August 17, 2008

  • Arming Teachers

    A school district in Texas has approved a plan that will allow teachers to bring guns to school.

    The district superintendent said it was a matter of safety.

    He said, “We have a lock-down situation, we have cameras, but the
    question we had to answer is, ‘What if somebody gets in? What
    are we going to do?  It’s just common sense.”  Here is the link:  Link

    Is it just common sense to allow teachers to carry guns to school?

                                                                                                      

Comments (206)

  • Not in my opinion.

  • They are just promoting violence, I think it’s best if they add more security people instead.

  • My heart would skip a beat if I knew my teachers were bringing guns to school. The guns may end up in the wrong hands. This is coming from a New York citizen who has been asked more than once if she has ever been shot. The answer is, no, by the way.

  • No way.  Why would something like that be the answer for safety?

  • That is a fucking fantastic idea. 

  • It is if you live in Texas.

  • Hey, I’d much rather take a class from Dirty Harry than Mr. Feeny.

  • I do NOT think that is the proper course of action.

  • It’s a great idea! We all know teachers’ belongings are sacrosanct – nobody would ever dare steal from a teacher. And teachers would NEVER lose their temper with a student. And ALL teachers ALWAYS behave appropriately toward their students. Yes, let’s arm over-worked, underpaid, frazzled adults who are outnumbered 30-1 by smart-ass teenagers. It makes perfect sense.

  • Lucky teachers, haha.

  • As a school teacher, I say this is a horrible idea! If the school is so concerned, then they need to try every method possible rather than this. How about spending money to invest in metal detectors? Forbidding clothing in which a weapon can be easily concealed? Forbidding the use of backpacks within the building? There are a number of deterrents that other districts use.

    Reality: We had a student in our district arrested for bringing a gun to school and carrying it on his person throughout the school day this last year. As soon as his peers realized he had it, they turned him in. Fortunately, in this case: No harm, big foul. The kid was indeed arrested and expelled despite the fact that he had no intention of using the gun and it only contained blanks. (And he should have had both of those things happen to him.) When the administration and campus officer pulled him out of class, he did not fight it. Even knowing that a teacher would have the safety of the school in mind, I hate to think of what might have happened if an over-zealous, gun-toting teacher would have found out first.  The process works when everyone is on board. It did in our school.

    Let’s not even mention the fact that schools are supposed to be safe-harbors for students. They should feel safe in our classrooms. If they have to wonder whether or not their teacher has a gun and where it is hidden, they really can’t feel safe. Let’s face it: it’s only a matter of time before the wrong person finds that gun (if it’s hidden in the classroom) or takes that gun (by overpowering the person with it before they ever get the chance to react).

    No. I see more potential danger in this situation than in the current. If the school is so concerned, they need to figure out better deterrents to bringing weapons to school and a tough process concerning how they will handle it when/if it happens anyway.

  • Wow and then some teacher shoots someone’s child and everyone will be complaining about that Texas school. Why was that teacher allowed to have a gun in school? My child did nothing wrong! That teacher hated my child!

  • @saintvi - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I LOVE IT! You are right. The term “going postal” could become “going classroom management on your ass!”

  • Before everyone predicts Armageddon you all realize that it has only been the last 20 years were teachers, nationally were not allowed to carry guns. there were no problems with it in the past. There will be none now. 

  • No, it’s not. How about a good set of security cameras and officers and a metal detector?

  • LOL…why not allowing prayer back in school’s…along with the teachers able to slap the kids with a ruler?  Go OLD SCHOOL all the way!

  • Most Texans would probably agree with this in most cases:

    “Teachers who wish to bring guns will have to be certified
    to carry a concealed handgun in Texas and get crisis training
    and permission from school officials, he said.

    Recent school shootings in the United States have prompted
    some calls for school officials to allow students and teachers
    to carry legally concealed weapons into classrooms.”

  • *rolls eyes* OHhhhh Texas!

  • @YOUNGAZNTIGER - EXCUSE ME I am from Texas and I am not lumped in with “most Texans” on anything. KTHX

  • wow what a bad idea

  • I see this back firing….

  • Not really no… I mean it’s a bit ironic letting teachers have guns.

  • Noooooooooooooo!!!

    What if a kid (no matter how hard they try to hide those weapons) still manages to get his or her hands on one of those guns? Who’s screwed now?

    Or what if you end up with a teacher that has anger management issues?

  • If it makes them feel more secure then let them.

  • No.

  • This has the potential to get very ugly. I really do not think this is a good idea at all. I do not think that the situation could get worse because of the teachers but more so, the students. As it has been stated, what if one of the students gets a hold of the gun…

    Also, I dont know about anybody else but I would be uncomfortable knowing that my teacher had a gun in the classroom..

  • @UnVolume - i agree with you .

  • If it’s kindergarten through 12th grade, hell no.  But in college, I would have to say maybe.  I still believe that people need to go through tough background checks, psychological tests and be in stable condition in several aspects of their lives before they can carry around a loaded gun.  Not many teachers, or people for that matter, could pass such a test.  But those who can, should be able to defend themselves and others.

  • Um, no.
    Maybe, one teacher per department should be armed.  The department should vote, and there should be guidelines, like they have to have had training and been teaching for at least 5 years.

  • He said, “We have a lock-down situation, we have cameras, but the question we had to answer is, ‘What if somebody gets in? What are we going to do?  It’s just common sense.” 

    City police departments exist for a reason.

    Allowing uns in relatively untrained hands may offer a sense of safety, but it would be outweighed by real risks. In the situation of a lock-down, and a school full of kids, there is the very real risk of friendly fire. This would also increase the accessiblity of guns to kids.

  • @Xcholo4u - If it makes them feel more secure then let them.

    Just because they would feel more secure doesn’t mean that they are more secure.

  • About as plausable as allowing students to bring guns to school.

    Just clone Chuck Norris a bunch of times so we can have one of his clones for each school.

    Plus,  it makes an attacker more likely to have access to ANOTHER firearm.

    Paintball guns I’d approve,  though.

  • I think someone had a few too many when coming up with that idea.

  • Not if you ask me…..why can’t students carry guns if teachers can? And anyway, what if the thing fires off accidentally and someone is killed? This is one of the many things in life that makes no sense any way you slice it.

  • Teachers could be so careless with their guns, allowing them in the wrong hands–I think the district just doesn’t want to pay for more security guards. 

  • hell no. i dont understand the need for it. but then i come from a country where even gum is illegal. so let’s not even get to weapons. 

  • No, some teachers are quite violent already.

  • YEAH TEXAS.

    They know what they’re doing. Good guys having guns will discourage bad guys having guns. duh. of course, there is the problem a lunatic teacher who decides to do a school shooting… but that seems alot less likely than a student going crazy if you ask me.

  • YES. But I think they should go through at least one mandatory training session, and they should all be psychologically evaluated before they are allowed to carry a firearm at school.

    But I think it’d be a good deterrent if the kid knows, “Hmm, my first, third, fourth, and sixth period teachers have guns and know how to use them. One of the teachers on lunch duty carries one, too. I think I probably won’t last very long, probably just shouldn’t do it.” And if someone does start one of those school massacres, and everyone goes on lockdown.. are they going to try to get into classrooms knowing that when they get through that door the teacher has the right to shoot them? I know I wouldn’t.

    Actually, I guess living in West Virginia, I think it’d be a better idea to have a shotgun in a case in the wall, like they have fire extinguishers. When you break the glass, the alarm goes off. And it’d be behind the desk, closest to the teacher. I could see my automotive teacher blowing some kid with a gun to hell and it doesn’t bother me at all. I would feel safer if I knew SOMEONE else was armed who DIDN’T want to kill anyone for no good reason.

    At least in high school. I’m going to college and I honestly don’t care anymore about school safety.

  • Yikes! How often is adding more guns to a situation likely to help anything? Maybe if they have armed security guards… but thinking back to high school, I wouldn’t want my teachers to have guns, and I don’t think a lot of them would have wanted them either. 

  • The ones that will have guns will have a concealed hangun license AND crisis prevention training. They would be the most trustworthy people to give guns to.

    People tend to forget that when you see a licensed, concealed handgun owner that they aren’t likely to be ones to snap.

  • I don’t think that is very safe, especially since teachers have committed more crimes than students have in the past.

  • As a teacher who has gone through her share of lock-downs, I can see how this district came to this conclusion, but I do not agree with it. I have to say there is a procedure, there are instructions to follow and out of all the times I have experienced a lock-down we have come away learning that what could have definitely turned worse did not.

    @Krissy_Cole -  I agree, deterrents work.  Depending upon the school district/school, the number of deterrents change, but I find they are effective if they have been well established, consistent, and followed by consequences.

  • I think that the concealed carry training that they give in Texas (at least in my part of Texas) was very extensive and did indeed weed out the people who should not be carrying handguns.  That being said teachers would carry guns not protect themselves and students from a rowdy classroom, but rather from a person whose goal it is to take as many kids as they could with them.  I think that placing one or two security guards isn’t enough, nor does the term security guard exclude them from being overpowered.  Having teachers carry concealed weapons on their person (not in a handbag or in a desk) with a safety on at all times seems like a sensible idea.

  • @AllMyNamesAreTaken - But I think it’d be a good deterrent if the kid knows, “Hmm, my first, third, fourth, and sixth period teachers have guns and know how to use them.

    1.) The homicidal student, then, would have ready access of a gun from a teacher.

    2.) The sort of students who go on a shooting rampage are the sort of students ready to die. They won’t be deterred much.

    3.) Even with “evaluation” and “training,” the teacher would not be as nearly as effective as a career police officier in handling a weapon. Why not leave it to the professioanls?

  • If teachers are going to kill students with anything it’s going to be stress >.<

  • @Evolutionary_21 - In any of the concealed carry training classes they teach that when carrying a weapon you should have the safety on to prevent “accidental” firing of the weapon.  They drill that in to you.

  • @huginn - professionals take time to respond. Gunmen have no interest in being interrupted so they kill quickly and then off themselves.

  • err, alright that is going too far!! if they get all schools to approve teacher to carry guns, my kids ain’t ever going to one.

    just like kids, if guns fall in the wrong hands, people are in danger. teachers are not perfect, there are bad ones there but we cannot know which are good or bad..

    second, what if wrong person got onto it? then the teacher who brought the gun, is screwed.

    besides, that is what the security gaurds should be for! if teachers does not feel safe, then they have a choice of not going back. Or get more security!

  • @JJ_Ames - Teachers have a response time too. It takes some time to stop lesson, fetch and load the firearm, and locate the dangerous fellow with the gun.

    Most school shootings pick off less than half a dozen victims (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting). Given the response time of the teacher, gun violence wouldn’t be prevented.

    I understand that the response time of the teacher is better than that of law enforcement officials, but to me, this extra benifit is off-set by the dangers of having a gun in the classroom.

  • even in that situation, do you have any idea how traumatizing it might be for a young student to witness his teacher gun someone down?

  • this is insane!  

    Firstly…who’s to say that the teachers themselves aren’t unstable and flip out one day and then end up shooting people?! Secondly, isn’t it setting a precedent that it’s OKAY to have guns?!  Thirdly, Isn’t it just making guns more accessible if god forbid something does happen?!
    I don’t know, maybe I have a different opinion because I’m from the UK where guns aren’t allowed AND where there’s enough violence without them but I certainly think it’s dangerous to have guns in schools full stop!  Hell, it’s dangerous to have guns end of story!

  • i also can see cover up murders. either teacher swear the kid being dangerous and kills them anyway or the teacher get ticked off and just kills the kids.

    this is not going to be well!

  • There are two views of it from me. I think that it seemed a little scary just now when I let it sink in. Its amazing how we have to come up with solutions for safety, isnt? But damn, whats a person to do?.. You have to do something to survive and protect. I’m mutual in this decision .. I mean, hey, do what you need to do., Some people may think that its going to be used against students, no, ithey just need arms inside in case the police dont get there soon enough and also to shoot the bastard before he pisses all over dead bodies that he has taken down.

    The other view was that its humorous in a way because, they are ..well, ..Texas. Texas and Guns go hand in hand. Go get em cowboy…..
    (I’m from Texas and I still friggin Loathe your profile pic. Seriously I hate it.)

  • no way!!! this is encouraging violence and situation is gonna get worse in this way! Major wrong step!!!!!

  • Yes, it might rise the attention. 

  • lockdown in schools…
    thats not a school thats a correctional facility where the ‘students’ get to go home at the end of the day!
    craziness, but then i guess in certain areas these measures are warranted. then ita a very sad thing.
    but no i dont think its common sense elsewhere for teachers to bring in guns.

  • Bring it on.  It wasn’t a problem 20 years ago,  and in just LESS than 20 years there have been way more school shootings than ever in history.  BRING IT ON TEXAS. 

  • @SpiritualBattlefield - lol. thats what i thought, nd then that lead to ‘just how violent ARE texans?!’

  • I think as long as it’s required that they be on the teacher’s person (as opposed to a desk drawer or something) it’s wonderful. But harsh, harsh penalties need to be in place for teachers who don’t carry it on them. It opens up the gun to students. And by harsh penalties, I mean loss of their job and possible jail time.

  • They are required to take a concealed carry class. For the record, I’ve always thought this was a great idea.

    By the way, the article says it would “let” teachers bring guns to school, not mandate it.  My uncle teaches concealed carry classes; I mean, it’s not like you can just grab a gun and go, they’ll have to know gun safety.

  • @tchrys - as violent as they are    ..big. Haha

  • @Powerpal2015 - After the Virginia Tech shooting a kid in our local Junior High (or 5th grade, I forget) was threatening to shoot people.  It didn’t actually happen, but it could have.

  • @tchrys - We have lockdowns, and it essentially does become a prison. No one is allowed to move or speak or be escorted to the bathroom and if the end-of-day bell rings, tough shit, because you aren’t leaving.

    We’ve also got security cameras, ARMED police officers who carry both a handgun and a taser as well as a billy stick, and security guards.

  • Okay, well, what if some psychopath substitute is asked to fill in for a teacher there and comes in posession of a firearm? Or if a student managed to snag one away from a teacher? It’s even more dangerous *with* the guns, and it’s jeopardizing the lives of every person in the building.

  • Uh, no. I’d be transferring out. haha

  • teachers need to be armed with rifles or shot guns!

    else… good luck to teacher with little pistols trying to stop mass murdering crazy nuts who run around with more fire power

  • @BebstersBlog2 - But is that any reason why teachers should have weapons?  Wouldn’t it be better if they knew disarming techniques or carry non-lethal weapons like pepper spray or stun guns?

  • I can’t trusts teachers, so no.

  • “hey you in the back! you talk in my class again, I will put a bullet in your head.”

  • What if a teacher ends up shooting the students?
    If you provide someone a weapon, you have no guarantee what they’ll use it for. Heck, and what if someone steal that gun?

  • WHAT THE F**K!

    DOUBLE U TEA F!

  • @Powerpal2015 - After the Virginia Tech shooting a kid in our local Junior High (or 5th grade, I forget) was threatening to shoot people.  It didn’t actually happen, but it could have.

  • @oulck - That’d get ‘em to shut up REAL fast. Which is what most of the kids in my school need.

  • @wazillafirefox - *sigh* This educational moment is provided to you free of charge.

  • I think that is a really bad idea.
    Nice post.

  • I think having some sort of officer in the school at all times is a good idea. I wouldn’t want to just give teachers a gun though. I’m going to school with students who are becoming teachers and there’s no way in hell I’d like to see some of them with guns.

  • @saintvi - what do you mean noboddy steals from teachers like every day our teachers complaining how somthing got stolen!

    @evoulionary – what about those happy trigger emos?

  • @Powerpal2015 - I’m not usually one to give out links, but I didn’t think guns played much of a role in defense until I read this article.  It’s really long, but quite amazing.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/lott/lott14.html

    With the media so biased against guns, it’s no wonder people feel the way the do.

  • Wow… stupid is as stupid does.. 

  • I think this is a fantastically bad idea. 

  • only in Texas.. God I love it here, to me yes that is common sense. I watched a documentary on msnbc last night, that was a bout unruly teens, and one attacked his teacher, had that teacher had gun… wouldn’t been no problem

  • Hell yeah. Why shouldn’t they have the right to defend themselves around those hoodlum kids? I don’t like the idea of some unbalanced substitute packing heat in the halls, but should he/she die because one of the students’ drug deals go bad and they pull out THEIR gun?

    Metal detectors are too expensive to use everyday (my HS used them once a month, and people would come late after they were put away), and giving authority figures weapons is the safest option for those students who just come to learn.

    Teachers don’t get paid enough to do all the jobs they have to do in addition to teaching kids who oftentimes don’t want to learn. I think we owe them some security.

  • Absolutely not. It’s a horrible idea.

  • @Evolutionary_21 - that has to be one of the WORST opening arguments i have ever heard. why cant students hang out in the teachers lounge, assign homework, give detention etc.  the teachers are (ideally)trained professionals there to educate and watch out for the best interests of the students, who are idiots that dont know anything. if they did, they would not need to be in school.

    while i hold the stance that arming teachers is a bad idea it is clear that the reason for doing so is not that the students arent allowed to. i really cant believe someone even said that.. i may have to go and have an annurism now.

  • In some cases, yes. 

  • No because I’m sure somewhere along the line it would get stolen.

  • I’m all for it. As long as the students don’t know who has a gun (but they will probably talk anyways), and teachers can legally carry the gun, then I think it’s great.

    More security? They don’t do anything.They either can’t or they won’t. What’s going cause a potential shooter to cancel his attack – a few overweight rent-a-cops or a bunch of teachers?

    I support it and have for a few years.

  • It’s Texas, what do you expect? We have a law that’s like, if you feel threatened, you are allowed to shoot. So why not? I think it’ll save lives, and I don’t think it’ll be abused. Here, guns aren’t as big a threat as in other states where people abuse them. Here, most people know how to use them, and only use them for the right reasons.

  • @Krissy_Cole - Students should feel safe in school. But I would be more concerned with a fellow student bringing a gun and shooting than a teacher. At least the teacher would be licensed.

    Nothing is going to stop a determined kid from bringing a gun – you can fool the security officers, hide it either on you or in the building. And those officers can’t do much – if they tried to search a student, that brat would complain and the media would be all over it. Poor student.

  • I’m against concealed handguns for ANYone.

    And more guns are not the answer. They should utilize a tougher policy towards those who DO take a gun into a school- any age.

    …Please don’t go to faceyourmanga.com, Dan. It’s all I ask anymore.

  • What if the teacher was a psycho?  What if he was waiting for a law to pass that said teachers could carry guns?  And what if one day it happened and he brought a gun to school and massacred the whole place?

  • So the teacher can shoot a kid? Honestly I doubt there are many teachers prepared or willing to do that. I think what would be “common sense” is that if the problem is that severe just have an armed security guard/cop at the schools. We had three armed police officers at my school. They took care of things right quick, and they were dicks but they were professional about it all.

  • Assuming the teachers are sane, yeah. Give ‘em guns.

  • no way because what if ur teacher was mental and no one knew it? They would shoot you for a punishment.

  • @Krissy_Cole – I appreciate your input as a school teacher.  I can personally say that had I known my teacher had a concealed weapon on his/her person, I would NOT have caused disruption in the classroom and therefore would NOT have a problem with a teacher having a weapon as long as he/she is trained and certified with it.  I do not however see where this step should be implemented before appropriate safety measures to include metal detectors / x-ray machines that all personnel/belongings must pass through before entry into the school grounds.  It’s sad that we’ve come to this, but you better believe I’m going to protect myself against anyone who knowingly (or in most of the students’ cases, unknowingly) holds my life in their hands.

  • What are the school systems coming to ???  If Texas starts this; others will follow … and then watch ..

  • Plus, you can’t assume everyone is sane .. or else this would NEVER be necessary !

  • that’s crazy
    what if the wrong person gets a hold of those guns o_O it can be used against us.

  • Proof that just because you have book smarts, you can still be a complete idiot.

  • half of the time, teachers are more retarded than the students. hell no!

  • I bet a 5 year old has a gun in Texas. Hahah.

  • worst idea ever. Security guards need guns not teachers, I don’t get that.

  • yea, figures it would be texas…

  • Welcome to TX.

    Harrold TX is a very small town, so close to the border it’s practically in Oklahoma. I really don’t understand their need to keep guns in their classroom, I can’t imagine too many wild and crazy kids at that school.

    In Fort Worth, I could almost see it. In Dallas, maybe. But Harrold, TX of all places? Sounds like overkill and paranoia.

  • I don’t see how that could be helpful in any way.

  • Teachers should be able to have weapons in schools. Armed teachers are the best defense against attacking gunmen. I think that teachers shouldn’t be armed all the time, though. I think there should be a secured box in some or all of the classes, and only the teacher of that class has the key/combination to that box. It should have a gun, some ammo, and a vest. In the event of an alarm, all of the teachers go to their boxes. There should be either a good enough communication system in place so that the teachers can coordinate their movements, or there should be a plan that the teachers follow to secure the building. I don’t know. There’s a lot to this issue, and I’m very passionate about it. Schools are ripe targets for homicidal individuals because they’re virtually helpless, and that has to change.

  • @afburd - How useful are metal detectors and x-ray machines against an individual or individuals bent on killing people? How useful would those have been at Columbine? Not useful at all, in my view.

  • @TheWorldsOfficialCritic - How trustworthy are teachers in comparison to police officers?

  • @IAmPositiveILostAnElectron – Assuming these individuals are planning to use any object containing metal and/or is shaped anything like what is known as a weapon designed to inflict harm or cause death, metal detectors and x-ray machines would prove very useful. No, they won’t catch EVERYTHING, but they will catch more than they miss assuming the person operating it isn’t busy stuffing his face with Cheetos. NOTHING will stop a smart AND determined person…it’s simply an odds game when you’re trying to prevent the inevitable.

  • Lol, I’m a teacher…in Texas…who has taught in some of the “inner city” schools in Houston. I never felt like I needed a gun, and I’m just shy of five feet tall. I used to have a running joke where I was going to start an iniative: Every Teacher a Tazer, but that was a JOKE! I hate to say it, but out of the teachers I can think of who would actually bring a gun to school, I’d feel safer if the students had one instead. If police officers have guns, fine. But teachers? If you think you need a gun, what you really need is another job or possibly even another career.

  • hell, when I was a kid I brought a gun to school on a regular basis and nobody ever got killed, I took it immediatly to the office where the principle kept it until school let out.

    Then I took it and went hunting or shooting cans with it.

    It’s a good thing, it’s not gonna stop someone from dong stupid crap in a school, but it may keep 32 people from getting killed like at VT

    Kennesaw, GA . . . more guns less crime

  • As a teacher, I would be more terrified to carry a gun or know that other teachers had them on them.

    Isn’t it easier to steal a gun then sneak one in? What are they supposed to do, carry it in a holster?

    GREAT IDEA TEXAS! :(

  • @afburd - The point is that anyone bent on attacking a facility isn’t going to even submit their belongings to inspection. They’re there to kill, not obey the rules and play nice.

  • @huginn - the gun should be on the teacher, not stored somewhere in the classroom. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a license to carry a concealed weapon if you don’t carry it.

  • @JJ_Ames - The gun still may be lifted from the person.

  • This is an amazing idea.  Instead of creating “Gun-Free” Victim Zones where the bad guys know they can go mow down unarmed sheeple… let’s arm citizens that are upstanding enough that their state gives them permission to carry a CONCEALED weapon that the students and the bad guys don’t know about.  I think any time someone can take responsibility for their own safety it’s a plus… and I think that people who think the police will arrive in time to stop something that lasts only seconds, is kidding themself.

    If every school in America (private, public, elementary through university) went to this, Columbine and VA Tech would be a distant memory and a thing of the past.

  • i see a teacher having a bad day

    some kid being unruly and getting shot….

  • @huginn - or it might save lives.

  • ddddamn.
    then again…it’s Texas.

  • I’m a senior in highschool, and it bother me if I knew my english teacher had a gun on him. I’m already suspicious of that man anyways. ;)

  • @JJ_Ames - No it wouldn’t. If teachers were allowed to carry concealed arms, in school shooting, they would be prioritized as targets.

    Without a head, saving lives would be a bit of a challenge.

  • I don’t know. That would scare the hell out of me to know that my professor has a gun.

  • Brilliant! Now the teachers can shoot back!

  • Well if all of the cops they had around the place did their damned jobs, we wouldn’t need to worry about that.

     What kind of a message is this sending to kids, seeing their teachers with glocks all strapped onto their belts?

     ”Learn or the teacher might just get fed up with you and shoot you”?

     And have you SEEN some of the people they’re letting teach these days? There are some pretty eccentric people in charge of classrooms. And not eccentric in a good way.

  • I like this idea. How else can we tame a person with a gun? With another gun!

  • God, no. If you feel the need to have a gun at the school, I think a police liaison (is that the right word?) would be a much better decision. We had a cop at my high school and he got along with mostly everybody.

  • @IAmPositiveILostAnElectron - Well, for starters, I was being sarcastic (and not doing it very well, apparently…) but some teachers I’ve had before would be very frail on the trustworthy meter next to a cop. But, I guess it would depend on the officer and teacher in question.

  • @rachelangel24 - Psychological tests would be used. There’s more to this idea than the face question. Of course precautions have to be taken. Teachers would have to be put to standards similar to policemen.

  • @stalkdebbie - This idea is basically the same as what you’re saying. The teachers are the security personnel as well as being teachers.

  • well i live in texas… the only state that legal allows anyone to carry a gun on the back of their truck. anyways everyone already takes guns to school probly even the teachers so now its just a law… i am just kidding however when i went to high school lots of people kept them in their cars why do you think theres no shooting in Texas… its because everyone has a gun already and will just shoot the intruder. sad but true. we even keep on under the bed and get taught at a young age how to shoot

  • No teachers are not good with guns!! and besides everyone knows your nto allowed to have guns!! its illegal with bushes new patriot act!

  • @huginn - and we wouldn’t want dead teachers over dead kids? Besides, how many teachers are they going to cap if all the teachers have guns?

  • @IAmPositiveILostAnElectron - If I truly wanted to attack a facility, I wouldn’t have to get anywhere near it with today’s technology, but you and I are talking apples and oranges.  My only point is that based on the facts we’ve been given, a solid step in the right direction BEFORE giving a teacher a gun, is to prevent them from entering the school by using guards, x-ray machines, and metal detectors.  This won’t stop a terrorist, but it will stop the average kid from bringing a gun/knife to school for reasons other than show and tell.  If you want to get technical, what’s to stop some kid from beating the hell out of another kid, or even a teacher, with a wooden baseball bat…or even a band instrument?  Nothing will ABSOLUTELY stop this problem…these are just preventative measures.

  • i dunno but i bet the discipline would be better.

  • Just arm everyone.

  • Hilarious.

    Absolutely hilarious!

  • @huginn - How often do they send the professionals to sit in school buildings in the slight chance that some kid will bring a gun and start shooting? We had police at my high school, and they’re more worried about stalking skippers in their cruisers than they are about even breaking up fights on campus. At least where I live I have 0 faith in the police force (especially since we only have about six cops in the area, and one of them was sitting in the office at school mooching coffee and the other was chasing kids around in his cruiser being a dick), and I think it just makes more sense that the people who spend the most time in the school building should be protecting not only the building, but the students as well as themselves.

    It just seems practical to me. You can’t have a whole police force patrolling a high school, but there are over 100 teachers in the average school building. If you have one or two armed guys in the building and they both get shot, everyone else is pretty much screwed until the shooter kills himself.

  • no… cuz the crazy ones might start shooting at the kids….

  • @la_vida_linda - True, but the safety feature can backfire, too. Nothing in life is perfect.

  • Noooo. Teachers want me dead.

  • We’re going to see kids getting shot for holding a candybar or waving a pencil case.

    Fucking Texas.  Every time some unbelievably stupid thing get’s passed, it’s in Texas.

    I’m so ashamed to have come from that state.

  • That’s a scary thought.  What happen if a teacher was mad at a student and shoot the student with the same gun they suppose to protect them with?  I would totally feel scare to be these students.  Don’t get on the teacher’s bad side or else you know what!

  • i would feel safer knowing that there is a armed person to stop the rampage.
    i understand that it is very rare that a gun man will appear at my door steps.
    i would just feel safer. why do you lock your door at night? a thief will just break the window that is several feet away from the door. it gives you a sense of security. same with an armed person. you hope that you never have to use it but you feel more secure. so yeah. i would support it.

  • As a TEXAS HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER, I say no, this is definately NOT a good idea.  Being a person who could be in danger on the job if someone came into a school, which is my place of work and had a gun, it is still not a good idea for teachers to have a gun in the classroom.  As a high school teacher, I see that students are smart, they could find a way if they really wanted to, possibly get ahold of these guns.  The possibility of an accident or someone getting raging mad and “accidently” firing off a gun is too risky to allow teachers to have a gun.  If God forbid, an accident occur, parents would be through the roof, and the school would face legal charges if one of these children were hurt at school by gunfire that was the result of teachers having a gun in the classroom.  Not only that, teachers would have to go through another obstacle before getting their teacher’s license….getting a handgun license. (or, I would highly suggest it.)  Teachers have to do enough to get to get into the classroom.

    Also, doctors aren’t allowed to carry around handguns at work, nor other hospital employees…yet sometimes it is pretty risky working there as well.  There have been raving lunitics that have run up in a hospital and tried killing others.  I know a church that faced a crazy man coming into their sanctuary and shot/killed several people.  You don’t see the minister carrying a handgun to church now because of it…and that is in East Texas where almost everyone has a gun!

    Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy going out to my parents’ farm and shooting for practice and the learning of it.  I support the idea of hunting and the idea of being able to buy a hunting rifle, and in some cases, a concealed handgun.  However in this case….things have for the most part been working fine for years with teachers not having guns in the classroom, and it should stay that way. There is way too much risk involved.

  • No, absolutely not! I think it’s the stupidest thing one can do!

  • Well actually this could go either way in my opinion. Maybe make sure the teacher is mentally stable to handle the responsibility of bearing arms in public. Obviously leaving the gun in your desk isn’t proper conduct. They could start making all school’s like the one’s for juvies. Teachers lecture behind a bullet proof panel or have devices on their person that can easily be set off to inform the guards if a student is trying to restrain the teacher or whatever. I had a substitute who taught at a juvie or something of that nature and told us about that stuff. haha. But yea, I’m up in the air with the gun thing…we’ll see

  • From the comments left it is clear that most people have no idea what they are talking about.

    First of all, in order to carry at all, this school district is requiring that the teachers have a CHL (Concealed Handgun License), which requires qualification on a range and a 10 hour course on the applicable laws of self-defense, in addition to extensive background checks.  Furthermore the school is requiring the teachers to additional training in the form of crisis management and hostile encounter training.  Then and only then, will the district grant them permission to carry a concealed handgun.  Heck the district is even regulating what ammo they carry to make sure that the potentials for richochet and over penetration have been accounted for. 

    And let me just add, that concealed means concealed.  Trust me on this.  There are only 3 states that have no form of concealed carry at all… unless you’re in one of those states, you’ve been around people with guns and have never known it.  That’s the way it will be at this school.  The district will know who is armed, but the students never will.

    They’re not letting just anybody stick a pistol in their pocket and come to school… there is training and there is screening going on here people.

  • What if the teachers shoot the students instead? O_O

  • It is insanity.  I’ve known a few teachers whose personalities weren’t all that stable.

  • nope, i dont believe so. teachers are just like the students in a way. the same thing that could make a student snap, could make a teacher snap. its not very much safer

  • No, this a BAD idea…..The guns are going to end up in the hands of students…….who might do something absymally stupid with them….as a frat prank maybe…….God, what are they thinking?

  • The stupidity, hysteria & blatant ignorance with which people approach this topic is mind-boggling. Should we disarm law enforcement officers too? If not, why should they have a monopoly on the right to defend themselves & others? Are the rest of us less worthy? Less valuable? If a teacher isn’t stable enough, educated enough, trustworthy enough to be trusted with the posession a defensive weapon, then they shouldn’t be trusted with our kids under ANY conditions. Why do you suppose the occasional wacko intent on mass murder chooses a school as a target? Because the intended victims are ALL guaranteed to be unarmed. Helpless! Defensless! Forbidding responsible people from posessing weapons for self defense is nothing more than victim disarmament. It makes us all less safe. Arguments to the contrary are invariably based on fear. Fear of the unknown. Fear stemming from ignorance. Educate yourselves! http://leaa.org/ , http://jpfo.org/index.htm , http://www.gunowners.org/ 

  • My question is who will really be to blame if a student steals one of said guns and uses it?

  • If a couple of my teachers had guns with them when I was in high school I probably would not be alive today.

  • That being said though, I still think it is a good idea.

    I know that even law enforcement officers were not allowed to carry guns into any of the schools that I attended up until I got into college.  It would have been very easy for someone to walk into the school with a gun and kill whole bunch of people before anyone else could have a gun, and thus a way to take down the gunman, anywhere near the school.  How does that make anyone safe?

  • good old texas!

  • That’s just got problems written all over it.  I don’t think by arming the teachers will solve the violence issue.  It’s like giving pilots guns to arm themselves.  If the guns end up in the wrong hands it can be really bad!

  • Here’s the gist.  Licensed concealed gun carrying citizens are demonstrably among the least crime prone group in the country.  Wherever concealed carry is allowed, violent crime drops.  Time and again, convicted violent felons cite the possibility of their intended victim being armed as their foremost deterrant. 

    Then there’s this:  Schools are the most vulnerable targets for criminals, crazies and terrorists because they are “gun-free”.  Churches, malls and even restaurants are likewise favored targets of mass killers… and precisely for the same reason.  Many innocent victims in one area and with no protection.  It didn’t start with Columbine and it certainly hasn’t ended there.

    One armed citizen is all it takes to stop a killing spree.  The very presence or possibility of an armed citizen who’s prepared to take action against murderers is a vital safeguard.  And to expose children to the danger of a crazed killer roaming the hallways (depending on a no-gun sign to prevent this!) is not just foolish, but, in reality, criminally negligent. 

    Our children’s safety means everything.  It is the responsibility of all adults not only to educate their minds and enrich their souls, but to be fiercely protective of their lives.  It’s what adults are for.

  • @saintvi - i agree with you.. it’s a fucking GRAND idea!!

    omg.. seriously.. what complete moron thought that would be a good idea!?! 

    they should be shot.

  •  Wow lovely idea. What happens when a teacher snaps and has a gun handy. Or more a kid gets ahold of the gun. Guns shouldn’t be alowed on or anywhere near a school.

  • well anyway.. it’ll just work out as survival of the smartest..
    any parent dumb enough to send there child to that school will be eliminated from the gene pool via, guns.  It’s as simple as that..

    i’m still a little amazed someone would pass that..

  • @jjw247 - i really disagree with that.. i understand the argument pro-gun.. bur quite frankly if there were no guns whatsoever.. or they were too difficult to get for EVERYONE.. neither the good guys nor the bad quys would have them… then there would be no reason to arm yourself in that manner because there would be no fear..  more people are killed each year by a family member or someone they live with then by a criminal or someone during a break-in.

    oorr.. we could all do as Chris Rock suggests and make Bullets REALLY freakin’ expensive.. like 10,000 per bullet…  people would REALLY have to not like somebody to go for that!  talk about a drop in crime rates.. taking out a second mortgage for a bullet?? a little suspicious don’t you think??

  • @stalkdebbie - They aren’t promoting violence; they are preventing it. Who would be dumb enough to bring a gun to school when he knows teachers have the ability to protect themselves and their classes?

    It’s not “common” sense, but it is sense.

  • @QuietDiscerning - What you said is not true; if it was difficult for everyone to get guns (which it is right now) then only the criminals, who disregard laws and steal freely, would have guns, while those who obey the laws would not. However, if teachers and pilots and other such positions were able to have guns, as it was when this country was first started (all had the right to bear arms) then criminals would be less willing to use theirs, for fear of their own lives.   What would America have done when they declared Independence, had it not been for all the civilians being allowed to carry firearms?

  • “Sit down, pay attention or I’ll fucking shoot you” is what most teachers want to say in the first place.  Put a gun in their hands?  I don’t think that’s very intelligent.

  • @CormackMcKinney - this is a new century and maybe thats how it was then.. but who said they were doing things properly.. if you want to have a security officer or 2 or 3 at the school that is armed.. then FINE.. that would even do some good adding jobs to the market.. but just because someone can obtain a weapon doesn’t me that they should.  they might pass some test.. but there are still criminals passing those tests.. i grew up without a gun in the house and quite frankly nothing bad came of it.. i happen to know SEVERAL people who hold firearms that should not.  i think all that adding guns to schools does is make any problem worse…  it give students who are conscious of the situation a fear that tells them that there are bad people in the world and they will try to kill you and you need a gun a lot of times when children grow up in a situation of distrust of the world.. they become the ones not to be trusted.. there is no necessity for guns WHATSOEVER.. 

    also,  lets use Colombine as an example… if teachers had firearms.. they MAY have been stopped.. but it was in their plan to  kill themselves anyway.. so that would have just changed around perhaps the order of events or numbers.. but people would have still died…

    AND.. if it is a different type of crime… a criminal with a gun won’t necessarily shoot if they know you cant shoot back..

    if the teacher has a gun unexpectedly and the criminal sees all that might happen is that both of the attacker and the teacher end up dead or wounded.  It’s not good to mess with the head or startle an attacker…they just may get scared and do something rash.

    all that guns really do is to complicate the situation

  • @QuietDiscerning -

    “but just because someone can obtain a weapon doesn’t me that they should.”
    I agree completely.

    “they might pass some test.. but there are still criminals passing those tests”
    Criminals would have guns anyway; they wouldn’t need to pass any test because they would just break the law. Laws will never stop criminals from having weapons, only the law-abiding citizens.

    If the teachers at Colombine had a gun, then yes the shooter will have died but he probably would have been stopped long before he took as many innocent lives as he did.

    I agree with you that there is no neccessity for guns whatsoever. However, the fact is that there ARE guns, and much larger percentage of criminals have them than do other civilians. Passing laws makes it harder for civilians to get guns, but does not stop the criminals from getting them because they do not get them lawfully anyway.

    If kids grew up with teachers that had guns, they would not feel any less safe (in fact they may even feel safer). The fear of guns is something that is socialized. If the kids grew up in a society where it was normal for teachers to have guns, they would not feel any less safe than kids growing up here and now do. So that argument is pointless. Guns will never be eliminated, but, unfortunately, sometimes they are the best way to prevent criminals from using theirs.

  • @CormackMcKinney - it’s not normal for people to carry firearms and students shouldn’t be exposed to anything that has to do with violence such as guns

  • @stalkdebbie - They already are exposed to violence, unfortunately. But teachers having guns would, in the long run, stop much of the violence in schools.

  • @CormackMcKinney - We can’t stop violence by doing an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth tactics. If students bring guns then send them somewhere else and tighten the security of the school.

  • That will only make some students more likely to bring guns to school. I say train teachers in self defense and negotiating skills. That’ll quell more violence, I think. Schools should be places of education, not warzones.

  • WHAT?!!?!? Ok, so they can *have* them, but can they *use* them? And if so, what do Texan laws dictate as … I’m so shocked I can’t even word this… What I want to know is on whom do they think the Texas teachers will be using these weapons? And worse, what if a KID gets ahold of it!?!?!

  • More like an accident waiting to happen u_u;

    Guns never belong in schools under any circumstances…
    My uncle has always said that he’s never bought a gun because he knows he’d use it. Hopefully these teachers won’t bring those guns to school for the same reason.

  • I think that’s just asking for trouble. It’ll be on the news sometime soon “School teacher shot” or “student shot teacher with the teachers’ gun” blah blah…ugh

  • @CormackMcKinney - I used to think the same way you do.

    Perhaps guns in school are not promoting violence, I don’t entirely believe that if those guns are locked up somewhere and not in a desk or something that kids will get a hold of the guns or that the teachers will be messing around and shoot a student. It’s possible though, and I’d rather not take the chance, but thats not up for me to decide since I don’t have a child nor am I a teacher, and it is our right to bear arms. But having the guns there is certainly not preventing violence, nor is it comforting anyone, nor will it prevent violence in the long run in schools.

    I just want to point out one flaw in your logic, that if teachers/pilots have guns, it will deter violent crime. The sad fact is that no, it wont. Petty crime, perhaps. But violent crime, murder and the such, the such that we’re concerned with? Not so much. Just having the ability to kill the bad guy faster doesn’t mean it’ll happen, in fact, it hasn’t happened, and I don’t think anyone wants to conduct the research necessary to find out either.

    Criminals really can give a damn less if they’re attacking a school that has guns, mostly because those kinds of people, who are violence driven psychopaths/terrorist believe the more violence the better. If you’ve ever sat and talked to these people, you’d know how wrong you are. (I have, it’s very disturbing)

    No petty thieves rob schools. People with bombs that want to enact chaos attack schools, hijack air planes, burn churches, ect ect. Guns in the hands of the teachers adds to the chaos, and puts blood on the hands of innocent people. These guys are beyond wacko and don’t care much for whats “Smart” and whats not.

    I don’t believe that having guns in a school is necessary, since realistically, It wont prevent violence, and it wont ease anyone’s mind.

  • This is retarded.  “Lets allow the teachers to bring guns, so when things get out of control they can whip it out and set the kids straight.”  That is the dumbest way to teach any sort of non-violence activity in a public school.  The kids will want to retaliate with their own guns and we’ll have some fireworks go off in some classrooms with blood all over the blackboard.

  • gah, this brings up the nightmare I had where a math teacher shot all the students in the head then ran for it. great.

  • Wow, apparently he has his own definition of common sense. What if the teachers kills one of the kids? What then? Just bring metal detecters and have them search the kids.

  • There are far too many misconceptions flying around here for me to even make a dent in without quitting my job… so I’ll just pick a couple:

    “more people are killed each year by a family member or someone they live with then by a criminal or someone during a break-in.”

    This myth just won’t die. The “study” that reached this preconceived conclusion actually used the criteria of “people known by the victim”. This included drug dealers who knew each other, stalkers who knew the victim, abusive ex-spouses/boyfriends/girlfriends, etc…. If you think about it, most violent crimes, regardless of weapons used, occur between people who knew each other in some capacity. The fact that we make it so difficult for potential victime to obtain the means to defend themselves exacerbates the problem tremendously.

    “do as Chris Rock suggests and make Bullets REALLY freakin’ expensive”

    Chris Rock is a comedian. This is a joke. Jokes are not to be taken seriously. At least not by anyone with an even vague grasp of reality. How would we stop people from making their own bullets? Or their own guns? But since we’re proposing the elimination of an entire societys most basic civil right, maybe we should also lobotomize them to eliminates all problem solving skills & prevent them from doing anything other than what the world’s self-appointed busy-bodies dictate to them.

  • There’s a kid somewhere inside the school, armed and dangerous; all the classrooms are on lockdown, and every teacher in every single classroom is armed with a gun.

    He says, “It’s common sense.”

    So you’re telling me that it’s common sense to arm a teacher with a gun? How much better does that make the teacher than the armed-and-dangerous student outside? Even if it was for the safety of the students inside the classrooms, you’d arm a staff member with a gun ready to shoot, just in case, god forbid, a crazed person tries to harm someone? How is that supposed to teach the students to deal with a situation like that?

    Violence is not the solution. Fear is not the solution. Guns are most certainly not the solution.

    This man’s logic is flawed.

    What if the teacher goes crazy? Starts shooting up the place? What then? Will he arm the students with guns then? Oh, but wait.. that’s just preposterous isn’t it? Well if that is.. what about the teacher?

    There should be another way.

  • Although I support the 2nd ammendment, I don’t see why teachers would NEED guns.

    Is this truly about “what if someone gets in?”.
    It sounds like to me, what they are trying to say is, “Teachers need to protect themselves from the kids”.
    And if that is, indeed, the case, then those kids shouldn’t even be in a normal school in the first place.

  • WTF YOU STUPID HICKS

    That’s it. I propose Massachusetts, California, and New York secede from the US. We shall henceforth be called the United States of Common Sense. We shall refer to the rest of you as Backwardsland. One day you will beg to be saved from your own destruction, and we will consider it.

  • People responding “no” in this post seem to be rather afraid of the chance that a teacher might be insane.
    Think of it this way, if a student brings a gun to school, he just might have some issues. While if a teacher had a gun there is only a chance that he or she may have troubling issues, but in the other hand teachers certified to carry a gun were examined and approved with a seal of approval (Texan style, with a metal rod)… I think I would feel very safe if I knew my teacher had a gun and was a certified user.

  • @mikaisaotome - 

    “But having the guns there is certainly not
    preventing violence, nor is it comforting anyone, nor will it prevent
    violence in the long run in schools.”
    Certainly? Have you researched this? In places where alcohol is legal at much younger ages, there are not more crimes involving alcohol (in fact there are less), and in places where guns are legal, there are not more crimes either (in fact, in many I think, there are less).

    “I just want to point out one flaw in your logic”
    I read that whole paragraph and I didn’t see you point out the flaw… You merely disagreed with me. However, you did say “in fact it hasn’t happened”, implying that research has been done to prove that criminals do not die sooner when people have guns, yet you contradicted yourself by saying no research had been done…  You are not convincing, only passionately disagreeing because of your bad feelings associated with guns. (There have been more crimes committed with other weapons than there have with guns, AND one reason crimes go down in areas is because they employ more police there, and police have guns.)

    “Criminals really can give a damn less if
    they’re attacking a school that has guns, mostly because those kinds of
    people, who are violence driven psychopaths/terrorist believe the more
    violence the better. If you’ve ever sat and talked to these people,
    you’d know how wrong you are. (I have, it’s very disturbing)”
    Actually, I have a degree in Psychology and am currently working on my Doctorate in Psychology… The people that talk so violently like that are not likely to do it. It’s usually people who don’t talk about that somehow snap and go on those killing sprees. It’s true that they usually have a death wish and would do it anyway, but it’s also true that they would be stopped sooner. It takes less time for a brave teacher to unlock his gun and go stop the guy than it does for the police to arrive and do the job themselves. Each minute more kids could be getting shot…

    “Guns in the hands of the teachers adds to the chaos, and puts blood on the hands of innocent people.”
    “Blood on the hands” suggests that the person whose hands those are is not innocent but guilty… But I know what you meant; and no, it puts blood on the heads of the guilty people.

  • @stalkdebbie - 
    “We can’t stop violence by doing an eye for
    an eye, a tooth for a tooth tactics. If students bring guns then send
    them somewhere else and tighten the security of the school.”
    How do you suppose they tighten the security? Buy employing more officers that have the ability to use force, if necessary. People with guns, who will perhaps make people go through metal detectors and whatnot. We (the USA) have supposedly minimized violence for years using the eye for an eye tooth for a tooth tactic. They are called police and prisons. If tooth for a tooth doesn’t stop violence, then our whole foundation for law in this nation is flawed…
    (Which, by the way, I think it IS.   :)

  • what if a teacher uses it to threaten a student and then rape her

  • This idea’s intentions are good, but the idea itself is still dangerous. @_@ What makes you think crazy teachers wouldn’t shoot people?

  • Yep.  As long as they are responsible with the guns.  Meaning they must keep them locked away from the children and sign an agreement saying one gun-realted mess-up and they are fired.

  • @CormackMcKinney - 

    First of all, Alcohol is another issue entirely, and recent cross
    cultural research at UC Davis by a grad student named Michale Bheil
    shows otherwise to everything you’ve said regarding this issue.

    Now then, back to the issue. We’re talking about guns in the hands of
    teachers, which has narrowed down to whether guns in their hands would
    deter violent crime:

    The Flaw that you appear to have in your logic is that if teachers have
    guns it will deter crime. My argument is that it wont because the
    people that attack schools are going to attack them anyway.

    I backed this argument by offering my experience about those that have
    committed crimes of the like and similar. Your right that there are
    people who are just blow holing about how violent they are, and there
    are those who are reserved and snapped. I wasn’t excluding the quiet
    ones from the pool of psychopaths (if you reread the post you’ll see
    that I didn’t), though I still stand that if they’re going to attack a
    school, they’re going to attack regardless if the teachers have guns.
    Again, the flaw in your logic that having guns will deter crime: “They
    aren’t promoting violence; they are preventing it. Who would be dumb
    enough to bring a gun to school when he knows teachers have the ability
    to protect themselves and their classes. It’s not “common” sense, but
    it is sense.” These people don’t have the same senses that you and I
    do.

    Anyways, I was offering the example of the really scary psychopaths that
    don’t snap because it was easiest to offer up the ones that do talk. That premeditate and enjoy what they’re doing and have done
    and would give anything to do it again.

    Sorry to be a little rude, but when someone flashes their degree in my
    face that’s the same as mine, and belittles my knowledge of MY line of
    work, I get a little touchy. 

    Guns in a school will not prevent violent crime. Perhaps petty, but not violent, as I said before.

  • @mikaisaotome - “First of all, Alcohol is another issue entirely, and recent cross
    cultural research at UC Davis by a grad student named Michale Bheil
    shows otherwise to everything you’ve said regarding this issue.”
    Okay, although the older research I have seen contradicts this, I’ll take your word for it.

    “The Flaw that you appear to have in your logic is that if teachers have
    guns it will deter crime.”
    I’m not arguing that guns in the hands of teachers will deter crime. I am arguing that it will ultimately save more lives. I do submit that there will be psychopaths with a death wish that will do the school shooting thing – however, I argued that they would be stopped sooner if the teachers had guns.

    I’m sorry for being rude as well; I was merely trying to show you that I’ve examined that aspect of psychology and know what I’m talking about.

    So you have a Psych degree too?

  • @CormackMcKinney - 

    I pointed out earlier your comment that guns in the hands of teachers would prevent crime rather than promote it. That’s the comment I have a problem with.

    Yes, I have a degree in clinical psychology focusing in fields of forensic psychology and child development. Though I usually prefer to keep my educational background to myself in a debate, as well as other personal details. Especially in those that take place online, which I’m sure you can understand.
    Anyways, that was a healthy experience, have a good night now.

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