December 2, 2007
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Boy Scouts and Gay Leaders
About a month and a half ago, I posted on the issue of the city of Philadelphia was forcing the Boy Scouts chapter to increase its rent from $1 a year to $200,000 a year.
The Boy Scouts had been renting the city-owned headquarters. But the price increase was added because the Boy Scouts refuse to permit gays.
A discussion began in the comment box about having men that were gay watching boys. Here are a few of the comments:
“Putting gay into the “Boy Scout” Does that sound like peodophile to you?? Since boy scout usually involve little boys?? I find it eerie to mix it around with..”
“It seems like a safety issue to me. Gay men around little boys hmmmm……no thank you.”
“What is the problem with putting a heterosexual young man in charge of a group of girls that range in age from 13 to 18? Now they can go on back backing trips for a week at a time. See a problem yet?
But a homosexual young man in charge of other young men and you have the same thing. It’s not a good idea, the Boy Scouts should be commended for not backing down.” Here is the link to that post: Link
The last comment I quoted is where I want to focus. The person was indicating that we wouldn’t send a man off on an overnight trip with a group of young girls.
Is it wise to send a boy on an overnight trip with a gay man?
Comments (107)
Good question.
Hmm
no, because everyone knows that all gays and lesbians are child molesters.
How can we equate homosexuality with pedophilia? That’s ridiculous…we don’t assume that herterosexual men can’t be trusted with young girls, whatever the commenter in your post thinks. I had plenty of male camp counselors as a kid. I babysit my friend’s young son…should she worry about that because I’m a herterosexual and like men?
It seems like the folks who have the most ridiculous views about homosexuality haven’t ever met one…probably because their gay friends and family are terrified to come out to such a bigot.
How about sending a gay man off with a young girl?
“It seems like the folks who have the most ridiculous views about homosexuality haven’t ever met one…probably because their gay friends and family are terrified to come out to such a bigot”
that contradicts itself… they have never met one, but they have gay friends and just dont know it.. have they never met these friends?
all that aside. it doesnt sound like it to me, but thats irrelevant. what is relevant is that they are a private orginization that sets their own rules and membership criteria and they have every right to do so. what i have to wonder though, is why are they so eager to join a group that is ideologicaly opposed to their lifestyle instead of just starting their own?
WOW… hadn’t thought of it that way before… it is true that I wouldn’t send a man on an overnight wth your girls I suppose that I would not b happy about this eather, as much as it makes me feel a little predudice to say it, I have nothing against gay men… and possibly if there where always more thnone leader present… which actually is as it should be… a leader and a coleader…
SO I am going to go back and say this… I would have no probalem with the leader being gay s long as there is always ore then one person present… Of course two minutes fro now I could change my mind… My litle brain is full of cold medicine and I can’t believe I am still typing… OYE!
They’re not priests or anything.
Just because you’re gay, doesn’t make you a pedophile. Now, if they’re gay, Republican AND Catholic…well, that’s a whole different story.
I went back to your old entry because I remember commenting on it & I was thinking that would help me with my answer.
Then I remembered I deleted my old Xanga so therefore I can get no help from my old self.
My current self (which is very confused) would be sarcastic & say “put a nanny-cam on them if they’re so concerned”.
But in all seriousness- I still don’t know. Because, the gay people I know aren’t pervy or anything of the sort & I think the thought of a little boy would turn them off. But then again- do you want to put a gay guy in there thinking he’s like all the others (not a threat) but it just so happens you picked the one guy out of millions who is a pedophile? So, if gays aren’t allowed to counsel(or whatever) boys then straight men shouldn’t be allowed to counsel girls.
That sounds fair to me.
mmm, puts a whole new meaning to “starting a fire by rubbing two sticks together”.
I do not believe all gay men are pedophiles. I do not believe the Boy Scouts believe gay men are pedophiles either, they do not believe being Gay is being moral, and I don’t blame them. They have a right to run their organization how they see fit.
I agree with RdKingClassic03.
“I do not believe all gay men are pedophiles. I do not believe the Boy
Scouts believe gay men are pedophiles either, they do not believe
being Gay is being moral, and I don’t blame them. They have a right to
run their organization how they see fit.”
This furthers the long-standing and ill-founded stereotype, that all gay men are also pedophiles.
NO!! WRONG!! Fail.
Boy Scouts, so stupid…. and I can say that because Ben’s Dad just retired as scout leader.
ughh… gay guys, go work somewhere else…
boy scouts… shut the f*ck up.
issues like these exist just for the hell of it.
it’s like… some gay guy or some boy scout leader dude just wanted to stir up some conflict.
not all gay people are pedophiles but changing their opinions is wasted effort. mine as well not be a part of something that’s against you. aren’t there homo-friendly camps they can work at?
What if you sent a heterosexual woman with a bunch of boy scouts? Think she’ll molest them all? The truth is that any man, gay or straight, should be trained and carefully screened to prevent horrible people from getting near those boys and leading them in the first place. How do you know a man who says he’s straight isn’t actually both homosexual and a pedophile, anyway? If a man’s gay and open about it, I’d trust him far more, because he’s already putting himself under close watch from people who believe these stereotypes.
Since when does being gay make you a pedophile?? I didn’t think the men that molested little boys were typically gay.
This is such a dumb question. People need to grow up. Why are homophobes so full of themselves they think gay people want them more than straight people do? Is it any worse to send a boy on an overnight trip with a grown woman?
no, but it is equally unwise to send a girl on a trip with a hetero adult man.
I think so… not saying all gay men will touch the little boys – but shit – how do you know? How does a parent even trust ANYONE anymore with all of the stupid shit going on?
I don’t see the issue. There are women pack leaders, after all. It appears that everyone is saying that men will fuck anything, no matter how young it is.
Just because someone is gay doesn’t mean that they have sex with little boys. I’m heterosexual and I don’t have sex with little girls.
Plus there are plenty of scandals involving allegedly straight priests, teachers and other men molesting little boys. South Park did an episode once where Big Gay Al was removed as a Boy Scout leader and his “straight” replacement turned out to be a pedophile.
If you need to ask, the answer is probably no.
RdKingClassic03 has got it, I think.
I wouldn’t want my 10 year old girl to go camping with a 40 year old man. That would be creepy and wrong and I would never allow it. So yea…I wouldn’t want my 10 year old boy going camping with a gay man.
I also have to agree with RDKing. Boy Scouts are a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION!!!! Let them do whatever the frack they want. If you want to start an all-gay scouts program, then go do it. No Hetero’s allowed…YAY! Have fun. But Until ya do, the Boy Scouts have a right to do what they want without interference from the Government.
I hate the Government. Ughh.
Hell, if they cut my hair, they can manage the goddamn boy scouts.
It’s a private organization, but encouraging their bigotry is not a wise idea.
If I knew and trusted a man, I would certainly send him camping with a group of young girls (even my own daughters, if I had any!)
I see no reason why being homosexual automatically makes you a pedophile.
It sounds to me as if they are making a person guilty before any crime has been committed.
I suppose people have forgotten about the sexual crimes committed against children from heterosexual adults.
Recenlty, here in Michigan a heterosexual male who was a Big Brother mentor and another organization (something with teen youth hockey) is alleged of molesting some young males he was in contact/relationship with through these organizations….see my point? He went through all the screenings
is this seriously the 21st century?
PretendPrincess, your comment made me laugh so hard.
RdKingclassic03 makes a great point.
No, not all gay men are pedophiles, but Boy Scouts has to protect the welfare of the boys and protect themselves from lawsuits. The rule is an attempt to protect all parties. And as a veteran Girl Scout leader, I can say with authority that men are NEVER sent on overnight trips with the girls.
“Is it wise to send a boy on an overnight trip with a gay man?”
Only if it’s wise to send a girl on an overnight trip with a straight man.
I don’t know! today is my birthday!!!!
I was in Boy Scouts for a few months when I was younger — ashamedly — and achieved the rank of….tender foot.
But, both of my scout masters were closet homosexuals and would always sleep in the big tent together and to gay things at night. We could hear.
It’s just not wise, the same way sending a young girl on an overnight trip with an adult man isn’t wise. Neither the gay boy scout leader or the hetero man in question may be pedophiles, but it’s just not something I would allow my children to do.
Whatever potential problems could becaused by putting gay men in charge of younger boys, they are no greater than the problems possible from putting straight men in charge of younger girls, in fact considerably less, as gay people don’t get each other preggers. I wonder if that’s the reason that good ‘ol mother nature seems to have set gayness up as a secondary source of erotic fun ‘n games.
I worked as a youth minister for four years and still volunteer at a church while going to grad school. Although I never felt tempted to make any advances on some of the girls I worked with, I didn’t allow myself to be in situations where I was alone with one because it’s risky business in a lot of ways (people can misperceive it, a girl can make false accusations, etc.). By and large, I would think most gay men wouldn’t abuse the situation. However, I think it’s an unnecessary risk.
More importantly, the main issue in my opinion is that any private organization should be able to discriminate along lines they have decided on. I’m not in the NAACP or AARP, and I’m fine with that. People can cry about inequality and whatever else, but you’re just as free to start up your own club that keeps out WASPs or whatever else. QQ
Also I would question the frequent statement that “the Boy Scouts are a private organisation, and can do as they want.”
No they can’t, not whilst they are mandated according to traditions from their founders, publicise those traditions as being worthy of public support and applause, and use them to gain financial support – lower cost rent, tax breaks etc. Rather like churches in fact.
No. Now I’m sure that most gays are not child molesters or pedophiles or wahtever, but since homosexuality is, in fact, a sexual perversion, it’s not worth risking.
The boy scouts should have the right to keep anyone out of their organization they want, because they’re private. On the other hand, I’m glad they aren’t getting to rent major public facilities for a fucking dollar. I guess some people they should have equal rights in addition to special privileges.
But I’m sure they’re still fucking crying about it.
gay does not automatically equal pedophile…however, i hadn’t thought about sending a heterosexual man on an overnight trip with a group of girls. so in that sense, no, i would not send a gay man on an overnight trip with a group of boys.
I think it would be fine to send a group of young girls on a trip with a man (provided it was someone you trust) since if he’s a normal straight man he WON’T BE ATTRACTED TO LITTLE CHILDREN. It’s exactly the same with gays. Christ, paedophelia is a fetish and a disorder, not a goddamn sexual orientation.
What is unwise about a man with a group of girls? A woman with a group of boys isn’t unwise. This culture needs to get the fuck over its “all men = creepy child rapists” fixation. Because then they go around and bitch when fathers don’t want to take care of the kids. Well, you can’t have it both ways. Either it’s good to let men take care of kids or it isn’t. And I realise I’ve deviated from the question but I guess I got pissed off
People act like the gay community do not have any self control. >_<
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i think the question is more if the guy will influence the boys, rather than molest them
I know its not politically correct – but I would notsend my chil away with a gay man – even if its a relative. Nor would I let my child go off with someone of the opposite gender – there are too many scary things that could happen.
It should be mandatory.
People seem the think that a gay man is more likely to want to have sex with a young boy then a heterosexual woman. It’s bullshit. Gay people aren’t sick or deranged, they just have different sexual preferences. It’s discrimination against which they have no factual representation that states more crimes would be committed with a gay man present.
People act like the gay community do not have any self control. >_<
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12/2/2007 1:13 PM Innuendo__X
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Quoted for Truth.
Not all gay men are peds, but alot of gay men do recruit.
Yes.
Most of the people you have to watch out for are the older white straight men who do things, not gay men. I hardly hear of straight-out gay men causing problems in the pedophile area. It’s the “straight” men(i say “straight” because in the case of say, Michael Jackson, he’s straight, but accused of messing with little boys) who you usually hear about.
Just because they’re gay doesn’t mean they’re going to want any man or boy’s ass that walks by them- the same with straight men: they don’t all want every woman or girl that they see.
private organization, city is at fault. rdking said it best
I personally would feel more comfortable with a man who was openly gay, than an american beauty type militant closet dweller…but thats just me
Is it unwise to send a boy on an overnight trip with a gay man?
No.
Is it unwise to send a boy on an overnight trip with a pedophile?
Yes.
Does the one equal the other?
NO.
One of my dear friends is a homosexual male who happened to have gone all of the way through all of the ranks of the Boy Scouts. They are always asking him to come lead troops. He won’t because he knows they disagree with his lifestyle. What a shame for both of them. They are both losing out. However, it is within the Boy Scouts right to have such a policy. They do center themselves around Christian values.
Just becuz someone is gay or not doesn’t make them a pedophile. That is accussing them of a what if.
gay doesn’t equal pedophlia.
that would be like saying a male nurse is gay. also untrue.
The boy scouts don’t assume that all gay men are pedophiles. It is a moral issue for them. They’re a private organization and that’s why they can set the rules for what kind of people can be members.
“What if you sent a heterosexual woman with a bunch of boy scouts? Think she’ll molest them all? The truth is that any man, gay or straight, should be trained and carefully screened to prevent horrible people from getting near those boys and leading them in the first place. How do you know a man who says he’s straight isn’t actually both homosexual and a pedophile, anyway? If a man’s gay and open about it, I’d trust him far more, because he’s already putting himself under close watch from people who believe these stereotypes.”
I agree with this.
I also agree with the very frequent statement of gay does NOT necessarily equal pedophilia. Get over it.
Just because someone is gay DOES NOT mean that they are pedophiles.
Private organization…
Dangerous mix in semantics but I would feel uncomfortable having my son look to a gay man as a role model.
jeepers creepers. They both have a dingling. . .he (hypothetical gay leader) has already seen it before.
If he can’t restrain himself that much and must sexually abuse the kid. . .why then he has far more problems then just being gay–if gay even WERE a problem, which it’s not.
If all teens were homosexual, we wouldn’t have to worry to much about teen pregnancy, right?
We should be ENCOURAGING GAYNESS IN THEM AS KIDS instead of trying to make out being gay is bad from “All Amerircan” groups like Boy Scouts. . .but at least Philadelphia is trying to make a step in the right direction. But for every one of them. . .
I really don’t like the “gay = pedophile” conclusion that’s being drawn. I see no problem with gay men or women leading boy or girl scout troops. But for camping trips there should be multiple trusted adults around (no matter their sexual orientation) for safety reasons that have nothing to do with potential molestation.
of course not! everyone knows gay men love elementary school aged boys!
(actually most child molesters – even ones that assault children of the same gernder – are straight)
The government has no right to dictate how any privately run organization is run or what its rules are. That is something that our nation has lost site of.
That aside, as far as I know boy scouts require there to be at least two adult leaders present anytime they are not in plain sight. That seems like a very reasonable requirement to me.
I don’t see how either situation that you describe is any more dangerous than another but I also think that in the case of the children it is better safe than sorry so neither situation should be allowed.
I have something incredibly important to say. Something that’ll rock this post to the ends of the earth.
Alright, ready for it? Here’s the kicker:
The overwhelming majority of men who are pedophiles for young boys are completely otherwise heterosexual.
Behold, and be enlightened.
“The vast majority of offenders are heterosexual men. Male offenders
who abuse young boys maintain adult heterosexual relationships. The
habitual molester of boys is rarely attracted to adult males.” – Roland
Summit, M.D. Head Physician, Community Consultation Service, Harbor
UCLA Medical Center.
Link is here. http://www.gayxjw.org/homped.html
-David
Gay is not synonymous with pedophile. It is not even CLOSE to synonymous with pedophile.
Heterosexual men also molest young boys. It is a sexual fetish- you don’t have to be gay or straight to do it.
If I had a young girl, I would allow her to go camping with a trusted heterosexual male. If you don’t trust your scout leader, your kid shouldn’t be in scouts. That simple. It’s irresponsible to leave a child in the care of someone you don’t trust, regardless if it’s for an hour or overnight.
“Is it wise to send a boy on an overnight trip with a
gay man?”
Would it be more palatable to ask, “Is it wise to send a youngster on an
overnight trip with someone who may be sexually attracted to them?”If we look at the reworded question, then perhaps we can
skirt around the whole gay/straight issue and focus on the topic of providing a
safe environment for children.
Or another question could be, “Is it better to be
politically correct and take possible risks with your children’s safety?”
It’s true, since they’re a private organization they have the right to run it however they like. However I have the right to call them bigotted bastards and support the changing of their ways.
Having the right to do something just means the government can’t stop you, not that no one’s allowed to disagree with you. I have the right to give out nurse porn and fuzzy handcuffs as party favors at my grandma’s birthday. That doesn’t mean that anyone who has a problem with it is infringing on my rights.
Just like last time, those who don’t want to think past their bias’s are unable to even address the issue. Some say “pedophile” when no one is taking about pedophilia. A 30 year old man who finds 16 year old girls sexually appealing, is not a pedophile, he is a normal man. Normal men do not have sex with 16 year olds girls for reasons of morality and law. But they like the way they look and that is normal. For that reason heterosexual men are rarely left alone with such girls.
That is simply a fact, not addressing that fact, but instead bringing up the words “pedophile” and “bigotry” simply means deep down inside they know that they can not justify putting homosexual men in charge of physically mature but underage men.
Homosexual ≠ Pedophile.
End of story.
I don’t believe gays should be in charge of little boys, the same way I don’t think a man should take a group of little girls. There are just too many sickos in this world, and it’s a shame that we have to think this way.
this is ridiculous. being gay doesn’t automatically make you a pedophile.
WHAT THE HELL.
Homosexuality=pedophelia?
No, no, no!!
Would it be inappropriate to send an adult female chaperone? Hmmmm?
Didn’t think so.
It’s exactly the same.
Way to perpetuate a stupid assumption.
The fact that it’s 2007 and people are STILL making this ridiculous assumption makes me want to bang my head against my desk.
As other people have said, homosexual DOES NOT EQUAL pedophile. Good grief. Nor, really, are all adults who work with children potential child molesters.
Also, the Boy Scouts have the right to exclude homosexuals as a private organization, but if they do, they do not also have the right to rent public facilities for the special price. That would be governmental support of discrimination. (Not that that doesn’t happen a lot on the basis of sexual orientation, but it shouldn’t, and the government is in the right here).
not all gay men are pedifiles
Wow. That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Just because you’re gay doesn’t mean you’re a pedophile. I have a few gay friends, and they are nothing like that. The people in charge of the Boy Scouts are full of it, and they are just prejudiced against gays. I’m sure there are members of the Boy Scouts who are leaders *with sons in the organization*..AND gay…but they have to hide their lifestyle because if they get caught, they’ll get kicked out, and who knows how those people would treat the children of the men who are found out to be gay.
So I’m taking a Sexual Behaviors class this semester, and we JUST learned that the category of person MOST likely to molest young boys, is middle-aged, HETEROSEXUAL men.
Gay men make up only a minor proportion of young, boy molesters, but they’re often reported in the media b/c it’s a more sensational story with a more likely criminal.
Frankly, I wonder how many boys have been molested in the Boy Scouts by heterosexual men already… anyone have any data?
I wouldn’t put any one adult alone in charge of a group of young children out in the woods for weeks at a time unless I had complete trust in their morality and judgment. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. It’s just a better idea to have more than one person there so that everybody keeps everybody else honest and so that there are witnesses should something untoward happen. Plus it’s just way safer in general. And that has nothing to do with the likelihood or unlikelihood of molestation.
And if you do trust someone enough to give them that responsibility, whether or not they happen to be gay shouldn’t alter your trust. It just has nothing to do with it.
The Boy Scouts can do whatever they want of course, but in this they are just being silly. In a hundred years they will look back and won’t be able to believe that they once objected to such a thing.
As for the people saying that they wouldn’t leave a heterosexual man in charge of young girls (presumably under any circumstances), the obvious question to ask is whether it is likewise inappropriate to leave a heterosexual woman in charge of a group of young boys? I ask this question because I somewhat suspect that these objections are coming less from a bias against homosexuality and more from a bias against adult men. The presumption being that men, regardless of orientation, are likely to be more driven by their desires and act inappropriately as a consequence. I think that’s unfair.
“How can we equate homosexuality with pedophilia? That’s ridiculous…we don’t assume that herterosexual men can’t be trusted with young girls, whatever the commenter in your post thinks. I had plenty of male camp counselors as a kid. I babysit my friend’s young son…should she worry about that because I’m a herterosexual and like men? It seems like the folks who have the most ridiculous views about homosexuality haven’t ever met one…probably because their gay friends and family are terrified to come out to such a bigot” mama_jess
*Stands and applauds mama_jess*
I wholeheartedly agree!
Why take the risk?
Sexual orientation is not a factor. Really, it is not a factor when it comes to a child’s safety. Bad people come in all hues, etc. Run CORI checks for any adult working with children. Child(ren) should never be alone with one adult anyway (of any gender, or any sexual orientation, or any skin color, of any blood type). This is safety policy 101, adhered to by all school, churches, etc. There is no basis to be categorically fearful of such a huge population of good people who may have a lot to teach us.
No, It’s the same concept as the man with a group on young girls. Same concept, but not the same. I don’t really know how that whole thing works. But chances are that a gay man doesn’t look at a 12 year old and go. “I really want that boy to be in my ass.”
Even still, I wouldn’t put my kid in that troup.
Shouldn’t Gay men want to join the Girl Scouts?
Yes, that seems like a stereotype, but theoretically it should be justified. Being homosexual doesn’t automatically make one a pedophile, but the reality is that they have identified to everyone that the attraction to one’s own sex is there, and they have to live with the consequences of that decision. When I work with children, I usually get stuck with boys… not because I would be thinking malicious thoughts, but because I am a guy and it’s best to avoid the appearance of impropriety
people need to stop thinking that all homosexuals want to do is to rape people/little boys. they’re human too; they’re not animals.
I was proudly a girl scout, and it was a rule that our male leader was not allowed to go camping with us alone. He had to have a woman chaperone with him as well. I like that rule, temptation, if it WERE there, was not given opportunity. Unfortunately even those we think we know well enough to trust, prove they shouldn’t be trusted when temptation meets opportunity. Of course most gay men aren’t pedophiles, just as most straight men are not rapists, can you tell the difference? I am sorry if my overwhelming need to protect my children will stop them from participating in things. I assure you my daughter will not be taking any overnight trips with any heterosexual men without a woman chaperone. Even though the statistics may not be overwhelming, it still happens on both sides of the fence. I am not willing to take that chance of my child becoming a statistic.
I’d trust him more at this point, honestly, than sending a catholic priest on a trip with a bunch of little boys.
Being gay doesn’t make you a pedophile.
Most pedophiles don’t identify with being gay anyway, even when it’s men molesting young boys.
The assumptions here are all wrong, people.
I think the important thing to remember here is that when your children are going somewhere with ANYONE , you should do your best to KNOW AS MUCH ABOUT THAT PERSON AS POSSIBLE… I, as a parent, am not going to assume that anyone is “safe” to be around my children just because of their “position”, or their sexual preference.
Another thing is that an adult leader of a public course like boyscouts or church activities, etc. should NEVER be alone with one boy or girl in private– EVER. If this is ever the case, it should be known that they may then be terminated upon the prem. If every leader is properly screened (background checks, interviews, references) and there’s MORE THAN ONE man leading the trip together with the boys and neither man is left alone with one or two boys, I see nothing wrong with having a homosexual work side by side with a heterosexual or what have you. A straight man is just as likely to be a pedophile as the next guy– heterosexuality is not a ticket to the leadership game, they, too, must be subjected to all the background checks.
> Gays of both genders are NOT all child-molesters, but I think it sets the wrong precedent, in the same general way as the girl overnighter…. Even IF the molester-thing is true, then its not safe to allow an un-revealed lesbian to accompany girls…. You can’t have it both ways i.e. no to him and yes to her, It makes no sense. Young people do not need this sort of pressure from the gay community, AT ALL!! If, as an adult, the ex-child decides to shift teams/sides, that is and WILL remain an adult choice, whatever you closet homophobes believe or say…. And I hetero, Period!!
Peace to all except the morons, whatever your rainbow!!
No. Men and lesbians should not oversee little girls on overnight trips. Women and gay men should not oversee little boys on overnight trips.
Pedophilia is totally different than homosexuality.
Just because you are gay doesn’t mean you want to jump every person of the same gender… seriously.
Pedophiles can be hetero or homosexual… so by that logic, I’d say you’re safer sending the kids out by themselves.
geez…
Since when does being gay and being a pedophile go hand in hand? I know gay men that are just as normal as you or me. Those comments are coming from close-minded people who don’t care to know what people that are different from them are like. It is just plain old ignorance,
Good for them for being racist… in the meantime they allowed hetero people to be pedophiles and then they cry like sissies…
And the fact that some people 97% telling that gays equal to pedophile are just ignorant and stupid like Hugo Chavez… No wonder US is dumb.
Oh no! A gay man! Terrifying! Wait, what if they were BLACK gay men? What if they were black gay men, and one of them had a nose piercing? WHAT IF they were socialist, black, gay men!? We shouldn’t let anyone different near our children. I think we should homeschool them; keep them away from those filthy schools with those…”Other” people, where they might get blasphemous ideas.
Disgusting. Honestly? Just because a man is gay doesn’t mean he’s any more likely to be a pedophile, just the same as being black doesn’t make him any more likely to be a pedophile. I don’t understand how people can continue to say that being gay is immoral. Are these the same people who couldn’t accept black people living in their neighbourhoods? America has a long standing tradition of racism, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that they’d continue it with other forms of prejudice, but I am dissapointed that this is what they used to call “Land of the Free”.
I think it’s fine actually. A homosexual person is no more likely to be a pedophile than a heterosexual person.
I havn’t met one gay guy yet who liked boys, or was even charged with pedophile cases, much less sexual harassment or assault of any kind… their preferences always leaned towards MEN, willing men. Hence they went gay bar hopping instead of joining the catholic priesthood. XD
All of those featured comments offend me mightily. I would have nno problem letting a scout group be lead by gay men. homosexuality does not mean your going to be sexually obsessed, obsessed with all men and boys or in any way interested in young boys. Private organisation or not, they have no right to descriminate. Bets there wont even be any evidence for their claims.
Seems like too much assuming that every gay man wants to sleep with every other man or boy on the planet. There is no need to worry abotu a gay man being a pediophile any more than a straight man.
as it’s been said before- it’s a private organization- so deal with it.
if gays want, they can start their own version boy scouts- but somehow i doubt they’ll leave the original boy scouts alone cuz that’s how they are- they find a group or organization that makes them feel “discriminated” against and they fuss and whine and make a scene until something is done to shut them up.
and for the record- just because the Boy Scouts are refusing to bend their policy doesn’t mean they actually believe that every gay person is a pedophile- they’re not idiots and i should know- i have several uncles and cousins in that organization and to my knowledge they are of the most upstanding and respectable character.
i find it funny that some of the very people on here who are all up in arms about this were the very same people who were supportive of that bar that kicked out fat people. hmmm… sooo it’s ok for private organizations to discriminate against your size but not your sexuality?
yeah, because all homosexuals are f-ing peodophiles. Seriously people…
homosexual and pedophile are two very different things, MORONS.
let’s get this straight, people. as much as you would like to believe it, there are NOT gay men hiding under your sons’ beds waiting to spring and fulfil their pedophilic lust. encouraging bigotry=bad. they wouldn’t dare start a group excluding everyone but [insert race of choice here] for fear of being taken to court, so why should this be any different???
it is no different then sending boys on a camping trip with a straight woman
it’s ridiculous.
homosexual does not mean pedophile. although some homosexuals obviously are, so are many more heterosexuals.It’s wrong to discriminate based on orientation.
wat i hate is just people that hate on gay people. Saying its fine with me as long as they don’t touch me but just because I like a girl doesn’t mean as soon as I get a second alone with her i rape her. And in the same sense even if the gay man thinks a younger boy is attractive I am sure he is aware that he doesn’t need to do or say anything about it. Just because someone likes someone they don’t have 2 rape them or nething
Most gays are not pedophiles, but most pedophiles are gay. That’s a fact.
Being gay is not the same thing as a being a child molester. Not all gays are pedophiles and not all pedophiles are gay. Many married men with families molest children (boys and girls).
I think what parents are really fear is some bizarre notion that homosexuals are out to convert their kids. Personally, I am more worried about my son being mowed down with guns by some upper middle class white kid with two hardworking parents than the male teacher’s assistant in my son’s classroom.