June 16, 2007
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Feminist
I am a feminist. I believe women should be treated equal to men.
Mike Nifong, the attorney general in the Duke lacrosse case, is being held accountable.
He has resigned from his position and may be disbarred. Here is the link: Link
Reade Seligmann was charged with two other men just because he was accused of rape. Here is a video of his testimony: Link
We should charge people that are accused of crimes. The court system is designed to find out the truth.
This is where my feminist side kicks in. I want the woman in this case to be treated equally. The state attorney general has said that her story had serious “inconsistencies.”
Why is the woman in this case not being held accountable?
I have posted about this before when the charges were dropped and I heard a few answers. It was suggested that she had mental problems. But the reality is that people with mental problems are brought to trial all the time and the courts are designed to deal with this problem. Mental problems have never stopped a person from getting forced treatment when it comes to committing a crime.
Mike Nifong has lost his job because he was overzealous or because he may have lied. The only way that can be determined is if he was held accountable. The system goes through a course to determine that.
These men were accused of rape. The only way we could determine if this was true was for them to go through the process to determine if they were guilty.
Should the woman be held accountable?
Comments (66)
HECK YEAH THEY SHOULD
sorry for all caps….. its how i type at work…
She should be held accountable, no question.
All women should be held accountable.
Everyone should be held accountable.
I believe so. Equality goes both ways, not just in favor of women.
Yes, anyone who accuses someone falsely of a crime should be held accountable for their destruction of an innocent persons life. Mike Nifong should also be held accountable to these three boys for ruining their lives. I believe he knew without a doubt these boys were innocent but saw media coverage for himself out of it and ran with the allegations without thinking the truth would prevail. Dear Mr. Nifong and the “victim” should learn that the truth does prevail.
I so agree with you, she needs to be held accountable for what seems to be a lie that she told, I cant believe she went through all of this and put those boy’s through it and she is not being charged
absolutely!
yes.
There no doubt in this case she should be held accountable. But I still feel sorry for her, she is one screwed up woman. And she was used by Mike Nifong, in his real pursuit of reelection, it had nothing to do with the pursuit of justice.
If there were any justice at all, Mike Nifong would be in jail.
Yes, women should be held accountable. I am getting tired of women calling wolf all the time.
If there is a good deal of evidence proving she lied, then yes.
Yes, she needs to be held accountable.
YES. She should definitely be charged…
absolutely she should be held accountable…but not in the frenzied way that the former defendants were. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and she (and Mr. Nifong) still deserve a fair trial.
yes. i also want apologies from al sharpton and jesse jackson for how they treated the men accused.
there was an uprising (and rightfully so) in the black community after imus’ “nappy headed…” comment of the rutgers women’s basketball team. imus lost his job.
the duke lacrosse players underwent much more heated opposition to the point that reputations and job futures were destroyed.
“I know this DA is probably not one that is crazy. He would not have proceeded if he did not feel that he could convict. So it tells me that all of what you said is either not true or he has convincing evidence that would certainly knock that out.” – al sharpton
“Jackson said that the “rush to exonerate the innocent has caused nearly everyone to overlook this woman’s tremendous talent.” “Despite considerable exonerating forensic evidence, this woman was able to convince a white prosecutor to accept her allegations and prosecute these white boys,” Jackson pointed out. “She also got 88 members of the Duke faculty to make a public statement condemning the lacrosse team. I’m telling you, she’s one persuasive mutha. There’s a future for her in my orgasm if she wants it.”” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1817906/posts
Yes, she should not get special treatment for being female. Women must be accountable for their actions, too.
the media should be held accountable too. They helped to try these men in the court of public opinion, and they were convicted even though the evidence doesn’t support guilt.
she should be held accountable, but you hold far too much faith in the court system.
Hell yes.
as a woman who has actually been raped, I said at the time of all of this, that these boys were innocent and that she was lying. Low and behold- I was right!
Women who falsely accuse men of rape should be subjected to the same process as the men they accused. However, the fear generated by women who falsely accuse should also be addressed. Women who are legitimately raped fail to report it because of this fear of not being believed- because the media sensationalizes the “crying wolf” syndrome. There needs to be more education through the media about legitimate accusations of rape, so there isn’t a perception that all women who are raped are liars.
absolutely she should be held accountable…….women cry for equality, then that means equality across the board, not some here, some there, but only where it is not too much for them…..it’s bullshit…..feminism is just a platform anymore, it’s not a true equality and not taken seriously….women are not equal to men, and they never will be, nor should they be, and yes this is coming from a woman
absolutely! women need to learn they can’t go out and cry rape, if for no other reason then to protect actual rape victims.
i think so… at least charge her with purgery or something like that.
I think she should’ve been held accountable. These guys had their lives and reputations ruined by this trial because of what she did. It’s disgusting how stupid some woman can be to go to such lengths to get money or to get even.
I hope she gets what she gave. And I think the same for all woman who are willing to cheat, lie, steal, manipulate and whatever they can think of for their own personal gain.
Yes, she should be held accountable for false accusation. It makes it harder on those women who have actually been raped to be treated fairly.
If a woman has been raped, regardless of her past or recent history with men, the man should be charged, tried, and sentenced. If a woman lies about being raped and ruins people’s lives as she has done, I think a civil suit should be brought against her for damages.
And in a perfect world, the woman who kills a sadistic, abusive husband would not get more time in prison than a man who kills his wife and unborn child, but that happens, too.
The legal system is not fair and still favors men over women. My guess is that if this woman is charged, and she should be, that her sentence will be harsher because a lot of people will hate her not only for what she did to the guys but how hard she has made it for other women.
Of course, they have a side in the story too. There are mean cruel women out there just like there are cruel men. I wouldn’t put it past a woman because some women know that if they don’t like a guy, they can get him in a situation that can compromise his reputation easily. Crying rape is one of the easiest ways you can take advantage of a man because it’s such a sensitive subject. Police know that!
Of course she does, but she still needs a fair trial.
If there is sufficient reason to believe she was intentionally lying, yes.
But I wouldn’t want women (or anyone else) to think they have to fear prosecution just because they failed to prove their allegations.
Yes, she should. However…you aren’t a feminist. lol. Your definition must be different than mine.
Definitely.
Yes, I believe everyone should be held accountable. However, I would just like to suggest, in this case, while there may not have been the proper evidence to charge and go to trial for the crime committed by these players, that doesn’t necessarily mean they didn’t do it. Many rapes cases never go to trial or see convictions, this doesn’t mean they didn’t happen. Similarly, if the evidence – without a doubt – doesn’t exist to prove this woman wasn’t raped, then she, just as the players, shouldn’t go to trial for it. Our justice system isn’t perfect, but we also don’t go to trial unless the prosecution believes they can prove – without a doubt – that the person in question committed the crime in question. I am not saying that this woman is telling the truth or that these players did commit rape, I am just saying that I DON’T KNOW. Therefore I believe that that unless evidence proves for absolute certain that she wasn’t raped and that she fabricated her story completely, she shouldn’t be taken to trial just as the players weren’t taken to trial.
I agree with hmmbumpus!
She should be held accountable but there needs to be an understanding that she probably had no clue what she was doing and is today probably wondering what on earth happened. It really could be that somewhere down the line she was raped and this was some psychotic recall of the event.
These young men would not have ever dealt with any of this had they not been hiring strippers in the first place.
Yes.
Certainly and she should have to pay all the court fees from the case too.
Of course she should.
Yeah, she should.
Yes!
Most definitely.
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A million times YES! She should be held accountable for her actions. I was actually talking about this with my parents yesterday. Ironic…
you’re using the term feminist in the wrong way…yes you make a point … but I think your use of it was somewhat condescending…(don’t ask me to explain why because I really don’t know… haha)but yes, the woman should be held accountable.. she was an idiot…. but I don’t think that has anything to do with feminism…
She probably should be charged with something, but I don’t think she will be.
As far as having to go through the process to find out if they were guilty, the process in this case shouldn’t have taken a year. Last May it was obvious there wasn’t any evidence and Nifong kept pushing forward. Reade Seligmann had an airtight alibi, but Nifong didn’t want to hear it. The accuser had changed her story multiple times, but Nifong didn’t even bother to talk to her until December! The photo lineup was not valid. The DNA evidence didn’t match up with the players. The case fell apart almost as quickly as it began, but Nifong let those boys suffer needlessly for a year because he wanted to be re-elected.
And yes, Nifong should be disbarred and probably in jail.
These guys have had their lives ruined. Anything they may accomplish in the professional world will be overshadowed by what they were ACCUSED of doing but did not do. The evidence proved this. Nifong withheld the DNA evidence and made statements to the media to make condemn the three men.
As for the woman, if she knowingly lied and accused these men, then she should be held accountable.
Absolutely!!
Yes. Anyone who falsely accuses someone of a crime should most definitely be held accountable.
Absolutely. I believe that women who cry rape should receive almost as harsh a sentence as a rapist. Rape will not be tolerated, and neither should making light of it by using it as an excuse for poor judgement.
Before I make any blanket statement, I would like to see all the facts of this case. Once I saw them I could make a sweeping proclamation and be right, but right now I have no clue about this.
Does anyone?
If it looks like she made a false report, absolutely. And if I were the men, I would sue her for slander…the case is certainly public enough to have a shot at making the case.
She should absolutely be held accountable. If her accusations are false, then the courts should charge her.
hek yes she should be
I cannot imagine what would happen (being a youth minister) if one of my youth accused me of such a thing. I mean, it would be false of course, but even if she was later proven to ahve lied my reputation would still be lost and she would likely be seen as someone who was seeking attention or something, everyone would fele bad for her (oh, she made amistake they would say) while the guy would have to live the rest of his life being looked at and mocked – judged by something he did not even do.
I feel for him and his family and friends
she should be tried and convicted (at least of slander)
Daniel (doubledb)
YES. She lied and she caused a huge uproar, and it doesn’t matter about anything else, because she KNEW she was lying when she told the story.
Yeah, but i dont see how you punish her..he’s not being charged with anything….
You’re a feminist? I knew it!
I’m all for all involved in this horrible case be held accountable.
But Let’s not just stop at Niifong and the accuser. Don’t forget the roles of Reverends Jackson and Sharpton. And definitely don’t forget the role the Media played in all this.
While Legal charges cannot be filed against either of those parties, we must hold them accountable and try them in the court of public opinion.
All those poor kids wanted to do was get an education and play lacrosse now they are scarred for life.
If the ‘activists’ and the media had stayed out of it. the authorities could have done their investigation, Niifong could have made his determination.
If he had shown courage he’d have a job today.
Yes.
Yes. We all knew she was lying from the start.
I think that part of the reason that the courts don’t prosecute women who falsely accuse men of rape is because then it risks women who legitimately accuse men of rape, but somehow lose the case (oh yeah, it happens fellas) at risk for prosecution. It creates a stigma that would only make it even LESS likely that women would ever charge a man with rape. Rape is a unique crime. It is a crime that can…and I say this in the most delicate sense…only be perpetrated towards women. (whether you agree or disagree, women are not so capable of penetrating a man. therefore, the nature of a male rape is entirely different from that of a female…I imagine. and this is exclusively considering adults. not at all children.)I think that the women that cry wolf are left alone not for their own sake, but for the sake of the true victims. Actual rape victims pay close attention to these types of cases. It means something to them that I can’t even imagine or genuinely empathize with.Furthermore, if women were prosecuted for crying rape and failing to get a conviction, it would create a tragic precedent for the American legal system. A murderer who is not convicted (innocent or not) could then have his accusers prosecuted. Etc. That being said, I don’t think that women should get away with fraudulent rape charges. But rape is an act of patriarchy, and you can’t prosecute the general victims of patriarchy without first indicting patriarchs and the system that surrounds the false accusations. You will not stop rape by stopping the liars, you’ll stop the rape victims. All I’m saying is that until patriarchy ends, a few women crying wolf is the least we men can take for the kind of disrespectful deeds we have perpetrated against women since the birth of civilization. Equality first, prosecution second.
“All those poor kids wanted to do was get an education and play lacrosse now they are scarred for life.”
Okay, now. Let’s not begin painting the lacrosse players as saints. They didn’t deserve to be falsely accused, but she was a stripper, and they did hire her. They’re guilty of having the typical chauvanistic male ethos, nothing more, nothing less. While I don’t believe that they raped her, I do believe that they wanted to at least have sex with her. Otherwise, she wouldn’t be stripping!
And, yeah, Jackson and Sharpton should be slapped for some of their less pc comments surrounding this case (and others for that matter) but they don’t need to be indicted for it. Come on. Don’t act like you’ve never said anything stupid before. Just because they’re public figures doesn’t mean they should be treated as though they’re better than me or you. Mistakes happen. I do think they should apologize, but don’t get your panties in a bunch people. The lacrosse players are not “innocents” they are innocent.
Yes.
If they where raped, no. If not, yes.
Absolutely! There is no doubt in my mind that the court system in the U.S. is completely biased against men.
Absolutely! Talk about sexist. This woman needs to get what she deserves for lying and making these mens’ lives hell: jailtime.
Hell yes! Those poor boys will be dealing with this for the rest of thier lives. Its thier turn for justice.
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