December 17, 2007
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War on God
Tony Snow, former White House press secretary, gave a talk the other day claiming there is a War on God in our country.
Tony Snow said, “‘The average Iranian is more Pro-American than virtually any college faculty in this country.’” And with serious talk about the war on terror and ‘the second war in this country, the war on God.” Here is the link: Link
Do you think there is a “War on God” in our country?
Comments (119)
Just a war on basic intelligence
Like I said before– I hope it’s more effective than the wars on crime, drugs, and terror.
In a sense, yes. In another sense, it is just plain denial. When we teach God doesn’t exist, morals have no basis and they soon collapse.
No. u.u
There is a war of doctrine and faith and religious freedom in every country. God is simply the bystander.
’nuff said…
I agree with IssyMae.
I don’t know about a war, but there’s definitely been a lot of books on atheism coming out lately. It seems like a lot of people out there are trying really hard to disprove the exsistence of God.
There’s only a war on those who war on those of us who don’t have some kind of Jesus, God, or saint in their xanga names or have a cross hanging over our doors.
Er…no?
no! Nobody is trying to get rid of god, just separate God from matters of state. BS like this is just another in a long string of scare tactics used by the Bush administration and its allies.
“‘The average Iranian is more Pro-American than virtually any college faculty in this country.’”
OK. Now I hate Tony Snow. I didn’t realize before that he was not only stupid but just plain evil.
A war no, hostility from the secular elect, yes.
And Snow is so right about the USA being more popular in Iran than among college faculty
would god still be on our side?
BTW, Tony Snow is a spin artist. Of course he’s going to make the Iranians look good. But he’s crock full of shit on this one.
’nuff said…
I do not believe there is a war on God, but rather a lack of parents teaching their children morals.
No way, I think guys who look like Jesus are really sexually attractive hipsters.
On God, no. (Post)Modern society encourages a vague thing called ‘spirituality,’ and belief in an equally vague and rather insubstantial Higher Power is perfectly acceptable in this culture. Talking about God is okay. Talk about Jesus, though, and you’re sure to offend–but I still wouldn’t call it a ‘war.’
No, I am not aware of mass anti-god happenings.
Then again, I am pretty sheltered, going to a Catholic school and all that good stuff.
Wasn’t Tony Snow the White House spokesperson at one point?
the word ‘war’ is a little extreme, but i do think that everything seems to be anti-God these days. even when you’re just separating the religious from the secular…well, that’s rejecting God, isn’t it?
There’s a war on everything, these days.
RYC: Hahaha. I know, right? Ben is intense.
Wait… no he was the Press secretary, eh, I wasn’t far off.
A war on God? Was that on TV?
I missed it.
Yes
How can you wage a war on something that doesn’t exist?
I totally sound like a comment-baiter, don’t I?
Yes. Definitely!!
How can you wage a war on something that doesn’t exist?
I totally sound like a comment-baiter, don’t I?
How can you wage a war on something that doesn’t exist?
I totally sound like a comment-baiter, don’t I?
Sorry for the multiple posts, something happened to my network.
There’s ALWAYS been a war on God and there always will be till He send Christ back to take care of the rest of the business. He came to serve and save the first time, next time it’s to judge and condemn. No spin doctor who has ever lived or will live will spin their way out of it. They’ll be left spinning in terror and gnashing of teeth
there definitely is a war on God; not just in this country, but in most Westernized countries. it’s reflected in the increase in the ’politically-correct’ rise of things like media overexposure of homosexuals(I have many gay friends,so don’t think I’m gay-bashing…loving those who sin doesn’t mean their lifestyle is right). we also have this new spike in programs that showcase those with psychic abilities. it’s teaching people that it’s okay to dabble in things that are explicitly against God’s word…
we’re just becoming desensitized to sin and hardened toward what our nation was founded on…
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gina
Of course there is, is everywhere and has been since Adam and Eve sinned – there’s a war going on that we can’t see all the time, and it affects the world we live in, including America. It’s just which side happens to be more vocal at the moment.
yes, there is a war on God.
(there has been for at least 2,000+ years)
What a strange preposition to use. Shouldn’t it be “against”? Unless Snow is indicating that God is the battlefield where the war is fought. If that’s the case, then yes. This war has been fought for as long as mankind has existed and will continue until the end of mankind’s existence.
Yes!
metaphorically, yes!
Absolutely. We need to be politically correct in every way to not offend or discriminate against anyone – except those who believe in God. We’re not allowed to do anything to show our religion publicly.
Quite frankly if you are openly Christian, and don’t except evolution as being a proven fact then you are considered to be stupid and ignorant by 95 percent of the scientific establishment.
They (like evangelicals) belive that they have a cornerstone on what truth is. And if you disagree with them it’s your failing.
Yes, fortunately.
“In a sense, yes. In another sense, it is just plain denial. When we
teach God doesn’t exist, morals have no basis and they soon collapse.”
Well, if the only basis for morality were God, there would be no reason for them, seeing as God is made up. But they do have a basis – and that is human life’s need for them.
Likewise if you are a Muslim you are automatically considered to be a jihadist. That’s pretty racist, isn’t it?
Then if you are openly a Jew you are considered to be a Zionist. Or like in Lieberman’s case a republican Operative.
What really keeps me steamed is every one of these jerks who hears that I don’t believe in evolution assumes that I’m a six-day-creationist.
Now that’s ignorance!
It’s like you have to choose one or the other with these fanatics and if you don’t choose my team the you’re ignorant and don’t know what you’re talking about.
JERKS!!!
Sorry didn’t mean to do all that Ranting.
Fanatics just bug me.
I can only hope.
After all, it’s time we started using our brains, rather than our supposed “faith” to provide rationale for existence.
some making up wars that don’t exist
Well it looks as though Drakonskyr has proven my point rather well!
Absolutely. Even if the war is based off of figments of imagination.
Religion is what divides our people and forces us to sacrifice great friends we may have (not to mention logic but I won’t even get started there).
It’s sad, really.
I’ll befriend Christians but they aren’t too keen on befriending a big ol’ lesbo deist.
God forbid.
But how do we divide the oil fields in Heaven?
There is spiritual warfare in the world and good vs. evil. But the bible clearly says that God will win in the end, so I’m glad I’m on HIS team!
Those who comment in the negative range, I have to wonder if they have studied and come up with an answer, or if they are just shooting from the hip and hoping to hit their target? Anyone reading the news, watching the news, studying people, etc…can tell that there is, and always will be, a “war against God”. People tend to think they are acting, or saying things, on their own, but in reality they are being controlled. Sometimes, it is subtle, other times, it is pretty blatant.
no.
Well, seeing as how it’s pretty damn hard to have a war against a concept and/or abstract, I’d have to say NO.
People are just getting a clue and shaking off oppressive religions.
No more wars on things that aren’t tangible, please.
No more war on drugs, terror, Christmas, whatever. Just stop it. It isn’t indicative of a “culture war” … it’s just another shallowly concealed political vehicle.
Anyway, as an atheist (and I would guess we’re the biggest offenders in this apparent “war on God”) I tend to find that fighting against something that doesn’t exist is a waste of my time.
HEY EVERYONE LET’S STAR A WAR ON “THE WAR ON [AMBIGUOUS ABSTRACT NOUNS]!”
“I can only hope.
After all, it’s time we started using our brains, rather than our supposed “faith” to provide rationale for existence.”
-DMV
Well-said and agreed.
Sure.. ’cause I agree with hum__hallelujah .
Tony Snow worked for FOX News before he went to work for the White House.
There is as much of a War on God in this country as there is a War on Christmas.
Which is to say: None.
Atheism has become a fad, just as bisexuality and homosexuality have become fads.
Darko…you have no idea what you’re talking about.
I think Tony Snow has been reading too much Golden Compass, lol.
Besides, what does being ‘Pro-American’ EVER have to do with being pro-God??
Wrong preposition. Not a war “on” God but “against” Him…since time immemorial.
“In a sense, yes. In another sense, it is just plain denial. When we
teach God doesn’t exist, morals have no basis and they soon collapse.”
Thank you for calling me and anyone else who thinks like me a person lacking morals. I really need to remember that only in God can I find how I should act, what behaviors or acceptable and what will not gain God’s favor.
Moving on, is he saying that because most colleges in this country are a little more “Open-minded” and “liberal” then that makes them “Anti-American”? That’s amazing. I thought education was one of the foundations of our country, not god.
There are inflamatory rhetoric and emotional friction in this culture war of ours. But there is no war, at least in the sense propounded by Mr. Snow.
‘”ll befriend Christians but”
Get real if you don’ have any Christens friends, as common as christens are, you simply don’t want then around. You have made it very clear you are a hateful bigot.
BecauseIamDonnieDarko
Atheism has become a fad, just as bisexuality and homosexuality have become fads.
It sounds as if you’re in deinal.
“I thought education was one of the foundations of our country, not god.”
You might try a little of that education thing. the founding fathers wrote a lot. Read some of it. Education is not talked about much, but God is . Education was never a cornerstone of the USA. Education is important, but it had little to do with what this nation was founded on.
You asked, Do you think there is a “War on God” in our country?
Consider this passage from Romans: “Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.” (Romans 5:9-10)
So you can see, without making this a theological treatise, that all humans are at war with God. The only way to end the war is to surrender and make with with God through Jesus Christ.
If you accept the idea that we are becoming more secular in the name of “tolerance”, then if wouldn’t be a stretch to say that our country is at war with God. You can’t win a war against God. Surrender now.
One last thought, “The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God,”” (Psalm 53:1)
try this: ” The only way to end the war is to surrender and make peace with God through Jesus Christ.
“You might try a little of that education thing. the founding fathers
wrote a lot. Read some of it. Education is not talked about much, but
God is . Education was never a cornerstone of the USA. Education is
important, but it had little to do with what this nation was founded on.”
Oh no, do not tell me I need education when you say that this country is founded on god. That shows levels of ignorance that make me want to puke.
Let’s start from the beginning. What is the foundation of this country? I’m sure most people know the answer: The Constitution. Perfect. Now if this was a nation founded by god, I’m sure there would be many passages explaining that it’s because of him we have these certain laws.
But wait… god’s name is not anywhere in the Constitution. In fact, nothing relating to him or any religion is mentioned except about the government cannot favor or disapprove of any religion. Amazing. A country, founded under and for god, does not mention him at all in it’s own foundation document.
nidan
Quite frankly if you are openly Christian, and don’t except evolution as being a proven fact then you are considered to be stupid and ignorant by 95 percent of the scientific establishment. They (like evangelicals) belive that they have a cornerstone on what truth is. And if you disagree with them it’s your failing.
Totally! Them silly physicists, who are they to tell us that the Earth’s round? How dare they impress upon us the sun-centered model! Those biologists have to be wrong about Evolution too, right?!
I mean come on! Look at their track records?!
“It sounds as if you’re in deinal.”
Unfortunately, he’s pretty much right. I’ve seen many people in school declare they are gay, when it’s pretty obvious that they probably are not.
Not so sure about the Atheism bit, but the part about Homosexuality becoming a fad has some evidence to support it
no not at all. there is a desire in the academic community to have sound facts and to use logical reasoning. i make no claims to the scientific community since i am only a bystander to their work but within the humanities there is no desire to disprove god. instead there is a desire to not use “god created it” as the final stage of knowledge.
Thank you for calling me and anyone else who thinks like me a person lacking morals. I really need to remember that only in God can I find how I should act, what behaviors or acceptable and what will not gain God’s favor. ryoma136
Thanks for thinking through my comment and sharing your thoughts. I wasn’t intending to say that you have no morals… i was saying that without some form of higher power to set an absolute standard, there is no foundation for a morals. I’m sure you’re a moral person, but without God there is so standard for morality. Without an absolute standard, everything becomes relative. What you think is moral, someone else might think is immoral. You are both on equal footing. Who is right? Without an absolute standard, what do you base that decision upon?
It would be a pretty silly war when over 80% of Americans believe in a God of some sort.
Unless, of course, the vast majorities of Americans turn out to be masochistic little theists.
“Thanks for thinking through my comment and sharing your thoughts. I
wasn’t intending to say that you have no morals… i was saying that
without some form of higher power to set an absolute standard, there is
no foundation for a morals. I’m sure you’re a moral person, but without
God there is so standard for morality. Without an absolute standard,
everything becomes relative. What you think is moral, someone else
might think is immoral. You are both on equal footing. Who is right?
Without an absolute standard, what do you base that decision upon?”
Even with god then there is no absolute standard; god is very relative.
I’m sorry, but I just don’t understand your point of view.
cotarobra
If you accept the idea that we are becoming more secular in the name of “tolerance”, then if wouldn’t be a stretch to say that our country is at war with God. You can’t win a war against God. Surrender now.
No one is focing you, I, or anyone else to act “secular” in the public square. What we do have, however, is a secular government. There is a seperation between Church and State and a divorce of any religious bias in our country’s policy-making.
If, what you’re calling for, is some sort of a Christian theocracy. Then realize, that the noise you’re hearing now is that of our founding fathers quivering in their graves.
Education is not talked about much, but God is. Education was never a cornerstone of the USA. Education is important,
but it had little to do with what this nation was founded on.
Posted by trunthepaige
America was NOT founded on Christianity, the concept of God “being in charge,” and other bullshit like that. Seriously, have you read the Constitution? There’s this thing called separation of church and state. I’d take education over church any day, and I’m sure lots of people would agree with me.
Even with god then there is no absolute standard; god is very relative. ryoma136
If you are referring to the God of the Bible (that’s who I was referring to in my statement) can you explain yourself? Perhaps giving me an example of God being relative would help me understand. Thanks.
“THIS IS KWAANZAAA!!!”
IssyMae
i was saying that without some form of higher power to set an absolute standard, there is no foundation for a morals.
Murder is wrong. All societies, even non-Western ones, have come to this conclusion. God, Christian morality, nor the Bible was necessary for this.
I’m sure you’re a moral person, but without God there is so standard for morality.
Yes there is. Humans have a common sense of empathy and the ability to reason. From these groundworks our moral and philosophical traditions have developed. Any morality found in the Bible could be found in a different form from a non-Christian sorce. The only difference is that we don’t necessarily have an invisible friend to talk with.
Without an absolute standard, everything becomes relative. What you think is moral, someone else might think is immoral.
Then you’re telling me, that if God tells me to kill my entire family tonight, with my water gun; I’m suddenly morally obligated to commit murder? If God tells me to bomb an abortion clinic or to hate gays, I have to?
You are both on equal footing. Who is right? Without an absolute standard, what do you base that decision upon?
If an atheist gets into an argument with a Christian, who is right? What absolute standard do they have to resolve their disputes. Oh, that’s right. Christians have that heavy book with which to bonk their secular friends over the head.
Christians are in the exact same boat as atheists and agnostics when it comes to determining and deciding on moral codes. The only difference is that Christians believe their moral code to be divinely inspired, and, magically, somehow more correct. Secular systems of ehtics exist. Ideas of Utilitairnism have been furthered by Mill and Bentham. Kant proposed a Categorical Imperative system of morales. Each of the secular philosophies have their own arguments and reasons for their seperate correctness.
So, if no godly basis for decision making, how do we sort things out? Easy. We use reason.
actually to the comment that education didn’t feature much in the founding of the nation i strongly disagree.
there is not a snowballs chance in hell that the founding fathers could have written what they wrote without being immensely educated. the majority of them were wealthy intellectuals who studied and published on their studies. the majority of studies done by intellectuals up until a certain point were obligated by social constraints to credit god frequently. so basically yes god figures in the writings of the founding fathers the way it figures in the writings of other contemporary intellecturals in other westernized nations. but at the same time the ability to think philisophically (etc) on that level required education.
now really i think the problem with this idea is that education does not need to be acquired in the way we think of education today. education usually consisted of reading and discourse not necessarily a school. within that definition this discussion could (very) loosely be called educational.
I actually do have Christian friends, Paige. I have alot. I did once
attend church and youth group meetings. In fact, my best friend is very
devout Christian boy. But my Christian friends aren’t bigoted
Christians. They love people as people; not as a group who follow a
certain set of doctrines.
(Besides, I said “I’ll” which means “I will” which means “I am willing”. “not unwilling.”)
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Oh, to quote what I retaliated to:
“
‘”ll befriend Christians but”
Get
real if you don’ have any Christens friends, as common as christens
are, you simply don’t want then around. You have made it very clear you
are a hateful bigot.”
-Trunthepaige
Murder is wrong. All societies, even non-Western ones, have come to this conclusion. God, Christian morality, nor the Bible was necessary for this.
If this is the case, why do people still murder and have no qualms about doing it? I have a friend who lives in a tribe in Paupa New Guinea. It is totally acceptable to kill people from other tribes. Up until a few years ago, it was also expected for the father of twins to kill the 2nd born. That is their form of morality. In their mind, it is expected and totally moral to murder.
Humans have a common sense of empathy and the ability to reason.
How did humans get this common sense of empathy and the ability to reason? It just arrived one day?
Then you’re telling me, that if God tells me to kill my entire family tonight, with my water gun; I’m suddenly morally obligated to commit murder? If God tells me to bomb an abortion clinic or to hate gays, I have to?
Nope. God would never tell you to do that because God can not contradict Himself. It is against His nature.
Christians have that heavy book with which to bonk their secular friends over the head.
Interesting to note, that I haven’t quoted one Bible verse to you in this whole discussion. I appreciate this discussion and if you would like to continue, I’d love to move this to my xanga so we don’t bog down Dan’s comments. I’m always open to a good respectful discussion.
IssyMae
If this is the case, why do people still murder and have no qualms about doing it?
Morality exists whether of Christian origins or not. Morality is the individual’s differentiation between right and wrong. While we may recognize wrong when we see it, but that doesn’t prevent us from doing wrong. Also, I would like to point out that our prison systems are filled by felons even more Christian, percentage-wise, than the general population.
I have a friend who lives in a tribe in Paupa New Guinea. It is totally acceptable to kill people from other tribes.
This is the exact sort of moraity furthered by the passages and stories of the Old Testament.
How did humans get this common sense of empathy and the ability to reason? It just arrived one day?
The same way we got opposable thumbs: Evolution.
Nope. God would never tell you to do that because God can not contradict Himself. It is against His nature.
Double-think. (Also, he did have an iffy track record in the OT)
Interesting to note, that I haven’t quoted one Bible verse to you in this whole discussion. I appreciate this discussion and if you would like to continue, I’d love to move this to my xanga so we don’t bog down Dan’s comments. I’m always open to a good respectful discussion.
Ha, we have conflicting posting philosophies. =P
Yes, I would be more open to a more serious, focused discussion. Even as I joke and prod (with cynicsm and sarcasm), there is an embedded argument somewhere in there. Of the quoted “Christians have that heavy book with which to bonk their secular friends over the head.” I did bother to explain myself the next paragraph down. =)
I think God will be ok – hes God.. i am more worried about humanity and its value system and obedience or disobedience to God, making chaos out of order.
Daniel (doubledb)
IssyMae, read some Ayn Rand, or any other secular libertarian/anarcho-capitalist philosopher. You’re dead wrong on secular ethics having no basis; instead, I argue that secular ethics are the only systems of ethics which have a factual basis.
more of a war on varying belief systems
Also, on the Christian friends issue…
I honestly don’t get along very well with most Christians. It’s not hard to see why, but they tend to eschew Christly love in favor of getting the hell away from someone who questions their beliefs.
IssyMae put it best.
I agree
with Tallon. I am a firm believer that there is no god. I have my own personal
reasoning for that, that I don’t think needs explaining. But this
country unfortunately was founded with an amendment that says religion and
state should be separate and yet we have politicians that talk about religion.
Politics and religion should have nothing to do with each other; the only
reason why any of them talk about it is so they get the votes from the people
of the same or similar religion they are.
IssyMae“Thanks for thinking through my comment and sharing your thoughts. I
wasn’t intending to say that you have no morals… i was saying that
without some form of higher power to set an absolute standard, there is
no foundation for a morals. I’m sure you’re a moral person, but without
God there is so standard for morality. Without an absolute standard,
everything becomes relative. What you think is moral, someone else
might think is immoral. You are both on equal footing. Who is right?
Without an absolute standard, what do you base that decision upon?”
There are problems with this. You addressed one of them already in your next post. “If you are referring to the God of the Bible (that’s who I was referring to in my statement) can you explain yourself?” Thus, simply believing in a different religion can have the result of a different set of morals for two individuals. And if both are convinced there religion is correct, there is no real solution to the problem then. Thus you have the basis for religious wars and the deaths of many, many people on both sides both convinced they were morally correct.
You can go further with this and just dissect the Christian religion itself. Christianity has to base its moral system on writings that were written a very,very long time ago under much different circumstances and many different cultures. Letters to the different churches at the time have somewhat different moral answers based on the region of the church addressed and what the circumstances were. So how can you establish a concrete moral system based on that alone? Maybe you really on God’s voice? That starts to become even more abstract and harder to pinpoint. Some people are honestly convinced God told them to do some very bad things, thus basically making them morally correct. Does that make them right or just crazy?
Basing one’s moral system completely on the concept of God establishing an absolute moral code can become a dangerous idea, since logic and reason can be ignored if one is convinced that God wants them to do something that could be considered by the majority of observers to be immoral behavior.
There are plenty of smart Christians I know that believe in both God and the existence of a objective moral standard not dependent on God, but supported and reinforced by their religious views.
I hate writing out a post and realizing I’m like 4 posts behind.
The wisest thing said so far in this entire thread:
huginn
“So, if no godly basis for decision making, how do we sort things out? Easy. We use reason.”
I think that the extremists on the fundamental religious and the secularists get all the media attention. I think that’s why the religious feel there is a war on god and the secularists feel there is a war on them. I personally feel that people need to stop trying to bring religion (especially Christianity) into our legislative system. They have the same tiring arguments that the founding fathers wanted it that way. They didn’t! Yes, God is mentioned in the constitution but that doesn’t mean they wanted a theocracy. But the problem is the evangelicals live for zeal. They feel that’s what Christ taught. They feel that they are being bold by trying to shove the gospel down everyone’s throat. It’s really just annoying and non-effective. At the same time however…I am so so SICK of having to call everything a holiday party and have to be so careful that I can’t even speak of religion without fearing the extreme secularists. IF we could all just keep out beliefs to ourselves and have them be personal then I think this country would be better off. There is 0 respect for anyone because we all spend too much Goddamned time being offended.
that war begins inside me. it is not easy to do the right thing. I am not always kind, or good. I often feel bad, about silly things.
When I can LIVE God; and have a family where each of us can do this…..we can begin to multiply. Im trying; working on it.
Some rage on; YES. And God NEEDS me! and you, etc. But not to preach WORDS. To be love. then the words come well.
Wait, what do being pro-American and having a “war on God” have to do with one another??
The best part is that by “war on God” he probably simply means “war on MY Christian God.” Because God forbid (sorry, pun) that anyone ever believe anything other than what the Big Old White Men of the US believe. *rolls eyes*
“
Education was never a cornerstone of the USA. Education is important,
but it had little to do with what this nation was founded on.”
Um, what? Are you serious? How in the world would the US be anything close to what it is today without highly educated people leading it? How can you even say such an ignorant thing?
Ok people, see it goes like this: Our founding fathers actually founded this country with the principle of FREEDOM OF RELIGION. They did this to PROTECT God, so that no one would ever be forced to believe in something they didn’t want to believe (as they themselves had seen done in England earlier).
So you see, you can believe in any God you choose– a Christian God, or Mormon God, or even then Flying Spaghetti Monster. The only thing we ask is that you don’t shove your version of God in anyone’s face that doesn’t want to believe in that same God. In exchange, we will do the same for you– we won’t force you to believe in a different God or give up your God if you don’t want to. We’re all free to believe whatever we choose.
WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND???
(last comment, I swear) On the whole subject of morals and how without God there would be no “standard” for morals… that argument kinda goes down the drain when you look at how every Christian denomination and even every Christian person has different moral standards and views on what is or isn’t moral.
i didn’t know we were all Christians.
WE have apathy from sympathy. If you weren’t observant enough then i guess you wouldn’t be sympathetic. People who kill ie. tribes.. are people doing it for their RELIGIOn.
All i have to say is, you people who argue on whether or not God exists, speak for yourself. I don’t know why you people even bother arguing about it when it doesn’t help anything it just causes more shit. It’s like arguing the right pronunciation of tomato.
Can we just say we have our own perspectives? Why does it even matter… do you people feel more dominant or something? More prideful for defeating the other? People get killed just because of these idiotic arguments. The past is studied for a reason, so you will learn to NOT do it again. gosh.. and i’m so freaking tired of reading about god vs. everything ..
Absolutely Merry CHRISTmas
No. (*rolls eyes*)
Considering the heat in the above comments from all sides, I’d say if there’s no war, there’s a least a serious disagreement! By the way, God has already won. The losers just don’t realize it yet. I truly pity them because they have so missed the point.
There is definitely something morally wrong with how many American’s look at God, Christianity & those of us who stand up for what is morally right & wrong.
“If all truth is relative then lies shouldn’t hurt you & deceit shouldn’t bother you.”
- Carlos Hernandez
Before you were even a thought, conceived & drew your first breath…CHRIST made a way for all sinners.
Merry CHRIST-mas
Though I don’t agree with hello_insanity’s atheism, I appreciate her rationality in saying “that fighting against something that doesn’t exist is a waste of my time.”
Concerning a war against God, I do believe this war exists. Generally I believe it is waged by those who try to be atheists, but are not really sure that He does not exist and they are trying to prove His non-existence by requiring believers in God to prove his existence. Hello_insanity’s approach really is that of a true atheist–I’m not going to waste my time discussing something that does not exist.
I’ve often be curious about the “atheists” who are writing books about how God does not exist. It seems to me that this is somewhat like it would be if I were to write a book about how pink elephants or purple alligators do not exist. If I am sure that something does not exist, it is a bit of nonsense and a great waste of my time to try to prove its non-existence.
Bravo to you, hello_insanity, for having a realistic view of your atheism.
ehh I dont know if I would call it a war on God…but people are trying so hard to be “POLITICALLY CORRECT” and respect others …and those people are attacking everyone else because they feel descriminated against…its almost like its politically incorrect to even mention God in a social setting…which is completely ridiculious if you ask me! All most adults are these days are a larger version of a 3 year old..throwing fits anytime something doesnt go their way. People need to grow up.
That is something too complicated.The whole topic is kinda heavy and people will never find a compromise on such topics.So all you gotta do is work hard and enjoy the fruits of hard work.
Maybe just do something like testing a new web application and posting your comments to its forum.I think that will help a lot.
Just say what you think of it,advise on how to make it better and in this way you will cintribute a lot to the community and the world at large.
Hold it. Why even talk about a war on God? If you believe, then it doesn’t matter. God will surely smite those who would wage war against him.
It’s nothing but political spin to get people who believe upset. It’s a way to get people to take their bibles to the polls and vote for the GOP because we all know that Jesus supports the war in Iraq.
How precisely would you survey the “average Iranian”? I doubt that he’s actually gone to Iran to talk to people… I also doubt that he has any statistics about colleges in America. I hate it when people overstate things to be dramatic.
However, if he is referring to the Christian deity rather than a generic god, then I do believe that there’s a bit of truth in what he says. Most religions are accepted in America, but Christianity should not be expressed… ever.
Yes and has been for quite a few years. It gets worse each year and will continue to do so just like the Word says.
Have a blessed Christmas & God keep you safe, healthy & happy. HUGS
well, I do not know anything about tony snow, but the war on God, as they say has been around as long as we have and even longer. Of course the media will not address this on a spiritual level, but that is where it is based. If you will notice, we have already kicked God out of the schools, and we have nearly succeeded in kicking Him out of any publicly owned property. In the Bible, it is said that already there are many anti-Christs in the world, and it is referred to as the “spirit that works in the disobedient.” And in America at least, it is done through policy and legislation. There are many here who want to use the constitution and the courts to make sure that the family unit is destroyed and that all traces of God are erased, kind of like the communists did back in the day. Yes, there is a war on God, and the only way I see to combat it is for God’s people to pray hard and have a real relationship with Jesus so others will see that He is still the answer.
The “war on God” only exists for the extremists on both ends of the religious spectrum who unfortunately get much more media time than they should. I would guess that the vast majority of non-religious people don’t spend all their time trying to convince people there isn’t a God and that the vast majority of religious people don’t spend their time playing the paranoid victim, thinking everyone is against them and God. Sadly, the media shows it a different way due to a small but vocal minority. Just take the big snit about the Golden Compass for example - that got started after the media’s broadcasting one or two really controversial comments by the author that were surely intended to start what they did. Now people are up in arms over the opinion of one atheist and a fantasy movie that is as likely to convert someone to atheism as I am to sprout wings and fly. Let’s put it this way. If there were a “war on God,” don’t ya think God, as omnipotent as He is, would be able to handle it? So why worry about what anyone else believes or doesn’t believe?
The war on God has always been going on. Not just in the US but in the Heavens too. It will end when Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Until then, there will be good times, and bad times all around.
i think that there will always be a war on god somewhere.
huginn
The ironic thing is this: one day there will be a Theocracy which will rule over the entire earth… when the government rests upon the shoulders of Jesus…
^^ In your dreams.
Literally.
“I thought education was one of the foundations of our country, not god.”
No, most people came for religious reasons. You can even find that in a secular book. Most people in America couldn’t even afford to be educated until the reforms started during the first half of the 19th century. Only then public education started becoming decently popular.
To the question…hm…I do think “war” is a bit extreme. But there’s definitely some major hating going on. Haha.
> I agree with the general commentary. I think there is more of a war on secularism, and the separation of church and state…. I think many Americans, in all their colors and creeds, are afraid of a religious as well as non-religious coup in the works and allow their brains to run rampant with silly commentary…. Our founding fathers in all their good intentions, wanted that separation because, as history shows, the monarchy in Britain was a religious monarchy with a bias of Catholic vs. Protestant, depending on which ruler was in power, throughout British history. Not good for all concerned, and decidedly not good for a new democracy.
Peace
to those of you hating on tony snow: it’s painfully obvious that you really don’t know what he’s talking about. or maybe you do, but you just blind yourself to the truth.
“No, most people came for religious reasons. You can even find that in a
secular book. Most people in America couldn’t even afford to be
educated until the reforms started during the first half of the 19th
century. Only then public education started becoming decently popular.”
I was talking about the foundation of our government and our freedoms it guarantees.