February 23, 2007
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Merit Aid
I was reading an article about how the admissions policy for some colleges has become to competitive. Some schools are talking about making changes. One of the problems that they are concerned about is that scholarships are increasingly going to the highest performing students when it comes to SAT scores and grade point averages and not going to those with the greatest need. Here is the link: Link
There are those who think higher performing students should not be punished because their parents have more money.
Should scholarships be based on a student’s performance or on the needs of the student?
Comments (121)
performance and needs, both.
An equal balance of both.
but everything you do, you should work for.
PERFORMANCE!! Read “Atlas Shrugged” sometime.
Yes, and we should be helpful to the needy too. But God forbid that we should reward low performance.
top 10?
A little of both I think!
An equal balance of both.
I think it should be based on both… There’s so many kids who want to go to school to better themselves.. but simply CAN NOT afford it, their parents made too much money… and they just didn’t “perform” all that great on their SAT’s & ACT’s..
Both.
Though it’s good to cater to those in need, it’s not a good investment to give a scholarship to someone who might not use their full potential. Someone who does well in school might be better off with a scholarship.
Hell what do I know, though….that’s why I don’t decide these things.
needs to be both…unfortunately the balance is extremely hard to find. given both scenarios, it would probably be better with the merit based, as they have the greatest potential in life
They should have scholarships that follow each criteria so that the most deserving in each category can get the awards.
Need. What’s the correlation between smarter kids who do better in school and needing money off from college? How about the smarter kids get harder classes and the poorer kids get financial breaks. That makes sense to me.
Both, the people with better performance shouldn’t be punished and the people who don’t have money shouldn’t be punished either.
Well, I am one of those students who you’re referring to. My parents can probably afford to send several children to college simultaneously, but if I win my merit scholarships then I deserve them no matter what my parents make. Though the truth is that federal need based aid is pretty damn crappy, so most students rely on merit scholarships.
There should be scholarships for both.
If you don’t reward the performing kids, before long they’ll be needy too. ‘Cept the ones with really really rich parents, and they don’t count.
It really depends on the intent of the scholarship. There are scholarships that are meant for helping people who need financial assistance. Then there are scholarships that are meant for helping the best succeed. So there you go.
Here’s an example: If I donate money to help with diaster relief, like Katrina victims, I want the money to go to Katrina victims, not the winner from last week’s Jeopardy.
It is the choice of the person/organisation who is giving the money.
I thought a scholarship was supposed to be based on your academic acheivements, but then I also thought that there was supposed to be something called EQUALITY, until my then-18-year-old, white, Christian self decided to dare to apply for one when I was a senior in high school. Then I found out it doesn’t matter what kind of grades you have, as long as you have the right color skin or the right last name and your parents are divorced and don’t have money.
a mizture of both, I suppose.
Performance, definitely. That’s what a scholarship has always been about.
I would prefer to see it need based.
both i guess
I guess a little bit of both.
But just because you’re poor doesn’t mean you can’t be the smartest and you can’t earn a scholarship.
Performance. It’s not a right to go to college; it’s a choice and a privilege. People who are poor can’t demand scholarships all the time – “Oooh my ACT score sucked but I’m poor so gimme money.”
The best people should get the scholarships. Period.
But it is unfair to give someone a scholarship just because they are poor.
I take back what I said. Give it to the ones who deserve it, whether they’r poor or not.
Im with the little of both crowd.
i don’t see why colleges wave tuition for music and athletics but they are so much less inclined to do it for academics.
actually i see exactly why they do it but it makes me mad.
a combination of both
Both, because I know some people who dont have the luxury of being able to work on school work all day becausae they have jobs to help their famlies.
Both, because I know some people who dont have the luxury of being able to work on school work all day becausae they have jobs to help their famlies.
Performance. Charity isn’t what scholarships are about.
Both, there should be a variety of scholarships to cover all circumstances. And what about financial aide? Students can apply for that if they don’t get enough scholarships.
their performance.
if you are ‘needy,’ then if you work hard enough, there is a scholarship out there for you.
performance
because u can be poor and still have good performance
its not like only rich kids do well in school
being poor is never an excuse
BOTH! and maybe more toward those who have the best performance AND have need.
The question you seem to be asking is, Is it ok for a person giving away money to decide how it should be given away? I offer a resounding yes! That said, if I were giving away the money I believe that it would best be used by someone who not only showed some scholastic aptitude but also by someone who actually needed it. Why should I give my hard earned money to help someone who doesn’t need it?
BOTH.. but on one hand i think the rich families should not get as much as those students who must take out loans. i got so mad my freshmen year when i heard some ofthe football players not only had school paid but got $1,000 bucks in fincancial aid back. here i was, doing well, and i was going to have to pay back 16,000 + with interest. Not that they were rich, but it just seemed unfair that I have to be (1) Rich, (2) Extremly Smart or (3) in Athletics to get really good financial aid. I prob only got 1,000-2,000 financial aid per semester then and the rest were loans… And i actually get more financial aid in graduate school now to get my masters then in my undergrad.
so, thats some thoughts… ha ha
- Daniel (doubledb)
A scholarship is for rewarding academic success, as well as a recruiting tool. Financial aid (loans, grants, etc.)is the institution’s assistance to those who couldn’t pay for a higher education otherwise.
Scholarships should be given to the best students, while various financial aid should be need based.
Ben
lightnindan
to what she said …….
why give money to someone who didn’t do anything to earn it while you did?
Both but maybe more on need.
How about Both ? !
It’s a combination of things. I am so lucky that I come from a very low income household so I receive need based aid. I also am lucky that I scored in the 30s on my ACT so I am getting a ton of academic funding too. I know that my college tries to even out funding as much as possible by budgeting money based on need and academic achievements. I also know that many colleges only give out need based scholarships based on an academic achievement factor as well so those who receive aid need to score in the middle range or higher on ACT or SAT to receive any form of financial help.
In my opinion, I do think that the aid is going to the rich way too often when poorer students are usually unfortunate as they do not receive a higher standard high school education. If we set up children and growing students to fail, they will. By offering them need based on what they are possible of rather than what they have been given, then students in urban and rural schools can compete with those in rich suburban high schools.
That would totally nix the incentive for doing well in school if they just gave to kids because of their “need.” College is so expensive nowadays, every kid will have need. There are specific grants and scholarships available for needy kids, but they need to give special scholarships to kids because of their academic achievement. I think if a kid that is “needy” is not willing to do the work to get good grades, then they shouldn’t get scholarships to get into college. It’s like putting the whole world on welfare, then no one would want to work.
by the way…. scholarships are based on academic achievement.
aid is based upon need.
It really depends on the intent of the scholarship. There are scholarships that are meant for helping people who need financial assistance. Then there are scholarships that are meant for helping the best succeed. So there you go.
Here’s an example: If I donate money to help with diaster relief, like Katrina victims, I want the money to go to Katrina victims, not the winner from last week’s Jeopardy.
It is the choice of the person/organisation who is giving the money.
Posted 2/23/2007 4:06 PM by Bokgwai
^ what he said.
Performance.
The problem is that if need is the primary criteria for getting financial aid, then the very bright students who come from families with middle class level incomes can’t afford to go to school.
I think we need to give aid to needy students. But if we do not give aid to the best and the brightest, I fear for the future of our country.
I also like the idea proposed by Sen. Durbin (I think), that student loan forgiveness should be available to those who enter service oriented professions or at least work in less desirable places where the pay is lower (e.g. teaching in an inner city school).
Performance.
“Financial Aid” is for need.
both. Because of the massive idiocy I constantly witness at my own friendly neighborhood university, most schools would probably write some program that focuses on how much their family’s income is, not their performance, which would probably end up punishing kids who parents don’t make that much, but make more then some other kids parents, even if the first kid did better in school. Does that make any sense?
better question: is it fair that children of employees of colleges and universities get to go for free?
Performance.
This is only a problem if your are a socialist. Why would you reward mediocre performance? If you get mediocre service at a resturant, do you go back (or leave a big tip)? If your mechanic did a poor job fixing your car, would you keep going back, just because he was broke and in greater need of your money…
How silly that we think need has anything to do with monetary reward, unless of course, you believe in the social welfare system… if you do, then quit your job and let me support your lazy butt.
Kids that do well on the SAT and in school work hard… since when is hard work punished? That’s not how it works in the real world…
“oh I’m poor and lazy, give me a scholarship so I can flunk out of college…”
Those worthy of a scholarship.
i.e. Those who perform the best.
If someone is poor but is getting bad grades, they do not deserve a scholarship. They will simply waste it.
Performance. But perhaps I’m biased, since I’m working on getting into an elite but affordable college at the moment.
no, grants are for the poorer people. scholarships are for the smart people who’ve show that they are smart.
but, hey, if you are poor and smart, looks like you could be getting both
Combination. But start with a need, then choose the best performers. Like, for families who make less than $40,000 a year, give scholarships to the top students in that category. Then move it up to < $60,000….
Dan, there needs to be a distinction between SCHOLARSHIP and NEED-BASED GRANTS. Geez, why shouldn’t excellent students be rewarded?!?!!! My top-20-in-her-class student was limited to the bottom rung of the scholarship ladder initially because of our FAFSA (and trust me, I’m self-employed, so I know I don’t have that much money to lay out $16,000 a year…). It took a competitive scholarship, with 1700+ kids applying, for her to become a semi-finalist and get another $5,000.
Meanwhile, there are kids in her dorm who cut class who are getting free rides…
But God forbid that we should reward low performance.
Posted 2/23/2007 3:58 PM by jcmelordy
But at the same time we should not give to those who have enough.
Scholarships are for students who show excellent performance, but need financial aid to attend college/university.
Low performance should not be awarded. I believe the best approach is the award firstly the students in most economic need AND performance, secondly performance, and thirdly solely economic need (poor grades).
both needs and merit. you don’t just give a poor person an education. you give a smart poor person an education.
Sending smart people to school breeds people like Alexander Hamilton. Do it. If these people cannot perform well, chances are it’s their own fault
Are scholarships even something we should be providing?
Shouldn’t they have scholarships for achievements and then some for needs?
I mean, I don’t know, if you work hard to get a scholarship, but you have money, I think you deserve it.
Nevermind, I think achievements matter, but the kids with achievements AND needs should be picked first.
both…maybe an interview should be required. idk…
performance. why should money go to those who only view college at the level that they deem themselves to high to be among those who perform well?
Little bit of both. Students shouldn’t get (many) scholarships if they’re rich, no matter how smart, but people also should try in school if they want money because they have none.
I don’t think that college shoudl be this damn expensive in the first place.
Every child in this country deserves a good solid education.
I think need should actually come first, but I think there should absolutely be scholarships for student performance.
I went to college based on scholarships for student performance.
They should have degrees for both types of students…some people who deserve to go to college can’t afford it.
Performance.
I hated my roommates that had scholarships just because they came from low income homes. I wouldn’t have had a problem if they did the work and were able to maintain even a 2.5.
needs
there should be both
both
Both combined.
Financial need should be taken care of first.
As a senior in college I see this debate quite often.
I am an average student..I work hard for what I want..and I maintain a solid B average. I have had a hard time coming across scholarships and I am not eligible for financial aid. It is ridiculous. It should be based upon both. I’m not saying kids with 1.5 GPAs should get a free ride to college. Some people have more advantages and some people just don’t have it in them to have a 4.0 GPA all the time. This world puts too much pressure on children to be geniuses these days. It doesn’t mean they aren’t intelligent or that they are not working to their full potential. Scholarships should be based upon merit, yes, but they need to also more widely available to a more variety of people.
Both. That way, it’s fair.
Because there are some really smart people out there whose families are poor and they can’t afford to go to college.
Some of both; students who do well in classes deserve to get rewarded for that through scholarships, and students who have a financial need shouldn’t be denied college because they can’t pay for it. In this country we seem to think that literally anyone can achieve a full scholarship if he or she only puts his or her mind to it. If you can’t afford to go to college with average grades, then you just have to work harder in school. Never mind if you have to balance high school with a job, watching younger siblings, and if you’re living in a culture where getting out of poverty is almost looked down upon, an attitude some urban impoverished areas seem to have. It’s considered a kind of treachery to want bigger and better things than endless violence, hunger, and god knows what other miseries.
Some kids really just cannot “do better in school”, even if he or she really is actually quite bright.
No student should be rewarded for what he has not accomplished.
Both.
Who said that just because someone gets good grades they come from a priveledged family? I think performance is what counts, if you do the hard work should reap the benefits. I’ve known plenty of people who were not from well-to-do families and worked their asses off to get where they are. And there are just as many from well-off families who just screw around.
Both.
I say both.
I’d say both.
I think the point is that well known schools are finding that their scholarship money has been going mostly to students from elite, expensive prep schools rather than some of the top students from public school systems whose parents could not afford to send them to the aforementioned prep schools. This also goes for those who can afford those SAT prep courses and other college admission test prep courses. I believe this needs to be looked at because students who are just as intelligent may be overlooked because they didn’t have financial access to the private school or the test prep classes that teach to the test. This lack of access may be apparent in a SAT score. I’m sure I did as well as I did on my ACT when I took it for college because I knew exactly what to expect from having taken it in 7th and 8th grade through a gifted and talented program. I had classmates who could have had the same score had they had access to similar preparation.
I realize I didn’t fully answer the question. However, the question didn’t fully relate to the article either. The article is dealing with admissions processes overall, not just the financial piece of it.
Well stated, m4g1k.
Both. That’s why we have scholarships for both. Scholarships should be merit-based and need-based. It’d be nice if they weren’t so often racially-based… I go to a small private school that costs a bit more than the average institution. There’s a merit-based scholarship for about 20 people. A lot of the non-white people get what’s called a Dubois scholarship instead of that. The rest of us white people are sort of screwed. Most of the African-American and Asians at my school disagree with the affirmative action themselves, but they do appreciate the money. The thing is, when most of us are all in the same financial situation, why do the non-white people get the money and we don’t? I need it just as much as my black roommate does, and yet she gets it because her ancestors don’t come from Europe.
I can understand affirmative action, but… We really need more need-based scholarships. Everyone should be able to go to college. And to think, my friend in Canada gets to go to college for less than a thousand per year and doesn’t need a scholarship. Most colleges really charge more than they need to, especially some private ones.
It should be based on your grades/scores alone. Sure some parents can afford to send their kids to college, but the great thing about scholarships is that all money that you don’t use goes into your wallet. All kids could use that.
if both performance are good, id say go for needs…..but if the poor student is a crap student anyway, why bother? their not putting in the effort anyway.
rich kids can just pay their way in cuz they can.
Admissions should be based on performance. Financial aid should be based on need.
Performance
It is a fact that people from higher socioeconomic classes get better grades and probably also higher test scores. The competition might not be that fair for those who really want to study and have potential, but not as wealthy parents. But a person’s aptitude is not directly correlated with their parents’ wealth, so it wouldn’t be fair to not give a scholarship to someone who performs well just because his/her parents are rich. Why not have both performance-based and needs-based scholarships?
(says the girl who comes from a country where college is free…)
it should go to whoever deserves it…
My God, isn’t it horrible how rich Americans keep getting screwed. We should have a fund raiser or something.
both.
Both. And it doesn’t mean that if you’re smart that your neccesarily rich. I’m pretty smart (not to brag) and we aren’t exactly the richest.
Needs. Always. It’s terrible, because my parents do not have a lot of money, but the only reason i want to be at school is to become a teacher. It’s just so highly difficult to find anyone who’ll give scholarships to a determined -yet not totally brilliant- person.
more towards performance, it should be a little of both though.
Merit based scholarships should compromise two thirds of public money for college. Need based should be the other third. Although a economically disadvantaged student really is at a disadvantage on the way up in accuing those scores that are so precious, and some numbnuts like me never even took the act or sat, working your ass off to get a high gpa or score in high school has little to do with being poor.
End entitlement, foster pride through fierce competition and the fruits of success.
That would make our country more powerful.
Don’t we want that?
Bokgwai got it right at the end of his post: “It is the choice of the person/organisation who is giving the money.”
No one deserves any money for going to school. You’re supposed to get good grades. If someone is feeling philanthropic and wants to help some people go to college, let them do so however they (legally) see fit.
I believe that it should be based on performance. We are CONSTANTLY penalized for doing well in this country; higher taxes. Why should people perform well in life when they are constantly penalized for do so?
Both, but it should focus more on need.
A lot of scholarships aren’t even based on grades. They have you write an essay on the topic of the scholarship, and I think they should be need based. Set a cut off limit for income and then pick the brightest at that lot, but don’t tell me that they ALL should go to the smartest kids, because the smartest kids are those that already have money.
I got a 3.5 in HS, I have that now in college and I’m sick and tired of applying for scholarships and having them go to Suzie Q from Massachusetts who’s going to MIT and both her parents are cardiovascular surgeons. Kids who don’t qualify for financial aid shouldn’t be getting ANY aid, and that includes scholarships.
performance, inside and outside the class room. It should have to do with grades, scores, and the impact you have on the people around you. Such as other activities you’ve done.
There are already scholarshpis for those that don’t have the best grades and scores; they’re given by private institutions. Let the colleges give scholarships based on grades and scores. It’s about who’s going to do the best at their school not who needs the money.
Absolutely on performance! A student with poor or even average grades should not get a scholarship over a hard-working student just because they have poor parents. Shouldn’t knowing that your parents can’t afford to pay for your college be incentive to work harder for scholarships? My parents are self-employed, so they have too much for me to get any need-based scholarships, but they just do not have enough to put me through college. I know this, and I have worked my butt off to get good scholarships.
I would say that they need both types, but also with exceptions. People with good performance should be rewarded; after all, colleges can only let a limited number of people in and they should let people in who will take advantage of it and make the most of their education. However, people who have need should not be limited to their options exclusively by a lack of money, if they can do better.
i should get them, =P
i think performance and needs, cant just deny one from another.
we can’t play the handicap general and rationalize it as being “politically correct” to “give everyone equal opportunities. Just like the affirmative action, a bunch of bs.
performance
Considering the impact of geo-socioeconomics and their link to education opportunities and to some degree even achievement, we can’t say that there exist any predetermined set of criterion that would indicate the likelihood of an individual completing college at any given rate or at all. That being said, we have to consider what exactly scholarships are; most scholarships are philanthropic wagers that wish to give students opportunities to complete their goals and have a better life than they would otherwise. As with any wager, you will win some and lose some regardless of calculated odds and of course the wins and losses will be defined by the success of the student. A balance should be made by any organization that is to provide students with these opportunities then, because there is no real way of determining odds and this becomes a big horse race. No bet is really safe, but a gambler would look at a Caucasian male who scored perfectly on ACT/SAT and has a weighted GPA of 7.2 and this that and the other and because of society conditioning believe that statistics would indicate that he have a better chance to make this wager worthwhile than say a Hispanic female who has all the same achievements. Those statistics mean absolutely nothing to an individual though, and only serve to make discrimination that would lead to the above conclusion.
It should therefore be taken in two directions: comparative achievement analysis and need. I see no reason why a child of someone like Bill Gates, Oprah, or Donald Trump would need scholarships, but if somehow, on a criterion that the scholarship provider would determine, could demonstrate that they could better allocate funds and resources to best achieve some goal than another or most others would, I see no problem with them receiving said scholarships. Some might argue that this is what people are already doing with academic based scholarships, but there is no objective criterion that can be maintained and applied to all students currently unless they have certain contests and procedures set up, which most scholarships outside of essay (and even then) scholarships do not. GPA and standardized tests are not reflective of individuals, their learning, or their progress as each school has different systems of calculation (weighted v. unweighted), classes and varying degrees of difficulty within the same course titles (there was a good article on this in the Washington Post yesterday, dont remember the title though), and even schedule builds that might impact the way that individuals “achieve” certain objectives, take certain classes, and meet certain standards. The difference is that in relative achievements v. standard achievements, the former will show certain abilities that the provider of scholarship determines is imperative whereas the latter is dependent on meeting expectations, not building on oneself or even learning necessarily, and chance.
Similarly, just because someone has a desire to go to school and has no money is not a reason to just throw money at them. There should be some degree of investigation that would indicate whether the recipient of the funds would be likely to use the wisely or not. If a student barely passes to get his or her high school diploma, has a gpa of 2.0, and has a criminal record, they shouldn’t be barred from funds but should be closely inspected to find out whether they will be likely to achieve or if by providing funds to them one might be robbing another student who is more dedicated to their academic goals.
Tough question Dan, but my answer is a combined system of inspective analysis on both fronts.
PERFORMANCE.
Scholarships are investments of universities and colleges on human capital. So I agree with giving the ones with higher SAT & ACT scores, and GPA’s. Not all scholarships come from Universities & Colleges anyway. There are tons and tons of other scholarship programs, mostly donated to organizations, that go unclaimed because those who claim to be in “need” overlook them. There are websites out there for aid; Fastweb.com is one of the best.
Why can’t it just be both? I mean seriously, I think that the basis of this arguement is in itself unfounded. I personally am in the top 1% of students. I am also in the lowest financial bracket. I will get money for both of these things. I am not the only one who this happens to.
There are grants for those in need. Scholarships should go to students who *earn* them, regardless of how much money their parents make. Besides, just because mom and dad have money, doesn’t mean they are paying for their childs college education, right?
they should have some that go to the best students, as well as some that go to the students with the most need.
Well, you know, I don’t think its fair that I haven’t gotten a single scholarship in my life when I’ve been getting really good grades. All the scholarships are going to the kids who have the same grades as me but their getting them because their parents are in the military (the military doesn’t pay the soldiers a lot) and there are a lot of “military brats” at my school (the name for the kids whose parents are in the military, even though most of the kids aren’t bratty).
Performance. Everyone has an equal chance to do well, but not everyone has a chance to come from “need”
scholarships should be given not only to those who need the most, but of those who need, they should be given to those who want them the most (i.e. the people willing to work the hardest – so as not to waste their scholarship money)
there are plenty who need, so there should be plenty of applicants.
of those, the ones who performed the best should get the money.
because… there are very few situations where someone goofs off in school, and doesn’t give a dang, but then scores well on tests. when you’re high school age and older, tests can be a fairly accurate measure of how hard a person has worked to retain that knowledge.
of course, there are people who don’t test well, and to reflect that, there should be scholarships geared more toward essays and portfolios of high school work, teacher recommendations and such.
Same as my feeling about affirmative action-
Giving money to minorities and financially needy students is all well and good, but let’s make sure they’re not morons first.