March 15, 2007
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Shock Treatment
Two parents are in the news for using an electric cattle prod in order to treat their son’s autism.
Their son is 48-years-old and will sometimes uncontrollably band his head against the wall. They say that the only thing that works in treating him is the shock treatments. The treatments are a form of behavior modification. There are those that think the treatments are unethical. Some states have banned the treatments.
His parents say the device is all that works. They say that often just seeing the device is enough to get their son to stop doing the undesirable behavior. (I can’t help but to agree. Every time I bring out my electric cattle prod, my children do exactly as I say). Here is the link: Link
I met a lady a few years ago. She was in severe depression. She was not responding to the medicine. She received shock treatments. I remember hearing about it and thinking it was crazy. And yet she told me it was the only thing that worked.
Should parents be able to give their autistic children the shock treatment they need?
Comments (111)
Ummmmmmmmm. NO.
I know someone who had a bad experience with shock treatments. This person is rather dependent on medication now to keep sane. I don’t think shock treatments are a good idea. They do more damage than good.
If a 48 yr old man is banging his head on the wall,I can’t imagine that the shock would be worse…as a last resort I believe it should be allowed.
No way!Thats crazy.
The way you worded your question implies a certain answer.
Anyway , I think the electric shock treatment is one of those last ditch measures that should still be allowed because in some cases they are the only thing that helps. However, those treatments can cause damage, so one must be careful.
btw it’s bang, not band. “sometimes uncontrollably ‘band’ his head against..”
I’ve heard about the depression shock treatment.. pretty interesting. The article talks about how new drugs have been proven effective in the same situations that the shocks are used in. So, uh, even though I know it’s very aggrivating sometimes when someone doesn’t listen to you, I don’t think it should ever be right to shock someone like that. It’s different with someone that’s not able to understand why they are being shocked than to someone who has depression and specifically goes in for treatment and signs consent forms and all that jazz.
Is there a more medically approved/appropriate way to administer shock treatments?
Electroconvulsive Shock Therapy (ECT) is not widely used, but a client was treated that way and it really helped her.
how shocking!!! what is more shocking is the nazis used to just kill autistic kids… they thought that weeding out the weeker humans would make the race stronger… my nephew is both autistic and blind… he stuck a fork in the wall socket once, but he’s still autistic… (okay, that’s not really true, he doesn’t play with forks).
This reminds me of my grandpa who was a ranch hand. He used to chase all of us grandkids with a cattleprod laughing and laughing…ahhhh..goodtimes….
If all else has failed, I don’t see why not. I mean, it is a form of treatment. You wouldn’t know unless you tired.
There is medical value in the treatment but it needs to be administered by a doctor. And the key element in that sentence is MEDICAL value, not as a corrective tool. However, I have a feeling we’re not getting the whole story. While the action may seem barbaric, there may be more to this. As in, a chemical/organic issue in the brain–which is an electrical process. This was recommended by his therapist and is controlled. In that case, it is a necessary treatment. I say yes.
We sell those!
Awesome.
they’re not fun to get hit with though, when we were sorting cattle last summer, my cousin got me with the long one. It drops you fast.
Akania.
This really does sound questionable to me, but who knows. Maybe this is the only thing that allows the person not to harm himself. Eek, though. I wouldn’t want to get shocked like that.
If it’s really all that keeps them from hurting themselves, then yes, I think it’s okay; as long as it is doctor approved.
I don’t think the parents should. I think that, if it is the only treatment to which the patient is responding, a trained Doctor, GP, Medical Practioner should administer it. Letting untrained, in some cases uneducated, subjects use electical shocking devices seems bizarre and hazardous.
Cheers,
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Obviously, shock treatment should only be done by a licensed professional. You cannot compare shock treatment for depression and using a cattle prod to shock a person. It is not the same thing at all. (other than the fact that electricity is involved)
uhm….. no.
No, they should just let him bang his head against the wall. He can’t keep it up forever. Seriously, though. I wonder how they found out. I guess they must have been pretty desperate. Poor them. Poor him.
If it’s ultimately for his benefit, I guess I can’t cast a stone.
NO
Sounds like they don’t know how to handle their special needs child.
Don’t blur the line between shock therapy and behavior modification. Shock therapy affects things in the brain. Using a cattle prod would just be a positive punishment (doing something to discourage a behavior). They are two different things.
Shock therapy has its place in counseling. For whatever reason, it sometimes works on people who have exhausted all other options.
I’m guessing the guy receives less harm from the prod than from banging his head against the wall (plus you don’t have to worry about him damaging the wall). I’m okay with positive punishment, though cattle prod isn’t on my general list of disciplining methods.
At the idea of receiving shock I gawk
So no, there I wouldn’t go.
Doing it I would feel Low
Even if it helped So.
Like I know enough about this to say. Sounds bad, but what else is there? I don’t know.
Call me uneducated on this one
God gave parents responsibility for their children. It this treatment is not harmful or abusive, it’s their right to proceed.
there’s nothing better than shock therapy. People love it. Maybe they should get the guy one of those dog invisible fences so when he goes near the wall it just shocks him there. We’re a conductive creature anyway, might as well.
“No, they should just let him bang his head against the wall. He can’t keep it up forever.”.
Posted 3/15/2007 9:32 AM by stephenandginny
Um… .Have you been around the autistic they bang again and AGAIN and AGAIN.
I went to an orphanage in Guatemala a couple summers back. . .half of the children there were autistic, some of them died because of all the constant banging. . .you would hold a kid and basically for hours be keeping it from banging. . .and it would STILL do so against your body, etc. . .
Here’s a question. ..
if it’s bad to do it on the kid, why’s it okay to do so on the Cattle?
Isn’t their “kid” fed cattle that was prodded with a shock thingy!
Doesn’t that mean we’re all “indirectly” shocked by consumption, lol
NO NO NO!! That’s torture…..Should be reserved for people who want it.
Candy
I guess as long as they get a pyschiatrist’s or pyschologist’s approval or even just a doctor’s approval. I mean, they can do it in the mental institutions, why not bring it on home too?
Read the article. This has been used effectively by others in treating autistic kids, who often engage in self-injurious behavior, to the point of blinding themselves or chewing holes in their cheek or scratching their skin off. Sometimes medication helps to calm them, but sometimes it does not, or cannot be taken. Any form of autism is incredibly difficult to deal with, because these kids/adults don’t respond in the normal way to verbal or social cues. Sometimes, there is just about nothing you can do to make them respond….every day, every incident is new and starting all over again with the training and teaching. I raised an Asperger son, and there were so many times when he was young that I wished to invent a remote-control of some kind, just to get him to stop these things that were hurting himself, because direct intervention/interaction with him didn’t work. If this is what works for this individual, and offers no more pain than a bee sting, then why not let them do what works? He lives in a group home, not at home with his parents. Sometimes nothing else says “STOP” better than a physical nudge of some kind, especially for autistic kids – something they can physically feel, because all the words and facial cues in the world often do not work. That’s not the same as punishing them or abusing them.
I really don’t know. I just hope they’ve consulted an M.D. or a pyschiatrist about this first.
Um, have they consulted with a professional? Did a psychiatrist rule out all other possible treatments?
It can’t be legal to administer shock treatments in your own home with a cattle prod. How do they even know what they’re doing? The fact that he reacts to the prod itself tells me there’s something else there, that he’d be able to respond to something else as well. That sounds like he’s reacting to a punishment of electrical shock, rather than the electricity doing anything (beneficial) to his brain.
well he’s 48 years old, banging his head uncontrollably and hitting/punching himself. how would a pair of parents deal with this when medication doesn’t calm the behaivor? as he only knows a few words he has no chance at a mainstream life and if this is the only method of control it seems that it would be necessary. given he is nearly 50 his parents are probably rapidly approaching 70 or more years of age. he is not an angelic 5 year old he is a grown man. the parents are most likely at risk of injury as well if they attempt to restrain him. i think that the shock treatments sound like they work and are not something the state really should take away unless they can offer a viable solution that is affordable or they will pay for.
and if you’ve ever been shocked with one, i have, it is not bad, it goes away very quickly and shouldn’t cause lasting trauma unless administered in a way that is illiciting that response. if this man is not responding in a fearful manner but a more calmed down manner it would seem that the treatments do work for him.
not everyone responds to the same treatment in the same way. some people can take asprin, some people can’t, some people enter remission with certain cancer drugs and others never do. each individual responds mentally and physically in a different way to any sort of stimulae. this seems like a good example of an overarching standard based on the adverse reactions of a portion of the population. basically not everyone is the same and i’d like to see the critics attempt to care for this man in their way for a six month period and then re-examine their positions on shock treatment. its very easy to react emotionally based on an idea that seems adverse to oneself but not ever have to be in the situation that brought about the situation.
Nooo. If it’s done at all, it should be done by professionals.
There should be more autisim awareness, IMO.
no, there has to be other ways, they just settled for what was easiest, i dont think they would find being shocked pleasant,
and the shock level in a cattle prod is not listed. i imagine it is lower then the shocks administered in a treatment facility? they can be bought at any country feed store, at least here in cali.
My 15 year old niece is bi-polar. Her parents took her to Milwaukee and she got shock treatments. I feel uneasy about this; I feel like there has to be other things they could’ve tried. Also, i think they are just trying to “fix” her. Course no one talks about it so I can’t ask what steps led them up to shock treatment.
i hate to judge when i am not in the situation and don’t really have a clue what it is like…but there is something really menacing about the photo you have on this post that makes me cringe and everything in me just says, “NO!”
hell no!
they should be shocked. gosh, whats wrong with people?
I would imagine they would have training. You can’t just walk into a Wal-mart and buy one can you?
Okay,
ECT for depression stands for Electro-convulsive therapy. People are put on a ton of muscle relaxants and anesthesia and are given electric shocks to their brain to produce a seizure. It’s really controversial, but it’s not like shocking someone with a cattle prod since the main thing isn’t to harm them.
I don’t think using a cattle prod on a disabled person is a good thing, or a cow either.
Why should they take away his right to bang(d) his head on the wall, maybe he thinks it’s sweet, you never know.
For the love of Jesus, YES!
I don’t think parents should be allowed to administer it unless approved by a liscenced, practicing doctor.
Electroshock therapy as administered in a hospital setting by trained medical personnel to treat depression is a whole different thing that parents abusing their adult children with cattle prods.
Shock treatment should be medically supervised. SHEESH, I’m sure my 8 year old would clean her room if I jolted her little butt every time I had to ask her, but that sure as hell doesn’t make it right! To me, it sounds abusive to a disabled person.
I believe there have been studies that show benefits of shock therapy, but PLEASE, let medical professionals handle it.
Think about all the COPS that have killed people with their ‘stun guns’; I don’t think electricity is something that should be played with.
I would really like to know how the parents of autisitc children feel about this before I form an opinion. As someone who’s child only has learning disabilities and not autisim, I don’t feel qualified to give my opinion.
I do have a friend who’s son is autisitc. He is nine years old, 5’10″ and weighs 210lbs. When he’s excited to see someone, he runs at them full force to hug them. He’s literally bowled me over on more than one occasion. But when he’s upset, it’s very difficult to get him to stop hurting himself. At the moment, his mother can still handle him (as she is 6’5″ herself) but there will be a day when she may not be able to physically manage him anymore. I’d love to get her opinion first.
I would have to say no. I don’t know much about autism, but I would think he would just be better off being put in a care center type of thing for people with autism. So many things could go wrong with them using an electric cattle prod.
While the thought of using shock therapy in this way takes me aback, I think it is important to remember that it’s easy for us to make judgments on things people do when we don’t have a clue what it’s like to live in their world. Without being able to get into that world and understand the full workings of the “cattle prod” or its potential/likely effects on this child, I can’t jump out there and say they are right or wrong. That really depends on information I just don’t know. Which is why in cases where all the facts aren’t known, it’s a good idea to leave the judging to God and try to be supportive and compassionate.
That said, my mother went through electric shock treatment for depression in her mid-thirties and she said it was the most horrible experience she has ever had. I went through clinical depression in my mid-thirties and went for four acupuncture treatments (one of the best things I’ve ever done for me), took some herbs and vitamins, and was as good as new in less than a month. I can’t help but wonder if my mother could’ve done the same and had a better outcome without the shock trauma.
He probably just needs a teddy bear!
wow, i’ve missed some great posts in the past couple days…
i think it’s appalling that they would do that to an austistic man…
*HUGS*
This is not shock treatment, it is a deterrent method that works. It probably should not be the first choice but if nothing else works to deter the man’s behavior then it is what is needed. As for shock treatment, there are cases where nothing else works except for shock treatment and in those cases it should be allowed. People need to stop being so quick to make judgments and look at the facts and then evaluate the alternatives. It seems to me that it would be better to give a depressed person shock treatments than to have them commit suicide.
Electricity in small amounts will cause pain and can change behavior but will not have any lasting effects on the body. Therefore it can be a very good method of punishment or persuasion. I would rather use an electric cattle prod on kids than to spank them.
Absolutely not!
As a few other people have already mentioned, the electroshock therapy used to treat depression and other neurological diseases is very different than just jabbing someone with a cattle prod.
if it is really the only thing that works, the doctor should be giving it, not parents.
WAIT WAIT WAIT
here’s a question. . .
The article said it was compared to a bee sting?
(well the critics disagreed)
but let’s say it is only as painful as a bee sting.
Which hurts more, banging your head against a wall or a bee sting?
The first I’m thinking.
So why. . .would someone driven to bump their head against the wall stop because of a little bee sting?
Unless it hurts FAR MORE then a bee sting!
—it said that sometimes just see the shock device would get him to stop?
well shouldn’t the wall?
Oh no, there’s a wall, if I hit my head against it will hurt, better stop.
Seems to me that the prod is much more painful then any bee sting!
Medically administered… then maybe.
If the son is so out of control, then he should be put into an institution.
Its so sad to me to think that something inhumane is used to reverse human behavior. The child down the street is autistic, and his parents are so patient and loving with him. I cannot help but wish that all parents could be this way with their children whether they have special needs or not..
Well. I can definitely see where this would inspire obedience, but it’s still not a good thing. Sheesh.
I meant the child down the street from me is autistic..
If they have abusive parents, then, no.
no way.if they want to do that do their own child then they shouldnt have a kid at all.whether their son is mentally challenged or not doesnt give them the right to do tht to him.its just unfair.if they were in his shoes they would know that the shocking hurts and that they dont like it.even though he is challenged doesnt mean that he doesnt know that the shock treatments as they call them dont hurt badly.he isnt stupid as they treat him.my cousin is autistic and he knows what pain is and what isnt.they should have their son taken away from them for the way they are treating him.it is just toatly wrong.
Why not? If it keeps him from breaking his head open (and I think the word you wanted was “bang” not “band”) NOW CLICK HERE!
My jaw fell when I read this. My younger brother is pretty severely autistic, and the thought of my father using a cattle prod on him….. wow.
Shock therapy is worth a shot for some people, but I think it should be administered by a professional. That child obviously has some severe problems that need attention, but I’m sure the cattle prod is scary as hell! It might make him stop doing what he’s doing, but it is in no way changing the mental/psychological processes that are causing him to bang his head against the wall.
I have a question for you; when you make a grammatical, typographical, or spelling error, why do you not go back and edit your entry to correct the error?
have you seen the movie “accepted” ?
anyways………if it’s working in a positive way to help him to progress and not just scaring him shitless into submission..then yeah, it works. but if it’s sheer terror, that’s messed up.
Parents were created to protect their children…and knowingly inflicting pain and suffering on them without good cause doesn’t rest easy. So I just hope they’re not like Dr. Frankenstein here,”It is alive!” yeah..scary thoughts going through MY head right now.
next quesion:
Would you give YOUR child shock therapy for a few behavioral malfunctions due to a mental handicap? Or would you seek other treatment?
lol.
A need is a need
kinda, yea………. idk
Um. how about no? probably not.
If it’s the only thing that works
Why not?
Of course it should be done by a professional
That just sounds to mean….
It’s the fact that they’re using an electric cattle prod of all things to treat their child
If it’s been proven to work , use shock treatment, but find a more humane means of delivering it (..or rename it) and ditch the “cattle prod”.
heck, why wait for the excuse of autism…I’ve been threatening mine for years! shapes em right up!
I liked stuartandabby’s explanation. Shock treatment for depression (ECT) has been studied for years (though it is still mildly controversial) and is only administered by a trained professional after a consent form is signed by the patient. It works by affecting the chemical balance in the brain. ECT is absolutely not comparable to parents’ shocking their autistic child when he bangs his head against the wall, which works by hurting/surprising the child into stopping the irrational behavior.
The parents really should consult a doctor (or multiple doctors) before they attempt this, but if it’s the only thing that works and gets the okay from medical professionals, I think it’s okay.
really go buy a cattle prod people! it is not that shocking, pardon the pun, and it is a behaivor deterent! as someone else has mentioned. also think 48 years old, grown man, probably a good 200 lbs, can anyone really think to themselves and believe it that a spanking or other more “humane method” exists? the article states the he re-acts adveresly to the medication, and as with most autistic people (he is not a child!) reason is not an option as he only speaks a few words! it sounds like a compulsive repetitive behaivor that he probably has no control over himself, much like ocd in others. also as it sounds like he only is at home at times, the shocking occured during a recent home visit, this leads me to conclude that he lives elsewhere! if this is really the only way the parents can control him when there are no medical professionals around (i’m thinking 300lb orderlies) what else is being suggested?
general question to all saying it shouldn’t be done, what should be done?
It’s really hard to say. It’s easy for all of us to pass judgment when it’s not our kid or our situation. I would love to say that I would *never* do such a thing. But neither of my children are autistic or out of control…well, at least not autistic.
Seriously though… Hmm..cattle prod…I never thought of that one… j/k
Absolutely NOT!
Behavior modification is a fancy way of saying “we beat you if you do what we don’t like”
You use behavior modification on dogs, not people and especially autistic people. There is a mind locked in those heads, the input/output is scrambled. No excuse, figure out autism. These parents should have had the resources to humanely have their 48 year old in a managed living setting.
MORE FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS FOR AUTISM!
Shock therapy, as many others have said, should only be administered by a doctor. I wouldn’t call using a “cattle prod” shock therapy either. Sounds more like these people have just found something their son reacts to. What the crap made them think of using a cattle prod in the first place? There is too much potential for abuse to allow people to continue to do this and right now the way they are doing it it is abuse.
their son is 48 years years old! if thats the only way to keep him from further damaging his brain by banging his head against a wall…then yeah
but only if its their last resort.
No.
why not?
I mean yes lol
I don’t really want to answer the question but I do want to mention something about the shock treatments.
We just finished a chapter of methods of therapy in AP Psychology class and this form of shock treatment is most likely called ECT, electroconvulsive therapy. And on a note for the severely depressed lady, ECT is used on depressed people who don’t respond to medication treatments. But there are a few side effects to this treatment such as memory loss and confusion.
:] Yay, that’s my knowledge of ECT from psychology. I AM learning something!
no!
Hmm…
It certainly seems the lesser of two evils. I don’t believe in hock treatments as a form of memory treatment, but for corrective behavior, especially on the regimented mind of an autistic person… well, again I say, it’s the lesser of two evils. I would take a spiritual approach to the man’s behavior, but if it comes down to it, I’d rather have them shock him than allow him to cause permanent physical and mental damage.
If it helps. Besides, as long as it doesn’t harm the kid and its the only thing that works, its okay.
If the shock therapy is the only thing that will help him, do they really have a choice?
If you dont deal with an autistic relative every day, then you really have no credibilty to judge. It’s not something that you can understand otherwise.
Light ‘em up
If the shock treatment didn’t hurt so much and it actually helped them significantly it might be worth it.
Geez. No. Hasn’t anyone read the Bell Jar?
Omg. I don’t know. My brother has autism- not as severely, but I can understand the frustration when an autistic person starts a repetitive behavior and you have no way to stop them. There have been times that, if I’d had a caddle prod, I sure would have whipped it out due to sheer frustration and helplessness. Hopefully I wouldn’t have used it, but I would have been sorely tempted.
There’s still so much research about autism that needs to be done. It’s incredible how much it’s proliferated and how little attention it gets (at least, factual attention). I am sure that there is a solution, or solutions, out there. And maybe this family has all the facts, maybe they don’t; maybe they’ve already tried every other kind of treatment they know of. And yeah, speaking from experience, I’d be at my wits’ end too. But there’s something so… dehumanizing about it. They’re treating him like a dumb animal, one who can’t understand what’s happening to him, or why he’s being punished for something that is not only right (in his mind), but a compulsion for him. They are punishing him because they can’t deal with his behavior, not even trying to reason with him. Reasoning is probably pointless, but should they resort to treating him like an animal? They’re using a cattle prod on him, for God’s sake. If they can’t handle him any other way, they should hire a caretaker(s) who can help deal with him, talk to more doctors, buy him a helmet so he doesn’t hurt himself as much. By shocking him, it’s basically just giving up any hope of treating him as a human being. He’s autistic- NOT braindead.
Oh, and that Israel guy is full of crap, I don’t care if he went to Harvard. He says he doesn’t like using drugs because it makes the “students too drowsy to learn.” Well gee, I wonder what thousands of shocks over the course of a lifetime are going to do to their brains?! And it seems like the whole point of the shock treatments is to make them submissive… same as drugs would do, and probably not very conducive to learning either. I don’t know a whole lot about shock therapies, but I doubt that, used as a regular treatment and, horrifyingly, punishment, is “harmless.”
Bottom line: I can comprehend the difficulty of the parents’ situation, and I know if I were in the same spot, I would try about anything to help my child, or at least control him. But using shocks as behavior modification is cruel, dehumanizing, and now, luckily, illegal for them. If the son is 48, I can imagine that the parents are older, most likely set in their ways and inclined to choose the path of least resistance because they’re probably worn out from dealing with their son all these years. (That’s why he’s in a group home- which I’m not saying is a bad reflection on them neccessarily, it just indicates that they aren’t equipped to take care of him.) They may not be open to or even aware of new treatments, especially if shock treatment has worked for them for awhile. So I think they should seek out new treatment.
Wow, that was long.
Oh, and I absolutely agree with Benjimon76. There has GOT to be a better solution, and research is the only thing that will find it. No excuses for not trying- and again, I am speaking both as a person and as a relative of someone with autism.
Oh what fun!
Actually I dont know enough about dealing with autism to know if this is good or bad.
That’s a tough one. I think any of the, you know, doctors or other people they consult for their child should have some say — if they think it’s okay (after all, it’s stopping him from hurting himself by banging himself against the wall), then it should be okay. I guess.
umm has anyone seen velvet goldmine, the movie with christian bale and ewan mcgregor where there’s the guy kurt wilde who was a glam rockstar but his parents gave him shock treatment to try and straighten him out as a child and then he went crazy? well i have. it’s a good movie. but it makes me think of shock treatment as really barbaric and threatening.
Unless it’s a medically autheticated method of treatment, the parents should be able to present their case thoroughly. If it isn’t, jail time!!
’nuff said….
shock therapy is different than shocking your autistic child because of their behavior.
I do not have an autistic child and I doubt it is enough of a shock to physical harm their child. I know I wouldn’t be able to do it to my own child, so I am pretty sure these people were really torn by this decision. I doubt they are getting any sadistic pleasure out of shocking him. Banging his head on the wall is probably more dangerous.
I wonder if it helps with migraines
Do you mean bang not band.
I’m probably the 100th person to tell you. Eek.
There is some kind of Genetic thing in my family…we have alot ofalcoholics, clinical depressions, and suicide attempts (and one family member was born retarded) My thing is depression and ADHD. It’s been around at least since my grandmothers time. She went through some old school shock treatments 0_0 I’m glad they don’t have that today
That is fucked up.
If it works why not?
Which is worse, giving a shock treatment that appears to be effective, or pump them full of drugs which will have dire effects on the liver and kidneys and don’t seem to work?
I hate the idea of judging these parents as few of us can possibly understand what is going on in their son’s life. In cases where the child (adult or not) is at severe risk of seriously harming himself, then surely something must be done. However, as the parent of an autistic child who also bangs his head when he is upset, I know that there are medications out there that help. Yet, maybe these parents already tried that. We all think we know what we would do, but honestly…you have no idea what you will do when it is your child and there is little to no services available to help your child. The key to limiting this sort of thing is to increase services and assistance to families. Instead of judging these parents, we should be trying to help them get the help their son needs. It is a far more productive way to spend time than to sit around discussing whether what they are doing is right or wrong.
sometimes things can be pretty rough. I would NOT like 2c any “legislation” that would automatically comdemn such behavior. How to legislate love? I think there should be social worker type teams, where such people could consult. And make things “public record.” Prayers for them, and us all.
Why not just get rid of the kid altogether and get one that doesn’t require a cattle prod?
No. Those parents should be arrested for abuse.
Well, it sounds like the cattle prod thing was a last resort, and in my oppinion its better to cause a little pain to someone to save them from serious damage or death, than to let them continue hurting themselves. I mean, what would happen if people bitched to much about getting a vaccination shot? Would we band shots??
Also, I find it kinda funny that all the people not opposed to the idea (in general) all provide reasons. Almost everyone against basically says “umm, no.”
Maybe some people need to reason. lol
(totally kidding about that last part)
Squeakysoul is right – we should allow such treatments, because they do work great for some people, but we should only use them as a last resort… And only if they end up working for that person.
Yes. As a last resort, probably.