through the comments, I think that my definition of flirting is different from a lot of people, hence my answer of “no, flirting is not cheating”. Thanks .

  • It depends on your intentions….

    If your intentions are to act in a way that would be considered inappropriate IRL… then yes.  If not… then no….

    Online cheating is damaging….

    justsayin…

  • Flirting is reserved for my husband. That’s a part of me that is his. To some, that might seem silly, but after 27 years of marriage we still love hanging out with each other. So, flirt away, but with the one that you love. : )

  • Matthew had a small winkie.

  • The intention in your heart is the real cheating.  So yes, it is.  Because that shows desire to have romantic encounters other than yoru spouse.

  • I’m thinking that flirting on- or offline goes against the spirit of a monogamous relationship.  I wouldn’t say it equates you with an adulterer/-ress.  But I definitely have a problem with winking at stuff like that because you’re not technically “cheating.”  When you’re asking how far you can go, you’re asking the wrong question.

  • i flirt with most people if i feel like it.

    anyway, it’s only cheating if you’ve already got someone. And that’s not really cheating, just making them jealous. Cheating is MUCH further along than flirting. practically everyone flirts.

  • FLIRTING? no…not cheating whether it’s online or in person. geez. especially not online. wtf.

  • you dumb ass. what kind of question was this? Flirting is flirting and cheating is cheating. Ugh…why are you pissing me off so much today!

  • I just don’t understand why so many people feel like it’s their right to flirt and branch out when they’re dedicated to a certain person. Whenever I talk to people about it they act like it’s no big deal, and yet when their significant other comes around they fumble around like a kid picking at the cookie jar. heck, if I put it that way, flirting is like telling yourself it’s okay to eat a cookie when you aren’t supposed to. You can nibble at as many as you want and get as fat on them as you want to, and it’s all okay if you make sure you don’t eat a whole one. You can eat a few cookies worth of nibbles, but it’s okay, because it didn’t all come from a certain cookie. The basic reasoning is the same for all flirting, online or in person. Perhaps the nibbles are a little smaller, but since they’re easier to come by undetected it’s all the easier to gorge yourself. In my opinion, online flirting can sometimes be even worse than normal flirting. Your emotions can get sucked in very quickly and before you know it you’ll be hooked up with someone else. Then the process will probably repeat itself… *sigh* the world of today is such a dark place for romantics

    P.S.
    I think it’s sad that so many people just accept their partner’s flirting with others as part of every relationship, even if it makes them feel miserable and worthless…

  • not if you never see the person

  • If your online relationship is getting to the point of online flirting, then I would have to say yes, it is cheating.  you are probably having an emtional affair. 

  • If your online relationship is getting to the point of online flirting, then I would have to say yes, it is cheating.  you are probably having an emtional affair. 

  • No, just like flirting in general isn’t cheating.

  • I think that link was completley stupid, all these people are shooting off at the mouth about how people are “going to Hell,” as if that helps a single thing!

  • oh why must you get me started on this dan…why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we’ve been done this road before! lol

  • Not exacly cheating… but it’s definitely not a good thing.

  • Only if you’re in a relationship…

  • stupid woman.. the bible was writtten wayy before the internet came about.

  • and that is why i hate neo-christians.

    *dodges bullets*

  • You mean adultry?  It is what goes on in your heart that counts.  Jesus tells us that also.  If I were married and flirted online to the extent that I lusted in my heart, then I would have sinned.

    L,r

  • Flirting, I think not, personally I think flirting is”playful” and it’s just for fun. If it goes beyond that, there is where the trouble is 0_0

  • if it leads to something else, then yes. but if it’s just harmless flirtation then no.

  • I don’t want to think about this.

    I am such a jealous bastard I just shut down. I think it was me that said “The only time that matters is when we are together. Then you are the center of my universe”

    There was that messy stalking and public humiliation in front of family stunt in 2005 from trying to define cheating. Why throw away good times together thinking about bad times apart?

    Easy to say, hard to do…

  • Ooh I really hope not…

    As long as I don’t take it seriously and the guy I’m with doesn’t then it shouldn’t matter. Harmless flirting…

  • Courtneyy5 said it first…Its in THE book…besides, “Thoughts become words…words become actions…”

  • yep. I agree with courtneyy5.

  • well in my humble opinion,  I think flirting is a normal part of ou human social interactions.

    However, I read the Quran and Bible and the only thing I see in the Bible says do not lust, do not commit adultry or fornicate.  But the Quran says go not near Adultry, not only don’t commit adultry or fornication, but don’t even go near it.  Don’t put yourself in a situation that could lead to it.  So if I were to base my actions on that only I would then have to look at the intentions of my heart beyond the social interaction.  If I wanted that person as a lover then I am near adultry and in lust.  If I was just leting that person know there is a soft spot in my heart for them and they are my friend then that is not lust.  Men flirt with women as a way of reasuring themselvels that they are acceptable and have self worth.  An ego trip/boost.  They also have a way of flirting that says I want you lustily, which is wrong.  For you commit a greater sin against the society by this action, you break down the walls of trust and allow mistrust to enter the picture.  If you breakdown the fabric of our society then you open the way for greater sins to happen.

    Men by default are stand alones.  Women by default are social networkers and group support for one another.

    By stand alone, we we work as a team but keep our problems (insecurities, fears, uncertainties etc.) to ourselves.  We do not seek counsel from other men about these things.  We won’t even seek counsel from our mothers.  We are programmed from birth to be MEN!  Strong, Silent, self sufficient, providers, above wants or needs, almost like a God.  Yet when we first arrive here we are quite the opposite of that.  We are weak, needy, dependent, unsure, scared, and uncertain.  But we get programmed to be what is expected of us.  Suttle things are said like be a Man!  Walk it off, take it like a man, grow up, don’t be a little boy about it.  Which gives rise to male flirting as a means of them saying to themselves that they are ok, that if they are verile they are Man!  Only Males have to prove themselves to be accepted as men.

    By social networkers and group support, women are able to find acceptance and self esteem from other women.  No woman has to prove to the world that she is a woman.  It is ok for a woman to be unsure, uncertain, scared, weak, and dependent.  Every woman has her relationship verified by other women, (ie, my man does this for me, and I made him do that for me if he wanted me to be his, etc)  men won’t do this at all.  Every woman can get instant verification of her looks and social acceptance by dressing up and going out in public.  As my daughter once said in a discussion on a topic simular to this one, ” A woman with the right set of tits can rule the world”.  Which is a sad state of affairs for men.  We are so lacking in acceptance that we would let a few pounds of body fat rule us or direct us in our daily affairs.  A woman that flirts with us makes us socially acceptable, gives us our self worth.  We become our Job title or we become our spouse, or we have no self worth and then we become abusers, seeking acceptance, self-worth, status, etc.  We become all the wrong things for all the wrong reasons.

    We as males need elder guidance, we need to be programed from birth to accept direction from the elder males.  Women are taught this from birth.  Listen to your mother, go ask your mother, your mother will tell you about it, etc.  But male children get told to figure it out for your self.  Women for what ever reason do not take the time that they take with their daughters to talk to and teach the male child to seek wisdom from the elder males.  If this were done then the need for self esteem from flirting or sexual conquest or spouse abuse would not be as great as it is.

    Which would then keep us all or at least most of us safe from going near the sins of adultry or fornication, for we would know our self worth from childhood.

    But keep in mind that this is just the observations of my lifetime and experiences, yours are undoubtably different and i accept that as should you.

    Peace to all

    AlfredMG

  • How the hell can one flirt online? It’s not like you’re person-to-person and be able to touch him. THAT’s cheating.

  • A truly committed husband or wife would not do that. It’s not wise.  Arguing over whether it’s cheating or not cheating is kind of pointless – it’s really just not a good idea, so don’t do it.

  • no. flirting in general isn’t cheating anyway. Unless you have like, made makeout sessions or something, but then that isn’t really flirting. so no.

  • I think it is kind of a close call, but as a married man of 51 years, I do not think it is wise. It would hurt my wife’s feelings. I avoided committing adultry all these years by being very carefull.. There are some risks. E-mails can be saved and forwarded. Someone else will know, especially the other person. I also don’t think the Lord would approve of even so called normal, harmless flirting. I don’t think I am that moral compared to flirts, just more afraid of the consequesnces. Besides, God knows.

    Frank

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