No,that should be one of the privileges of being a citizen.
Good Morning Dan, tell Jen Good Morning too!
This is kind of a double-edged sword- If u dont give them one, chances are that they will still drive…Then what do u do? I think either deport them when they apply, or give them the opportunity to right the situation (become a citizen) before the license is granted.
no cause driving is n ot a right
well, they’re going to drive regardless of whether they’re licensed; at least there’d be a higher chance they’d be safer motorists…
Would there?
Yes let’s reward them. “Hey… if you’re clever enough to sneak through our borders illegally… we’ll give you the grand prize of a DRIVER’S LICENSE!!!”
Pathetic.
NO!
I don’t think so. It isn’t going to solve the problem that it is supposed to address, IMO. Illegals are not going to sign up for a driver’s license so that they can be charged if they are responsible for an accident. They don’t want the authorities to know where they can be found!
I don’t think they should immediately be granted a driver’s license, but I also don’t think they should be deported for applying for one. We need to be helping most of these people towards legal status so they won’t be afraid to take their kids to the doctor or enroll them in school.
Heck no.
As a side note…
I think the question is… should we deport them or not?
If we’re not going to deport them or even try to “get rid of” them… then heck, we should give them driver’s licenses… we should just all round open the borders and let anyone through who wants to come.
This is the kind of thing where you have to either say completely yes or completely no. Saying they’re illegal immigrants but allowing them driver’s licenses is just an oxymoron. They’re illegal. They have no rights. They’re legally not even existent.
That’s where you say completely no. You say NO you are ILLEGAL and NO you have no rights and WE WILL DEPORT YOU BACK WHERE YOU BELONG.
On the other hand you could open up the borders and start playing fair music and shout “COME ONE! COME ALL!” and let everyone sashay through and be an automatic citizen and hip hip hurray.
That’s where you have to say completely yes. YES you may come and live here YES you are citizens and YES you may drive and STAY FOREVER YOU ARE ONE OF US.
Sooooo the real question is… should we say completely yes or completely no?
illegal immigrants should be pistol whipped and then put on board an airplane that then flies over their home country and then be shoved out of the airplane while in flight sans parachute.
NO, But they do have em, because they bought them- thats part of idenity theft.
Maybe it would be better for them to get a Drivers license- but a special one for illegals.
Nope. They’re illegal. Why would you give a perk for nationals to illegals?
That’s retarded, they’re illegal immigrants. They techinically don’t exist in the united states. Since no right to drive exists either, no. They should not be given drivers licenses.
I agree in whole with “Love_Hate_Define_Me”
Love_Hate is kinda alluding to the right things. Enforce the current employment laws. Correct the over 10% discrepencies in social security number accounts. Then wait and see what happens.
To some extent this has been done in some parts of the country, and have driven much of the undocumented immigrants away from those towns. Unfortunately, these parts of the country are not representative of where the majority of undocumented immigrants have been living in for over 5 years.
Those towns merely went back to their pre-existing economy of 5 years ago. But the majority of undocumented immigrants live in cities that have had these people for over 10 years, or at least one generation. The real test will be seen when enforcement is performed in these cities.
Should undocumented immigrants get licenses? In my opinion that’s patch work, and further complicates the issues for both sides of the argument related to comprehensive immigration reform.
Hmmm…. let’s think here… they are illegal immigrants… that means that they are here illegally…. a driver’s license is a legal thing… I think if they are legal, then yeah… but not if they are illegal…
Fuck. No. They all need to go back were they came from.
NO!
“we should just all round open the borders and let anyone through who wants to come.”
Yes. We should do exactly that. I’m not even kidding a little. The only way the labor market will be efficient is if there aren’t these artificial things called ‘borders’ keeping people from seeking employment wherever the jobs are. And if the labor market is inefficient that means wealth doesn’t distribute fairly to the poorer world citizens. In short we get our riches and our safety on the backs of the suffering of citizens of other nations.
But since we’re too selfish to ever do that, we might as well let illegal immigrants have licenses. It changes nothing. The only benefit I can see is that we’ll have more drivers on the road who have taken an eye test. The only disadvantage is that some people will be pissed off about it for no good reason.
A liscense to drive is an earned priveledge, that is issued. If the person can’t be bothered to go about entering the country legally, than they should not be issued a drivers liscense. Period. As teenagers, we are expected to take Drivers Education classes, carry a learner’s permit for a period of time, then be tested on our ability to drive safely and follow the laws and traffic indicators. Yikes, I could totally go on a tangent about this…better stop there….
Yes!
absolutely NOT ! illegal immigration is one very serious problem that our do-nothing politicians really NEED to address !
Not just a “no,” but a HELL FUCKING NO! They’re here illegally. Why are we giving them the keys to the kingdom?
No
argh!
Hard question. On the basis of ideas alone: No way in hell Illegal Immigrants deserve legitimization. They’ve cheated the system. They’re an insult to anyone waiting in linfe for emmigration from their home country. They’re a slap in the face to anyone here legally. Any benifits or aid to illegal immigrants will nudge a further opening in the flood gates.
But this is a real world policy decisions. Most illegal immigrants are here to stay– floating below the radar. They work hard they contribute to the daily workings of society. The bottom line is that they’re regular folks like most of us, and if we could improve their quality of life at little or no cost to ourselves– why not?
It’s hard for me to balance the two ideas. My impulse now is to a hard-line stance against Illegal Immigration.
Hell no! I heard about this a while back, and I am very much against it. If you want privileges then you have to go the full monty.
seedsower
No,that should be one of the privileges of being a citizen.
“Driving” with one’s own car on public roads paid with public taxes isn’t an exclusive citizen-right. Geen card holders and foreign exchange students both pay taxes, and they both drive.
No…in fact…no way, Jose’.
The concept bewilders me.
Absolutely not….they are ILLEGAL, and if they cause a bad accident, they can just take off and flee, and not be responsible for anything. This happened here – an ILLEGAL drunk driver killed a 14 year old boy, a friend of my son’s, and fled the country…justice will never be served, because they will never find him.
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That’s retarded, they’re illegal immigrants. They techinically don’t exist in the united states. Since no right to drive exists either, no. They should not be given drivers licenses.
It’s disgusting, this otherization. Their illegal status doesn’t strip them of all their rights. Rape & murder of an illegal immigrant is just as morally reprehensible as rape & murder of an American Citizen.
give them drivers license to legally drive out of this country
Yes. They somehow need to get to the jobs in which fat, lazy Americans don’t want to do.
No…in fact…no way, Jose’.
Your tibit of racism isn’t funny. Shame on you.
japanika is cheeky! and she makes a good point.
No
NO!
In other news <3 Huginn’s enlightenment
No.
Yes. They somehow need to get to the jobs in which fat, lazy Americans don’t want to do.
In many way’s that’s fucking scary. The last thing we want, as Americans, is to create a permenant underclass bereaved of any rights or legal recognition.
pretty sad that illegal immigrants can obtain such a legal document.
very mixed feelings on this. but since where i live they drive anyway and since they are unliscensed and in general drive very, very badly AND are uninsured which means i have to pay extra to carry uninsured motorist coverage which is costing me a fortune i’m afraid i’m going to have to go with supporting some sort of program that allows for licenses and thus insurance.
As hubby says… “how can you give a legal document to an illegal citizen?”
No
No, it’s like rewarding them for breaking the law.
So ridiculous!!!!! If we find out they are ILEGAL, that is the perfect time to make them go through the steps of becoming legal, WHY GIVE THEM A DRIVER’S LICIENCE. That has GOT to be one of the most …..well braindead things the Democrats have come up with yet. I just don’t get how people keep voting for them. Have a great day Dan!
~Grampy~
No.
I can’t believe that Nypho even wrote those things giving a hint of seriousness. And to think that those types of people are voting in elections!!!
No on the illegal aliens question. They are illegal and should be sent back to wherever their homeland is. Their kids should not be citizens because they were born here. Whoever instituted that had his head where the sun does not shine!!!!
I’m so sick of this crap. THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY. THEY SHOULD HAVE NO RIGHTS GRANTED TO THE CITIZENRY OF THIS COUNTRY BY OUR CONSTITUTION AND LAWS.
I’m done now. I can feel my blood pressure elevating as I write.
huginn–but, if the hypothetical illegals who were raped & murdered had not been here illegally, they would not have been raped and murdered. All actions have consequences. The fact is that in such a case, if they had not come here illegally, those particular consequences would not have happened.
I agree that there are basic human rights that illegals should have as you have mentioned. I think that people are too willing to give them the benefit of the doubt despite the fact that they broke the law coming to this country illegally in the first place.
Give them their rights as they are being deported!!!
Police officer: License and registeration please.
Pedro: -gives-
Police officer: Hmm, okay. Your license plate looked funny, that’s why I stopped you.
Pedro: Tu es a puta.
Police officer: Sorry, I don’t speak Mexicano. Thanks for not breaking the law, good citizen.
Pedro: -drives off and chuckles inside-
Little does he know that I’m not a citizen
nope
No.
I shouldn’t have to give an explanation as to why, should I?
stilllooking2find
…The fact is that in such a case, if they had not come here illegally, those particular consequences would not have happened.
The reality of it is that there will always be illegal immigrants in this country. There will always be a least some sort of an entering trickle. That’s the reality of things. The question is, then, what is the fairest and the most financially sensible means of dealing with the illegal immigrants here.
I’m just fearful of an inductive effect: Beinfits to illegal immigrants would lead to greater incentive for illegal immigration. The endowment of something like drivers licenses may also complicate deportation processes? At the point that there will always be illegal immigrants here, treating them like trash or stray cats isn’t the solution. Personally, I like the granting of citizenship to U.S. born children of illegal immigrants– at least there is an avenue for generational upward progression for these families.
Hard-line policy stance aren’t realistic. Exactly how lient our policy ought to be is, in my opinion, tied tightly with their inductive effects on illegal immigration rates.
they take jobs from us and send our precious money home to their families. They will buy the Id if we dont give it to them.. I mean what are we supposed to do their prez tells them how to penetrate our border so he doesnt have to help them and our gov is stupid enough not to really take on the situation by turning a blind eye so i feel they should have to be tatooed if caught and taken back to where they came from
huginn, I seem to agree with you on this issue. I was simply stating that bad things that happen to illegal aliens, such as rape and murder, though those things are wrong and regrettable, would not have happened here had they not been here illegally.
I agree that we likely will never end the trickle of illegals coming into this country. However, this problem will never go away until our borders are secured and we enforce the laws on the books already. I believe that our problem would be minute should those two things happen. My guess is you might agree.
NO!
driving liscences are really just a tax anyway. they are gonna use the roads so they should pay to use them like everyone else.
No! No. And again I say no. Definitely not.
Of course not. Why should they be given privileges that actual citizens have? They should get their citizenship and then get driver’s licenses. Suffice it to say we don’t normally award people for misdeeds.
No. I am a legal alien – here on a green card and when my driver’s license expired – they would only renew it for the remaining time that was on my green card – which was about 8 months at that time. Once I had my new green card – I had to go back and get a new driver’s license.
I do think that Seedsower’s comment about it being the right of a citizen is asinine though. There are thousands of contributing legal aliens in this country who would be hamstrung without being able to drive.
Absolutely and a restounding no!!
Nope! Deport them when they try to get a driver’s license.
No. They’re here ILLEGALLY. We can’t legitimize that. What we can do is make it easier for people to be here (not necessarily citizens, but to live/work/study here). And to seesower, driving should not be the right of citizens – it should be the right of legal residents. What about someone who has moved to this country legally, but doesn’t have citizenship? They can (and should be able to) drive legally.
Being here illegally does not make someone into the devil incarnate. I don’t know why we’ve gotten into the habit of blaming ‘illegals’ for all our problems. That’s just sick.
Many of the people being vilified here are hard working honest people who did the only thing they could see that was within their power to help their families in a difficult situation. Who amongst us can say with a certainty that we wouldn’t have done the same if the situation were reversed?
This isn’t nearly as big a deal as politicians playing on your fears wanting to win elections want you to think it is. Relax!
As for how we give an illegal alien a legal document, why it’s quite easy. You just hand it to them. They are two different things. No logical contradiction exists at all. Trying to make it sound like there is one is just being dishonest.
No. While I’m all for states’ rights, immigration is and should be a federal affair. A state deciding to give illegals driver’s licenses is essentially taking immigration duties upon themselves.
“They are illegal and should be sent back to wherever their homeland
is. Their kids should not be citizens because they were born here.
Whoever instituted that had his head where the sun does not shine!!!!”
So you would condemn innocent children for the sins of their parents too? Not even sins really. A single sin. The breaking of one law.
The law that allows children born in the US to be citizens by right of birth is one of the most humane laws we have. It is what has allowed America to serve as an asylum for people fleeing persecution and hatred the world over for generations. It’s a big part of why people want to come here.
We became a powerful nation a beacon for freedom in the world in large part because our immigration policies have always been somewhat lenient. We have invited ” your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free” and made them into the life’s blood of our nation.
But apparently some think that in this day in age we should send the poor, tired, and huddled masses back home with their infant children to starve. Nice.
stacym2 -they take jobs from us and send our precious money home to their
families. They will buy the Id if we dont give it to them.. I mean what
are we supposed to do their prez tells them how to penetrate our
border so he doesnt have to help them and our gov is stupid enough not
to really take on the situation by turning a blind eye so i feel they
should have to be tatooed if caught and taken back to where they came
from
Well, that’s one of the most terrible things I’ve heard stated by a human being in awhile. Yes, let’s tattoo the bastards…
You do realize illegal workers make some economies run b/c the jobs they take are jobs no one else wants. Texas’ (and I’m sure California’s as well) economy relies on illegal immigrants. Yes, we could put international pressure on Mexico’s government to stop encouraging Mexican citizens to come over here, but that is not going to necessarily stop the flow. And tattooing them? How bout we just make them wear a star on their chest while they’re over here….
Fuck no.
sure,. but only if the agree to drive straight back to Mexico. Why can’t they get something like an international license like the visiting Europeans do?
NO!
stilllookingtofind:“However, this problem will never go away until our borders are secured and we enforce the laws on the books already. I believe that our problem would be minute should those two things happen. My guess is you might agree.”
Yes, but I also put value on the quality of life of this country’s constituency whether that person be citizen, legal alien, or illegal alien. If a slight sacrifice in border security or illegal alien crackdown can be traded for an immense benifit of the quality of life of ilelgal aliens, then I’m sure most reasonable people would be for it.
Nephyo said: The law that allows children born in the US to be citizens by right of birth is one of the most humane laws we have.
Actually, it’s one of the stupidist things we do in America and it’s draining the crap out of our healthcare system.
No licenses. No medical care (taxpayer funded). No benefits. DEFINITELY NO VOTING PRIVILEGES! No way!
stacym2:they take jobs from us and send our precious money home to their families.
Sounds a bit like general xenophobia. Your fears here apply to immigrants both legal and illegal.
Absolutely not…Rewarding misdemeanor? Not.
shellybean99: “driving liscences are really just a tax anyway. they are gonna use the roads so they should pay to use them like everyone else. “
A fair point.
The legal implications of this idea opens up an entirely new can of worms. At the point where illegal immigrants are given driver’s licenses and allowed to pay taxes for the upkeep and expansion of the roads they use, where is the distinction between legal/illegal? With the lines so blurred, is deportation a fair too. in handling particular illegal immigration cases?
I suppose what would be fair is a medium-sized fee issued in tandem with illegal alien Driver’s license issuing. The fee would off-set added procedual strain on the state DMV as well as contribute towards general roads/transportation upkeep.
huginn
-”I suppose what would be fair is a medium-sized fee issued in tandem
with illegal alien Driver’s license issuing. The fee would off-set
added procedual strain on the state DMV as well as contribute towards
general roads/transportation upkeep.”
Still does not address the bigger issue: States basically deciding federal immigration policy.
Absolutely not! Receiving a drivers license is from my understanding a privilege that comes with being an American citizen, not a right that I have as a human being.
what about bahb:Still does not address the bigger issue: States basically deciding federal immigration policy.
Why should it be a federal issue? On the surface, states-regulation would make sense. Due to differeing geography, each state’s illegal immigrations issue is unique. California and Texas border Mexico. Out of the 50 states, Florida is closest to Cuba. Hawaii is staring at Asia across the Pacific.
I knwo its mean to say but no. Illegal Imigrants really shouldnt get anything. If we reward them for coming into our country illigally they’ll keep on doing it, she should ship them back.
fivepts: “Actually, it’s one of the stupidist things we do in America and it’s draining the crap out of our healthcare system.”
It is entirel possible for something to be stupid AND humane and if I had to choose between doing something stupid and humane versus something clever and inhumanly cruel I’m going to choose the stupid and humane choice every single time.
But in this case I don’t think it’s that stupid after all. The healthcare thing is a total red herring. It’s even worse than the tort reform nonsense. Our healthcare system does have problems but I guarantee you that deporting all illegal immigrants will solve none of them. And certainly I have no idea how anyone could even conceive that denying their children citizenship is suddenly going to make the healthcare system work so much more efficiently. Native born citizenship is not a new principle at all. It’s been a part of our laws from the beginning. Somehow the health care system in the US has survived for all these years with that rule in place. What makes the situation so dire now that we need to change it?
What is the real cause of our health care problems? Well there are a lot of things. Here are a few. Inefficient distribution of resources is a big part of it. Big cities have more doctors and hospital beds than they need whereas other places go without. Certainly the proliferation of poor health and eating habits has a lot to do with it. Too much McDonalds. Not enough exercise. That kind of thing. And lack of universal health care is a big problem too, since it means many go without preventative care that would prevent future problems down the road. But probably the biggest cause is something simpler by far. Demographics. We have less labor and dollars going in to support a much larger elderly population. Or did we delusionally think that the baby boomers would start getting healthier as they got older?
All these things can’t be blamed on illegal immigrants at all. They’re our own damn fault so we have to deal with them.
No, because driver license is a privilege. They have to earn that first before being able to drive on the road like become a US citizen and passing the road test.
a driver’s license isn’t a prize >_> idiot. its still based on one’s performance and ability to operate a machine. this raises an even bigger question; whether it is a moral issue (which it isn’t.) or if an actual law should be passed with no real basis.
what if an american female goes to another country where women aren’t allowed to drive? does that mean that they should still be allowed to drive? quite frankly i don’t think people who aren’t citizens especially should be even more severely punished for breaking a law here; but as far as i know there’s no law against giving an illegal alien a drivers license. i’d rather not discuss such matters since most americans tend to give themselves far more privileges than what they should be allowed, obscuring their view on such matters.
illegal immigrants are the foundation of America.
If they can drive, why not give them a license? It’s sad.. how many Americans discriminate and hate on people who just want to make a living for themselves and their family.
Spoiled, the lot of you.
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They shouldn’t be given anything, and should be sent back to Mexico, or wherever they’re from.
Nope. That’s a citizen luxury.
no, because illegal immigrants drive uninsured vehicles, and if you get hit by an uninsured vehicle, you’re screwed.
…there are AMERICANS that drive uninsured cars. don’t be a dumbass >_> your argument is clearly flawed.
huginn-“Why should it be a federal issue? On the surface, states-regulation
would make sense. Due to differeing geography, each state’s illegal
immigrations issue is unique. California and Texas border Mexico. Out
of the 50 states, Florida is closest to Cuba. Hawaii is staring at Asia
across the Pacific.”
Because, based on the Constitution, regulation of immigration in an implied power of the Federal government. The Supreme Court has continually confirmed this. (DeCanas v. Bica, 424 U.S. 351, 354–55 (1976)- “Power to regulate immigration is unquestionably exclusively a federal power.”)
Illegal immigration is definitely a problem, especially in the health industry where hospitals are being inundated with people that cannot pay and must be treated without any chance of recouping those losses.
The real question here is: How do you stop it? Our borders are more porous than ever. If you can’t make it out of Mexico, you surely can walk down from Canada.
“…but as far as i know there’s no law against giving an illegal alien a drivers license.”
If Congress decides to do it, there’s nothing illegal about it at all. If a state does it, then it is effectively beginning to regulate immigration, since the full faith and credit clause (Article IV, Section 1) deems that the New York driver’s license be recognized by other states, which is a constitutional no-no.
Why not? We give ‘em to everyone else.
“ The real question here is: How do you stop it? Our borders are more
porous than ever. If you can’t make it out of Mexico, you surely can
walk down from Canada.”
It’s kinda funny, but we actually have people walking “up” into Canada to get cheaper medicine.
I wasnt aware they did! IN FACT the undocumented Alien lady who ran over ME last year DID NOT! And b/c of that she didnt get a ticket go FIGURE! I got stuck w/ med bills, lost wages and a gippy elbow due to the fact that her HUSBAND who is legal and had a Driver Lic happen to lapse one day on his insurance I got JACK SQUAT!!!
There should have been some kind of consequence and there wasnt. We give tooooooo much to Aliens in my opinion/experience. They are breaking the law plain and simple.
Lack of universal insurance coverage and illegal immigration are two different things. Fixing the one won’t solve the other and vice versa. This is true for both medical insurance and car insurance. So why do we keep blaming illegal immigrants for these problems?
If it’s illegal to be an illegal (I’m thinking yes), I have a hard time understanding why we’re asking this question. I can only assume that it’s because they are allowed to live as legal citizens in most areas of their lives. I am not saying all illegals are spawns of Satan. I believe many of them here have good intentions. But that doesn’t change the fact that they are not honoring the proper channels of naturalization. It’s fun to read Mexico’s stance on illegals in light of discussions we hear in America.
If the governmental body that gives out licences has enough information to do that, they also have enough to give to ICE to get them out of the US.
Hell no. They’ll bring more of them in.
No.
Freaking heck no.
Whatever happened to good ole deportation?
The first thing I learned in my 7th grade history class, is that CITIZENS of the United States have both rights and privileges. Driving is a privilege for American citizens, not a right. Illegal immigrants may drive anyway, but they have no rights, nor any privileges.
as a bill collector, i find the argument that they take the jobs no one wants to be a bit rediculous. i talk to people every-day that would take any job that would pay their bills. the problem is, illegals will work for less, they will work under the table and send that money away. maybe we should look for our “workforce” amongst the homeless, unemployed and dissenfranchised of our own before trying to feed everyone else. im not saying we should leave everyone else out in the cold, but why are we trying to feed our neighbors while our own family members(legitimate citizens) starve?
no. shoot them.
Since they are illegal, can they even get a license? I am too lazy to read through the entire article to learn more about the whole issue.
No. Haha, I remember Hillary not giving a straight answer on this. :]
no
go_granny_go: “Illegal immigrants may drive anyway, but they have no rights, nor any privileges.”
This is incorrect. Inalienable rights are not granted by the State only protected by it. So, whatever you think about their privileges they most certainly DO have rights such as the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Why is this even a question?
Nope.
well, i think it’s ok to give them a license since they drive without them anyways. however, i think there should be stiffer penalties for driving without one.
Never, never, never…..
> nope!!
Peace
No,their illegal
absolutely NOT!!!!!! they need to become LEGAL citizens to enjoy our freedoms!! period.
Actually Dan you may be onto something here. Let’s say they can get a driver’s liscense, but when they go to the DPS station to get theirs, let’s arrest ‘em and send em back to where the came from! hooray!
They can’t anymore. At least, not in Missouri. Part of the granting of the Patriot Act is pushing all of the states (by 2008 – though it wasn’t specified as to WHEN in 2008) to require what they call ‘Proof of Lawful Presence’, which requires the drivers license bureaus/DMVs to see Birth Certificates, Passports, Resident Cards, etc of ALL applicants. Once a U.S. Citizen proves they’re lawfully within the United States, their profile is flagged by the state as a U.S. Citizen and they aren’t required to show proof of such again. However, if they are NOT U.S. Citizens, their Drivers License, Non-Drivers ID cards, etc will be issued to them depending on their status (as defined by their Passports, Permanent Resident cards, etc) and will expire accordingly to when their stay in the United States expires. Furthermore, we’re required to send in photocopies of all documents were verifying, which are then forwarded to INS to prove they’re legit and not dups or fakes. It’s not until after they clear all the processes that Missouri will even PRINT the card, let alone give it to them. Failure to provide proof they’re legally in the United States gets them shown the door. I love where I work.
No
NO! THEY SHOULD BE THROWN OUT OF THE COUNTRY!
Hell Fucking NO!
No!! but what are you going to do send them all back? Maybe the gov. should but it is very unlikely. Next thing you know is they’ll be driving with no license etc. So go figure, which is the lesser of two evils?
A driver’s license implies citizenship. If there is such thing as a visitor’s license, that would be appropriate for non-citizens. Visitors should certainly be able to drive legally with visitor status.
MOST OF THE LEGAL AMERICANS SHOULDN’T BE DRIVING EITHER.
I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD GO THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE DRIVING TEST INCLUDING: DO YOU KNOW HOW TO USE A TURN SIGNAL!!!
BTW: Who ARE these illegals, ‘them’ or ‘us? What if the Native Americans sent us back???
no. no. no.
No way in hell. When they’re caught driving, they should be deported immediately. I hate illegal immigrants…
Fuck no. Maybe we should focus on the fact that they aren’t legal……… then if they are willing to take a test here and be able to read the test themselves, then sure. Otherwise, NO! I know a family who lost their 4 year old daughter because of an illegal alien driving a vehicle drunk and hitting them.
No way, however, I would favor open border policy as long as there is someone checking on whether we want the people in our country. We can always use good people. But that group would have much power.
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nope, they are illegal
No,that should be one of the privileges of being a citizen.
Good Morning Dan, tell Jen Good Morning too!
This is kind of a double-edged sword- If u dont give them one, chances are that they will still drive…Then what do u do? I think either deport them when they apply, or give them the opportunity to right the situation (become a citizen) before the license is granted.
no cause driving is n ot a right
well, they’re going to drive regardless of whether they’re licensed; at least there’d be a higher chance they’d be safer motorists…
Would there?
Yes let’s reward them. “Hey… if you’re clever enough to sneak through our borders illegally… we’ll give you the grand prize of a DRIVER’S LICENSE!!!”
Pathetic.
NO!
I don’t think so. It isn’t going to solve the problem that it is supposed to address, IMO. Illegals are not going to sign up for a driver’s license so that they can be charged if they are responsible for an accident. They don’t want the authorities to know where they can be found!
I don’t think they should immediately be granted a driver’s license, but I also don’t think they should be deported for applying for one. We need to be helping most of these people towards legal status so they won’t be afraid to take their kids to the doctor or enroll them in school.
Heck no.
As a side note…
I think the question is… should we deport them or not?
If we’re not going to deport them or even try to “get rid of” them… then heck, we should give them driver’s licenses… we should just all round open the borders and let anyone through who wants to come.
This is the kind of thing where you have to either say completely yes or completely no. Saying they’re illegal immigrants but allowing them driver’s licenses is just an oxymoron. They’re illegal. They have no rights. They’re legally not even existent.
That’s where you say completely no. You say NO you are ILLEGAL and NO you have no rights and WE WILL DEPORT YOU BACK WHERE YOU BELONG.
On the other hand you could open up the borders and start playing fair music and shout “COME ONE! COME ALL!” and let everyone sashay through and be an automatic citizen and hip hip hurray.
That’s where you have to say completely yes. YES you may come and live here YES you are citizens and YES you may drive and STAY FOREVER YOU ARE ONE OF US.
Sooooo the real question is… should we say completely yes or completely no?
illegal immigrants should be pistol whipped and then put on board an airplane that then flies over their home country and then be shoved out of the airplane while in flight sans parachute.
NO, But they do have em, because they bought them- thats part of idenity theft.
Maybe it would be better for them to get a Drivers license- but a special one for illegals.
Nope. They’re illegal. Why would you give a perk for nationals to illegals?
That’s retarded, they’re illegal immigrants. They techinically don’t exist in the united states. Since no right to drive exists either, no. They should not be given drivers licenses.
I agree in whole with “Love_Hate_Define_Me”
Love_Hate is kinda alluding to the right things. Enforce the current employment laws. Correct the over 10% discrepencies in social security number accounts. Then wait and see what happens.
To some extent this has been done in some parts of the country, and have driven much of the undocumented immigrants away from those towns. Unfortunately, these parts of the country are not representative of where the majority of undocumented immigrants have been living in for over 5 years.
Those towns merely went back to their pre-existing economy of 5 years ago. But the majority of undocumented immigrants live in cities that have had these people for over 10 years, or at least one generation. The real test will be seen when enforcement is performed in these cities.
Should undocumented immigrants get licenses? In my opinion that’s patch work, and further complicates the issues for both sides of the argument related to comprehensive immigration reform.
Hmmm…. let’s think here… they are illegal immigrants… that means that they are here illegally…. a driver’s license is a legal thing… I think if they are legal, then yeah… but not if they are illegal…
Fuck. No.
They all need to go back were they came from.
NO!
“we should just all round open the borders and let anyone through who wants to come.”
Yes. We should do exactly that. I’m not even kidding a little. The only way the labor market will be efficient is if there aren’t these artificial things called ‘borders’ keeping people from seeking employment wherever the jobs are. And if the labor market is inefficient that means wealth doesn’t distribute fairly to the poorer world citizens. In short we get our riches and our safety on the backs of the suffering of citizens of other nations.
But since we’re too selfish to ever do that, we might as well let illegal immigrants have licenses. It changes nothing. The only benefit I can see is that we’ll have more drivers on the road who have taken an eye test. The only disadvantage is that some people will be pissed off about it for no good reason.
A liscense to drive is an earned priveledge, that is issued. If the person can’t be bothered to go about entering the country legally, than they should not be issued a drivers liscense. Period. As teenagers, we are expected to take Drivers Education classes, carry a learner’s permit for a period of time, then be tested on our ability to drive safely and follow the laws and traffic indicators. Yikes, I could totally go on a tangent about this…better stop there….
Yes!
absolutely NOT ! illegal immigration is one very serious problem that our do-nothing politicians really NEED to address !
Not just a “no,” but a HELL FUCKING NO! They’re here illegally. Why are we giving them the keys to the kingdom?
No
argh!
Hard question. On the basis of ideas alone: No way in hell Illegal Immigrants deserve legitimization. They’ve cheated the system. They’re an insult to anyone waiting in linfe for emmigration from their home country. They’re a slap in the face to anyone here legally. Any benifits or aid to illegal immigrants will nudge a further opening in the flood gates.
But this is a real world policy decisions. Most illegal immigrants are here to stay– floating below the radar. They work hard they contribute to the daily workings of society. The bottom line is that they’re regular folks like most of us, and if we could improve their quality of life at little or no cost to ourselves– why not?
It’s hard for me to balance the two ideas. My impulse now is to a hard-line stance against Illegal Immigration.
Hell no! I heard about this a while back, and I am very much against it. If you want privileges then you have to go the full monty.
seedsower
No,that should be one of the privileges of being a citizen.
“Driving” with one’s own car on public roads paid with public taxes isn’t an exclusive citizen-right. Geen card holders and foreign exchange students both pay taxes, and they both drive.
No…in fact…no way, Jose’.
The concept bewilders me.
Absolutely not….they are ILLEGAL, and if they cause a bad accident, they can just take off and flee, and not be responsible for anything. This happened here – an ILLEGAL drunk driver killed a 14 year old boy, a friend of my son’s, and fled the country…justice will never be served, because they will never find him.
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That’s retarded, they’re illegal immigrants. They techinically don’t exist in the united states. Since no right to drive exists either, no. They should not be given drivers licenses.
It’s disgusting, this otherization. Their illegal status doesn’t strip them of all their rights. Rape & murder of an illegal immigrant is just as morally reprehensible as rape & murder of an American Citizen.
give them drivers license to legally drive out of this country
Yes. They somehow need to get to the jobs in which fat, lazy Americans don’t want to do.
No…in fact…no way, Jose’.
Your tibit of racism isn’t funny. Shame on you.
japanika is cheeky! and she makes a good point.
No
NO!
In other news <3 Huginn’s enlightenment
No.
Yes. They somehow need to get to the jobs in which fat, lazy Americans don’t want to do.
In many way’s that’s fucking scary. The last thing we want, as Americans, is to create a permenant underclass bereaved of any rights or legal recognition.
pretty sad that illegal immigrants can obtain such a legal document.
very mixed feelings on this. but since where i live they drive anyway and since they are unliscensed and in general drive very, very badly AND are uninsured which means i have to pay extra to carry uninsured motorist coverage which is costing me a fortune i’m afraid i’m going to have to go with supporting some sort of program that allows for licenses and thus insurance.
As hubby says… “how can you give a legal document to an illegal citizen?”
No
No, it’s like rewarding them for breaking the law.
So ridiculous!!!!! If we find out they are ILEGAL, that is the perfect time to make them go through the steps of becoming legal, WHY GIVE THEM A DRIVER’S LICIENCE. That has GOT to be one of the most …..well braindead things the Democrats have come up with yet. I just don’t get how people keep voting for them. Have a great day Dan!
~Grampy~
No.
I can’t believe that Nypho even wrote those things giving a hint of seriousness. And to think that those types of people are voting in elections!!!
No on the illegal aliens question. They are illegal and should be sent back to wherever their homeland is. Their kids should not be citizens because they were born here. Whoever instituted that had his head where the sun does not shine!!!!
I’m so sick of this crap. THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY. THEY SHOULD HAVE NO RIGHTS GRANTED TO THE CITIZENRY OF THIS COUNTRY BY OUR CONSTITUTION AND LAWS.
I’m done now. I can feel my blood pressure elevating as I write.
huginn–but, if the hypothetical illegals who were raped & murdered had not been here illegally, they would not have been raped and murdered. All actions have consequences. The fact is that in such a case, if they had not come here illegally, those particular consequences would not have happened.
I agree that there are basic human rights that illegals should have as you have mentioned. I think that people are too willing to give them the benefit of the doubt despite the fact that they broke the law coming to this country illegally in the first place.
Give them their rights as they are being deported!!!
Police officer: License and registeration please.
Pedro: -gives-
Police officer: Hmm, okay. Your license plate looked funny, that’s why I stopped you.
Pedro: Tu es a puta.
Police officer: Sorry, I don’t speak Mexicano. Thanks for not breaking the law, good citizen.
Pedro: -drives off and chuckles inside-
Little does he know that I’m not a citizen
nope
No.
I shouldn’t have to give an explanation as to why, should I?
stilllooking2find
…The fact is that in such a case, if they had not come here illegally, those particular consequences would not have happened.
The reality of it is that there will always be illegal immigrants in this country. There will always be a least some sort of an entering trickle. That’s the reality of things. The question is, then, what is the fairest and the most financially sensible means of dealing with the illegal immigrants here.
I’m just fearful of an inductive effect: Beinfits to illegal immigrants would lead to greater incentive for illegal immigration. The endowment of something like drivers licenses may also complicate deportation processes? At the point that there will always be illegal immigrants here, treating them like trash or stray cats isn’t the solution. Personally, I like the granting of citizenship to U.S. born children of illegal immigrants– at least there is an avenue for generational upward progression for these families.
Hard-line policy stance aren’t realistic. Exactly how lient our policy ought to be is, in my opinion, tied tightly with their inductive effects on illegal immigration rates.
they take jobs from us and send our precious money home to their families. They will buy the Id if we dont give it to them.. I mean what are we supposed to do their prez tells them how to penetrate our border so he doesnt have to help them and our gov is stupid enough not to really take on the situation by turning a blind eye so i feel they should have to be tatooed if caught and taken back to where they came from
huginn, I seem to agree with you on this issue. I was simply stating that bad things that happen to illegal aliens, such as rape and murder, though those things are wrong and regrettable, would not have happened here had they not been here illegally.
I agree that we likely will never end the trickle of illegals coming into this country. However, this problem will never go away until our borders are secured and we enforce the laws on the books already. I believe that our problem would be minute should those two things happen. My guess is you might agree.
NO!
driving liscences are really just a tax anyway. they are gonna use the roads so they should pay to use them like everyone else.
No! No. And again I say no. Definitely not.
Of course not. Why should they be given privileges that actual citizens have? They should get their citizenship and then get driver’s licenses. Suffice it to say we don’t normally award people for misdeeds.
No. I am a legal alien – here on a green card and when my driver’s license expired – they would only renew it for the remaining time that was on my green card – which was about 8 months at that time. Once I had my new green card – I had to go back and get a new driver’s license.
I do think that Seedsower’s comment about it being the right of a citizen is asinine though. There are thousands of contributing legal aliens in this country who would be hamstrung without being able to drive.
Absolutely and a restounding no!!
Nope! Deport them when they try to get a driver’s license.
No. They’re here ILLEGALLY. We can’t legitimize that.
What we can do is make it easier for people to be here (not necessarily citizens, but to live/work/study here).
And to seesower, driving should not be the right of citizens – it should be the right of legal residents. What about someone who has moved to this country legally, but doesn’t have citizenship? They can (and should be able to) drive legally.
Being here illegally does not make someone into the devil incarnate. I don’t know why we’ve gotten into the habit of blaming ‘illegals’ for all our problems. That’s just sick.
Many of the people being vilified here are hard working honest people who did the only thing they could see that was within their power to help their families in a difficult situation. Who amongst us can say with a certainty that we wouldn’t have done the same if the situation were reversed?
This isn’t nearly as big a deal as politicians playing on your fears wanting to win elections want you to think it is. Relax!
As for how we give an illegal alien a legal document, why it’s quite easy. You just hand it to them. They are two different things. No logical contradiction exists at all. Trying to make it sound like there is one is just being dishonest.
No. While I’m all for states’ rights, immigration is and should be a federal affair. A state deciding to give illegals driver’s licenses is essentially taking immigration duties upon themselves.
“They are illegal and should be sent back to wherever their homeland
is. Their kids should not be citizens because they were born here.
Whoever instituted that had his head where the sun does not shine!!!!”
So you would condemn innocent children for the sins of their parents too? Not even sins really. A single sin. The breaking of one law.
The law that allows children born in the US to be citizens by right of birth is one of the most humane laws we have. It is what has allowed America to serve as an asylum for people fleeing persecution and hatred the world over for generations. It’s a big part of why people want to come here.
We became a powerful nation a beacon for freedom in the world in large part because our immigration policies have always been somewhat lenient. We have invited ” your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free” and made them into the life’s blood of our nation.
But apparently some think that in this day in age we should send the poor, tired, and huddled masses back home with their infant children to starve. Nice.
stacym2 -they take jobs from us and send our precious money home to their
families. They will buy the Id if we dont give it to them.. I mean what
are we supposed to do their prez tells them how to penetrate our
border so he doesnt have to help them and our gov is stupid enough not
to really take on the situation by turning a blind eye so i feel they
should have to be tatooed if caught and taken back to where they came
from
Well, that’s one of the most terrible things I’ve heard stated by a human being in awhile. Yes, let’s tattoo the bastards…
You do realize illegal workers make some economies run b/c the jobs they take are jobs no one else wants. Texas’ (and I’m sure California’s as well) economy relies on illegal immigrants. Yes, we could put international pressure on Mexico’s government to stop encouraging Mexican citizens to come over here, but that is not going to necessarily stop the flow. And tattooing them? How bout we just make them wear a star on their chest while they’re over here….
Fuck no.
sure,. but only if the agree to drive straight back to Mexico. Why can’t they get something like an international license like the visiting Europeans do?
NO!
stilllookingtofind: “However, this problem will never go away until our borders are secured and we enforce the laws on the books already. I believe that our problem would be minute should those two things happen. My guess is you might agree.”
Yes, but I also put value on the quality of life of this country’s constituency whether that person be citizen, legal alien, or illegal alien. If a slight sacrifice in border security or illegal alien crackdown can be traded for an immense benifit of the quality of life of ilelgal aliens, then I’m sure most reasonable people would be for it.
Nephyo said: The law that allows children born in the US to be citizens by right of birth is one of the most humane laws we have.
Actually, it’s one of the stupidist things we do in America and it’s draining the crap out of our healthcare system.
No licenses. No medical care (taxpayer funded). No benefits. DEFINITELY NO VOTING PRIVILEGES! No way!
stacym2: they take jobs from us and send our precious money home to their families.
Sounds a bit like general xenophobia. Your fears here apply to immigrants both legal and illegal.
Absolutely not…Rewarding misdemeanor? Not.
shellybean99: “driving liscences are really just a tax anyway. they are gonna use the roads so they should pay to use them like everyone else. “
A fair point.
The legal implications of this idea opens up an entirely new can of worms. At the point where illegal immigrants are given driver’s licenses and allowed to pay taxes for the upkeep and expansion of the roads they use, where is the distinction between legal/illegal? With the lines so blurred, is deportation a fair too. in handling particular illegal immigration cases?
I suppose what would be fair is a medium-sized fee issued in tandem with illegal alien Driver’s license issuing. The fee would off-set added procedual strain on the state DMV as well as contribute towards general roads/transportation upkeep.
huginn
-”I suppose what would be fair is a medium-sized fee issued in tandem
with illegal alien Driver’s license issuing. The fee would off-set
added procedual strain on the state DMV as well as contribute towards
general roads/transportation upkeep.”
Still does not address the bigger issue: States basically deciding federal immigration policy.
Absolutely not! Receiving a drivers license is from my understanding a privilege that comes with being an American citizen, not a right that I have as a human being.
what about bahb: Still does not address the bigger issue: States basically deciding federal immigration policy.
Why should it be a federal issue? On the surface, states-regulation would make sense. Due to differeing geography, each state’s illegal immigrations issue is unique. California and Texas border Mexico. Out of the 50 states, Florida is closest to Cuba. Hawaii is staring at Asia across the Pacific.
I knwo its mean to say but no. Illegal Imigrants really shouldnt get anything. If we reward them for coming into our country illigally they’ll keep on doing it, she should ship them back.
fivepts: “Actually, it’s one of the stupidist things we do in America and it’s draining the crap out of our healthcare system.”
It is entirel possible for something to be stupid AND humane and if I had to choose between doing something stupid and humane versus something clever and inhumanly cruel I’m going to choose the stupid and humane choice every single time.
But in this case I don’t think it’s that stupid after all. The healthcare thing is a total red herring. It’s even worse than the tort reform nonsense. Our healthcare system does have problems but I guarantee you that deporting all illegal immigrants will solve none of them. And certainly I have no idea how anyone could even conceive that denying their children citizenship is suddenly going to make the healthcare system work so much more efficiently. Native born citizenship is not a new principle at all. It’s been a part of our laws from the beginning. Somehow the health care system in the US has survived for all these years with that rule in place. What makes the situation so dire now that we need to change it?
What is the real cause of our health care problems? Well there are a lot of things. Here are a few. Inefficient distribution of resources is a big part of it. Big cities have more doctors and hospital beds than they need whereas other places go without. Certainly the proliferation of poor health and eating habits has a lot to do with it. Too much McDonalds. Not enough exercise. That kind of thing. And lack of universal health care is a big problem too, since it means many go without preventative care that would prevent future problems down the road. But probably the biggest cause is something simpler by far. Demographics. We have less labor and dollars going in to support a much larger elderly population. Or did we delusionally think that the baby boomers would start getting healthier as they got older?
All these things can’t be blamed on illegal immigrants at all. They’re our own damn fault so we have to deal with them.
No, because driver license is a privilege. They have to earn that first before being able to drive on the road like become a US citizen and passing the road test.
a driver’s license isn’t a prize >_> idiot.
its still based on one’s performance and ability to operate a machine.
this raises an even bigger question; whether it is a moral issue (which it isn’t.) or if an actual law should be passed with no real basis.
what if an american female goes to another country where women aren’t allowed to drive? does that mean that they should still be allowed to drive?
quite frankly i don’t think people who aren’t citizens especially should be even more severely punished for breaking a law here; but as far as i know there’s no law against giving an illegal alien a drivers license. i’d rather not discuss such matters since most americans tend to give themselves far more privileges than what they should be allowed, obscuring their view on such matters.
illegal immigrants are the foundation of America.
If they can drive, why not give them a license? It’s sad.. how many Americans discriminate and hate on people who just want to make a living for themselves and their family.
Spoiled, the lot of you.
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They shouldn’t be given anything, and should be sent back to Mexico, or wherever they’re from.
Nope. That’s a citizen luxury.
no, because illegal immigrants drive uninsured vehicles, and if you get hit by an uninsured vehicle, you’re screwed.
…there are AMERICANS that drive uninsured cars.
don’t be a dumbass >_>
your argument is clearly flawed.
huginn-“Why should it be a federal issue? On the surface, states-regulation
would make sense. Due to differeing geography, each state’s illegal
immigrations issue is unique. California and Texas border Mexico. Out
of the 50 states, Florida is closest to Cuba. Hawaii is staring at Asia
across the Pacific.”
Because, based on the Constitution, regulation of immigration in an implied power of the Federal government. The Supreme Court has continually confirmed this. (DeCanas v. Bica, 424 U.S. 351, 354–55 (1976)- “Power to regulate immigration is unquestionably exclusively a federal power.”)
More reading on the topic here
Illegal immigration is definitely a problem, especially in the health industry where hospitals are being inundated with people that cannot pay and must be treated without any chance of recouping those losses.
The real question here is: How do you stop it? Our borders are more porous than ever. If you can’t make it out of Mexico, you surely can walk down from Canada.
“…but as far as i know there’s no law against giving an illegal alien a drivers license.”
If Congress decides to do it, there’s nothing illegal about it at all. If a state does it, then it is effectively beginning to regulate immigration, since the full faith and credit clause (Article IV, Section 1) deems that the New York driver’s license be recognized by other states, which is a constitutional no-no.
Why not? We give ‘em to everyone else.
“ The real question here is: How do you stop it? Our borders are more
porous than ever. If you can’t make it out of Mexico, you surely can
walk down from Canada.”
It’s kinda funny, but we actually have people walking “up” into Canada to get cheaper medicine.
I wasnt aware they did! IN FACT the undocumented Alien lady who ran over ME last year DID NOT! And b/c of that she didnt get a ticket go FIGURE! I got stuck w/ med bills, lost wages and a gippy elbow due to the fact that her HUSBAND who is legal and had a Driver Lic happen to lapse one day on his insurance I got JACK SQUAT!!!
There should have been some kind of consequence and there wasnt. We give tooooooo much to Aliens in my opinion/experience. They are breaking the law plain and simple.
Lack of universal insurance coverage and illegal immigration are two different things. Fixing the one won’t solve the other and vice versa. This is true for both medical insurance and car insurance. So why do we keep blaming illegal immigrants for these problems?
If it’s illegal to be an illegal (I’m thinking yes), I have a hard time understanding why we’re asking this question. I can only assume that it’s because they are allowed to live as legal citizens in most areas of their lives. I am not saying all illegals are spawns of Satan. I believe many of them here have good intentions. But that doesn’t change the fact that they are not honoring the proper channels of naturalization. It’s fun to read Mexico’s stance on illegals in light of discussions we hear in America.
If the governmental body that gives out licences has enough information to do that, they also have enough to give to ICE to get them out of the US.
Hell no. They’ll bring more of them in.
No.
Freaking heck no.
Whatever happened to good ole deportation?
The first thing I learned in my 7th grade history class, is that CITIZENS of the United States have both rights and privileges. Driving is a privilege for American citizens, not a right. Illegal immigrants may drive anyway, but they have no rights, nor any privileges.
as a bill collector, i find the argument that they take the jobs no one wants to be a bit rediculous. i talk to people every-day that would take any job that would pay their bills. the problem is, illegals will work for less, they will work under the table and send that money away. maybe we should look for our “workforce” amongst the homeless, unemployed and dissenfranchised of our own before trying to feed everyone else. im not saying we should leave everyone else out in the cold, but why are we trying to feed our neighbors while our own family members(legitimate citizens) starve?
no. shoot them.
Since they are illegal, can they even get a license? I am too lazy to read through the entire article to learn more about the whole issue.
No.
Haha, I remember Hillary not giving a straight answer on this. :]
no
go_granny_go: “Illegal immigrants may drive anyway, but they have no rights, nor any privileges.”
This is incorrect. Inalienable rights are not granted by the State only protected by it. So, whatever you think about their privileges they most certainly DO have rights such as the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Why is this even a question?
Nope.
well, i think it’s ok to give them a license since they drive without them anyways. however, i think there should be stiffer penalties for driving without one.
Never, never, never…..
> nope!!
Peace
No,their illegal
absolutely NOT!!!!!! they need to become LEGAL citizens to enjoy our freedoms!! period.
Actually Dan you may be onto something here. Let’s say they can get a driver’s liscense, but when they go to the DPS station to get theirs, let’s arrest ‘em and send em back to where the came from! hooray!
They can’t anymore. At least, not in Missouri.
Part of the granting of the Patriot Act is pushing all of the states (by 2008 – though it wasn’t specified as to WHEN in 2008) to require what they call ‘Proof of Lawful Presence’, which requires the drivers license bureaus/DMVs to see Birth Certificates, Passports, Resident Cards, etc of ALL applicants. Once a U.S. Citizen proves they’re lawfully within the United States, their profile is flagged by the state as a U.S. Citizen and they aren’t required to show proof of such again.
However, if they are NOT U.S. Citizens, their Drivers License, Non-Drivers ID cards, etc will be issued to them depending on their status (as defined by their Passports, Permanent Resident cards, etc) and will expire accordingly to when their stay in the United States expires. Furthermore, we’re required to send in photocopies of all documents were verifying, which are then forwarded to INS to prove they’re legit and not dups or fakes. It’s not until after they clear all the processes that Missouri will even PRINT the card, let alone give it to them. Failure to provide proof they’re legally in the United States gets them shown the door.
I love where I work.
No
NO! THEY SHOULD BE THROWN OUT OF THE COUNTRY!
Hell Fucking NO!
No!! but what are you going to do send them all back? Maybe the gov. should but it is very unlikely. Next thing you know is they’ll be driving with no license etc. So go figure, which is the lesser of two evils?
A driver’s license implies citizenship. If there is such thing as a visitor’s license, that would be appropriate for non-citizens. Visitors should certainly be able to drive legally with visitor status.
MOST OF THE LEGAL AMERICANS SHOULDN’T BE DRIVING EITHER.
I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD GO THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE DRIVING TEST INCLUDING: DO YOU KNOW HOW TO USE A TURN SIGNAL!!!
BTW: Who ARE these illegals, ‘them’ or ‘us? What if the Native Americans sent us back???
no. no. no.
No way in hell. When they’re caught driving, they should be deported immediately. I hate illegal immigrants…
Fuck no. Maybe we should focus on the fact that they aren’t legal……… then if they are willing to take a test here and be able to read the test themselves, then sure. Otherwise, NO! I know a family who lost their 4 year old daughter because of an illegal alien driving a vehicle drunk and hitting them.
No way, however, I would favor open border policy as long as there is someone checking on whether we want the people in our country. We can always use good people. But that group would have much power.