August 30, 2008
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Experience: Obama Vs. Palin
Is it ironic that those who are saying Sarah Palin is too inexperienced to be vice-president are Obama supporters?
Is it ironic that those who are saying Sarah Palin is too inexperienced to be vice-president are Obama supporters?
Comments (148)
Heh.
No, because she’s a woman. Duh.
That just shows people don’t want a female in the White House.
I’m probably more for Obama than anyone right now. But I do like Mccain. I need to do more research on Little Miss Sarah before I let my opinion alter anymore.
-CrazyKey123
yes
Yes it really is.
People who live in glass houses…
Ironic….I haven’t seen anything that Obama’s done for anyone except for himself.
Sarah Palin is much more experienced at actually getting things done, and also at experiencing real life.
It absolutely is. It is like everyone is afraid to say that they do not like Obama for fear of being called a racist.
In retrospect, my comment was kind of dumb.
Anyway, it’s not ironic, just telling.
@CallMeQuell - very true.
Well, she does have less experience than Obama (in years, not in status) AND she’s younger. I personally think it’s ironic that McCain picked a VP who is 3-years younger than Obama when he’s been attacking Obama’s young age for most of the race. It was pretty smart politics on his part though, because now a lot of the women who were for Hillary just because she’s a woman are going to vote for McCain because his VP is a woman.
Ironic yes…whether or not it’s true is another issue.
It’s funny because she is actually more experienced.
I dont get it……
Dan, you’re misusing ironic here.
Is it hypocritical that the man and party who’s main argument is that Obama is not ready to lead picked a VP candidate with even less experience?
@CrazyKey123 - As a feminist, I would LOVE to see a woman in the white house and I can think of a few Republican females who would be perfectly capable. Palin is not one of them.
Obama has a lot more experience than Palin. What does she have on her resume? Two years as governor and the experience of being on the city council for a town of 7,000?
Obama has ten years of public office experience. Go figure.
its not ironic. Can you honestly imagine Putin taking her seriously? Its not because she is a woman either because Hilary Clinton would have commanded respect.
Palin as VP pick = FAIL
She’s been governor of Alaska for TWO years following a a stint as mayor for a town of 9,000. Where do you see her as experienced for the job at all?
@revengeoftheturtleneck - I would like to see a woman in the White House as well, but do I think Hilary is that woman? Hella no. I don’t know much about Palin or what she stands for or what she wants from this. But I expect to find out.
-CrazyKey123
I think Obama is inexperienced as is McSAME. They would both do a crap load of harm to the united states and possibly end it. It wouldn’t be called the united states anymore, it would be called the north american union and only would be a boarderless regional block with insane boarder defences that cause harm to it’s own citizens, powerless to the successfully reformed UN, but only if the UN can even reform successfully.
This might be the not far off future of the united states, perhaps 2 YEARS FROM NOW or more.
CFR/Trilateral Commission/Bilderberg to Replace the currency or try to 2 YEARS FROM NOW, thus making the four cent dollar worthless, nul and void.
Obama supporters are just bitter because McCain likes to comment on how inexperienced Obama is.
Obama might have more political expirience by a few years, but Palin’s actually served in an executive office.
@CrazyKey123 - Great that you see Hilllary as a psycho because she is. Her whole past is questionable, shrouded in shadows.
eh, Go Obama!
there is not a yes or no here… at least not for me.. all I know is that Sarah Palin allows Ariel HUnts on Wolves.. she has offered $150. bounty on all wolves.. even though they are protected.. she will not respond to any emails.. phone calls.. regarding the illegal hunts… nor does mccain.. he ignores emails about social security.. hell he does not even know how many houses he owns…which tells me they are hiding a bunch of crap.. that only money can hide… and then there is Obama… inexperience? maybe.. then maybe not.. I like what he says about Social Security.. medicare.. and the outcast of cast.. the war.. He has made sound judgments..unlike the other 2 whom fit each others shoes very well.. ignorance goes a long way i
Her experience and judgment can’t be commented on in my opinion because we have no idea who she is and what she’s done. HOWEVER the fact that John McCain picked her to trust our country in her hands if need be after only physically meeting her once and talking to her once by cell phone is whose experience I worry about.
He didn’t properly vet this woman. He didn’t properly get to know this woman.
She’s a heartbeat away from President people. A Stalin/Hitler type against Roe v. Wade.
She is the antichrist and if we’re supposed to vote for her because she was selfish and had a kid at 43 where she put herself and her child at risk of being born with severe birth defects (which the baby has Downs) then that’s not a couragous thing. It’s stupid.
If he’s looking for Hillary voters simply to vote for a woman not depending on what that woman stands for the McCain is a fucktard. Plain and simple.
Say no to McCain, his “hottie” and their bullshit.
Isn’t it “ironic” how McCain has been saying that Obama is too inexperienced, and then he chooses her to be vice president?
@ashiri7016 - Oh sick burn!
@TomasekBride - *high five*
I think McCain’s picking Palin was a bold move, but he could’ve made it even bolder by picking Rice.
i think its ridiculous that people are putting so much focus on the fact that McCain said that obama has so little experience and and then he picks his VP and she has little experience. She isnt running against Obama, McCain is running against him. Palin is running in support of McCain against obama. I think it would be completely reasonable to focus on it if she were the actual Republican candidate for president. but she isn’t.
flip that.
Palin is igloo park trash.
She’s in the pockets of Alaskan oil prospectors and is for digging up one of Alaska’s few remaining natural reserves. Her environmental policies read like some kind of evil fur trapper cliche, only this time there is no rag tag band of kids and their talking bear to get rid of her.
She, by her own admission, has virtually no Capitol Hill experience. Obama doesn’t top that by much, however the political experience garnered from working with a bunch of psychotic politicians, while it adds a nasty tinge of the dubious, is more useful than being a wolf killin’ trapper governess…governer. right.
And if you’re still being a crinkley bitch about experience, Biden makes both candidates an even match. An ominous, soul wretchingly even match.
Go obama?
Yea. A buddy of mine makes a good point about that:
http://marcmidnightmusings.blogspot.com/
No, its not ironic. She governs Alaska. She’s inexperienced with Washington politics. And lets face it, she’s going to have to work in Washington. I also agree with CancerAbuse about Obama having made sound judgments. And I absolutely want to see a woman in the White House. I just don’t want to see Palin, mainly because I don’t agree with her political views. What I don’t want, however, is to see a woman win by default (This is if Palin gets in because McCain dies simply of old age while on the job as President). I want a woman to win the election. That will be something to be celebrated.
I mainly brought it up b/c I find it ironic and hypocritical that McCain’s been going on about how Obama has no experience, then picked someone with even less.
I don’t necessarily think experience means someone will be good or bad for the job.
Yeah, but expected.
I’m still writing in “Bugs Bunny” for president….but who would he pick for VP? I’m thinkin’ foghorn leghorn.
she has two years of experience as governor of alaska, while obama has eight as a senator in illinois. she’s 44, he’s 47. i think he has her beat.
i think the main point is that john mccain now has no excuse to play up obama’s inexperience, because his own running mate is far less experienced than barack. he’s essentially trashed his own best argument.
Obama only had a year in the Senate, and usually answered ‘here’ rather than actually vote, but she was governor and ran the state of Alaska for two years. The dems keep saying she has no foreign policy experience, but neither does Obama. He’s the one running for the top office, not her, so yes, I think it’s a little ironic.
No. Why would they be McCain’s supporters? Than that would be ironic.
They had to counter with some statement; even if it may be correct .
There is a big difference. Sarah Palin’s inexperience shows in a big way. It shows in the Alaska Troopergate scandal, In which Palin fired a top leevel official because he stood on following procedures, despite Palin’s attempt to get her ex-brother-in-law fired.
Not the Brother-in-law was probably no saint, but he had been disciplined already. Palin appears to have been micro managing, acting like a control freek, and attempting to run roughshod over due process. She may very well get herself impeached by the Alaska State Legislature.
There are other questions about Palin that may soon see the light day. May be Palin has already started to read Richard Nixon’s Checkers speech.
@brighterthan_sunshine72 - I believe people are upset because if McCain were to croak (and keep in mind, he is 72 and in “decent” health) this woman would be his successor. It is a bit scary to think that this woman with such little experience could take over the greatest country in the world.
Palin is going to kick Obama’s ass!
it is interesting to me how many people seem to think that palin has less experience than obama.
palin first held political office in 1992. obama’s first office was held in 1997. sarah had been interacting in the realm of politics for five years before obama ran.
if anything, the democratic POTUS candidate is less qualified than the republican VP pick.
hahaha, she’s only served her first term as governor and has only operated on a state level… but she was a very good strategic move on mccain’s part, in my opinion. he realizes that people are paying attention to more shallow aspects of this election… i barely hear anything about mccain compared to how much i hear about obama. and now that he’s chosen a woman, palin, to be his VP, he’s garnered a lot of media attention. and i know a few non parties (namely my dad) who also find palin attractive. so if the people want someone young and vivacious, well…
but i have no personal opinion on who i would vote for.
@bartoncii - nobody knows why she fired the trooper, really, except sarah palin. she is being investigated because political leaders in ak don’t like sarah. she doesn’t do what she wants them too. it is a blatant smear campaign against a popular governor that they don’t like.
I don’t care about vice presidents, either one.
@tinahawt - i don’t think that holds water. with the little experience obama has, if it is scary that sarah palin might take over as president, how scary should it be that obama is running as prez?
lol…You gotta love politics..or do you?
~I don’t .. ha ha
Do you know what other countries have? A president and a prime minister. Clearly our country is abandoning our own systems of checks and balances, and creating a prime ministership. That’s why vice presidents are becoming prominent.
they’re grasping at straws.
Obama still has more experience. NEENER NEENER NEENER!!
When the Governor of a state seeks to force the firing of am employee with whom she has a personal vindetta, it is at the very least micromanaging, and at worst an abuse of power. We have seen in the last 8 years a president and vice-president who were willing to run roughshod over rules. State Legislators of both political parties voted to launch an investigation into Palin’s conduct. Were Palin a Democrat, and Obama’s choice for running mate, Republicans would be screaming to high heaven about these issues. The Palin selection raises questions about McCains Judgement, and it is not just democrats who are saying this. .
she actually has served in an executive office
I can see how the irony cuts both ways, but considering she’s the VP and would be acting according to McCain’s experience and wisdom in Washington versus Obama calling the shots from his own inexperience I’d say Palin’s far safer than Obama. Furthermore- she knows how to get real reform accomplished, she knows how to take on political corruption (and win), she is very clear and upfront and honest about who she is and what she does whereas people still don’t know what to think of Obama cuz the man can’t talk straight. Finally, she knows how to handle an executive position whereas Obama only knows legislative power.
McCain and Palin 08!!!
@bartoncii - they haven’t proven that she sought the firing of an employee once she became governor. before she became governor (while she was a mayor), she did. he drank in his patrol car, tasered his step son and threatened the life of his father-in-law. as far as anyone is concerned (innocent until proven guilty and all that), it stopped there. she asked about him once right after she was elected (regarding her safety and her family’s safety) and that was that. other people pushed the matter, but as far as any evidence that has actually been seen publicly is concerned, that is all sarah palin did.
Yes, it is.
Good thing I’m an Obama support and her experience doesn’t really bother me.
She’s qualified for the position based on her response to government and corporate corruption.
The problem is she’s pro-life, anti-gay and big oil…
no, that’s what should be expected from them.
It is clear that the Alaska state legislature belives that there are sufficient grounds to investigate the governors conduct. You list a set of accusations against Palin’s brother-in-Law that were made in an acrimonious divorce trial. They may or may not been true. Thopse accusations were also brought against the trouper to police authorities. To date he has not been charged with any criminal violation of the law. It is the responsibility of Alaska law enforcement officials, and not a personally biased governor to determine if the trouper involved should be charged with a crime. The governot may disagree with the judgement of law enforcement issues, but she has fundamentally confused her personal views, with her responsibilities as governor. Sje has clearly decided that she is above the law and has the right to issue orders to state employees to punish people she is personally angry with. That is an abuse of power.
@bartoncii - ’”The record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession,” Col. Julia Grimes, then head of Alaska State Troopers, wrote in March 1, 2006, letter suspending Wooten for 10 days. After the union protested it, the suspension was reduced to five days.”
“Troopers eventually investigated 13 issues and found four in which Wooten violated policy or broke the law or both:
• Wooten used a Taser on his stepson.
• He illegally shot a moose.
• He drank beer in his patrol car on one occasion.
• He told others his father-in-law would “eat a f’ing lead bullet” if he helped his daughter get an attorney for the divorce. “
from http://www.adn.com/front/story/476430.html
No — because they’re pointing out the walking contradiction that is the Mccain campaign. For weeks they’ve tried to make this about experience – that McCain’s experience matters. To take that stance and then pick a VP who has NO national political experience and is governor of the 47th most populous US state (and for only about 2 years) is laughable — Obama supporters are merely pointing that out. Her lack of experience now makes Obama look like friggin’ John bloody Adams.
It is not the right of a govenor to deny an state employee due process. She is not judge and jury, and because of her personal biases, should not have involved herself in the case. Would you tolerate similar behavior if the Govetnor were a Democrat?
I would hope not. This is an abuse of power and gross misconduct by Palin, regardless of the rights and wrongs of the case.
Only to people who have no idea how politics works.
@bartoncii - this is presented by the national media as an abuse of power and gross misconduct by palin. what it comes down to is the firing of a governor-appointed employee, followed by a politician questioning that firing. i don’t remember reading that monegan said anything about his firing being related to the governor’s former brother-in-law until i read it in a national paper. he repeatedly said that he didn’t know why he was fired, and when asked about wooten (the in-law) monegan said that he was not at liberty to discuss personnel information.
YES. especially since it takes more to be the president. we aren’t electing palin to run our nation (although i would vote for her). The main focus is mccain vs. obama. not palin vs. biden.
p.s. mccain picking palin just swung my vote republican
@bartoncii - again, as far as any evidence goes, she didn’t involve herself with the case once she was governor. when she was a mayor, she did. she didn’t have the power to deny the due process then.
Andrew Sullivan identifies himself as a conservative, although he like Bob Barr has criticized George Bush for abusing his power. Sulllivan says:
“Okay, so first Palin claims there was no pressure. Then she learns
of these calls. And while many of them are entirely appropriate, some
are not. And she can see that the “serial nature of the contacts could
be perceived as some kind of pressure, presumably at my direction.”
“And yet, according to Monegan, she herself was doing exactly the
same thing she later professed to be so shocked that others were doing.
So how credible is it that she wasn’t directing her staff to pressure
Monegan when she was doing the same thing herself? And what difference
does it even make? It seems quite clear that all of this emanated from
Pallin and that she was actively in it. So she abused her power as
governor and then almost certainly lied about her involvement. Why did
McCain pick her?”
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/211524.php
@bartoncii - i’m still basically just seeing the media trying to paint this out of proportion. generally, i would agree that it isn’t credible that she wasn’t directing her staff to do it, etc, etc. i have been following this story since it first hit adn, though, and the national news has twisted what is actually happening.
i didn’t know monegan had given that interview with the washington post. interesting presentation of information there. it manages to just hint that she pressured him, without saying it.
Monegan is in a difficult position. He does not want to appear as a disgruntaled employee, but he can hardly avoid the feeling that he has been very ill treated. Im the lower 48 this is not a big story in the media, but it is a very big story among bloggers. And some conservatives are upset about Palin. This may not be the only story about Palin rocking the internet before long. in fact Karl Rove is probably wishing that the Democrats had nominated Palin.
@bartoncii - thanks for the conversation. i like discussing things intelligently.
thepianist86. you are most welcome. i prefer to look at the evidence and thinkthings through, before i make my judgements.
@bartoncii - i also like to try to look at the evidence and think through what i read. unfortunately, i dislike the media quite a lot. =) tends to slant my view of just about anything i read there.
I criticize the media too, but rememberas George OPrwell once said, Just because you read something in theTelegraph, does not mean that it is wrong.
@bartoncii - lol. good quote.
I find it actually hypocritical — She is the only one on either ticket with executive experience
Yep
McCain only chose her as his running mate because of her sex and right-wing agenda and everyone knows that. Sure she’s held an executive office; big friggen deal; noone can possibly argue that she is qualified to take control of this country should McCain die in office. But her ideas are what keep me from liking her; her inexperience is just the icing on the cake for me.
He chose her because he’s trying to get Hilary’s supporters. Pandering.
@UnVolume - my thoughts exactly
haha, yeah.
part of the reason i haven’t made up my mind about obama.
I noticed that too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But she is not running for the President, thats a big difference!
I can’t believe the Obama campaign called her ‘inexperienced’. Now both McCain and Obama look like idiots throwing that term around.
i think the best option (honestly(flame me, i really don’t care)) is to not even go to the polls this November.
Because the VP is hugely important…
Well the answer to that is very simple.
Most Obama supporters are as uneducated as me.
This is indeed one of the poorest elections I have ever seen.
But then again, see answer above.
I don’t want a welfare state, and I don’t want legislation based on biblical morality extrapolated down to damn near creationist ideas projected onto a clump of cells.
In the end, I think a welfare state would be less invasive on my life, we can always topple those laws, we can’t oust the supreme court justice who has the deciding vote in overturning Roe v Wade.
The lesser of two really piss poor choices.
Yes.
A better argument would be that she’s a completely insane arch-conservative, but hey…
Yes it is.
And Palin has done more for reform with her two years as governor than Obama has done in four years in the Senate.
(shrugs) it’s a balanced ticket: old fart and hockey mom
No, it’s only hypocritical.
they are laying that charge mostly to point out the irony behind mccain’s criticism of obama…so i feel like this whole argument is kinda like the chicken/egg conundrum.
in this situation, however, we know the cause of the “experience” discussion. it’s mccain (as well as obama’s former democratic opponents) that made “experience” an issue. so i think it’s fair game for obama’s camp to sling that right back and say that at the very least, with palin’s self-proclaimed indifference with international affairs (as well as the fact that the alaskan population is a fraction of the population of chicago), we shouldn’t be questioning obama’s inexperience.
i mean, hey, everyone has the right defend him/herself, right?
i totally agree that she is inexperienced.. i mean.. she was governor of ALASKA for like years…
-adieu, stace
In November, we will see one very massive train wreck. Have fun at the implosion.
an as alaskan resident, i know sarah palin’s background. shes served as a mat-su valley burro chairperson for a year, then became mayor of wasilla and then recently (less than a year ago) became our governer. she has never been a senator, and has no federal experience. i support obama because he has had more experience with bigger issues in washington. not to mention sarah palin made a commitment to our state first. she isn’t ready. i hate ted stevens but even he would be a better candidate. if sarah palin is allowed to be the next vice prez, i should be allowed to be the fucking queen of england.
I wouldn’t say the choice is dangerous like many of the Democratic pundits are saying, but it is very hypocritical.
I think it’s more ironic that McCain has been harping on Obama about lack of experience and then picked someone who also doesn’t have much experience, and no national experience.
@Sungball - No, because Palin isn’t the top of the ticket. Obama IS the one who’s going to lead.
Dan – yeah, it is ironic. And it sorta undermines their own Messiah there: “EXPERIENCE IS NOT IMPORTANT, so he can has presidency? – but LOOK! LOOK how inexperienced that veep is. Oh man.”
YES. Atleast Palin has governed people before. Barak Obama has no clue how to run anything. Although her people were only three hundred thousdand or something, that’s three hundred thousand more than barak.
Seriously, Dan?
All the stones thrown from the GOP and the McCain camp about Obama’s lack of experience and his choice is Palin?!
@rainingclouds - You’re comparing palin’s resume: Mayor of 8,000 people and Governor for just over a year with 0 federal experience, 0 international experience.
to Obama’s….
Obama: Ivy League Law Degree, State legislature, Senate, foreign policy involvement and trips.
Obama may not have much, but he has some. Palin has just more then nothing.
yeah.
McCain only picked her because she’s the head of the Alaska Oil Commission and he’s obsessed with ruining the environment– err, I mean drilling for oil in Alaska. And she supports it.
Actually, yes, that’s almost the exact definition of ironic. XD
lol I’m not surprised ::rolls eyes:: both of their experience is questionable, but if you surround yourself with the right (experienced) people then hopefully it works out. We’ll see what happens…
Maybe, there is someone else better for this job.
no, it is pathetic
1 Didn’t have a passport until last year.
2 Ended her career as a sportscaster after she realized that to join ESPN she would have to move out of alaska.
3 Opposes abortion in all cases except if mothers life is in danger.
4 Opposes all forms of birth control even for married couples.
5 Wants creationism taught in science classes.
6 Against stem cell research.
7 Against sex education – abstinence only.
8 Claims drilling alone will completely solve the the energy crisis.
9 Claims man has no effect on climate change.
9 Supported the bridge to nowhere.
10 Used her son’s name to scrub her wikipedia page.
11 Is currently under investigation for criminally firing Alaskan officials.
some quotes:
“I could live with censorship of library books.”
“As for that V.P. talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the V.P. does every day?”
“I’ve been so focused on state government, I haven’t really focused much on the war in Iraq. I heard on the news about the new deployments.”
This woman could be one cancer biopsy away from the presidency. Please tell me we aren’t that stupid.
McCain and Palin are the least political of the candidates. Both have gone against their own party at times. When I read about Palin last week I had a feeling she would be McCain’s best choice. McCain’s other choices just as Obama’s choice of Biden would see lots of infighting in the White House. Obama did not choose Hillary because he knows the Clinton’s cannot be trusted. McCain & Palin will win is my prediction.
mccain picked her to sway hillary’s fans even more to him. the fact of the matter is, some are still bitter that hillary lost, so they will just vote for mccain because of their stupidity, or because of the fact that Obama is “black” even though he is half white. people are silly.
no, its not. palin is an idiot with two years of experience, barack is a genius with many more. thank god hes not a fossil like mccain, who has plenty of experience. experience isnt everything
@SladeTheGreyFox - I’d have to agree with you there.
Its incredibly hypocritical.
But then, Obama supported obviously have no grasp of reality anyway.
@IamtheWalrus1309 - Correction: Palin personally squashed the Bridge to Nowhere.
I’m intrigued by the argument that Hilary supporters will automatically vote for McCain because his VP’s a woman. I hope that Hilary supporters would not be quite so shallow, considering that the political stances of the two women are, if not diametrically opposed, then very very different. I don’t necessarily want to vote for a candidate just because they are breaking down “barriers” of some kind, or setting precedent. I hope that voters in the United States might take a look at the issues going on in the campaign, not just at gender/race/age/etc.
@revengeoftheturtleneck - @UnVolume - Governing experience is a lot more useful to a President than legislative experience. We should take a look at how many actual days of work they (Palin vs. Obama) have done while in their offices.
But bigger than that “What have they done?” Palin seems to be waaaaaay out in front..
I think that it’d would be a given that the Obama supporters would be saying that…Like the republicans are ever going to bash there own vice presidential candidate!!
@CancerAbuse - what the hell difference does how many houses one owns make, if you can afford them.
Yes, especially since she is running for VP and Obama is running for President!
@IamtheWalrus1309 - Oh really? She sponsored a $250 million bill for alternative energy developement over a course of 5 years. Haven’t been able to fact check the rest of your comment but most likely there are some more falsehoods or misrepresentations there too.
true and i am one of them.
@jjw247 - THANK YOU.
@UnVolume - Well, hon. Obama’s running for President. Palin’s running for Vice President. I think there’s time for Palin to learn the tricks of the trade before McCain bites the dust (heaven forbid).
Obama can’t beat McCain on experience. Why else did he pick Biden?
As a general rule, Senators have little or no executive experience. Governors do. Palin has not governed long in Alaska, but she has accomplished much. She had an 80% approval rating among her constituents. Congress’ approval ratings are in the tank — and deservedly so. Palin has it all over Obama, and he knows it.
Having said that, the GOP VP pick says more about McCain than it is does Palin. It says that he is listening to his base. Obama did not listen to the Dem base and snubbed Hillary.
McCain has the momentum.
Considering that she has more experience than Obama, I find it interesting. Last I checked, Vice President required less experience than the role of Preident.
@UnVolume - @Sungball - The difference is that she is running as Vice-President and Obama as President. I think we should hold the standard higher for presidency than vice-presidency. Don’t you think?
Also, Palin and Obama equally has little experience.
Haha. Yes. I was going to vote for Hilary except she dropped out. Now I don’t know who to vote for. I really don’t want to vote for McCain, but as long it’s not Obama….
Only slightly. You have to realize that there were probably more people represented by Obama when he was operating on the State Level than Palin represented Alaska as Gov. Also, she has no experience on the national level, but Obama has 4 years as a US Senator.
The true Irony is McCain. he makes this argument about Obama’s inexperience only to pick a VP who is even more when he is trying to become the oldest person to enter the Presidency. It makes his whole argument moot. Nothing shows how bad a candidate is when his VP pick undermines a major campaign theme.
Indeed.
yes, absolutely.
Maybe. But it’s more ironic that, after all of the “he has no experience!” bashing that McCain’s been doing, he picks someone with little experience on the national stage for his VP.
In my belief, both Obama and McCain have shown their hypocrisy in their campaign slogans by who they have chosen for their VP. By picking Joe Biden, Obama can’t (or shouldn’t) use the slogan “CHANGE,” and by McCain picking Sarah Palin he can’t (or shouldn’t) focus on the campaign slogan “EXPERIENCE.”
I don’t support either Obama or McCain for various reasons, and I believe people need to start doing some background research and start looking outside of just voting either Republican or Democrat, because otherwise things are not going to change and many people are going to be disappointed.
*my first xanga comment*
its ironic that those who support mccain say that obama is inexperienced
No because they are pointing out that McCain’s main argument is apparently not too important and the entire campaign has been a series of McCain making a lie that experience is so important.
Yes.
@VoicesoftheRain - Actually when McCain announced Sarah Palin as his running-mate, Obama’s campaign team pulled the same stunt and immediately criticized her of her lack of experience. Obama got them to change their tone right away and sent them to Alaska to check into Palin’s background (which sadly) comparing her to Obama–Palin is governor of Alaska and is current commander-in chief of the Alaska National Guard and her previous experience before being governor was a mayor. Obama is the junior Illinois State Senator whose previous experience was being a lawyer. If there’s anything I’m leaving out, feel free to let me know.
Ironic goes both ways… i’m still waiting for the debates before i conclude which side i’ll vote for… but Reps were accusing Obama of inexperience, Dems saying Obama has plenty of experience. What does the Dems do? they pick a VP who has experience, both solidifying that now the presidential/VP team is solid, yet at the same time, indirectly acknowleding what the Reps were claiming. It should be fun to note that Biden has 40+ years of “washington” experience; is this Obama’s idea of “change” in washington, by picking someone who is all about washington? I don’t get the logic. Hillary would have been the better pick, and I don’t even like her very much.
Dems were accusing McCain as “no change”, So what does McCain do? he goes outside the box and picks someone who’s accomplished a lot for her state, though she may lack “washington” experience. Isn’t that a good thing? Reps finally have someone who is more like McCain 8 years ago. I like McCain, but let’s face it, he’s more “political” these days than during his bid for president 8 years ago. But this decision, reminds me why i started to vote again… in the first place. Good for you, McCain. I agree that Palin is to draw the female voters, but if that was the only case, why not that fem Gov from Texas? In the end, i think the #1 reason why Palin was picked… was b/c she’s on the side of the people first, party lines 2nd. Like McCain. I can respect that.
But like i said, i’m waiting until the debates before i decide who to vote for. I think it’s irresponsible to say you’ll vote for one side or the other side, and not even see them in the debates.
oh, and as for the Palin having little experience bit, etc…
the experience card is McCain vs. Obama…and when you compare those two…Obama is lacking.
Dems are going on the presumption that when McCain gets elected, he’ll pass away… and you get Palin. And since Obama isnt’ likely to pass away due to old age, Obama is better than Palin.
Let’s face reality.. unless the democrats all of a sudden can prophecy…. or hear the voices of the future, no one knows when people will die. They can only assume.
Let’s stop assuming and look at the facts.
Who the VP is, is just the icing on the cake.. the cake is either Obama or McCain. Either Obama or McCain is going to be the president. Let’s vote based on that and stop trying to predict the future to that both reps and dems suckle noodles.
Okay, let’s say McCain just passed away—now why is Obama more qualified than Palin?
Experience is what a person has accomplished–not how long they just stood around in office.
Either way I still say if people are unhappy with both Obama and McCain choices, they should start doing some research on the other parties and their candidates. The mistake today is it seems like a majority of people are programmed to think they have to vote either Democrat or Republican (Obama or McCain). And we are going to keep having a Democrat or Republican President until people get out of that habit and start looking at the other choices.
@The_skeleton_show - it definitely goes both ways. I don’t think being the mayor of a town with 6000 people in it, and then being the governor, for two years, of a state with less people than the city that I currently live in, exactly qualifies her to be vice president of the united states. Palin has no experience in dealing with anything foreign – her entire focus has been about Alaska, and I really doubt she’s ever been to the Middle East, etc.
@VoicesoftheRain - On the contrary, she has dealt with foreign affairs due to Alaska being close to Canada and Russia and is commander-in-chief of her state’s national guard.
But I don’t disagree with you about her not being exactly qualified to be VP. Her being a mayor of some small town is no surprise since Alaska does not have a large population (i mean who really would want to live there?), but it does shows her ability of being able to manage things and executive experience.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not pro-Palin and I don’t think she should be VP. I was comparing her lack of experience to Obama’s lack of experience. Now when people looking at her previous qualifications and say she is not qualified, but still support Obama this makes me wonder. How can they believe someone who is a former 10-year mayor who is also commander-in chief of the Alaska’s state defense, chairman of Alaska’s Oil and Gas commission, owns a business and gotten rid of a corrupt state governor is not fit to be in the White House, but someone whose previous occupation of being an attorney is qualified to be President?
I’m not a supporter of either McCain’s campaign or Obama’s campaign. This notion of comparing Obama to Palin just boggles my mind.
@The_skeleton_show - Palin is experienced when it comes to dealing with oil, and that’s really it. She’s not exactly free from controversy either (troopergate, etc.) McCain could have chosen someone else. There are people that are much more qualified to take over if McCain ever gets a heart attack, etc. I’m sure there is a female, conservative politician somewhere in the United States that is more qualified if he really wants the Hilary votes, and if not, there are definitely many males who could fill in the position.
yes! thanks for bringing this up too! i was waiting since the story burst forth =)
Well, those Obama supporters saying that about Palin would be just as hypocritical as the McCain supporters (and McCain himself) who accused Obama of being inexperienced. The thing is, though neither have much experience, Obama is definitely the more experienced of the two.
I’ve always liked Obama, and experience or not he does give some hope to country. But all of you who keep ranting blindly about how Palin is inexperienced and how Obama outshines her…. are mindless sheep. Forget your biased news station and take a moment and just do a few searches on both of their accomplishments and you will easily see the argument comparing their experiences (that matter) leans heavily in favor of Palin. No wonder Obama himself wont go near the subject! I’ve always been very middle of the road… but the way people blindly jump on the Dem bandwagon with such immediate disdain for anything conservative… just because it’s conservative, scares the hell out of me! McCains VP pick, along with the uneducated and immature nature of most Dem arguments… has “probably” made this undecided voter, vote McCain.
I’d say so. Freakin’ double-standard!
@droptop11 - it really does not make a difference.. but because he would not respond honestly … makes a huge difference if he is running for pres.. at least it does for me.. shows me that he lies about many things.. and loves to keep secrets… and of course politics is about corruption.. his comes out if full blast.. especially since he picked Sarah Palin.. that lady looks for all kinds of loop holes.. and her husbands money gives her an advantage.. that is very scary…
@VoicesoftheRain - Sorry for not responding sooner. I’m not positive about what Palin’s experience is when it comes to oil, but one reason for the fascination some of the independents have with her when comparing her to Obama, Biden, and McCain is even though her lack of experience she has in office, she is the only person out of the four who actually does have executive experience. And the things she has accomplished both while in office politically and out of office personally does create an impressive resume, especially if you do research and look up to see what the other 3 politicians have done.
The problem with her is she was pretty much an unknown before McCain, and (for me) it is difficult of finding a track record of everything she’s pro and opposes right now to see if she stays consistent with her views or if she is pretty much a hypocrite. But as for right now she is really amusing, and she proves once again that politics today are more of a popularity contest than a job interview trying to find the best candidate to fit the position.
@Mat - I have to agree with you about liking Obama in the beginning when he first decided to run. But now it seems like Obama’s campaign is close to having the same flaw that Ron Paul’s campaign had–a bunch of whack-out, overzealous nutjob followers who don’t follow the issues and should probably pick up a book instead of watching the damn media. My gf last night, who absolutely hates McCain, said the Obama campaign is making McCain look better and better each day. I think she might be right.