February 29, 2008
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The Father’s Choice
A millionaire tried to kill an unborn baby by “secretly feeding his wife abortion pills.”
The pregnancy was 11-weeks. He put the pills in her sandwich and yogurt. He is now facing life in prison for attempting to take the life of the unborn. Here is the link: Link
It doesn’t look like he was trying to kill the woman so at best he may be guilty of assault.
Do you think the man deserves life in prison when all he was trying to do was exercise his choice?
Comments (133)
Yes, throw ‘em all in jail!
No, I think life in prison is way, way, way too harsh a punishment. I also think he should only be charged with assault at most.
I think he should be charged with attempted murder.
Assault, not murder. The pills could harm her body, and that’s what’s important.
He could just leave like most guys who don’t want the baby do.
Her body her choice is what the pro-choice thing is about. It is HER body. If she wants the baby, she can have it. If she doesn’t, what right does a bunch of cells have to borrow her organs and 9 months of her life?
what if the mother wanted to keep the baby? it would be devastating for her to find out she had a miscarriage or something, and to find out her husband was feeding her abortion pills
That is so messed up. I don’t know if he should get life in prison, but he definitely deserves punishment.
I say yes, he tried to kill a baby, her baby.
But if you are legally consistent, what would you charge him with? Assault? He did not hurt her and the baby is not human according to the law. No worse that slipping her an aspirin.
Yes he does deserve life in prison..he could have killed his wife as well as the unborn child.
of course since he still killed the baby, if he’s free then bobby cutts should be free
Yes.
No, I don’t think the man deserves life in prison.
First and foremost: No actual deaths or diminishment in the quality of life arose from his actions. This alone, in my opinion, makes the life in prison ruling overly harsh.
There are also a few mitigiating arguments. I believe that a small slice of the right of the child is owned by the father (the rest resting with the mother). So in a sense, the man is exercising his right towards aborting the baby. Secondly, assuming that the pregnancy did not reach its late stages, I think it’s fair to count the fetus as a whole human life.
Ultimately, I believe that the man deserves a stiff punishment for endangering the life of the unborn fetus and the life of the mother. He also steps on the rights of the mother of her having her own child. Though, given my mitigiating arguments and the ultimate failure of his attempts, a life in prision ruling is much too harsh.
Wow! Why couldn’t he just talk about it?
He should be charged for assault. Not murder.
@huginn - Edit, third paragraph: “…I don’t think it’s fair to count the life as a full fetus”
Argh. Lately, there’s been a great disconnection between my typing fingers and my thinking brain.
It’s not the man’s choice, it’s the woman’s choice.
The man has the choice to walk away or to stay with the woman.
But the woman can’t very well walk away from the baby. So for her it’s baby or abortion.
Together they have the choice of abortion, keeping the child, or adoption.
Basically, he was trying to usurp her right to decide what to do about her unborn child. So yep, I think he should.
Ugh… I’m gonna be sick. It’s murder… cold blooded murder. Just as a woman getting an abortion is committing cold blooded murder.
if he were the one pregnant, then it would be his choice.
With my newfound knowledge of the law of manslaughter, homicide, murder, and the like
– this confuses me! I am very confused…
Ha ha…..funny joke Dan…..
It’s not his choice. The second she parted her knees they’re both held accountable (in my opinion).
I don’t know British statutory law and case law concerning abortion and how an unborn child is identified, so I wouldn’t really be qualified to answer this question in a legal sense.
I doubt he gets life in prison though, but that’s just my opinion.
Interesting phrasing of the question btw. Are you looking to start a pro-life/pro-choice arguement?
Everyone has a choice of whether or not they want to kill someone; everyone has a choice whether or not they want to do good or evil. But that doesn’t mean that it’s not wrong and that they won’t be punished if they make the decision to kill someone. A baby is human being; thus, he was attempting to kill someone.
Thanks for pointing out the inconsistency in the law. If someone accidentally causes a woman to miscarry, because of a car accident, they can be charged with feticide; it’s a manslaughter (accidental killing) charge.
You can’t have it both ways. Just because a baby isn’t wanted doesn’t make it not a baby. To say that the abortion issue is about “choice” is propaganda as far as I’m concerned. The debate should be about personhood.
Great story Dan. It’s a proven fact that women seek to get knocked up by men who can help talk care of their child. Our society is based on a woman’s right to choose and not on a man’s right to provide support.
The guy made some stupid choices, the first of which was having sex with a gold digger.
Now his punishment is going to get caught into the whole Roe v. Wade does life begin at conception argument.
We could just solve the whole problem by getting rid of women. Well, the straight ones anyway.
Now we’ll get into the argument of who has more say, if they’re not equal.
Life, no.
Jailtime, yes.
two points…
1) previously a man assaulted and stabbed a woman in her belly and killed her unborn baby, but b/c the unborn baby wasn’t unconsidered a person, all he got was assault.. which was a few months in jail, reduced to a few weeks. Insane, i know, but oh well…
2) doctors/scientists can not pinpoint when life starts… so therefore technically, either, it’s a life at conception, or life once it leaves the support of the mother’s physical body. Therefore, legally, when is murder really murder?
If you go by pro-abortionists, it isn’t a life until it’s born.
If you go by anti-abortionists, it’s a life at conception.
personal opinion,… since even our scientists can’t really distinguish when that cell becomes a life… i’ll stick with the life at conception theory.
of course, seeing a baby form being murdered, is a lot more dramatic and powerful then watching some cells die off… ya know?
but if its your own baby… i don’t think there’s much of a distinction… that baby was real to the mother… at 1 day… or 9 months… or 2 years… etc.
so technically, he didn’t commit murder… but as a society, what should we do?
No, not life. Too harsh.
people just can’t talk through things anymore can they?
humans love drama and getting out of things through the worst way possible.
He doesn’t deserve life, but he deserves jail time. what ever happened to simply talking to your wife?
Sneaking someone some pills is pretty insane.
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I say give him life…if he did not want a kid he should have used a condom…….
what the hell…this jerk killed his girfriend and her unborn child he was an ex cop…his reasoning was he did not want to pay another child support…..and they should have given him the death penalty ….but because he took the stand and admitted to the killing he got off with like 50 years in prison……hopefully someone will pay him a visit ……
Not HIS choice. the choice belongs to her.
if anything, they should have consulted with each other. you can’t just secretly feed your spouse medication!
i don’t think he deserves life, but he does deserve jail time. it’s not his choice that matters, it’s the mother’s.
Men and babies don’t have rights – we are all slaves to the femifascists.
50% of your value and rights are deducted per testicle.
At most this could be attempted murder, but let’s stop and think about this. If a woman had said “I’m getting an abortion” how much could the man do to stop her, legally? If a woman had a failed abortion, would she be persecuted by her husband?
And finally, if you read the article closely, you know that the baby survived. There’s a like in the article to another page, and the child is no a healthy 8 months old.
Assault is fitting since it affected the mother, but until people get consistent about when a fetus is a baby and not some arbitrary piece of flesh that happens to be in a woman, leave murder out of it.
there’s a LINK in the article…
Shame on him.
Ok, this is where all the inconsistencies come in….so if you pay for the abortion it’s not murder, but if you try to slip pills to get an abortion to the un-consenting mother it’s murder?
Personally I think he should be in jail, and it is murder. But since it’s not the law..and fetus’s have no human rights and their lives aren’t held in high regard, it’s an idiotic decision.
Morals and ethics are all inconsequential, really. The law says that a fetus at that stage is not a human; according to the law, the man can not possibly be put away for attempted murder.
Of course, this is in England, so the above is null. It doesn’t help that I don’t know the specifics on English law. I doubt he’ll be put away for life though.
Men in the US who kill their pregnant wives are charged with 2 counts of murder. I guess I just don’t understand when we know it is a fetus or a person. It is a fetus when the mother ends its life; but a person when the father does it. Huh?
Guess he should’ve stuck to the tried and true method of shoving her down the stairs….
That’s what he gets for trying to be so fancy.
Yes, he deserves prison. If he did not want the child, then he should have left the mother and given up parental rights. Instead, he goes through all the troubleto abort the feotus, sparing the mother none of the frustration, depressionh, and everything else that goes along with a miscarriage. He took it upon himself not only to get rid of his unborn child, but also put the mother at risk. Prison is to easy for him. Castrate him and freeze all of his assets, just so he has nothing to bargain with for the control of hius own life and call it good.
yes. life in prison.
yes? he should be punished… Life time.. hmmmm maybe not life time
he was exercising his choice.. yes! but he violated rights of his wife and his unborn child. He had no right to do this! because they were married doesn’t mean he can make the decisions for her without her knowledge-
soo hmm some years in jail + seeing a psychiatrist?
this makes me sad…
I don’t think he deserves time for the fetus.
However he could have severely injured his wife. He deserves something for that.
Lifetime, no…he didn’t kill the baby. But, yes some jailtime for attempted murder or assault.
Abortion, esp untreated “accidental” abortion like this, unprepared for . . . can kill the mother as well as the child. Not to mention cause permanent damage to her body. That was very reckless of him. It should be treated the same as attempted murder at the very least.
It’s her body.
It’s her choice.
Used incorectly, Methotrexate can kill you.
What a jackass, lock him up and give his dough to charity.
YES!!! he does deserve life in prison. The choice of the wife keeping the baby was NOT his to make…plus abortion is murder.
How many men force their girlfriends into abortions and get away with it because “she consented”? That’s no better than rape/homicide in my opinion.
I don’t think that life in prison is too harsh a punishment. I think he should be made an example of to every man who may want to force his partner to abort. No one — man, woman, or other — has the right to end another’s life.
@MyJudas -
it was her own fault to get pregnant, not the babies’, so therefore, if she was stupid enough not to use birth control, then the baby does have a right to borrow her organs nine months. derr…
his choice was to keep his pants zipped or get himself fixed if he was that freaked about fathering kids. that was his choice. he did neither but instead decided to poison his SO and try and kill the baby.
I am not sure about life in prison but he deserves a good sentence and a voluntary snip (possibly without drugs) I think.
*rolls eyes again at the comment that it is his choice*
Not HIS body, not HIS choice.
@GrumpyBear54 - …if he did not want a kid he should have used a condom…….
@heytheretootsie - it was her own fault to get pregnant
So what? If I sunbathe and develop skin cancer from UV rays, Is it my fault that skin cancer develops? Does my conscience acknowledge of risks somehow evaporate my right towards medical treatment?
The events and decisions leading up to a pregnancy has little to do with the moral standing of abortion. The morality of abortion should be evaluated in its own right.
Regardless of jail, that’s a pretty shitty thing to do.
@IssyMae - Men in the US who kill their pregnant wives are charged with 2 counts of murder. I guess I just don’t understand when we know it is a fetus or a person. It is a fetus when the mother ends its life; but a person when the father does it. Huh?
My idea is this: The fetus is considered life (at least, a fraction of a life). Left on its own, the potential of the fetus developing into a human being is what gives it its rights. The mother is given the special say over whether or not to terminate an early pregnancy since she herself carries the risks, costs, and responbilities of pregnancy and childbirth.
Anyone else murdering the fetus would be encroaching on the rights of the fetus since they have no moral counterweight towards taking its life.
I actually think Dan’s question is an interesting one. While the rights of the father over the fetus pales compared to the motehr’s, he does have some rights. Moral, legal, and financial respnsiblity of the fetus (and eventual baby) is carried by the father. The man’s say in the destiny of the fetus, however, when conflicted by the mother’s, is overridden.
He attempted to kill a baby. A woman in Florida was just sentenced to Jail becuase the cocaine she was on killed her baby. The abortion pill is poison; it ends a life. It could also endanger the life of the mother.
Throw the book at him. Nothing about what he did is right.
Men don’t seem to want to take responsibllity for anything anymore. He obviously chose to have sex with the woman. Babies do happen, as a result, even with birth control. Both parties accept the responsibility for that life they created together, whether planned or not.
That’s definitely attempted murder. Abortion is murder, no matter who makes the choice. When you make the choice to have sex, you assume all responsibility that comes with that adult decision, even if that result is a child.
@MayoKetchup - 2) doctors/scientists can not pinpoint when life starts… so therefore technically, either, it’s a life at conception, or life once it leaves the support of the mother’s physical body. Therefore, legally, when is murder really murder?
Exactly where life starts would depend on the legal or moral definition of life. The question is enitrely subjective. But you’re right, the position of pro-lifers and pro-choicers is entirely dependent on their moral calculus.
But I disagree with you on your delineation of life and where it begins. More than anything else, I feel that between conception and birth, the “life” and moral worth of a fetus is a gradient. If you measure conception as 0 and birth as 1 (full life), then there must be intervening points where the baby is worth 1/4th or 1/2. To me, the exact worth of the baby is determined by three factors:
a.) The odds of the baby surviving to birth. (Stillborn births, and miscarraigs happen with a set probability)
b.) The subsequent costs of the mother (carrying the fetus to term and surviving childbirth)
c.) The development of the fetus (how is its central nervous system, any fatal congential defects?)
@whataboutbahb - Interesting phrasing of the question btw. Are you [Dan] looking to start a pro-life/pro-choice arguement?
It is Dan’s job to light the fire. It is our job to fan the ensuring conflagration. =)
He killed a baby, but life in prison isn’t important.
He will burn in Hell forever.
i think He should be charged with assult…but He shouldn’t get life in prison.
@musicmom60 - Men don’t seem to want to take responsibllity for anything anymore.
We have sharp teeth and enjoy eating cute fuzzy animals. We’re all evil.
damn it… he totally deserves to spend his life in prison…i think what he did is perfectly stupid…
He was using abortion pills….what do you think he was trying to kill…a big toe…..
He should be thrown in jail and the key thrown away…..far….
Not prison– Not life, that is. A punishment, yes. However, money wouldn’t really matter if he was loaded… how about a couple years?
he deserves jail time but I think that life is kinda harsh for being selfish…
@MyJudas - the only problem with this is that it’s HIS money. HIS money HIS choice. i mean, he could end up paying child support or some other ungodly payment every month from here on out…
(note: this is not my personal philosophy merely the logical extention of the “choice” debate)
Attempted murder is it, I think.
Assault. Taking medicines you do not need is harmful
Not gonna even bother reading ALL 72 comments you’ve already gotten (how DO you do it???), so I’m going to agree with a few of the first ones and go with assault, maybe even throw battery in there due to the intended harm, even attempted manslaughter. But as trunthepaige said, if we’re going to be consistent, then he should get very little since apparently an unborn child is not a human yet. Whole other soapbox there.
What he did was definitely wrong (and I’d like to know WHY he wanted to kill his child), but I am not entirely sure he should be in jail. Not because I don’t think it’s worthy of that punishment, but because I think it would be too conflicting with all the people who get abortions. Why don’t they have to go to jail then?
This is tricky because he tryed to kill her baby! But life in prison? no.. He should got to jail but not for life.. Thats a little dramatic.
@SunnySusan - He was using abortion pills….what do you think he was trying to kill…a big toe…..
No, I believe a fetus has two (2) big toes.
Just charge him with assault, at most, but the two of them need to work on some serious communication issues.
While it was HIS child, he could easily just leave and do nothing like tons of men do. The baby doesn’t affect the male physiologically or psychologically (paternal instincts aren’t terribly strong) at all–the woman, on the other hand, is affected for life.
I can’t wait for a poorly-written imitation of this to make it into an episode of Boston Legal.
what about her choice?
He should be charged with attempted murder.
That’s a such sick thing to do. I’m not sure life in prison is appropriate, though if I were her I’d certainly want him locked up.
He deserves a very harsh punishment, definitely jail time, perhaps not life though. Taking a life, at any stage, is WRONG.
Trying to kill a baby secretly by feeding the mother pills?! That’s just insane, the guy is not right in the head.
I think it’s rather hypocritical of us since we can’t even determine ourselves if abortion is even considered murder or not.
They need to rule out whether or not abortion is considered murder before they punish him for murder, naturally, so, if it is in a state that allows for abortion, then I don’t think it’s fair to charge him for murder when the same thing would’ve been legal for the mother to do, but, that’s just it… Abortion is usually at the consent of both of the parents or the mother, but since it’s flipped around now it’s just kind of weird.
As far as my stance on abortion, I say choose to abstain or choose to have protected sex, otherwise live with the consequences thereof. Same goes if impregnation happens with protective sex, you still CHOSE to have sex, and you KNOW that sex makes babies, so, IMO, you should accept the consequences. I guess that’s a devision of pro-life, but I’m thinking of a witty name for it…
God Bless,
Chris
i just think they should’ve went about it in a different way… why couldnt he just talk to her instead of secretly giving her pills?! that’s messed up…
@ionekoa - I don’t want to start heated debate here, but I believe that HIS choice started when he CHOSE to have sex. Obviously we don’t know the nitty gritty about that experience, but CHOOSING to use a condom and/or birth control (beforehand) would’ve been another good CHOICE. If they did, they still chose to do it.
People gotta realize that doing it, even protected, has it’s risks. And I feel that, just like in real life, if a consequence arises due to your own actions and/or decisions, you should have to accept them.
God Bless,
Chris
*accept it*
@Christ7 - People gotta realize that doing it, even protected, has it’s risks. And I feel that, just like in real life, if a consequence arises due to your own actions and/or decisions, you should have to accept them.
It strikes me as incredibly inane that pro-lifer’s draw this arbitrary line in the sand and cry “Everything before this line is kosher, everything after the line is hands off. And once you pass this line YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBLITY.” This quip is offered with no justification as to why the line is drawn or how the line is set.
That’s just shameful. Like hum_hallelujah: “Life, no. Jailtime, yes.”
@Christ7 - dont worry, you’re not going to. i make it a point not to argue with people who arent paying attention.though i have been known to ridicule them, however since you didn’t resort to personally attacking me i will refrain this time. perhaps you should have read my entire comment before responding. particularly the portion where i stated i did not agree with what i said, but merely said it to expose the logical extention of the “my X my choice” line of thinking. its stupid. in fact, since the father could face the next 18 years of financial hardships without the benefit of a father child relationship(depending on a courts decision) i would say that his rights outweigh the mothers who could give the child up after only 9 months. again, this is not something i would agree with, but if we are arguing rights of the inconvenienced, i would say the father could be QUITE inconvenienced. personally, i think all humans of breeding age should be sterilized. the world would be a nicer place without them.
@huginn - it strikes me as incredibly inane that people have sex and then make a huge deal out of it when the woman gets pregnant as if they didn’t know that sex makes babies. It also strikes me as inane that people act as if everyone on the face of the planet has sex and can’t live without it. Do I think that no one on the face of the planet should have sex until after marriage? No. It would help, but I realize that that’s frankly an unrealistic expectation and I’m not going to force it on anyone. BUT, I do think that 1) most people know that sex creates offspring and 2) most people know that condoms and birth control, which I have nothing against, help prevent a baby from being made, so, do you not think it’s a bit ridiculous that we wait until the last minute, to resort to something that may or may not be considered as murder, to do something about it when we could’ve prevented it a ways back?
It’s common sense. If you know that sex makes babies and you know that you can’t handle a baby right now, then having sex is crossing the line and you’ve chosen to take that risk. At least using some sort of protection backs that line way up, but it’s still there and has still been crossed; the risk has still been accepted and taken.
Personally, I find it extremely inane that anyone tries to justify that they shouldn’t have to be responsible for what they choose to do themselves. I’ve gotten away with some things, I think we all have. If for any reason they ever come back on me, though I won’t like it, I’ll have to accept whatever consequence there is because I did, in fact, do it.
God Bless,
Chris
@ionekoa - Excuse me, but I never said I thought it was your stance or in any way indicated that I did… I didn’t think it necessary for me to indicate that it wasn’t your philosophy and repeat what you already said, I was just making a statement about the point that you provided, be it yours or not.
God Bless,
Chris
I think the woman should have more choice because it is her body. Also considering the fact that the wife didn’t know about it.
Wow. That’s really tough. Many women get abortions without the consent of the father, so one could argue that this is the same case in reverse.
Except that it’s not. We want fathers and mothers to have equal rights and equal say when it comes to their children, but nature has built us in a different way. A woman who has chosen to carry a pregnancy to term… to try to take a baby away from her, just seems so much more cruel than not telling an absentee father that he won’t be one after all.
sneaky rhetoric there, dan.
He chose not to use a rubber. After that he had no further choices.
that is wrong. having him drop birth control pills in her food everyday seems a bit less harmless. maybe he should get himself fixed if he doesnt want a kid.
Yes, he needs to be in jail. It would not be fair to the baby and mother if he was not punished. Yes, he have the right to exercise his right but this is not the right way of doing so. Plus, she got the right to keep the baby.
Maybe I’m missing something but I didn’t see any mention of assault in the article. I saw that he was charged under some criminal offense (apparently rare) called “administering a poison with intent to cause miscarriage”. Perhaps that is some form of assault, but it looks separate from that.
He was “exercising his choice” by poisoning somebody else. That’s just wrong. Throw him in jail.
I’m a nurse who deals with OB stuff. If she got sick enough to go to the hospital and the baby is ok, then he way overdosed her. That very easily could have killed the woman. He should get 2 counts of attempted murder. Methotrexate is very poisonous and dangerous. Whoever gave him the pills is an idiot too.
He was poisoning his wife, feeding her drugs unbeknownst to her. I think that is a high crime.
what a stupid man
I could go with assault, seems right to me. Not because of the baby, but because of the possible repercussions to the woman. Personnally, I think everyone has a choice about pregnancies; whoever does not want to be involved in having a child has two choices – abstain from sex or take whatever means are necessary to absolutely insure no pregnancy can occur. Both are perfectly possible today, so no excuse for having an unwanted pregnancy.
isnt “exercise his choice” just nice words for murder his child, and secretly drug his wife
Wait, the man was a millionaire, he was married, and his wife was having a child legitimately… what freakin’ reason would this man have to want his child aborted? He can certainly afford the child, and no one would look down on him for having one (unlike the unfortunate women who wind up pregnant while the father leaves). This man was wanting to kill his child for totally selfish reasons! This I can never understand.
Really, it’s the same as though the man had beaten his wife, hoping that the physical abuse would cause a miscarriage. That should be a lot of prison time.
This is another one of those pro-choice or pro-life sort of things. I, personally, feel he should be charged with murder and life-sentence is a good punishment.
I hate to use such an extreme example, but Hitler thought the Jews were bad, so he decided to kill them all. Yes, he was “exercising his choice” but does that mean it was a moral choice? No.
It’s not his choice to decide whether or not he has offspring after he has donated his sperm to his wife. It’s her body, it’s her choice. An unborn child is a fetus, it is not a person, it does not have the ability to biologically survive outside the mother. However, he took away her ability to give potential life and it was premeditated. I would say the sentence should range around the severity of 1st degree manslaughter to 2nd degree murder because the premeditation, intent for malice, and potential for life. 11 weeks is somewhat far along; it’s not like he gave her pills to prevent a ball of cells from attaching to her uterus.
If the man has no right to choose whether or not the baby lives, he should have some right to choose whether or not to pay child support. It seems unfair to me.
It’s interesting watching for consistency among people who consider certain fetuses valuable human (potential?) life and others expendable lumps of tissue. The determining factor isn’t objective; it’s motivational.
Attempted murder. That is an evil thing he did.
I don’t believe what he did was right but I do sympathize with soon to be fathers who don’t really want to be because they don’t ever seem to have a say in whether or not to go through with a pregnancy. I think if he wants to abort and she wants to keep it he should not have any legal responsibilities to that child.
This man took the wrong path. He could have hurt the mother. He should receive jail time for that but not life.
He could have chosen to sign away his parental rights
he could have chosen to talk to his wife and tell her how he was feeling about the pregnancy
he could have walked away from it all if he was that scared
he could have gotten snipped if he had a pathological fear of becoming a father
he could have chosen to do a lot of things, instead he chose to poison his wife which put her in harms way!
I have to agree with mightymarce on this one!
he should be put in prison;
not only was he trying to kill a baby,
but he wasn`t exercising his choice…it should never have been his choice, he was taking away her right to do whatever she wanted with her body.
Life? Maybe not.
That’s not right without the consent from the mother of the unborn child.He deserves somekind of punishment.He’s not the one that has to carry a baby for 9 months.
it should have been his wife’s choice
gwash. men..
I think the point is he was giving her drugs without her knowledge or consent!
“his choice”??? HIS CHOICE? Excuse me, it was his choice not to fucking have sex, not to kill a baby that his wife was ready and willing to keep. I personally am against abortion, but even if I weren’t, I think he should get WAY more punishment that assault charges – I can’t imagine the emotional trauma that caused for the wife.
wtf? O_o exercise his choice? So if a man was slippin a woman a date rape drug, I’m guessing he was just exercising his choice also? He already made his “choice” when he did the horizontal mumble jumble. He doesn’t have the choice of whether the baby should or should not live. It’s not like he slipped her some Centrum, he slipped her some abortion pills which could have endangered the mother’s well being too. That calls for severe punishment, but c’mon, even ax murderers don’t get life in prision. -_-
this is a case that illustrates the problems with abortion. abortion cases primarily account for the womans opinions. granted, it is her body, but this is still a life. if he is charged for manslaughter, or attempted, than that opens up a whole new ballgame legally for those pro-life, as it emplies that the government sees a fetus as a person.
and it’s about time someone realized that abortion is manslaughter, no matter who’s opinion it is.
I think he should be charged with attempted murder if they have that statute (that some states have). That is really sad and disgusting. But then again abortion is really sad and disgusting as well.
i think life in prison is too much, but .. exercising his choice? that’s just wrong to do that secretly, without telling the wife. obviously, he didn’t want to tell her, but it’s just wrong to do that.
idk what punishment though. someone said attempted murder, and i think that sounds reasonable… but i don’t know.
That’s the mother’s body. Why would secretly feeding her abortion pills be a father’s right to exercise his choice? I don’t get it.
Anyway, the father gets jail time, not the death penalty.
YES! jeez!
What choice?!
Of course that is awful that he would try to secretly give her pills.. but what about when a woman secretly gets an abortion and doesn’t even tell her boyfriend.. should she get life in prison? I don’t agree with the argument that the man has the choice to just walk away and not be with the woman. That is completely overlooking the fact that if she has the baby, it is HIS financial obligation for the rest of his life. As one person said – what right does a cluster of cells have to borrow a woman’s body for 9 months.. she should be able to choose.. but a man can’t choose even by walking away to have no financial obligation for the rest of his life.
I think it’s sad to take a baby’s life, dad or mom’s choice, but as sad as that is I can’t imagine the feeling of being a guy who wants his baby to be born but is completely helpless as the woman chooses to abort it. So I suppose now that woman knows how men all over the world feel.. not that it makes it any more right.
ok I need an edit.. just read the article and I guess she doesn’t know since the baby lived..
that’s a tough question.
That is complete bullshit. Legally, I’m not exactly sure what he could be charged with, since abortion is most definatey legal. However, it wasn’t his child to disintigrate, nor was it his power to choose. That alone remains with the impregnated woman; if anything he should be charged with interfering with another’s rights, something along the lines of violating the Eigth Amendment (which covers a woman’s right to choose). Constitutionally speaking though, I’m not sure that a punishment for violating rights would.. avenge (for lack of a better word) the woman’s loss.
“Do you think the man deserves life in prison when all he was trying to do was exercise his choice?”
He should have exercised his choice by not engaging in behavior that could impregnate her. If, however, she tricked him into getting her pregnant, she shouldn’t be allowed to ask him for monetary support for the child.
How come this guy is going to jail for attempting to take the life of the unborn but abortion clinics do it all the time?
And as far as it being “his choice,” I disagree completely. His choice was whether or not to drop his pants. I don’t care if he was wearing rubber, I don’t care if she was on pills or had one of those Y-shaped plastic things put in her. Everyone knows there is no foolproof contraceptive and everyone knows that if you go into the bedroom, you could come out a soon-to-be parent.
He handled the situation sneakily, selfishly, and immaturely. He only thought about himself and what HE wanted.
This is a perfect example of
“The problem with your site is that when you ask a question you act as if you already know what the answer is before you ask it.”
Yes, he deserves life in prison.
I think he should be found guilty for this.
It was the woman’s choice too.