November 16, 2008
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Obama and Guns
It is being reported that gun sales have gone up since Barack Obama was elected president. Here is the link: Link
There has been some talk in my part of Texas that Obama will pass more gun control measures.
Are you concerned that Obama will pass gun control measures?
Comments (123)
As long as it keeps the drive-bys down, I don’t mind gun control…
I live in California. I don’t think gun control laws can possibly get any stiffer here.
thats why my cache was filled with semi-automatic weapons long ago
viva la zombie time!
Not as long as I already have mine……. Muahahahaaaaaaa……
Yes, he’s from IL we have some of the most restrictive gun control laws.
@mileyfan08 - Actually, gun crime goes up when guns are made illegal. The criminals will get them anyway.
I think our country could use a little more stringent gun control laws. But these people who think Obama – or any President – will be able to overturn the Second Amendment are just as delusional as the ones who were convinced McCain would overturn Roe vs. Wade.
@mileyfan08 - It doesn’t. Would you be more, or less likely to perform a drive-by shooting if there was a chance that fire would be returned?
No..I hope he does!!
Too many crazies with guns already…
@Tom@revelife - Actually, gun crime goes up when guns are made illegal. The criminals will get them anyway.
Nice claim. Where’s your warrent?
Yes. Not just him, but him plus an unchecked Democratic controlled congress. Taxes on guns and ammo could go way up too.
I’m concerned about a lot of the things he plans to do.
You should also mention that in interviews with our Fox network they’re not seeing a spike and that sales are only slightly higher than normal. But I do think some people are afraid of more measures but I’m not afraid since Obama said himself he’s not going to besides there are bigger things to worry about. This is just a ploy to divide our country further.
Correlating drive me nuts.
Yeah, the mantra here is: “get ‘em while you can.”
@Tom@revelife - @anaraug - Hey, I just said as long as it does. It was more a hope than a statement of fact. Probably a better way to word it would be the way I thought I said it, which would be if. Don’t know why I typed it the other way…
I only worry that if the gun control is made more strict, will people just go against it because they can? The whole, rules are ment to be broken type of thing.
Yup, and I am purchasing a nice revolver to round out my collection……..
I mean, he will. So I think my concern is valid. Haha
I have a CCL and I’m not about to give my personal protection up.
I’ll go to jail before I give up my personal security. Nobody is taking my 2nd amendment rights away from me.
Yes. We have the right to bear arms, this is just taking away from it.
There shall be no law abridging free militia and the practice there of.
The town with the lowest crime rate of any in the US is in Texas. Ironically it has the most guns per capita than any other city/town in our country.
We should work on the root of the problem in teaching kids social and ethical conscience thinking or gun laws will never have any effect. Gun laws don’t save people, people save people.
@YourOuterCritic - ditto.
Nope… I hate guns anyway.
i’m not…personally.
but i know my stepdaddy is…
I don’t mind if he passes stricter gun control laws for things like assault rifles and semi-automatics (for personal use.) I only object if he restricts guns like regular hunting rifles and handguns.
@awokenfatality - Yes. We have the right to bear arms, this is just taking away from it.
Dan’s topic: “Are you concerned that Obama will pass gun control measures?”
(gun control measures) ≠ (taking away guns)
@UR_MUSE - Smart people who value their freedom are buying arms now while they still have the protection to do so under the legacy of 200+ years of enlightened democratic leadership. This door of opportunity will slam shut at at some point. Tyrants and horror are likely to follow.
You do Chicken Little proud.
The reports on this scare me. A lot. Anyone remember ’92?
Over the time in which Obama has been a Senator he has either voiced his support for or voted to enact laws to:
1. Ban all handguns
2. Ban the sale or transfer of all semi-automatic firearms
3. Ban the right to carry in every state, nationwide
4. Ban firearms in the home, even for self protection
5. He voted against a “self defense exception” which absolves people of violating gun bans when their reason for violating those bans is to defend against a criminal attack in the home
6. In 1996 Obama’s Illinois state senate campaign indicated his support for a blanket ban on the manufacturing and sale of all handguns in Illinois
7. In 2000 Obama sponsered a “one gun a month” law in Illinois
Obama may claim, “I will protect the rights of hunters and other law abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns for purposes of hunting and target shooting.” (quote taken from Obama’s website) However the Second Ammendment says, “A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” No where in the Second Ammendment does it say anything about hunting or target shooting.
Also keep in mind that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled time and time again that the police are NOT obligated to protect us. Don’t believe me? Do the research for yourself.
With all of this in mind, we are now going to have a president that wants to blatantly ignore our U.S. Constitution, take guns out of law abiding citizen’s hands, and leave us defenseless for all criminals to pick us off one at a time. We all know that violent criminals are sure as hell not going to abide by any gun ban that Obama tries to have enacted.
With that said, I have my gun, I have a license to carry, and I will NEVER give up my right to bare arms without a fight.
@LadyValkyrie37 - Also keep in mind that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled time and time again that the police are NOT obligated to protect us. Don’t believe me? Do the research for yourself.
Pink unicorns exist. Don’t believe me? Find them yourself.
See, this is why the burden of proof falls on the person making the claim.
yep
maybe slightly.
i want a handgun.
Just because there’s gun contol laws doesn’t mean that people won’t have guns.
It’ll just become easier to get them illegally.. So it doesn’t really matter.
Not at all. Then again, I’m Canadian :-p
Gun control laws. Why in the world would we need those? It’s not like people are shooting each other over nothing…
I’m not really concerned about whatever gun control measures Obama might pass.
@huginn - From the book “Dial 911 and Die”, attorney Richard W. Stevens writes:
“It was the most shocking thing I learned in law school. I was studying Torts in my first year at the University of San Diego School of Law, when I came upon the case of Hartzler v. City of San Jose. In that case I discovered the secret truth: the government owes no duty to protect individual citizens from criminal attack. Not only did the California courts hold to that rule, the California legislature had enacted a statute to make sure the courts couldn’t change the rule. But this doesn’t apply to just the wild, upside down world of Kalifornia. Stevens cites laws an cases for every state — plus Washington DC, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Canada – which reveal the same thing. If the police fail to protect you, even through sheer incompetence and negligence, don’t expect that you or your next of kin will be able to sue.
Even in the nation’s heartland, in bucolic Iowa, you can’t depend on 911. In 1987, two men broke into a family’s home, tied up the parents, slit the mother’s throat, raped the 16-year-old daughter, and drove off with the 12-year old daughter (whom they later murdered). The emergency dispatcher couldn’t be bothered with immediately sending police to chase the kidnappers/murders/rapists while the abducted little girl was still alive. First he had to take calls about a parking violation downtown and a complaint about harassing phone calls. When he got around to the kidnapping, he didn’t issue an all-points bulletin but instead told just one officer to come back to the police station, not even mentioning that it was an emergency. Even more blazing negligence ensued, but suffice it to say that when the remnants of the family sued the city and the police, their case was summarily dismissed before going to trial. The state appeals court upheld the decision, claiming that the authorities have no duty to protect individuals. Similarly, people in various states have been unable to successfully sue over the following situations:
when 911 systems have been shut down for maintenance
when a known stalker kills someone
when the police pull over but don’t arrest a drunk driver who runs over someone later that night
when a cop known to be violently unstable shoots a driver he pulled over for an inadequate muffler
when authorities know in advance of a plan to commit murder but do nothing to stop it
when parole boards free violent psychotics, including child rapist-murderers
when felons escape from prison and kill someone
when houses burn down because the fire department didn’t respond promptly
when children are beaten to death in foster homes
A minority of states do offer a tiny bit of hope. In eighteen states, citizens have successfully sued over failure to protect, but even here the grounds have been very narrow. Usually, the police and the victim must have had a prior “special relationship” (for example, the authorities must have promised protection to this specific individual in the past). And, not surprisingly, many of these states have issued contradictory court rulings, or a conflict exists between state law and the rulings of the courts. Don’t look to Constitution for help. “In its landmark decision of DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services,” Stevens writes, “the US Supreme Court declared that the Constitution does not impose a duty on the state and local governments to protect the citizens from criminal harm.”
Here’s the link to buy it at Amazon… I suggest you buy it and read it. http://www.amazon.com/Dial-911-Die-Richard-Stevens/dp/0964230445
@huginn - Sooner or later it’ll come down to it. Just a few more strict rules being thrown at it and it would be as if the people won’t have that right.
@LadyValkyrie37 - Thank you for the effort in providing the citation and in producing the link.
Although, the topic is of some interest, the book title and cover just looks too corny. =P
why would he? why would that be the reason gun sells are coming up? you dont know gun sells are up because of the president; thats stupid. maybe there is more people hunting. hunting for turkeys? thankgiving is just around the corner. people like to hunt; right? or thankgiving dinner? right?
@huginn - You should never judge a book by it’s cover… literally and figuratively.
@awokenfatality - Are you fucking serious?
The “right to bear arms” is written into the constitution. It’s as if the Supreme Court would stand up, twirl about, and magically undo their landmark cases.
1. We have the right to bear arms.
2. Anybody else feel like this only takes guns from the good guys, because criminals would just get them by unlawful means?
I think it’s time to change the text under your plugz =) Maybe to I voteD for John Mccain…
As for the post, I’m not really concerned with it. In all honesty, I think he should. Or maybe he should make the bullets like 3,000 each. That way you can have a gun, but can’t kill anyone. Unless it’s really really important
take all the guns away.
It really wouldn’t surprise me either way – but I certainly wish that if anything he loosens gun control laws. Ah, but I won’t bother getting my hopes up.
The whole reason the founding fathers gave us the second amendment was so we could overthrow the government when they destroy our God-given rights.
And the government has severely impeded our life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It’s time to overthrow them!
Too bad governments long established are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
you know, that is the least of his problems ! i would hope he addresses the economy first .
Concerned? He has an extremely anti-2nd Amendment record.
I’d be more concerned about congress passing laws.
@mileyfan08 - lol
no.
nope… i really hope he does =)
@huginn -
actually, tom@revelife and anaraug are probably right. criminals will get their guns with or without gun control. they break the laws, that’s why they’re criminals.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=4706
Owning a gun does not necessarily lead to violence. However, if nobody had guns then people would go back to beating each other with sticks and rocks. We need to address the underlying issue of the tendency to resort to violence first.
If you take away your child’s baseball bat because he is hitting the dog with it, he will probably find a hockey stick and continue.
If you teach him not to hit the dog in the first place then you eliminate the problem before it occurs.
He wants to But he will not be open about it. He is not in the mood to have his parties lead wiped out in two years.
I don’t think he will. He will be too busy with other stuff, and there is too much opposition to more gun control.
I have heard it say that the boys who did the shooting at Columbine broke something like 14 or so gun laws. Will more gun laws really help?
@nuttynutrition@healthkicker - Tom was making a general claim of the world world, and just hand-waving wouldn’t be enough to fairly substantiate his claim.
And thanks for the CATO link.
Time to stock up. Never know when the war could come this way.
@infinitiNY - or a lawlessness-inducing natural disaster.
I am in no way concerned about this. There are far more things I think are more important and will require his attention before this matter.
this news actually worries me.
At least these manipulable, fanatical gun-lovers are pumping money into the economy.
No
Well geez, first it’ll be guns, then it’ll be ropes and wrenches and candlesticks and lead pipes… think of poor Colonel Mustard…
This might support some people who think someone might go after him. I personally think that those people are silly and ignorant.
I always thought the “Right to Bear Arms” was a bit of an outdated concept. It seems infinitely more logical to sit down with an opposing party and discuss the pros and cons than it does to have a showdown at the OK Corral. Seems a little primeval if’n you asked me. So do I think we need more laws? No. Do I think we need more laws to be ENFORCED? Yep. That’s it right there. Enforce what’s already in place.
@OshizushiSushiGirl - Everyone knows it was Ms. Scarlett in the Laboratory with the dagger! *LOL*
There’s no way he can ban these guns *holds up biceps*! Welcome to the gun show!
Yes I am! I better hurry up and go buy my gun.
People need to realize these are law abiding citizens who are worried. B/c we have a concealed handgun license, we are worried. B/c we dont plan on using them other than for protection we are worred. Law abiding citizens go to gun shows and stores to purchase clean guns…..Those who arent worried are the ones who use it on the street. They can get “street” guns anyway, anyhow.
I read somewhere that crime rates were going to go up under Obama’s presidential term. I don’t like guns in general so I would be happy if Obama passed gun control measures.
the more guns there is, the easier obama could get killed….this wasn’t suppose to be a joke
Haha, I’d like to see him TRY to pass gun control measures.
great question, you really stirred up some controversy here!
No, I am not concerned. My opinion is that it doesn’t matter what Obama or Congress does anyway. I think we are quickly getting past the point where our government has the ability to make significant changes in society — at least, not without turning the U.S. into a police state. Too much social inertia.
Besides, I don’t think the real rulers of this country want change. Obama is just a puppet.
I don’t own a gun, nor do I want to own a gun, but I have many family and friends who do, and I don’t want their guns taken away. I’m not so arrogant to believe that everything would be better if everyone became just like me.
gun control only stops honest, law-abiding citizens from obtaining them- it won’t stop those who got their guns in illegal manners to start with- and then the good people will be defenseless against them. self-protection is a natural right, gun control takes that away. my inlaws have had to defend themselves (mind you they never fired a shot) against would-be intruders. come to the door with a rifle in hand and people think twice about causing trouble (FYI- my inlaws live in the boonies in a place where it would be too late if they relied on the authorities for protection.)
i’m even considering getting a concealed-carry to protect myself and my babies when we’re in dangerous areas of the ‘nati- even if i never load it, it might come in handy to ward off would-be thugs.
No.
He has little use for the constitution so it would not surprise me even a little.
Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation–Chicago one of the most violent cities. Go figure.
Actually, I’m concerned that BO is the President-Elect period. The things he will advocate and push are gonna scare tha batsnot out of people.
Gun control gets any tigher it will go against the constitution but people are afraid fo guns, not of the people weilding the guns. If there were more harsh repercussions for say, armed robbery and murder, something people were actually afraid of guns would be used more for protection and frankly, people would buy less of them because they would have people with guns who could control people who used guns for bad. To be perfectly honest, we will all just be victims if criminals get really good guns and know we can’t have them withou going to prision. However, I believe most people weren’t taught the reasons why guns are important, only taught to be afraid of them, so I say, you better invest in bulletproof vests for the whole family nd get damn good at martial arts.
I don’t think it’s at the top of his ‘to-do’ list right now. He has entirely too much else on his plate to concentrate on ‘taking guns away’… My husband is an AVID gun collector. I mean, it’s his entire life-hobby. He voted Obama because he truly believes that he’s a lot more middle-of-the-road with gun laws then most Democrats. And remember: Just because they’re Republican doesn’t automatically make them exactly pro-guns. The NRA was hesitant to even support McCain because his stance on gun laws wasn’t exactly copasetic with theirs.
I’m not concerned it will happen because it’s going to. My concern is that the American people no longer have the balls to rise up and fight it.
@PreciousOnyx - ”The more dangerous parts of ‘nati”- you mean like Over the Rhine or parts of Covington? I’m confused because so far, I haven’t run into anywhere around here that even remotely makes me scared enough to carry a concealed. More power to you for wanting a concealed carry- I’m all for them. But I’ve been in far worse places then downtown Cincy… I wouldn’t worry too much about Obama taking away your concealed carry ability- not something he’s ever voted against- but Ohio laws for CC’s are rediculous to begin with. They make it a lot harder then other states (like our neighbor Indiana) but that’s more Ohio-specific laws then federal.
Gun control is great imo, coming from the UK I can say it’s probably one of the few things this country has got right. I am aware of constitutional rights and i’m sure the NRA is doing it’s nut about the issue at the moment. That being said it’s pretty much common sense to think less guns in the hands of the public means less people being shot by them.
Of course I’m concerned.
And Biden makes me more nervous than Obama.
I actually went and got my concealed carry permit at the first opportunity after he was elected and plan to buy a handgun before he’s sworn in. It’s really something that I should have done 2 years ago, but this made me quit putting it off.
Seriously?!? They say that with every Democrat that is in office. It is the speculators that raise the prices anymore- look at gas. Why was it that gas got so high? Oh, yeah somebody thought that the price was going up!
As some have suggested, I think they’ll raise taxes on guns. The Supreme Court recently ruled that a jurisdiction can’t ban guns (ie: DC) and so I don’t see Obama being successful in banning guns, or gun sales, but he’ll try and come up with something like taxes or high registration fees that will essentially slow the sales of guns. But, the criminals, who don’t usually walk into gun shops to buy their guns, will still have them.
as long as it is for the good of crime control. i was raised in a family of hunters and there’d be some really pissed off folks around here if we couldn’t use our guns anymore.
I guess it wont matter to me. I’ll get concerned when they come out with a hello kitty gun that has hello kitty bullets. That is when i am going to want a gun. Until them i am good with my sling-shot!
Ok first off I want to explain to you all that even if he did suggest having stronger gun control, the chances of it even passing are very slim. If you knew anything about politics and the way thwey worked you would have realised this by now.
Secondly, despite it more than likely never happening, I hope someone does crack down on guns. Particulaly the sub-machine guns that some idiot decided hunters needed to take down a deer, duck or goose. Quite frankly, if you can’t take down an animal with a rifle, shootgun, or bow and arrow the first time using one to five bullets or arrows then go to the target range and get better at aiming and shooting in general. Don’t give me some BS about needing a more powerful gun whose only pratical use is armed combat. You want to give me the second amendmet line? Fine, lets go ask the students from Columbine how they feel about semi-automatic handguns. and rifles Especially since they were so damn easy for Harris and Kebold to attain. Don’t give me the line about not all gun owners being so irresponsible either. The fact sill remains that these guns have no practical purpose in the hands of civilians and all of the gun crimes and school shootings that have involved them prove it.
ABSOLUTELY concerned. It won’t stop criminals and those wanting to do harm to humans from getting guns if they really want them, then the only people left having guns will be those very people. And what will we have to legally protect ourselves?
My husband and I – proud NRA and Georgia Carry members – have always been passionate about second amendment rights. He has a concealed weapons license and carries in absolutely every establishment he’s legally allowed to carry. We’re currently re-watching the “John Adams” series, and it just reminds us of how important it is to maintain these rights. If you don’t like guns, don’t carry one or own one. Let the rest of us have ours. How many gun crimes have been committed by a law-abiding, licensed gun owner outside of carrying into an illegal place (i.e. airport)?
Freedom of Speech is already on the line (with all the talk of the “Fairness Doctrine”). Second amendment rights seem to always be on the line. These two together could really spiral downward into having, well, what rights left?
@nobodysangel_nobodysfool - Good for you. I see more and more women taking their safety into their own hands, and I think that’s a great thing. My husband and I go to the shooting range at least twice a month to keep comfortable with self-protection. He is also a concealed carrier (I’m working on it). For those that don’t worry and say that ”it’ll likely never happen and they say that everytime a Democrat is in office”, look at the make up of our government come January. The Democrats have control of nearly every branch of government – restrictions and laws will be much easier past with Obama, Biden, Pelosi and all the liberal House and Congress in office. We should be scared.
No.
Obama supports the NRA.
I don’t own a gun, therefore I am not concerned. My dad says: “Life is too short to be concerned about other people and what they want and do. Just take care of yourself and your family. Others will do likewise.”
@sarahb_86 - Not to argue because I don’t disagree with you- but just to simply state.. my husband’s a veteran and has an affinity for military guns (actually, all things gun related) He’s an avid collector and feels just as strongly as you do that most people don’t need to be in possession of guns like that, but given that he’s a collector, he believes people should still be given the option of owning these types of guns, but he believes that they should have a collectors liscense (which they pay for and maintain yearly, as well as have to qualify for before being given the ability to own them) and he’s more then happy to do all the paperwork necessary and pay any extra fees or taxes to do so. He thinks people should also be willing to properly store them and keep them out of the hands of theifs or children, etc.
Given that I don’t think most common criminals or anyone with alterior motives in mind would go through all of that in order to obtain them (not to mention he’s all for being strict on who can have them- no prior criminals, no one with a reccord of any kind, etc.) I think it’s not a bad compromise instead of outlawing them completely.
As Charlton Heston says, “From my cold, dead hands!!!”
Then he parted the sea.
@beccabussa - I am not saying we should completely outlaw guns per-say, I am asking what possible reason could there be for a hunter to have a freaking AK-47 to hunt with?!
Yes people who are in the military are allowed to own such guns, but they have been trained how to use them and use them in their “job”, so that makes sense. As far as collecting them goes, I think that if people are buying them for collecting, then they should be rendered unusable. That way there is no accidents and no way that they can be used irresponsibly should they be stolen.
I do agree that even with the measures you outlined, criminals are hardly going to follow them. They don’t now and pretty much never will. It is a lose-lose situation.
I think the sales of guns have gone up because it’s getting close to Christmas and thieve are getting more and more dangerous every year.
Our gun and ammo business has gone through the roof at W/M…………………..
Nope.
No I think we need tighter gun control laws.
I think he will eventually….he has bigger fish to fry first.
ie: economy, war in Iraq, the education system, our nation’s debt, etc.
If he really wants to restrict gun use, he should restrict the sales of the ammunition….that’s where it’ll really hurt.
@PreciousOnyx - My parents live in the same situation as well. There’s no way the authorities would get there in time if someone were causing trouble.
Yes I am.
I’ve got the right to protect myself.
Better stay that way.
@fugu62 - hear hear!
people kill people.
no. not in the least bit. why should guns be easy to obtain?
I hope not. I like obama but also guns
Well, as a staunch supporter of the American Constitution, I believe in the right to keep and bear arms.
But this conceal-and-carry business is ridiculous. Concealed weapons are bad news.
actually i’m relieved.
I don’t mind stricter gun control. Control does not mean “take away everyone’s right to a gun”. The only problem with gun control is that it’s not legal guns that cause most gun violence– it’s stolen guns, or legal registered guns that have been stolen.
I plan on applying for a gun permit when I turn 18 in a few months and a PA Concealed Carry the second I turn 21.
Nope,not worried cause he can’t make that call on his own,he has a whole congress that has to agree on it or not.
Please, there are too many gun zealots out there. They will never be able to take away your guns.
Myself, its against my beliefs to own a gun, I dont like them at all.
He better damn well pass gun control measures, gun violence is an epidemic in this country.
How about, NO, since he’s firmly in support of second amendment rights for individuals.
JESUS.
yes.
Lol I live in Alaska, almost everyone up here does. My boyfriend just bought a rifle, yea I would say a lot of people are thinking better now than never.
no, i’ve heard things about him wanting to ban the right to bear arms, but i don’t think that’s going to happen. it’s unconstitutional (although i could argue that it shouldn’t still be in the constitution since it’s outdated and it’s purpose was about the revoltuionary war).
but more gun control: i don’t see anything wrong with that. probably because i’m not into the whole gun thing.
No. It is not likely to happen.
People love to scare themselves. Our nation is addicted to adrenalin rushes.
no.
I’m pretty sure that while he’s a liberal, he’s not against the 2nd amendment based on what I’ve read. So I don’t see the cause for alarm.
Yes. it’s one the main reasons I DID NOT vote for him.
Yes, and that’s why I bought my Ruger last weekend.