November 10, 2007
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Equal Pay
Feminists from NOW (National Organization for Women) had a “pay equity bake sale” at San Diego State. They charged people of different race and gender different costs for cookies.
For example, the men had to pay a dollar for a cookie. A woman would have to pay 75 cents for a cookie. A Hispanic woman would pay 50 cents for that same cookie. Here is the link: Link
The obvious point was that men make more money than women. In fact, a number that is often thrown out is that women make 75% of what men do. Others contest that number as a man at the end of the article pointed out.
In your experience, do women make less money for the same job as men?
Comments (82)
No, I make more. Streetwalkers have an edge if they’re female and sexy as hell.
Same job, same experience, same hard work, same pay.
don’t know enough to know
I’m a waitress, so in my opinion, women have it better for my job
i’ve seen studies that claim that when men are paid more than women, they often work more hours (and offer more flexibility around hours) then their female counterparts.
yes
i’m very lucky, but i would have to ay yes based on many studies.
in contestable jobs, yes.
in state jobs everyone makes essentially the same
but any time there is a chance to progress, or your pay is based on your situation in the workplace, a woman makes about 3/4 to 4/5 what a man in the same or similar situation makes.
I like the first response. LOL
in my experience no, but i totally kick ass at everything i’ve ever been employed to do and i have mostly been employed at woman-owned businesses.
Seeing as how I’m too young for a job, I can’t be sure. But from what I’ve seen, people seem to want to give women more opportunities.
I don’t know. It makes sense that men would be payed more, because (on the outside) they seem like people that would work harder. BUT I know that isn’t true. I’d guess that it all evens out in the end. I know its hard for women who haven’t been in the workforce for 18+ years raising kids have a harder time getting back in.
I agree with GunStar.
Yes, We need to break more glass ceilings for that to change..
In my experience, no man would have my job. Low pay and low hours and lots of crap to put up with, but I keep it for the flexibility.
In all the jobs I’ve worked at, men and women get the same pay as far as I know. Your pay varies according to what your job is.
not in my experience although i am sure it happens
I don’t know, I didn’t know how much everybody else was paid at Vons, I think we were all paid according to what our job was and how long we’d been there.
In my experience its so hard to know b/c we are not supposed to talk to each other about our salaries and in my case, I don’t know if I should have bargained for more or not. The offer I was given was enough to cover my lifestyle so I didn’t argue but sometimes I wonder if my male coworkers signed on for more….I’m considering being a little tougher when negotiating raises.
No truth to that old line. Maybe back in the day but that day was long ago. Men tend to stay at their jobs for a longer period of time because of that they make more.
For my age, I make so much more than normal at my job.
female electricians make half what male electricians do. Is that shocking?
Here’s why we make more money. We pay for the movie, the popcorn, the coke, and the gas. Fuck you, we need more money to pay for you bitches.
Music is just too much, dan.
In all the jobs I have which I have been through employment agencies at different companies so far everyone gets the same amount paid to them who been send to the same company from my knowledge. No matter what gender you are, experience, age etc.
yes.
Men tend to enter higher-paying fields (engineering, medicine) than women. I’m sure this is a major contribution to the income “disparity.”
Depends on the job. At the club I work at, if you’re a female DJ you get paid $300 a night, as opposed to the guys who make $150 a night because female DJs are rare and my boss feels that having a hot girl mixing music would be a bonus attraction.
As Huginn stated. It’s more of a cultural thing than anything. My parents bought me math and science books when I was kid but they gave my sister piano and voice lessons. Then, of course, outright yet subtle discrimination factors in as well.
-David
And rightfully so, now get back in the F’ing kitchen and birth me some babies!
I hate to say this but I’ve noticed alot of female bosses. They seem to be happy and equal. I wouldn’t know..
I think when you look at the entire work industry, it balances out. Some jobs women aren’t anatomically builot for and shuold make less, but likewise there are lots of jobs that women make more than men at, so it’s pretty even.
I don’t really have any experience so I couldn’t say
I find it that pay is more equal these days, except the mom and pop businesses…family owned. Seems like they can get away with unequal pay for some odd reason. I will not work for one again. Very unequal..unless you are related to the boss!!
No. This is much more fun when it’s an AA bake sale… making the point that minorities can be less intelligent and try less hard and get into the same schools…
That video at the bottom of your page is REALLY annoying.
I think that I better keep my mouth shut on this one.
well i just hate NOW…
In my experience its been pretty equal BUT I’ve noticed more upward mobility to guys because woman have children or just he possibility of having children.
For many that is the case. They take off for materity leave for 6 months to a year and they fall beehind the pay school. Addittionally a pregnant woman cannot enter many of our labs which makes it hard for her to perform her job. Alternate jobs are available, but if she later returns to the lab, she will be even further behind. They also are generally the ones who stay home with sick kids or leave to gget a sick child from school.
In my experience, women are less job focused than men. For those who are as job focused, their salaries reflect that and may even be higher as the company really wants to fight to keep them as employees.
nope
Professional jobs–heck yes.
jobs such as waitressing, dancing, bartending, modeling–I think chicks have an advantage,
hmm, I dont know.. I would tend to agree.. but when I was in highschool there were girls who had afterschool jobs as secretaries making $12-15 an hour while I had to start off at crappy jobs making only minimum wage (usually labor jobs that sucked).
I was even emplyed at a company (small) where i mowed grass and stuff and after I left a girl was hired and worked in the office. I dont have a problem with her working in the office but I was in college and knew plenty about computers and phones and I was never considered for a job like that. She would be on blogs saying how bored she was in the office all day.. and I worked at the same place and had to be outside in the heat for the whole summer in houston while she got to sit in the air conditionaing and be “bored” and make what I did or more. so, sometimes I dont know how “unfair” it is.
Daniel (doubledb)
I think women don’t get paid as much as men on certain jobs but there are jobs where both men and women do receive what they deserve. It just depends is all.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no – whine, whine, whine.
No. At all of the occupations in which I have worked with both sexes were paid equally according to degree, experience, etc, not their sex. Fortunately I have not had to battle with sexism throughout the jobs I have had yet I have heard many a story from my landlady where she has had to sue the company for the way they treated her and trying to stiff her from pay, etc. But in the end getting what she deserved because she fought all the way without giving up a single time.
Now, no, at the beginning of working yes.
I’ve never been in a position where it was easy to tell if my female co-workers were getting equal pay for equal work. Most of my female co-workers have made more than me, but they also had more responsibilities. Likewise, when I did make more than a female co-worker it’s because I had more responsibilities.
ok, i really hate that video….why must you have adds?
I hate adds,enough to stop coming to this site.
They are all over the place!
Please…please *sniff*, pleeeease.
That’s hard to say. In most work places discussing and comparing salaraies is such a taboo, how would you even really know?
Women do get paid less! I’ve worked since 1991. Unfortunately, I think it is even more true in Christian settings where women are suppose to get married and have kids and do the stay-at-home mom thing. (Not that it is wrong. It is a choice.) I’m not married and have had to work. For awhile, I was a missionary. I had some people who supported me for awhile and then told me that they couldn’t support me anymore as they were going to support a man with a wife and child. They say that as the greater need. They based it on that and not on the work we were doing. So, I wasn’t suppose to need to eat?
Thankfully, God provides!
what era is this?
i don’t think a X or Y chromosome affects pay, at least not as much as basic capability and efficiency on the job.
Not in my personal experience.
It depends on the job.
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It should be noted that NOW stole this idea from the College Republican National Committee (it may have actually been the Leadership Institute Campus Leadership Program, there is a lot of “project” crossover). Only, they used it (about four years ago) to raise the issue of affirmative action.
Nice way to be creative there…
Thanks…20% there…just waiting.
yes, most of the time.
my only experience is in a primarily female dominated field (day cares and elementary teaching) in that arena I’d say no — but others I don’t know……………………
Depends what type of job.
im sure it would depnd on what the job is. in most retail situations and fast food situations i would say this isn’t the case. it might be just with office jobs and sales that type…
Yes.
Men are aso pushed into better-paying fields.
this unequal pay system is so nonsense..
maybe you tell me about student, elderly and adult rates are different, i can well accepted it but not this.
men do get payed a bit more here. my mother is a teacher and makes less then dad. dad is a worker at a chicken factory.
I can’t think of any job I have had that the men would be paid a higher wage. I know there are professions that tend to require negotiations for wages, benefits, and perks,but I am pretty sure I won’t ever be put in that situation.
It’s really not true anymore.
What the crap is this music playing? It’s super annoying.
i think it depends on the job field, esp. the more competitive ones because they’re afraid a woman is gonna take maternity leave. but when one is making more, it’s usually men.
they did this at my school. it was fun and informative. and some people actually got mad. hahaha.
There are so many factors involved in how much a person makes. Assuming same job means the same educational background the same title with the same company and same amount of time on the job and same commitment then I don’t believe for a second that women make less than men and certainly not 25% less.
What I do believe is that men have a tendency to be more willing to work extra hours than a woman and also have a tendency to choose different jobs than women in the first place. Both of which factor into varying pays.
There is a pay gap, but it is hard to measure, I think. Employers, I have heard, do not see women as likely to stay with a company or position because they may decide at any time they want to start a family instead of keeping a career. I don’t know if this it true or not, but that is what I have heard.
yep
I’m 1/4th Japanese…what do I pay?
In most cases, absolutely, women make less than men for the same job. But it doesn’t stop there….women pay more for hair cuts and dry cleaning, and I’m sure other things as well. Why? It’s not fair. Because we care more about our appearance perhaps. If men had to pay more maybe they would care less, there is something there.
You bet your A$$ they do, My ex and myself applied for a management position at the same company, I had more experience that he did and they offered him more money than they offered me.
No/ Teachers are paid on a scale based on education and years served. But now I’m a SAHM and I don’t get paid anything!
I don’t know whether I’m really qualified to make this comment because I’m still at uni so I haven’t really been competing for jobs yet. But I know that everything’s against me being Asian, female and also inexperienced. From what I’ve heared and what I know about, it’s all true. No matter what they say, being female in a workplace sucks!
yes.
In my personal working experience, women make as much or more…I did.
The job I work at now is pretty fair about it- but I quit a job about 8 years ago, when I found out that several of the men there were making more then I was. I was their supervisor. LAME.
Not where I work. Pay is based on how long you’ve been there and the different hours that you work.
i don’t know enough about it. i’m reluctant to believe that men make more, because i’d hope that everyone is paid equally for the same work.
No one really gets paid as much as they think they are worth, which is why if you can get away with starting your own business in some way, you should, and cut out some of the middlemen
My wife and I make exactly the same … to the penny. Therefore, since my wife is of Spanish decent, I will have her buy the cookies. I will enjoy the cookies for half the price of the other white guys.
How many plain white guys like me were dumb enough to fall for this form of discrimination?
Haha. I love the idea of the women at NOW baking cookies. I can’t believe they stepped into the kitchen.
I believe the glass ceiling to be largely blown out of proportion.
How bizarre…Last night, I dreamt that our country had this ongoing law that everyone paid the same price for a whopper at Burger King…$1.07…that is everyone but a black person. A black person would have to pay extra tax on the same item depending on how many kids they had. While I would pay $1.07, they may have to pay $1.43 for the same whopper because he/she has two kids. In my dream, I even remember it playing out. The cashier would ask, “What would you like?” and she’d respond, “One Whopper.” “Sure, and how many kids do you have?” “Two” “That’ll be $1.43″
In my dream I asked the black woman why she just didn’t lie and say she had none…she said she couldn’t because it was the law for her to truthfully tell how many kids she had whenever she made any purchases. AND if she lied about it, she could be convicted.
I know…I have strange dreams~