August 30, 2008
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Hurricane Gustav
Hurricane Gustav is heading toward land.
Here in Houston we have been praying that the hurricane hits New Orleans instead of Houston (We really don’t want any of the flooding).
It looks like the hurricane may be headed right toward New Orleans. So government officials are preparing to order an evacuation.
It is expected that 310,000 to 340,000 will ignore the order to evacuate. The government is sending the message that they will not open the doors of the Superdome. Three years ago the government was criticized when photos were released of people dying in the Superdome after the government set up the Superdome as a shelter when Hurricane Katrina hit but couldn’t get help there for days.
So this time, the government is locking up the Superdome and not setting up the huge shelter. Here is the link: Link
Is the government responsible for setting up shelter if people refuse to evacuate?
Comments (101)
Yes, because sometimes people aren’t refusing to evacuate, they just can’t.
Not necessarily.
Effort and resources is finite. They should be allocated in a way that the most lives can be saved and the greatest difference can be made.
Yes and No. Some people have no homes to leave..what about the homeless? and then there are some people who are just crazy and won’t leave their homes.But if they are so crazy about their homes then they should stay in there home. But were are the homeless going to go?
Bama is going to get hit with this….and we just got over Fay.
No. Not at all. People that choose to live in a coastal city that’s below sea level and constantly in the path of major storms should realize the danger and get the f**k out.
There should always be a designated shelter .
I think they should provide some bus transportation for those who do have any, but the people who refuse to evacuate, whatever happens to them should be on them not the government
On the one hand, I don’t think the government should be responsible for people who choose to stay even though they have been instructed to evacuate, but as comments above me have pointed out, there are some people who simply have nowhere to go, and no way to get there. I think that there probably should be something for those people so that they can be in a position that is less dangerous.
Before visiting the link: If it would mean saving more lives, then yes of course.
After visiting the link: It sounds like they’re doing what they can to get everyone out. Times like these I’m very grateful for snow days.
@Kristenmomof3 - This time they are providing transportation. The story says the city has chartered 700 buses to evacuate those without transportation.
No. If you refuse to evacuate, what is anyone supposed to do about it? Seriously, the things they’re worried about (houses, pictures, whatever) are material. If you care more about your material well being than your life… why is the government responsible?
Even Government can only do so much.People have to be responsible for SOMETHING!
There are designated shelters. They are in shreievport, and a few other places in north LA. There is also one in Nashville. Ok. Here is the thing. I now live in New Orleans. When I saw Gustav coming, what did I do? I put my happy butt in the drivers seat of my car and I left! It is not that difficult of a concept. Now I do realize that there are about 30,000 people who do not have the ability to evacuate themselves, but guess what? starting this morining at 8:00 CST, they set up 17 places for busses to begin evacuation. Now they have asked people to leave, they have started the assisted evacuation, the outer parishes will be ordered to manditory evac later on this evening, and then 30 hours before gustav is supposed to make landfall, then New Orleans proper will get the manditory evac. This is all part of a plan. and that is to get people out of the area as efficiently as possible. Me I left yesterday afternoon.
Oh, and by the way, the government will not start contraflow (making all lanes of the interstate go away from New Orleans) until AFTER the LSU game today. I guess that is it. Football, property, life, and generally in that order…
Responsible not a all. But it is a good thing to try and do
If you refuse to evacuate – then your blood is on your own hands —
No, in my opinion if the government orders an evacuation and you refuse then you deserve to be washed away by the storm.
NO.
How responsible is the government for the stupid? That’s always the question.
But, where will some of these people go? Are they to take buses? Should they walk? Not everyone has an SUV and a pet carrier.
I read that the population of New Orleans is roughly half of what it was before Katrina – that many people didn’t come back, or left. Hopefully with the evacuation plans in place, they will not have as massive a problem on their hands of people stranded in the city. But if these people choose to ride it out, and choose not to go, I’d say it’s not the government’s fault.
I’m wondering what kind of plan is in place for people who CAN”T leave on their own, or can’t get to a bus evacuation site. The elderly, the disabled, those in hospitals and nursing homes…does the government even know who those people are, and how can they help them?
@musicmom60 -
There is a special number that people who are disabled can call. This is not the first time this has been in place. The government is trying to do everything they can to get everyone out. but it is still on the people to act
people will die weather it’s in the superdome or not. now they will just die on the streets or in flooded houses where there are no cameras to record it.
What if the situation is not merely that they WONT, but that they cant?
What do they do then? (This is not a group of affluent people…especially after Katrina)
People should read the story before commenting. They are providing bussing out of the area.
I do not think they should offer shelter. As do I believe that if Gustav reaks as much havoc as Katrina did, then they shouldnt even bother to restore New Orleans. We just simply cannot afford that.
Well, the SuperDome was something done during and after the city gets hit, so if the epople choose not to leave then it is thier own fault really. When Rita came after Katrina, I was in houston and it was crazy but I decided to lave with a friend. We both lived in the flood zone too, so that would have sucked. I was not willing to take the chance of being stuck with nothing or dying cause I chose to stay. We left the day before, along with about 2.5 million from houston.. it too us 27 hours to get 3 hours away. The hurricane moved northeast and did not hit Houston, but I just would not take the risk… life is more important than objects (though I made sure to tell my parents not to leave my new computer on the floor in case of a flood.. lol)
Deja vu? (katrina-much?)
Hey people. me and my family live in south east texas in the beaumont area right near the gulf of mexico. we’re evacuating to Austin, texas and i think that it’s completely stupid to make a shelter. i mean, everyone i know is evacuating and the one’s that aren’t will just have to die or deal with it. >.<”"”
no, the only thing they should be responsible for is enforcing the mandatory evacuation and assisting people in evacuating.
and to be honest, I am from houston and i would rather Texas get hit than new orleans. i think they have already gone through enough.
Not really. Those people are Darwin Awards candidates. They eliminate themselves from the gene pool by their own choice.
I believe that the government should do all they can to provide propper transportation for evacuation. Beyond that, whoever choose not to evacuate have to fend for themselves. If they are unable to evacuate due to some other circumstances such as being handicap, or etc., they should make that known, and ask for assitance from the government or friends. If they want to live and be safe bad enough, they will find a way.
The goood thing about this is that they have the buses to help everyone out..
But about the ones .. that miss the bus? …
I just laughed when its really not funny.
@UR_MUSE - I love Darwin Awards! haha
And I agree with you on that.
Why would be people stay? I understand that your home and your things are more important, but isn’t your life and the life of your family more important? So no, the government shouldn’t have to set up a shelter. The only thing they should set up is a “stay at your own risk” sign.
Yes, either way, it’s the government that’s going to look bad.
No.
They told them to get the hell out. So it’s the people’s fault if they stayed. If they couldn’t get out, sucks for them. When the government does give them shelter, they complain about it. When they don’t, they complain about it. Just shut up!
No. Those stubborn ppl need to suck it up since they dont want to listen to authorities. Just as how a person having sex without protecting and contracts an std….its their own got dang fault! I know, off the wall analogy but that thats how I think and compare things.
Hold on a second, youre from HOUSTON?????????????????????????? I thought you live in Texas but not in Houston
Living on the Texas Coast all my life and going thru the Hurricane season every year I know what a pain in the ass it is to evacuate. But I have also stayed behind and just been thru a tropical storm and it was bad enough that I was never staying thru one again. Too damn scary and the flooding oh my. Anyways I say whoever stays when they set up manditory evacuations shouldn’t get a shelter. That is our tax dollars being wasted on them. They are the morons who stayed so screw em. I know I am cold hearted but if I lived in a low-lying city like NO and I am not stupid enough to stay.
@RX_8fan - That sounds like the correct thing to do, besides that whole football tidbit.
“Here in Houston we have been praying that the hurricane hits New
Orleans instead of Houston (We really don’t want any of the flooding).”
I cannot get past this statement to even read the question I am sure you are posing…..
Absolutely not. (We need more population control anyway. =P That was heartless of me, I know.)
Yup.
No, the people are idiots. Darwin says let ‘em die.
@RX_8fan - Well, that’s good to know…have they somehow catalogued those who live alone and are disabled, just in case, for whatever reason, they can’t call? No power, no phone, illness, whatever? Just wondering.
NO. If you’re too dumb to evacuate you might deserve what happens. There is no reason to IGNORE anything that calls for evacuation. It’s better to be safe than screwed, and if you stay when there’s an evacuation even SUGGESTED then whatever happens after that is your own fault. I don’t think it’s the government’s responsibility to take care of the stubborn or the senseless when the only reason they were in the condition they were in, like after Katrina, was because they didn’t listen.
nope. i think if they tell you to leave and you don’t, then that’s too bad for you.
my in laws live in Spring Tx and they aren’t going anywhere. They never do.
@musicmom60 -
Unfortunately there is no way to get EVERYONE on the list. There are other channels besides the government. I know many churches look after those who are homebound, there is home healthcare services and hospice care that will help if they can. The problem with relying on the government to do everything is that there is just way too much to do. This is where being a good citizen comes in. We have to help one another, we need to look after our neighbors. To expect the government to do everything is just foolishness. And that is just because there is no way that one entity could ever do all that is needed. Even at half population, like New Orleans is (I think there is somewhere between 230,000 and 300,000 residents in the New Orleans area) there is still a considerable population to deal with. It is at times like this that the government and different civic organizations, churches, etc. need to work TOGETHER and work for the benefit of everyone, even total strangers. I say this because most churches, dioces, and parishes have a better feel for where people truly are then the government ever could. Now the one thing I am not sure about is the evacuation of hospitals. I know that there are some emergency personel staying behind, including police and fire fighters. I am not sure about medical staff. But I am sure that there will be some hospital personel still there due to some who just cannot be moved due to illness.
Many have already evacuated. I myself left yesterday at about noon. at 6:00 tomorrow morning, they will start the contraflow and all lanes will be moving away from the city. Gustav is not supposed to hit New Orleans head on, but NO will be to the east of the eye. This means that the strength of the storm will in fact be directed toward NO due to the counter-clockwise rotation of hurricanes. Those who can, just really need to get out of the way. NWS is saying Gustav will be a categor 4 before making landfall, shrinking down to a category 3 just before landfall. People really need to take that warning and advice seriously.
No, it is not the governments job to make up for people’s lack of common sense.
–SAMMANTHA.
i think the government is responsible for doing everything it can, within reason, to help its citizens.
Yes. Some folks can’t afford to evacuate.
no. the government is responsible for making sure that everyone DOES evacuate.
New Orleans is perfect for a hurricane. It is bowl shaped, under sea level which makes it perfect for holding water.
Shelters should be set up for people who are unable to evacuate. People who refuse to evacuate should be allowed to stay and whatever happens to them happens. I live near you I’m guessing; we’re a mile from Clear Lake and 2 miles from Galveston Bay. We’ve got the plywood out and ready to hang and can be gone within an hour should we need to go. We will make that decision later tonight or first thing in the morning. Anybody who choses to ride out a cat 3 or 4 storm, well…. is making a conscious decision to risk death because of the hurricane.
nope, the people should be greatful that the govt is putting out the effort to help them and notify them of danger.
if they refuse to leave, then that’s their problem. they deserve it, as harsh as it may sound
The government is not responsible. End of story. I wont even elaborate. I hope it hits New Orleans too. Not trying to be *that* rude or anything but I live in freakin’ Galveston county.
Standing on train tracks is also a stupid idea – move or die.
The government should not be responsible for protecting stupid people. It’s called natural selection for a reason, right? That being said, those that aren’t able to leave should receive government, or preferably NGO help, and transportation out of the city should be provided. I can’t believe people are refusing to leave again. Who are they going to rely on? When was the last time a person has said “Wow, FEMA is doing a damn good job!”
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So if they clearly say evacuate and people do not evacuate and then they suffer and die do you know what that is called?
Natural selection.
@tortallcit - The government is racist. They won’t stop a hurricane.
If you’re dumb enough to stay again after what happened in Katrina, then maybe you deserve to be stranded on your own. Hopefully the government gets its act together and gets enough buses to get people out of there and fast.
They have been given plenty of notice to leave, so I think the government is not responsible for setting up such a large facility. However, for the people who are handicapped, it would be better if they didn’t have to travel very far, so maybe a couple shelters for the mentally, emotionally, or physically disabled, or just for the people who honestly cannot get out, who have no transportation, or something to that effect. It’s the government’s job to protect the citizens, but not if the citizens don’t want to act on the emergency evacuation orders the government is giving them.
I wrote about this is my blog hell to fuck no they aren’t. I’m tired of them bitchin sayin the goverment isn’t helping them when they have busses and trains for them. I’ll tell you right now that I’ve been through MANY hurricanes here in Florida and no where here do we have free transportation to get out. They can go ahead and stay in their house to try and “save” they crap.
@benjimau5 - wait what? What does racism have to do with anything?
Praying for it to hit a bunch of other people and ruin their lives so you don’t get flood damage? Aren’t you supposed to be some moralist? That comes off as extremely selfish and disgusting to me. Seriously.
If the people choose to stay after mandatory evacuations, then they are responsible, not the government.
But you PRAYING for that…because somehow you’re worth more in God’s eyes than a poor person in New Orleans? I’m extremely ashamed that I ever subscribed to this f****** blog…
If Gustav hits New Orleans, Hanna might hit Houston. Just you think about that.
Bye.
I’m in Hattiesburg, MS, which got worse wind damage than New Orleans during Katrina due to the tornado spinoffs. We’ve been steady praying it goes your way, which is horribly selfish, I know, but I think we’ve suffered enough. Heck, Hattiesburg is 90 miles away from the coast, and we still got horrible damage.
Your question: No, the government isn’t responsible for stupid people deciding not to evacuate. They should help everyone they can that wants to get out, but can’t, but those who refuse to leave, honestly deserve what’s coming to them.
For the ignorant guy who said football was a top priority….if you’re evacuating, do YOU want an extra 100,000 people on the road? Didn’t think so.
As for the author of his blog, I have never heard anything more selfish in my life. You’re PRAYING for Gustav to hit NO so you’re precious apartment/house/whatever doesn’t get flood damaged? Oh, boo freakin hoo. Your carpet would get ruined. I guess that’s WAYYY more important that the survival of a city’s infrastructure. The old adage stays true….the most devout and religious are the most hypocritical.
Nope, not one bit.
I do not feel one bit sorry for the stupid people that went back there in the first place. They expect the tax-payers and government to pay to rebuild the place for them, and then three years later to the day, they are asking for help from us on getting them out of the place they wanted back into.
I think every single person that went back there was stupid in doing so, they seriously have something wrong with them.
I bet they are just saying that they are locking it to get at many people to leave as possible, but the few who decide to stay anyhow – for whatever nonsensical reason – they will not let be killed by their own stupidity/lack of ability to leave.
No. If there’s a fucking hurricane coming, you better get the hell out. Mother nature isn’t going to stop for you. Your government is telling you to leave, they shouldn’t be expected to say “leave or we’ll build you a shelter! That’ll show you to listen to common sense!”
If they completely refuse to, then no, it’s not up to them… to an extent. They DO have to attempt to persuade them (more than just “hey… there’s a hurricane coming soooooo you might wanna watch out for that”) but if they do NOT evacuate it’s not up to them to leave something “just in case” for them.
No. If they have ignored the information and mandate to evac, no way.
Yes, because everyone knows there always a few of those type of people who refused to leave. The government should plan for this or it will be messy.
No.
Yes.
But then again, I bet the goverment is responsible for the hurricane as well.
Ever hard of HAARP?
I think we need to get over the idea that the govt is responsible for protecting people from themselves. Whether it be sheer stupidity, or just poor choices, people are ultimately responsible for their own actions. The govt (meaning the rest of us taxpayers) are NOT responsibly for paying the cost of those choices.
I live here in Louisiana, Shreveport, and I was here for Katrina too. I see and work with the people of this state and yes they believe that they are owed everything. They believe that they have been done wrong from 100′s of years ago and the debt is still not settled. Yes they believe that we still “owe” them. Did you see the photos of the dozens upon dozens of school buses that were underwater that did NOT get used to evacuate people. Well! Sheeesh. Now they voted the same officials back into office….. so go figure!
I FIRMLY believe that the superdome should not be opened as a shelter,.. if people refuse to evacuate NOLA as they were warned to with plenty of time to do so then it is there own fault if they get themselves into a life threatening situation. There was charter buses set up to take people out of NOLA starting on saturday morning i believe,.. so homeless or poor have no excuse for staying.
and as far as comments regarding restoring new orleans if it is hit hard again,… just because something is destroyed doesnt mean we simply give up on it,.. thats not how things have been done throughout history and thats not how it should be done now. i personally have many memories there and it is a huge part of this state as a huge port city and for entertainment purposes
No
My mom is in New Orleans right now. She refuses to evacuate because she lives in the French Quarter and rode out Katrina last time. She’s not concerned about the storm as much as the looters that she knows will come. Do I agree with her plan? Of course not. Should I have driven over from Houston yesterday and forced her into my car.. probably. However, she is not home alone and she has generators and supplies to last her for some time.
The police have been going door to freaking door today in Louisiana (not just New Orleans, but the North Shore small towns as well) telling people that they need to leave and do they need help getting to shelters. The police have been to my mother’s house twice this morning.
I say they need to be FORCED out of there.
Easy for my to say, though … from way over here.
Good grief. Get the facts, then comment.
The state government of Louisiana & the local government of New Orleans have made a concentrated effort to provide transportation (charter buses, free train rides) to those who have no transportation of their own (the homeless, those without a car, etc). For those handicapped, police are going door to door in poorer neighboorhoods to ensure that they have a way to leave. Those incapacitated can also phone a hotline for assistance. Medically infirm are being airlifted from area hospitals and being taken to hospitals in Northern Texas. Animals in shelters are being moved up north as well. After the Katrina debacle – I don’t think they are leaving anything to chance.
Having said that, it is NOT the responsibility of the government to try and rescue those stupid or brazen enough to stay behind. Get out now, has and will continue to be the message. Any person willing to stay behind in a city that is below sea level, right next to a huge lake, with a big ass hurricane bearing down, is fully aware of the possible consequences and should not be looking for a rooftop rescue – because it’s not going to come. It’s time for the people of New Orleans (yes, even the poor folk!) to take some personal responsibility.
No. I live in FL. People that WANT to leave can find ways out. Churches also set up shelters for those who don’t. I’ve lived with hurricanes all my life and grew up in a wood-framed house. I know what they are capable of and I’ve seen a lot of destruction firsthand. In ’04 while some of us were without power and work for a while, we passed the time by helping those less fortunate. Local churches did more than the govt. could. The Govt. did it’s job well in the form of Natl. guard directing traffic and such. Certainly the aid in the form of setting up shelters is not resented but it should not be seen as the govt’s obligation to help in that way.
@Calinda - Louisiana is not tha only place. From my experience, most places seem to have a great deal of aid from churches and private companies and even big buisinesses help where they can. when faced with common disaster, a sense of community tends to take over and most try to help each other out.
@fullmetalbunny - In Louisiana, there is an emergency program. If you are unable to evacuate, the government will provide transportation for you. Thousands of people signed up and they are evacuated by bus, tram, and airplane. This time, there are no excuses for people not to evacuate.
@iammarlo - Yeah, it’s different when the govt tries to tell you that you have to abandon all of YOUR stuff and uproot your entire livelihood for a storm that may or may not do you harm. If it’s not cat. 3 or higher I’m not going anywhere. If it is a 3-4, I’ll go to a sturdier building. I only leave the state for a cat. 5. …but then I just got the worst of Fay and weathered the ’04 hurricanes so it’s easy for me to say THAT.
@seedsower - There are designated shelters called “Safe spots”. People are provided transportation there.
@Chesschick01 - Sigh, like I said to someone else, the local government provide transportion to “Safe spots”. Unlike Katrina, they will be making use of the buses.
@MellaMom - You are not the only one angered by the guy’s spiteful bad wishes.
@Free_Photos - For goodness sake! The local government is not setting up shelthers, because they do not want anyone to stay. It’s to get that message clearly out to everyone. Transportation is provided to other cities. Thousands of people have been transported through buses and airplanes by the local governement.
@IrishCream41 - His ill wishes does not gain any respects. I am a believer in karma. So, no need to worry.
@MarieMoyers - Not eveyone voted for Nagin.
It’s not the government’s fault. They have let the citizens know early enough. A hurricane already hit there once before. It’s their own fault if they refuse to leave. I can’t emphasize enough how stupid these people are. If you don’t evacuate for round two, you are fucking stupid. You have enough time to evacuate. You can get the help you need and you don’t have to leave your animals this time to drown and die. No one should have returned back to their homes. Obviously if one hurricane hit, another one will. Like now. I can’t even get out the words of what I am feeling because these people are so stupid.
One reason why they won’t leave is that some people get huge settlement checks from the government. They fix their houses and then move back in and the government pays for it. They don’t have to work.
It’s incomprehensible how stupid these people are.
Yea, well we have been praying that the hurricane hits Houston. At least you guys aren’t below sea level and can better handle a storm surge.
I know I’ve evacuated, and I think ayone who doesn’t deserves to be stuck. They have set up seventeen pick up spots for people who don’t have their own method of transportation. If you can’t get to one, there are two numbers for people to call to arrange pickup.
I really don’t want to lose my homes. Thanks for being so considerate and praying that we get hit again. I’ve never really had a problem with you before, but I’ve lost a lot of respect for you with this post. I can understand self-preservation and all, but how are you going to pray for an area struggling to recover to get hit again?
@mrcolorful - Absolutely. We’re in SE Alabama and I’m due tomorrow, but if you told me to evacuate, I would pack up what I could and head North in a second. The inconvenience is one thing. Being stuck down here with flooded roads, no power, and newborn baby is just not worth it.
@thisboyissexy - I am glad to know that,thanks.
@thisboyissexy - Well that’s nice to hear…lets see if they do
Well, I think they shouldn’t provide it. It’s bad enough for you to endanger your own life, but to endanger the lives of police and fire and rescue people to because you’re stubborn…or stupid? How selfish… Howevere, there’s talk about “what if people can’t leave?” i for one think that IS the government’s responsiblity to help the people who truly can’t leave. It is not right of the government to turn their back on the people who can’t leave. That’s not fair. But as far as staying just to protect your home or something. In 155+ mph winds, you’re not going to be able to do much… I’m a Meteorology major presently in college, and in some ways, I sort of hope this hits with a whallop and doesn’t change course. I know that’s a terrible thought and I feel bad saying this but, look at it this way….. You know whats going to happen the next time if this misses or turns out not to be a big deal? People won’t believe it next time.. and they’ll get into this pattern of thinking, “oh it’ll miss us” or, “oh we don’t need to evacuate it won’t be that bad” and…katrina and hugo and andrew and camille will happen again and again and again… History tends to repeat itself… =/ And as far as rebuilding, go for it! haha. Personally, you’re screwed where ever you live so you might as well. Hurricanes in the gulf through flordia up through the carolina, new york, new jersey (might i reference the 1938 unnamed hurricane if anyone doesn’t believe that..made landfall near Connecticut/Rhode Island/Long Island and utterly destroyed parts of Long island… and you can see we rebuilt there!), noreasters from maryland and north, Sandstorms in the southwest, flooding in the north west, southwest, and midwest, tornadoes in the plains and into central canada, forest fires from nevada and california all the way up through big sky country and the pacific north west, earthquakes in california/missouri/kentucky/tennessee/new york/new jersey/pennsylvania (to my fellow tri-state area-ers, unfortunately, we’re overdue) area, blizzards well, anywhere north of the mason dixon line pretty much, and lots of other things mixed in too. just a thought… if you’re going to say that, “why should we rebuild when it’l just be destoryed again” there aren’t many places in the USA that haven’t been through hell and don’t have the chance of it happening… so, unless you want us all to be nomads.. or… something… i’d say rebuild. For them to move in, in the first place, they knew the odds, but they probably are there for bigger reasons… Why do people live in Florida.. at all? 100% chance of devastating hurricanes hitting in the future, but, obviously, there’s more that’s keeping them there. And if they like it, more power to them.
At first when I read this, I thought NO. The gov’t shouldn’t have to create shelters because the people refuse to evacuate, it’s their choice. But, then I figured… it should be the gov’t's responsibility to do all they can to create the safest environment they possibly can to protect their citizens.
wtc? Why are you praying that the hurricane hit New Orleans?
Duh. Of course not everyone’s going to evacuate.
I can’t get out of my neighborhood because they’re stopping traffic for the buses to park across the street.
There should be a shelter, but like the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.
nope. =)