November 21, 2007
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200 Lashes for the Rape Victim
A lady in Saudi was ganged raped but then sentenced to 200 lashes.
She is 19-years-old and was abducted and raped by a group of seven men. The woman was sentenced to 90 lashes and then had the sentenced changed to 200 lashes.
The woman was charged in the case because it is “illegal for a woman to meet with an unrelated male under Saudi’s Islamic law.” She was driving with another man to recover a photo. Here is the link: Link
Almost every time I post about a story like this there will be someone to say that we should not impose our thinking on their culture and we shouldn’t judge their culture.
Should it be the goal of the U.S. to impose our beliefs of the treatment of women on Islamic culture?
Comments (112)
i… god, it’s too early for this sort of question.
You would think so, but this is their culture. Think of the opposite, of someone trying to convince you to treat women like they do. If that makes any sense. I just mean that this is their culture, their tradition, their way of being brought up. Another country can’t just change that overnight.
I think America should have a lot better goals that that!
I agree with Kestryl, but I’ll give it a shot. It shouldn’t be our “goal” to “impose” our beliefs, but it should be our goal to further human rights causes all over the world, whether it is in Arab countries, or China, or elsewhere. This goal stems from a basic belief that humans should be treated with a certain minimum standard of respect and dignity. We didn’t “impose” our beliefs on Germany during WWII, and look where that got everyone.
I think we should impose our beliefs on them by liberating their country from their royal family of jerks. We’ve protected them from Saddam, but not from themselves.
That’s a hard call. I don’t like us imposing our views normally, but lashing women is abuse – regardless of culture. Can we get involved and try to put a stop to it in Islamic countries? There may be some aid groups that make that attempt, but our government cannot. I do hate to see abuse being perpetrated anywhere, on anyone.
Kathi
I think if they hate women so much we should just bring them all over here, and let the men kill each other in peace.
I mean honestly, that’s monsterous. That’s evil.
The outrage isn’t about imposing anything upon anyone. It’s about recognizing something should be universal. Unjust physical and emotional harm was ordered upon this women by a state instituation. If you can’t first recognized that this is fxxxed up, then you’re fxxxed up yourself.
We need to realize how blessed we have it – as women – in the U.S. We talked about this at church on Sun night. These men are brainwashed from the time they’re young kids to their adult-hood. Women are supposed to do whatever the man tells her to do or else she’s considered well leave it at this ‘non-submitter.’
It’s not judging their culture. It’s the world we live in. The Islamic religion is told they come in peace, in reality they don’t. I recommend anyone trying to read the Quoran. I think that’s the originally spelling. Islam is the second fastest growing religion in the world. Why? Because it is compelling. Read the originally Quoran yourself. People need to understand that these people may have a good heart and intentions, but they are here to wipe out anyone who’s 1. Christian and 2. supports the nation of Israel – us, as the U.S. Therefore, they are a true threat to us.
But people need to realize it’s worse than we think it is over there. I have friends in the Military. And I know what they’ve told me. As well as other sources. Some people say we need to pull our troops that this is a war over oil and other crap. It’s not. Ladies and gents, it’s just not a physical war we’re fighting, nor is it oil prices or oil. Do I think America can live off of our own sources of oil and not foriegn? Yes I do. This war is over the darkness and what the bible is talks about in Ezekiel and Revelation. It’s all coming together. Christ is going to return one day. It’s so close.
My say so. Didn’t mean to ramble on.
That case may be highly twisted but I think that our culture has decayed to such an extent that we shouldn’t consider ourselves to be role models to other cultures at this point. So many young American women I’ve personally encountered in the past few years have been vile creatures obsessed with a lifestyle of casual sex, drugs, alcohol and pure consumerist greed. So what should we do in this scenario, appoint Paris Hilton to be our cultural ambassador to Saudi Arabia in order to bring them into a new era of enlightenment? It would be a case of inflicting a morally debased modern culture on a medieval one and I’m not sure which of the two is worse.
Should we be selling fighter jet parts (and we do) to a country with such a horrible human rights record? I think we need to cut their supply off.
This crazy nation still has public whippings and beheadings. Rediculous.
Hell yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No one should be treated be like that.
This is sad. I am speachless.
I have never been a feminist, merely for equal rights for all humans…
But reading about this story makes me so angry that it boils over and I
want to take the whip that she’s going to be punished with and shove it
up that smug bastard’s ass.
200 lashes? I cannot even imagine five. That poor woman is never going to be the same again.
The ludicrous behavior and mindset that society has towards its women makes me so sad and scared for them.
I’m tired of hearing fellow Americans vouch for the religious freedom
of Muslims even in the face of evil deeds that are not attempted to be
hidden… Why do we do that? It was in the name of Allah and ji’had
that we were terrorized in the first place.
Stop with the political correctness already… It’s insane.
It should be the goal of every human being to impose the humane treatment of all levels of society on all cultures. Human rights trumps culture.
Speaking from the cultural perspective, I can see how their message is that if she hadn’t broken the law, she would never have been raped in the first place… but wouldn’t the rape be punishment enough? …. culture or not, religion or not, there are certain things that just go against human ethics and this is one such thing. That is like excusing Hitler’s treatment of the Jews as a cultural thing…
&daggers;Cryssie♥Leah™
I have a better idea Dan: let’s get all the pictures we can of the whipping and post them over the internet. When asked to remove them, say no citing that you are post the pictures as a reminder that this woman broke the law and that she serves as a warning to others.
No on should ever try to impose their beliefs on anyone.
I think we should impose the general beliefs of the world and I would assume most countries would not agree with this
When it comes to the Middle East, I thnk we already have our share of goals possessing questionable achievability. That said, I think it is more than appropriate for us to state our abhorrence of this act. They will, of course, question our own values. Just how far do we want to take the ‘debate’?
Respect culture, try to understand culture…
but should that stop us from thinking this unjust?
As several other people have said, it’s not an issue of imposing our beliefs on another country, it’s a case of ensuring basic rights for all humans. However, as callous as this may sound, if she broke the law, we can’t stop them from punishing her. Are we trying to say that if a woman in this country went and killed someone, and then got raped, we wouldn’t prosecute her for murder? It’s the same concept.
that’s not the Islamic culture. maybe the culture of their countries culture. but show me where in the Koran it says to do stuff like that.
As The_Melancholy said: “However, as callous as this may sound, if she broke the law, we can’t
stop them from punishing her. Are we trying to say that if a woman in
this country went and killed someone, and then got raped, we wouldn’t
prosecute her for murder? It’s the same concept.”
In a way that’s correct. The tendency is to see a direct correlation between the rape and the meeting a non-relative male punishment even though there really isn’t one.
However 200 lashes for meeting a non-relative male still sounds horrendous and I have to agree with sweettwistedsyndromesystem… show me where in the Koran it says to do that… that’s horrible.
†Cryssie♥Leah™
One in four children in the US will experience sexual assault/abuse before they reach the age of 18.
Maybe we ought to attempt to fix our own problems before we go gung-ho into another nation in an attempt to fix theirs.
when is it EVER ok to blame the victim… ever heard of date rape…
maybe us women should all be barefoot and prenant and not be allowed to hold jobs (other then teaching) and forget about voting….
anyone who thinks we should NOT stand up for this young woman needs to re-evaluate their morals. i would go to jail to defend this young lady.
No, I don’t think we should impose our beliefs on Islamic culture.
However, sooner or later they’ll understand the principle of “you reap what you sow”.
Prayer works where actions can’t or won’t.
I wouldn’t exactly call it “our beliefs”.
Do most of the women who get lashed there believe it is just?
Basic human ethics is a universal thing that God instilled in all of us.
Nah. Who says that the U.S. is always right? I don’t think it’s wise to go into a country and say, “You hurt one poor girl! This means your traditions, your culture, and your religion are all wrong! Be like us or we’ll bomb you for, uh, umm, weapons of mass destruction or, uh, whatever else we can come up with to bomb you for!”
I don’t like to hear about women being beaten…or raped – that’s for sure. On the other hand, I’m not so bothered when I hear that a criminal was punished. I’m not from that part of the world so I really don’t know what to think of this story.
Prayer works where actions can’t or won’t. – edlives
Good words!!
[sarcasm]Of course not.
What the hell were we in Germany to begin with: Imposing our values on Nazi Germany?! What Hitler wanted to with his own people is a question for Western Europeans and not us. Likewise with Stalin and Pol Pot. If China wants to abuse human rights, let them! Who are we to say, we’re not Chinese.
For absoultey no good reason at all, we should all put up blinders and live in a penumatic bowl.[/sarcasm]
It’s true that we shouldn’t force our opinions or beliefs on other people, but when it comes to a violation of human rights and injustice, someone should intervene, whether it a specific country or organization.
I don’t know. I just can’t get over how ridiculous that dyed beard and mustache looks on that guy. Ravens are probably looking at it and commenting on how black it is!
we shouldn’t impose our culture lol
I really think that 90 lashes was excessive, and 200 outrageous.
What sentence did the men who committed this vile crime get? I haven’t heard that mentioned, but the yahoo article said that sometimes rapists get very light sentences and sometimes severe sentences. I think they should get severe penalties.
The US should not try to force other countries to make their laws like ours, just like we would not want other countries to force us to follow their laws. If individual Americans want to protest, that’s their business.
how is this a violation of human rights???
it is in their LAW and she broke the rules. Thinking is…if she didn’t break the LAW….then she wouldn’t have been in this position and therefore would not have been raped!
See their weird LAW does WORK if you follow it.
If you as a citizen don’t like the law of the land, you can leave………..become Christian or something!
Treatment of women like that in ANY culture is just plain wrong and I don’t care who it is doing it, they should NOT be able to get away with it. But then there will come a day when TRUE JUSTICE will be served to men like this. Nothing else to say on this matter!
I had posted this article sometime back. I also sought the response from two muslim women. One I have corresponded with before on Islam and she is from Saudi Arabia (now lives in the U.S.) I didn’t get a response from either women on this issue.
If one does believe that Life, liberty and the ownership of property are inalienable rights that every human naturally seeks in their lives and endowed by God upon humans (this is not in the BIble by the way, but I believe it is true based on philosophy and just the pure evidence of history), then one doesn’t see it as imposing ones beliefs upon another, but seeking that basic right that every human naturally desires. In muslim society due to Sharia law a woman’s natural rights (which men have more of) are denied them. Also in that story that woman and her lawyer are punished more for trying to appeal this decision.
One then would wonder why Muslim nations are more oppressive (and even those muslim nations like Malaysia and Indonesia that are progressive, but still appease muslim extremists in those nations). I think a writer Spengler has an interesting theory on why this may be.
He also has an interesting article in First Things
The links to those articles are hard to see, but click on the words.
These stories always make me feel ill.
There is a limit to tolerance. When women are allowed to be gang raped, and then punished for it (while the men go free), that’s not something to “tolerate” or “not pass judgement on.” That’s a gross breech of human rights and needs to be done away with.
At one point it was our “culture” to own and beat slaves. The fact that it was part of the “culture” didn’t make it any less wrong, or any less needy of someone putting a stop to the practice.
“how is this a violation of human rights???”
kboy25– Let’s see the US impose some law about you not being to, say, drive with a female in the car. Then you happen to break that rule one night for some reason.
Say your punishment is to get ass-raped by 5 men, and then get 290 lashes.
Would you think that was fair? I didn’t think so. Why don’t you try to think before you speak.
i think we should impose our beliefs on any country who believes that women are basically the bottom of the toilet and treats them like s&*t. women are human just like men and need to be treated equally.
kboy25
it is in their LAW and she broke the rules. Thinking is…if she didn’t break the LAW….then she wouldn’t have been in this position and therefore would not have been raped!
See their weird LAW does WORK if you follow it.
I really hope you’re trying to be funny.
Just because a law or policy is passed by those in charge of a country doesn’t mean that that piece of legislation is fair or just. During Pol Pot’s reign in Cambodia, any glasses-wearing person was put to death. What about Aparthaid South Africa? I can draw even more examples from Kim Jung Il’s North Korea or Adolf’s Germany, but I’d just be boring you.
That is disusting. Thanks for your comment btw. And oh, that vid on the top of your site is hilarious, really want to watch Gd Luck Chuck now!
If we did that, it would be saying, “Do it our way; we’re right because we have the guns.” That will piss off most other countries already pissed at us, raise every Islamic country to arms, and further alienate the more common sensed people of this country.
The wrongness of this action is no imposing a belief! It’s screaming out for basic human rights. And proof that basing law on religious/theology is flat out bullshit!
The U.S. should have nothing to do with other cultures. I’m sure they think we’re the ones that are fucked. Are we right? Or are they? No one chose us to decide for everyone.
I think, if we wanted to spread American rights, we should start being a more likable country (not invading other countries)
not as ‘americans’ but as humans – we should discourage any type of suffering and seek peave and true justic (not “male only” justice as we see here).
Daniel (doubledb)
No, because we don’t need to be the police of the world.
However, their “culture” is ethically corrupt and backwards – if we do take it upon ourselves to ensure human rights worldwide, the middle east would be a great place to start.
kboy, the law itself is a violation of human rights, kind of like the income tax in this country.
Also, they try to make it as difficult as possible for women to leave the country.
For the treatment of women, it’s not culture, it’s human rights. Some things are universal throughout all culture: not abusing women is one of those things.
On the whole I do tend to agree that we shouldn’t impose our beliefs, though.
I wonder while it is not practical for us to forcibly impose our system of morality on another culture. Do we have enough faith in our own convictions to say simply, that what they do in that culture is pure evil?
Most of us don’t, but they have that strong a conviction about our culture. I can’t see a wimpy culture, totally lacking in any self confidence convincing a strong Islamic culture that they are wrong. Those woman best just deal with being raped and keep their months shut about it. 200 lashes is often a death sentence
Yes, we should impose our belief that what they are doing is wrong, but if they do not wish to hear us out, let’s let them be. I hate it when the US interferes w/ other countries.
That’s a tough one.
But I believe that no one should be beaten right after being raped, regardless of their crime. I think punishment could wait.. & I would hope that punishment wouldn’t be a beaten.
Like others said- we’re talking about equal treatment for all humans- I didn’t read the article but if those men aren’t going to be beaten for raping her then she shouldn’t be beaten for being with someone she shouldn’t have been.
So complicated.
Not hard in the least. Beating the shit out of someone because they were raped beyond their ability to fight back should be -reversed- unto the beaters in EVERY city in EVERY country in EVERY continent on EVERY planet. Period.
This is tough, but what about human rights?! ryc: I liked it!!
It is my understanding that peace love, and understanding cannot be imposed. It is also my understanding that Sharia Law is not mentioned in the Qu’ran. Even if it is, the Bible has a lot of sexist text and “the woman shall yield” bullshit in it, but in the West we don’t necessarily follow that.
I don’t think any God really endorses sexism.
I will admit that I only have the Western perspective, but I stand in open defiance of anyone who would say that women should not have equal rights to men.
Gosh I have so much to say about that but all I will say is YES. And what the fuck happens to those rapers? Nothing?
This is not about cultures… it’s about the human race and how humans treat one another.
God commanded us to love Him and then to love others. I think that trying to help women out of this sort of mistreatment falls under the second part.
However I feel strongly that we should try to work on our own problems
first…but this is a seriously indecent mistreatment of a human being.
somehow I don’t find any justification for their behavior- even from their own beliefs, surely many muslims are outraged about this too but they’ve been so cowed by their dictatorial government that they won’t do anything about it- so women go on suffering needlessly and we’re supposed to just smile and nod and go one with our lives in the name of political correctness?
i’m with others who have said so- i don’t think even the Koran backs up this horrendous excuse for “punishment”
I respect other cultures as a whole, however there are practices in every culture, even ours, that are unnecessary, harsh, horrid or disgusting.
She was raped, against her will. The man should be in trouble. Yes she broken Islamic law, but even some of the Muslims must see the ridiculousness of the situation.
Hm, i agree, it’s a human’s right question not an issue of culture.
*rights
No. It’s their culture. Just because it isn’t American doesn’t mean it’s wrong. (Although I DO think it’s wrong.) It’s an incredibly egotistical attitude to think that because it isn’t how America treats people, it’s wrong.
Personally, I think Saudi Arabia is stuck back in some distant century and anyone who dared whip a woman for being raped should be hanged by his balls and left there until they ripped off. Then shot.
What was that lady doing out of the kitchen? Srsly.
ideally it would be great to do that (in certain terms…) but unrealistic.
It should be our goal to get rid of the Islamic culture.
that is riduculous. i don’t care what you say. it is.
of course we shouldn’t. why should we care if they abuse their women. It’s not like it is our daughter or anything right?
It is overwhelming to think of the hurt this woman has gone through - mentally, spiritually, and physically. I know it is only one case out of 1,000′s. I have a hard time thinking of anything good about a country that does not understand the worth of a human being.
curtural relitivisim is what my sociology class says is the answer to this problem… that means bacily dont judge a culture till u look at it through the culturs eyes…
in this case… i say skrew that. how do u get 200 lashes for getting raped? how bout u use common sence an give the guys a lashing…
people suck. its what makes the world go round.
We shouldn’t judge their culture or their religion for their worst acts and their worst teachings unless we are willing to do the same for our own culture and our own religion.
But should we try to change this? Absolutely! It should be our goal to promote human rights everywhere, not just where and when it is convenient for us. That’s not imposing our beliefs, it’s basic morality.
Unfortunately our national track record with supporting human rights has been inconsistent. The US has a tendency to ignore human rights violations in our allies and condemn them in our enemies. That’s the problem.
And the other problem is the way we go about trying to promote human rights is sometimes stupid. You know what the best and fastest way to get stuff like this to stop is? Policies that increase the educational level and standard of living amongst the citizens of those nations. This is far more effective then ringing condemnations and threats of war. Do that and you’ll be surprised how quickly these nations change themselves, especially with our support.
Make no mistake, there is nothing special about the US that makes us more free. If we hadn’t seen such a boost in prosperity over the last century, we’d never have progressed so far in terms of equality. Segregation and chauvinism would still be the norm.
“However, as callous as this may sound, if she broke the law, we can’t
stop them from punishing her. Are we trying to say that if a woman in
this country went and killed someone, and then got raped, we wouldn’t
prosecute her for murder? It’s the same concept.”
That’s the point, she was punished for a different crime that was unrelated. I don’t agree with the law, but we can’t go to every country and impose our will.
By the way, where was the outrage for the slaughter in Myanmar? That strikes me as a more important Human Rights issue
HINT HINT DAN!
We can’t have it both ways people. We don’t want to interfer, but then — well maybe just this once, just doesn’t work.. You either interfer or you don’t, regardless of how we feel about it.
Besides, we couldn’t get them to change this practice even if we wanted to.
If you as a citizen don’t like the law of the land, you can leave………..become Christian or something!
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Your problem being, if a Saudi woman doesn’t like Sharia law and wants to leave Saudi Arabia, she can’t. She has to have permission from a male relative. And converting to Christianity…? If you think the 200 lashes are bad, just wait ’till you hear what they do to ex-Muslims over there.
i don’t know. i want to say yes. i wish i understood other cultures better.
No we shouldn’t. This is their culture and their way of life, leave them alone and let them live it. We live in America and half of us are screwed up enough to be making headlines, let’s focus on us.
and here are the leftist scumbags helping them to push Islam in America. all in the name of tolerance and diversity. and these people are committed to imposing their ways on us, whether by blowing up our buildings or creating funny tv shows to make it look not so bad, and their buddies here at home are helping them by removing all traces of Christianity from the public schools and buildings. 200 lashes for a gang rape victim, sounds like the kind of “tolerance and diversity” I’d like to see growing in our nation. Rape should be a capital offense, punishable by death. And it needs to be carried out in short order.
That story is unfortunate in so many ways. I think we need to express our compassion for people to that country, not impose our beliefs on them. If they saw us as a loving country, full of grace and compassion, they may (or may not) change for the better on thier own. The problem is, the see us as greedy, selfish individuals and not people filled with compassion for the hurting people of the world. I think…
imposing is never ok. not to say i find this right. but if it is under their legal system then we cannot challenge it unless we are equally willing to accept challenges to acts condoned within our own legal system that other countries take issue with. refusing this makes our argument of striving for equality empty, how on earth would anyother group beliee that we are striving for equality if we don’t address issues of our own by hearing their concerns?
We can impose our beliefs on them if any of them wish to follow them they should be given the opportunity and if some want to stay with their original beilefs then they should be allowed
I do not understand the reasons behind their sentence. I think it is repulsive. I don’t feel that I’m imposing my belief as a US citizen on them but rather as a human being.
I don’t think it should be a goal of the US to go and force other countries to abide by laws that we see as fit, I think it should be a goal of the US to lead by example, and hope other countries follow suit. But I don’t think we can do that until we regain faith in our own judicial and legal system, here, at home.
The next question should be that “if you answered yes, would you feel okay with Saudi Arabia trying to force their laws on the US?” because that’s really the same thing. It’s not okay for us to force our laws and way of life on them, just as it is not okay for them to force their laws and way of life on us. I think it’s ridiculous for people to say “yes,” but if asked if Saudi Arabia should be allowed to do it to us, they’d say “no.”
Maybe we shouldn’t make those people our allies and buddies…
Saudi’s Islamic law = Odd
Whatever, if it is only culture, still, it’s unfair.
Rape victim is the one who gets punishment??? While the seven rapists are wandering out there and maybe looking for a new victim to release their lust. Oh please, God won’t smile for this case.
it is a harsh punishment but i think she knew the laws. i mean sometimes the laws arent right and i think that in this situtation it is not right. y didnt she go with her husband or relative to see the man. there must be something in the picture.
Not raping people isn’t just a US sentiment, it’s a UNIVERSAL, moral law. Ya know, the whole conscience thing? Raping is wrong, even if you live in Saudi Arabia. Sorry to anyone out there who thinks that I am imposing my beliefs, but you’ve jumped off the deep end.
That is ridiculous. A woman getting whipped because she was gang raped? What the fuck happened to justice over there?! Do these Islamic people really think these men would go to heaven for doing these things to women? I mean, I am pretty sure God dont tend to make women weak. I hope those some of those men know that without women, none of would be born! They better thank God that He decided not to switch up roles.
I really feel like people these days should appreciate women.
Do these Islamic people really think these men would go to heaven for doing these things to women?
When I mean Islamic people, I dont mean all Islamic people.
> ‘The woman was charged in the case because it is “illegal for a woman to meet with an unrelated male under Saudi’s Islamic law.” She was driving with another man to recover a photo.’ > Islamic law, Saudi-style, like it or don’t! For the uninformed, nobody, nowhere ever can force the House of Saud to do anything! They be rich, oil rich, and the current throne sitter is gettin’ alot of flack from other family members ’bout us, so they not be too friendly right now…. The only thing that holds us in any sort of ‘esteem’ is our necessary military presence and the ‘good behavior’ of our troops…. Been there, done that.
Peace
No, but we should stop supporting leaders that they hate. (the Saudi people don’t like the Saudi government very much…)
You can hardly call it “imposing our beliefs” in a situation like this.
I’m wondering what the rapists were charged with
Godlywoman83, as a Muslim WOMAN I must say I’ve NEVER read anything in the Quran that is anti-Christian, etc.
I’ve gone to church and some of my best friends are Christian. I’m always offended when people say that. Christian and Jewish people are considered “people of the book.” And everyone is human.
And secondly, that is not “Islamic Culture” at most its Saudi Male-represented Government. You can’t blame an entire religion that has so many faithful followers on the actions of a country’s government. I would never believe in a religion that mistreats ME. Us Americans of all people should know that a country’s government doesn’t always represent it’s people.
Peace
All cultures I believe judge other cultures in one way or another… maybe in subtle ways or vocal ways.. the bible tells not to judge one another, but being human is a whole other issue
And leave what to take it’s place? No. Nations get the leaders they deserve. It’s up to them to change it. Genocide notwithstanding.
uhhh….Dan??? There is something called simple basic human rights and ANYONE on this earth I don’t care WHERE they live has the right NOT to be raped. Oh yeah and then punished for BEING raped??? Thats simply barbaric, cruel and downright disgusting. I am not applying the US’s laws to this. Look at it simply from the prospective of being a human being. thats all.
This is not about one culture versus another…this is about simply what is right. No, we should not impose our American culture on them. It’s beautiful thing that people can create such different cultures…HOWEVER, that does mean we have to let injustice and cruelty reign either. Unfortunately, that’s not a cultural thing. It’s a flaw in humanity.
Even though I think it’s wrong it is their culture.
But the men who raped her should have been punished also.
Not allowing women to meet with an unrelated male could be a rule in order to prevent such a thing from happening. If she hadn’t been with that man, she might not have gotten raped (not trying to justify the gang rape itself). I don’t think she will do something like that again, she will probably always have family with her so the 200 lashes were not needed at all.
As for the actual question: I think it is the U.N.s, not the United States’, responcibility to make sure that human rights are protected and still respect the culture. The United States shouldn’t impose beliefs on other cultures, but maybe act as part of the U.N. to make sure that people’s rights are protected.
America executes folk. They aren’t all guilty either. America does replaced regimes that murder and torture and rape their citizens. OK. The new regimesmurder and torture and rape their citizens too. But that’s not the point is it?
The Saudi’s could boi and eat her for all America (or at least the administration care) cares. Saudi’s are allies.
No.
Is is right that she was raped? NO
But, at the same time, she knew the law and she broke it. If she doesn’t want to abide by the countries laws then she should leave.
The United States needs to focus on fixing its own problems before interfereing in other countries and trying to spread “freedom.”
My family is Muslim. I am not, but they are. This sort of situation has nothing to do with Islam. It is the society itself. Saudi Arabia is screwed up, that’s my opinion. I feel that the Arab culture is terrible to women. They use Islam as an excuse to treat women poorly. In reality, the religion of Islam gives women rights. It is the only religion where women have rights such as divorce rights, property rights etc. Islam is not tough, and it’s not brutal. It’s actually very peaceful. The Arabs twist around the mentality. They like to abuse women. Not only women, but their children are severely beaten also.
Seeing a women beaten like that for being raped is disgusting. It’s even more disgusting to say that it’s an “islamic law” not to meet with men. That is not true at all. There is no islamic law how women are not supposed to meet with unrelated men.
We should not interfere because it’s not our country. They are screwed up and it’s their own fault. Let them deal with it. Sorry to say, but thats the way the world works.
it`s not the matter of imposing our own beliefs. we just don`t like cruelty because.. it`s wrong. can`t they just change it to 200 taps on the hands w/ a ruler instead?
They don’t seem to have a problem with wanting to impose their belief systems on us.
Only on this type of thing and domestic abuse.
I’m with oneangelwaiting. Women and children get assaulted mentally, physically, and sexually every minute in this country. Most rape victims never report their attacks because of the stigma that they must have done something to instigate it. On top of that, we have knuckle-dragging fundamentalists in Congress and on the Supreme Court trying their damndest to overturn Roe v. Wade.
I truly feel for that woman; how horrible to suffer such a brutal attack and then be punished for the actions of her attackers. But we’ve got a long way to go right here in the good ol’ US of A before we go posing for holy pictures abroad.
I think there’s a lot to learn from all cultures (including the United States) – none of them are perfect.
In the case of the news posted, how can anyone justify that sentence? Ugh.
too sad
that’s not Islamic culture; that’s the culture in that area. don’t get the two confused.