June 28, 2007
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Spanking Paddle
I was watching Fox News this morning where they were talking about Joey.
Joey makes paddles and gives them out for free.
If you can’t pick one up, he will send you one for only $5.75.
Joey doesn’t believe in spanking a child in anger. He believes that punishment should be fair and thought out.
He even suggest making an appointment for punishment. Here is the link: Link
Is it child abuse to hit your child with a paddle?
Comments (159)
FIRST
No, it is not!
I don’t necessarily think its “abuse”-but it’s certainly not what would be my form of discipline for children.
hmmm i y use a paddle when u can use your hand
nope-but he forgot to drill holes in them.
no.
i was always spanked..with a paddle..or hand.
i’m fine.
No. Not if it’s done in moderation.
It isn’t. That’s the way I was raised only I got the belt instead of the paddle.
Spanking restores discipline. I mean, think about all those little kids that run around who m,isbehave and get in trouble. Their parents never taught them discipline.
It isn’t. That’s the way I was raised only I got the belt instead of the paddle.
Spanking restores discipline. I mean, think about all those little kids that run around who m,isbehave and get in trouble. Their parents never taught them discipline.
i hate how verses from the Bible are taken out of context. the context of sparing the rod is for discipline…not use of a paddle. last i knew discipline comes in many forms and depends on the nature of the offense.
If kids got their backsides “fired up” more we would have a lot less deflicted gen X twenty-somethings today.
I know parents who spank responsibly and effectively and I know parents who are abusive . I think if you are going to spank , a wooden spoon (what my mom used) etc.is better than a hand, it gives you a little time to think and calm down while you are getting it. I do hate to see a kid being hit for hitting someone.
My aunt and uncle said any form of physical discipline was abuse. Their kids run amock, hit eachother instead, and are all under the age of ten and call eachother ‘faggots’.
I don’t think you should physically discipline anywhere but the bottom, and not enough to bruise. No face, thanks.
My parents used to spank me with a wooden spoon; that’s what their parents did. I don’t think it’s necessarily abusive, as I don’t think I was abused, (though obviously it could be) but I certainly don’t think it should be a preferred disciplinary method and I would NEVER use it if I had children.
Not if they limit it to spanking for punishment. We had a slotted wooden spoon we were spanked with and you are darn sure that when threatened with the spoon, 9 times out of 10 we shaped up!
Not at all. It is abuse to raise a child without any concept of right and wrong. It is abuse when a child does not understand there are consequences for bad behavior. I wonder if Paris Hilton was ever taught right from wrong and that there are consequences. I’ll bet she knows now!
not in the very least. that’s why you end up with spoiled brats that you see on Supernanny and Nanny911.
After yesterday, I’m prepared to beat some ass today. And for all those taking a survey, YES I DO SPANK MY CHILD AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO IT!!!
You should stop by my site Dan. I just put up an appropriate song for the occasion.
I got the belt, which hurt like a mofo. I don’t know if a paddle would be any better, but I think it would be weird to be spanked with an implement signed “love Joey”.
With a paddle, yes.
Oh and no it is not abuse, as long as it’s a spanking, within reason, and not done in anger.
Why am I the only one that said it is abusive? I’ve only been spanked once, maybe twice. I’m pretty good.
MY parents used a barrel stave and I would never consider myself abused… so I have to say no… My sister is a principal though and if they hear a child saying they have been hit with something they are supposed to report it… I won’t tell you what she does because I don’t know…
Ang
Sometimes. But it is when it goes to far. I remember my stepfather hitting me 55 times with a belt when I was 10. That’s abuse. It’s not abuse for 5 though.
Discipline is an important part of raising a child. Really, a paddle is no more abusive than a hand. It’s all on how and the reasons for that kind of punishment. You can go overboard with a paddle just as much as your hand. I would just say to use discretion. That time out shit is a waste of time.
I was hit with rulers, and those hangers when I was younger.
You can use pretty much anything to hit.
Well, maybe not glass bottles and such.
My parents used the belt.. and believe me it only took once.
It is not abuse to spank your own child with a paddle. BUT if any teachers spank my child, they will have to deal with me!
i was spanked with a paddle. my mom kept finding it in the trash and under the couch. lol. no it’s not abuse, if you were hitting out of anger yes.
My parents rarely spanked, but I don’t think I would have held it against them if they used it as a main form of punishment. Pain is your body’s natural way of telling you not to do something, so why shouldn’t it be your parent’s way, too? It’s clearly effective, If I get burned from a stove, I’m damn well not going to touch it again, but if the stove sends me to a time out instead, I’m not really going to understand the consequence of my actions.
I say not.. but i was spanked by belts and not huge boards of wood. But it was a deterent for my in elementry school to behave – lest I face the wrath of the wooden paddle.
Daniel (doubledb)
it seems a little excessive. i’m not against spanking by hand if the occaision warrents it though
This just seems wrong to me.
Heeeey…I got a similar paddle at PrideFest. :-p
As a person with ADD, I know a “time-out” wouldn’t do shit with me, or my sister who has ADHD. Naturally you can abuse it but being overzealous with it but I do believe in disaplining and that does include spanking.
LMAOOOOOO this dude is crazy!
What is wrong with the world today is that children are not puniched properly. I WILL spank my kids.
I don’t think spanking is abusive…I just hope that everyone who receives one of Joey’s paddles follows his advice and never uses them in anger.
If it leaves a serious mark, it’s abuse. When done right it should sting and smart but not injure. So I would definitely disagree with a blanket statement that all spanking is abuse, or that all spanking is not abuse.
Incidentally hat’s one thing that’s so great about one’s backside–mostly padding, no vital organs in that region.
My parents kept their paddle hanging on the wall in the kitchen. They got too many strange looks from guests, so my mother hot-glued some fake poinsettia blossoms to the back of it, so it looked decorative. You couldn’t tell what it was until it was taken off the wall and turned around.
Depends on the situation.
If you try to solve everything with a “because I said so” and a beating, a child isn’t going to understand why you want certain behavior over others, and they aren’t going to respect anyone who resorts to violence to get their way every time.
That aside, a person who has this much zeal for spanking kids is a fucking nut.
IF they didn’t whup my ass when i was a chile i’d be dead or in prison like a lot of my homies
Depends where you hit them
no spanking is not child abuse. as far as scheduling a time for punishment, thats going a little too far.
I think anyone with a lack of intellect and verbal skills can use these for persuasion. Otherwise, use what you have. Spanking just makes a parent’s exploding point too obvious. It really shows that the child is in control, mentally.
within reason, no. there is a huge difference between disciplining your child, and beating them. the way he suggested thinking about it before you discipline them, and not doing it in the heat of the moment, is exactly the attitude people should have. i was spanked all through my childhood. i have come out perfectly fine and unmarred.
As long as there’s no bruising or bleeding, go ahead and spank. Don’t do it out of anger, of course, and use it as a last measure. I was spanked, my brothers were, and pretty much everyone i know was, and we’re okay. People have been spanking their kids, well, probably since kids first came around.
–amanda.
It can be. It doesn’t seem to be what Joey is advocating.
there are way too many undiciplined children these days. i’m certainly not for abuse, but a good spanking on the butt can solve a bunch of problems. screw this correctness shit.
I think there’s better ways to control your child’s behavior. Maybe it’s not as easy as a few swipes across the ass, but I think controlling their behavior with other means is probably better.
I don’t think of people that use spanking as their main form of discipline as abusive, just lazy.
When I was in elementary school, our principal had a paddle. As a kid, I thought it was enormous, wide with holes in the center. However this was done as a last resort, so everyone knew that if you got paddled, well, you seriously screwed up bad. Punishments like this that are done on rare times are more effective than the spanking that is done daily and/or weekly. The ones you fear are the ones you respect.
The paddles I made for my children (two boys) were thicker than his, shorter, but with rounded edges. I made two so that when they have kids they each can have one. :~)
My child ran out into the street when he was a toddler. I spanked him hoping it would deter any future forays into traffic. A healthy fear of consequences is not a bad thing. One doesn’t logically reason with a toddler before the age of reason. Spanking can be effective.
I’m not sure how I feel about “spanking” in general and it definitely can be abusive. It never helped me since I still turned out badly. I would have been much better off not being spanked.
On the other hand, since it is no longer considered correct to “correct” or discipline a child in school, the violence has increased at least 100 fold! Formerly in the schools, there was a fear of the paddle and guess what,? The classrooms were orderly and it resulted in an environment where kids could actually learn.
So…I see inconsistancies in the above statements…I think I’ll run for political office
Althie
nope.
well, depends on how it’s done.
hmmm….I don’t smoke, I don’t cuss, I share, I am nice to others, I get good grades, I work hard….It seems like spanking really works.
It’s not abuse! Kids need correction, and “sweet talk” doesn’t work!
“Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; The rod of correction will drive it far from him.“ Proverbs 22:15
I spank my son with a paddle, but I never spank him without hugging and kissing him after so that he knows no matter how much a discipline him, I will always love him. I also make sure he knows why he’s getting a spanking, not just because he “made mommy mad.”
Spanking without love and consistency can be abuse, yes.
Sorry, I posted that too soon. Here’s some more:
“The rod and rebuke give wisdom: But a child left to himself brings shame to his mother.” Proverbs 29:15
“He who spares his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him promptly.” Proverbs 13:24
“Do not withhold correction from a child: For if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You will beat him with a rod, And deliver his soul from hell.” Proverbs 23:13-14
No, it’s not abuse to paddle your child. Discipline needs to be taught, I think society has gotten aay from that and we’re seeing the effects with children who have no concept of right or wrong. I think if a child does something that warrants a paddling then thats what they should get. And they should be told why they are being paddled. I think this guy Joey has the right idea, and I give him alot of credit.
seriousbethy is totally right! (IMO)
But, why buy one for 6 bucks when paint sticks are free at Home Depot?
yes.
Not at all…I was spanked with a paddle when needed and I came out fine…loved and supported by my parents. I spank my child now…not with a paddle yet…but we did just get a paint stirrer and I think I am going to use that for major issues cause he just laughs at spankings sometimes and he’s only 2!!!!
I teach enough kids that are not disciplined and they are a nightmare. Kids like discipline..they like to know the boundaries and to test them to be sure those boundaries are firm…if they are not then the kids don’t feel secure and stable…
I am a firm believer in responsible discipline and lots of love!
I was spanked as a child and honestly, it never did anything but reinforce the rules that were set and then broken…
I suffer no long-term affects from it!
*hugs*
Naw. I got the paddle (and hand, and belt, and spoon) plenty of times, and it did me plenty of good.
Afterthought. I’m not really fond of guys like Joey. He makes it seem like Christians, or Conservatives, or whatever (the majority of people who do spank) just love to beat on their kids. It puts us in that Bible beater, kid beater, gay basher stereotype. I hope my kids never think I am eager to spank them.
a paddle’s a tad excessive but i find nothing wrong with spanking
Swats are fine just don’t leave a mark and with the case of a paddle I think it is mainly to scare them. And time outs are a crock of SH*T, unless you have them in a chair facing the wall and everyone else is having fun
that’s a little strange, especially how they have volunteers making the paddles.
I’ve read a lot about disciplining children lately (I have 2 year old twins..lol!) and of the 1% of “experts” that say it’s ok to spank children, half say it’s better to spank children with something, so they don’t confuse your hands with something that hurts. However, it seems a little worse to me to hit kids with something…
No way! My mom used to spank me with a wooden spoon, and it was never out of anger. She “made appointments” in a way, too — we’d be somewhere and she would say “you’re getting a spanking when we get home.” Waiting for it was worse than getting hit right then and there would’ve been.
i have a sister in law who was completely against any form of spanking/hitting her son, and let me tell you he was obnoxious…he wasnt unruly, or out of control, just smarmy and would try to get away with little things when mom and dad werent looking (when aunty sara was watching him for instance)..he did throw tantrums a lot, and everyone did as she wished and tried reasoning with him, but it didnt work out too well…he was just getting to the point where reasoning with him did nothing, he didnt care (he is 5), and in most instances just didnt understand..so she looked into it, and decided to start smacking his hands with a wooden spoon..she didnt like it, and didnt smack him hard, just enough to smart…she does make like an appointment, if they are in the middle of him getting ready for school for instance she will say “ok, you are getting 2 smacks in 20 minutes, and if you keep it up, there will be more..” and i do think thats a good way of calming herself down, and saves time when you are in the middle of something..and boy let me tell you, the difference in that kid once he started getting pain as a punishment (hes a big baby about pain)…he doesnt talk back to her (or anyone else!), he doesnt yell at her, and he doesnt throw as many tantrums….
now while that is an isolated instance, and just my personal experience i can say that most kids dont like to get spanked or hit with anything…so when that becomes the consequence of behavior that is just unacceptable, it tends to deter them from it i would think…
i do agree that some parents are abusive with it, and do it in anger..i dont agree with that at all, thats how i was raised…and i think once my comment to my father was “if you spank me i wont learn a lesson, i will just be mad at you!” yeah i was waaaay to smart for my own good, and a waaaay too much of a smart ASS…lol
hell no. not if used as discipline and with the purpose of molding the child into a strong moral adult.
kids used to have it much worse
The paddle is unnecessary.
It’s not abused if you don’t wanna beat the crap out of the child.
When I was a kid I got slapped on the palm with a wooden spoon. I didn’t consider it abuse then, nor do I think of it as abuse now. Yeah, it stung getting whacked, but the worst part was waiting while my mom got the spoon. I spent more time regretting my actions (and wishing I hadn’t gotten caught, of course) than I ever did feeling the sting.
Paddles could certainly be used for abuse, Heck, anything could be used for abuse. But it doesn’t have to be that way. Personally, I wouldn’t use a paddle.
I think it all depends on how often and how hard you hit the child.
nah. It’s not my cup of tea.. but I see no problem with it. I just don’t think I could do it… or at least not a lot…. I only remember being spanked a few times… and…. it never really scared me. haha
well think about this… whats worse spanking ur child with a rod on the ass till there about 12… or makin em sit in the corner all there life? or getting grounded all the time?
its not abuse… heck i got it u dont see me squakin about it… its quick its easy… an then its over… gives the kids something to fear too… all the rebulus lil kids these days… paddle there butt see how long they stay rebelus…
Yes, and I think that the fact that this goes on is disgusting. It’s not “whapping” a child lightly on the bum, it’s whacking them with a cricket bat! It’s madness! Disgusting…
I think a paddle sounds good. Especially if you make the kid go get it… ughhh, the dread! It’ll only take two, maybe three paddlings before he/she straightens out.
Nah, as long as it isn’t overboard and it’s because the child deserves to be disciplined. Why not just use a hand or belt, though?
Abuse = not spanking your child when s/he deserves it.
Depends on how hard and where you hit the kid. Face= abuse. Bottom= punishment.
Some brats just need a hard, wooden slap on the ass.
It’s not considered abuse in China =(
It’s better than grounding kids anyway, which is completely ineffective. “You’re grounded for the weekend!” the parents say, whereafter the child goes to his room, slamming the door, and watches TV, listens to his iPod, talks on the cellphone, or plays videogames.
No.
Flyback paddle? No. That kind? Yes!
yeah. . .
There’s no reason for hitting.
Would we justify this behavior for other adults? You’ve been bad so need to be physically hit. . .fighting is not the same thing, fighting is them being all rowdy.
If you’re leaving bruises and welts, then yes. If you’re hitting the kid more than 5 times, then yes. And if you’re spanking out of pure fury and anger, that’s not good either.
Personally I think if more kids were taken and bent over a knee occassionally, we might have less problems. I work in a mall, and it’s so easy to see which kids there have had some amount of discipline and structure in their lives, and which have just been allowed to run amok.
That being said, he forgot to drill holes in the thing. My Mom always kept a big wooden spoon in the glove compartment in the car. Boy did that sting.
There are so many, much better ways of disciplining a child that teach much better lessons than simply “you do bad, I hit you.” Physical punishments like this teach children to avoid getting caught. Instead, parents can implement punishments that “fit the crime” and are related (for example– you toilet paper the neighbor’s house? Your punishment is to clean it up) that teach you the natural consequence of your actions (like how big a pain in the ass it is to clean that tp, making you think next time you get the urge to tp someone’s house).
These other forms of punishment can also be kept up past the point at which the child is bigger/stronger than the parent, a constant problem with physical punishment.
PS- It really grates my nerves when people use the excuse that “well, I got hit and it worked for me!” to prove that hitting is good discipline.
Well, I was NEVER hit and I turned out pretty great, too. WHAT’S YOUR POINT?
Only if done in a violent way.
I just bought a paddle the other day. Before that I used a belt and before that my hand. It started hurting my hand, so I quit using that. There is nothing wrong with it as long as it is not abusive or done in anger. You have to get their attention.
NO! The Bible is very clear about that. Training a child is all part of the discipline. If you do it right, you will have very well-behaved, respectful children who will obey. If you don’t, you will pay the consequences in many different forms. I did not have a paddle, but I did have a large wooden cooking spoon that has served me well through five children. The thing most people don’t understand is that once the main rule is established – “Do Not Disobey” then the spankings are fewer and farther between. When they understand and decide that it much wiser to obey, then you do not have to punish. Simple as that.
HAH. I think making appointments is a good idea!
That way you’re not doing it an anger. You’ve calmed down and will punish fairly and with moderation.
No, I dont want my child to end up like Paris Hilton.
i agree with imnrdh…and even though it’s not considered child abuse, i think it should be…you are hitting your child with a wooden board, if you hit an adult with a wooden board, it’s considered assult, so whats the difference
spanking a kid is not child abuse when its done when they’re a baby and they don’t understand any other type of punishment. and it isn’t child abuse when hitting a kid who won’t respond to other type of punishments 1st. and it IS child abuse when you hit them like a gajillion times though…
there’s a line between spanking and beating, as long as you don’t cross that line, spankings are a much better preventative measure than, *gasp*, timeout.
i either got the backhand or the belt. leather hurts like a bitch
PFFT. A paddle? Belts sting. ‘Specially when you are bare.
I was spanked when I disobeyed. Not if I ate a piece of cookie before dinner. If I repeatedly did wrong, sinned, did it in secret, and refused to obey, I got spanked. Plain and simple. Now my Dad gets comments like: Wow! Your child is so well behaved, Why are your children so mature?, I wish my kids would behave so, etc.
Nope.
Of course not.
No more than eating 1 burger makes you a glutton. Its about moderation.
that is disgusting
Assuming it isn’t done out of anger, but rather to bring the child back in line with how an obedient child should be on, I think using a paddle, or hand, or belt, or fly-swatter is fine for spanking a child with. Once a parent lashes out in anger, or goes beyond simply trying to teach their child what is acceptable and not in life, then spanking, or other forms of punishment can very easily become abuse.
I received a number of spankings as a child, not as many as I deserved though, and they helped me become the person I am today. As some have pointed out, we have a large part of a generation of teens and college students today that have never faced discipline, or been told no, and look at where’s its brought us.
Your kidding right? I’m glad this guy wasn’t around when I’m was a kid.
Where are the speed holes??? Geeze, no one knows how to make a decent paddle these days!
I don’t like spanking at all. I don’t see how hitting a child will make them behave, except for right after they’re hit. To me, spanking is like putting a band aid on a cancerous tumor. The best kind of discipline is one that changes the mentality of the disobedient child. My parents hit me with a belt. When I was a kid, my parents always told me they loved me after they spanked me…that really pissed me off. Every time they said that I would think to myself “if you love me so much, why are you hitting me?”
Yeah, I have issues with spanking.
*gets off soapbox*
i don’t think it’s abuse, but i wouldn’t do it.
Well, by today’s definitions everything is child abuse.
Yes. That’s a little bit over the top.
It’s not abuse. Children who are not spanked tend to be wild as teens.
You know how I know this?
I was one.
A wild teen who could “not be hit” as a child. It misfired.
I got spanked with a paddle when I was a kid, I turned out fine. (It was one of those paddle ball paddles with the ball yanked off, or a wooden spoon not that big ‘ole hazing paddle shown)
I was never hit, but I sure learned to respect my parents. I think parents who spank their children do not respect their children. Not only physically but mentally. I have often found the reasoning behind spankin is that the parent assumes the child is too young (here I am assuming teens no longer get spanked) to understand why something is wrong and thus must learn to fear doing the thing that is wrong.
One time, I threw a rock at anoterh kid in the playground. My dad saw, and came storming across the sand box to me. He didn’t even drag me away. Granted, he wasnt the picture of Buddha here, and was obviously trying to control his temper, but he managed and explained to me precisely why physical violence is wrong. I never got into another fight in my life.
Yes.
Look a lot like a wooden spoon I came to be very familiar with as a child. Disciplining your child isn’t abuse.
Yeah. If you do it hard. Geesh.
But its not when you’re just feeling sexually experimental and you wanta play around with the paddle. Then thats just fun.
Kinky!
When you do it out of anger yes. If a parent is going to do it, I think they should wait a few minutes to calm themselves, and when they paddle the child to have a set number of times they’re going to do it. That’s what my parents did when I was little.
well no…if you use it for the reason of discipline. otherwise it is
No.
If done reasonably, then nah.
No. Just don’t do it in anger. Do it young and you shouldn’t have to do it later. And keep it for serious offenses when nothing else will get the kid’s attention. Spend a lot of time talking to them afterwards.
only if used exsessivly and pointlessly.
my parents stopped spanking us when we were about 8 or 9. i turned out okay. i guess. lol.
when i was little, and i was spanked for somthing, i didnt think, well that was bad. i jsut idnt want to get spanked again. as i got older, it kind of morphed into what is now knowing what is right and wrong. but as a kid, i didnt have that same sense of duty and responsibility, so i needed an extra boost and incentive to get me in line.
i attended a christian school back in the day that used a boat oar (with the handle cut down) to spank. i received a spanking once (though i was swatted 3 times) and it hurt like HELL…just having to lift my skirt to be paddled was humiliation enough. i didn’t need to the swats to learn my lesson! the pastor almost broke my brother’s hip on one instance.
i have used the belt for my children. with one child it was effective. the other not so much. i stopped spanking because i hated the way it made me feel afterwards (thus left me wondering how my girls felt afterward). i was taught to never hit with your hand. your hands are for loving…using your hand results in children who flinch anytime a hand is raised by ANYONE. if you wish to spank, i was told it is better to use a belt, spoon…whatever.
psh, i was spanked when i was a kid, and im glad i didnt turn out to be a brat
Nah.
No, unless of course it turns into a full out beating that actually injures the child. As far as the punishment scheduling… um, a little weird, but then again, if your kid misbehaves in public, you have to schedule something later because it’s not PC to hit kids at the grocery store anymore. As far as spanking in the schools, for all those commenting on that, I don’t think it’s appropriate, because your trusting a complete stranger to make those kind of calls with your child, and every parent has different views on such punishment. In my opinion though, the reason that violence has increased in the schools is because parents don’t care enough about their kids to discipline them the few hours they spend with them at home these days, and then expect the school to take over in personal matters like sex education, discipline, and social skills. FREAKIN’ RAISE YOUR OWN CHILDREN PEOPLE!
I was an education major for three years before I finally quit. I’m a little bitter…
Sometimes.. but if it’s the only way some children will learn it should be used..
nope
It’s abuse if you let your kid do what he/she wants…
how much how hard… done in moderation, it’s effective. I always knew that my father actually meant it when he said it hurt him as much as it hurt me, but I have a unique father.
I’m fine with paddles. And I’m also fine if there’s minor injury that lasts for a day or two. A cut or sliver just makes the pain more long-lasting and you less likely to screw up again (I think).
No, not by definition. Certainly a paddle COULD be used to abuse a child. I prefer a wooden spoon for spanking. It’s much lighter and just stings
for everyone saying how great they turned out, I get great grades, don’t smoke or do drugs, don’t sneak out, don’t do anything “bad” so to speak, and I’ve never been hit in my life.
then again, as that’s the case, I can’t say that i have a true opinion on it. but I’ve never been a brat, that’s just not the way I am, and I didn’t need spankings to get that way.
Well, of course, when we were growing up no one thought anything about it. Nowadays, it’s a different story and I’m on the fence on this one.
This guy lives in the town I grew up in, which is only about 15 minutes from where I live now. I’m a little surprised to see it made FoxNews, but I guess I shouldn’t be.
Discipline for learning (teaching something) and the rod for punishment (under strict guidelines that don’t injure the child, merely quickly enforce the discipline). Abuse can be in many forms, including verbal and most parents aren’t taught anything about parenting, discipline, punishment, or teaching children. I recommend the wooden spoon or even a rolled up newspaper or magazine (something that sounds scary but doesn’t really hurt). The belt is definitely out. Buying a paddle from someone is silly. He is just making money off folks for a gimmick. When a child directly disobeys something you told them to do or not to do (and you have repeated it more than once), for example a small child running out into traffic, you must reinforce your teaching (discipline) with punishment (spanking) so that they get it! They can’t run into traffic without severe consequences. If they spill milk, it is not a big deal, it is just a mess, teach them to clean up their own messes.
YES.
It is also lazy parenting. There are many nonviolent ways to discipline children and to guide them in the right direction. To do it properly takes time and attention. Those too lazy to provide that time and attention hit them instead. (with or without a paddle) What a terrible substitute for a parents love.
How many spend as much time with their children as they do watching TV or pursuing other interests, including church?
It’s not necessarily child abuse, but I have seen very few instances where spanking had any positive emotional effect on a child including discipline.
Houses that base punishment in instances of giving and taking away privilege, time outs and other methods are more peaceful and if done correctly, have more disciplined children.
It’s not abuse if you give your kid one good whack to teach a lesson. My dad made a paddle and even added holes to it for less wind resistance. He hit me once when I had been acting terribly bad. After that, I was good as golden. He would only use the paddle as a threat then which was good enough to make me behave.
It’s only when you draw blood that it is child abuse.
“I’m not angry, I’m just upset.
NOW GET OVER HERE!!!”
Just kidding. Beat the crap out of your kids, lest they become like most other Americans.
I do not believe that it is abuse unless it is used in excess. There was one time that my Dad, who always used a belt, went overboard and left welts. Usually though, I was made to get the belt myself and usually that gave him time to cool off and alot of times was the worst part of the punishment. I do spank my son, usually after a warning that if does not stop the behavior that he will be spanked and then a out loud verbal count to three to give him ample opportunity to stop. If he doesn’t then he gets two to three swats on the bottom that aren’t even really that hard, but does relay the point. The only time we dont’ go through that process is if he’s in an extremely dangerous situation that he’s been warned about before and then it’s straight to the spank. Now if he stops the behavior then we give him high praise for being a good listener. I think it is very important to give them a chance before spanking to adjust their behavior.
That guy needs a different hobby I think.
No! It’s child abuse NOT to discipline them. I’m certainly glad my parents punished me when I deserved it.
It’s abuse when you do it to satisfy your own anger and insecurities. If you can do it without anger, then you’ll only do it when it’s really necessary.
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Nice
of course not. some kids need to be beat.
spare the rod spoil the child. but….sometimes you need a time out before you carry out the spanking so you aren’t doing it out of anger. also..paddles should only be for the worst tantrums..and used for a warning first.
My child would take it and spank me back. I’ve found other ways to deal with my child but let me tell you there are days when I’d love to administer a good ole fashion spanking. So I just give it to the hubbie instead.
Not if you don’t do it often.
Not necessarily. I think there are much more effective/healthy forms of discipline though.
I agree that children do sometimes need to be spanked, and definitely need discipline. The main determining factor in my mind is that if it leaves a mark on the child, it is too harsh.
NO!
I was spanked all my life growing up – I didn’t learn my lesson very quickly, shall we say… As Dad would always say, “apply the board of education to the seat of learning” and it worked. The last time I was spanked was when I was 17. I deserved it, totally… I was a smart-aleck.
My dad has a paddle just like the ones Joey is handing out… kudos to him!
~ Esquire
haha! no. when I was little we had a paddle that said on the bakc “get to the seat of the problem”. it makes me laugh now.
my parents always spanked me with a paddle.
and look how i turned out! i’m amazing!
i thought it was abuse back at the time, but sometimes when i’m thinking heavily about how great and wonderful (and humble) i am, i think to myself “daayyuummm my parents have maaddd parenting skillz!”
haha
Yes.
No…as long as you don’t overdo it…Use it – Don’t abuse it.
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I’ve been hit with worse
I have used spanking as a method of discipline with all three of my children. I don’t think spanking itself leads to psychological problems, especially when it is used the right way. Spanking a child is a psychical punishment… how the spanking is delivered and its severity is what can make it an ok form of discipline or a cruel and unusal form of punishment. I use spanking as a last resort. I always use other methods of discipline first such as when they were smaller time outs and of course the ever popular the taking away of certain privleges. On those rare occassions when I have used spanking I sit them down and talk with them before and after the spanking about why they are getting the spanking. And yes there have been times when I’ve wanted to spank out of anger… those are times when I have to step back and check myself. I believe every parent has felt this way at one time or another. Raising children is a very trying ordeal on a persons mind, heart and soul… and sometimes a parent gets to the breaking point… it happens to all of us… some parents don’t know when to take a break and let themselves calm down.
I was raised around parents who spanked me… a grandmother who spanked me… and if the freakin neighbors heard you were being bad they’d spank you too… ok that last part was an exaggeration… but you get the point. lol My father always went too far with the spankings. He spanked me out of anger and hit me way too hard everywhere… and sometimes used the beltbuckle. My grandmother, she spanked when I deserved it… however she has one of those really thick leather belts with holes drilled through it, a wooden paddle with holes drilled through it, and a weeping willow tree in her yard where she made me and my cousin get branches and she would braid them together… yeah when she spanked us… we would feel it for a very long time… and if we squirmed… too bad she hit anyway and to hell to whereever it landed.
I’ve heard that spanking is going to be outlawed over in the UK. I don’t see how spanking could ever be outlawed here in the US… we have far too many fundamentalist Christians in the US that would scream that quote from the Bible “spare the rod, spoil the child” and start screaming they have a constitutional right and blah blah blah.
Interesting that Althie has concluded that hitting schoolchildren makes them more violent. In states that still allow whacking kids in school the children do better academically, and violent crime rates are HIGHER. I don’t think running for office is such a good idea when you can’t get facts straight.
My opinion on “Joey’s” paddles – there’s nothing good or loving about hitting someone. You shame and hurt, and risk physical injury. Mountains of research have decidedly shown that it also causes lasting psychological problems and learning problems that can plague a person all their lives. People who were hit as children are more likely to become drug addicts and commit violent crimes.
So let’s not spread any more misinformation folks. Here’s a quote to leave with you: “Whamming someone smaller than oneself in order to teach that person civilized behavior is not within Miss Manners’ concept of propriety, much less logic.” – Judith Martin (Miss Manners)
This is what I meant to send in (are trolls messing up my messages?):
Interesting that Althie has concluded that hitting schoolchildren makes them less violent. In states that still allow whacking kids in school the children do worse academically, and violent crime rates are HIGHER. I don’t think running for office is such a good idea when you can’t get facts straight.
My opinion on “Joey’s” paddles – there’s nothing good or loving about hitting someone. You shame and hurt, and risk physical injury. Mountains of research have decidedly shown that it also causes lasting psychological problems and learning problems that can plague a person all their lives. People who were hit as children are more likely to become drug addicts and commit violent crimes.
So let’s not spread any more misinformation folks. Here’s a quote to leave with you: “Whamming someone smaller than oneself in order to teach that person civilized behavior is not within Miss Manners’ concept of propriety, much less logic.” – Judith Martin (Miss Manners)
An addition – Research has actually been done on one of the most common reasons given for hitting a young child: running into the street. Street entries become MORE COMMON when spanking is used to “teach a lesson”! It’s far better and more effective to take the trouble of holding your child’s hand, carrying them or strapping them safely into a stroller. You can also put a fence around your yard, and teach your children to “stay out of the street” and “stay on the sidewalk”.
I was raised in a loving christian home. I was always allowed an opportunity to fix my mistakes. When I failed to do so I got it in the worst way. I am a black male who is a first grade teacher and love my job dearly. Thank God for 20 years of service. The children in which I teach are raising themselves. They have no guidance, yet it is the teachers responsibility to raise them, teach them, care for them, council them, and much more. I often wonder if all the above is my responsibility why can’t discipline be a part of that. Like many children of the day, I was spanked with a belt, a switch, and/or a bamboo pole when I got out of line. In those days, the only choice a kid received was to obey the adults who cared for them or make the choice to serve the consequenes for being ” hard headed”. If society has concluded that spanking a child is abuse, then I say it is substance abuse to put you child on medication to help them behave, of which a fix that has never been tested on children. There is no quick fix to raising children. It does not happen over night, but it happens of over time. Do I think spanking for clearly defined wrong doing is abusive– absolutely not. In my opinion behavior medication is a quick fix; it’s a quick fix that the medical field has become lucratively rich. I leave this with you, if you truly believe in the word of God, how can anyone say that punishment is abusive. How often have God sent each us through the same punishment until each of use get the point that he is trying to make. Only a “fool” will not take correction, for a stable minded person will be corrected and truly change.
Getting spanked with a paddle and straps are a fucking turn-on!!!