September 30, 2008
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Ladies’ Night
A woman judge has thrown out a case brought by a man who claimed ladies’ nights at nightclubs discriminated against men.
(The above photo is not meant to endorse drinking or ladies’ night).
Women are allowed to have drinks for free or even allowed discounted admission and drinks. Here is the link: Link
Is it discrimination to make men pay for drinks and allow women to drink free?
Comments (122)
No
Nope, I get free drinks and pay a lower admission. =D
He shouldn’t be complaining, that just endorses having more women come, get drunk, so he can later…ugh….yeah…
First.
I don’t think so, however, one way to solve that is to a men’s night, which sounds totally weird, but it would certainly stop the discrimination.
Eh.
@o_Dirty_Blonde_o - Haha! Yep. He’s going to have to go to a night club owned by a straigh women who’s hungry for men. Heh.
it’s a marketing gimmick. bet the guy would be just as pissed if every night was a sword-fight at the bar.
@awokenfatality - There you go! I think we’re onto something here, haha! =]
By definition of the term, it is discrimination.
As a buisness practice it makes sense, and it is practice in many many bars all across the nation. Little tangible harm comes from “Ladies night out.”
There is tradition and sound reason behind student and senior discounts. While the motivation for chick discounts is a bit less magnanimous, it’s probably important for the presistance of the bar.
However it was resolved, I think the legal outcome was correct.
It’s just a business ploy to increase sales. Is he going to sue when Penney’s puts ladies’ lingerie on sale and not men’s boxer shorts?
@saintvi - In your example, there isn’t a different price for the ladies’ lingerie for men as there is for women.
Something analogous to the bar case would be if the ladies lingerie was discounted to men but not women to compensate for the less demand in men.
Such a story would be funny, and probably make Fox News.
They don’t need to add Men’s night. The men are already there.
P.S. This guy seems to have some unresolved anger issues with women. He might find more satisfaction in therapy than in a string of frivolous lawsuits.
From what I’ve seen, men love ladies night! If they have chick friends they get them to buy cheap booze, and it’s always a guarantee for there to be lots of women at the bars. Plus, since the drinks are so cheap, girls (in my experience) tend to get drunk a lot faster. What more could a guy ask for?
Dan, you should be ashamed for endorsing hot felt tank tops.
Men get Happy Hour every day, yet bitch about a one Ladies Night? They must be gay.
(That’s a joke by the way…)
What’s he bitchin’ about? It actually saves him the expense of buying the drinks for the ladies to get them drunk so they’ll sit and listen to his pathetic schpeel.
Unless, maybe he’s gay?
Btw, Nice Pic!
yes of course it is. but SOME forms of discrimination are not anything to get worked up about. Is it immoral? No. Does it cause anyone harm? No. Should it be illegal? I don’t think so. Seriously who cares?
For how much longer must we continue destroying culture in the name of fairness and equality?
It happens all the time anyway only the men dont have to pay for the ladies drinks this way. They should be happy.
@SladeTheGreyFox - Men get Happy Hour every day, yet bitch about a one Ladies Night? They must be gay.
(That’s a joke by the way…)
It’s okay. I haven’t had my morning coffee yet, either.
@ArphaxadHunter - For how much longer must we continue destroying culture in the name of fairness and equality?
You sound like a Confederate.
its actually advertising,,, and cheep advertising at that,,, if no ladies show,,, the ad need not be paid for,,, men,,, are stupid enough to come see the drunk women,,, hahahahahahaha
i prefer my women sober,,, ive had a bar,,, i never charged women,,, well,, i wouldnt sell women anything as a general rule,,,
unless she was already with a date,,, or her husband,,, loose women,,, nope,,, i would sell them a glass of lemonade if someone wanted to buy it for her,,, at,,, hahahahahaha,,, a pretty hefty price,,, i then paid her a dollar for every drink of lemonade she could talk him out of,,,
but,,, just like aig and mcwhoever that was, and fannie may,,, my little,,, actually it was kinda big,,,, cantina went under,,, and no one was there to bail me out,,,,, hahahahahahaha
hey,,, aint those two the same one you had on yesterday with the ebay deal?
maybe ive been in mexico too long,,, they all kinda look alike to me,,,,
never any real hot ones,,, like around here.
@ArphaxadHunter - ??? i dont get the connection.
After Friday night, free drinks apparently leads to chick fights and who doesn’t love watching those?
@laurelitavera - No. I like money more.
@huginn - I was being ironic.
@Krissy_Cole - Amen, sister!
Now point me to the nearest Ladies night! I’m all for free drinks.
(This message endorses Ladies Night and drinking in general.)
@ArphaxadHunter - Sorry, you sounded Christian.
Disgustingly, isn’t the whole idea to get women in there, get them drunk, so men can take them home and ???? I think the men have the advantage. If you can call it that.
@huginn - That’s a tad stereotyping, isn’t it?
@ArphaxadHunter - The rheotric fits.
Is the picture meant to endorse big boobs though?
No, it is not discrimination.
Omg. This guy is for real?
It’s their own establishment. If they want to have a “ladies” night, to attract women to the bar, that’s their business… what are they? children?
That’s not fair! Me too! Me too! Waaaah. I’m going to go tell big daddy government and get my way…
spare me
By the way, is this guy mad about College Night? Tons of bars do that and no one seems to have a problem with it…
@huginn - True. But to the defense of Christians, how would you feel if you lived in a society where your culture was rapidly becoming politically incorrect? The natural human response is to cling to pride, I think. Not saying fundamentalists are justified in being so stubbornly against good change… It’s just that not everyone can be the good guy all the time.
it sort of is.
as far as I know ladies’ night is supposed to get more women into the bars and thus getting more men, who will spend more money on women and impressing women. that is why most clubs have a lower standard toward the females they let in whereas men have to be dressed more according to the club’s rules.
but since all of this is intended to get the men spend the money, so they can try to hit on women, it is sort of the men’s fault.
but it is discriminating.
If it’s the only bar in town, and he’s a gay man – yes. Or if he’s just a guy looking to have a couple drinks before he heads home to face the wife. For the men looking to find available women, the situation works out OK.
hell NO.
but then again, i AM a woman…
Leave ladies’ night alone
Interesting article. BUT…HERE’S THE BIG BUT! Men are the ones who CHOSE to buy drinks for the ladies. That was no obligation to chat with you for so and so time and get her number.
I guess the real discrimination is of course, clubs offering lower or free admission to ladies
If you take a date or a spouse out to a place that has ladies night then you get the benefit too. You do pay for your dates drinks, right? .
I’m willing to bet that the men don’t mind a bit – at least the straight ones. More gals come in for free drinks, and I think that’s half of what guys go out to bars for anyways, isn’t it? The guys don’t have to buy (or pay as much for) drinks for the women that night, but still get to see/socialize with them. I guess it’s a win/win?
Bleh
nutty man! isn’t it sucha great day to club on ladies night when the club is filled with hotties from washroom to the probably club kitchen? hahaa
If that photo does not endorse drinking or ladies night, does it instead endorse low cut tops and large knockers?
Technically yes, it is discrimination but I believe that any business owner has the right to do just about anything they want to with their business.
That picture doesn’t endorse drinking or ladies night but is it meant to endorse boobs?
I’m pretty sure most guys don’t mind.
Hardly worth being concerned about. A person has to choose his/her battles, I suppose.
Nope, it’s a marketing gimmick.
and it works.
Quit being whiny cause you have to pay!
I don’t think so considering the guys always out way the girls in clubs nearby except for on Ladies Night. So they get more enjoyment out of it anyway.
it’s just their business model. women–> attract men to pay admissions and drinks. Not so sure about the vice versa…
clubs are definitely sexist
but i like it that way
It probably is discrimination, but they’re just trying to get chicks to go into that bar.
Alcoholic women tend to drink at home.
It is loosely related on the circle of life.
I agree with Ducati…. its loosely related to the way of life.
But really. In the grand scheme of things, I’ll take a hit in my wallet to see some ladies out there. But I wonder… is ladies night an excuse for women to come out on one particular night of the week, or if say… every night it was ladies night there would be a larger population of women seeknig night clubs and bars?
Maybe… but it’s tradition, so why change? That’s like saying that a store can’t have a sale on guys stuff only, because it’s not fair to the women. Whatever gender you are, there are always upsides and downsides. People need to get over it.
The cynic in me wonders why this guy has a problem with a room full of drunk women. That’s pretty much the organizational basis for college fraternities…
no not at all………..it’s been researched over and over that men make more than women so why not pay for our drinks since you have more money!
The man who filed the lawsuit has a small penis.
Yes. Not all men go to a bar looking to pick up women. For instance, a group of married dudes just left a late-night meeting at work. They’re not going to the bar to pick up drunk chicks; just have a drink.
No. To others, it’s fair. Girls often let guys buy them drinks. Therefore, allowing girls to drink for a reduced price or for free actually saves the guys money because they don’t have to spend so much on the girls.
Meh! Overall, it’s just another incentive to get people to go to the bar. I wish my favorite restaraunts would follow suit and offer free soda on “ladies night”
@Krissy_Cole - True, haha.
i dont think it is
Of course it’s discrimination, but only in the sense where discrimination means aw350m3!!!111!!
Don’t guys usually BUY drinks for women? So ummm… they have an oppurtunity to hit on the ladies and not have to pay for the drinks… why was he complaining?
Discrimination? Yes.
Unacceptable? No.
Yes, it is. But you know what? So is assuming some guy is going to pay for dinner or for the movie or for drinks! I don’t see anyone questioning that…
(P.S. I’m a female that takes my man on dates and pays for them.)
Also, I like ladies night … because its cheap for me. =]
no. it’s called bars are trying to bring in business. bring in girls, then you bring in the guys. also, you forgot to add that it doesn’t endorse large, fake breasts.
Yes, but the key here is that it’s not instigated, supported, or perpetuated by state action. Individuals and private businesses have no requirement whatsoever (constitutionally speaking) to be non-discriminatory; individuals must have equal protection under the law.
I don’t think it is- it is just a way to bring in more business
@and_everything_fades_to_black - I’d bet the girl on the left has natural breasts. She has some arm/stomach fat, too, and it’s entirely possible to push up natural breasts in that manner.
@point_of_no_R3turn - Slavery was once tradition, too. But your other point is good.
@XXKimPossibleXX - Logical fallacy!
@Huan85 - I can’t answer your question for everyone else, but pretty much nothing short of Rachmaninoff and water-only drinks are going to get me into a nightclub – prices aside. And for most women I know who do/would go to nightclubs, price only slightly influences their frequency of attending, not whether they attend at all.
It evens out since women don’t get equal pay for equal work.
The purpose of ladies night is this:
Ladies drink for free. A drunk girl is easyer to take advantage of then a sober one. Ladies nights are for men, not women. The clubs/bars actually MAKE money because so many more men show up. It isn’t discrimination.
nope.
gay
It’s not discrimination. It’s advertisement. When it’s ladies night, the men are going to come running, because that means women are going to be there. And if their drinks are cheaper, they gals are going to be easier.
As bad as that sounds, it’s true.
No.
Does it endorse cleavage? I see a lot of cleavage…
Personally, I don’t see why men would complain about this; they win all around. This way they don’t have to shell out the cash, yet still get drunk, judgement-impaired girls to take home.
Men go out for drinks all the time, the concept is that by inviting women to drink, they draw more men; and the business makes more money. Boobs and beer – Its good business.
Rawr.
Probably, but it makes business sense–the more theoretically attractive women that come to the bar, the more paying men that come to the bar.
Depends…one night, I’d say no. All the time, sure, why not…
Places do it because the more women the get in there drinking the more men will want to come in and drink. I don’t know if the opposite would work. Would a bunch of women want to go into a club and drink because they saw a bunch of men in the club drinking? If you had a Men’s Night type thing then men would go there to get in cheap and get cheap drinks and women would continue to go to the ladies’ night to get cheap cover and drinks. it just wouldn’t work out. men would be in one club and women would be in another. Most women looking for a man would rather the man pay for the drinks anyway so either way the guy has to shell out the cash.
People would FREAK OUT if there was a “men’s night”. Can you imagine the feminists that would come down on that? It would be as if all hell broke loose.
Women get away with a lot than men, simply because they’re women. We can make stupid men jokes all the time (Family Guy is the best TV show to illustrate this). If a man makes a stupid woman joke, oooooooooooooooooooooooooh. BAD PLAN.
Goodness gracious.
No. It’s one of the perks of being a girl.
nahh…
Only if they didn’t have a gentlemen’s night as well.
All businesses should give everything away for free, to anyone, at anytime.
It’s a privately-owned business, the owner/manager/whatever should be able to make whatever decision he wants to about how to sell his product. If he wants to give it away to females for a discounted price one night a week, there should be no one who can interfere with his decision. Certainly not the government.
in blackwhite, yes BUT its a marketing ploy to get more women to come into the bar. if women know the drinks are cheap/free, they’ll consider coming in to drink, which can attract new female customers. also, men will come on those nights because they know more women will be there, will can also attract new customers.
Just have a men’s night to make it equal.
of course it is but do the men care? no. is it that big of a deal? nope. i don’t think men have ojections to ladies night.
Nah, places have kids nights, senior nights, all kinds of things, so bars can have ladies nights.
no. i love ladies night! =P
Ladies Night = More ladies. What man will complain about that? (Unless they aren’t into ladies… in which case, do gay bars have events like this?) That is not meant to be an ignorant question, just a genuine curiosity.
thats silly. its the bars decision what kind of promotions they partake in. its just a way to get more females there. perhaps they should allot a time for men to get reduced drinks, or even free
i’ve been to clubs and the ratio is typically the same: more men than women. ladies’ night is a promotion to even out that ratio and keep the scene from becoming a sausagefest. why would you want to pay for overpriced drinks if you’re just there with a bunch of other dudes? might as well invite your buddies over and grab some drinks from your local grocery store. whoever brought that case up obviously missed the point of ladies’ night. besides, a lot of girls i know don’t pay for their own drinks anyway. it just makes it cheaper for the guys who are trying to buy it for them.
fellas, write this down: “THE MORE THEY DRINK, THE BETTER WE LOOK.”
i fucking hate clubs.
@death_by_chocolat - how many times have women been passed over for a promotion because of their gender? i came from an asian household and i can attest that women from those cultures are treated with even less respect. women get away with a lot, and i’m sure i wouldn’t have as many traffic tickets if i was a woman but the way i see it, it’s just how the universe balances it all out. sorta.
FREE SHOWS.
They were talking about this on my favorite radio show one day. A bar that lets women drink for free will have more women and therefore men can go and meet lots of women. What guy has issue with this is asexual.:)
LOL…. that guy is just a cheapskate and probably a loser. The idea is to get more ladies in, and if he doesnt like this idea, he needs to go to the appropriate “guys in free tonight” bar/club…
um no. This sounds like someone tryin to fight senior citizen discounts.
@la_faerie_joyeuse - Thanks… haha, I was waiting for someone to point out a “less than savory” tradition, to try and disprove me. You make a good point as well.
This is discriminatory pricing to boost their business. If men have so much unhappiness about this, they can jolly well not enter the club on Ladies’ Night. After all, we all know with more hot chicks heading there, there will be a helpless throng of men right behind. Ladies’ Night only falls on one day of the week (at least for here), so they have the other 6 days to take their pick from!
ladies night was invented because ladies get more men to come in. without the ladies there would be no party.
Ladied night should be every night, just like everyday is ladies day. Doesnt have to include alcohol.
haha
no way… besides, ladies should be drinking for free anyway. If it’s not because the drinks are free, then at least because the guy is buying. haha
what happens at gay bars?
@awish4you - hahaha. ladied. sounds like a verb.
This is nothing new – been going on for years – just a way to get more “ladies” to the bar.
As a consistent supporter of Feminist organizations, and as a staunch ally for LGBT and other minority rights… I’m going to be the only one to say this is one of the most backwards and double standarded string of comments I’ve ever read.
What would you rather have? Would you prefer to keep your ladies’ nights or how about earning $1 on the $1 compared to men’s salleries (Women currently make $0.70 on the $1 for identical working positions)? Sheesh…
That’s the price you pay for gaining the opportunity to possibly wake up the next morning thinking ‘who the hell did I just sleep with?’
If there were one guy’s night for every ladie’s night at every bar using those tactics, it would not be discrimination, but many of the bars would also lose a ton of business in sales since men are physcially larger on average and consume higher quantities of alcohol to gain a similar affect. Additionally, there is the cultural compnent in which it’s somehow considered propper mating behavior if you pay for a woman to blitz her own better judegement prior to courting her doggy style in a dirty bathroom with no handsoap.
Likewise, where exactly are the ‘Bears and Butches nights’ and the ‘Bitches and Femmes nights’ for gays and lesbians? Not to mention that practicing this sort of promotion puts in-between gendered people even more at odds in our society. ‘Trans-gendered’ nights are now appropriate as well, but how would you even go about proving that in a socially acceptable manner? What about ‘Kitties and Foxes’ nights for the furry community?
Our gender roles may be fun or gratifying or even just plain ‘easier’ in our privately run lives, but they disintegrate rapidly in the business world once we try to justify them. Just because it happens doesn’t mean it’s right, just like it’s not right that we give women crap pay for identical labor. And I can tell you, if anyone thinks we can balance the pay gap with practices like these, that person would be propagating this whole culture of inequality. It’s got to come undone the other way around or it won’t happen at all.
There was a time in Texas when I was working in a club that we couldn’t have a Ladies Night without offering the same for men. We opted for discounted drinks for everyone. Premise is get the women drunk, men will score.
Technically, it is discrimination. But! It is the institution’s right to do so. Having ladies night not only brings lots of lovely women, but lots of men also than usual since there are so many ladies in attendance. Wherever the women are, the men will follow.
well, i could say *some* or most of the men wouldn’t be offended at all and would probably see it as a helpful tool or party vice in possibly getting some maybe-baby nookie from a woman. of course, only if said woman downs enough of those free drinkies to blur whatever not so pleasant, attractive flaw/s or faults *some* or most men can have. kind of like, women seeing said men as better-looking the more they knock em’ back. *ahem!*
but that’s just speculation, right? *lmao!*
Ladies night isn’t sexist, it’s just effective marketing.
And ultimately, don’t men wind up paying for everything in the end anyway? (Now that’s sexist).
as in, discrimination is offensive! that’s why i said they probably wouldn’t be offended since that would save them the trouble of having to pay for the drinks when the ladies are already getting them and all the men would have to do is bide their time and strategize their move.
No….it just means that their will be more loose girls for them to choose from….:)
The only thing I object to. is that most of the comments seem to be saying that guys only want to get women drunk so that they can sleep with them.
Am I the only guy on here that does not drink and likes to date people when they are sober?
i miss men buying me drinks, but i suppose that’s what i get for living in LA. le sigh.
I don’t think so. Maybe I’m biased because I’m a woman but I think men have enough advantages in the world without throwing us women a little bone, even if it’s just discounted drinks. Hey, there are gender-neutral discounts on certain drinks on most nights at bars.
Dan, I love your side notes about non-endorsement. And to answer your question, NO because I’m a woman and it benefits me. Plus, drinking-wise/bodysize-wise, most men drink more than women so they’d be losing profit whereas women get buzzed easier.
Technically it is discrimination, yes.
@Alex_Horschack - As a trans individual, I sincerely appreciate your comment, and am thankful for your support.
Hahaha, he must have missed the fact that ladies night ( I think) was to get more “ladies” in the bar so there would be a better ratio of “ladies” to man meat, um, men. oops.