December 21, 2007

  • Jesus

    I wrote in my photoblog about a kid that was not allowed to be a part of a Christmas program “because he didn’t believe in Jesus.”

    One of the commenters said:

    “I don’t understand when people use these comments what does the kid mean in “believe in” Jesus? Jesus clearly existed in the past. I wonder if they allowed everyone to come to the party because they said “I believe in Jesus”…whatever that means”

    Another commenter responded: “^^ Actually, we don’t have evidence Jesus existed.”

    Do we have evidence that Jesus existed?

                                                         

Comments (165)

  • No, we don’t.

    IMO, I don’t understand why they have school Christmas programs… NOT everyone believes in all of that stuff… schools just assume you do… Public schools, mostly…

    They ARE cute, don’t get me wrong, but some people DON’T and they force students to learn all of this crap that they don’t believe in..

  • Of course we do.  It is in the historical record.

  • I’ve never heard a credible historian say otherwise. The fact that Jesus was a historical person is usually not even debated.

  • While a lot of the “historical proof” that events in the Bible were dead on truth often proves to either be misinterpretation or overzealous Christians desperately reaching for proof that they’re not all wackos, I think there’s reliable enough evidence that the Jesus Man existed.

    There’s just no reliable proof that he was the Son of God, so much as a wise fellow who spoke up against authority and got knocked down.

    A story far older than Christ, to be sure.

  • it doesn’t matter if jesus existed or not…it never has. jesus doesn’t choose our fate and he didnt make our history, we did.

  • Jesus was the original rebel!

  • Yes there is evidence that Jesus exsisted…read your Bible!!  There’s all the evidence you’ll need.
    Slutburger_with_Cheese will have a rude awakening come judgement day!!!

  • Not really.

    Doesn’t really matter anyway.  People are still gonna believe that fictional book, also known as the Bible.

  • Sure. Much more than beyond the Bible, he was mentioned in other historical documents. Historians usually don’t debate the existence of Jesus the man. Jesus the Song of God is another story.

    Of course, nobody ever questions whether Mohammad or Buddha lived. I wonder why.

  • Yes, but controversial evidence. Look at the facts……

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

  • Because, as we all know, the bible doesn’t exist.

  • I’m not EVEN gonna get in an arguement about this. People choose to believe what suits them, if you don’t believe Jesus IS God’s son, that’s your perogative. I believe the Bible is God’s word, SO I believe Jesus is God’s Son. Just because some DON’T believe doesn’t mean it isn’t fact. By the same token, just because I believe doesn’t make it fact, it’s fact because God said it. The day will come when you who don’t believe will see, and it will sadly be too late for you. A question for those who believe the Bible is a crock. What if it IS all true and you have really spit in the Creator’s face? Yeah, I know, YOU DON”T GIVE A RAT’S HINEY. Oh well! Nothing I can do or say about it to change your mind

  • well aside from the bible, which so far is pretty accurate historically about other stuff, go ahead and google Josephus and Tacitus…

  • You said it MyOrganizedMess

  • Depends on who you ask.
    I think, maybe, that Jesus existed as a person but not so much as some prophet who did this or that.

    The Aztecs thought Cortes was a descendant of Quetzalcoatl. He wasn’t, either.

  • “What if it IS all true and you have really spit in the Creator’s face?”

    What if it’s all a scam and you…die and rot in the ground and didn’t live your life fully because you were obeying the whims of a nonexistent sky wizard?

  • If we’re talking about historical evidence that a person named Jesus lived in Palestine from about 4BC to about 30 AD, yes, there is evidence outside of the Bible from numerous Roman historians, and the Jewish historian Josephus also included many references to Jesus in a historical context.

  • Drakonskyr: A Sky wizard ROFL, Man bud, I’m SOOO glad I’m not in your shoes. Well, at least if it’s a scam, what difference does it make how you live. I choose to live with that Hope God shared with us in the Bible, so I’ll treat other’s with that same love God showed me. At least it would be a selfless life lived to help other’s rather than only wanting what I could have for myself. Geez Drak, you REALLY shouldn’t let other’s wanting to live a life to help other’s get your goat!

  • Even if it really all is a scam, can’t really imagine life being all that bad being a believer (as long you avoid the weirder stuff). If you’re wrong, you’re dead but having lived a pretty good and socially positive life (hopefully). If you’re right…. Better a wrong believer than a wrong atheist.

    Anyway, it’s almost funny (in that tragic, small-minded way), the people who won’t acknowledge non-biblical evidence about Jesus’s historical existence.

  • “What if it’s all a scam and you…die and rot in the ground and didn’t live your life fully because you were obeying the whims of a nonexistent sky wizard?”

    If I am wrong then so be it.  I have done nothing but help a few innocent people along the way.  If you are wrong then the ends really do not justify the means.

  • I am all for reincarnation… lucky me!
    I can be a good girl OR a bad girl – ALL OF THE TIME!

  • yes, there is non-biblical evidence

  • Oh, a life of helping others I don’t have any trouble with.

    A life of “helping others” by condemning their lifestyles, actions, and outlook on life as either sinful or heresy, and lacking a supposed divine being meaning they must obviously be unhappy, however, I do have some trouble with.

  • I thought there was proof. Opps. 

  • Drak, I don’t condemn the lifestyles and what have you. God does and I believe God does for a REASON. SO, that’s why I believe. You have that right to believe differently, I’m not saying you can’t believe it. I didn’t say you or anyone else was unhappy living like they do….I WOULD BE!

  • Of course!!

    And I Love what UnworthyofHisgrace, esch99 and Hecalmsthestorm have to say!
    Why take the chance, right?
    And it’s also so much more than that!

  • Gotta get home, the family is waiting on me to bring home Chinese for Supper. I’ll look in later tonight Have a great evening there Drakster!  A happy one at that!

  • The bottom line here is that it really does not matter what you everyone believes.  The ONLY thing that will matter in the end is WHO you believe in. 

    I can believe that there is a sky wizard, I can believe I came from a rock over billions of years, I can believe that I am the god of my universe.  None of that matters.  There is only one Truth.  His name is Jesus. 

  • we don’t have proof that ANYONE existed.  

  • I believe the only REAL evidence we have is the Shroud of Turin. It’s supposed to be the most researched artifact in human history depicting a man being crucified.

  • Of course there is proof.  There were several Roman historicans that recorded the existence of Jesus.  Flavius Josephus: He was a Jewish historian who was born in 37 CE. In his book, Antiquities of the Jews, he described Jesus’ as a wise man who was crucified by Pilate.

    I am sure everyone can google this themselves. The point is … If Jesus is a myth, then how could we ever believe anything from the past??  Any person from the past can be made up from one’s imagination.   

  • There is more evidence for the existence of Jesus than there is for any other figure of antiquity. There are far more sources than the Bible alone, although that is a good source. It is more credible to believe Homer had no writings or that Plato and Socrates didn’t exist than it is to believe that Jesus didn’t exist. The issue is if he was who he said he was or rather if he was who his followers said he said he was. 

  • Drak might be onto something here.  Maybe some people should listen and spread the word.

  • not evidence, no.

    It really doesn’t matter if he existed or not, people mean “believe in the things he allegedly said.”The bible taken literally contains numerous lies.Taken metaphorically it’s a beautiful work of literature… and I’m athiest.

  • Spread what word gunstarr????  Yours???  Draks???? 

  • I don’t know.  I don’t believe in the resurrection and all that, there has been proof that he was taken down from the cross alive, and that he married Mary Magdalene and had 2 sons, from what I’ve heard.

  • Jesus’ existence is borne out not only by the Bible, but by contemporary secular history as well.

  • About two millenniums ago, a book was written. This book was written so well that many people, to this day, believe every contradictory claim it makes, and defend every prejudice its writers clearly wished to become widespread for their own, uninformed, undesired, and unnecessary existences to be bettered as a result.

    How did they achieve this? Fear. Some say it is one of the most basic, natural reactions. It is a survival mechanism.

    Without deceiving yourself, — without elevating yourself emotionally or mentally as if you are greater than me or anyone else who has the courage, and has made it public, to question the maculate doctrine that was shoved down your and their throat, — without acting as if a book was written by a deity who loathes his creations, — without poking holes in my logic when yours has one 20 meters wide, — read and try to understand: If it were not possible for you to fear that a deity — who you’ve never seen, touched, felt, heard, or tasted (imagination aside) — wrote a book after millions of years of humans were in existence, for only the people who came after that book to be saved as if they are somehow more special than the billions — maybe trillions — who came before them, would you still be a believer?

    Allow Carl Sagan to widen your view to even more than those who existed in the past; analyze the Universe:

    “We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space], and, if you
    look at it, you see a dot. That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it
    everyone you know, everyone you love, everyone you’ve ever heard of,
    every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of
    all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions,
    ideologies and economic doctrines. Every hunter and forager, every hero
    and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king
    and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every
    mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of
    morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme
    leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived
    there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

    The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of
    the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that
    in glory and triumph they could become the momentary masters of a
    fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the
    inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable
    inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their
    misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent
    their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the
    delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are
    challenged by this point of pale light.

    Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark.
    In our obscurity — in all this vastness — there is no hint that help
    will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us.
    It’s been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a
    character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better
    demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of
    our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more
    kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish
    this pale blue dot, the only home we’ve ever known.”

    With that wealth of wisdom in mind, consider the possibility that there is no god. Would you still have the ability to be moral, loving, caring, selfless, respectful, grateful, beautiful, wise, strong, powerful, spiritually prosperous, sentient beings?

  • “I’m not EVEN gonna get in an arguement about this. People choose to believe what suits them, if you don’t believe Jesus IS God’s son, that’s your perogative. I believe the Bible is God’s word, SO I believe Jesus is God’s Son. Just because some DON’T believe doesn’t mean it isn’t fact. By the same token, just because I believe doesn’t make it fact, it’s fact because God said it. The day will come when you who don’t believe will see, and it will sadly be too late for you. A question for those who believe the Bible is a crock. What if it IS all true and you have really spit in the Creator’s face? Yeah, I know, YOU DON”T GIVE A RAT’S HINEY. Oh well! Nothing I can do or say about it to change your mind”

    I pity the people who spend every sunday going to church for something that logically isn’t real. God may be real, but I personally do not believe in him, and if he is he will accept me into heaven for being a good person whether i believe in him or not or he is no god worth believing in.It is a fact because god said it? Did got dictate the whole bible? Did he write it? Did he say it? I doubt even most of the religious population believes that. There is no proof god is real, so nothing he allegedly “says” is fact. It’s merely something that someone wrote down that god may have said if he exists. Fact has to be proven with science. :o oh dear, the biblethumpers hate the word… science.Sorry, I started aiming to provoke, sometimes it’s hard not to.

  • So mush ignorance, Jesus is one of the most documented human beings to have existed from that far back. As far as him rising from the dead. those who said they saw it, were willing to die saying it.

    Who dies to keep a lie and why would they?

  • yes, jesus as a person existed, but there isnt any scientific proof that he was the son of god.

  • “Who dies to keep a lie and why would they?”

    People die to keep lies, because they have the promise of eternal life to fall back upon.

    Besides, you surely realize how good it feels to be a martyr for something you believe to be righteous, especially when other people do not agree with you?

    Well, you may not, as Christians make up 1/3 of the world’s religions; however, it’s likely that you have the imagination to conjure up how it feels, yes?

  • please

    believing in god doesn’t make you charitable and definitely does not make you a good person.However, the bible outlines morals that people should have whether they believe or not. Believing in heaven and hell scares some people into having good morals. Not all, some people naturally have good morals.If you need a book from the “creator” to make you a decent person, then that’s fine, at least you aren’t releasing havoc upon your community. I am a good person, I have my faults, but I enjoy helping people, doing charity work, and helping the elderly wash their dogs. There’s nothing christian or nonchristian about that.

  • And I just love the arrogance of the comment above me. God must do as i say he should, or I will not believe in him.

     I’m sure the creator of the entire universe feels compelled to conform to the expectation of us little piss ant creature. Telling God what he must be, how he must act, and who he must spend eternity with. No wonder he created a place (Hell) totally separating himself from such people. Imagine an eternity surrogated by such arogant fools. It would be Gods own personal hell to have such company.

  • As an answer to my own, initial, rhetorical question: This picture.

  • Trunthepaige, you are quite polite. I am pleased to have such a
    kind-hearted, respectful, intelligent Christian to reasonably,
    eloquently, admonish her fellow man about what lies ahead should he
    continue on the utmost vile path.

    Living by example is your specialty. God bless you.

  • now you call me arrogant? I see no reason to respect a god who let’s be go to hell even though I’m a good person just because I don’t believe in him. I think life is about being a good person, not worshipping something that may or may not exist.

  • Chemikalie

    What are you talking about? The witnesses I was talking about were witnesses to Jesus resurrection. If that did not happen, they knew that that their faith was nothing but a big con job. A con man does not die to protect his lie. He does not think his lie will bring him eternal life. He knows its all a lie. Why would such a con man lie when death was going to be the result of his lie? Why would so many of these con men die for that lie?

  • I don’t really know about evidence for Jesus’ existence. But there is absolutely no evidence to prove he was the messiah or son of God (sorry, the bible doesn’t count. It was written by people.)

  • irrashunal

    It is not arrogant to demand that God be what you want him to be?

    That you for such a good laugh

  • I love the people on here who say things along the lines of “WELL if it is true, I don’t want to risk it!” That’s a healthy way to live your life– living it by “God’s” standards because you’re afraid to do otherwise. I don’t think that’s true Christianity. Isn’t it supposed to come from within your heart and love for God/Jesus/Christ?

  • Religion is about faith that there’s something better out there.

    The witnesses probably didn’t know it was a scam. People hear what they want to hear, and eternal life sounds pretty sweet. Pity it’s not realistic.Jesus didn’t rise from the dead, but they believed in what he said and knew it would persuade others to believe the same, and save them from “eternal damnation.”Hey, Jesus may have defied the laws of life, who knows. We weren’t there, we did not witness what did or did not happen so everything we say is nothing more than speculation. We can go back and forth all day but it proves nothing. History is biased. Accounts of old stories are told with a side because humans are not subjective.

  • Trunthepaige, I found it difficult to read through your redundancy, but
    I will try to reply to the best of my ability: No, that is actually not
    the case.

    If those are actual questions and not rhetorical questions, I will take
    my time to answer them. However, they seem rhetorical as it is quite
    obvious what you believe them to be, and what I believe them to be.

    My answering them is pointless.

    I can give you a well thought-out answer if you so desire, but it is
    not my intention to allow this debate turn into an argument, and I
    foresee that my answering of those questions would result in just that.

    “It is not arrogant to demand that God be what you want him to be?

    That you for such a good laugh”

    Your very beliefs challenge that argument, and you call others arrogant. If you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, surely you believe in the Bible? Well, from a believer’s perspective, the Bible outlines who God is. We are not molding him into what we want him to be; he did that himself, supposedly.

  • No, I don’t believe it is arrogant.

    If God is real….
    “God” gives us a book, of questionable origins.Allegedly his son. I think Jesus was probably a real person (and a lunatic?)The Jews were looking for their Messiah at the time. Jesus would be a powerful man if he declared himself the Messiah, and thus he did. The Jews didn’t believe him no, but he had enough other followers. I thin Jesus just wanted power, he was a carpenter. Oh, he left his home village because no one would believe him where he lived… because he was a normal person. Rule number one of a prophet, don’t start where you live, everyone will think you’re crazy. If you reach out a little bit you’ll gain some followers. It’s the same for all the other prophets too.

  • anyway. if god gives us only that and expects us to blindly believe in him, then he is the arrogant one. I think the bible is metaphorical for the most part.

    For instance creation is a metaphor for evolution. I have no problem with theistic evolution (the idea that god helped evolution along) but saying the earth is 6,000 years old and evolution didn’t happen is bullshit.

  • No, there isn’t any irrefutable proof that he existed, at least not that I have ever seen but that doesn’t make any difference.  If we could prove that he existed and that he did what the Bible says he did then it wouldn’t be faith or a belief at all.  I think it is better not having irrefutable proof.

  • Some say yes there is physical evidence others say no.
    Some say the bible is the physical evidence.
    Yes, I do believe in Jesus & I believe the bible but in my opinion the bible doesn’t really stand as physical evidence to me. Anyone can write a book & try to make you believe something whether it’s real or not, but that doesn’t make it real.

    I try to see from both points of view.

  • There is a subtlty in this question. It is two things whether we conclude with a reasonable dbout that he exists or if direct evidence or documentation exists of his life. I could very well be the case that Jesus existsed, and through the centuries, primary documentation of his life became simply lost.

    Also, semantically, I’m not sure what the boy meant by, “I don’t believe in Jesus.” The statement could as easily be the deinal of his whorship or of his more supernatural qualities.

  • “What if it IS all true and you have really spit in the Creator’s face?”

    What
    if it’s all a scam and you…die and rot in the ground and didn’t live
    your life fully because you were obeying the whims of a nonexistent sky
    wizard?

    Yes. DMV is right again.

    The bible is nothing but an allegory, and nor was there any actual writer from the time that actually documented and wrote about the man.

  • I think there’s proof that a man named Jesus existed and he was crucified…but other than that, everything is spiritual belief.

  • Chemikali

    I can give you a well thought-out answer if you so desire, but it is not my intention to allow this debate turn into an argument, and I foresee that my answering of those questions would result in just that.

    Phooey, you’re no fun. I liked your longer post of the thread!

  • This is funny you really can’t understand why it arrogant to demand that any being, let along a divine one, meet your expectations.

    Ok have fun with that and if I am wrong, and god its not what i think he is, remember I never demanded that god be what I wanted him to be. H will be what ever he is or nothing at all my expectation and desires are so irrelevant.

    Can you understand that? can you see why your position is arrogant? Not believing is on thing, but demanding that he be what you want him to be, is arrogant and very foolish.

    I normally enjoy these things, but I am out of time and am not giving ether of your arguments their due respect. Come by if you wish. As I said I enjoy these discussions, but i am gone for the night

  • Well Jesus is such a big historical figure. I’ve never heard any historians disprove his existence. It is a fact that he was a human being living on the Earth a long time ago.

  • The Bible itself can be quite iffy.
    But there supposedly is a lot of historical proof about his existence. Him existing isn’t what’s hard to believe. Its the things that the Bible says in regards to him that are usually in question.

  • primary documentation documentation exists for for almost no one in that era. If your name did not get put on to a major stone monument all you will have is copies. So if copies are not good enough for you, then I dare you to prove the existence of most of Romes rulers. I’m not certain Julies Cesar’s existence can be proved, if you demand original documents. There are only two copoies if Julies Cesar’s “Conquest of Gaul” nether of them written in his hand, but do we hear arguments about the validly of that book? or existence of that man?

  • UnworthyOfHisGrace

    I’m not EVEN gonna get in an arguement about this. People choose to believe what suits them…

    You are incorrect here, sir. We have no conscience choice in our beliefs. We can’t walk into a supermarket isle and pick up the most amenable belief. The processing for acceptance or rejection of factual proposition goes on in our unconscience. For the most part, the acceptance or rejection relies on the persusive power of the evidence.

    Those who don’t believe have been left unimpressed by the evidence. Those who do beleive liked the evidene.

    …The day will come when you who don’t believe will see, and it will sadly be too late for you.

    Translation: HaHaHa.

    A question for those who believe the Bible is a crock. What if it IS all true and you have really spit in the Creator’s face? Yeah, I know, YOU DON”T GIVE A RAT’S HINEY.

    What if the Bible isn’t true? It would mean that many Christians, all over the world, have given serious emotional, physical, and financial investment towards a myth– a figment of the Hebrew imagination. The time lost would be unrecoverable. In the view of atheists, the life we hold now is infinitely precious– it is the only existance we will ever have. And when we do succumb– to a heart attack, to that bad driver on the freeway– it’ll be the end of everything. To waste life on religion is more than sad– it’s tragic.

  • Those who want to deny the existance of Jesus are truely mislead and misinformed as to the records of His existance and NOT just from the Bible. Even the Jews don’t deny He existed, they just didn’t believe He was Messiah. There is archeological evidence that proves just how real and accurate the history of the Bible is. Recently much has been uncovered about the truth about the stories and events in the Bible.  People’s from many cultures recognize the accuracy of the Bible, not just christianity. Unfortunatly just like some want to swallow the illogical lie of evolution, they willingly reject the Truth of Christ. It never ceases to baffle me how one can look at this created world around us and deny that they have any meaning in this world other than being the relative of intelligent apes. The Bible is the living word. It’s truth is accurate yesterday, today and tomorrow. Just remember that when millions of Christians around the world mysteriously dissappear.

  • The Bible’s “questionable” origins? Man research is not your talent. Try looking up the Dead Sea Scrolls or the prophesies written in the Old testament (mostly in Isaiah) which were in the hundreds, in which ONLY one man fulfilled. Maybe you aren’t aware that Secular historians don’t find the Bible “questionable” many cultures and other religions recognize the accuracy of the Bible as truth.

  • trunthepaige

    Jesus is one of the most documented human beings to have existed from that far back. As far as him rising from the dead. those who said they saw it, were willing to die saying it.

    Let’s hope that not all of that is cross-documentation to faulty secondary sources.

    Who dies to keep a lie and why would they?

    Lots: Muslim Jihadist, self-immolating Buddhist monks… I could go on if you’d like.

  • …sha. I saw it on the History Channel. They would NEVER lie to me.

  • A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

    Those of us who believe the Bible to be truth and Jesus to be the Son of God did not come to this belief on our own.  Our hearts were brought alive by God Himself to see the truth.  Nothing we say will cause unbelievers to see the Truth.  God Himself must make their hearts alive to see the Truth. 

    I pray that the Lord I serve will make all your hearts alive to see His Truth.  Blessings to all who read this.

  • I love when people start stating their own opinions about Jesus, God and religion and then the Jesus lovers start freaking out on them.

  • trunthepaige

    primary documentation documentation exists for for almost no one in that era. If your name did not get put on to a major stone monument all you will have is copies. So if copies are not good enough for you, then I dare you to prove the existence of most of Romes rulers.

    Ah, I was waiting for that. =)

    EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE. Jesus, as depicted by the Bible, did pretty extraordinary things. Miracles certainly don’t exist now. Science has pretty comprehensively cataloged the natural world and nothing of it involves rising from the dead or feeding hungry crowds with a single fish.

    At the point that we’re questioning the existance of Jesus, the supernatural savior, we have to inspect the evidence more closely as well as demand a greater welath of evidence. Ordinary common-sense won’t cut it anymore.

  • Dan, you used to stir up ant hills when you were a kid didn’t you?

  • i think he probably existed, but that doesn’t mean he was a savior of anything.  and for people that are saying that the bible is evidence – are you serious?  that’s like calling dr. seuss fact:  no really, those lands exist somewhere!  get real.

  • after reading the comments, i had to come back and say one more thing…why do some people assume that there is christianity or there is atheism?  as if those are your only two choices?!

    more than one person has stated that if they believe and they’re wrong, oh well, but if an athiest doesn’t believe, they’re going to hell.  well, what if both are wrong?  what if you’re supposed to be a jew and the god you believe in was angry that you worshipped some random guy that he didn’t send, so you go to hell anyway?  what if you’re supposed to be a buddhist?  what if there is no hell, but there is a god and you’re still believe the wrong thing?  what if there is just some huge spirit and all the atheists were right to not believe in god, and the buddhists got to be happy too?  what if there just IS no afterlife, even if there is a god?  there could be a god and the bible could still be entirely made up.  don’t forget that there are more choices than just christianity and atheism.  it’s not just right or wrong – there are countless situations that may be correct.

  • *still believing, haha.

  • There is “Jesus existed”

    Then there is “Jesus existed and did all that shit they said he did in the bible”

    Dan if you need to speak with me next time my email is kenica@keni.ca, I check it every other year of the Dog.

  • There is a lot of historical weight to the argument that Jesus did exist.

    As for Jesus as the Son of God, which I believe he was, there will never be enough proof for some. The Bible is filled with accounts of people denying the divinity of Christ after he performed miracles. If people could see his miracles and still deny him how is it surprising that 2000 years after the fact we’re still debating it?

  • PHysical evidence? Not sure you’d have to research bout that. And no the bible isn’t actually proof.. because alot of that stuff is fiction. Or exaggerated truth. We are supposed to take much of it as a metaphor, so i wonder.. why don’t we take most of the characters as metaphors? Because we can’t define what is real and what is made up..

    But really all religion originates from one place. More people need to take history courses.

  • JJ Ames

    As for Jesus as the Son of God, which I believe he was, there will never be enough proof for some. The Bible is filled with accounts of people denying the divinity of Christ after he performed miracles. If people could see his miracles and still deny him how is it surprising that 2000 years after the fact we’re still debating it?

    Somewhere in Iran, there is an intelligent Muslim college student sitting at his computer wondering the same thing: With the evidence, how could any of us deny the prophet Mohammad?

  • Other than the bible, does anyone have any other PROOF. Not just “yes there is proof”????????????????????????????????????? Like, citations. Because if you don’t, then you actually have nothing. And you’ve proved nothing. The bible is a questionable source of documentation and is not valid.

    There is a reason why everyone uses the word “believe.” Just because people believe doesn’t mean it’s true.

  • there is plenty of non-biblical evidence that Jesus existed. the question is whether or not you believe in Him as man or God. it’s notable that some of this evidence is given by hostile witnesses, which is the strongest evidence that can be given in a trial.

    Interestingly, there is also evidence from hostile witnesses stating that Christ’s grave was empty three days after his death. It was given by Josephus, a Jewish historian who didn’t believe in Christ as God, but as a liar and blasphemer.

  • There is considerable historical evidence that Jesus existed.  Read the book “The Case For Christ” by Lee Strobel.  Interestingly, I say a quote from a Jewish historical document that claims that Jesus was a wonderworker who did miracles by the power of satan.  What is interesting is that they do not refute Jesus miracles, only claim that it was by the power of the devil.

    Much of the biblical account is now established by archeology, such as Pontius Pilate, Herod, etc.

    Why would so many people have been willing to die cruel deaths at the hands of the Romans if Jesus was not real?

  • We’re never 100% correct about anything, but 2000 years and I’ll question anything. The past is too big a mystery to assume that if someone says some existed, than it therefore must be true. Unless we can see a body, I say that there isn’t enough evidence to suggest that Jesus existed. There were probably heaps of guys by the name of Jesus, but as for the ‘one’ Jesus….sorry, no evidence, no rationale for existence.

    ’nuff said….

  • JabezPrayer

    Why would so many people have been willing to die cruel deaths at the hands of the Romans if Jesus was not real?

    Because they were gullible.

  • I a couple of thousand years see how likely it is that anybody will be able to prove with a certainty that you existed. There’s evidence yes but no it isn’t conclusive but it’s highly likely. Now whether virtually anything else that has been said about Jesus has any historical accuracy or not is another matter.

    But here’s another question. Does it really matter?

  • There was a Jewish historian that

  • We have proofs of many Jesus’s living during that period, including one from Nazareth. He did exist.

    Now whether he was the son of god is completely different (It goes against the Jewish texts against which he was supposed to be judged, so I don’t believe he was).

  • There is “Jesus existed”

    Then there is “Jesus existed and did all that shit they said he did in the bible”

    Dan if you need to speak with me next time my email is kenica@keni.ca, I check it every other year of the Dog.”

    I’ll admit it: I’ve missed ol’ Ken(i x12)

  • I know that Christians believe in him as the son of God, and Jews respect him as an important prophet(I think I’ve heard that..)….but I don’t know that there’s any actual fact that he existed, or any reference to him in any other religion.(though for most I’d assume no)

    Because, yes, religious documents don’t quite serve as credible fact because it can be tossed out be “Oh, I don’t believe that..”

  • I meant, I’d assume no towards reference to him in other religions, not assume no towards factual evidence.**

  • huginn: Shut up and let people voice their own opinions. You don’t have to reply to comments THAT WERE NOT MADE TO YOU. =_=;; Geez.
    Practically killing the pleasure anyone might have in voicing their opinions. =_=;;;

  • There are historical figures and writings that refer to Jesus the man.  Such references are found in the writings of Thallus, Josephus, and Cornelius Tacitus, who were first-century historians.  Other references may be found in the Babylonian Talmud, written by Jewish rabbis who were no fans of the teachings of Christ.

    Just a few examples for those who want “actual proof” outside of the Bible.

  • WordFlyerJosh-“There is more evidence for the existence of Jesus than there is for any
    other figure of antiquity. There are far more sources than the Bible
    alone, although that is a good source. It is more credible to believe
    Homer had no writings or that Plato and Socrates didn’t exist than it
    is to believe that Jesus didn’t exist. The issue is if he was who he
    said he was or rather if he was who his followers said he said he was.”

    Why is it so many people are convinced that Jesus Christ is one of the most documented historical figures?  Yes, going off the evidence it is much more likely he existed then did not but in no way he does he have more evidence for his actual existence then say Socrates or Plato. We can actually do a source by source comparison if someone wants, but the majority of secular sources tend to mention early christians and not Jesus Christ himself and the most popular mention of him by Josephus is regarded by experts as likely being added by a later writer.

    UnworthyofHisgrace
    -”Just because some DON’T believe doesn’t mean it isn’t fact. By the same
    token, just because I believe doesn’t make it fact, it’s fact because
    God said it.The day will come when you who don’t believe will see, and it will
    sadly be too late for you. A question for those who believe the Bible
    is a crock. What if it IS all true and you have really spit in the
    Creator’s face?”

    But yet you can believe something and make it a fact since you believe God makes it a fact….A bit circular don’t you think? And what if we were all suppose to be muslims? I bet most people commenting here would all be in trouble then.

    trunthepaige-“And I just love the arrogance of the comment above me. God must do as i say he should, or I will not believe in him.

     I’m
    sure the creator of the entire universe feels compelled to conform to
    the expectation of us little piss ant creature. Telling God what he
    must be, how he must act, and who he must spend eternity with. No
    wonder he created a place (Hell) totally separating himself from such
    people. Imagine an eternity surrogated by such arogant fools. It would
    be Gods own personal hell to have such company.”

    Wow, what an ugly person. And I mean on the inside and not on the outside. What was the point of this comment? To be a shining light or just make everyone aware of how nasty a person you are?

  • My Bible says so, and that’s all I need as proof that Jesus exists.

    I don’t understand why this child got barred from activities because of his faith, however.  Doesn’t that go against some sort of anti-discrimination law?  That kids family should sue for a lot of money.  Then name their next child Jésus.

  • To answer the original question:

    Yes we have evidence that Jesus existed. Whether he was a man or something more is a theological question.

  • morbindFRAGRANCE

    huginn: Shut up and let people voice their own opinions.

    You’re pretty dull. Realize that I’m not preventing people from posting, I’m not attempting to discourage people from posting. People post as they like. What I’m doing is contributing discourse. A dialetctic, if you may.

    Oh, and I applaud your middling attempt at censorship. *CLAP, CLAP*

    You don’t have to reply to comments THAT WERE NOT MADE TO YOU

    Yes they were. At the point that a comment is made in this general fourm, that comment is avaliable for all to read. Even if they weren’t explicitly addressed to me, they were implicitly. I comment on a said statement or argument as a bystander of its involved conversation.

    If interested in addressing any paritcular member, a xanga user can either A.) Post a comment, or B.) Message the person. If that xanga user really want to keep the message private, he or she would have chosen to message it.

  • Oops, ignore I said Socrates has more evidence for him then Jesus Christ. That is not true. Instead replace with either Aristotle, Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, etc…

  • In response to whataboutbabh, there are two surviving versions of Josephus’ text.  One, held by many Christians, contains a more extensive description of Jesus’ life and death, and includes the resurrection.  The one preserved by Muslims does not include as much information, but still attests to Jesus’ life and work in Israel.  And as far as a source-by-source basis, there are thousands (the number varies somewhat based on what you exclude) of ancient manuscripts referring to the life of Jesus, and less than a hundred of copies of texts referring to Socrates or Plato.

  • There is historical evience, other than in the Bible, that a man named Jesus, born in Bethlehem to Joseph and Mary, and claiming to be the Christ, existed. 

  • Reiskytl_rules: On the Josephus text

    The one supposedly written by Josephus:

    “About this time came Jesus, a wise man, if indeed it is appropriate to
    call him a man. For he was a performer of paradoxical feats, a teacher
    of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of
    the Jews and also many Greeks. He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon the
    accusation of the first men amongst us, condemned him to be crucified,
    those who had formerly loved him did not cease [to follow him], for he
    appeared to them on the third day, living again, as the divine prophets
    foretold, along with a myriad of other marvellous things concerning
    him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not
    disappeared to this day.”

    What some experts have said on it:
    “Concerns have been raised about the authenticity of the passage, at
    least in part, and it is widely held by scholars that part of the
    passage is an interpolation
    by a later scribe. Judging from Alice Whealey’s 2003 survey of the
    historiography, it seems that the majority of modern scholars consider
    that Josephus really did write something here about Jesus, but that the
    text that has reached us is corrupt to a perhaps quite substantial
    extent. In the words of the Catholic Encyclopedia entry for Flavius
    Josephus, “The passage seems to suffer from repeated interpolations.”
    There has been no consensus on which portions are corrupt, or to what
    degree. In antiquity, Origen recorded that Josephus did not believe Jesus was the Christ,

    [43]

    as it seems to suggest in the quote above. Michael L. White argued
    against authenticity, citing that parallel sections of Josephus’s

    Jewish War

    do not mention Jesus, and that some Christian writers as late as the third century, who quoted from the

    Antiquities

    , do not mention the passage.

    [44]

    While very few scholars believe the whole testimonium is genuine,

    [45]

    most scholars have found at least some authentic words of Josephus in the passage.

    [46]

    Certain scholars of Josephus’s works have observed that this portion is written in his style.

    [47]“

    The other version actually was not written by muslims, rather a Christian Arab named Agapius of Manbij. His version said:
    “At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct
    was good, and (he) was known to be virtuous. and many people from among
    the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned
    him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples
    did not desert his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to
    them three days after his crucifixion and that he was alive;
    accordingly, he was perhaps the Messiah concerning whom the prophets
    have recounted wonders.”
    Experts on Josephus and his writing have tended to think that this version is more in his style and appears to be a more accurate version.

  • Whoa, nice. Thanks for the neat copy/paste, whataboutbahb.

  • There could have been a man named Jesus who was martyred but no divine evidence or anything.  And the Bible being the “word of God”?  Please!  It’s a book written by man therefore even if it was the supposed “word of God” it is still man-made and therefore subject to interpretation.

    ^… says the agnostic.

  • Hmmm sorry for the weird formatting from the copy and paste I did. Did not feel like rewriting everything out (was copy and pasted from here).

    As for the second part of your comment:
    Reiskytl_rules
    “And as far as a source-by-source basis, there are thousands (the number
    varies somewhat based on what you exclude) of ancient manuscripts
    referring to the life of Jesus, and less than a hundred of copies of
    texts referring to Socrates or Plato.”

    The Gospels and Paul’s letters were the earliest works to mention Jesus (you can argue Q mentions him earlier, but that still is a decent time after death) and Mark is usually agreed upon to be written in the late 60′s early 70′s and Paul’s letters no earlier then the 40′s. That’s a decent time gap before being mentioned by anyone. Jesus’ first mention by a non-christian author is by Josephus in 93.

    Thus Jesus might have near a thousand references but the majority of them come from Christian authors (and many, many of those are based on the previous writings (like Q), so you can’t really make the claim there is even a thousand independent references of Jesus, it would be absurd). There are four major non-christian writers (Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius, and Pliny the Younger) in the late first and early second century that mention either Jesus Christ or the early christians, but usually the references are to early christians and not an actual individual named Jesus Christ.

    Thus you have no contemporary writers mention Jesus during the time of his life and no writings credited to Jesus.

    Plato, as well as Aristotle, on the other hand were mentioned by plenty of contemporary authors. They both wrote a large amount of works. They were mentioned by historians earlier then 90 years after their deaths. Socrates, as I mentioned earlier, does not have such as strong case. There is no evidence he wrote anything and if he did it hasn’t survived. He only has 4 primary sources referring to him. And lots of these references were done in an artistic way (aka Plato), so we don’t know how much is true or not. And Plato tells us the most about Socrates, so if he was wrong or not being accurate we would really never know the difference. Does that mean I don’t believe in the existence of Socrates? No. So if I believe Socrates existed and I think Jesus has a more credible amount of sources and references backing up his existence, of course I think Jesus Christ was an actual historic figure. That still doesn’t mean he has more evidence for him then other historical figures though.

  • There are more historical books written that have Jesus mentioned in them, both non-religious and religious, than there are historical books written that mention Caesar Augustus, yet most people believe that Caesar Augustus existed but not Jesus.  How about that?

  • Old Testament Prophecies Of Jesus Christ That Were Fulfilled
    In The New
    Testament
    Jesus is eternal in His existenceMicah 5:1-2 (NIV) Marshal your troops, O city of troops, for a siege is
    laid against us. They will strike Israel’s ruler on the cheek with a rod. 2 “But you,
    Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come
    for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient
    times.”

    John 1:1 (NIV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
    God, and the Word was God.

    John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have
    seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and
    truth.

    John 8:58 (NIV) “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered,
    “before Abraham was born, I am!”

    Ephesians 1:3-14 (NIV) Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord
    Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in
    Christ. 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless
    in his sight. In love 5 he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ,
    in accordance with his pleasure and will– 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he
    has freely given us in the One he loves. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood,
    the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8 that he lavished
    on us with all wisdom and understanding. 9 And he made known to us the mystery of his will
    according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10 to be put into effect when
    the times will have reached their fulfillment–to bring all things in heaven and on earth
    together under one head, even Christ. 11 In him we were also chosen, having been
    predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the
    purpose of his will, 12 in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be
    for the praise of his glory. 13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the
    word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with
    a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until
    the redemption of those who are God’s possession–to the praise of his glory.

    Colossians 1:15-19 (NIV) He is the image of the invisible God, the
    firstborn over all creation. 16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and
    on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all
    things were created by him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things
    hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the
    firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For
    God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,

    Revelation 1:18 (NIV) I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am
    alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

    Jesus is the Son of GodPsalms 2:7 (NIV) I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me,
    “You are my Son ; today I have become your Father.
    Proverbs 30:4 (NIV) Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has
    gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in his
    cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and the name of
    his son? Tell me if you know!

    Matthew 3:17 (NIV) And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son,
    whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

    Luke 1:32 (NIV) He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most
    High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,

    Romans 1:4 (NIV) and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared
    with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Jesus would be anointed with the Spirit of GodIsaiah 11:2 (NIV) The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him– the Spirit
    of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of
    knowledge and of the fear of the LORD–
    Isaiah 61:1 (NIV) The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because
    the LORD has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the
    brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the
    prisoners,
    Psalms 45:7-8 (NIV) You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
    therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil
    of joy. 8 All your robes are fragrant with myrrh and aloes and cassia; from palaces
    adorned with ivory the music of the strings makes you glad.

    Matthew 3:16 (NIV) As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the
    water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a
    dove and lighting on him.

    John 3:34 (NIV) For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God,
    for God gives the Spirit without limit.

    Acts 10:38 (NIV) how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy
    Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the
    power of the devil, because God was with him.

    Jesus’ name is the same as the Tetragrammaton (YHWH)Isaiah 9:5-7 (NIV) Every warrior’s boot used in battle and every
    garment rolled in blood will be destined for burning, will be fuel for the fire. 6 For to
    us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And
    he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7
    Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s
    throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness
    from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.
    Jeremiah 23:5-6 (NIV) “The days are coming,” declares the
    LORD, “when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely
    and do what is just and right in the land. 6 In his days Judah will be saved and Israel
    will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The LORD Our
    Righteousness.

    Romans 10:9 (NIV) That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is
    Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be
    saved.

    Philippians 2:9-11 (NIV) Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
    and gave him the name that is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee
    should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that
    Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Jesus would be The KingPsalms 2:6 (NIV) “I have installed my King on Zion, my holy
    hill.”

    John 18:33-37 (NIV) Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned
    Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” 34 “Is that your own
    idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?” 35 “Am I a
    Jew?” Pilate replied. “It was your people and your chief priests who handed you
    over to me. What is it you have done?” 36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this
    world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my
    kingdom is from another place.” 37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
    Jesus answered, “You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was
    born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of
    truth listens to me.”

    Jesus would be a ProphetDeuteronomy 18:15 (NIV) The LORD your God will raise up for you a
    prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him.
    Deuteronomy 18:18 (NIV) I will raise up for them a prophet like you
    from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them
    everything I command him.

    Acts 3:20-22 (NIV) and that he may send the Christ, who has been
    appointed for you–even Jesus. 21 He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to
    restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. 22 For Moses said,
    ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you
    must listen to everything he tells you.

    Jesus would be a PriestPsalms 110:4 (NIV) The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind:
    “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.”

    Hebrews 5:5-6 (NIV) So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory
    of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, “You are my Son; today I have become
    your Father.” 6 And he says in another place, “You are a priest forever, in the
    order of Melchizedek.”

    Hebrews 6:20 (NIV) where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our
    behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.

    Hebrews 7:14-17 (NIV) For it is clear that our Lord descended from
    Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. 15 And what we have
    said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16 one who has become
    a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power
    of an indestructible life. 17 For it is declared: “You are a priest forever, in the
    order of Melchizedek.”

    Jesus would come the first time after sixty-two “sevens” and
    the second time after seven “sevens”
    Daniel 9:24-26 (NIV) “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people
    and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness,
    to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the
    most holy. 25 “Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore
    and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven
    ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens
    .’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in
    times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be cut off and
    will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the
    sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and
    desolations have been decreed.

    Matthew 2:1 (NIV) After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during
    the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem

    Matthew 2:16 When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the
    Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its
    vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from
    the Magi.

    Jesus would die sixty two “sevens” after the order to rebuild
    Jerusalem

    Daniel 9:24-26 (NIV) “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people
    and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness,
    to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the
    most holy. 25 “Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore
    and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven
    ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in
    times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be cut off and
    will have nothing
    . The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the
    sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and
    desolations have been decreed.

    Romans 5:16 (NIV) Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the
    one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift
    followed many trespasses and brought justification.

    1 Peter 3:18 (NIV) For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous
    for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive
    by the Spirit,

    Jesus would be the “seed of the woman” that would crush the
    serpent’s head
    Genesis 3:15 (NIV) And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and
    between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his
    heel.”

    Galatians 4:4 (NIV) But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son,
    born of a woman, born under law,

    1 John 3:8 (NIV) He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because
    the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to
    destroy the devil’s work.

    Jesus would be the “seed of Abraham”Genesis 12:3 (NIV) I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses
    you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”

    Matthew 1:1 (NIV) A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of
    David, the son of Abraham:

    Acts 3:25 (NIV) And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant
    God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring all peoples on
    earth will be blessed.’

    Galatians 3:16 (NIV) The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his
    seed. The Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but
    “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

    Jesus would be the “seed of Isaac”Genesis 17:9 (NIV) Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must
    keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come.
    Genesis 21:12 (NIV) But God said to him, “Do not be so distressed
    about the boy and your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is
    through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.

    Matthew 1:2 (NIV) Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of
    Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,

    Luke 3:34 (NIV) the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham,
    the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,

    Hebrews 11:17-19 (NIV) By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered
    Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promises was about to sacrifice his one and
    only son, 18 even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your
    offspring will be reckoned.” 19 Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and
    figuratively speaking, he did receive Isaac back from death.

    Jesus would be the “seed of Jacob”Genesis 28:14 (NIV) Your descendants will be like the dust of the
    earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south.
    All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring.
    Numbers 24:17-19 (NIV) “I see him, but not now; I behold him, but
    not near. A star will come out of Jacob; a scepter will rise out of Israel. He will crush
    the foreheads of Moab, the skulls of all the sons of Sheth. 18 Edom will be conquered;
    Seir, his enemy, will be conquered, but Israel will grow strong. 19 A ruler will come out
    of Jacob and destroy the survivors of the city.”

    Matthew 1:2 (NIV) Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of
    Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,

    Luke 3:34 (NIV) the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham,
    the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,

    Jesus would be of the tribe of JudahGenesis 49:10 (NIV) The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the
    ruler’s staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience
    of the nations is his.

    Matthew 1:2-3 (NIV) Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father
    of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, 3 Judah the father of Perez and
    Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Perez the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram,

    Luke 3:33 (NIV) the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram, the son of
    Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah,

    Hebrews 7:14-17 (NIV) For it is clear that our Lord descended from
    Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.

    Jesus would be come from David’s family and be heir to his throne2 Samuel 7:12-16 (NIV) When your days are over and you rest with your
    fathers, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, who will come from your own body,
    and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and
    I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will
    be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with the rod of men, with floggings
    inflicted by men. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from
    Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever
    before me ; your throne will be established forever.’”
    Psalms 89:3-4 (NIV) You said, “I have made a covenant with my
    chosen one, I have sworn to David my servant, 4 ‘I will establish your line forever and
    make your throne firm through all generations.’” Selah
    Psalms 110:1 (NIV) Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my Lord:
    “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”
    Psalms 132:11 (NIV) The LORD swore an oath to David, a sure oath that
    he will not revoke: “One of your own descendants I will place on your throne–
    Isaiah 9:6-7 (NIV) For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and
    the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty
    God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace
    there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing
    and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of
    the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.
    Isaiah 11:1-5 (NIV) A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from
    his roots a Branch will bear fruit. 2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him– the Spirit
    of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of
    knowledge and of the fear of the LORD– 3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He
    will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears; 4
    but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for
    the poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath
    of his lips he will slay the wicked. 5 Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the
    sash around his waist.
    Jeremiah 23:5 (NIV) “The days are coming,” declares the LORD,
    “when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and
    do what is just and right in the land.

    Matthew 1:1 (NIV) A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of
    David, the son of Abraham:

    Matthew 1:6 (NIV) and Jesse the father of King David. David was the
    father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,

    Matthew 22:44 (NIV) “‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my
    right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”‘

    Mark 12:36 (NIV) David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared:
    “‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under
    your feet.”‘

    Luke 1:69-70 (NIV) He has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the
    house of his servant David 70 (as he said through his holy prophets of long ago),

    Luke 2:4-7 (NIV) So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in
    Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and
    line of David. 5 He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him
    and was expecting a child. 6 While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born,
    7 and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in
    a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.

    Luke 20:42-44 (NIV) David himself declares in the Book of Psalms:
    “‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand 43 until I make your enemies a
    footstool for your feet.”‘ 44 David calls him ‘Lord.’ How then can he be his
    son?”

    John 7:42 (NIV) Does not the Scripture say that the Christ will come
    from David’s family and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?”

    Revelation 22:16 (NIV) “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you
    this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright
    Morning Star.”

    “Elijah” would come just prior to JesusMalachi 4:5 (NIV) “See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before
    that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.
    Malachi 3:1 (NIV) “See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare
    the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the
    messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the LORD Almighty.
    Isaiah 40:3-5 (NIV) A voice of one calling: “In the desert prepare
    the way for the LORD ; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God. 4 Every
    valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground shall become
    level, the rugged places a plain. 5 And the glory of the LORD will be revealed, and all
    mankind together will see it. For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.”

    Matthew 3:1-3 (NIV) In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in
    the Desert of Judea 2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.” 3
    This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah: “A voice of one calling in
    the desert, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.’”

    Matthew 11:10-14 (NIV) This is the one about whom it is written:
    “‘I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.’ 11 I
    tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John
    the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the
    days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing,
    and forceful men lay hold of it. 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until
    John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.

    Mark 1:2-3 (NIV) It is written in Isaiah the prophet: “I will send
    my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way”– 3 “a voice of one
    calling in the desert, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.’”

    Luke 1:17 (NIV) And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and
    power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient
    to the wisdom of the righteous–to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

    Luke 3:2-6 (NIV) during the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the
    word of God came to John son of Zechariah in the desert. 3 He went into all the country
    around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 4 As is
    written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet: “A voice of one calling in
    the desert, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him. 5 Every valley
    shall be filled in, every mountain and hill made low. The crooked roads shall become
    straight, the rough ways smooth. 6 And all mankind will see God’s salvation.’”

    Luke 7:27 (NIV) This is the one about whom it is written: “‘I will
    send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.’

    John 1:23 (NIV) John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet,
    “I am the voice of one calling in the desert, ‘Make straight the way for the
    Lord.’”

    Jesus would be born in BethlehemMicah 5:1 (NIV) Marshal your troops, O city of troops, for a siege is
    laid against us. They will strike Israel’s ruler on the cheek with a rod. 2 “But you,
    Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come
    for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient
    times.”

    Matthew 2:1 (NIV) After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during
    the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem

    Matthew 2:6 (NIV) “‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are
    by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will be
    the shepherd of my people Israel.’”

    Luke 2:4-7 (NIV) So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in
    Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and
    line of David. 5 He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him
    and was expecting a child. 6 While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born,
    7 and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in
    a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.

    John 7:42 (NIV) Does not the Scripture say that the Christ will come
    from David’s family and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?”

    Jesus would be born of a virgin and called ImmanuelIsaiah 7:14 (NIV) Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The
    virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

    Matthew 1:18-2:1 (NIV) This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came
    about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together,
    she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was
    a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to
    divorce her quietly. 20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to
    him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as
    your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give
    birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people
    from their sins.” 22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through
    the prophet: 23 “The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they
    will call him Immanuel” –which means, “God with us.” 24 When Joseph woke
    up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25
    But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name
    Jesus. 2:1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi
    from the east came to Jerusalem

    Luke 1:26-35 (NIV) In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to
    Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a
    descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said,
    “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.” 29 Mary was
    greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the
    angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. 31 You
    will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. 32 He
    will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the
    throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his
    kingdom will never end.” 34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel,
    “since I am a virgin?” 35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come
    upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born
    will be called the Son of God.

    Jesus would proclaim a JubileeIsaiah 58:6 (NIV) “Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen:
    to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed
    free and break every yoke?
    Isaiah 61:1 (NIV) The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because
    the LORD has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the
    brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the
    prisoners,

    Luke 4:16-21 (NIV) He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up,
    and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to
    read. 17 The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the
    place where it is written: 18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has
    anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the
    prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, 19 to proclaim
    the year of the Lord’s favor.” 20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the
    attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, 21 and
    he began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

    Kings would bow down to JesusPsalms 72:10-11 (NIV) The kings of Tarshish and of distant shores will
    bring tribute to him; the kings of Sheba and Seba will present him gifts. 11 All kings
    will bow down to him and all nations will serve him.

    Matthew 2:1-11 (NIV) After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during
    the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked, “Where is
    the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to
    worship him.” 3 When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with
    him. 4 When he had called together all the people’s chief priests and teachers of the law,
    he asked them where the Christ was to be born. 5 “In Bethlehem in Judea,” they
    replied, “for this is what the prophet has written: 6 “‘But you, Bethlehem, in
    the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will
    come a ruler who will be the shepherd of my people Israel.’” 7 Then Herod called the
    Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. 8 He sent them
    to Bethlehem and said, “Go and make a careful search for the child. As soon as you
    find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.” 9 After they had heard
    the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen in the east went ahead of
    them until it stopped over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they
    were overjoyed. 11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and
    they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with
    gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh.

    Bethlehem’s children would be killed at Jesus’ ComingGenesis 35:19-20 (NIV) So Rachel died and was buried on the way to
    Ephrath (that is, Bethlehem). 20 Over her tomb Jacob set up a pillar, and to this day that
    pillar marks Rachel’s tomb.
    Genesis 48:7 (NIV) As I was returning from Paddan, to my sorrow Rachel
    died in the land of Canaan while we were still on the way, a little distance from Ephrath.
    So I buried her there beside the road to Ephrath” (that is, Bethlehem).
    Jeremiah 31:15 (NIV) This is what the LORD says: “A voice is heard
    in Ramah, mourning and great weeping, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be
    comforted, because her children are no more.”

    Matthew 2:16-18 (NIV) When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by
    the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its
    vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from
    the Magi. 17 Then what was said through the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled: 18 “A
    voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and
    refusing to be comforted, because they are no more.”

    Jesus would live in EgyptHosea 11:1 (NIV) “When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of
    Egypt I called my son.

    Matthew 2:14-15 (NIV) So he got up, took the child and his mother
    during the night and left for Egypt, 15 where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so
    was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called my
    son.”

    Jesus would live in GalileeIsaiah 9:1-2 (NIV) Nevertheless, there will be no more gloom for those
    who were in distress. In the past he humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali,
    but in the future he will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by the way of the sea, along the
    Jordan– 2 The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the
    land of the shadow of death a light has dawned.

    Matthew 4:13-16 (NIV) Leaving Nazareth, he went and lived in Capernaum,
    which was by the lake in the area of Zebulun and Naphtali– 14 to fulfill what was said
    through the prophet Isaiah: 15 “Land of Zebulun and land of Naphtali, the way to the
    sea, along the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles– 16 the people living in darkness have
    seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has
    dawned.”

    Jesus would bind up the brokenhearted, proclaim liberty to the captives
    and announce the acceptable year of the Lord
    Isaiah 61:1-2 (NIV) The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because
    the LORD has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the
    brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the
    prisoners, 2 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor and the day of vengeance of our God,
    to comfort all who mourn,

    Luke 4:18-21 (NIV) “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he
    has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for
    the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, 19 to
    proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” 20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back
    to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him,
    21 and he began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your
    hearing.”

    Jesus would heal people of disease and sicknessIsaiah 53:4 (NIV) Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our
    sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted.
    Isaiah 35:5-6 (NIV) Then will the eyes of the blind be opened and the
    ears of the deaf unstopped. 6 Then will the lame leap like a deer, and the mute tongue
    shout for joy. Water will gush forth in the wilderness and streams in the desert.
    Isaiah 42:18 (NIV) “Hear, you deaf; look, you blind, and see!

    Matthew 8:16-17 (NIV) When evening came, many who were demon-possessed
    were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick. 17
    This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: “He took up our
    infirmities and carried our diseases.”

    Matthew 11:5 (NIV) The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who
    have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached
    to the poor.

    Jesus would teach in parablesIsaiah 6:9-10 (NIV) He said, “Go and tell this people: “‘Be
    ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’ 10 Make the
    heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they
    might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn
    and be healed.”
    Psalms 78:2 (NIV) I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter hidden
    things, things from of old–

    Matthew 13:11-15 (NIV) He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets
    of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be
    given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be
    taken from him. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do
    not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14 In them is fulfilled the
    prophecy of Isaiah: “‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be
    ever seeing but never perceiving. 15 For this people’s heart has become calloused; they
    hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see
    with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would
    heal them.’

    Matthew 13:34-35 (NIV) Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in
    parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable. 35 So was fulfilled
    what was spoken through the prophet: “I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter
    things hidden since the creation of the world.”

    Jesus would be tender and compassionateIsaiah 40:11 (NIV) He tends his flock like a shepherd: He gathers the
    lambs in his arms and carries them close to his heart; he gently leads those that have
    young.
    Isaiah 42:3 (NIV) A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering
    wick he will not snuff out. In faithfulness he will bring forth justice;

    Matthew 12:15-21 (NIV) Aware of this, Jesus withdrew from that place.
    Many followed him, and he healed all their sick, 16 warning them not to tell who he was.
    17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: 18 “Here is my
    servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on
    him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations. 19 He will not quarrel or cry out; no
    one will hear his voice in the streets. 20 A bruised reed he will not break, and a
    smoldering wick he will not snuff out, till he leads justice to victory. 21 In his name
    the nations will put their hope.”

    Hebrews 4:15 (NIV) For we do not have a high priest who is unable to
    sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as
    we are–yet was without sin.

    Jesus would be meek and humbleIsaiah 42:2 (NIV) He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in
    the streets.

    Matthew 12:15-21 (NIV) Aware of this, Jesus withdrew from that place.
    Many followed him, and he healed all their sick, 16 warning them not to tell who he was.
    17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: 18 “Here is my
    servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on
    him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations. 19 He will not quarrel or cry out; no
    one will hear his voice in the streets. 20 A bruised reed he will not break, and a
    smoldering wick he will not snuff out, till he leads justice to victory. 21 In his name
    the nations will put their hope.”

    Jesus would be sinless and without guileIsaiah 53:9 (NIV) He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the
    rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.

    1 Peter 2:22 (NIV) “He committed no sin, and no deceit was found
    in his mouth.”

    Jesus would bear the reproaches due othersIsaiah 53:12 (NIV) Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made
    intercession for the transgressors.
    Psalms 69:9-10 (NIV) for zeal for your house consumes me, and the
    insults of those who insult you fall on me. 10 When I weep and fast, I must endure scorn;

    Romans 15:3 (NIV) For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is
    written: “The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me.”

    Jesus would make a triumphal entry into Jerusalem on a donkeyIsaiah 62:11 (NIV) The LORD has made proclamation to the ends of the
    earth: “Say to the Daughter of Zion, ‘See, your Savior comes! See, his reward is with
    him, and his recompense accompanies him.’”
    Zechariah 9:9 (NIV) Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout,
    Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle
    and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.
    Psalms 118:26 (NIV) Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD.
    From the house of the LORD we bless you.

    Matthew 21:1-9 (NIV) As they approached Jerusalem and came to Bethphage
    on the Mount of Olives, Jesus sent two disciples, 2 saying to them, “Go to the
    village ahead of you, and at once you will find a donkey tied there, with her colt by her.
    Untie them and bring them to me. 3 If anyone says anything to you, tell him that the Lord
    needs them, and he will send them right away.” 4 This took place to fulfill what was
    spoken through the prophet: 5 “Say to the Daughter of Zion, ‘See, your king comes to
    you, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.’” 6 The
    disciples went and did as Jesus had instructed them. 7 They brought the donkey and the
    colt, placed their cloaks on them, and Jesus sat on them. 8 A very large crowd spread
    their cloaks on the road, while others cut branches from the trees and spread them on the
    road. 9 The crowds that went ahead of him and those that followed shouted, “Hosanna
    to the Son of David!” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”
    “Hosanna in the highest!”

    Mark 11:1-11 (NIV) As they approached Jerusalem and came to Bethphage
    and Bethany at the Mount of Olives, Jesus sent two of his disciples, 2 saying to them,
    “Go to the village ahead of you, and just as you enter it, you will find a colt tied
    there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. 3 If anyone asks you,
    ‘Why are you doing this?’ tell him, ‘The Lord needs it and will send it back here
    shortly.’” 4 They went and found a colt outside in the street, tied at a doorway. As
    they untied it, 5 some people standing there asked, “What are you doing, untying that
    colt?” 6 They answered as Jesus had told them to, and the people let them go. 7 When
    they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their cloaks over it, he sat on it. 8 Many people
    spread their cloaks on the road, while others spread branches they had cut in the fields.
    9 Those who went ahead and those who followed shouted, “Hosanna! ” “Blessed
    is he who comes in the name of the Lord!” 10 “Blessed is the coming kingdom of
    our father David!” “Hosanna in the highest!” 11 Jesus entered Jerusalem and
    went to the temple. He looked around at everything, but since it was already late, he went
    out to Bethany with the Twelve.

    John 12:12-16 (NIV) The next day the great crowd that had come for the
    Feast heard that Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem. 13 They took palm branches and went
    out to meet him, shouting, “Hosanna! ” “Blessed is he who comes in the name
    of the Lord!” “Blessed is the King of Israel!” 14 Jesus found a young
    donkey and sat upon it, as it is written, 15 “Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion;
    see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey’s colt.” 16 At first his disciples did
    not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things
    had been written about him and that they had done these things to him.

    Jesus would enter the Temple with authorityHaggai 2:7-9 (NIV) I will shake all nations, and the desired of all
    nations will come, and I will fill this house with glory,’ says the LORD Almighty. 8 ‘The
    silver is mine and the gold is mine,’ declares the LORD Almighty. 9 ‘The glory of this
    present house will be greater than the glory of the former house,’ says the LORD Almighty.
    ‘And in this place I will grant peace,’ declares the LORD Almighty.”
    Malachi 3:1 (NIV) “See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare
    the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the
    messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the LORD Almighty.

    Matthew 21:12 (NIV) Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who
    were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the
    benches of those selling doves.

    Luke 2:27-38 (NIV) Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts.
    When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law
    required, 28 Simeon took him in his arms and praised God, saying: 29 “Sovereign Lord,
    as you have promised, you now dismiss your servant in peace. 30 For my eyes have seen your
    salvation, 31 which you have prepared in the sight of all people, 32 a light for
    revelation to the Gentiles and for glory to your people Israel.” 33 The child’s
    father and mother marveled at what was said about him. 34 Then Simeon blessed them and
    said to Mary, his mother: “This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of
    many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against, 35 so that the thoughts of
    many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your own soul too.” 36 There
    was also a prophetess, Anna, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was very
    old; she had lived with her husband seven years after her marriage, 37 and then was a
    widow until she was eighty-four. She never left the temple but worshiped night and day,
    fasting and praying. 38 Coming up to them at that very moment, she gave thanks to God and
    spoke about the child to all who were looking forward to the redemption of Jerusalem.

    Luke 2:45-50 (NIV) When they did not find him, they went back to
    Jerusalem to look for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple courts,
    sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who
    heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 When his parents saw him,
    they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like
    this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.” 49 “Why were you
    searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s
    house?” 50 But they did not understand what he was saying to them

    John 2:13-22 (NIV) When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover,
    Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and
    doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords,
    and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the
    money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get
    these out of here! How dare you turn my Father’s house into a market!” 17 His
    disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for your house will consume me.”
    18 Then the Jews demanded of him, “What miraculous sign can you show us to prove your
    authority to do all this?” 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I
    will raise it again in three days.” 20 The Jews replied, “It has taken forty-six
    years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21 But the
    temple he had spoken of was his body. 22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples
    recalled what he had said. Then they believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus had
    spoken.

    Jesus would be hated without reasonIsaiah 49:7 (NIV) This is what the LORD says– the Redeemer and Holy
    One of Israel– to him who was despised and abhorred by the nation, to the servant of
    rulers: “Kings will see you and rise up, princes will see and bow down, because of
    the LORD, who is faithful, the Holy One of Israel, who has chosen you.”
    Psalms 69:4 (NIV) Those who hate me without reason outnumber the hairs
    of my head; many are my enemies without cause, those who seek to destroy me. I am forced
    to restore what I did not steal.

    John 15:24-25 (NIV) If I had not done among them what no one else did,
    they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have
    hated both me and my Father. 25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They
    hated me without reason.’

    Jesus would be rejected by the JewsPsalms 69:4 (NIV) Those who hate me without reason outnumber the hairs
    of my head; many are my enemies without cause, those who seek to destroy me. I am forced
    to restore what I did not steal.
    Psalm 69:8 (NIV) I am a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my own
    mother’s sons;
    Isaiah 6:10 (NIV) Make the heart of this people calloused; make their
    ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their
    ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.”
    Isaiah 29:13 (NIV) The Lord says: “These people come near to me
    with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their
    worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.
    Isaiah 53:3 (NIV) He was despised and rejected by men, a man of
    sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was
    despised, and we esteemed him not.
    Isaiah 63:1-6 (NIV) Who is this coming from Edom, from Bozrah, with his
    garments stained crimson? Who is this, robed in splendor, striding forward in the
    greatness of his strength? “It is I, speaking in righteousness, mighty to save.”
    2 Why are your garments red, like those of one treading the winepress? 3 “I have
    trodden the winepress alone; from the nations no one was with me. I trampled them in my
    anger and trod them down in my wrath; their blood spattered my garments, and I stained all
    my clothing. 4 For the day of vengeance was in my heart, and the year of my redemption has
    come. 5 I looked, but there was no one to help, I was appalled that no one gave support;
    so my own arm worked salvation for me, and my own wrath sustained me. 6 I trampled the
    nations in my anger; in my wrath I made them drunk and poured their blood on the
    ground.”

    Matthew 15:1-9 (NIV) Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came
    to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of
    the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!” 3 Jesus replied, “And
    why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor
    your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’
    5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, ‘Whatever help you might
    otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,’ 6 he is not to ‘honor his
    father ‘ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You
    hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 “‘These people honor me
    with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their
    teachings are but rules taught by men.’”

    Mark 6:3 (NIV) Isn’t this the carpenter? Isn’t this Mary’s son and the
    brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren’t his sisters here with us?” And they
    took offense at him.

    Mark 7:6-7 (NIV) He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied
    about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but
    their hearts are far from me. 7 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules
    taught by men.’

    Luke 9:58 (NIV) Jesus replied, “Foxes have holes and birds of the
    air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”

    John 1:11 (NIV) He came to that which was his own, but his own did not
    receive him.

    John 7:3-5 (NIV) Jesus’ brothers said to him, “You ought to leave
    here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do. 4 No one who
    wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show
    yourself to the world.” 5 For even his own brothers did not believe in him.

    John 12:38-40 (NIV) This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:
    “Lord, who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been
    revealed?” 39 For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says
    elsewhere: 40 “He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can
    neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn–and I would heal
    them.”

    John 15:25 (NIV) But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law:
    ‘They hated me without reason.’

    Jesus would be rejected by the Jewish leadershipPsalms 118:22 (NIV) The stone the builders rejected has become the
    capstone;

    Matthew 21:42-46 (NIV) Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in
    the Scriptures: “‘The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone ; the Lord
    has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 “Therefore I tell you that the
    kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its
    fruit. 44 He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls
    will be crushed.” 45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables,
    they knew he was talking about them. 46 They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were
    afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

    Mark 12:10-11 (NIV) Haven’t you read this scripture: “‘The stone
    the builders rejected has become the capstone ; 11 the Lord has done this, and it is
    marvelous in our eyes’?”

    Luke 20:17 (NIV) Jesus looked directly at them and asked, “Then
    what is the meaning of that which is written: “‘The stone the builders rejected has
    become the capstone ‘?

    John 7:48-49 (NIV) “Has any of the rulers or of the Pharisees
    believed in him? 49 No! But this mob that knows nothing of the law–there is a curse on
    them.”

    Jesus would be plotted against by Jews and Gentiles togetherPsalms 2:1-2 (NIV) Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in
    vain? 2 The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the
    LORD and against his Anointed One.

    Acts 4:27 (NIV) Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the
    Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant
    Jesus, whom you anointed.

    Jesus would be betrayed by a friendPsalms 41:9 (NIV) Even my close friend, whom I trusted, he who shared
    my bread, has lifted up his heel against me.
    Psalms 55:12-24 (NIV) If an enemy were insulting me, I could endure it;
    if a foe were raising himself against me, I could hide from him. 13 But it is you, a man
    like myself, my companion, my close friend, 14 with whom I once enjoyed sweet fellowship
    as we walked with the throng at the house of God.

    Matthew 26:21-25 (NIV) And while they were eating, he said, “I
    tell you the truth, one of you will betray me.” 22 They were very sad and began to
    say to him one after the other, “Surely not I, Lord?” 23 Jesus replied,
    “The one who has dipped his hand into the bowl with me will betray me. 24 The Son of
    Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of
    Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.” 25 Then Judas, the one who
    would betray him, said, “Surely not I, Rabbi?” Jesus answered, “Yes, it is
    you.”

    Matthew 26:47-50 (NIV) While he was still speaking, Judas, one of the
    Twelve, arrived. With him was a large crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the
    chief priests and the elders of the people. 48 Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with
    them: “The one I kiss is the man; arrest him.” 49 Going at once to Jesus, Judas
    said, “Greetings, Rabbi!” and kissed him. 50 Jesus replied, “Friend, do
    what you came for.” Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him.

    John 13:18-30 (NIV) “I am not referring to all of you; I know
    those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill the scripture: ‘He who shares my bread has
    lifted up his heel against me.’ 19 “I am telling you now before it happens, so that
    when it does happen you will believe that I am He. 20 I tell you the truth, whoever
    accepts anyone I send accepts me; and whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent
    me.” 21 After he had said this, Jesus was troubled in spirit and testified, “I
    tell you the truth, one of you is going to betray me.” 22 His disciples stared at one
    another, at a loss to know which of them he meant. 23 One of them, the disciple whom Jesus
    loved, was reclining next to him. 24 Simon Peter motioned to this disciple and said,
    “Ask him which one he means.” 25 Leaning back against Jesus, he asked him,
    “Lord, who is it?” 26 Jesus answered, “It is the one to whom I will give
    this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish.” Then, dipping the piece of
    bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, son of Simon. 27 As soon as Judas took the bread,
    Satan entered into him. “What you are about to do, do quickly,” Jesus told him,
    28 but no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him. 29 Since Judas had charge
    of the money, some thought Jesus was telling him to buy what was needed for the Feast, or
    to give something to the poor. 30 As soon as Judas had taken the bread, he went out. And
    it was night.

    Acts 1:16-18 (NIV) and said, “Brothers, the Scripture had to be
    fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning
    Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus– 17 he was one of our number and
    shared in this ministry.” 18 (With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought
    a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.

    Jesus would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silverZechariah 11:12-13 (NIV) I told them, “If you think it best, give
    me my pay; but if not, keep it.” So they paid me thirty pieces of silver. 13 And the
    LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter”–the handsome price at which they
    priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD
    to the potter.

    Matthew 26:15 (NIV) and asked, “What are you willing to give me if
    I hand him over to you?” So they counted out for him thirty silver coins.

    Matthew 27:3-10 (NIV) When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus
    was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty silver coins to the
    chief priests and the elders. 4 “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have
    betrayed innocent blood.” “What is that to us?” they replied. “That’s
    your responsibility.” 5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he
    went away and hanged himself. 6 The chief priests picked up the coins and said, “It
    is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money.” 7 So they
    decided to use the money to buy the potter’s field as a burial place for foreigners. 8
    That is why it has been called the Field of Blood to this day. 9 Then what was spoken by
    Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled: “They took the thirty silver coins, the price set
    on him by the people of Israel, 10 and they used them to buy the potter’s field, as the
    Lord commanded me.”

    Jesus would have the price for His life given to buy a potters fieldZechariah 11:13 (NIV) And the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the
    potter”–the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of
    silver and threw them into the house of the LORD to the potter.

    Matthew 27:7-10 (NIV) So they decided to use the money to buy the
    potter’s field as a burial place for foreigners. 8 That is why it has been called the
    Field of Blood to this day. 9 Then what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled:
    “They took the thirty silver coins, the price set on him by the people of Israel, 10
    and they used them to buy the potter’s field, as the Lord commanded me.”

    Jesus would be forsaken by His flockZechariah 13:7 (NIV) “Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, against
    the man who is close to me!” declares the LORD Almighty. “Strike the shepherd,
    and the sheep will be scattered, and I will turn my hand against the little ones.

    Matthew 26:31 (NIV) Then Jesus told them, “This very night you
    will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: “‘I will strike the shepherd,
    and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’

    Matthew 26:56 (NIV) But this has all taken place that the writings of
    the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.

    Jesus the shepherd would be struckZechariah 13:7 (NIV) “Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, against
    the man who is close to me!” declares the LORD Almighty. “Strike the shepherd,
    and the sheep will be scattered, and I will turn my hand against the little ones.
    Micah 5:1 (NIV) Marshal your troops, O city of troops, for a siege is
    laid against us. They will strike Israel’s ruler on the cheek with a rod.

    Matthew 27:30 (NIV) They spit on him, and took the staff and struck him
    on the head again and again.

    Matthew 26:31 (NIV) Then Jesus told them, “This very night you
    will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: “‘I will strike the shepherd,
    and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’

    Mark 14:27 (NIV) “You will all fall away,” Jesus told them,
    “for it is written: “‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be
    scattered.’

    Jesus would be spat onIsaiah 50:6 (NIV) I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to
    those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.

    Matthew 26:67 (NIV) Then they spit in his face and struck him with
    their fists. Others slapped him

    Matthew 27:30 (NIV) They spit on him, and took the staff and struck him
    on the head again and again.

    Jesus would be mockedIsaiah 50:6 (NIV) I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to
    those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.
    Psalm 22:7-8 (NIV) All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking
    their heads: 8 “He trusts in the LORD; let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him.”

    Matthew 26:67-68 (NIV) Then they spit in his face and struck him with
    their fists. Others slapped him 68 and said, “Prophesy to us, Christ. Who hit
    you?”

    Matthew 27:31 (NIV) After they had mocked him, they took off the robe
    and put his own clothes on him. Then they led him away to crucify him.

    Matthew 27:39-44 (NIV) Those who passed by hurled insults at him,
    shaking their heads 40 and saying, “You who are going to destroy the temple and build
    it in three days, save yourself! Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of
    God!” 41 In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders
    mocked him. 42 “He saved others,” they said, “but he can’t save himself!
    He’s the King of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him.
    43 He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, ‘I am the Son of
    God.’” 44 In the same way the robbers who were crucified with him also heaped insults
    on him.

    Jesus would be beatenIsaiah 50:6 (NIV) I offered my back to those who beat me, my cheeks to
    those who pulled out my beard; I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.

    Matthew 26:67 (NIV) Then they spit in his face and struck him with
    their fists. Others slapped him

    Matthew 27:26 (NIV) Then he released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus
    flogged, and handed him over to be crucified.

    Matthew 27:30 (NIV) They spit on him, and took the staff and struck him
    on the head again and again.

    Jesus would be executed by crucifixion, having His hands and feet piercedZechariah 12:10 (NIV) “And I will pour out on the house of David
    and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me,
    the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child,
    and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
    Psalms 22:16 (NIV) Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has
    encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet.

    Matthew 27:35 (NIV) When they had crucified him, they divided up his
    clothes by casting lots.

    Luke 24:39 (NIV) Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me
    and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

    John 19:18 (NIV) Here they crucified him, and with him two others–one
    on each side and Jesus in the middle.

    John 19:34-37 (NIV) Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side
    with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35 The man who saw it has given
    testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies
    so that you also may believe. 36 These things happened so that the scripture would be
    fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,” 37 and, as another scripture
    says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.”

    John 20:20-28 (NIV) After he said this, he showed them his hands and
    side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. 21 Again Jesus said,
    “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with
    that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone
    his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” 24
    Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus
    came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said
    to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails
    were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it.” 26 A week later his
    disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked,
    Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said
    to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into
    my side. Stop doubting and believe.” 28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my
    God!”

    Revelation 1:7 (NIV) Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye
    will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn
    because of him. So shall it be! Amen.

    Jesus would be thirsty during His crucifixionPsalms 22:15 (NIV) My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my
    tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth; you lay me in the dust of death.

    John 19:28 (NIV) Later, knowing that all was now completed, and so that
    the Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.”

    Jesus would be given vinegar and gallPsalms 69:21 (NIV) They put gall in my food and gave me vinegar for my
    thirst.

    Matthew 27:34 (NIV) There they offered Jesus wine to drink, mixed with
    gall; but after tasting it, he refused to drink it.

    John 19:29 (NIV) A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a
    sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips.

    Jesus the Lamb would not have a broken boneExodus 12:46 (NIV) “It must be eaten inside one house; take none
    of the meat outside the house. Do not break any of the bones.
    Numbers 9:12 (NIV) They must not leave any of it till morning or break
    any of its bones. When they celebrate the Passover, they must follow all the regulations.
    Psalms 34:20 (NIV) he protects all his bones, not one of them will be
    broken.

    John 19:31-37 (NIV) Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day
    was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses
    during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.
    32 The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified
    with Jesus, and then those of the other. 33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he
    was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced
    Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35 The man who saw it
    has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he
    testifies so that you also may believe. 36 These things happened so that the scripture
    would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,” 37 and, as another
    scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.”

    Jesus would die with transgressorsIsaiah 53:9-12 (NIV) He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with
    the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. 10
    Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes
    his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of
    the LORD will prosper in his hand. 11 After the suffering of his soul, he will see the
    light of life and be satisfied ; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made
    intercession for the transgressors.

    Matthew 27:38 (NIV) Two robbers were crucified with him, one on his
    right and one on his left.

    Luke 22:37 (NIV) It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the
    transgressors’ ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written
    about me is reaching its fulfillment.”

    Jesus’ dying words were prophesiedPsalms 22:1 (NIV) For the director of music. To the tune of “The
    Doe of the Morning.” A psalm of David. My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why
    are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning?
    Psalms 31:5 (NIV) Into your hands I commit my spirit; redeem me, O
    LORD, the God of truth.

    Matthew 27:46 (NIV) About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud
    voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?”–which means, “My God, my God, why
    have you forsaken me?”

    Mark 15:34 (NIV) And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice,
    “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?”–which means, “My God, my God, why have you
    forsaken me?”

    Luke 23:46 (NIV) Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into
    your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.

    Jesus realized that His arrest and crucifixion was fulfilling prophesy

    Matthew 26:54-56 (NIV) But how then would the Scriptures be
    fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?” 55 At that time Jesus said to the
    crowd, “Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come out with swords and clubs to
    capture me? Every day I sat in the temple courts teaching, and you did not arrest me. 56
    But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled.”
    Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.

    Jesus’ death would atone for the sins of mankindIsaiah 53:5-7 (NIV) But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was
    crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his
    wounds we are healed. 6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his
    own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed and
    afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as
    a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
    Isaiah 53:12 (NIV) Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made
    intercession for the transgressors.

    Mark 10:45 (NIV) For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but
    to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

    John 1:29 (NIV) The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said,
    “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

    John 3:16 (NIV) “For God so loved the world that he gave his one
    and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

    Acts 8:30-35 (NIV) Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man
    reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip
    asked. 31 “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So
    he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. 32 The eunuch was reading this passage of
    Scripture: “He was led like a sheep to the slaughter, and as a lamb before the
    shearer is silent, so he did not open his mouth. 33 In his humiliation he was deprived of
    justice. Who can speak of his descendants? For his life was taken from the earth.” 34
    The eunuch asked Philip, “Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself
    or someone else?” 35 Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told
    him the good news about Jesus.

    They would cast lots for Jesus’ garmentsPsalms 22:18 (NIV) They divide my garments among them and cast lots for
    my clothing.

    John 19:24 (NIV) “Let’s not tear it,” they said to one
    another. “Let’s decide by lot who will get it.” This happened that the scripture
    might be fulfilled which said, “They divided my garments among them and cast lots for
    my clothing.” So this is what the soldiers did.

    Jesus would be buried by a rich manIsaiah 53:9 (NIV) He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the
    rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.

    Matthew 27:57-60 (NIV) As evening approached, there came a rich man
    from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus. 58 Going to
    Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him. 59 Joseph
    took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 and placed it in his own new tomb
    that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the
    tomb and went away.

    Jesus would rise from the dead on the third dayGenesis 22:4 (NIV) On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place
    in the distance.
    Isaiah 53:9-10 (NIV) He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with
    the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. 10
    Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes
    his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of
    the LORD will prosper in his hand.
    Psalms 2:7 (NIV) I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me,
    “You are my Son ; today I have become your Father.
    Psalm 16:8-11 I have set the LORD always before me. Because he is at my
    right hand, I will not be shaken. 9 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my
    body also will rest secure, 10 because you will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you
    let your Holy One see decay. 11 You have made known to me the path of life; you will fill
    me with joy in your presence, with eternal pleasures at your right hand.
    Hosea 6:2 (NIV) After two days he will revive us; on the third day he
    will restore us, that we may live in his presence.
    Jonah 1:7 (NIV) Then the sailors said to each other, “Come, let us
    cast lots to find out who is responsible for this calamity.” They cast lots and the
    lot fell on Jonah.

    Matthew 12:40 (NIV) For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the
    belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart
    of the earth.

    Matthew 28:1-20 (NIV) After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of
    the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb. 2 There was a
    violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb,
    rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes
    were white as snow. 4 The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like
    dead men. 5 The angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are
    looking for Jesus, who was crucified. 6 He is not here; he has risen, just as he said.
    Come and see the place where he lay. 7 Then go quickly and tell his disciples: ‘He has
    risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.’ Now I
    have told you.” 8 So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with
    joy, and ran to tell his disciples. 9 Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he
    said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. 10 Then Jesus said to them,
    “Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see
    me.” 11 While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and
    reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. 12 When the chief priests had
    met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, 13
    telling them, “You are to say, ‘His disciples came during the night and stole him
    away while we were asleep.’ 14 If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him
    and keep you out of trouble.” 15 So the soldiers took the money and did as they were
    instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day. 16
    Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to
    go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them
    and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go
    and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son
    and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And
    surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    Luke 24:46 (NIV) He told them, “This is what is written: The
    Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,

    Acts 2:25-32 (NIV) David said about him: “‘I saw the Lord always
    before me. Because he is at my right hand, I will not be shaken. 26 Therefore my heart is
    glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will live in hope, 27 because you will not
    abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see decay. 28 You have made known
    to me the paths of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence.’ 29 “Brothers, I
    can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is
    here to this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that
    he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31 Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of
    the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body
    see decay. 32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact.

    Acts 13:33-35 (NIV) he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising
    up Jesus. As it is written in the second Psalm: “‘You are my Son; today I have become
    your Father.’ 34 The fact that God raised him from the dead, never to decay, is stated in
    these words: “‘I will give you the holy and sure blessings promised to David.’ 35 So
    it is stated elsewhere: “‘You will not let your Holy One see decay.’

    Jesus would ascend to the right hand of GodPsalms 16:11 (NIV) You have made known to me the path of life; you will
    fill me with joy in your presence, with eternal pleasures at your right hand.
    Psalm 68:18-19 (NIV) When you ascended on high, you led captives in
    your train; you received gifts from men, even from the rebellious– that you, O LORD God,
    might dwell there. 19 Praise be to the Lord, to God our Savior, who daily bears our
    burdens. Selah
    Psalms 110:1 (NIV) Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my Lord:
    “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”

    Luke 24:51 (NIV) While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken
    up into heaven.

    Acts 1:9-11 (NIV) After he said this, he was taken up before their very
    eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. 10 They were looking intently up into the sky
    as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of
    Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same
    Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have
    seen him go into heaven.”

    Acts 7:55 (NIV) But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to
    heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

    Hebrews 1:3 (NIV) The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact
    representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had
    provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

    Jesus would exercise His Priestly Office in HeavenZechariah 6:13 (NIV) It is he who will build the temple of the LORD,
    and he will be clothed with majesty and will sit and rule on his throne. And he will be a
    priest on his throne. And there will be harmony between the two.’

    Romans 8:34 (NIV) Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died–more
    than that, who was raised to life–is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for
    us.

    Hebrews 7:25-8:2 (NIV) Therefore he is able to save completely those
    who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. 26 Such a high
    priest meets our need–one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted
    above the heavens. 27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices
    day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed
    for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high
    priests men who are weak; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who
    has been made perfect forever. 8:1 The point of what we are saying is this: We do have
    such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,
    2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man.

    Jesus would be the cornerstone of God’s Messianic CommunityIsaiah 28:16 (NIV) So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: “See,
    I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the
    one who trusts will never be dismayed.
    Psalms 118:22-23 (NIV) The stone the builders rejected has become the
    capstone; 23 the LORD has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes.

    Matthew 21:42 (NIV) Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in
    the Scriptures: “‘The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone ; the Lord
    has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes’?

    Ephesians 2:20 (NIV) built on the foundation of the apostles and
    prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

    1 Peter 2:5-7 (NIV) you also, like living stones, are being built into
    a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God
    through Jesus Christ. 6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a
    chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to
    shame.” 7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not
    believe, “The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone,”

    Jesus would be sought after by GentilesIsaiah 11:10 (NIV) In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner
    for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his place of rest will be glorious.
    Isaiah 42:1 (NIV) “Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen
    one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him and he will bring justice to the
    nations

    Acts 10:45 (NIV) The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were
    astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles.

    Acts 13:46-48 (NIV) Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly:
    “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not
    consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. 47 For this is
    what the Lord has commanded us: “‘I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you
    may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.’” 48 When the Gentiles heard this, they
    were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life
    believed.

    Jesus would be accepted by the GentilesIsaiah 11:10 (NIV) In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner
    for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his place of rest will be glorious.
    Isaiah 42:1-4 (NIV) “Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen
    one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him and he will bring justice to the
    nations. 2 He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets. 3 A bruised
    reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out. In faithfulness he
    will bring forth justice; 4 he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes
    justice on earth. In his law the islands will put their hope.”
    Isaiah 49:1 (NIV) Listen to me, you islands; hear this, you distant
    nations: Before I was born the LORD called me; from my birth he has made mention of my
    name.
    Isaiah 49:12 (NIV) See, they will come from afar– some from the north,
    some from the west, some from the region of Aswan.”
    Matthew 12:15-21 (NIV) Aware of this, Jesus withdrew from that place.
    Many followed him, and he healed all their sick, 16 warning them not to tell who he was.
    17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: 18 “Here is my
    servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on
    him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations. 19 He will not quarrel or cry out; no
    one will hear his voice in the streets. 20 A bruised reed he will not break, and a
    smoldering wick he will not snuff out, till he leads justice to victory. 21 In his name
    the nations will put their hope.”
    Romans 9:30 (NIV) What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did
    not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith;
    Romans 10:20 (NIV) And Isaiah boldly says, “I was found by those
    who did not seek me; I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me.”
    Romans 11:11 (NIV) Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond
    recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the
    Gentiles to make Israel envious.
    Romans 15:10 (NIV) Again, it says, “Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his
    people.”

  • I dont have evidence of a lot of things.

  • Nobody said that genius. =_= Learn to read before you call anyone else stupid, dumb fuck.
    What I said was this.
    Shut.
    The fuck.
    Up.

    Mk?

    Damn

  • There is very reliable historical evidence of the man called Jesus (who was indeed considered by many to be the messiah ) and his existence and death. What there is little evidence of is his resurrection.

  • This is not about whether Jesus was son of God or not. Tis whether he existed in the world. The Bible should not be looked at for evidence, as it is blaitantly biased. However, non-biblical evidence is usually reliable and it says that a person called Jesus existed. Son of God or not, he was around.

    Bible people: Dont just look to that book for everything, sheesh. Have some objectiveness and look elsewhere, the Bible is a religious text and so of course is going to say that Jesus was son of god and existed and whatnot. Look at other things too. Look at the Qu’ran, and other texts of the time.

  • Depends on what you consider to be evidence.

  • The Bible..The fool says in his heart,there is no God Ps 14:1 

  • check out the fall of the Roman Empire and the resurrection (eventually) of the rights of man!  I mean, you may say….not connected.  I say, not so!  christianity ushered in the most astonishing period of all human history.  I think because of the amazing love He showed. 

    Evidence.

  • Dear Dan,

    I just spent an enjoyable few moments reading the comments. You know, you really should collect data and post charts and graphs detailing how the “Xangavox Populi” leans in their response to your questions. Esp. when they divide people as cleanly as this discussion. Your question seems innocent enough. Do “we” have proof of Jesus existence through evidence? Evidently not. We’re on the internet. We can point to Wikipedia or any “reference of choice’ to support any argument we wish to align ourselves with. After 2000 years, history rewrites itself so much that in reality, do we have any proof? Shroud of Turin? Ancient Biblical scrolls? 2000 years from now, will some “Theologian’s Cafe” site of the future ask about the veracity of existence of a social networking site called Xanga? Will old DVDs of  ”reality shows” be the basis on which future generations of humans (if any still exist) point to the veracity of any or our existences here on earth in the early part of the 21st century?

    History lies. The Bible has been continually rewritten to suit the ruling religious elite. I think that a physical person named Yeshua lived in the area of Jordan around 2000 years ago. There seems to be a lot of references on which this “fact” can be based. There is a little skeptical voice inside my head that wonders why we don’t seem to have any written record, in the Gospels or otherwise, of his first 30 years on the planet. He was born in a manger, and then suddenly is preaching a “Gospel” of love and peace. Sort of like the first hippie.

    Here in the Xangasphere, we can rant and rave, we can postulate, we can discuss. I love the way some of the comments dissect the words on other comments, and I believe this is healthy.

    At the end, I don’t think I have read any real “answer” to the question. My answer will be: Sure. I think Jesus existed. Was he the Son of God? (This question wasn’t asked by you, but is certainly part and parcel of the “real” discussion) Sure. We all are. Every soul is a part of the Universal. Was Jesus divine and born of a virgin? Why not. Maybe. If I wrote that I don’t care, I’m sure I would be lambasted or at best told that I shouldn’t think of seeking salvation around the time of the rapture.

    One drawback of being able to see all sides of any question is that one might be seen as a fence sitter or derided for not being able to make a stand. I pray to Jesus. I personally feel he was one of the greatest teachers and prophets of history. I also feel that Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was similarly a great teacher. He was liviing during a time in which the “swords” of his rhetoric were right then perhaps but might be taken wrongly (and are)  today. I don’t know about Moroni or Mormon. I’ll have to get back to you on that. I believe Joseph Smith believed he was spoken to by God.

    If we listen, God speaks to all of us. I could tell you that I have had epiphanies and I believe that perhaps a lot of what happened in the written stories of the Bible could be true and some of it is clearly meant to  be metaphorical. I can direct you to a lot of Christian websites where the theology is dissected down to the “letter”. But that isn’t what you asked.

    No real evidence. Believing with no real evidence could be the definition of another word: faith. If you have faith, you don’t need evidence.

    Jesus walked the face of the Earth. He was a great teacher, touched by God and possibly born divine. We don’t really know for sure. However, those who don’t believe aren’t doomed to an eternity in hell either, because hell doesn’t exist. Or maybe it does, but it isn’t the end all and be all. That would be the Universal MInd, of which we are all a part.

    I’ve had an enjoyable visit. I like the Christmas layout a lot. And I wish you the Happiest of Holidays and a very Happy New Year. I wish that to all your many readers in the Xangasphere, no matter what their race, religion, creed, or side taken on any question you dare to ask. I sure would like to see a meter on each entry at some point. Maybe John, Sean, Chris or another on the Team can work on it.

    Michael F. Nyiri, poet, philosopher, fool

  • I am pretty positive that he was in a Roman census.

  • ignorance makes me sad

  • That sounds just like a classic mob against huggin: when someone comes to stand against your belief, you gotta knock him down.  Hmmmmmm, didn’t that happen to Jesus?

  • I haven’t seen any.
    But he probably did.
    He just definitely wasn’t supernatural in any sense.

  • I’m not a history buff.  But I’ve heard of biblical evidence of many of the stories in the bible.

    The Bible says He existed.  It also says it takes FAITH to believe in Jesus.  Therefore, we will never have concrete evidence for many things in the Bible because then the need for faith would no longer exist.

  • Nice Red Holiday Background there Dan !!

    I think the Shroud of Turan is Proof !

    But I was raised a Roman Catholic- so I just believe, Don’t need Proof !

  • You can’t prove to non-believers that Jesus existed.  Believers see proof everywhere. 

  • Uhm… yes, Jesus the Man existed. Jesus, the Christian Prophet existed. There’s plenty of evidence to it, just watch the History Chanel or even check out a history text at your local library.

    Jesus, the son of God? That’s up for debate. I personally do believe he was the son of God but not everyone does. Granted that I respect that, I still think it’s a bit rediculous what they do in schools to prohibit Christmas in California. Children are not allowed to say “Merry Christmas,” to their friends or other children or teachers and will have a stern talkin’ to if they do u_u;

    At the same time they pull this sort of crap on some kid that probably doesn’t even know what he’s saying when he says he doesn’t believe in Jesus? It’s just all so silly to me.

    Cripes, let the kid in on the play, and let the other kids say Merry Freakin’ Christmas >_>

  • There are plenty of non-Christian references bolstering the existence of Jesus from mostly Roman and Jewish historians…Tacitus, Lucian, Pliny (Older or Younger I can’t remember), Josephus, the Talmud. But it all comes down to a matter of faith.

    Merry CHRISTmas

  • that’s dumb. i’m reading the case for christ now and there is so much evidence outside of the bible that jesus existed, even if he wasn’t God [which i believe he is].

  • BFSMiniD-” yet most people believe that Caesar Augustus existed but not Jesus.  How about that?”

    Most people do believe that Jesus existed… The ones who don’t believe are in the minority and tend to ignore an overwhelming amount of evidence that he did exist.

    And for those saying the Shroud of Turin is proof enough…. Why choose something that most likely was made in the medieval ages as the proof you value the most?

  • huginn:
    “Those who don’t believe have been left unimpressed by the evidence. Those who do beleive liked the evidene.”

    and

    “Jesus, as depicted by the Bible, did pretty extraordinary things. Miracles certainly don’t exist now. “

    I have been impressed by miracles that do occur regularly now.  I have seen both believers and non-believers healed on several occasions, a falling stool stop at a 45 degree angle (with a child on it) and right itself and a car disappear from one location and reappear in another, all when God was called upon.  Not to mention knowing several people personally who have been inexplicably healed. Without giving you a run down of what I believe specifically I would ask you to believe me when I tell you I do not blindly or ignorantly follow any religion or religious practices because that’s what I was told to do or because I’m scared of going to hell but believe strictly because of the physical evidence I have witnessed that can not be explained any other way.  In fact, I haven’t been to church in years.  Because of those  events  in my life  I believe in God and Jesus and choose to follow his teaching and believe the super natural happening the Bible depicts.
    If anyone would like to hear the stories feel free to contact me and I will be more than happy to regale you.

    Quite frankly, evolution and the 6,000 year old view points are neither one logical.  I am a creationist because this world around us is to amazing for it to just have happened on a fluke.  Why would mud need to evolve?  God is so much bigger than man can imagine.  7 day creation?  Who is to say how long one of God’s days is?  Millions of years…an instant?

    Bible true or false?  Many historical events in the Bible have been proven true.  As a Christian I also believe than many of stories have been changed and mistranslated…it’s the nature of humans and time.  I trust God to lead me in  what he wants me to  pull from the Bible.

    In regards to the issue of “If I am right you go to hell…if you are right I lived a good life”.  It seems many atheist, agnostics and other religions view a pious life as being a wasted one of denial and various methods of flagellation.  God tells us to take joy in the things of life he has made for us and to have peace.  He doesn’t tell us not to enjoy food, just don’t be gluttonous.  How can a life be wasted if you feel you have enjoyed it, been a good person and have positive things to show for it?  I find that the greatest issue people have is that Christianity teaches us to not be promiscuous and  to wait for  our husband or wife.   This is just good sense in some ways.  It would save a lot of people a lot of grief if they would keep their pants on more often, for whatever reason.

    It makes me angry how my fellow Christians have locked themselves away behind the steeple instead of embracing the world.  If Jesus were alive today he wouldn’t be holding hands with a bunch of deacons trying to get the money for more cushy pews but he would be out with everyone, LOVING everyone…not condemning but welcoming and encouraging.  The “salt of the Earth” should not be left sealed in a jar and unused.
    It sickens me that so many Christ-ians have no clue as to the true meaning of the term and thus have set a stereo type  few want to be part of. 

    The very best I can do is to love everyone, share with them the positive, wonderful things God has done in my life and hope they  appreciate my reasoning enough to believe.

  • For everybody who says “The bible is evidence” That’s like me saying “Greek Myths! They were written centuries ago, they must be true stories! There are statues and shrines for them too!” I’m pretty sure we can say without a doubt those were just myths. I’m sure there’s some things in the bible that are true like the cities were obviously real places, and some of the people have been found recorded in other ancient writing, but some things probably shouldn’t be taken too literally. Jesus being real? Possibly. Being the son of God… a little harder to prove.

    Has anybody considered the fact that we find what we believe is real? If the number one religion was Islam instead of Christianity would we suddenly be finding Islamic relics and trying to prove their stories everywhere we looked? Let’s not forget that there’s thousands of people who believe Noah’s Ark is sitting on a mountain somewhere in the Himalayas right now. If we didn’t have that story, would we even care about an obscure satellite photo? Probably not…

  • But then again, you don’t need proof to believe in something. It’s just faith. I think faith is all anybody needs. They don’t need a book or a name for a god, just a simple belief that somebody is watching out for them.

  • evidence that he existed, yes.

  • Interesting comments. But I am struck by the fact that no one seems to think He still exists and acts now. For me that is the decisive proof: His action (by the Holy Spirit) in human hearts.
    About the Bible, it is always a divisive book, for the same reason Jesus divides . It’s difficult to understand the incarnation, how something can truly be human and divine at the same time.

  • With the Bible, I’m sure there’s other evidence to support the fact that Jesus existed.  And I don’t care what anyone else says; Jesus is the real deal.  If a kid doesn’t want to believe in Jesus, he doesn’t believe in Jesus.  You can’t force someone to love God or to accept Christ as their savior.  It has to come from that person–they have to want it.  What irks me, though, is that people still celebrate Christmas even though they don’t believe that Christ ever existed…you wouldn’t be celebrating Christmas if it weren’t for him!!  Those two weeks off of school and few days off of work…you might not have those if it weren’t for Christmas.  (I want to make it clear that I am not discriminatory against Hanukkah or any other holiday celebration; they also have influence over holiday break)

  • sakura

    What irks me, though, is that people still celebrate Christmas even though they don’t believe that Christ ever existed…you wouldn’t be celebrating Christmas if it weren’t for him!! 

    An event’s signifcance and meaning often extends far beyond its origins. Halloween has grown to be more than a pagan holiday. Veteran’s day became a general celebration of this country’s veteran’s– not just those from WW I. Likewise, Christmas, in some of its incarnations, have become secularized.

    I trade gifts with friends and have egg nog latte’s at Starbucks, but that doesn’t mean I have to acknowledge baby Jesus as my lord and savior.

  • I am a history major.    we DO have evidence.  He is a figure in university World History courses.  I would say, yes, we do.  They teach that Jesus was born and had influence.  He is referred to in other historical accounts besides the Bible.  And you can say that the Bible is bullshit, but it’s actually looked at as a historical document.  It’s not thought that is completely accurate but many of the dates, people, etc. mentioned are so accurate that they are crucial to understanding history.

  • even non-christian historians say the man “Jesus” existed, though many think he was just a man, and not actually “Christ”. The man-Jesus cannot be disproven.

    As for the Christ-part it seems its up to us to have faith, though the Bible tells stories of even unbelieving people realising he was Christ.

  • sakura7546-”What irks me, though, is that people still celebrate Christmas even though they don’t believe that Christ ever existed”

    Do you celebrate Halloween?

    We wouldn’t have Christmas if the Romans hadn’t adapted pagan holidays to coincide with Christian events either.

  • yup. the bible. believe it or not. i’m sure there are other things. i’d love to study that.

  • maybe we dont ahve actual evidence,
    but through personal experience,
    i know that there is a Jesus,
    and he is responsible for part of who i am today.

  • No, there is no evidence that Jesus ever existed, as a man or as the Son of God. I find it interesting that those who say there is simply say it and don’t take the time to give their examples.
    If there were evidence, then faith would be unnecessary, and it was always my understanding that the Christian religion relies on faith.

  • ^^^ Except that I didn’t read all of your comments, lol. Fortunately, the examples are worn-out.
    :D

  • Jesus Help! Hope its not true

    X-ray machine, X-ray apron Scheme:

    This is a very scary story which I’ve heard many times…

    Dental fraud may be small potatoes compared to its medical counterpart. But you still can’t afford to ignore it.

    Dental Assistants [D.As] & X-ray machine, X-ray apron scheme abuse on patients.

    These professional criminals are- D.As & >>> secretaries <<>> doctor’s patient <<>> patient in the waiting-room <<< plus a close-by business to the dentist’s office [for cover] which are all part of the scheme

    synchronizing rouge appointments for dental cleaning patients with the doctor’s schedule… and making sure the dentist is distracted as well

    the waiting-room patient hands over a fake x-ray apron to D.As then taking an x-ray of the dental cleaning patients. Also sneeking in by taking unauthorized x-rays

    Also turning off the bell with a fake bell sound, controlled by either the secretary in the main office or by the person in the waiting-room

    This practice is absolute scary. This can disable/stroke/brain cancer/internal organs and thyroid damage. Under the authority by many large corporations to save money from paying out Company pensions to the retirees to save money

    These professional D.As are hired & put in the workforce by these large corporations without the knowledge of the dental community

    The Cos. track their employees through the dental assocation databases. The offices are probably populated by these rouge criminals, I would not be surprised if these D.As tamper with the dental tools etc… Hospitals are another place for rouge schemes

    The moral of the story, is that these corporate bums need ways to save money big time to survive & the best ways is to Eliminate big expenses

    Merry Christmas

  • IssyMay is right:
    “I’ve never heard a credible historian say otherwise. The fact that Jesus was a historical person is usually not even debated.”
    There is more evidence for Jesus than there is for other “religious” people. And not only in “the Bible”, but in other historical documents as well…

  • absolutely not!
    http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

    Check for there for evidence on his non-existence.

  • and wow after reading the comments I’m very unimpressed at the lack of accurately educated people.

  • i don’t know if there’s any evidence that jesus did exist, but i believe that he did, even though i’m not christian and his existance doesn’t affect me in any way, shape, or form.

  • there’s more written evidence for the existance of jesus than for the existance of george washington. you may not believe that he was the son of god, or even a prophet- maybe you just believe he was a liar and manipulator. but, he did exist. he was a person.

  • Of course there is evidence that a man named Jesus Christ existed.  He actually led a lot of revolts during his day that have been written about in history books, and there is a record of his crucifixion.  I think it’s reasonable to generalize that when people say that they “believe” or “don’t believe” in him, they mean that they do or don’t believe that he was a savior/son of god/born of the Virgin Mary, etc. 

  • <li class=”itemsubmitter”>
    Heather

    “there’s more written evidence for the existance of jesus than for the existance of george washington.”

    Incorrect.

    a__betterkiss
    “and wow after reading the comments I’m very unimpressed at the lack of accurately educated people.”

    “absolutely not!

    http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

    Check for there for evidence on his non-existence.”

    Ha, was wondering how it was going to be before someone mentioned that movie. While a case can be made that he never even existed in the first place, the bulk of the evidence stands contrary to this view. I could make a case that Socrates never existed either. The fact remains that both are accepted as actual people and the evidence is in their favor that both existed.

  • Anyone who answers no to this question is ignorant of the facts.

  • Yeah, you have the Bible as your main source. Plus, you have at least four non-Biblical sources, such as Josephus and Pliny the Younger. There were more, though. Unfortunately, many records of Jesus were destroyed when the Greeks invaded and completely destroyed Jerusalem.

  • Do we have evidence of George Washington?  Christopher Columbus?  Marco Polo?  Martin Luther?  David Livingstone?  Charles Darwin?  Why do people never question the existence of those people?

    I’d say that the Man whom our entire dating system revolves around existed.  Every time you say a date, you acknowledge, consciously or not, the existence of our Lord.  BC = Before Christ, AD = Anno Domini, Latin for “the year of our Lord”.

    There are lots of outside sources, not just the Bible, that point to the existence of Jesus.  To say that He didn’t exist would be ignorant, like saying any famed person never existed.

  • “I’d say that the Man whom our entire dating system revolves around
    existed.  Every time you say a date, you acknowledge, consciously or
    not, the existence of our Lord.  BC = Before Christ, AD = Anno Domini,
    Latin for “the year of our Lord”.”

    Does that mean you acknowledge the existence of Thor every time you say the word “Thursday” ?

  • > That I’m ‘aware’ of, nope! Faith is personal belief, and in the case of SANTA CLAUS, mostly children have faith and hope that HE  does exist and read the Xmas letter and brings what I asked for and I’ve been good and…. and in all I think that’s only right…. There has been no archaelogical evidence to confirm His (JC’s) existance, except maybe some items held by different believers on this earthly plane. Much more the pity….

     
    Peace

  • Er … I thought we did….

  • Jesus lives man, I worked with him at the bakery, we shared some chronic while listening to mariachi.

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