Not really…he made a stupid mistake, but that’s almost like entrapment.

HECK NO.
She lied,he fell into her stupid trap and she should go to jail or be tried as an adult for her lies.

Yes, those laws are rather flawed. My cousin was listed as a sex offender for having intercourse with his 17-year-old girlfriend when he was 18.

Any man who makes such dates online has a responsibility to make certain if there can be any doubt at all.  The men should have known better.  Why not card the girl?  It flatters older girls, and at least attempts to spare a child who DOES NOT need punishment herself…she needs help. 

@squeakysoul - ”Child’s” page”….thats giving her way too much credit as a youth. She isnt a child in any sense but her age now.
She’s conniving,manipulative and runs her life as she pleases.

Maybe both of them should go to jail. It is the girl’s second time for doing such an act. And the guy was just plain dumb. why..they hell do ppl do these things…god!

@Southernlass - Are you people Christian or do you imagine yourselves to be?  I swear, this is as far from Christ like understanding as it gets!

@UR_MUSE - There is something sadly wrong with you people!

@ichigo705 - As an adult, it is not his responsibility to realize anything.  It his responsibility to VERIFY and be certain.  I must say, these responses are very revealing. 

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - Yes. I don’t see how it could NOT be. A culture of easy sex, permissive parents, and absolutely no personal responsibility on anyone’s behalf. This guy should have checked the girl out but was distracted by sex. Disgusting. And stupid.

@SpiritualBattlefield - Now because this man has responsibility in the situation does not mean I’m saying the child shouldn’t be punished severely – by her parents, who have the responsibility to do so. This is a nasty, manipulative little kid. I imagine her parents are likely not doing their job. I’m not sure what state solution there is short of bringing child services to this kid’s home.

@squeakysoul - You people are messed up.  The child does not need to be punished!  She needs therapy, for God’s sake!

@squeakysoul - The logic is very simple.  Because she is in a particular culture is no more a contributing factor than those so called Christian shepherds abusing their own charges, being in their culture is

@o_Dirty_Blonde_o - He can demand evidence of her age.  That would have been the thing to do to live up to his responsibility as an adult.  My gosh, do they guess there age at the liquor store?  This is not rocket science, kids.  The adults here were predatory.  The child needs help, not punishment and condemnation.  If you are going to condemn the child, in your mind imagine the words Christ would have used to do so.

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - I will not be part of the blame. She needs help,yes.But the ones being MISLED need help in their defense..and the DAD  knowing it…he should take steps in helping the daughter.
Im not the least bit sorry for the “child”..

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - Please dont call us messed up…we arent out there fooling people.

@SpiritualBattlefield - Then I am sorry for you.  Doesn’t it occur to you that because there is something wrong with the parents, that is all the more reason to see that the child needs help…not condemnation?

@Southernlass - You are a strange bunch.  I made the mistake of assuming many of you to be Christian.  I try to imagine your words in the mouth of the Christ, and something just does not fit.

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - I work in a high school.. I know at least 400 kids that would agree with me on this. But then hey, whatever,if she can get away with it..she will.Who am I to try and stop her? If I can warn others about her,I will. I hate when people are misled,like the guys. I feel sorry for them falling into her little trap.Not all kids are conniving and this girl makes older people give kids a bad rap. She needs help,yes. BUT,she needs some punishment since she KNOWS that it is wrong.

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY -  If she is old enough to have sex,lie to get it,and her parents know of it..?
Also, age these days is not what it used to be, 5 year olds know too much as well.She really knows more than anyone thinks that she does
Get this,if she continues this path…she burns bridges and then later..she will turn to forcefully taking what she wants.As in child molestation..Yes, she knows what she is doing.

@LadyTerri - You are all sick!  She needs help.  Hey, I have an idea.  Lets just throw every child desperately reaching out for acceptance and love into prison.  It isn’t like they aren’t already overcrowded.

@cuteluvr21 - Every man who can honestly call himself a man, and not a mere predator, is well aware of that responsibility.  It is why most of us don’t just hop into bed on the spur of the moment.  We get to know the person.  It isn’t just about age.  If someone is desperate for understanding and acceptance and so blinded by that need as to allow themselves to be victim to fulfill it, it is a real mans responsibility to know and give what is needed, not take what she thinks she must sacrifice to fill a desperate need.  I am NOT saying this is for everyone here.  It is just a Christian thing.

@n0mn0mn0m - Oh, my God, forgive them.  Are you suggesting that I, as a man, I can go out and sexually jump any child with boobs?  Trust me.  As a man of means, I can talk ANY child into it.  So as long as I do carefully, so that her age doesn’t come up (that part would be easy), she is easy prey.  And that is ok with you?  Sorry.  You folks are messed up in your thinking.

@and_everything_fades_to_black - I have known many young ladies who have done worse during a period when I was rescuing women from abusive relationships.  Most of the time such behavior as that on her part is the result of severe sexual abuse.

@cuteluvr21 - If a man is not aware of this problem, he is NOT a good man.

no the women should be punished for having sex at an illegle age and the man should too, but not a jail sentence. she acted older wich cause theman(which was lied to) to go to jail and the women nothing, that sad

@and_everything_fades_to_black - You are being very blind and that can be forgiven because of your age.  I have known way to many young ladies just like her.  Because of that, I am absolutely certain this is a child who was sexually abused and severely.  Not just by the men mentioned.  She ended up like this, desperately in need of help because of much earlier and long lasting sexual abuse.  The furthest thing from what any TRUE Christian would do is condemn her for being SO scarred and broken.

I have received word that I am overstepping here and may be blocked.  If so, at this point I would be honored.  This is proving to be a playground for the meanest intolerance.  I thought it a site for serious discussion of issues with a view to the religious aspect of them.  What I see is “Christ bitch slapping Mary Magdelan” so bad it makes one ashamed to be Christian.  This child is a child!  For all you know having been sexually abused from a very early age.  A broken person.  And a couple of men who made no effort to be responsible; they are cruising the web for sex, for crying out loud.  Now I am also being told not to speak out about ABF, DID, and FMB and the cruel things they do online.  This is all the same mental illness.  We are real people on here, with real human problems and shortcomings.  Not avatars.  Young men out for sex online who don’t take the care to determine, not just the age, but situation of those they prey on, deserve what they get.  We are falling into a sense of those online being less than real that makes it easier for us to hurt each other.  This is NOT a video game just because it is online.  It is real life with real consequences.

@n0mn0mn0m - Yes you should card if you are going to be so ridiculously casual about sex that you don’t even know your partners age.  No one who has such a problem with sex that it requires even considering carding should cast the first stone at this child. 

@snugglebunnie7777 - Doesn’t it matter to you that irregardless of how she looks, she very likely is like this because of years of sexual abuse?

I dunno I dunno
it sounds absurded
then it is like she can send any guy to jail
I think that’ll be a lot
but @ the same time it might makes guys more wary

WoW this conversation is getting scary *sneaks out back*

@syingc - It doesn’t occur to you that she has been so victimized, it is all she knows?  These young men were hunters after online sex.  Look far enough and any can find some broken person to further break.  What does Christ think of your attitudes?  He cries for you again.

To be fair, if he had sex with her he should of be able to see she was young. but in his defense myspace has online cops that are suppose to delete accounts that are giving false information with age sex crap like that so he should be in jail for a less amount of time. And because this is the second guy with the same girl the guy should sue myspace for not doing there job

I don’t see why the guy should be punished just because the girl is a lying hoochie.

Those two men deserved prison the minute they went hunting for sex online.  She is a 13 year old victim, likely of very long term sexual abuse.  She is not responsible for being a broken child.  I am more than sexually active and have been sense the young ladies same age.  I did have relationships with underage girls up to the age of mid 14.  It is the easiest thing in the world to avoid such a situation if one has even a minimal amount of respect for their sexual partners…can’t bullshit an old hound.

@tx_christian - It is every decent man’s responsibility to know.  All these boys had to do is not screw some child you don’t know well enough to know her age.  I am sorry, but in my opinion you people are NOT Christian and don’t have a clue how to be.

@tx_christian - I can’t help but think much of this stems for the False Christian notion that a woman is nothing but property and the origin of all sin.  It simply is not a True Christian view point.  Would Christ judge this child as you do?  This is the question you need to be asking yourself.

@Dillonwren - It really doesn’t matter how she looked.  These men didn’t care enough to find out.  Hey, if you do a quickie quick enough, who is going to know.  What kind of person has sex with any young lady before even knowing her long enough to have  indications of her age beyond how she looks?

No, it’s her fault!

@Dillonwren - But why is it the second time? Has it occurred to you that this child has been so sexually abused that she knows no other means of getting attention and acceptance.  She isn’t bad.  She is mentally ill and needs help and forgiveness.  How odd I should need to suggest forgiving the shortcomings of an obviously broken child to Christians.

@Dillonwren - There is no debate.  You are as depraved as they are.

@Dillonwren - They certainly should.  And that broken child needs therapy, not punishment.  Now, if you are inclined to have a predators view of women, you cannot be expected to understand that.  You don’t think they should be punished because you are too much like them, and wouldn’t want to be punished yourself.  As you get older and learn to think with something other than what is in your pants, you will discover that carnal drives are no excuse for abuse of any kind.  No one should be so quick to screw somebody else without having a good sense of their state of mind and age.  Even if she were of age, I can name you three different mental illnesses that treating her like sexual prey could have caused to be fatal.  It is a real man’s responsibility to understand the consequences of a sexual act.  If you are not yet a real man, at least know there are real consequences for neglecting that duty.  That is why we have such laws…to keep idiots in check.

@Dillonwren - Yet you justify two adults who did.  That is how I measure you.  You are not old enough to know what you are talking about.  This is not the kind of world you imagine in your own child’s mind.  If that broken child had been sexually abused, lets say, from the age of six, how is she going to know any better?  Young girls want to be considered older than they really are in the first place.  Every male who is a REAL man is alert to that.  But much more.  STDs are not the only danger overly casual sex presents.  I will name just three very common mental conditions that can be severely and even fatally effected by casual sex.  There is ‘borderline personality disorder’, ‘bipolar’, and ‘schizophrenia’.  A real man is concerned with, not just the girls age, not just whether she says yes, but also why she says yes.  If you aren’t emotionally deep enough to consider such things, I don’t care if you are sixty years old, you are not ready for sex.

@hello_insanity - Even with the example you give, you suggest that hospitalization is punishment.  Ok…she deserves to be punished with therapy.  You are a strange person.  Perhaps you need to calm down, dear.

@Dillonwren - No offense, but this comment does indicate you need help.

@hello_insanity - I take it you have a lot invested in defending casual sex?  No one said that the sex itself is fatal.  It is exactly that casual hunter attitude of some men that causes it to lead to a fatal situation.

@hello_insanity - You are butting your head up against a wall and it is not just hard to argue with me…it is dang near impossible.  We are all wrong a certain percentage of the time.  I am old enough and been wrong so much in my life that those percentages have swung very much in my favor now.  You add to that the fact that I don’t post anything not called to by Christ, and darlin’, it makes that a very solid rock wall.

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - Don’t feel too sad, the reaction here is the reaction from within a comfy insulated bubble from which one can be free to cast judgment and throw stones and feel good about it because everyone else agrees wholeheartedly with you.

That doesn’t make it right. This guy should not have gone to jail. This whole case is a farce, the phenomenon of the basketball team fucking messed up high school freshman slut has been happening since I was in high school.

Protecting children is something prostitute patronizing politicians take credit for while they use tax dollars to pay for unsafe sex on political trips.

Lighten up people. I have no regrets, will you at the end?

@hello_insanity - I have a horse named Bob.  I love that horse.  He has saved my life more than once.  He was given to me by the rancher whose property my farm is in the middle of.  His previous owner, a stern man who considers a horse an implement, would dismount from Bob and slap him every time Bob would become startled by quail and pheasant breaking from the bush.  This, NATURALLY, didn’t to train Bob to calm when startled; it made him start worse.  I got a free horse out of that stupidity.  When a bird would break from the brush I would hug and comfort Bob.  I now have the best quarter horse in this area.  No other horse could stand still after walking into old discarded barbed wire coils.  When the horse steps in them it makes a sound like a rattle snake that all horses naturally respond to in a very bad way that can put a rider into a fence and a hospital.  Not my Bob.  Bob is the proof of the forgiving ways of Christ to me.  You can think in terms of punishing the broken all you want.  I have been shown another way.

@xXsecretXsweetsXx - You are seriously messed up.  Who is society to let someone like you wander free?

@GhostBenjimon - Why would I be sad?  I do feel sorry for many here, while very happy I am not them.

yes but that young girl needs to be banned from the computer period and needs some intensive therapy.

Sooooo.. we should start asking for ID?
I think that’s really stupid…
two guys going to jail for having sex with her…
she’s the one who needs to be reprimanded..

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - If you are such a Christian, then who are you to condemn me? You are a silly person. The fact of the matter is, that YES they need help. The best way to help a person is to make them realize that their actions have consequences. Maybe this girl IS sick, or broken, or whatever. But  she, like the rest of the world, must be made responsible for her actions. Nobody gets a free ride in this life. letting her get away with this stuff is only going to hurt her more in the end.

Calling me names is not going to prove your point for you. Come back when you’ve got a valid argument.

Toughy…. The guy probably was a horny idiot who didn’t think before getting into this mess. This girl should be punished to for false information. But then again, how many people are doing the exact same mess shes doin?

@xXsecretXsweetsXx - I wont condemn you but you are wrong.  I will point out, you are unChristian.  That abused child is not getting away with something.  She is sick and needs therapy, just as yourself.

@IraSuperbia - What country are you from?  It is very unlike the United States.  I guarantee she is required to undergo therapy just about anywhere she might be in this country.  But state and government officials, especially on the level that would intervene in this kind of situation would be fired for having your attitude, because it is both un American and unwholesome.  This is a broken child in need of help.  We don’t stone children in this country.  We are beginning to learn here, that punishing someone, while satisfying to sadists, is far less effective than therapy.

@LifeNeedsProtection - If this young lady had been sexually abused from a very early age, how would she know any different?  And it is not just about sex.  Offering yourself online for in person meetings is very dangerous behavior.  It can get one killed.  She was to young to know better than that.

Young women need to learn not to put themselves out there and lie about their age…it’s pretty much asking for trouble from a creepy person creeping around the internet.

@LifeNeedsProtection - ”Doesn’t matter.  She is playing the system.  I have seen it time and time again.”  How many times?  You are beginning to sound extremely immature.  We who are older know the system don’t play that way.

@SunshineOnARainyDays - Most young girls her age lie to seem older.  Older women lie to seem younger.  Real men know to expect it and don’t consider it punishable behavior.  It is so common that it is cliche.  Yet there are some ready to excuse sexual predators because she told an age fib all girls and women are expected to.  The issue is that this child was not even capable of realizing that meeting people in person from online is dangerous enough to get her killed.  In a sense it is good she encountered sexual predators rather than a serial killer.  Either way she demonstrated severe incapacity, not bad behavior.  We are not supposed to be punishing children to make them be good.  We are supposed to be showing them it is beneficial to be good.  Much of this talk on here is obvious sadism.

@LifeNeedsProtection - You imagine they know.  They most certainly do not.  And I would guess babysit is more appropriate than tutor.  You are too young to know the score yourself.

@GunStarHero1988 - What ever floats your boat as adults.  Leave the children alone.

@LifeNeedsProtection - I would venture to say that those who spoke out with the most cruelty here are responsible for societies ills.

@vwagenjetta - and that is both heartless and stupid.  If it were the tenth guy, it would not make any difference.  She is still a child needing help.  And you a sadist.

Yes a man should go to jail for having sex with a minor child even if she lies about her age. I agree with the judge, ignorance is no excuse. But I also think the child should be punished to an extent for lieing and manipulating the situation. Maybe even made to seek counseling. Something just ain’t right with a child at the age of 13 doing stuff like that. It’s a blatent sign that they need psychiatric help for their emotional disturbences.

@LadyValkyrie37 - Gods!!! You don’t punish children or animals to get good behavior from them.  That is nothing but a sadistic tendency.

This is the second guy to fall in this little girls trap. Seems to me like she is having fun with this. Why in the hell is she 13 and still having a myspace page that shows shes 19 and divorced.  As her parents wouldnt you look for ways to block these sites. Hell your daughter already sent someone to jail. How many older man have to sleep with her AND go to jail in order for this little con artist to get punished for what she is doing?

@Esteliana8 - All children are con artists.  Any psychologist will tell you that.  That is why they show those little dimples to win the affection of adults and peers.  These were men who took advantage of a broken child lying like children (and women) often do.  There is something very psychologically wrong with any adult who computes this to a child needing punishment rather than therapy.

@xxmusicxxfreak - It most certainly is his fault.  He is being punished as an example to other young men your age.  This is sad, but necessary.  You need to learn hard and early, if you go horny hunting online, there are and should be consequences.  That is the way it must be.  I have one adopted child who is in her twenties but is mentally a child.  She is unmistakably of age.  Not nearly as apparent, is that in spite of her mature beauty she is a child.  The courts are doing you a favor.  If you did something like that to my daughter, I would completely understand her not knowing any better.  You, on the other hand, would lose that worthless tiny pecker.  Only then would I let the courts decide.

@whataboutbahb - I have worked with countless kids and have raised my own to full adulthood.  All VERY successfully.  Have you proven sadism more successful?

@whataboutbahb - No. I don’t even use those methods on animals.  My dogs never have accidents.  My horses are considered the best trained in this area.  My children are very successful.  If one frees themselves from these sadistic tendencies even the slightest look of disappointment can have a profound effect.  If a child is immersed in violence and exaggerated expressions of disappointment it desensitizes requiring more and more to correct them.  There is an art to these things.  Those who have not mastered that art should not be parents…or lovers.

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - With all due respect, It’s not like I stated the child be beaten, be marked with a scarlet letter, and thrown in prison. I simply stated that she be punished to AN EXTENT. I never went into details as to what the punishment should be exactly. I guess that would depend upon a psychological evaluation, interviewing of everyone in her household to see what kind of support system she has, ect… to determine how exactly a child gets to the point of going online, lieing about her age, marital status and having sex with adult men. But one thing is for certain, I’m a firm believer in spanking as a last resort of disciplinary action. You will NOT sway me on that. Also, once upon a time I was a 14 year old willingly sleeping with men in their 40′s, 50,’s and even 60′s. Why? For many reasons. A place to sleep when I ran away from home, looking for a “daddy figure,” looking for my next bottle of booze, because I was looking for love in all the wrong places. There are many reasons why this child could be having sex with adult men. Once thing is for certain, someone HAS to step in and tell her, show her, IT’S WRONG and that everything she does has reprecussions. If that means repremanding her in some form and getting her and her family in therapy, then so be it. Letting her get away with this is a disservice to this child. She needs help. And here is my list of reasons why I know what I’m talking about… 1) I used to be like this child when I was her age 2) I too understand mental illness on an extremely personal level 3) I’m a mother of 3 children myself, the first one I had at the age of 16. But even as I sit here and type all of this, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that both you and I are right. You see, there is no one fix for such problem for everyone is different. What helps one person may not help with another. In raising 3 kids I know that each one of them has to be handled in different ways. I communicate with each of them differently, I discipline each one of them differently, ect. So, whether you want to admit it or not, we are both right.

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - You are ridiculous. If children are taught that their actions have no personal consequences, then someday the world will be in a state of complete chaos. Thump your bible somewhere else, because nobody around here is going to listen to you.

You have no right or reason to call another person “unChristian”. You don’t know anything about me, or how I live my every day life. Only a hypocrite would proclaim to know about the spiritual state of others. Whoever spoon-fed you this bullcrap that you insist upon vomiting up at us should have thought twice before sticking you in your highchair. Get a life.

@LadyValkyrie37 - My point is, it is not healthy to think in terms of punishment as a solution to anything.  It isn’t Christian to do so.  Any kind of punishment.  The measures you take to correct may argued to be punishment, such as withholding rewards, but the mistake is in thinking of it as punishment.  It does more harm to ones ability to be effective than it does to the child.  But then as a less effective parent, the real harm to the child begins.

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - Congratulations on your son’s academic achievements. It seems that you are very proud of him… as you should be. However, I would like to point out that book smarts doesn’t make an individual a good person with a good character and personality. Sometimes an individual can go throughout life with just a Highschool Diploma or G.E.D. and attend the school of hard knocks and still end up a good person. When you made that statement for some reason it reminded me of the TV show Deperate Housewives. Wisteria Lane is so beautiful to anyone who drive through. To the outside it’s full of well educated upper middle class families. However, behind closed doors so very many dysfunctional secrets remain hidden away from prying eyes.

@LadyValkyrie37 - I could not have said it any better! Good grades do not necessarily mean good morals or ethics. Book smarts are not the same as common sense. You’ve already said it, so I don’t think I need to continue.

@sflynn17 - No, it does not appear at all to be a hobby.  It is obviously a compulsive disorder.  In other words, those monsters were not just taking advantage of a child.  They were preying on a sick child.

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - Why do you call me “kid?” Does it make you feel superior when you do that? Does it make you feel older and seemingly wiser to call me “kid?” There come a point in our adult lives when age should shouldn’t matter. The young can learn from the old and the old from the young. Besides how old are you 50 something? My boyfriend is 50. Get a grip, “grandpa” lol

Why do you keep bringing up your animal training specialities? We are discussing living breathing human beings… not animals. Human beings have certain understandings on life that animals do not. Training animals and raising children are NOT the same thing. I may not be a special animal trainer such as yourself. However, I can state that you use the word “punishment” way too broadly when speaking about the training of animals. I have raised cats my entire life. I know how to train a cat to be the most well behaved cat you will ever meet. All you need is a spray bottle full of water and your own two hands to clap very loudly. As an animal trainer I’m pretty sure you know where I’m going with this. There are different degrees of punishment or rather discipline one can use when training an animal. To use violence on an animal such as hitting with hands, feet, fists or weapons is outragious and animal cruelity in my opinion. However, certain punishments such as loud noises when a cat is doing something wrong or a quick spray of the water bottle is good discipline and does NOT harm the cat or it’s psychi.

Now seeing as you like to compare animals with children the same can indeed be said of children. There are varying degrees of disipline that one can deal out to a child to let the child know that when they do something they are not supposed to do there are negative reprecussions for it. At the same time when the child is behaving well rewards verbal or materialistic should be given as well to show that good behavior have positive reprecussions. Talking with a child throughout all of it helps most of all, which is something you can’t do with an animal for they do not talk and do not have such understandings.

I still say that we are both right. But for some reason you think I’m wrong and you must educate me on the error of my ways and educate me on why you know better than I. All I’m doing is trying to explain my point of view,

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY -  Are you speaking of Christian Paganism, Christopaganism, Christian Wicca, Christian Witchery?

@LadyValkyrie37 - To further discuss this because off topic you are invited to my site.  It is under construction so somewhat awkward to navigate.  There is a ‘Table of Contents’ at the top of the page.  Each item in it is a link.  If you find yourself on a page that is called a PORTAL all on that page is also a link, including images.  I do have to leave here now.  I can’t stay here because of a tendency all have noticed that I have to dominate the conversation.  Don’t worry.  It wont happen often.  I do have my own very demanding site.  Don’t everyone go rushing over uninvited.  It isn’t for everyone.

@athynz - It is wrong to those who would cast the first stone.  Some of us choose to care rather than judge.

@athynz - And no, I am not judging any one of you. I am using you in a work of art.  To me, this is nothing but a mode of expression.  Now, some are being extremely primitive and ignorant.  That isn’t a judgment of the person who comments.  That is a very intelligent persons assessment of the comment itself.  Such comments serve my purpose as an artist.  I have used you to convey certain things to a third party; the viewer of this work of art you are brush stroke in.  I have not intention of convincing or swaying anyone within this discussion.  You served your purpose as example of what is going wrong in society and now I move on.  Again, goodbye.  I will continue to respond as I find time but really, if you want to hear less of me, don’t address to me.

I think they should both go to prison.

Nope, abused or not I think she should go somewhere (whether it’s for punishment or help) for being stupid, intentionally ruining peoples lives, and fraud. It’d be different if these guys were hitting/picking up on her knowing full well she was 13, but if her profile says otherwise…that’s harder. Personally I think it’s nasty they’d go looking for sex with a stranger online anyway, but whatever.

but then again…. she does look older than she is in her picture…. so i guess no. the men should not have gone to prison.

@desertraindrop86 - It is a man’s responsibility to know that age.  Don’t back up until certain that driveway is clear.  You are very wrong on that point.  The driver would be liable!  You don’t have to know her age or see through her very typical adolescent fib.  You do have to know someone well enough before fucking them that you know they are not underage.  Doesn’t matter whether she lies or tells the truth or says nothing at all.  That is as it should and not a problem at all to healthy responsible adults.

@whataboutbahb - I do respect everyone here.  That does prevent me from strongly disagreeing.  It does prevent from pointing out the your view is sadistic.  I is out of respect for all here and a very strong sense of social responsibility that I do so.

@desertraindrop86 - Read the comment before this one.  It is a REAL man’s responsibility to know!  REAL men expect underage girls to lie about it.  It isn’t this one girl.  They ALL do.  REAL men fit that into the equation.  If they don’t, they are not real men and should not be having sex at all.  Your driveway analogy no matter how you dress it up will not work.  I do hope you don’t run into that one on a drivers test…because you have it very wrong.  The national standard is that a vehicle does not begin to move unless it can do so safely, no matter what!  The only way you would not be liable is if the car does not begin to move.  Even if someone were to push another into your path…say two children playing…it is still your responsibility to make sure that all is safe around that vehicle before it begins to move.  For that reason, I love your analogy and see that it does VERY much apply.  It is just that you don’t have the facts right.  I would suggest you do get them right before driving OR having sex.  There are two things I wish to stress here.  The first is to mentally wish this child punished is sadistic, no matter how you justify it.  The second is; be sexually responsible.  If you are not careful and it effects a child then be ready to pay the consequences, just as you should be ready to pay the child support.  BE RESPONSIBLE. 

@whataboutbahb - “Just calling a spade a spade right? Isn’t that still being respectful?”  Yes,  it is still respectful enough to satisfy me.  All can judge for themselves the quality of the two stated positions.  Some will agree with you.  Some will see the truth in what I say.  That is all I would expect.  You say it is the sheep’s fault because it is so delicious.  I can’t argue against that position.  I say the wolf should expect to get its sorry ass shot.

@desertraindrop86 - An overwhelming majority of young ladies lie about their age to impress older boys.  This is something every real man worth his ethical salts is aware and cautious of; YES!  At thirteen, she is legally not competent.  Period.  It can be deduced that any child has additional incompetency issues to put herself in such situations where she is damned lucky she didn’t get herself killed.  I am not saying the men were naive.  They were not.  If of normal intelligence and  normal mental capacity, they would expect a young lady to lie about her age to impress them if she wanted there acceptance and affection.  This is something every high school boy knows. They were on the prowl and didn’t care.  If they didn’t care, they should pay.

@desertraindrop86 - ”How so? Can you elaborate please? It seems like we’re starting to have a real dialogue here.”  This is not the place.  I am open about such things on my own site and there is an entry titled, Peacock Sufi Pimp, that gives some details of those early days…however…not knowing your age, I am concerned.  I wasn’t being condescending.  I was stating facts as seen by someone with an unusual amount of sexual experience and a spiritual view point.  You thinking it condescending  raises an issue…how old are you?

@desertraindrop86 - Frankly, I don’t think anything merits a prison sentence, not even murder or rape.  Drugs can incapacitate murderers, and a good sharp razor serves well with rapists.  That isn’t the point.  No man or woman deserves to be saddled with the lifetime of responsibilities that come with an unwanted child, just because they got carried away in a moment of passion.  But, those are the built in rules of the game.  Don’t play if you can’t pay.

@desertraindrop86 - No!  I am not saying they were to dumb to know better.  I am saying, they knew better and are being justly punished

@desertraindrop86 - Again…you are maybe tired…but you are making less and less sense.  I was concerned about the condescending comment because it seemed to be implying possibly that you thought I was because you were, yourself, thirteen.  I would only be concerned about that because, will not forbidding it, I do discourage anyone that young visiting my site.  It isn’t that the site is naughty or anything like that.  I address issues of spirituality there that some parents would appreciate the opportunity to give consent to. 

@desertraindrop86 - That isn’t the point!  Those young men, when they chose have sex began playing a game that has the serious of consequences.  Whether it be a lifetime of child support or prison, don’t play if you can’t pay.  In other words, make the extra effort to be responsible and not act like so many dogs in heat.  If one chooses to act like a worthless dog in heat, and is of age, know there is a leash law.  Don’t go whining when it is time to pay.

@desertraindrop86 - About this whole argument you are hanging on whether this one particular 13 year old is really 30, it is a specious argument.  One must go with the typical, not atypical in such discussions.

@LeaderOfTheKnightsWhoSayNI - You need to struggle against these sadistic thoughts you have.  They are unhealthy.

@desertraindrop86 - Good night, sweet dreams…and thank you for offering such a well thought out challenge.  You kept me on my toes as well.

@squeakysoul - I think Myspace should file suit against the family of the girl for violating terms of use (since the parents were complicit), and donate the award to the man.

And I also think the man should sue the family for damages since through fraud they damaged him so badly.

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - I think this attitude of, “the child needs help, not punishment” is what got our country where we are today.

When I was a child, and I did something bad beyond a certain point, I got my behind spanked until it was red. You know what? I never did most of the things again. And I learned a powerful lesson: there is a punishment for doing wrong.

Sure the girl probably needs some help, but she also needs some severe punishment.

@findingliberty - You are rehashing things that have been talked to death.  All young girls trying to be with older boys lie about their age.  Once a boy becomes a man, it is his responsibility not to fall for the lie.

@Femme003 - She has no liability at 13!  That is the law, and wisely based.

@pogueatl - ID isn’t necessary.  Getting to know someone at least enough that you know they are of age, when there can be any doubt, is just common sense.  There are other issues.  What if they are of age but infected?  What if they are mentally unstable or even psychotic.  Heck, any male not taking anymore care than that should be locked for their own safety.

@whataboutbahb - It absolutely never is!  Maybe a woman, but it is never punished anywhere in this great country in the case of a 13 year old child.  Maybe in some very primitive societies where children, especially women who are considered property are stoned.  So maybe you need to take that argument somewhere it holds water…like a club for sadists.

@Endowedbythecreator - She is NOT the product of a promiscuous society.  In fact, this is problem is rampant in societies that are not.  Look at the situation with the priesthood where sexual transgression is the result of sexual repression.  This situation is the result of men thinking of women as objects to be used.  Notice how many even on here blame the girl for being, quite naturally, a sexual creature and act like these who were on the make are victims.

@Soul_in_Motion - That isn’t true.  Or at least not the message of Christ, where no matter what your sin, a single surrender makes everything right with God.  It is very difficult for any with their head not on straight to understand this, but I am myself an extreme disciplinarian.  I set very high standards for my children and require a great deal from them.  No if, ands, or butts, things get done according to my expectations.  I am the same way in training animals.  However only a very stupid person need resort to force.  Punishment is less necessary the more intelligent we are.  The problem with society, and the reason we have situations like this, is that folks are not required to be smart enough to raise children to have them.

@Endowedbythecreator - No, it isn’t the be all.  An even bigger factor is whiny bitch “men” claiming they couldn’t help themselves.

@Endowedbythecreator - This is my point.  As men, we need to accept responsibility for our actions.  That is precisely what it is to be a man.  That means not blaming on society or the girl.  That means, cowboy up and suffer the consequences of our actions.  Doesn’t matter whether those actions were criminal in nature or not.  Real men do not have sex with children ever.  Not even accidentally.  Real men are responsible or they don’t have sex at all.  That also means, if you don’t have the means to raise the outcome, even if accidental, in a righteous fashion hide that tiny pecker away.  It will NOT get bigger when abuse with it.

@patman06 - Because a 13 year old can be tried for murder doesn’t make it right.  There are people on death row who have the mental capacity of 8 year olds.  The girl did what most girls her age do to be accepted by older boys.  Hell, I knew about that at her age.  Girls lie about their age.  Boys who have sex know that.  Men who pretend not to, need to face the consequences for not knowing so that others will.  Laws, according to the system, are not ever to punish.  They are to deter.

@Endowedbythecreator - Responsibility comes with age.  She is a child.  They are adults.  Those are the rules of the game.  If one doesn’t like the rules, one shouldn’t play the game.

@Endowedbythecreator - As for how natural it is, it is entirely natural for a young girl to act the way she did.  That does not make it proper.  That is why we protect children.  So that they have time to integrate proper with natural.

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - you are just the product of church 7 days a week but you lack compassion for those who a.) are growing up in a time when sex is as routine as a daily jog… b.) how he was raised (i doubt it was the Christian faith being pumped into every aspect of his life that you try to instill on us, and by the way who are you to judge those you don’t know)… c.)  are being put into compromising situations when I doubt you have EVER been in the same situation.

By the way, he had met her before MySpace… That was how he got her MySpace name to start the friendship so he did not search the web for sex.

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - I know you will never back down from your opinions but that is just it, they are your opinions.  You harass people’s religions and belittle other people’s opinions.  You are an extremist, much like pro-life people that throw blood on those who have had abortions or bomb abortion clinics.  You refuse to see that you are also a problem.  You’re inability to accept another’s opinion and thus say that they are not a Christian is the exact opposite of what it means to be a good Christian.  You have this belief that your opinions are better then anyone elses.  Get a clue, you’re wrong.  You have the right to believe the guy goes to jail, thats the point of the debate, but, to belittle another’s opinion to make yours sound better, that makes your opinion sound like a pile of manure.  Entitle others to their opinion without belittling it. 

@patman-6 - You hold to an opinion that a full grown man can abuse a child with impunity.  I hold to the opinion that your notion is sick, Antichristian, and enabling these predators.  You are free to have your opinion, I am free to have mine.

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - You’re name-calling only makes you appear childish.  You’re beliefs are well founded but I take a differing point of view.  Had this been just a one-time thing, I would agree with you hands down.  However, you degrade yourself and your religion by taking the issue and using it as a platform for your religious rants and sound like more like Rev. Wright then a reverand at all.  I believe in counseling and probation, especially for a guy who knew it was wrong and told the father.  Everyone who has visited this would agree that while you are opinionated, thats just what they are when it comes to calling people sick and Antichristian.  That isn’t something Christ would do now is it.  Fuck no it isn’t.  At least not the Christ the rest of us believe in.

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - Screw this.  I felt bad for ya and your situation before and just thought of you as religious right-wing nut.  Now I just think you’re self-pitying worthless son of a bitch.  You don’t take in the circumstances and replace the girl in this situation with your daughter.  Fuck you.  One girl I dated was raped when she was 19.  I still don’t agree with how this situation was handled.  So take your fascist dumbass and go fuck yourself.  People have better things to do then write on these things all day.  Oh wait, maybe not.  You’ve been doing this all fucking day.  So go fuck your Almighty because it obviously isn’t the same as mine if he were going to be so judgemental and unwilling to accept others and their differing opinions, call me sick, but seeming how there are more people that agree with me then you I will be just fine and mighty. 

@patman06 - Yes, I do it all day long….from my death bed.

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - from your deathbed, really?  man that must suck.  at least the world will be filled with one less bible fucking fraek you dildo.  pray to youre god that he helps you see the errers of your ways dumbass.

@BADBOYDOOMDADDY - If it really is your deathbed, that sucks and I’m sorry.  If not, because the Internet is a bitch and you could just mislead me like that girl did to the man, then you are worse then the man you are convicting.  Either way, I believe that more would take the side of the man as the victim in this one.  13 year olds know the difference and know what is right and what is wrong.  If you could seperate yourself from your personal issues with the subject, maybe you would be more understanding and accepting of a release program that allows the man to go through a therapy session.