His job is to lead the Church.

“et ego dico tibi quia tu es Petrus et super hanc petram aedificabo ecclesiam meam et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversum eam”

//The head of this branch of the Roman Catholic church used to be Cardinal Ratzinger, who is now the pope.  In other words, the current pope was the head of the organization that used to be in charge of the inquisition!//

And…?

//What is the pope?  A self appointed ruler claiming the to be God’s representative on earth.  Yes, self appointed.  The bishop of Rome did not start making claims to be descended of Peter until the 3rd or 4th century, and especially when the capital of the Roman empire was moved to Constantinople.  //

False.

“The church of God which sojourns at Rome to the church of God which sojourns at Corinth … But if any disobey the words spoken by him through us, let them know that they will involve themselves in transgression and in no small danger.” Clement of Rome, Pope, 1st Epistle to the Corinthians, 1,59:1 (c. A.D. 96).

“Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which has obtained mercy, through the majesty of the Mast High God the Father, and of Jesus Christ, His only-begotten Son; the Church which is sanctified and enlightened by the will of God, who farmed all things that are according to the faith and love of Jesus Christ, our God and Saviour; the Church which presides in the place of the region of the Romans, and which is worthy of God, worthy of honour, worthy of the highest happiness, worthy of praise, worthy of credit, worthy of being deemed holy, and which presides over love…” Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Romans, Prologue (A.D. 110).

“There is extant also another epistle written by Dionysius to the Romans, and addressed to Soter, who was bishop at that time. We cannot do better than to subjoin some passages from this epistle…In this same epistle he makes mention also of Clement’s epistle to the Corinthians, showing that it had been the custom from the beginning to read it in the church. His words are as follows: To-day we have passed the Lord’s holy day, in which we have read your epistle. From it, whenever we read it, we shall always be able to draw advice, as also from the former epistle, which was written to us through Clement.’ Dionysius of Corinth, To Pope Soter (A.D. 171).

“Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre- eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolical tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:3:2 (A.D. 180).

“A question of no small importance arose at that time. For the parishes of all Asia, as from an older tradition, held that the fourteenth day of the moon, on which day the Jews were commanded to sacrifice the lamb, should be observed as the feast of the Saviour’s Passover. It was therefore necessary to end their fast on that day, whatever day of the week it should happen to be. But it was not the custom of the churches in the rest of the world to end it at this time, as they observed the practice which, from apostolic tradition, has prevailed to the present time, of terminating the fast on no other day than on that of the resurrection of our Saviour…Thereupon Victor, who presided over the church at Rome, immediately attempted to cut off from the common unity the parishes of all Asia, with the churches that agreed with them, as heterodox; and he wrote letters and declared all the brethren there wholly excommunicated.” Pope Victor & Easter (c. A.D. 195).

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These are all statements made BEFORE the 3rd century regarding the primacy of the Holy See in Rome.

Now, we have the following -

I do not, as Peter and Paul, issue commandments unto you.” Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Romans, 4 (c. A.D. 110).

‘You have thus by such an admonition bound together the plantings of Peter and Paul at Rome and Corinth.” Dionysius of Corinth, Epistle to Pope Soter, fragment in Eusebius’ Church History, II:25 (c. A.D. 178).

“Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:1:1 (c. A.D. 180).

“As Peter had preached the Word publicly at Rome, and declared the Gospel by the Spirit, many who were present requested that Mark, who had followed him for a long time and remembered his sayings, should write them out.” Clement of Alexandria, fragment in Eusebius Church History, VI:14,6 (A.D. 190)

“It is, therefore, recorded that Paul was beheaded in Rome itself, and that Peter likewise was crucified under Nero. This account of Peter and Paul is substantiated by the fact that their names are preserved in the cemeteries of that place even to the present day. It is confirmed likewise by Caius, a member of the Church, who arose under Zephyrinus, bishop of Rome. He, in a published disputation with Proclus, the leader of the Phrygian heresy, speaks as follows concerning the places where the sacred corpses of the aforesaid apostles are laid: ‘But I can show the trophies of the apostles. For if you will go to the Vatican or to the Ostian way, you will find the trophies of those who laid the foundations of this church.’” Gaius, fragment in Eusebius’ Church History, 2:25 (A.D. 198).

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Those accounts describe the establishment of the head in Rome.

Your claim that the Papacy didn’t declare supremacy is demonstratably false.

//The word ‘pontiff’ is actually a Pagan roman title for the head of the pagan religions. //

Pagan Influence Fallacy. The days of the week are named primarily after Roman and Nordic pagan Gods. Must we trash those?

// Innocent the third, who was hardly innocent, began the inquisition and claimed that to be saved you must obey the pope, a doctrine still held by the papacy to this day.  The inquisition lasted over 600 years and some estimate up to 50 million Jews, Muslims, Protestants, and other “heretics” were tortured and/or slaughtered for not obeying the pope. //

The Spanish Inquisition is considered the most “violent” of the Inquisitions. Of the roughly 44,000 trials carried out, 1.8% resulted in executions – which meant 800 people died in the Spanish Inquisition.

Of the entire history of the Inquisition, 150,000 trials were processed, with 3000 to 5000 death sentences handed out. Far from 50 million.

Had 50 million people died as JabezPrayer falsely suggested, it would have made a serious impact that would have been present not just in the population demographics but in literature and the arts as well. For instance, we see much literature and the arts devoted to and describing the effects of the Black Plague. We see very little, in comparison, dealing with the Inquisition.

//Yet few today realize that the roman church has never really said anything about it being wrong, because the popes are supposed to be infallable, and of course the inquisition was supported by the popes.//

Do you know what papal infallibility is?

//The Bible says that we are to obey God, and not men.//

And the Apostles taught, as well. Should we ignore their teachings too? They are men.

//To believe that you are the one human being on earth currently alive closest to god is to be completely insane.//

Yes, it’s insane. Thankfully, that’s not what the Pope is about.

//Your claim that the Papacy didn’t declare supremacy is demonstratably false.//

Correction – that the Papacy didn’t declare supremacy before the 3rd-4th centuries.

//we already know he is “cold” he was a member of the Nazi party. I dont care what people say to defend him, he didnt HAVE to be a member. Many people refused. He also actually was an officer, If I remember correctly. What do people expect? //

Ahhh, the joys of ignorance.

The Pope was registered with Hitler Youth, which was LEGALLY REQUIRED at the time. He also refused to attend the meetings. Furthermore, his cousin was killed at Nazi hands, and he himself was influenced by his father who was a staunch anti-Nazi, believing it conflicted with the Catholic faith. He was drafted into the German AAA but fell ill and was offduty until he finally deserted his post.

//TAUGHT is the key word. they taught. however, they did not claim to be infallible and command people to do what they say. They did not claim that God spoke through them. //

The Popes don’t claim that God speaks through them. Are you aware of what papal infallibility is?

//As Christians, we should follow the Bible, which is God’s word. We should not follow a man. I have asked a couple different catholics where the reference to a “pope” is in the Bible, and i still dont know. Also, of all the quotes you used to prove your point, not one of them was from the Bible. There are alot of questions i have about the catholic religion, but i wont pose them now. and if you reply, try to disprove me with Bible quotes because i wont consider anything a man has said.//

Easy enough.

First, prove that only the Bible is sufficient.

Second, please read Matthew 16:18-19, especially in light of Isaiah 22:15-22.

For more information, see this link –

http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/peter.html