November 28, 2008
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Did God Create Women Weaker Than Men?
One of the Bible verses that sticks out in my mind is I Peter 3:7: “Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.”
Clearly that Bible verse teaches that women are weaker than men. Now we can tell that by in large women tend to be physically weaker than men. I don’t think I am going to get much argument on this point.
But is that all this passage is teaching? Men are supposed to care for their wives because they are weaker.
I wonder if that extends to other areas too. I just posted an article from a study done in the U.K. The study found that women tend to not be very sympathetic to men when they are sick. Here is the link: Link Any man can tell you that this is the case. Men are presented as soft whenever they are sick. According to the research, men were more likely to take care of their wives when they were sick.
I remember when my dad broke his foot in three places. He never missed a day of work. He just kept going. You just don’t tend to see a woman respond the same way.
All we ever hear is how much tougher women are because they have babies and they have to experience a monthly cycle. If it was men having those babies, I guarantee there would not be six weeks off after the baby. Men would be back to work the next day.
Do you think God created women weaker than men?
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When men can bleed for 12 weeks out of every year and not die, I’ll concede the point.
If you believe in God then yes but in all honesty men have there strengths just like women do (child birth)
It is the other way around….men have no pain tolerance at all.
If you can stand feeling bloated and fat and gross and fart a lot and get pimples and have terrible cramps till you can’t move and have to lie on the bed(all the things women might experience during their period) and NOT take the painkiller, I’ll think about it.
I think that each sex has it’s strength and weaknesses…
no. i think that’s all bull, and i think it’s always been equal in sympathy and care for each other when we were sick.
I think men who push themselves, are afraid of ‘looking weak’ by taking time to heal properly. My husband does it, and has caused more issues by not taking the time he should. It’s a different kind of strength to admit you need help or to sit back and allow yourself to be vulnerable.
Men are physically stronger but women are emotionally stronger.
No, actually, it says in Genesis that woman was made to be a partner for man.
But if you go on, it says for man to also be submissive unto their wives.
Also, God created men and women to be equals; its just that whole curse God placed on Adam and Eve after they trangressed against God’s law of eating the fruit that made them unequal, and women more dependent on men.
Weaker has many different meanings. One can be weak in physical strength, but strong in what they can handle in life. You see strong men take their life when things get hard weither it be financial,marriage or whatever. You can have a woman that has these same struggles and they just endure. It can also go the other way. I think the passage is mostly talking about physical strength myself. The strongest woman is probably stronger than the weakest man sure, I’m not talking about that, it’s on a whole men are physically stronger like you said you probably wouldn’t get any arguements
If you ever had the experience of having a baby, sir, you would be off work for six weeks. Don’t presume to know how painful and difficult the process is. Don’t belittle this, just because you will never have it happen to you. It affects many organs of the body. It even takes a good week before you can walk properly again.
No, I don’t think women are weaker, certainly not psychologically. Plus, women have more stamina. And after tending two husbands who were sick, I have to say that men react much worse to simple things like colds and flu. If you mean, who can lift more weight, then men are stronger.
@Gerald_Washington - or so says the person inspired by the Xangator to create the “Xanga Bible”
Daaaan, you’re gonna get some mad women on your case for this one.
Yes, they’re weaker physically, but they seem to tolerate pain better/longer.
And yes, I’m right when I say weaker physically, because my sister has a LOT more muscle than me but I can lift twice the weight.
“remember when my dad broke his foot in three places. He never missed a day of work. He just kept going. You just don’t tend to see a woman respond the same way.”
Maybe I’ll break my foot up your ass to test the theory, for spouting such retarded generalizations. You’re better than this, you conflict-loving, xanga war mongerer!
^_^
@niez_cho - That’s what I was looking for. Thank you.
i resent this.
I’ve met enough women to know one thing, they can be an equal to man any day and a man can be equal to them. .. but women have also got tremendous Nature.. (testosterone makes men wild natured) or capacity.. I think both sexs are gifted with different specialities, but both can adapt to any role. The human species can not be defined as one better or worse..
Without men, there would be no women… and vise versa..
Generally, the greater strengths are in different areas, of course, but in terms of resolve, a woman can be as strong as she wants.
Beyond that, perceptions of “weakness” and “strength” are somewhat faulty in our society. Personally, I think your Dad was being a dumbass and likely damaged his foot permanently. (Not to offend, Dan, but seriously? That wasn’t the smartest.)
Plus, I’ve seen women be dumbasses in the same way. Grin.
Refusing to heal, to show emotion, to be open, nurturing, and caring is as weak as becoming weakened by an illness, if not more. None of us are supermen, impervious to the ills of this world. Why is it considered strong to act so?
@nimbusthedragon - Hee. Yeah.
Is weaker a synomym for smarter?
the only difference between any man or woman is what they learned along the way.
There will be a time where men an women rule the world side by side.. Kings and queens if you will
@CallMeQuell - I wish I could have phrased it like you. Sadly, I am but a commoner. lol
Also, I just noticed your comments about cycles, babies and all that.
I *hope* you’re being sarcastic.
@seedsower - It is the other way around….men have no pain tolerance at all.
Exactly. That’s why each country’s military is composed primarily of men. They’re too cowardly for basic training. They can’t stand being shot in the line of duty.
Sort of, yes. Physically weaker? Yes. Less emotionally stable? Yes.
But what offends me is the assumption that women do not take care of their men. We absolutely do, just like we take care of our children. Hell, you take care of anyone you love.
As weak as we may seem to be, you guys somehow always fall into our trap.
Met us,love us and simply can’t live without us!
Okie, dokie… Well, some women are physically weaker.
@nimbusthedragon - He’s inciting the masses, of course.
I have one more thing to say, Dan: LIES AND VAUDEVILLE!
@saintvi - When men can bleed for 12 weeks out of every year and not die, I’ll concede the point.
I think it’s stupid to imply that a person suffering from an unchosen discomfort is automatically straonger than someone having been spared that malady.
There have been studies showing that women tolerate more pain better than men do. That being said, it is a psychological strenght to know and admit when you need to stop and take care of yourself instead of pressing on.
As for the lack of sympathy for colds, when women have a mere cold, their SO’s probably don’t notice because most women hardly react to just a cold. Men ARE babies when they are even barely sick, in my previous experiences.
@huginn - I think it’s stupid to take a comment seriously that’s obviously not intended to be serious. Lighten up.
@missmorose - I’ve broken my pinky and didn’t realize it (it was two pin point fractures), my hand was swollen, I went into work the next day without taking anything and was lifting 50-60 (depending on how many wings were in them) pound fryer baskest with that hand… This was also while getting splashed with 435 degree fryer oil.
Women complain too much about their periods and most people that complain about child birth haven’t had a child yet, thus making that point invalid for those people.
No, if men could give birth, they would have to take that time off because then they would produce hormones and have that strong meternal instict for their young ones. Besides, it’s not good for their health to return to work so quickly, if the next day they returned, and especially after having a c-section, they could bleed to death.
The way it is is that men have more upper body strength while women have more lower body strength.
@nattata - Haha, awesome.
@niez_cho - Hah, hmmmm… That depends on who we’re talking about. I don’t really think emotions are because of sex, but more of what they’ve had to deal with and how they dealt with it.
Women and men have strengths in different ways. Women have more strength in their back than in their arms.
And anyway, the six weeks after the birth is to spend time with the baby more than anything. Infants of any species need affection or they cannot grow.
Yes, women are generally physically weaker which is what the verse says. However the verse doesn’t say anything about caring for your wife because she’s weaker, it says ”treat them with respect”.
As for men and illness, most men I’ve been acquainted with regress to childhood when they’re sick. They want to lay on the couch and whine and watch tv and have mommy bring them everything. And I did say most men, not all.
@nimbusthedragon - ha ha ha!
physically weaker.
Physically, yes, men are stronger. They are less likely to get sick or hurt
BUT – I take damn good care of my boyfriend when he’s sick, just like he takes damn good care of me when *I’m* not feeling well. Sure, the latter happens more often. But either way, we react to care for each other.
And I’d like to see you give that line about childbearing to the mother of your children. If she has any sense she’ll twist your balls until you’re screaming for forgiveness.
In a way, yes, women are weaker.
@huginn - Whether you like it or not, surviving adversity DOES make a person stronger. I doubt you would take offense if someone said that (on average) holocaust survivors are stronger than white suburbanites. And you certainly wouldn’t say that the holocaust was chosen.
Obviously, that’s an extreme example. But it illustrates my point, which is that women have learned how to deal with sometimes incredibly intense pain and weakness (I’d had days where, simply due to my period, I was too weak to move, or where it felt like someone had just stuck a knife into my abdomen.) Men may or may not be able to adapt to the same thing. But in the meantime, it does mean that (at least in that aspect), women have built up a tolerance to make them stronger.
@niez_cho - If women are emotionally stronger, then how do they create so much DRAMA, and why are they always in pieces after a breakup? Why do they often cloud their reason by letting their emotions interfere with what they KNOW?
on the contrary, you would be much more likely to see me doing my daily duties on a broken foot than you would my husband, despite the fact that he works in an office in front of a computer. I disagree with your logic. And if your genitalia was ripped open and gushing blood, I guarantee you wouldn’t be working (in re: to having a baby comment)
No you are wrong. If a man had a baby he’d get more than 6 weeks off b/c it would be huge news and he would be busy making money on Regis, Dateline, 48 Hours Mystery, etc!!! ha haaaaaaaa
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Even if it was normal for a man to have a baby, you would NOT be back the next day…trust me. It would atleast take 2 weeks I’d say!
Interesting post…keep ‘em coming.
@la_faerie_joyeuse - Whether you like it or not, surviving adversity DOES make a person stronger.
Yesterday, I got a papercut. A-HA! I’m stronger than y’all without papercuts.
…women have learned how to deal with sometimes incredibly intense pain and weakness (I’d had days where, simply due to my period…
Periods aren’t so bad that most women, across the board, have become stronger than men.
A lot makes up a person’s life and experiences. Yeah, periods are bad. Childbirth is painful. But they only make a small contribution in the scheme of things.
No one would disagree with your earlier example. And likewise with the war veteran, cancer survivor, and the orphan. But the pain of monthly periods is hardly sufficient to elevate all women to this level.
@lostintranscension - and you’ve never had a period or given birth, so it’s not as if you could dismiss either of them.
@Dare2BDiferentt - : )
@lostintranscension - That is true. Women are built up to have a higher emotional quotient.
@la_faerie_joyeuse - I think you can attribute that to women being more expressive emotional-wise, though sometimes women may not use their strength in emotion with best motives.
I think all Paul is saying is that, in general, women are physically weaker, and certainly in his time, they were economically weaker. Men who have the strength and power and ability to labor tirelessly in the fields need to be willing to assist those not as able (or possible in some cultures). But I don’t think there’s much to make of that difference between the sexes. It doesn’t amount to much in the long run. Wisdom is more valuable than any kind of strength (so says the Preacher in Eccl 6) and neither sex has a lock on that.
Women are in general pampered by society, I don’t deny that. When a woman knows she must get out of bed at all costs and get to work, she will.
I’ve seen my mother do it. She half-killed herself at one point, because she had to.
men and women were created by God with different weaknesses.
Which presupposes that God actually engaged in something so silly as creating men and women, and for me at least that is where I part ways with the Bible, or, I think that the Biblical God has frequent anthropomorphical traits, which have more to do with projection than with reality, in line with when Descartes said: God created man in his image, and then man returned the compliment. So I feel that the Biblical account is often full of confusion in this regard, confusing the human projection of God with What He is in truth.
@saintvi - I think it’s stupid to take a comment seriously that’s obviously not intended to be serious. Lighten up.
1.) If you really intended some bad joke, then it was pretty lame for you to leave that comment marred in ambiguity.
2.) I don’t beleieve you. You were making an actual point in the comment. And as la_farie_joyeuse shows below, it’s a feasible argument. This back-pedaling is pretty weak.
@greenbird321 - Apparently: One for fruit, and the other for women.
I would say that physically, women are generally weaker.
But we are supposed to have better pain tolerance, so that’s probably why we have cycles and babies and such.
The main purpose for each sex, I believe, was for women to be nurturers and men to be providers. That doesn’t mean one can’t fulfill the other role, of course- but I think that in general, that is how it is set up. That’s how we’re naturally geared.
Both sexes are supposed to protect the children and I guess the man is supposed to protect the woman, because that’s what the verse says.
So I guess overall they’re about the same, but I’d say men are stronger physically.
Oh Dan, you contrarian. I know you’re just trying to stir the pot here, but I’ll play along.
First Papa Bear pointed out that women live longer. Seems like women are stronger in terms of endurance. Survival definitely counts for some kind of strength.
But rather than take on all the points I can argue with (men wouldn’t take off 6 weeks after childbirth– pshaw), I’ll address the verse. Some tranlations say to treat women as a “delicate vessel.” This is the way I’ve always interpreted the verse. The woman is like a beautiful, fine vase. Perhaps a little more fragile, yes, but the point is that a woman should be treasured. I think there’s probably also an element of physical protection, that women should be defended. This is why in a crisis, traditionally, women and children were saved first. If you look at Biblical directives in marriage, they speak to the deepest needs of men and women. I can’t speak for men and women universally, but I’m certain that my husband’s greatest desire is to be respected, and mine is to be treasured. I will work my tail off for this family, as long as I feel appreciated.
One other random thought: My husband is tougher about injuries than I am, but he’s doesn’t get out of bed on the rare occasion that he’s sick (whereas I had to care for a family of 4 kids, while vomiting for 16 weeks). Men could survive pregnancy and childbirth, but they certainly wouldn’t do it twice.
Dan, what planet are you on? The way men carry on for a little injury or a cold, if they had babies, first of all maternity leave would be at least 6 months long. There would be no pregancy discrimination. A method of completely curing labor pains would have been invented long ago and fat would be considered “hip” and sexy.
Women have a smaller build and less muscles than men. But that is not to say they are weaker. In many ways they are actually stronger in a way men will never understand. Not that men aren’t strong and wonderful. But women are much stronger in many ways.
“Do you think God created women weaker than men?”
When you ask this question try to word it a bit differently next time. We don’t all believe in Genesis.
You’re limiting the crowd that’s going to be comfortable with answering it. Not all of us believe in God, a lot of us are atheists, agnostics and there are some of us that believe in polytheism.
Do I believe women are weaker than men? No. Pain threshold studies are conflicting so they aren’t a good basis for proof, so for any women or man to say women have a higher tolerance for pain, you can’t prove it.. We each have our strengths and weaknesses though.
@LucyWrites - But that is not to say they are weaker. In many ways they are actually stronger in a way men will never understand. Not that men aren’t strong and wonderful. But women are much stronger in many ways.
Yeah.
And there’s no magical scale where we can load on the strengths of men on one end and the strengths of women on the other to come up with some overall accounting of strengths/weaknesses.
Only physically but we kick but in everything else.
@hotpinkstarberry - Oh wow. Really?!
But I wonder what can posssibly explain the dearth of women scientists, engineers, and mathematicians.
That all might have been true years ago, but things have changed. In our society, it’s become okay for a woman to be stronger than a man (in any way shape or form you can think of). The old stereotypes don’t apply anymore. I think that with any woman, there is the potential to grow and be just as strong as a man (physically, women kick our ass at pretty much everything else).
Baloney, men wouldn’t work and walk on a broken foot, but women would, because they have to keep going and taking care of their families and working anyway. Men are such big babies and have no pain tolerance. The women teachers at my school come to school no matter what – soon after surgeries, whatever….the men, they stay home and take time off.
Most of the men I know are the biggest babies when it comes to getting sick or hurt. They whine & whine on the couch & can simply not do anything.
While most of the women I know, if they get sick or hurt they continue on with every day things as normally as possible. Sure they’ll whine.. who doesn’t when they don’t feel good? But they aren’t all “woe is me.”
I think the Bible probably meant the physical thing. But then again I try not to read too much into the Bible ’cause that’s where I think we get into a lot of trouble.. reading stuff into it that isn’t there.
Its all about strengths and weaknesses I think. Its not a matter of who may be physically, mentally, or emotionally strong. Men and women have different weaknesses/strengths and abilities.
And for the record, about a week after my baby sister was born my mom was back at work. It all really just depends. Just because you don’t take the offered help, doesn’t mean its not offered.
But again, all a matter of opinion and differences.
I mean, if I can’t open up a jar of pickles, I’ll ask my boyfriend. But he has told me numerous times he does not want to be the one on tht hospital bed in April when I give birth to our son.
No fucking way.
You strap a 30 pound weight to a man’s stomach. See how long it takes before he’s complaining that his back aches, that his feet hurt, that he doesn’t like it…etc. The men I know are such whiny bitches when they’re sick that I completely understand the 5-minutes-of-sympathy thing. I’m like, “Okay, you have a head cold, I get it, but this project isn’t going to do itself and I have a job. Pick up some slack!”
@huginn - I would think that someone who isn’t “afflicted with the malady” of having a monthly period would not be in any position to make any judgments as to whether having them “arent as bad”. I suffer about as much as faerie does and I can tell you, sir, it is no cakewalk. Quit downplaying it, or else you’ll have a lot of ladies on here jump right down your throat.
Also, saintvi was being facetious. Chill!
@huginn - Indeed. There is no magical scale to determine strength… going either way. So neither gender comes out smelling like a rose do they.
… haha… reference to my own recent entry. Smooth, Lucy, smooth.
I can guarantee you that if men had to have babies, the human race would of died off almost as soon as it began
Dan,
I believe men are physically stronger, but it’s a known fact that women are what hold the family unit together! And every man I have ever seen milks it for all it is worth regarding the ankle comment/injury, sickness, or what have you. Perhaps your father is an exception!
And regarding your monthly cycle, delivering baby comment, AFTER you have delivered a baby through your private organ, THEN tell me all about it, rofl,
I still love you, lol!
I think it’s simply that men have more pride, are afraid of looking weak, and women are emotional and express themselves by appearing “weak” but they don’t really see it as weakness, where a man would.
Yeah, I think we’re wiser and we know more about emotions and can express them more. Its true that there are some prety wise men and all I just think we understand how things work more. What we lack in strength we excell in everything else.
Its true that this doesn’t apply to all women of course.
Actually, if men were the ones birthing children, their bodies would have to be fundamentally the same as a woman’s, and so it would be just as weak… Our bodies aren’t the way they are because we’re women, we’re women because our bodies are the way they are. =]
There are physical discrepancies between women and men, but it’s more a societal thing when it comes to our perceptions of weakness. Society says men should show no weakness, etc etc, and so it’s ingrained in our males that they have to be stoic and push through their own suffering just because they’re male. And this teaching in society makes women scoff at men who show weakness. If we taught our kids that there’s no gender barrier for emotion, society would be much better off, they would be much more emotionally balanced.
@huginn - haha in a way, yes.
Women are but (equal) brethren for men. Only an honorable man treats women with honor and integrity. And only a mean, deceitful and dishonest man humiliates and insults women.
I’ve read that there is a difference in pain threshold, or tolerance, between men and women. Women tend to perceive pain as being more intense, and have a higher frequency in episodes of pain in their lifetime, and the duration of the pain lasts longer. I’m sure that lends itself somewhat when considering recovery from illlness or injury as compared to men. I wouldn’t consider that in itself making us weaker though, since our pain perception is very much real and it’s not at all something we intentionally alter.
I don’t know if I agree that women don’t take care of their men though, if anything I think it’s more of the opposite. I guess I’m just speaking from experience though, I enjoy taking care of people.
@huginn - How dare you call saintvi “stupid”?!?! How DARE you?!??
You have NO RIGHT to make a judgement call like this, none at all.
Go back to the 1950′s where you belong.
Besides - men’s “higher pain tolerance” has nothing to do with physiology and everything to do with conforming to society’s expectations (go here to see a study). I would guess that you are a “high-identifying male”, you chauvinistic idiot.
Go out and kill some defenseless animals and slaughter some indigenous peoples … Maybe that will satisfy your need to beat your chest and howl.
Mine says live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker. Basically to me that’s saying just be careful because they’re more emotional than you are. Which, how true is that? I know not all women aren’t like that. But, I know a lot who are.
Women aren’t weaker than men, just created differently. That’s why men and women come together as one because they complete each other. Everything a man isn’t, a woman is. At least, in most cases.
@huginn - I agree that most women are not severely debilitated by their periods. But I think the topic at hand was really how well women deal with pain as compared to men. And periods are a great example of women working through what can be very intense pain or feelings of physical weakness.
Honestly, this whole topic is unarguable, because there is no individual who has been both female and male (even transgendered individuals don’t truly know what it’s like on EITHER side, much less both). But I think that the fact that women persevere and don’t let you know how bad their periods may be hurting them, is a testament to their strength. I can’t say how that compares to a man’s trials or adversities, and nor can you. And nor can you say it’s insignificant without having lived through it. For some women, periods are insignificant. For others, it completely shuts down their entire body for days or weeks(!) on end. And yet, most soldier through it.
I argue that it’s actually, overall, easier to be a man. Women (particularly the attractive ones) get ALL SORTS of benefits. But the hoops they have to go through, and the rules they have to follow, are just not worth it. That’s why I, personally, just said “fuck the social order,” and I live in a more “masculine” way. I am direct and logical. I am stubborn. I do not play petty politics or spend tons of time trying to make myself look good. I still have many of the inherent physical disadvantages that come with femininity (weak arms and periods are among them, but also the fact that I have to fuck with my hormones in order to avoid pregnancy). But I have chosen to act more like a “man” is traditionally seen in society, because honestly, it IS easier.
in some ways i think women in general are weaker, in other ways i think stronger. however, i really think how people deal with pain and illness is an individual/non-gender-specific thing and also depending upon his/her faith and/or what other stressors are impacting his/her life at the time.
nice thought-provoking post.
just for the sake of comment—the text isn’t pointing out that women are weaker. It’s pointing out how to love your wife in such a way that God will not cut your prayers off as a husband.
From what I have seen, women do take care of men when they are sick. And when my mother is sick, she still goes to work and still cooks and cleans. Nothing put’s her down.
But there are also many strong women in the bible, for example Sarah disagreed with Abraham, and God told Abraham to listen to her. Genesis 21: 8-14
So women are not Men’s shadows in the bible but partner’s. Malachi 2:14.
Since they are partner’s I would only guess that just as men take care of women, women have to take care of men.
But the bible does make it clear that men are head of the family. unfortunately.
Depends on which aspect you are talking about. Not a definite Yes or No.
It’s case-by-case, but I think that behind the scenes, women are stronger overall and hold the real power.
Yes. Physically weaker.
We are also weaker in that we take things more personally. For instance, girls tend to take performance evaluations at work much harder than guys do because girls see any “areas for improvement” that the boss says they have as an imperfection in them whereas guys see it as simply an area in which they can improve.
Most girls I know (myself included) also ENJOY when a guy cares for them – whether it be knocking them out of the way of an oncoming car, “brining home the bacon”, or any other such thing – which makes us, in a sense, wearker. We DESIRE for guys to be stronger.
People may bash the Bible for saying this, but I really do think that it’s true. It says nothing about girls being of lesser worth – just weaker.
sexist ho
@lostintranscension - I broke 3 fingers and was helping move people the next day. I would rather have 10 broken fingers over a bad period though, broken fingers don’t hurt that much. But it’s hard to make that comparison when you’ve never had a period.
@CanadianBroad - Chill out. I disagree with Huginn, too, but you notice he’s not calling *me* stupid. Why’s that? It’s not because I’ve struck some sort of deal or anything. It’s because of the way I approach my arguments.
Now, I don’t think it’s ever really appropriate to pull out such personal hits in a legitimate argument (which is why I try to refrain, even when I’m thinking it.) But in his defense, he does NOT belong in the 50′s. He supports racial “equality” and “LGBTQIA rights”. And this does not mean he wants to take away women’s rights.
@CanadianBroad - How dare you call saintvi “stupid”?!?! How DARE you?!??
I tagged saintvi’s argument stupid. I’m pretty sure saintvi, herself, is pretty intelligent.
You have NO RIGHT to make a judgement call like this, none at all.
Sure I do.
I called her argument stupid. In that comment, I gave my reason. When saintvi rebutted, I responded to her rebuttal.
Go back to the 1950′s where you belong.
Yeah. Saintvi = holy cow.
Anyhow, if you’re making some accusation of male-chauvinism, at least the decade right. The Woman’s suffrage movement was actually during the turn of the 20th century.
Besides - men’s “higher pain tolerance” has nothing to do with physiology and everything to do with conforming to society’s expectations (go here to see a study).
This argument makes no sense.
You can’t say, “In this argument, we’re discounting environmental influences. We can only count physiological sources.”
Pain tolerance is as much physiology as it is experience and state of mind.
I would guess that you are a “high-identifying male”, you chauvinistic idiot.
Apparently, you don’t really follow my comments on TheologianCafe (which is okay). But this premature judgement is kinda funny.
Go out and kill some defenseless animals and slaughter some indigenous peoples … Maybe that will satisfy your need to beat your chest and howl.
I’m not Republican. I’m not of European descent.
@SunnyMitsu - I like your answer. I, too, like to perceive men as stronger than I am.
@la_faerie_joyeuse - Sure. The entire comment sounds about right.
And I like your new xanga pic.
@huginn - Thanks. Glasses are hot. I just wish they weren’t so cumbersome.
It depends on how you measure strength. I have known some women who would put Hercules to shame, and it isn’t because they could throw a car or anything.
I don’t know where you’ve been. Men are such sucks when they are sick, even with the littlest ailment, that it’s no wonder that some women are not all that sympathetic. Women still have to do everything even when sick, look after the kids, the house, the family, work, etc. Men want to be babied.
I don’t think it would be possible for a man to go through what a woman goes through and pull it off. Men are just really babies about pain and can’t tolerate having to take care of anything when they don’t feel up to snuff. They may be able to go to work, but let one of them go with pain, no sleep, work and have the weight of the family’s needs on them? forget it. They are just wimps.
Physically, the strongest man is stronger than the strongest woman, that’s true. But since few of us are living from “the hunt” these days that’s really irrelevant. If you’ll think about it, even in those days the women did all of the hard work and they still do.
oh boy. i don’t even know. yeah, i guess we’re physically weaker. i mean, you guys have more testosterone. aas for being back at work… uh huh, try it.
@soul_survivor - Women still have to do everything even when sick, look after the kids, the house, the family, work, etc. Men want to be babied.
Sure: It’s tough being a housewife. For the working woman, it’s difficult to juggle domestic obligations with full-time work.
But you’re ignoring the flip side. Men toil in the toughest and cruelest professions. How many women work in the coal mines? Or as lumberjack and construction workers? What about as machinists or in the car-factories of Detroit, Michigan?
It’s always going to be an asymmetrical comparison if you only present half the story.
Haha, you’re milking this for all you can get, huh?
@huginn - *sigh* For the last time, I didn’t make an argument; I made a joke. It may be a lame joke, but let’s leave that judgment to people who actually possess a sense of humor, shall we?
This is not a valid question, because you’ve made some wrong assumptions. You assumed that god created things.
@la_faerie_joyeuse - Thanks!
I have been married 53 years. My wife was stronger than me. She won. I lost.
She manages the money. I only get what she gives me.
She is the boss of the house and does a great job.
She makes all the decisions and they are generally good.
I make the bed, change the sheets, vacuum the floor, empty the garbage, wash the towels and underwear. I fold the towels and her underwear and put them away neatly. I do the shopping and pick up all the fast food meals.
She gives me an allowance to live on.
My wife won. I lost. She won fair and square. She is also in charge of other activities that I will not put in print.
Weak, in some sense, but did you ever think we pretend to be weak so we can have a big strong man come to our rescue… just makes life easier
(haha) So technically we may not be as weak as men think we are.
@saintvi - Fair enough.
It may be a lame joke, but let’s leave that judgment to people who actually possess a sense of humor, shall we?
If you take it a Chris Rock line, and say it to a white person with a serious tone of voice; you’d probably get a charge of racism.
With any joke should be something to indicate its frivility: Either in its delivery or context.
In this case, the humor of the comment was so ambiguous that it doesn’t even begin to tap the reader’s humor (however much it is).
I disagree.
My boyfriend and I can both have a cold/flu at the same time and I keep going with my daily routine and he’s a whiny useless pile that calls in sick. physically though, yes he is stronger.
I think we possess our own set of strengths and weaknesses. Woman would not have been created if we weren’t needed by man, to complete what in him was incomplete. And yes, physically we may be weaker (as an average though I know a few woman who would throw that curve), in terms of pain threshold, I’ve heard things about woman being able to handle higher amounts of pain, child birth being a great example.
Women just whine more.
It is a scientific proven fact that physically(in general) will always be weaker than men. It is in the way their physiology differs from men. HOWEVER, the mental and emotional aspect is a different playing field. My personal opinion is that women tend to be more dominant or have the potential to be so, all dependent upon their upbringing/environment/culture.
Personally, I like to go with the movie 300 where the queen states to that idiot “ambassador”, that real men are raised in Sparta, and only real women can bare real men.
a) My immune system is kickass. I’ve had it compared to the immune system of an Elementary School Teacher.
b) I’m just as stubborn when I’m sick or hurt. I twisted my ankle, wrapped it myself, and the next morning gimped a mile and a half to class and then home.
c) My boyfriend’s immune system sucks, and oh my Gods is he a baby when he gets sick. I take care of him … he takes care of me … it’s part of a relationship.
that’s why men rule the world. ’cause we are more strong and less emo.
learn a thing or two, dumb women!
j/k <3
I dont know much about what God says regarding men and women so I wont comment on the religious aspect of that whole argument. But what I want to add is that everybody has their strengths and weakness, but we need each other to function as a whole. It’s like two halves of a circle in that you need both to create a full circle. I dont even know if that made any sense..
And another thing…behind ever strong man is an equally strong women. After all, Ginger Rogers had to do everything Fred Astaire did but backwards and in heels…
Good post!
@niez_cho - I agree. I know a lot of men think they’re emotionally stronger as well because they don’t have to cry and let out their feelings but this is more a weakness than a strength.
Personally I was hardly ever sick and when I was my girlfriend at the time always took care of me. She worked at an ice cream store and brought me a milk shake when I had my wisdom teeth taken out for instance.
I don’t think women have a higher pain tolerance necessarily, in child birth yes, but you have to think of all the body’s natural hormones that are running through your system along with some women who chose to have drugs as well. Everyone has high pain tolerance when they’re in tremendous pain but when it calls to the small stuff (breaking a nail, getting a paper cut) one gender doesn’t necessarily handle it better than the other (although most guys I know won’t admit breaking a nail hurts, and it does)
I remember we had a poll in one of my classes back in college and one of the questions was “Could you be happy with a spouse who is more intelligent than you?” and I think it was 1 male out of a class of 30 or so (about half males and half females) who said he could, the other 14 (me amongst them) could not.
Don’t be lame and make sexist generalizations like this.
@msbutterfli - Exactly
only physically, i gotta give that. but boy don’t underestimate the strength of the woman mind. and the fact that we have hearts of steel.
My dad is always such a baby when he gets sick. I remember when I was about seven-years-old, my whole family was stricken with a nasty flu virus. Me and my three siblings missed a week of school, and my dad couldn’t bare to get up from bed for three days. My mom, a strong woman, took care of all of us, even though she was equally as sick. I think women are perfectly capable of being as “strong” as men are, but the gender roles society places on men and women makes it more likely that they never reach their full potential.
Dude, my boyfriend stubs his toe or gets a paper cut he can NOT stop whining about it until there is NO more pain. Not just when the pain dulls, but when the pain is GONE. I broke my toe at work last year, didn’t CRY, didn’t go to the hospital, and didn’t miss any work. Same thing for when I sprained my wrist, or broke my finger.
Oh yeah, and not to mention having a D&C after the loss of a baby and still continuing on. Or the death of my cat discovered as I was leaving for work. I was not a minute late. Women=weaker sex? I think not.
@seedsower - You said my point exactly.
@saintvi - AMEN!!!!
No. The fact that women are in fact trained to take on lighter tasks as babes as opposed to males, makes all the difference. If you allowed a female child to do the same exact things as a boy the situation would change. Study other nationalities and you’ll see.
But in the usual scenario, women tend to be the weaker physical sex most of the time, but by nature we have a higher threshold of pain, because a man would crack and ask to be killed if he had to push an 8 1/2 lb baby out of a very small cavity. Also, women tend to be more cunning. If we can’t fight you…we will outsmart you! But I still love being a woman and I love that who is MAN.
it all depends on how one defines strength.
@LucyWrites - I would think that someone who isn’t “afflicted with the malady” of having a monthly period would not be in any position to make any judgments as to whether having them “arent as bad”.
I’ve never had cancer. I’ve never undergone chemotherapy. But through accounts and through observation, I can make a general assessment: “Chemotherapy is more than pretty bad, it’s darn bad.”
Likewise, I’m not a woman. I can’t pinpoint the exact amount of hurt that comes associated with periods and childbirth, but that doesn’t mean I can make a general assessment in a general argument.
Quit downplaying it, or else you’ll have a lot of ladies on here jump right down your throat.
Oh good. I like attention. =)
you meant stronger then men (right?)
No.
Nor do I believe that He created men with the egotistical tendency to believe that they are superior over all. I believe they came up with that on their own.
i don’t think so…i think that verse was written because people see women as weaker. but in some parts of africa and in some of the native american populations of central and south america (where christianity isn’t the traditional religion) women aren’t seen as weaker. i’m sure this is the same in more parts of the world, but those are the ones i know offhand. in some of those cultures they’re considered just as strong if not stronger. but if you believe in god and the bible word for word…then yes- women are weaker than men.
My my my, did you choose to open a can of worms or what!
I think we each have our strenghts and weaknesses. Men tend to be stronger physically, but women tend to be a bit stronger emotionally. Not always, but usually
Yep women are pretty weak
i think that is an old fashioned way of thinking. i also believe the bible was written by humans, not by “God.” if this be the case, then it is humans who imposed such a thought.
i’ll tell you this, though. i know woman who are stronger than men. my bestest friend broke her foot in 7 places – still went to school. still went to work. still competed in her gymnastics meets. never skipped a beat… not cast, no crutches.
my mom is more financially stable and determined than all but one man she ever dated. she has been through more tough times with stalkers and abusive husbands and boyfriends than anyone i know – however she makes 5-10 times what most of those abusive men made… and they’re gone and she’s still living.
on the same note, i know girls who are the classic, whiny, needy people. i have a customer who comes into the store, picks out stuff she thinks her kids could use or would like and puts it on hold so her husband can come in, approve it, and pay for it. she isn’t allowed to buy anything. STRANGE!
@huginn - WHy are we even trying to elevate one person over the other? Isn’t that a largely pointless exercise?
@nimbusthedragon - Agreed! While the topic is perhaps an interesting one for debate, the “broken foot” anecdote stood out as an annoying and irrelevant generalization.
breir rabbit said “please dont toss me into the briar patch” so,,, dont believe everything you read,,, some of its made up.
the facts are,,, women find it more difficult to gain upper body strength,,, and they do break easier,,, so,,, i guess you have to average in all the differences…..
@nimbusthedragon - WHy are we even trying to elevate one person over the other? Isn’t that a largely pointless exercise?
Well, I think it’s important for everyone to realize how right I am.
@mejicojohn - Rabbits are wise.
But, seriously, this question… ahem… I tend to be wary of hasty generalizations.
Some men are awesome to their women when they are ill, some not. Some women are good to their guys when they are sick, and some are cold bitcheroos – yes!
Here’s some anecdotal stuff from my personal crappy experiences:
PCE #1 – One ex-bf made me walk 2 miles when I was puking from a bad period. My current b/f would never do that. And anyone else who tried would get the boot.
PCE #2 – When my current b/f was seemingly dying in the hospital, I fought nurses to let me stay with him in ICU (this is a big deal if you know me – I don’t pick fights with strangers). I catered to him. I also forewent a huge-ass promotion during the time period because I was putting him first and taking a lot of time off from work (another oddity for a congenial workaholic). I do not regret any of this, though, because I think this is how you’re supposed to treat your person.
PCE #3 – After docs cut off my dad’s leg and he finally got to come home, my mother carried him sometimes from bed to chair and back again, eventhough she was in her 70′s and he weighed about 50 pounds more than she. She will be getting one hip replaced early next year and will have to have the other one replaced about a year after that… Yes, no one doubts these issues are in some ways attributable to the caring she gave Dad.
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From what I understand, the conclusive study is the one about our (that is we sweet, dainty ladies’) upper body strength limitations. But we have some odd benefits from the pelvic structure (not that, naughty ones, I mean the ability to carry certain things –oh, never mind). Go carry a chair.
I was hoping that someone would bring up the issue of the penis being a mutant clitoris, but, to date, no dice…
A rabbit-in-waiting I am…
It used to be that women would go back to work the day after having a baby. Look at the Mesoamerican civilizations: the women would grind meal all day (tough, tough!), have a baby, and continue grinding them meal.
But gender equality wants women to have more breaks.
It is fine with me, because women are less emotionally stable and physically weaker.
If you’re talking about as a whole, then yes. Obviously. If you’re talking about specific people, then no.
yea
I just realized this is sexist, JUST NOW.
*unsubscribes*
@OwenHiggins - There shouldn’t be any other comments after this one, ’cause you said it perfectly. [=
@Dare2BDiferentt - You’d never unsub from Dan. you love the attention too much. lol
@impossibleangles - Haha, what attention? From Dan?
That is an interesting thought.
Each gender, each person has their weaknesses and strengths..
@Gerald_Washington - husbands be submissive to your wives? Where is that?
they say when a man passes a kindney stone they have experianced equivilent to child birth and i didnt agree with the comment about women being emotionally stronger
Women are also judgmentally weaker and more vulnerable than men. That is why the serpent went to Eve instead of Adam.
Here’s an excellent sermon on the Creation differences between men and women.
@Gerald_Washington - men being submissive to their wives??? ummm…
“Wives, submit unto your own husbands as is fitting to the Lord.” Colossians 3:18
“Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.” Ephesians 5:22
“Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives, when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear.” 1 Peter 3:1-2
I agree wholeheartedly that men are typically physically weaker than men. But I think the rest of what you said didn’t make a whole lot of sense. I know a lot of guys who act like babies when they get sick, and their wives take care of them. I hear the stories, and the husbands don’t disagree.
I sprained my ankle so badly the doc said I might need surgery, but I was a broke college student with bad insurance, and I didn’t go that route. Instead, I hobbled on crutches for 6 weeks and limped around for a good month after that. My ankle still hurts sometimes, five years later. A guy I was “talking” with at the time kept making remarks that led me to believe he thought I was “faking it.” And I didn’t use the crutches anymore when I probably still needed them because of that.
Now, it’s my fault for listening to him, and I take full repsonsibility for that, but it’s attitudes like the one you have written about here that tick me off. Sucking it up is not always a sign of strength, physical or otherwise. It just shows you’re an idiot for not taking care of yourself.
Personally, I think men are the stronger type of human being. I mean, when it comes to the school prom, you don’t see men fumbling with a tiara or worrying about what their hair looks like when they are being hailed as the RULER of the prom like a woman does, or do you? But that is just the product of my thinking. LOL.
S.C.
its much easier to be a man, enough said.
er im a pagan but i dont thinkthe goddess really put us all on an equal playing field, since were all different. psychiologically speaking, and physically, its requires a great deal of stregnth to give birth. not to dismiss all the strength it takes to be a policeman or firefighter or soldier, for guys. but i dont believe inthe christian desert god.
I believe men and woman are equal.
Do I believe in God?
No, I don’t think so. Physically yeah, we’re smaller but so what? I think that’s all that’s implied. We are not “weak.” When men have babies and monthly cycles, I’ll reconsider the point.
Yes, I think women are weaker.
@huginn - Yeah, I’ve noticed that trend of yours, haha.
In a lot of ways yes, woman are weaker but mess with the ones we love and we will move mountains!
I do NOT believe a man could have a baby and be back to work in a few days. Forget that. Men are perceived as strong so we don’t tend to sympathize with them, but to say they could tough out something like labor….whoa I don’t think so.
Women tend to tough things out a lot better then men…they turn into complete babies when they are sick (injuries don’t count).
And as for weakness. Physically, women are (for the most part) weaker, but I am not sure, when reading that text in context, that it is implying what you are saying it does. Women in biblical times didn’t have a chance if they didn’t have a man, but I don’t think Peter was somehow implying that God intentionally created women weaker. God knows our weakness as different sexes, but never looked at us unequally.
physically they are second place. and im not buying this “women can tolerate pain better” truthfully, i think that men could handle the pain of child birth better than women. its just something that has never been/or could be proven. since it cant, we automatically assume that women are more tolerant.
Gender is mostly about societal roles. When you create a difference beyond biology, then you tend to classify one sex as “better”. By the way, most of the bible reflects the times in which it was written. Society under biblical Jewish society is patriarchal. Take a look at some of the matriarchal Native American societies before you make a conclusion about women based on one observation.
lol we’re such bitches
no.
Well, in some ways the Bible has presented women weaker than men, yes. But if you think about it, the time the Bible was written in, it was a male-dominating society. Nobody really cared about what women thought, women were thought as possessions and property. However, not all women are cold-hearted whenever men are sick. I can re-call the many times my mum had tended to my dad’s several wounds.
Not too sure if God created anything, really…
I think apart from physical strength, it is hard to say with any degree of certainty whether men are stronger than women in other areas. Even when it comes to physical strength, there are exceptions. I believe that apart from things set in creation, a combination of genes, family upbringing, lifestyle, and life experiences determines the strengths and weaknesses of each person.
When my dad got sick quite bad one time, my mum really took good care of him. Apart from being the good cook that she is, she took care of all the cleaning, shopping, etc. My dad is physically stronger than my mum, but I think my mum has a better immune system and greater endurance than my dad.
For myself, I am stronger than my wife, but she is also able to do many tasks and though she gets tired (who doesn’t), she can still get the jobs done, so I think that doesn’t make her weak. She also has more empathy than I do. So I think these experiences support my view.
Thanks for posing such an interesting question.
@Gingerpunch - Thank you. ^_^
I’m glad that someone else can see scripture as a reflection of the time in which it was written.
wemon are weaker, and less emotionally stable, but men are blinded by anger, and wemon by revenge, so in the end, we all die anyway
I think women are weaker than men. But I don’t think that verse is talking specifically about just physical traits. Women are generally seen as weaker because of our emotions. I think that in this verse Peter is telling the 1st century Christians (which is who that letter is written to) that the men need to make sure that they appreciate their wives and take care of them. The last part is key, “So that nothing will hinder your prayers”.
An angry woman is definitely a hinderance. And if you are trying to do the work of the Lord and you aren’t taking care of your wife, be prepared for her to call you out on it. I think God really wants men to not just be powerful, dominating creatures and realize that women have specific needs different from that of a male.
societies whole view on women is the way it is because of these biological processes being seen as a weakness… so if men had to go through the same thing.. they’d be the “weaker” sex.. and hence wud stay maybe not just 6 weeks but 2 months at home while the woman would work…
& since Woman have better work ethics than men do… they wud work twice as hard… for still LESS pay…
weak PSHH… it takes a strong a** m*****f***** to work so hard for the same position as a man & still get paid less as happens today…
mmm I love the controversial material you bring up… Problem is these days men are sissies… the hardcore men like our father’s had a different work ethic all together… They didnt miss work… Sick, or not… broken or not… If men of that strength and determination had to deal with popping out kids they would be back to work the next day… That isn’t the case today… Other then the physical strength men innately have, we are pretty much unisex… Women can do just about anything a man can do… So once men remember to let their balls drop then maybe this will hold true…
are you kidding me? women give birth to children. They are REQUIRED to feel IMMENSE pain just to continue the life of the species. My guess is natural genetic adaptation has made women stronger than men. Except in societies with very high military usage. I’m pretty sure getting two limbs blown off and shot (or stabbed) in the side hurts just a little more.
I have been watching Unbreakable here in the UK, it has been a fascinating example of that verse… I think anyway.
Even though 2 women started in the pack none remain. These were fit women, capable and not in any way weak (well not like me anyway lol).
It has been quite an interesting thing to see how up against the men, ‘physically’ they just don’t cut it.
I just think women and men are built differently, for different things.
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no.
Women are just as strong as they want to be.
And men are just as weak as they want to be.
I have seen some men that are extreme babies.
And wemon that can take extreme limits when it comes to pain.
It all depends on how physically, emtionally, and phycologically strong you are.
This blog was very subjective. Get more facts next time, mister.
i’m just going to say that i’ve asked many of my guy friends how they’d feel if they got periods or had babies.
most popular answers?
“I’d cry”
“I’d kill myself”
“…oh my god…”
I think theres different kinds of strength and in some ways men are stronger but in others women are stronger.
Besides all that, you’ve seen those female body builders right? I’m sure one of them could outlift any guy.
its a matter of opinion. there is no stronger or weaker sex, it depends on the person
Yes, generally speaking, men ARE stronger than women; that’s just biology. And in many other ways that count tpowards survival, again generally speaking, men ARE stronger and tougher than women.
Women do have their strengths and are sometimes stronger than men, but the exceptions prove the rule. Use yer noggins, ladies.
I’m a woman, BTW!
No. God created us equal. But since women have to do more chores (they are worse too) than men, does that make us superior to men? I think it does.
Being in the military I’ve experience both woman who are weaker then men and women who are stronger then men. Calling women the “weaker sex” is like saying all african americans can play basketball. It’s a stupid and silly blanket statement.
Of course the bible says such things, but we must keep in mind that during the time the bible was written, a woman’s role in the world was small. Have children, cook, care for your husband, care for your children, and that was basically it. Now, women run huge buisnesses, serve in the military, and have even shown their streangth in combat!
The statement is out dated.
Yes, women are inferior to men… according to the bible. READ the bible sometime, it doesn’t have a lot of credibility.
Seen that study where they were describing sympathies from men and women when it came to their significant other getting a cold?
Men were sympathetic ones and would even take off work to cater to their SO, however, women were empathetic for about, oh, 5 minutes.
So much for that women are the caring ones, BS.
We’re cold and heartless.
Just like you men who, if you could, would have babies and go on back to work the next day.
when you put it that way…
guys are pretty tough.
but being tough isn’t always the best thing. you need time to rest, and heal.
women aren’t stronger, but we are smarter.
;P
What a whopping load of codswallop! When women are sick, not only does no one take care of them, but they (if they have kids) have to get up and take care of the kids, who insist on being fed and supervised. There is no sick leave for mothers.
A man would go back to the office the day after giving birth because his WIFE would be taking care of the baby.
thats funny, when my boyfriend or dad gets sick from the same cold I have, they stay in bed for a week while I keep going to work.
I think most men are babies when they get sick, in all honesty.
but anyway, getting to your question, yes I do believe God made us physically weaker in general, but He has also given us many other gifts. He also gave men the job to protect us, take care of us, and be willing to lay down their lives for us, because we are physically weaker.
as far as handling pain, I think men probably do have a higher tolerance for pain. Women are just more sensitive and receptive than men. It’s been proven that when women are on their periods they are also more sensitive to pain. And yes, if men had to have the babies I think there would be a lot less babies in the world and a lot less sex too. They just don’t have that motherly instinct in them. But this is why God made it the job for women to have babies.
This is a really good question. It doesn’t make any sense why men should be stronger than women. If you look at lions, it’s the females who hunt and protect the cubs; I don’t know what the males do other then fight and reproduce. My high school psych. teacher said that a study showed that women have a higher pain tolerance then men, because women need that tolerance to give birth. But I just googled an article saying the opposite, so I have no idea now.
I really don’t know. If God purposely made men stronger, then for what reason?
Hmm. Men are physically stronger and i think they are meant to protect women in this way. But, I think women are mentally stronger- that is they can handle emotional hardship better than men can. According to statistics, even men commit suicide more often than women do, and in more lethal ways (pills vs. guns). Somewhere in history a group of men thought that they were dominant to women, and to prove it, they showed physical strength. Women became oppressed, but we have been handling it for centuries. yes, childbirth and pms are just more crap to deal with, but they are miniscule things compared to the big picture.
Uhm, I agree that women were created weaker than men. And uhm, for the record, I’m a girl. My profile picture is a photo of my boyfriend.
I don’t think that we are weaker sympathetically at all. I don’t know about other women, but if my future husband or boyfriend got sick, I would definitely take care of him. I think the reason women in the study are different is because people nowadays believe that if a woman waits on a man, it is a sexist relationship and makes the woman appear weak. In a healthy relationship that was not being watched or studied by other people, i believe the women would have taken care of the men quite well. Also, from my personal experience, women fall in love much harder for men and feel much stronger emotional bonds with men. It is true that we are more emotional. That is one of our strengths.
That’s a crock of bs.
You can’t make broad generalizations of genders based on your observations of some people that you know
“I remember when my dad broke his foot in three places. He never missed a day of work. He just kept going. You just don’t tend to see a woman respond the same way. ”
Why can’t we just respect your dad as a strong individual, rather than a strong male? That’s a personality trait that has NOTHING to do with him being male. I know tons of wimpy ass men who bitch about everything. Your mental strength doesn’t vary based on your gender: it is what it is because of your personal experiences.
“the only difference between any man or woman is what they learned along the way.” -OwenHiggins
Thank YOU, this is true.
And i’ll end by saying that this is a very valid point;
When men can bleed for 12 weeks out of every year and not die, I’ll concede the point.
_saintvi
“If it was men having those babies, I guarantee there would not be six weeks off after the baby.”
I don’t think women take six weeks off just because they are so weak from giving birth…..
i believe in equality! =)
let us all live in love, care and harmony!
Wow, you really struck a nerve here with women, not surprising at all.
No argument: men have more strength. Simple biology and matter of testosterone differences between the sexes.
As for tolerance of pain, I still can’t say for sure. You have women giving birth, which seems to be very painful, but at the same time, you’ve got some guys that undergo lots of pain as well — getting mugged, getting arm-barred, umm… it’s hard to list examples that technically a woman couldn’t experience as well, but I don’t buy pregnancy as an ultimate show of strength.
Socially, weakness is hardly tolerated for men. “Boys don’t cry” “man up” “don’t be a pussy” are just examples of things men have to deal with socially. A weak/uncourageous man is socially devalued. So women, if you feel you are strong, go ahead and argue your point. However, there is no need to insult men along the way, as you will never understand social pressures put on us. Many of us look invulnerable on the outside, but shake with nervousness inside.
Physically weaker yes, but have you tried matching wills with one?
Men would be straight back to work after childbirth, would they? Now exactly how do you intend to go about proving that?
Considering that the first few posts were by women mentioning their period and child birth, I wonder what do you mean by strength? How are the strong defined?
Is a man who can bench press double his own weight strong? Or how about the 90 year-old great-grandmother who limps to open the door for her great-grandchildren?
Is it the girl who gets tortured in school but still goes every day to learn what she must? Is it the man who starved his way to freedom?
I do not believe one can answer that question. For in each of us is strength and weakness. It is not defined by our sex or who created us. It is defined in who we are and how we live. To live is to be strong.
Why focus on who is weaker and just realize that both sexes are entitled to different strengths?
in the context of faith, yes women are weaker than men. however, on the whole, God gives us all our individual weaknesses and strengths, so that both once married are co-dependant on each other in times of need. it doesnt necessarily mean we, women are totally weak that we cant help ourselves. neither it is for men. we have our own gifts from God. =)
MEN are the ones that screwed up the world. Want some proof? Who said men are stronger in ANY way. These right wing thugs hide behind three things and if you don’t know what they are, DO YOUR HOMEWORK. I’m a VN vet and I know!!
everyone is unique, it’s unfair to generalize.
I think that the Bible simply means take care of them when they are weak (physically), but not necessarily emotionally.
Many people (esp. men) have taken this out of context.
You should totally read “Captivating: Unveiling the mystery of a woman’s soul” by John & Stasi Eldredge. I dont think God made us to be weaker, as women we are very special and adored creatures of God. The book explains it.
Hmm, I begin with this little gem from the Romans: “When you attack the Celt’s home, and he defends it, fight as best you may; when he calls for his wife - run.”
Do you think they knew something?
I take it you are quoting from the King James version of the Bible, which was a translation into common English of the time (1611) from the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. I am certain we can agree that things are always lost in translation; therefore, the term “weaker partner” is open to interpretation.
It is irrefutable that men and women are made differently . . . created differently, if you will.
I quote: “Testosterone appears to reduce sensibility to pain, whereas estrogen actually increases pain sensitivity,” says Professor Hartmut Goebel, director of the Pain Clinic in Kiel, Germany.
Also: “When women feel pain, their brains don’t respond the same as men’s do, says psychologist Karen Berkley of Florida State University. Because women are brought up to be more nurturing than men, Berkley says, they’re more likely to regard pain as a call to action. In other words, she says, women tend to think, “OK, it hurts. Now, let’s go do something about it.”
I concede that, for the most part, men tend to be physically stronger than women. However, just as the term “love” has many meanings (such as Agape), so does “strength.” (We could really debate the etymology and semantics of this one.)
Was not a woman (Mary Magdeline) the first witness to the resurrection of Christ? Why? Would the apostles (men) not have believed? Does that make her stronger than a man?
There are many examples of very strong women in the Bible (read about the strength of Ruth).
So, do I believe God made men stronger than women? No. I believe they have complimentary strengths to make up for each other’s weaknesses.
I leave with this: Throughout history, many societies have been matriarchal, because it was felt that a man’s time was better spent hunting, gathering, and protecting the tribe/village.
Why would God create anyone to be inferior to another? God doesn’t want anyone to be that miserable. The only reason women tend to be physically smaller than men is because for centuries, they’ve been told they are weaker. Evolution took care of the rest.
Okay I’ve been reading these responses and they’re basically crap.
Women TEND to be one way, and men TEND to be another way, but to suppose all women are weaker, feminine, smarter, dumber, more caring, less caring is stupid. Some women are and some are not. If 60% of women are caring and 50% of men are caring, you can’t use that to suppose that an individual man or woman is this or isn’t that. PEOPLE ARE INDIVIDUALS, AND MUST BE EVALUATED AS SUCH. To evaluate men and women as groups is by definition sexist regardless of how you do it or what your conclusions are, unless you are describing tendencies rather than supposedly universal qualities.
to me what men have over women is more pride. pride is where they get their strength from. when they feel they cannot show pain in any area. or cry when he is hurt. women on the other hand are more open and do not care to hide it. but i mean have any of you REALLY got to know a man. a man that is your husband or soon to be? if you get in his comfort zone, you come to realize men are bigger ‘bitches’ than women. thinking they are dying whenever they are sick lol. when they are hurt , the world is over. LOL…it has nothing to do with periods and child birth. but the woman is the root of the family, and holds it all together. so maybe she may not have physical strength, but emotional? definetly!!! but like i said, its their pride that their strength comes from.
Maybe each sex was made weaker so that they would need each other which is why a real marriage takes a man and a woman….
what spew
Seeing as the bible was written by man and not God I’d consider the source. Imagine if the same book was written by a group of chauvinists (sp) and also by a group of feminists
I can’t believe you’d ask such a stupid question. Obviously just to get site hits. I guess it worked
huh?
The weakness thing us a ruse. Bottom line is that for every “powerful” man, there’s a woman behind the scenes pulling the strings. Men may be physically stronger, but women call the shots. We’re the worker bees, and they’re the Ruling Queens.
men are little girls when it comes to strength. true, they do stupid stuff like kick each other in their man business, which i understand is probably very painful, and they do things that end with them breaking their legs and various limbs and all, but honestly, women give birth, have periods [which means LOTS of cramping, emotional pain, etc.], raise children, and they don’t complain. . .much. and i think true strength lies in the tolerance for pain, which men don’t have.
Women are so much weaker than men. I just call them woms because they don’t deserve to have men in their name. They should cook, clean, bear children and do wom stuff and let men to man stuff. Men are stronger physically, smarter, and less batshit-insane. Also woms are more manipulative and evil. They don’t care about men’s feelings etc.
j/k by the way
I am female, and I hope you’re being sarcastic. I broke my foot and I was doing the things I normally did the very next day. Heck, I even walked all the way across campus to my school nurse.
I think on average, men have more physical strength than women, but that does not mean they have more pain tolerance or are emotionally stronger. To whoever it was that said women were less emotionally stable: Just because women are more likely to show their emotions doesn’t mean they aren’t as emotionally strong.
I remember reading an article that said men tended to be more tolerant of sudden, sharp pain, whereas women tended to be more tolerant of long lasting pain.
Actually, with the anatomy of a man, I would think that having a baby through THAT would hurt infinitely more, and it would take more than 6 weeks to heal, if it healed at all. Just saying…
no….people are of a variety…there are weak people of both sexes. if ur weak ur weak…whether ur a man or a woman.
weak people suck….=P
@EccentricSiren - i think pain tolerance, like many things, can be built upon hehe
;oP
A broken foot is a bit different from having your vagina torn because you’re pushing out a watermelon sized flesh thing. You also don’t get post-natal depression from having a broken foot. Or leak from your breasts. Or you know, have a torn vagina. And popped out anuses. Or the risk of having your stomach cut open.
Kudos to your dad for working on a broken foot (although, I haven’t seen a lot of men do this either so you can’t really say it’s a woman thing not to) but it really is a whole other thing when you’re talking about monthly bleeds and PREGNANCY. Because pregnancy isn’t just giving birth, it has a whole lot more stuff to it than just that.
So uh, whatever God. I think it’s man who made up the responsibility to see to women. We have a responsibility to look after each other, regardless of gender or physical build.
Dude. You sooo would not be going back to work the next day.
Trust me.
My husband told me that I blew his mind when our daughter was born.
He told me that he had completely underestimated what a badass I was.
The most touching thing he has ever said to me.
And I love that man with all my being…but he is a whiny bitch when he doesn’t feel good.
It is just the truth.
I am rather appalled that this question is even being contemplated at this point. Obviously, with each different individual therein lies certain strengths and weaknesses. To generalize based on sex, race, etc. is absolutely inconclusive; moreover, I would hope that we transcended this manifestation of ignorance a while ago. Yet if not, I will say this. One’s sex is never indicative of one’s abilities; each individual has a different and unique set of capabilities and ineptitudes, those of which are not deterministic from gender or other stereotypical, fallacious assumptions.
I think it’s all cased based. I think we can all agree men are generally stronger than men. But, the pain tolerance varies. For example, I hurt myself fairly often and never stop. Women I know are amazed that I’m still moving even. But then I know a couple guys who fall down and whine at the smallest little thing. Some women I know take everything in stride, some stop and break because they got a small cut on their leg. I don’t think gender has much to do with it.
pfft, I have more balls than most guys I know.
I think that men were made stronger then women, I like it that way. But when my boyfriend is sick he never tells me he tries to be a man about it, he says that he dosen’t want to complain, but I want to be able to take care of him. I want to make him soup and make sure he gets lots of sleep.
@LucyWrites - Quit downplaying it, or else you’ll have a lot of ladies on here jump right down your throat.
Ah, you prove that men are stronger by avoiding such arbitrary arguments. Most of the woman here have said that they are stronger than man, and even though they are wrong, most of the men have ignored it and let them believe what they want.
@huginn - I have realized how right you have been in today’s exercise. lol.
Actually, if a male had the anatomy necessary to bear children, then he’d be… a she. 0_0 And, if I’m correct, the glands producing hormones (testoterone/estrogen) are located there, too. So it would be exactly the same person, except maybe the mentality… but that would never have developed if the original “male” had the female reproductive system, because the one with testoterone was more essential to survival (i.e., hunting, fighting, etc.). So that’s just throwing you into a loop there, old buddy. ;]
Honestly, oppression of those with estrogen is kind of inevitable, because primitive times require brute force, and, with evolution, deeper thinking becomes needed instead. :]
@werd_homies - Haha. Woms. How silly. Reminds me of cute, fuzzily wombats. ;]
Few people have ever entertained the idea that “weaker”, in general reference to this topic of women being the weaker sex MEANS that women are to treated like you would a precious jewel. Diamonds are one of the (if not THE) hardest rocks out there. Yet we treat such gems with great care. Why? Because they are so valuable.
Women should be treated with the same great care and more. They are priceless. It’s not that they’re weak/incapable. True, they have strengths we don’t. But to compare each of us is a little misguided given we can never fully say that, for example, men woudn’t handle childbirth as well. We just can’t KNOW because men can’t give birth. But things we can see – emotions, physical strength – do tend to show that men and women each handle the same matters differently or are “better suited” than the other.
What we REALLY need to do is make sure we understand the context and the intended meanings behind Paul’s words in 1 Peter (that Dan referenced). Also remember that because of the differences between languages, such meanings might accidentally get lost or misunderstood by the reader. (That’s why we have many different translations among other reasons: it’s to better get the true message of the Word from the orginal language.) If we read such verses at a surface level, then there WILL be a lot of women offended. There’s far more to it than meets the eye.
Men tend to be far more agressive, too. So what Paul is saying is that we men need to be VERY careful how we treat our ladies and the women around us in general. While we can do fine being agresive with other men, the women oft require a more gentle approach. (This is NOT saying that women can’t be more physically agressive and still be naturally feminine. Please don’t misunderstand my meaning. I’m talking about ATTITUDE towards women…love and respect and appreciation towards women for who God created them to be.)
There’s so much more to it, but I hope that makes sense for people.
@WishIwasCultured - In general, to admit that we’re weak/sick/incapable is like failure. It’s like taking a stab to the core of who we are. Sometimes it IS a pride issue. Other times it’s because we know deep in our hearts that we need to be able to brave any obstacle in order to do what God created us to do: love and protect our wives. That’s just a general cover-explanation, but I hope it sheds light on why your man does that. It’s NOT that we don’t appreciate your love and concern. (Although, sadly, there are men who truly don’t give a crap…)
Ouch. I strongy disagree.
I’m sorry, but it all depends on the person. Each person handles any given physical/emotional (etc) situation differently. I do not think it’s fair to just generalize one sex as something (i.e weak) and another as something else (i.e stronger). Everything depends on the individual and their mindset. One’s gender has nothing to do with it.
And if you could please read Genesis 1:26-31…”God saw all that he had made, and indeed it was very good.” Please note that it says “very good.” This weakness and strength business really should not matter. Bottom line is that God created everything GOOD. Thus, equal in His eyes.
Kudos for posting this though. I’m glad you are expressing your opinion (seriously)
=)
more proof that the bible is sexist, racist, and has some very backwards ideas that people should not be listening to in this century.
are you kidding me?
there are too many people in this world to make generalizations like this.
i’m too pissed off from the healthkicker page to even fight this one.
this is another reason on my list why i am an atheist.
@AmazinGuy - that was the cutest thing i ever read. i never thought of it that way. i guess you picked the right username!
@JTHJTHJTH - Nooo, just proof that people do NOT understand the CONTEXT of what the Bible is saying. Remember that we’re reading a TRANSLATION. So the word-for-word translations can sometimes come with a loss of intended meaning…something translators work HARD to avoid. But if God was sexist, then there would not have been women judges (Old Testiment) or military leaders (also Old Testiment) or such a high focus on Mary (Jesus’ birth mother) or a book dedicated to the righteousness of a Gentile woman (the book of Ruth)…and many more. Check out my previous comment mentioned just behind yours on the page where your comment appears.
@hopeisnotlosttt - Thank you.
I’m glad it shed new light for you. So much of the Bible is misunderstood because we take our OWN perspectives (which can be right or wrong but cannot be used to judge an object authoritatively. We have to look into what the object in question is, itself) and interpret the Bible a certain way. We don’t stop to analyze what the Bible is actually saying. So I understand why a lot of women take offense to these verses. But so much of the Bible actually PRAISES women in ways that few people actually realize. God holds women as very priceless. In a spiritual sense, we are the Church, Jesus’ bride. Jesus died for us. …so when you read the verses found in Ephesians 5 regading how husbands and wives are to treat each other, it starts to become clearer just how God views women. It’s a beautiful thing. And women are DEFINITELY beautiful. Worthy to be cherrished and held with the utmost regard and love and care. …I just do not envy you the gift of being able to bear children. LOL
men will survive if they run into a tiger. women will survive if there’s a plague.
I like this post a lot, at the very least for bringing up the topic, but also reading the comments was nice.
I don’t know even if “physcally stronger” isn’t subjective. Can women usually bench more weight than men? well no I don’t think so. But does that in and of itself mean physically stronger? Not necessarily. The example of pain tolerance is a good one, because what exactly causes pain tolerance? well there are a number of arguments for genetics and hormones and emotional responses. Which begs the question, which hormones (I’ve read a lot of reports saying estrogen actually), genetics, or emotional responses and does that count towards being physically stronger? Heck, does having pain tolerance at all count towards being physically stronger? and ect. with other examples.
I’m not even sure this verse necessarily defines women as weaker. I think that it’s possible to interpret it as… something like “if you wife is weaker in a respect (for example she needs the husband for physical protection) then she should be taken care of” and… I don’t know it could be just a reminder about wedding vows.
basically marriage is a codependency I feel. and I think that all this verse means is “remember to respect each other. weakness doesn’t mean worth less” Not “all wives are weak, so respect that” more “if it is the case that…” The danger of saying “well men are stronger” is that it creates an opportunity for discrimination. and I don’t feel that the Bible in any way promotes discrimination.
Dan… silly, misinformed Dan… Shove a watermelon up your butt and get back to me. Imagine it going the other direction and get back to me. Once you’ve done this, you’re qualified to ask more questions.
Meanwhile, let’s take into consideration the ERA in which the Bible was written and the many persons who interpreted the Bible. If we look at a more traditional Hebrew translation I’m sure that the word “weak” and the word “female” or “wife” are in some contexts closely related. Perhaps the actual transcription of the Bible was merely making mention that a husband ought to treat his wife with respect out of love and devotion. Remember when King James reinterpreted the Bible upon his own whim and fancy, several things were changed and are open to suggestion that perhaps he ascribed some of his own values there as well.
Are women weaker than men? Are we talking physically, psychologically or emotionally? Which man are we talking about? You can’t really generalize like that as I’m sure you have your breaking points just like any other human on this big blue marble. Assuming you ARE an Earthling…
lol i’m pretty certain the bible’s talking about certain kinds of weaknesses. girls don’t have as much muscle as men so men have a duty to protect their wives physically. women generally tend to be more stronger emotionally (at least in terms of sensitivity). it’s a really vague thing to say that the bible teaches that men are stronger than women because there’s stories of women (ruth, esther, etc) that give off a vibe very different from “weakness”…
Womean are obviously physically weaker on the whole; To do with fat muscle body ratio or something. Try getting one to lift a hunderdweight bag of cement onto their shoudler (abut 112 libs). . That said, there is no merit in any way in physical strength. An example comes to mind that in the SAS the Speical Air Service of the Biritsh military, it is well known that bigger men have more trouble passing the course to enter their ranks than smaller men. Why? Because the course is very hard indeed for the toughest of men. Big men to some extent , have sailed through life, not being bullied or challenged and being able to cope with strength requiring tasks. Smaller me have to fight all their lives and the ones who are toughened up enough to try the course, for them this is just another of life’s challenges. The SAS tend to be relatively small very tough men. It is inner fortitude that conveys merit. In that way, women are as tough as men. We all have to face the challenges that life throws against us and all of us have it stacked up against us in differing ways. I’ve come across, so to speak, many many women who are dainty, flirty and very feminine but who are very tough inside and yet not cynical or bitter. Now that’s worthy of merit.
That said ladies, my finger hurts and I need a cuddle.
Wow. I just read the comments on the first page before this bad boy hit featured. What must he rest look like?!?
Can of worms? Successfully opened!
I will second saintvi.
have you met a female rapist?
The question really should be “Did evolution make women weaker than men” Create. pfffft. Never heard of it. The bible, like all other religous texts would have women shameful of themselves, of their bodies, and esp of that frightening one way birth known as the vagina. It is the one area that human males still both desire, yet fear it’s power. So to compensate, we tell women how much weaker they are with the hopes of deluding them. Any woman believing any of this drivle does so only at her own loss of freedom and self respect. Sadly, women seem as happy to enjoy these sad and self-disrespecting delusions known as dogmatic religious.
Men and women’s bodies are built differently, duh! My ex was a wuss and called in sick from work at the first sign of the flu or cold (even though he never really turned out to be sick), yet I worked irregardless of illness–even when I had a kidney infection so bad I could hardly walk (I was a waitress at the time). Women are excluded from being in certain units in the Army–yet my great aunt, who worked her entire life on a farm, was probably tougher than any infantry man I’ve ever met!
I believe that physical strength varies from person to person as does mental fortitude. Being sick isn’t a sign of weakness–it means you haven’t been opening your windows up and recycling the air in your home!
Your post is of an incredibly poor standard.
And extremely disappointing, if this is what you really believe you sound like a naive and ignorant person.
Your next blog should be about dragons in the bible.
do i have a bigger penis then the dragon in the bible???
i mean you already demonstrated how poor your interpretation of the bible is.
Stop trying to dress up your real feelings with religion. Just because
you used religion to admit you are sexist white male doesn’t make it any
more of a credible idea.
Ohoho, that’s a funny little post. How about I punch u in the solar plexus, kick u in the privates, shove a cantaloupe* up ur anus and then kick ur privates again repeatedly for about 4 hours or so and then see if you’ll be able to walk the next day??
*Cantaloupes are about the equal size of an average newborn
**Kicking you in the privates will only give you a general idea of how painful it is as is the anus thing.
Good Lord…literally.
I’m going to struggle not to be cliche and preach about periods, babies, and heeled shoes. I’ll probably fail and end up talking about it anyway. Please forgive in advance. I think that God created the man and woman differently when it comes to strength. No duh, right? Yeah….hear me out.
I can’t say that men aren’t expressive. I won’t say that a man cannot feel or say “Hey, I’m sad…hold me.” It’s more that some (not all) men, seem to have a problem with being expressive in a way that would make them seem a bit more feminine or “weak”. Men have their so-called defenses so that they look and appear fine. Behind closed doors, I’ve come to find that even the most well put together men are as soft as rice pudding. I’ve actually had my father–A 55 year old retired engineer who has seen it all and has the gray hairs to prove it–actually feel like a bad person because he didn’t understand the reasonings of our neighbor and her dying dog. He went above and beyond the call of duty to try and save him, but sadly the dog died. As days passed, that seemed to be all he ever talked about. It bothered him a great deal as if a piece of an emotional puzzle were missing.
It seems to me that women are stronger than men emotionally. We pick up on things much faster and show a lot more empathy. When someone hurts us, we want to know why. We cannot understand it and really need the closure. That doesn’t make us weak at all. There is a lot of strength to be gathered in emotional knowledge. On top of that, I have seen plenty of women with more than one set of ailments get up and do what they needed to. Only in super severe cases when a body was not able would said women have to sit down and breathe. A silly broken toe is nothing. When you’ve got three growing kids and sarcoidosis eating at you daily, you give me a call. A family friend of ours went through that. No one fought harder than her to make things happen for herself and her kids. She never asked for help at all and God bless her soul, she made sure everyone and everything had a place until she could do no more.
I have a grandmother who is a fine example. Death took its toll on our family starting in 1989 with my mother. Come 1992, both her mother and her husband of forty five years passed away months apart from the other. She had a house full of people to contend with. Bills had to be paid and there was work to be done chore-wise. Though she was heartbroken beyond words, she ran our house like a well oiled machine. There was no hair out of place on her head and her stride was as powerful as ever. Currently at 83 she is STILL the rock of our family with a vice grip that would kill a bear.
It makes me incredibly mad when people want to use The Bible as the basis of saying a woman is weak. We are different. We are here for different reasons. And not to bash The Bible, God, or the authors who have come together to write God’s word, but, you cannot possibly drive me to believe that this Book was not in some way altered or written in the tone of a chauvinistic set. Again, that is simply how I feel.
We can’t base the power of men nor women on single verses alone. There are plenty more where equality amongst both sets of genders is openly stated. Have we forgotten those? God made Adam first but he placed the responsibility of housing and producing life on Eve. And yes, her actions caused us pain in birthing, BUT…it is not only a lesson learned. As her descendants, we women have been given the blessing of providing more humans to Earth. So then how are we weak? Because of what we may not be able to do beyond having children? A woman can do anything a man can do–sometimes better. Oftentimes we find men who are quite threatened by this and feel the need to talk down to us or teach us a lesson. However, the only “men” who can share our one strength are seahorses. So unless one single man stands up and offers his genitals to be the first to experience the miracle of life (no c-sections!) I really don’t think it’s the best thing in this world to sit here and ask if women are weaker than men.
God created women and men to be different individuals. It doesn’t mean one is weaker than the other. It doesn’t mean that any of us are superheroes. Our bodies differ from person to person. Where one being may be able to do it all while they are sick, another may have to sit down or lay down. The word weakness is a poison to me. Weakness…ick.
I do not think it is “weaker” in the sense of strength per se. I think you should read from KJV :
Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving
honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs
together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
I believe that we are made “weaker” but we also compliment the strengths of a man.
Sin had entered the world and women are constantly proving that we are stronger… but if God decreed so, why do we fight what God has decreed?
It is written SO THAT husbands will have genuine and loving care for their wives as they are the weaker of the 2, to honour her, to treat her well, etc…
How would you treat someone who is weaker, let’s say a weaker child compared to others in school? or an ailing family member? Weak – can be in all sense of being, emotional, spiritual, mentally… well, THAT is the way we should treat our wives.
It depends on the couple and the culture/ group that they are in. My last bf and I were in the army. He had an office job while I worked on a line (not down range) unit. He whined constantly about how females shouldn’t be in the army. It was so annoying, especially since I could out run him at the time. I think you guys get your pride hurt sometimes. You also seem to be enforces that work in hierarchies that I don’t in certain fields, not brain surgeory though.
The Bible seems more annoyed with women than anything else. I wonder what the Bible would look like if more of its writers had been female instead of spoken for…
Also, it’s almost guaranteed that I’ll try to kill myself every period. What does this mean? That I’m a suicidal female for a day. Do all females react this way? I don’t notice my buddies trying to off themselves every month, just hostile. Yet there I am, every month some new and interesting form of attempted self harm… Were I smart, I would just mark it on the calender and not leave the house for a day, but I’m me, so…
I think we all have our strengths and weaknesses. I do tend to get kinda “pissy” at my hubby when he is sick. It’s not that I’m trying to be mean. I just think somewhere inside, I expect him to always be strong, and seeing him in any weakened state is scary. Too many bible verses are taken out of context, and thus “offend”. I believe every word, and every word is what must be taken in to be able to “rightly devide the word of truth”.
I would have to agree that men are the showmuscle……..but women are the core……..you men owe your life to the female species….without us…….you wouldn’t even be here.
We are seriously underrated……though, alas, we have less muscle-mass.
Good gosh, this post seriously ticked some people off.
I can only speak from my experiences, and after being a single one income mom for 10 years, going through some financial hardships, car accidents, cancer, and many other things that has happened in my life, I can truly say that I know that there are many things I have and can handle but honestly I would have welcomed a man around to handle all this. Maybe God was just saying that the man’s role is protection and providing for the family while the woman is the one who (in her strenght) feeds the soul through encouragement, love and kindness.
Consider this: Assuming you believe in the trinity, there is only one Holy Spirt. At the day of salvation a person has that spirt dwelling inside them. My Holy Spirit is not going to lead me in a different way than your Holy Spirit is going to lead you because God is the same now, yesterday and forever. So yes, physically men are stronger. But What gives the believer strength is the Spirit of God and we are equal on that. Because the power in you (a male) and I (a female) is the same power that raised Christ from the dead or created the Heavens and the Earth. That power never changes. However, in the same breath, God commanded men to be the spiritual leader in a relationship. So obviously God saw stronger leadership qualities in man than he did woman.
Well, check out what the KJV says – the implication of that verse is much different. It says “…giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together in the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.” It doesn’t say the wife is weaker. It commands the husband to give her honour as unto the weaker vessel, or in other words, as he would unto a weaker vessel. If you have a really fragile vase, you honour it by being careful with it. Just because I’m careful with something doesn’t make it fragile, does it? I’m careful with my stainless steel pots too, but they probably wouldn’t break even if I dropped them out the window. This is the difference I’m trying to point out. Also notice that this is talking about husbands and wives, not men and women. If God meant that women are weaker than men, that’s what he would have said. Now there’s no denying that women are typically physically weaker than men, but that wouldn’t take a God-given commandment to figure out. It’s obvious. But the way you’re extrappolating this is incorrect. Read the real deal and don’t make it mean more than it does.
The Bible was written by men. You can’t take anything it says as truth, because it’s really just stories. Sorry if I offend, but cut and dry that’s what the Bible is.
Men and women are different. It’s not that one gender is stronger than the other, though many people have that misconception. Men might be able to gain the most muscle. But, women bear children. A woman’s body supports two while a man’s supports one, himself.
Everyone is different.
Every person, whether male or female, is different.
You can’t judge a gender as a whole.
I don’t think God created women weaker then men. Simply, we switch off on different things, that’s all. There somethings that each gender is capable of doing that the other one can’t.
Well of course! Except for some exceptions, I think most people have to admit that men are stronger than women physically. But women take care of men emotionally. ^^
It’s silly to say someone is weaker or stronger just because they are a man or a woman. There are weaker men and weaker women. There are stronger men and stronger women. A lot of people take the verses of the Bible out of context and out of the context of the times it was written. Was the Bible inspired by God? Yes. Was the Bible written by God? No. It was written by a lot of different human beings with their own strengths, weaknesses, and biases. Also, there is much disagreement on many of the translations for the original languages.
It’s insane to pull one verse out of all the Biblical books as “proof” of the nature of men and women (as if men and women only had one nature each) when life experience shows all sorts of exceptions to this “rule”.
We really need to get away from assuming someone is a certain way just because s/he is a man or a woman (or because we think the Bible says so) and start treating each other as the unique, beautiful people that we are with our own unique strengths and weaknesses.
I normally never post on these things but this time I will.
Women may be pysically weaker, but we are mentally stronger then most men.
Yes, God created women weaker than men. No offense intended, but it seems like people automatically chalk it up to physical strength. I don’t believe this is all there is to it, even though women are definitely weaker than men physically! It doesn’t matter that a man doesn’t give birth or have a monthly cycle. That’s just silly. God’s punishment on women was to have pain in childbirth because of woman’s sin.
Anyway – women are weaker in that the woman was the one who was deceived in the garden. Yes, Adam sinned, but the serpent deceived Eve. (1 Timothy 2:14)
Women are created totally different than men. How many men come home crying after a bad day at work compared to women? And please don’t say that men are seen as weak or wimps if they do. This is not so in many cases. There are many women who love their husbands and emotions are not a sign of weakness. But that said, women get their feelings hurt, get their feathers ruffled, and get more trouble started with their mouths than men ever thought about! Men just don’t do that kind of stuff!
Women are definitely the weaker sex – in sooo many different ways! You don’t have to agree – but it doesn’t make it any less true. The Bible says it – and the Bible is not a book that will ever become outdated!
Still, we are never to point fingers and blame or tell God He is wrong in what He says or how He created us. He created us – not the other way around! Instead of worrying about who is weaker than the other, we should rejoice that God loves all of us and we are all equal when it comes to our salvation in Jesus Christ.
hmm…Well I do believe so,but not in the manner of being LESS sympathetic.Personally,in my family the women are the most sympathetic and when the men are sick they act like the world is going to end.They whine if they have a stuffy nose.My mom and I keep going.
On the otherhand,there’s my dad and my grandpa on my mom’s side,who kept working despite physical pain and illness whenever they could.
So yeah…depends on the person I think.Sex has nothing to do with it.I think what that passage means is that women are more FRAGILE than men.More sensitive;easily hurt.Generally speaking of course..So treat them with care,be tactful and gentle- because their emotions are sometimes insanely overwhelming,even though the cause may seem small and petty.
Atleast that’s what I think..but whatever.
I think it depends on the individual. Some men are weaklings… some women are bodybuilders…
Even so, in general a woman would like to be loved and treasured, and a man loves to be respected. My husband is fighting a cold right now… and he is fighting allergies 12 months out of the year… in that respect I’m a lot stronger than him. Even so, he likes to take care of me even if he knows I have strengths he doesn’t have.
Good for your dad that he was able to hobble off to work the next day, but I know guys who will complain about a splinter that was taken out a month ago. All people are different, and you can cannot make assumptions off of one person. Sorry, but wasn’t your dad being strong, he should have taken time off to let himself heal, he could have caused more injury to himself. You may want to bend over backwards to prove men are stronger, but all you’ve done is prove that you personally are stupider than the average person. Maternity leave is less for the mother and more for the baby because no matter what the sex, babies are weaker than both men and women and need someone to take care of them. A woman cannot just leave a new born alone by itself just to go to work, and it’s not like the man she’s with is going to want to stay home to take care of his child. Most day cares don’t accept babies under 1 year old, and if they do, that’s probably not a day care you want to leave your child at anyway. I don’t know why it matters which sex is “weaker” or not because what women do or not do isn’t going to change because of your opinion.
In an anthropological point of view, it is only because we live in a mainly Patriarchal society, when men created the notion of property– through domestication and agriculture, it is when women started to lose power in nomadic society, where they gathered most of the food resources.
So, at some point in history, we were egalitarian, until men got greedy.
I think there are aspects where women may be “weaker” than men, but that the opposite is equally as true. But I also think with these changing times there are new aspects that have to be taken into consideration. While I consider the Bible to be a great book, I also consider it to be a guideline rather than taken verbatim, especially today. The one church I attended preached that a woman’s place is in the home with very little hope of being anything beyond a teacher, a nurse, or a wife/mother. We don’t live in that kind of world today–where a woman can be a Firefighter, a Prime Minister, or even the President!
@saintvi - You’re on.
If females were the weaker sex, God would have given males pregnancies, periods, and made them all gay so that they have to deal with men in relationships
okay j/k about the very last one.kind of.
physically weaker in certain cases yes. but if you think you can withstand the wrenching pain that sometimes hospitalizes some women during their period no matter how strong they are.and when you pop out a baby, you let me know. when your hips dialate so that a whole human head can come out of a little hole, YOU can go talk to the other 50 percent of the populace. men were not designed with child birth in mind CLEARLY or otherwise YOU’D be teh ones taking the 6 weeks offa work. and different people react to pain differently. just cuz one idiot broke his foot in three places and kept going to work doesn’t mean the world is like that.
God may have made women ph ysically weaker than men, but he made women to withstand childbirth pains. so if you’d like your urethra expanding so that a head may come out of it, feel free.
I don’t believe God created the sexes to be as different from each other as we like to think. I think he created PEOPLE to be different from each other.
Yes, there are GENERAL gender differences that apply ON AVERAGE. But there will always be people who fall outside the “norms”, and God made them, too. Men who are more sensitive or women who are tougher aren’t doing anything wrong. They are just being different. And I highly doubt he’s going to condemn them just for being different from society’s norms. To say that God created all men a certain way or that he created all women a certain way is an insult to those who are different, and to the God who made them the way they are.
I think it’s time we started looking at individuals rather than stereotypes.
I don’t know….
In some ways yes, and in some ways no.
But, I do like the way I am treated as a female, so I don’t really have much complaints.
Dan, you’re an idiot. Your writing sucks and all you ever do is post about touchy subjects that will get lots of comments. I’ve disliked your xanga for quite some time, though have not previously let myself be some hater commenter, but this entry offends me. Grow up.
@chiltons99 - totally agree, and thanks for going into the Bible for the answer to another issue in the Bible. Very simple but we forget sometimes.
@Capricorn_Syndrome - i liked your answer too
How is anyone to say whom is stonger or weaker when the other has not lived-out the existence of the other sex?
I do believe that women are stronger than man physically. They have to go through all this pain, multiple times (pregnancy included). They handle things that a lot of men would crumble under at having to deal with it as an adult. Like abuse, many different discriminations like these, periods, and pregnancy (you have to remember that). I can’t even lie to ya bra; you sound a little shovenistic to me.
Could the passage mean “politicly weaker”? The wording in bibles are often encoded and decoded to have multiple meanings. (or so it seems)
I think before you give quotes from the bible, you should read more of the bible. You said:
“One of the Bible verses that sticks out in my mind is I Peter 3:7:
“Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives,
and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you
of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.”
It saids in Genesis, God created men and women to be
equals. Its just that its told for men to treat women as if they are the weaker partner, not men to treat women like that because they are weaker partner.
but nice post.
biologically speaking, men and women serve different roles so their physical attributes are different. Its not a matter of being weaker or stronger, without either one, the race wouldn’t survive.
theologically speaking: Are you saying God chose to raise one of his creations over another? That God is in fact a racist pig? No, because he’s perfect and actually knows what he’s doing. So… the racist pig must be you.
When I pick up a Bible and read the first page… THIS is the Holy Bible. This is the word of God, do not add too or take away from His word. Pretty much tells me to lose the interpretations, assumptions and inuendos and take it for just as it is stated as fact and truth.
For some reason people want to immediately begin twisting and complicating whatever they are reading into something that doesn’t exist.
Maybe the Bible wasn’t meant to be read by most humans as they cannot understand simple logic or apply common sense. Which by the way is still FREE… maybe THAT is why we don’t use it… What value or worth could something have that is FREE?
All I know is that The Bible has been the world’s number ONE best seller for over 2,000 years and NOBODY has been able to top THAT!
@idk49 - Praise the Lord – the Bible is the only place where real truth is found – especially when taken in the context of which it was written!
Thanks for reading!
@CallMeQuell - This is not a ‘dig’. I think I see where your going but I’m just having trouble finding the end meaning of it all:
“Refusing to heal, to show emotion, to be open, nurturing, and caring is as weak as becoming weakened by an illness, if not more.”
For the sake of logic; the diametrical opposite: To fully accept healing, to be completely devoid of emotion, to be closed, neglectful, and heartless is as strong as being strengthened by unassailable health, if not more? If here, it is argued that inherent in these opposites are weaknesses too, then what are we to hold at all about strength in esse? A weakness presupposes that there is a strength, conversely, a strength presupposes that there is a weakness–up presupposes down and the other way around.
If this is where you would interject, “Beyond that, perceptions of “weakness” and “strength” are somewhat faulty in our society,” would you please amplify your comment then?
um, i disagree w/ the whole, “men would be back to work the next day” thing. I mean, honestly, if a man had to carry a child in his stomach (or other?) for fckn 9 months, I’m pretty sure he would take at least 2-3 weeks off work after. First of all, men aren’t so unfeeling that we wouldn’t want to spend some time w/ the little one after the child’s just popped out of who knows where. however, i do agree w/ you that women don’t seem to tend for men when the men are sick. i think part of it is a man’s pride. I mean, if a man just literally let his wife take care of him w/o acting all egotistic, I’m sure a woman would just as soon take care of her man as a man would for his woman.
Then again, this is the opinion of a bisexual.
Women were not made to be”weaker” than men, but strong in a different way. We were made to be a counterpart to men, so our weakness’s and strong areas compliment each other. It was man himself that wrecked that plan.
way to get e-props and use the Bible in a post at the same time.
i won’t bother w/ a response regarding the content.
kudos.
please try to consider how long ago the bible was written. also, please TRY not to make assumptions and lump all women into a huge pile. this whole blog is ridiculous.
Hm. I always went back to work the day after having a baby. I’ve never taken a day off when I was sick. Oh, wait, I forgot, taking care of kids and the house isn’t work. Hee hee.
Seriously, the reason men don’t take time off work when they’re sick is that they’d rather die than be stuck at home with the kids all day. Pansies.
I believe God uses our relationships as symbols for His relationship with us. What many Christians have done is taken scriptures about men and women and used them as a mandate for men ruling over women, throwing the obvious aside.
If we look at our relationship with Christ, it is more than an issue of lordship, or sovereignty, or submission. It is the beauty of submitting to Christ, but also the empowerment of women through “submitting one to another”. Instead of looking at it as a class system, as God ordaining men to be rulers over their wives, the importance is on the interweaving of covering with the reality of “Christ in us, the hope of glory”.
It has been the abuse of this issue that has led women to rebel against the skewed vision of these scriptures. Covenant is a beautiful dance, where we enjoy God’s covering while walking in our own giftings.
I believe the reference to women being the weaker vessel is a symbolic one mostly, in that we are weaker than Christ. The humble approach of the originator of this blog is a testament to the reality that if we just stop competing, if we lay down our own misconceptions of rulership and submission, we can accomplish great things in Christ Jesus.
Here in lies the delight of God’s creative ballet: the Pharisees muttered, “Who can forgive sin but God?” And yet we all have the power of forgiveness. I am not implying that we are God, only that His divine nature is within all of us. It is Christ housed within our mortal vessels. If we actually believed He wants us to experience His magnificence, what could we accomplish in this world? Marriage is a picture of God’s desire for us in this existence we call “life”.
This post is rediculous. Most other people have summarized my thoughts already.
This post is ridiculous! You’re making a judgment about all women being weak based on your dad? You must have a very limited interaction with people to see them all fitting into generalized boxes. Also, don’t ever presume anything about something you will never experience, such as child birth.
Are you kidding me? If the men were having babies,they would be taking off for about 6 months! Plus,they would only have one child cause that is all they could handle.I think that men are stronger when it comes to muscles but nothing else.Women are also multi-taskers and men aren’t.So the muscles are the only thing they might be stronger.
Yes, I believe women are physically weaker in most cases. However in other aspects, I believe women are stronger. My parents divorced when I was 6 years old. I grew up with my mom. My father initially moved back to where his family was, 300 miles away, while my mom stayed to take care of my sister and me where we had grown up. She got herself a job while being a mom and taking care of us. As I grew up, she made sacrifices and did all that was necessary for my sister and I to have a good life, while my dad spent the next few years trying to get back at her for wanting a divorce.
My mom got into excercising and absolutely loved how she felt after running. She became a body builder and competed once. About a year ago, she broke her ankle running. She got help out to her car and drove herself to the hospial. Two days later she had me drive her to the gym so she could at least lift weights.
Meanwhile, my dad got remarried so he could have a wife to take care of him.
So, in my experience, I have always been surrounded by much stronger women than men. So, no, women are not weaker.
That’s interesting. All the guys I know take three days off for a head cold. The women are the ones who keep going with broken bones, illnesses, burn out, etc.
I’ve actually never seen a guy deal with pain with the same resolve…unless of course there is an ego boost to it.
Child birth, and menstrual cycles are incredibly painful. Some women are so stricken, they vomit, double over, experience anemia, severe debilitating migraines, etc…for a week each month. BUT, they have to keep going…so all the whining guys complain about…just the tip of the iceberg for the pain the women are going through.
Also, the strongest person on the planet (strength to size ratio) is actually woman body builder. She’s tiny too!
No, I don’t think women are weaker. I don’t go to the other extreme to consider them superior either.
There isn’t supposed to be a contest between man and woman. God created us to complement each other…we each have our strengths and weaknesses…we’re supposed to be there for each other sacrificially. In Genesis, the word used to describe woman (helper) is the same word only used for God in the Scriptures…when the Israelites were in deep doodoo and needed a “savior” or “lifesaver”. That doesn’t make women superior. Just like God commanding men to love their wives and care for them, as if they were the weaker vessel…doesn’t make men superior.
There are cultural contexts to work within, also. Christ elevated women in a very male dominated and ungodly culture.
men r stronger yea but without women where would all the love be .not saying guys cant love but who shows their emotions better most of the time. women.God made men and women for eachother to complete eachother most men r not complete without a woman at their side and visa-versa.soooo in the end it doesnt matter. its not like when u are standing before Gods throne and God asks u what u have done for him ur going to say well i am stronger than a woman.
I think the bible is a load of shit anyway. “God” is just a sexist myth. It’s a book to “put women in their place”. Of all the men I know… their better halves (wives) are stronger in every sense except maybe physical strength, and that’s not neccessarily true in a couple of those..
@seedsower -
This is so true. At my school I work with the Athletic Trainer and the female athletes have soo much more pain tolerance that the male athletes. Football players are the biggest complainers and babies ever.
@Gerald_Washington - I understand what you’re saying, but I have to disagree with your statement that the curse made women dependent on men.
The curse was that women would want independence or control, but men would rule over them. It’s the fact that they were capable and would desire to control their husbands, but the opposite would happen.
Women were created as “helper”…which in the original text, that word is only used elsewhere in the Bible to describe God saving the Israelites from their demises…whatever the circumstance may have been…so God created women to be lifesavers…but never one superior to the other.
God did indeed create us equal under Him. When we remove God’s sovereignty is when we have to start fighting each other…sadly.
@AyJo - I see what you’re saying. Unfortunately, those of us who are supposed to be following after God, mess up, and give the wrong idea about God.
God isn’t sexist…God created men and women equal…people just messed up His original plan. As a Christian woman, I struggled for years with this idea of male superiority…but God never intended that. People perverted God’s plan for the sexes.
God wants men to love women sacrificially…that doesn’t happen for the most part. He also wants women to love men that way…doesn’t happen either.
God gave women the same description of “helper” when He first created man and woman, as He gave Himself. Our english language is just weak and limited…lowering the word to mean companion…like a dog or something, but the original translation means “savior” or “lifesaver”. That’s pretty esteemed and awesome.
I guess, I’m just trying to say that I’m sorry that Christians have given you that impression of God…and made you feel like a lesser person. God doesn’t feel that way about you. He flipping adores you.
@chiltons99 - Your second timothy reference…I can see why you get that idea…but if Adam wasn’t slacking in the garden, and was doing his job (unfortunately, the church never talks about how work is the curse for man, who has a weakness with laziness…), he was with Eve, and didn’t love her enough to protect her. He was standing there while she was being deceived…meaning he either cared so little for this “lifesaver” (translated meaning of helper in Genesis…a word ONLY used in the Bible for woman in Genesis and God saving the Israelites…) God had given him, or was deceived as well.
Unfortunately, the Church has caused so much damage and perverted God’s intentions for man and woman to love each other by raising these questions of superiority, rather than esteeming God’s creation together.
If you want to take Scripture out of context, let’s play devil’s advocate and say that since God created the world and all in it in a sequence of grandeur and importance…than woman was created as the crowning achievement of His creation. Not man. (No, I don’t believe that…I believe He created us different but equal…I’m just making a point out taking Scripture to back up a human idea, rather than to glorify God…which is what the church consistently does.)
Women were created weaker (physically) then men to be their helper. we are equal but different.
I don’t think those 6 weeks are because “women are weak”. it’s to get settled in with a new human being that can’t take care of themselves and actually spend time with your new born….
so, by saying that “If it was men having those babies, I guarantee there would not be six
weeks off after the baby. Men would be back to work the next day.” is saying that men wouldn’t want to spend time with their new born?
oh, yeah try having a baby coming out of your hole.
@nikedefeated - I did not take the text out of context – I wrote it just as it was. The Bible says what it says…and we are not to read more into it – such as you were doing when you spoke of Adam not protecting Eve. Where in the Bible does it say Adam was slacking in the garden, not doing his job? (Watch out as you are getting quite close to being the pot calling the kettle black!)
As for men being cursed with work – true some men have problems with laziness – but women have real problems doing what God has commanded they do also. Men have a God-given burden and responsibility to be the provider for their families. Women do not.
If you will recall…my last statement was that we should rejoice in the fact that God created us equal in our salvation and that we should not worry about who is the weaker sex. Instead, it seems you are more interested in raising a debate about things you don’t agree with.
And no, I am not interested in playing Devil’s Advocate, and definitely do not play with intentionally taking Scripture out of context. I gave Scripture just as it was written to show where in the Bible it said that Eve was the one who was deceived.
You say the church doesn’t glorify God – but I don’t see that you were trying to really glorify Him in your reply, rather talking of how perverted His church is and all that is wrong with it. (With no Scripture to back it up!) I don’t mean to be unkind or harsh…just a little tired of the “pot” comments out there, and people who think every post is a public invitation for a debate! Thanks for reading.
The reason the Bible says that men are stronger is that men have more physical strength. At the time the Bible was written, the primary way to make money or feed your family was through hard, physical labor, which men were better equipped for. There was not effective birth control, so a woman’s life was one of almost constant childbearing, at which time she simply could not contribute. You try toiling the fields with a big, pregnant belly. So at the time, that actually did make sense. Guess what? Times have changed. Women can earn just as much as men these days. Most work takes place in air conditioned or heated buildings, in offices, schools and doctor’s offices, things like that. Women can work even when pregnant. Some people do hard, physical labor, but the best paying jobs don’t generally involve that. The best paying jobs are for people who can contribute to running a corporation, or who contribute to society through means of intellect. In this area, women are the equals of men.
As for your story about your father breaking his foot in three places…I can top that one. I had a staph infection in my sinuses that threatened to spread to my brain. I only missed one day of Calculus based Physics because I was in the hospital. I was vomiting every day and had to endure three surgeries, yet I finished the semester with a 3.50 GPA on a 4.00 scale. You don’t see women pushing themselves? Ha! There goes your theory.
@saintvi - :Lol seriously.
Please people, if your debating as to what this verse says about strength differences between men and women, or pain tolerances ect, then please stop. If you were talking about this in front of the author he would be very confused because the Greek word he uses here has nothing whatsoever to do with such things. To be honest I am not really sure why it is translated as “weaker” at this point, but one of the definitions of this Greek word is “to make”, and many definitions similar. It most likely has something to do with the fact that the child comes from the woman. But again it as absolutely nothing to do with strength or ability to tolerate pain. Feel free to check out this Greek word and its meanings and uses throughout the bible: http://biblestudytools.net/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=4160&version=nas
Hope that clears some stuff up for you guys, and I’m surprised the author of this blog wasn’t more informed about the context. Maybe just trying to start a fight?
I don’t believe He had a hand in it, evolution did. Why would God concern himself in BMI’s and muscle mass?
Besides, you haven’t defined “weaker”.
If it was men having those babies, I guarantee there would not be six
weeks off after the baby. Men would be back to work the next day.
You’re fuckin’ kidding me with this.
Normally, I pass by this kind of drivel..but you, Dan….I expect far better of..
The best rendering of that particular verse, 1 Peter 3:37 is :
“Likewise, husbands, dwell with them (wives), according to knowledge, as unto the weaker vessel, and as heir together of the grace of life; that your prayers might not be hindered.
“Likewise”: EVERYTHING that went before verse 7 applies EQUALLY to the husband as to the wife.
Peter was urging Christian wives to recognize their husband’s headship. He encourages them to do so even if their husbands are unbelievers. In such circumstances, Christian wives weren’t to give in to the fear that their unbelieving husbands will abuse his headship. Unspoken here is the confidence and faith Christian woman have that the Lord knows how to protect her as his own daughter.
“According to knowledge”: you’ve been given a brain, dimwit, use it. Peter urges Christian husbands to let not be sinful and abuse this headship and responsibilities the husband is entrusted with.
Peter urges Christian husbands to be considerate as they live with their wives.
Then comes the phrase which lists one reason a Christian husband shows such consideration. “as unto the weaker VESSEL”: every high school biology student knows that there are few differences in the male and female body, reproductively speaking, some issues of size, women tend to carry more bodyfat, have less facial and body hair, etc which are all hormonal issues relating back to the reproductive differences.
Men, in general, have greater upper body strength, but women, in general, have greater endurance…once again, this could be considered part of the reproductive differences…women tend to be more tenderhearted, but genetically, we are each created to tend to different needs in the reproductive cycle of life. Men must be harder, firmer to provide for the life man and women create, women must be more enduring and longsuffereing to nurture that life from inception through the teenage years. Husbands are there when it is time for the offspring to leave the “nest” to suppor the woman at that time of loss for her, which also may correspond with an end to her “reproductive years” as well.
It it would seem the weaker vessel means the women’s physical and emotional makeup, and it
doesn’t mean “weaker” in a derogatory manner as some attempt to spin
that.
It’s about the vessel. My husband, a minister in the churches of Christ, likens the weaker vessel to the difference between a china tea cup and a clay coffee mug….both will hold the liquid, but you want to take different care with the two…and one is more beautiful, more delicate while the other is all about function. Not unlike men and women…men are the machine, an incredibly functional being, women are refined, more delicate and beautiful in appearance, a combination of art and function but both can get the job done, whatever the job may be.
The verse goes onto list a second reason for this treatment: men and woman are CO-HEIRS to God’s grace. This was a really huge issue culturally since at that time men tended to treat women as property, and in reality, that is still the case in many countries and it hasn’t been too long ago here in the US that it was the case. That being said, since women are equal in being heirs to God, then she should be treated with loving consideration.
And a final reason for this preferential treatment: The verse states if men ignore this that their prayers will be hindered. Good reason to NOT abuse headship. If the husband neglects this consideration, he doesn’t only damage his relationship with his wife. He damages his relationship with God! If a man lives as an inconsiderate head towards his wife, is he not then, by default asking his OWN Head to treat him in the same way?
That should be enough to send Christian husbands to the cross to confess any lack of consideration. Only at the cross is there grace and the power to treat wives as the co-heirs of grace they truly are.
Don’t get stuck on the “weaker” part, instead look to the beauty of all of us, male and female, as Christians, being “heirs together” of God’s gracious gift of eternal life.
i thought we took off an extra 6 weeks to care for the newborn- i.e breastfeeding blah blah blah. most women i know who’ve had children are out and about the minute they get out of the hospital. they’re in pain, you can tell, but they’re certainly not complaining about it.
that verse is from a completely different culture, and basically amounts to “hey, take care of your property so that you can get all the value out of it you can.” i will agree that everyone expects men to be tougher, which is horribly sad, but that doesn’t make it logical to conclude that women are weak. we’re just not expected to be as strong, so hell, why would we try? except that i do, and so do others who regret the way we’ve all been conditioned to lack respect for each other.
I’m with the other person who found this question offensive. Seriously, what century is this?
In my opinion, I think it depends on the man and the woman. My grandfathers had a high tolerance of pain, my dad…(God Bless him) not so much. My mom is stronger than my dad, not physically, but emotionally and she can tolerate great amounts of pain. Now my grandmothers they couldn’t tolerate as much pain, but when it came to emotional concerns, they were the rocks in the family.
No.
@Dare2BDiferentt - From the traffic from this site, too. [=
Men and women are biologically the same except for reproductive organs, the reason men feel the need to stick it out and be tough is because of society not God. People are socialized to act in accordance with their gender. There are females that are physically stronger than men and men who are more sensitive ( or less emotionally stable as one comment stated) than women. People all have different personalities that are created through their life experiences, maybe God influenced their life experiences but He did not make a “weaker” sex. And I happen to know women who have gone back to work right after having a baby so that is irrelevant. You can’t generalize because ALL men are not the same and ALL women are not either. As for that study… It doesn’t tell you the methods, or the statistical tests that were used OR if the results were statistically significant. The study could also be biased, you can’t take popular media reports of study’s as fact. You have to find the original study and analyze it to see how valid it truly is. Popular media can be very misleading.
For me to express how furious I am at you for posting this, and for me to express how embarrassed I am that you share my gender, would be redundant with dozens of other commenters.
People like you are a major reason why I’m an atheist.
I think it’s very hard strength wise for a woman to match a man.
But we do have a lot of will power.
I sprained my ankle to the point of it almost being broken after my legs were run over by a car and I was doing my paper route the next morning.
To each, his/her own…
Not necessarily weaker, but I do agree that the sexes are defiantly created different.
Yes. In terms of pain tolerance, that is mostly a matter of psychology. Alot of modern males are whiners when they get sick or injured, but that is because they are mental pu$$ies.
As for mental or emotional toughness, idk, but western culture emphasises toughness in men, while expecting women to be tender. How much is nature vs. how much is nurture is debatable.
the beginning of patriarchy
@EmblemSuru - Forgive me, I believe my poor English caused me to be misunderstood. To refuse healing; i.e., to go to work and etc. without bothering with a broken ankle is weakness; then, further, to refuse to show emotion, or to be open, nurturing, and caring (as is the wont, it appears of the more masculine types…that is, “manly men”, the archetype) is, as I’ve said, a weakness, just as succumbing to a weakness, an entirely human thing, is weak.
Maybe more, as I said, because it’s a choice.
i say we are both equally messed up
All I have to say as while your father broke his foot and went straight back to work, I’ve met men (or boys, rather) who would work that up for all it was worth and miss the next year of work because of “complications”. I also have met women who have broken bones and gone right back to what they were doing.
You may say the majority of men and women act along the lines that you wrote, but I say the majority of boys I’ve met are exactly the opposite while most of the girls work twice as hard so that way they never fall under the stereotype, many end up hurting themselves in the process (not that they would ever say it). Stereotypes such as these make it so men don’t have to work as hard but still feel superior and women have to work harder and if they show weakness they are just being a “girl”.
Then again, contrary to my point, I am totally a stereotype. Can’t do anything to my car (and I’m a bad driver), I’m scared of spiders and I can’t open most jars by myself. But I never take a painkiller for those “monthly pains”….I’m just saying that everyone is different and that’s why it’s bad to stereotype.
i think in immense part of it is the role that men ahv ebeen trained to believeis correct: men bring home the bacon, they’r tough and don’t cry and don’t feel pain. women are babied since birth, and are trained to KNOW that they can get away with it. Traditionally, men take care of women. That’s just how it’s always been.
The toughness of a person isn’t determined by genetics, it’s by environment and culture.
Women ARE NOT inherently physically weaker than men. When trying to stay healthy, they tend to focus less on stuff like weight lifting and thus, in practically, end up being physically weaker. Just look at tennis players: women were kept out of sports for decades, and yet players like the Williams sisters still give men a run for their money.
I don’t know what your experiences are that you can say “you just don’t see women respond in that way,” but when I am sick or my mother is sick, we suck it up and go to work and school. All the guys I know whine and complain about being sick and have their mothers/girlfriends take care of them. Also, maybe in developed countries women take a few weeks off after giving birth, but in many places and for many women, this is not the case. Women in Asia who work on farms or in rice paddies go back to work a few days after giving birth. There are countless stories of slaves in the United States who went right back to work after having a child. I’m not saying that it’s a good thing, I’m just saying that taking time off is a choice, not a result of the physical limitations of the female body.
Also, considering that men have a lower tolerance for pain than women do, I seriously doubt a man would wordlessly come into work and do his job when he feels like someone is constantly punching him in the lower stomach for a week every month. Most men are not the rugged, brave individuals of romance novels and action flicks. They are just as suspect to pain and sickness as women.
Personally, I think that if the bible says men should take care of their wives because they are weaker, that is still no indication that God made women physically weaker than men. Given the context and time when that verse was written, women held practically no legal rights and were subject to the domination of men. An argument could be made that by “weaker” it was meant that they had to depend on men to protect them in society, which is obviously not the case now.
I think this is all bullshit….we are Human Beings and People FIRST…we are our other defining attributes second…think about life in those terms, and this is really a non issue.
There are men that try too hard to look good. But I really like it when everyone tries to have a great appearance.
Who is weak? Those that insult and try to demean others. The whole subject should be the strong should protect the weak and still respect the weak when they help them out.
All those who are sick need to be nursed back to health. All those who are in pain should have someone to share their burdens. All those who have weaknesses should have someone help them when they are weak.
Who is strong? God is the strongest and the devil is only second best…If we humans think we are in the same category as God, we have another thought coming, that we should humbly accept our strengths and weaknesses.
let me get this straight…you propose that a man could have a baby and then go back to work the next day? wow. i highly doubt there is a man around who could squeeze an object the size of a small watermelon out of a bodily orfice the size of a halfdollar and not B-I-T-C-H n’MOAN about it for at least a week.
I actually prefer them that way
Your comments are SO disgustingly presumptuous, I don’t even know why I’m acknowledging their existence.
The joke is on all of you. There is no God.
He’s not referring to physical strength at all. Throughout the Bible men are clearly called to be the leaders in marriage- to guide their families in the ways that they should go. Men are called to treat their wives as a treasure (Proverbs 18:22), to serve their wives just as wives are called to submit to their husbands. But really the role of men in marriage is best understood by understanding Christ’s love for the church. Ephesians 5:21-33 explains it.
I bet if you cross-referenced your ideas and dug in a little bit more to the word, people wouldn’t get so pissed off at your generalizations.
everyone has their strengths and weaknesses
@mini_mayfield - whose comments are you commenting on?
Please. Haven’t you ever heard other men go on about how manipulative women can be?
Concede my point or I will use my mental wiles to make you! -hissss-
if they can, be pregnant, endure a week-long mestruation and suffer the perils of chores by the rut routine, why not??
I dunno if GOD did so… I’d hate to think he’s a sexist prig… (Sigh) That aside, women ARE physically weaker than men and DAMN IT, they also have more brain cells than women (yes, it’s been proven scientifically, although I’ll in no way vouch for how much of those cells they actually do use) .
It would be fair to say that men are stronger than women in some respects, but women are stronger than men in others. When you balance the strengths and weaknesses of each sex they come out to be equal…
this is so silly it’s laughable except people believe it.I broke my lower left leg and had to have a 7 inch long,2 inch wide metal plate but in that is held in place by six large screws that were hammered,not drilled into the bone. I never took the pain pills that were prescribed to me. I was up the morning after my surgery dressed and ready to go home,yep the doctor let me go. I couldn’t walk on my foot even with the boot on so I was confined to a wheelchair for three months. Crutches were not a option because I had cracked my shoulder eight months earlier.Yep im clumsy. I never laid in be and bitched. I was out and about taking pictures and working on my farm.Don’t ever call me the weaker sex.
I’m pretty kind to my boyfriend when he’s sick. I don’t percieve him as weaker, more of like a wounded lion.
I think that your statement is mostly true, but your argument was flawed. Your dad sounds like a really amazing, tough, determined, guy. But just because he’s exceptional doesn’t mean that *all* men are as brave as your father. Some wouldn’t be strong enough to go to work after breaking their bones.
Just because some women would use an injury as an excuse to complain, and lounge around the house, doesn’t mean that all women would react the same way. I’ve witnessed women tough out cancer, chemo therapy, broken bones, sickness, child birth. Despite what physical pain they were in, or despite their lack of physical strength, still cleaned the house, still made the dinner, watched the kids. I’m sure I’m not the only one who has witnessed women overcoming amazing odds, and bravely bear amazing amounts of pain.
Still, I applaud you for your willingness to discuss a topic that most people of modern society avoid. I appreciate your views, your post, and for the most part I agree with you. =)
My thoughts, as it has been mentioned many times before women are generally less physically strong then men. A weaker gender though? Not so much. The two are just different and, to repeat someone else, it comes down to a case by case basis. I am going to have to say that women can’t handle their periods for shit. I knew when any of my gf’s were bleeding because of their emotional instability. Mainly by picking stupid fights and being super emo about trivial things. The birthing process, I’m going to merely state that there is multiple hormones being released, some of which are pain killers.
“The physical formation of woman is far more complicated than that of man, as it must be for the function of childbearing, and likewise the intelligence of woman matures more quickly than the intelligence of man.” – The Haggadah (Judaism)
women have more endurance than men. they have quicker reflexes. they live longer. they may think quicker in some respects. and the life expectancy of women is greater than that of men in virtually any society.
it’s only silly social expectations and roles that tend to reinforce the view of women as being weak. whenever someone reinforces those stereotypes, they stifle any sense of self in the woman, relegating her to a semisubmissive state to a male’s typical monkey behavior.
the concept of feminine ‘weakness’ is a distortion of the true reason for handling them with care. in biological terms, they carry the future. males can’t give birth (although medical advances may make that possible one day).
the potential for creating and caring for the future of the race is something that is worth helping and protecting, but it is not a sign of weakness; it’s a further conifrmation of strength.
there are pluses and minuses to either sex. they are complementary, never opposed and never unequal.
but for myself, from what i’ve seen over the years, it’s the males who are ‘the weaker sex’.
Men should bleed every month, bear children, clean, cook, take care of children, go to work, take care of their women, feel bloated, have cramps, worry about what they wear, worry about their appearance, walk the streets at night afraid of what might happen to them, wear skirts and teeter on heels, be overcome with emotions, cry themselves to sleep, realize that half the insults in the world are to degrade them, have women abuse and rape them, break a nail, realize women are looking at their body parts and not their face when they are talking, and have hot flashes.
When this and more happens, then you have a right to judge a women’s weakness or pain.
I agree that there is some difference between women’s and men’s bodies, women generally have weaker arm or upper body strength, but that doesn’t stop women from weight training too. I can tell you that men are stubborn and they generally act like children when they’re sick. They always need a motherly figure around them to be helped or feel better. Men also are more prone to act out when angry. Women may cry, but the majority of us are less likely to storm out, punch something, or manage to kill ourselves when things don’t go right. Hence, women tend to be psychologically stronger. Don’t get me wrong though, there are a lot of wonderful men out there, but let’s face it, without our strength, where would you gentlemen be? =)
Just don’t go into childbirth and the monthly cycle, it’s a touchy subject, and unless you’ve magically turned female to prove your point right, don’t try to assume that women have it easy, ok?
how can you guarantee that if men deliver babies they would be back to work the next day?you’ve never tried it! – and i think that 6 week off is partly for the benefit of the baby. i also don’t think men are presented as soft if they are sick, it just means they are also human. and i plus plus don’t think it’s true that women don’t care for their sick husbands as men do for their wives — i dunno where you got all these crazy ideas— (women could be weaker physically but it does not mean they get lesser rights)
“When men can bleed for 12 weeks out of every year and not die, I’ll concede the point.” -first comment on the page.
Men have no idea what that’s like and shrug it off like it’s nothing.
You could also argue Nature vs. Nuture. I think its just the way you nuture your child.
@seedsower - Please say this to one of the men in Iraq who has been shot and continued fighting, they’re in the news enough…
@ILovePOOTPOOT - I for one don’t have this issue, as I have yet to meet anyone outside my family that I had any desire to know any better than a friend, and don’t honestly plan to unless God points someone out to me, and he’d better make it blaringly obvious.
@haloed - The assumption that men are less emotionally stable in general offends me. I know plenty of males that have been through things that would have torn half the females I know emotionally apart.
@CallMeQuell - Depends, is smarter a synonym for arrogance?
@OwenHiggins - Bingo. Any person, male or female, can be as strong as they want, (within certain physical limits, of course) so long as they have the will to give whatever effort is required.
For those of you who say men have no tolerance for emotional pain, my mother died about three years ago. I was 14 at the time, and never missed a day of school. My grades stayed the same, and don’t you dare say it’s because I didn’t really love her. For those of you who say that men have no tolerance for pain, I have been through back surgery, during which the doctors used metal screws to hold my spine in place. Those screws are still in my back, and I only missed one week of school.
To be completely honest, there are some women that are stronger than some men, and there are some men that are stronger than some women. Anyone who claims that either sex is stronger, with no exceptions, is both ignorant, and foolish.
To those that say that acting as though you feel no pain is more a weakness than a strength, I both agree and disagree. If continuing work (or school, or whatever) will cause you more trouble later (as in the fractured foot example), then don’t. However, when it comes to things like my back, I may have been in pain half the day, but it was declared by the doctors to be safe, so I got over it, and got back to work. Even with my mom, who died on a friday, I talked about it saturday and sunday, and with the exception of the burrial/service day, I didn’t miss a day of school. While it was definately hard, I knew at the time it wouldn’t cause me any more pain later, and would, in fact, save me the pain of having to double up on school at the same time later.
To the writer I have this to say, welll done. While I don’t completely agree with what you wrote, it was provacative, and an interesting read.
My appologies for any spelling errors in the above comment, for some reason my spellcheck won’t work. If someone wishes to discuss this with me further please e-mail me (timmysassone@yahoo.com) or contact me through my Xanga, as I may not check back here again.
Timothy
The reason most of us gals lack sympathy towards men when they’re sick is because when we get the exact same cold we’re still up and about, going to work, looking after the kids, and the guys seem to expect to lie on the sofa and be waited on hand and foot. If men gave birth, they’d fall down dead at the sight of the first ultrasound.
@anth0nyc - I’m referring to Theologian’s original statements about feminine weakness, nobody else’s.
Continuing to work with a foot broken in three places, tough maybe. Stupid, defiantly. I have broken my foot before. It didn’t hurt much so I just thought I’d just bruised it and kept walking around on it. I went to the hospital when it still didn’t get better weeks later. They took an x ray and then immediately told me to get off my foot and put me in a full lower leg cast. Apparently breaks in the bones of the feet can heal badly and lead to horrible pain and problems in later life. Hmm.
No way in hell would a man be back to work the next day after child birth. I almost thought you were joking when you said that! Look up child birth, watch some videos of it maybe, have a read of all the things pregnancy does to the body. Then maybe you’ll realise why it takes some time to get back into things.
And periods…don’t get me started on that…I get such bad back pain and cramps I can’t stand. Not just “oh this is annoying and uncomfortable”, it’s actual pain.
*sigh* Your post was hilarious…
I will concede that I hate lifting heavy things (always get men to do this task!), I’m crap at push ups and I can’t really swing on monkey bars. Men are probably more inclined to find things like that easier.
Did God create woman weaker then men? Of course not. But I don’t believe God exists, so maybe I’m not the best person to ask
@TimothySassone - Point taken.
Are you serious? I mean honestly? This is a joke, right?
A man is supposed to be submissive to his wife, Gerald? You have scripture to back that up, I assume. Are you sure you don’t have that backwards? Look at Ephesians 5:22.
Hell no! Women go through hell all the time and as a result, carry a little of that fire back………
Ok, that’s it. I’m sick of hearing about womens cycles and child birthing pain. A new theory, women are weaker because they have these things happen to them. If your period causes unbearable pain and suffering, you are not as effective at work, in regards to relationships, at life. Because you are forced to manage through your period, many of you do not do this effectively, your resources are diminished and thus making you weaker.
@CallMeQuell - Ohh, that’s what your saying. Duh, what did’nt I pick up on that? LOL Anyway, I can’t agree with you more; mens’ behavioral-types prove great weakness through what they consider to be first-rate strength.
Men would not be back to work the next day. And just fyi, I think most women could PULL OFF going to work the next day- but why would they if they don’t have to? If you’ve got maternity leave why in the world would you rush off to work?
Women not caring as much when men are sick isn’t a sign of any actual difference between the sexes, it’s merely a cultural phenomenon because the idea of “men should be tough and women should be damsels in distress” has been pushed into our subconsciousness over and over. It’s the same thing with pain- society teaches us that it is okay for women to take a break, lap up the concern- guys aren’t supposed to, and so they don’t.
Please. You are NOT tougher or stronger than I am.
@and_everything_fades_to_black - I’m not dismissing them. I’m sure that mood swings are terrible, as I’ve had those, and I’m just as sure that cramps are terrible, because I’ve had those as well. All I was really meaning to say was that women tend to complain too much about periods. We know it happens and, for the most part, we realize that they are uncomfortable. However, I don’t think you can really use them as a comparison between the toughness of male to female when only one of the two in consideration go through it. There’s no male comparison to either of the two, so it’s not really an argument.
Using periods/birth as a sign of toughness can’t be done because no male will ever go through them. Also, just going through these things doesn’t qualify as being tough. A period is something that you WILL go through just like giving birth is something you WILL go through if you want to birth a child. The sign of toughness would be more of how you dealt with them compared to how other people deal with them… which means you can only possibly use these two things as a comparison to how tough you are compared to other females. They’re both invalid points on the subject of which sex is tougher.
@steph843 - It’s not only hard, it’s impossible. Which really makes the period/giving birth arguments of toughness invalid when comparing the toughness of sexes.
I just want to make myself clear on this. I think women and men are equally tough and equally wimpy. I don’t think the sex has anything to do with it. It’s the individual that makes the difference, not the genitalia.
@nimbusthedragon - i totally agreeeee
If you don’t take weeks off after child birth, you get cases of maternal privation, and maternally privated children are more prone to affectionless psychopathy, so that’s not all because women are weak. Search Bowlby’s 44 Thieves for a reference. And until you’ve pushed a baby out of a small hole between your legs, don’t you knock child birth.
Women have a higher pain tolerance than men too.
One time I went camping with 6 male friends, and despite being weary and headachey the next morning, I looked after and cooked for all six of the fuckers while they complained about their hangovers.
My mum has throat cancer and now has a tube installed in her stomach because once her throat starts to ulcerate due to radiotherapy, it’ll be too painful to eat. This means she’s in pain a lot of the time and can’t bend down. But she never asks for help. She never complains. And she still works from home. My dad whines about having toothache.
All in all, saying women are weaker than men is absolute bollocks.
Uh.. I wonder who they studied. All the men in my life are pussies when they get sick. Hell, my dad even goes so far as to get on his hands and needs and moan the whole time while slapping the ground saying how much pain he’s going through -rolls eyes-
I highly doubt any man would go to work the next day after they have had babies. Giving birth causes so much damage to the body it’s unreal. Why do you think it’s unhealthy to have babies the older a woman gets?
–me
@AilinCorazon - but see the poster is from theologianscafe its meant for people who arent in denial.
hehe everyones afraid to agree with the poster. Im not ill come out and say it I dont care wether you endure childbirth or not the verse says clearly that women should submit to their husbands. Thats what it says so all of this feminist crap is fallacious.
@LonesomeEyes - so by youre logic in order to say that murder is wrong I have to murder people in 4 or 5 different ways before i can know that its wrong to do? how does that make sense?
If the Bible supposedly teaches that women are the weaker sex, then how do you explain that Eve was created out of Adam’s rib bone? Why not his foot? There are more bones there. Or his bum, to signify that she was “behind” him?
Furthermore, what people don’t realize is that not every translation is truthful of the original meaning of the Bible. The original Hebrew has many nuances in meaning, and paraphrased versions, like the Message, don’t take the original language into consideration.
Here is a quote directly from Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the verse:
“Christians ought to do their duty to one another, from a willing mind, and in obedience to the command of God. Wives should be subject to their husbands, not from dread and amazement, but from desire to do well, and please God. The husband’s duty to the wife implies giving DUE RESPECT unto her, and maintaining HER AUTHORITY, protecting her, and placing trust in her. They are heirs TOGETHER of all the blessings of this life and that which is to come, and should live peaceably one with another.”
Women may be referred to as the “weaker partner” but that doesn’t make them lesser, nor does it give men the right to treat them poorly.
I think that sometimes women are weaker but men can be weaker too.
They would die from cramps and giving birth! We don’t.
Then again, there are so many things that women can’t do that men can and vice versa
It’s rpetty equal on in my books
I do not resent being the weaker vessel and am quite happy and content being a wife and mother, and I want, with God’s help, to be the best wife and mother that I can be! I am physically AND emotionally weaker than my husband, but when it comes to being outright sick, I think my husband tends to need to be served hand and foot more than I do when I am sick!!! That is, once he finally succumbs to the couch or bed. I succumb quicker than he does, but then I quietly suffer and ride it out where as he seems to be needing something all the time!!
As for that study done in the UK…I don’t think that’s true! I think most women will lay their life on the line to get their hubby nursed back to health!
Men are normally better at handling stress and pressures involving their jobs. Women tend to become unreasonable at work quicker than men. I’ve seen more women ‘losing it’ on the job than men.
I look to my husband as being the strong one and I admire and respect him for being so STRONG all around, but at the same time I believe if husbands and wives would take turns having the baby, almost no family would have more than 3 children, because the wife would take her turn first, then hubby would take his turn, wife would take her 2nd turn, then it would be hubby’s turn again but he would say, “I ain’t doing it again!”
Yes, the wife is the weaker vessel, but the hubby sure does need her as much as she needs him, and together they complement each other. We find joy and fulfilment in walking in the role the Lord has called us to, and no woman needs to resent that verse in the Bible! Our souls are of equal value to the Lord.
Females have no need to be physically stronger then males. Females are naturally more passive and males are more active in sexual coupling. As males are the active partner in a sexual relationship there’s more completion between males (as in male on male violence) to gain access to females. The sexual dimorphism between polyandry mammals is that the male are stronger, faster and generally more violent then females. Men are physically stronger to compete in male on male competition to gain access to females.
If i recall correctly, historically around 40% of men did not reproduced.
the first question to be considered should be
did god create us, or did we create god.
I’ve taken care of a bed-ridden wife AND gone to work when I was just as sick as she. I don’t see women doing that.
I can understand why this issue makes some women mad after reading some more of the comments. It seems very thoughtless and heartless for a man to assume that we can handle child birth because our bodies are “naturally producing pain killers.” What pain killers?!! It sure doesn’t feel like there’s any pain killers at work. Only unimaginable, all consuming pain! But as long as my husband is kind and considerate of me, and pampers me a bit, I can handle it! If you guys undermine women and what they endure going through these womanly things, that’s where you might also get some womanly wrath poured upon your poor hapless heads! You’re asking for it!!
A REAL man will be loving and understanding and kind and thoughtful and considerate of his wife, especially while she is facing some of these issues. You know what you men get in return? A wife that admires you, pours out her love and devotion on you, thinks you are so strong and manly. She’ll walk around with stars in her eyes, can’t wait till you get home from work!
its a given that women have to take six week off after birth. NOT because she is weak, but because she has to. who will take care and breastfeed the newborn if not the mother?
physically, men are in some ways are stronger than women. but if you want to talk emotionally, women have more strength then any men.
Men would not be right back to work after having a baby! Women keep going to work to make money to feed their families even when they’re feeling like crap and in my experience it’s men who laze around if they feel the tiniest bit ill. Heck, if my bf is sick I’m always giving him advice about how to feel better/alleviate his symptoms. One time when he thought he had a fever or something he came over to see me anyway (we’d made previous plans to hang out and he hates to break them) I told him, “We are going to Wal-Mart and I am buying you a thermometer so you can see if you really do have a fever or not” and gave him some oral anaesthetic throat drops. I can get bossy with sick people sometimes (I have a ferocious “mother hen” instinct”) but it’s because I care and Jay appreciates it.
Wow ballsy. Women have a higher life expectancy. I don’t feel like talking about this though. Aborting mission.
You are joking, right? This is the 21st. century NOT the 13th. where women who knew how to ‘nurse’ people to health and were burned at the stake for being witches.
If you are capable of critical thinking, You must realize that organized religion is one of the leading causes of DEATH.. Sorry I CARE about people, thats why I am a secular humanist.
I bet you never heard of Carl Sagan!
God didn’t create us, nothing actually “created” us we evolved from little single celled organisms billions of years ago. As for women being weaker than men, they are. And before I am called a male chauvinist let us look at the leaders of the majority of countries in this world, the holders of most high offices in this world and country. They are male, is this right? No, but as we EVOLVED men were physically stronger and therefor were able to dominate their female counterparts. Holding them back from learning or becoming leaders. Of course we have instances of female leadership in our history Queen Elizabet, Jon of Arc, etc… but don’t give me these exceptions just admit the truth that in history and up today males are superior, but of course that is changing, for the better or for the worse.
-Gabe
@jhaguar13 - how is that even relevant to what I wrote?
personal observation: Mom could nurse 5 kids thru snot blowing, high fever, nausea and vomiting cases of the flu, then come down with it herself, and life just kept rolling along. Dad got snotty and ran a bit of a fever, he HAD to see a doctor NOW, and stay in bed, and have soup brought up . . .
As far as men being stronger than women, maybe God made it that way. Maybe it’s a matter of selection. I’ve noticed that the more insecure a man is, the tinier his wife tends to be. That’s over generalizing, I’m sure.
There are big, strong women around. I do believe they are selected against, just as you guys select against other traits, like hairiness, asymetry, and scarring.
This is disappointing coming from The Theologians Cafe because The Theologians Cafe should know better than to incinuate that God created the human species. This is utter madness because God is an Israeli male forename, and the God referred to in The Bible was a real living human person. Humans evolved. In evolution the female’s natural duties of bearing children and raising them at home caused them to be slighter than the males whose natural duties of exploring, gathering the food, making shelter caused them to the heavier.
AND those of you who go on about all the things a woman can’t do, and a man can are simply weak women.
there is a silly joke in my country,
“a man can only bring a ‘sword’ at a time, while a woman can carry 2 ‘mountains’ everywhere”
so, what d’ya think bout it???
@parmisan - haha i love it when ignorant evolutionists show up. You have no idea what your talking about.
@achikaaxander - noone is arguing that. at least i hope not. biblically it is mandated that women submit to their husbands out of respect for their husbands and for God.
you have to define “strength”. – is it brute strength? like the ability to lift heavy objects? or is it endurance? – women have more pain endurance. or is it the ability to live longer? or to carry, feed, deliver, and nurse a baby (men’s bodies are pathetically un-miraculous – weak!).
society expects men to just grin and bear it – hence, the lack of complaining – and also hence, the lack of doctor visits, which contributes to men’s shorter lifespans. (going to work daily n not allowing ur body the rest it needs – not always good).
“haha i love it when ignorant evolutionists show up. You have no idea what your talking about.” – well, at least we have proof.
Sure, if we were to get into a fist fight, you’d win. For men, the upper body is stronger than it is for women. For women, the lower body [legs] tend to be stronger than it is for men. Scientifically, that’s just how we are built. However, I disagree with you when you say that women are weaker then men. I am also not going to say that we tolerate pain much better than men, as some have mentioned above. Everyone’s tolerance is different; it has nothing to do with whether you’re a male or female.
You say that your dad broke his foot in 3 different places and still went to work, and that a woman wouldn’t do that? Well, I am a full time violinist. If you’re not a musician, you won’t know how physically and mentally demanding six hours of practice a day is. Plus concerts, recitals, recordings, etc. I’m only 16 years old. When I get my period, I always faint. I go through 5 painkillers a day. I’m at the point where I can’t pick myself up from off of the floor, and I actually WANT to die. The pain is unbearable. But, I still do my 6 hours a day. I still go to my lessons, three times a week, even though my head feels like it’s going to explode. No breaks for me.
So you see, your dad is maybe in his late 40′s or 50′s. I am a 16 year old girl, and I “never miss a day of work” either. There ARE women out there, that despite being drugged up from painkillers and STILL feel like their insides are being stabbed repeatedly, that will push through all that shit and do what they’re supposed to do.
I think that women are strong mentally and also they develop this right away…and for men(or at least a LOT of them..it takes a long time for them to “get things”..and some really do NOT want to Get those things..they just want to be oblivious to pretty much anything that they can!! LOL!) Some call it being extra stubborn, and some call it total denial!! LOL!!
But, there are a LOT of men who STILL have not grown up…(but, then again..there are women who have not either! I have also seen this as well!!)
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Dan, I’m sorry, but you’ve turned into a serious douchebag. I feel sorry for your wife and wonder what she has to go through with your ignorant ass.
Much of the Bible was changed to present a hierachy, to make societies more orderly. Also, many of the stories that were decided to not go into the Bible featured women. It’s all part of the Anglo-Saxon history and other ties with early Christianity. Look it up.
Being a woman, let me tell you a story.
When I gave birth to my son a year ago after a 10 hour labor, my husband got a migraine headache about 5 hours later; while we were both exhausted and sleeping off the whole ordeal. When we arrived home he went straight to bed and was there for the next half-day; and guess who was up and about with the baby, making phone calls, etc.
Now my husband is a strong six-footer, and there are many things he is more capable of. Stronger physique, yes. Able to make firm decisions, and not be bowled over by people, yes. Higher pain tolerance for short periods, yes.
But when it comes to pain that is prolonged and insistent, I think women win. In my experience, having had 5 brothers and and now 7 brothers-in-law, they can always handle the hard jobs and the high pain. However, when they had a 24 hour flu, or any kind of prolonged pain, they were flat on their backs. My mom and sisters, however, could have the same flu, etc and be not only taking care of themselves but trotting out food and comfort for the men.
I have a friend who endured a 36 hour labor, then spent 5 hours pushing the baby out, without complaint. Unless you have actually given birth, you would be wise not to claim that any man would return to work immediately following. Look at the statistics back before medical interventions, and notice the percentage of women who died in childbirth, sometimes after days of labor. Something that can kill hardworking farm women who were tougher back then than most men are now isn’t just the common cold.
Having said that, I believe that we both have our strengths and weaknesses, and in different areas.
The Bible was written to men who needed right and wrong defined because they did not know. So who is weaker in will and mind? A better question to ask is why are women portrayed that way in the Bible? What were the times like? It is simple logic that a rule is made due to something in err happening. So if men are directed to take care of their women it is likely that they did not or did not do it well. They had to be told their obligations because they were vulgarians for the most part. That God has to back up common sense might indicate that little sensitivity was in place. It is an ongoing problem.
Who told you about your father’s foot? Three places that’s pretty specific. Whoever told you glamorized it so much that you remembered it and his sacrifice so long. That’s quite a bit of honor for a broken foot. I am sure well deserved.
Were it a good woman’s foot you would not have known it was anything but broken and that only if she went to the doctor. You would never have known she was in pain after. Not unless you were paying very close attention to her breathing. She would not have given you the details because she would want to give you more attention than herself. That was the woman of your mother’s time. Stoic with her pain inside and out. Unless she was spoiled. They always moan about everything in both genders.
Be wary of making any kind of conclusion about a study unless you read the study or get it from a good source. Those that are in news papers are touted because they have salacious bits and only because of that. Those in science journals and news sites are better at being rational and not giving false conclusions. Gender studies is the place to start. Right now the most recent research I’ve read is about how the genders react to pain differently. Different places in the brain are stimulated. However, together the reactions seem quite complimentary.
If we have stayed the same, our atavistic traits would make it seem more likely that women would be more emotional about their pain right away and men more cognitive about it. But that is immediate reaction only. I have not read studies about the long term behaviors with pain. That is the realm of social psychology though.
Hey have you been to yourmorals.org? There is a place to take part in an ongoing study about morals. you might find it interesting.
I have not been here in a long time but it seems the same if a bit more neo-Christian. Perhaps it is only this entry though. Was there ever a time or a person in your life that let you know that speaking of your faith was only polite to do in places of faith or in private? I was raised to understand that faith is like honor, if you have it then you do not need to show it and doing so was a gawdy display not worthy of God or but of man and of his weakenesses. But times have changed I suppose.
@adoremyguy - right on. Not only do I love my husband who is stronger than me in many ways for being strong, but also for recognizing and admitting to those areas such as childbirth where women are called upon for extraordinary strength. (Men get exhausted just SEEING us do it!) A man who will demean women and dismiss their strengths as inferior is pretty low and weak, in my book.
They maybe physically weaker, but they will F*** with your head. Great memory so when you two fight she will use your words against you. Women are smarter.
I’m like most guys. I avoid pain at all costs, but when I have to put up with it, I can without complaint. I cut my leg with a chainsaw, then calmly limped over to my boss and told him it looked liked we’d need to go to the ER.
Study or not, the men in my life have always been big babies even when having a mild cold, and the women spend a great deal of time feeding them soup, cough syrup etc etc. I’m not sure if this is supposed to be tongue in cheek, but it really is insulting. The Bible ‘clearly’ teaches a lot of things that are anti-women, and obviously composed by men out of a patriarchal society.
LMAO, almost every man I’ve ever known who’s hurt something or fallen ill has been down and out and expected others to take care of him. Whereas, alot of the ladies I’ve known were working two jobs while trying to get better from an illness (whether it was a particularly bad cold or something hereditary), or from an injury.
I’m NOT saying guys aren’t capable of this. I’m just pointing out how silly it is to make a generalization based on one’s own experiences.
To my observations, men and women have different kinds of strengths as a base and then are able to develop strengths in various degrees. Individual traits of course, must be factored in.
Men on their baseline, don’t tend to be that good on endurance. Short flashy bursts of amazing energy, sure.
Where ladies, on the other hand, while they may lack the short flashy bursts on their baseline can continue through hard work for 12 hours…even if it is excruciating. Endurance.
Both genders may develop the ability of the others’ baseline…to whatever degree they are capable of, and after that it’s the grey area of being a matter of skill.
Human beings are created with equal opportunities and are presumptively, capable of the same things. To speak very, very generally of course.
You’ll notice that I’ve avoided asking you to -define- weakness and strength, of course. And the reason is that culturally, religiously, societally it is a highly subjective subject and therefore makes it a flawed and seriously bad approach to seeing the truth — in the general sense. (In my humble opinion, of course)
Dan, I love the controversy, but seriously…let’s use a little more common sense and facts. Not the Bible. Women are proven to be able to tolerate pain better. I’ve hyper-extended my knee at work and was back the next day, and I don’t get to just sit on my ass or stand and make parts. Men and women are equal in their own way. Your generalizations are weak my friend.
Men are physically stronger and more adept for protection of the family in that way; however, women tend to be the true protectors of the family. There is a reason why the term “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned” exists. Have you ever seen two chicks go at it? Even if they don’t know how to fight, they are trying to kill each other. Men are the ones more worried about getting hurt and not hurting the other guy too much. Chicks get primal. I just wanted to point out something fun that I’ve noticed lately. Like seriously, they go for blood,man.
@huginn- Women aren’t on the front lines because they can’t stand being shot, huh? No it’s because their bodies can’t carry the massive amount of weight our military (or nearly any) requires their soldiers to wear and move as quickly. There are a tribe of women, that people still think to be Amazons, in Eastern Africa… the men fear them. They are strong and brutal. I doubt you could tear apart a man’s flesh with your bare hands.
@TimothySassone - Prepare yourself then. I’m sure the Big Guy up there will only point out to you PROVIDED He knows you’re ready.
@ILovePOOTPOOT - If and when he does, I am willing to follow. Until then, I see no reason to waste my valuable time. As a side note, I have no problems being friends with females, in fact, I tend to get along better with some girls than some boys, provided the topic of discussion stays away from make-up and the like. However, a girlfriend at 16/17 would be completely and utterly pointless.
@misuriver - Missed this comment. The army doesn’t keep females off the front lines for either of those reasons. They are kept off the front lines because so many males would do something stupid if one of them were to be put in danger. Most men (I say “most” because there are some exceptions, however few) will instictually do anything to save a womans life, no matter how stupid or suicidal the actions involved may be. They are kept off the front lines more for the men’s safty than their own. Also, I may not be able to remove someone’s limbs without a weapon, but I bet this guy could…
[EDIT]: My appolgies for spelling errors, but for some reason the Firefox spellcheck doesn’t want to work in the comment box.
“I remember when my dad broke his foot in three places. He never missed
a day of work. He just kept going. You just don’t tend to see a woman
respond the same way. “
That’s a typical load of the same old brand of malarkey you always deal, Dan. Rabble rouser that you are, you coat your posts with slimy religious sugar and then sit back, grinning evilly, while you watch the little Xangans who worship you battle it out over issues about which you clearly can not post anything substantive. No, being a bigot does not qualify you for Xanga stardom, even though it’s what you obviously desire more than spiritual “goodness.”
Ask ANY person you know who’s the bigger whiner when things don’t go their way? MEN. Even funnier, you make my point with your whiney little post.
I know you’ll never go away, but it would be refreshing if you would, just once, practice what you claim to preach. Oops – I see that you do. Too late for you,
Being a demi-god must be so hard on you. Wah.
@misuriver - You have obviously never met my mother.
@Gerald_Washington - lol if you go on in genesis you’ll find that man is suppose to be submisive unto his wife? sorry, you wont. but it does say in the bible that a husband is suppose to love his wife as God loved the church and gave himself up for it.
yes….. God made men stronger than woman. i think we’ve all known this for a while.
@niez_cho - Women are or seem to be ‘emotionally stronger’ because at some point they all decided to stick together and be united against men; particularly in their bid for legal, social & relational power & control. And desire for power can be a very powerful motivation.
Also, they are increasingly the ones who have been raising men in America for generations now by themselves and without a male role model, or displayed healthy male-female interaction.
As they like to say:
“The hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world.”
@TimothySassone - That is also very true. My fiance told me both reasons are true, but your reason is the official reason. Poor guys.
@The_Hollow_Queen – She sounds both bad ass and scary.
.@misuriver - ”I doubt you could tear apart a man’s flesh with your bare hands.”
Exceptions don’t make the rule, any rule. At least they shouldn’t. But you’re right about me not being able to do that. But then, I’ve like so many men in this country, I’ve been raised by and surrounded by feminist women bent on control all my life.
Also, the obvious point, most people in America today are reliant upon our economic & technological infrastructure rather than being raised to hunt and survive in the wild.
To answer your question Theologian, yes I do believe it is well-known (though often denied nowadays) that women are generally physically weaker, and also morally as well. I say this based on insight and a lifetime of observation and experience; as well as conversations with women on this very subject. And if you can get them to answer the question honestly, they will often tell you that yes, women are usually more unscrupulous, manipulative, and evil than men are.
However they seem to have more access to their spiritual and emotional nature than men do. We were just created for different roles. Neither role is better than the other, they are just different and made for different purposes.
no, society did.
@Koolou - By your logic, black people are also created emotionally stronger than white, after all, then decided to stick together and be united against whites; particularly in their bid for legal and social power & control.
As a side note, for quite some time I was raised by a single parent, my father.
@The_Hollow_Queen - In reply to the line “Ask ANY person you know who’s the bigger whiner when things don’t go their way? MEN.”
Funny, cause my step mother stomps off to her room if I so much as correct her… for that matter, I find my step-sister reacts the same way, while my brother and father take any correction with an open mind. To generalize a reaction to “losing” by gender is incredibly stupid. One could almost look at your post as a reaction to having something you don’t believe stuck out there for discussion, and you throwing a tantrum over it. I don’t think this is the case, and since I don’t know any of the back story with you, everyone else, and Dan, I won’t question the reasons for your reaction. However, next time you plan on posting like this, please take the following passage into consideration…
My spell-check still isn’t working, so sorry for any spelling/grammar mistakes in my comment.
Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye?You
hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will
see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
-Matthew 7:4-5
well just give a woman a helicopter and a rifle and she can take anyone on …
Woman can stand pain better than men. Men have no idea what child birth feels like. Let me guess a guy wrote this ? Men and physically stronger, and it stops there. There is so much women go through that a man could never.
@jendral - ”so, what d’ya think bout it???”
Uh…
All you have to do is count the number of construction worker ratio between both sexes…and WALLA!: the answer!
@TimothySassone - Lol, no you misunderstood what I said. I was saying that while women in general are more emotional than men, women seem to be (or have become) emotionally stronger than men because of their essentially united front against men for a common purpose.
“As a side note, for quite some time I was raised by a single parent, my father.”
Ok… And?
@k_Skrap_moua - Lol.
@Yellow_Brick_Roadd - Oh yeah? I’ve seen many a man get a nail shot into his hand or something similar and calmly take care of it. Some without saying a word.
But I agree with you, @Yellow_Brick_Roadd - a women’s vagina, like her heart, can be quite insensitive.
“All we ever hear is how much tougher women are because they have babies
and they have to experience a monthly cycle. If it was men having
those babies, I guarantee there would not be six weeks off after the
baby. Men would be back to work the next day.”
You’ve got to be kidding me. I’m praying you’re being sarcastic. Poppin’ a kid out of your vagina, or via c-section is NO simple task. Do not undermine the seriousness of the birth process. A c-section is MAJOR surgery, and the kind of trauma female anatomy goes through in a vaginal birth isn’t simply skinning your knee. Fine, if men were birthing children, I’d like to a man go to work the next day. Good luck. You’ll burst your stitches down there and possibly give yourself a hernia…then I’ll be that nurse in the hospital who has to treat you.
Men and women each have their role…and both earn EQUAL respect.
I have been voraciously sick and have still gone to school or work because I want to.
@Koolou - I see where you’re coming from now, I don’t agree, but I respect your beliefs.
In your comment you stated: “Also, they are increasingly the ones who
have been raising men in America for generations now by themselves and
without a male role model, or displayed healthy male-female
interaction.”
I was simply making the point that males can, and do, perform the same task just as well.
@MaganLe - Same. The problem isn’t doing something you want to do when you don’t feel well, it’s doing something you don’t particularly want to do, despite the fact that you feel bad/horrible.
As for the comments about child birth and monthly periods, I agree with one, and only one comment on this matter. Seeing as it is impossible for a man to go through this, it is not a valid argument, as anything said on the males side of the argument is purely speculation.
@Yellow_Brick_Roadd - That is a foolish argument. As I’ve already said, seeing as it is impossible for a man to go
through this, it is not a valid argument, as anything said on the males
side of the argument is purely speculation.
“All we ever hear is how much tougher women are because they have babies
and they have to experience a monthly cycle. If it was men having
those babies, I guarantee there would not be six weeks off after the
baby. Men would be back to work the next day.”
I agree that women aren’t “tougher” because of child birth and having a monthly cycle..But if a man went back to work the next day after giving birth it would make you irresponsible and inconsiderate….you need to take care of your own child after it’s born, not just hand it off after it’s a day old for someone else to care for.
People refer to God as as “He” much of the time, maybe He, is bias?
Weakness is a relative term. I think that men would apply the term “weak” to women, at least sexist men, but I don’t think that women are “weak.” I am a Christian and I love, submit to and honor the love of my life, but I am also independent and a free-thinker. I am physically strong (certainly not to the extent of a grown man) but I can hold my own. I am not emotionally strong about some things–I am at least weaker than my significant other in many emotional ways. In that sense, I need his support and love. But there are some cases when he is weaker than I am. When we are sick for example, I like to just be left alone and work through it. Or I want my Mommy to take care of me. But when he is sick, he treats me as his Mommy and wants to lie in my lap and have me bring him things like soup and kleenex and tylenol. Or help him to the bathroom… But it’s a nice exchange for a hug when I’m crying.
i think that women are just as strong as men if they
try to be idc what the bible says not sayin i dont believe
but honestly mentally i think women are just as strong
now physically is a differant story
but most women politically or just any type of mental thing
women are equally or even in some cases stonger then men.
I think you’re full of horse shit but also right.
It’s true that women are physically weaker than men.
However, emotionally and mentally, just because men put on a front, it doesn’t mean they’re stronger.
Though some women take advantage of the fact that they are known to be weaker.
However, your point about your father is moot because your father does not represent the male gender as we know it, and also I’ve been injured and ill but I’ve never let it change my daily life. When I’m sick or hurt I get up and go no matter what.
Moot.
Oh and the bible says we should kill all people who work on Sundays.
So who cares about what the traditional bible says anyway?
We as human beings are made with both strengths and weaknesses. The weaknesses possessed by women are compensated by their strengths which men have not. That is why man and woman are made for each other. They serve as complements in the other’s life.
@Gerald_Washington - Actually, the verses of which you speak are in Ephesians chapter five, and there it commands husbands to “love your wives, as Christ loved the church.” (Ephesians 5:25)
While I may be physically weaker than my boyfriend I’m stronger than him in a lot of ways. When I get sick I still get up, go to work, clean house, play with children(don’t have any personally) and keep going. I get the flu once a year and normally around my monthly cycle so I’m in full pain then, having endometriosis. My boyfriend could not handle that at all! To me when men get sick you seem to expect us to baby you. The only baby I need to baby is my nephew and niece because they are babies(well the nephew is a toddler, but he obviously can’t fend for himself.) If you’re a grown man who’s sick then I’m seriously going to need you to get up, get some cold medication and keep on trucking. It’s seriously not that serious.
And I think that if men truly gave birth there would be 6 weeks off without having to wonder if the work will suffer. I think birth control would be covered the same as Viagra and men would stop complaining when they don’t get any.
Your dad was one of those men who chose to keep up with his responsibilities. There are far more who would have used the time off to fully heal and sit back and do nothing.
As a strong woman I need an equally strong man. So yes, while I can’t lift as much as a man, I have to strength to potentionally push a watermelon out a lemon, be thrown up, drooled, spit, peed, pooped, hit, kicked etc on repeatedly without complaint. My boyfriend would run for the hills at the first sign of drool.
@Koolou - your assessment that women are morally weaker is wrong. saying that an entire gender is less moral than the other is just ignorant.
you are right that we have different roles, but to say that the female’s ”unscrupulous, manipulative, and evil” role is different but equal to a man’s role is just ridiculous. They are equal but by no means is one gender more evil than the other. I have no idea where you got that from. I don’t know which women you talked to or about your “lifetime” of experience but I think you need to have a talk with God or something, because it is not His word that is teaching you that.
Think about all of the manipulative men in the world, who lie and coerce their way into the pants of women who think they will be getting love in return. rapists, murderers, liars, cheaters, adulterers…
and you think women are more immoral?
I am not saying that men are more immoral either, and yes, women are physically weaker, but your claim that women are weaker morally is way off. Sounds like you’ve had a rough time with some women, but don’t let your hard heart judge those who don’t have bad intentions. Keep researching.
p.s. I don’t see what physical strength has to do with pain tolerance. This is just silly.
i do think most girls are physically weaker than most guys
i think the bible was written/god was created after this fact was established.
What kind of strength are you talking about here? Generally considered, it’s moral strength that defines a person’s overall strength. And women have long been given the credit for that…even when they weren’t given equal rights, women were often acknowledged, especially for instilling morals in children during the industrial revolution.
This may be way off or not make sense because I’m a youngling, but here goes….
Men have strengths and weaknesses. Women have strengths and weaknesses. What a man lacks, a woman may excel in, and vis versa. In my opinion, neither is stronger than the other, nor weaker, overall.
The differences in sexes are made to compliment the other sex (hypothetically): men are strong whereas women are not, and women are more caring and emotional whereas men are not.
I found this post highly offensive. Obviously men are weaker in social graces, if nothing else… Ugh.
I thought your post was very thought provoking. I think that possibly God made each of us with strengths that help to enhance each others weaker sides. In any case, I suppose we will never know until we are within eternity.
Physically: Men > Women
Mentally and Emotionally Women > Men
No sir the bible does absolutely not say that. Look closer at the text “and treat them with respect AS the weaker partner”
You seem to have missed that “as” part which may be substituted with “like” it teaches men to treat them “like” the weaker vessel.
My mom was close to death and continued caring for her 3 toddlers and 1 newborn. It truly depends on the person.
As a personal example I broke my finger working at UPS as an unloader
but I did not miss a day a work for it. As an unloader I am lifting up
to my own body weight and unloading packages at a rate of 1500-1800
packages per hour. My pace did not falter.
Furthermore men are to treat women this way because women only get the respect the world (men) give them. At this point dont’ get much respect, we are sex symbols and tobjects to be used and thrown away when the youth is gone. Men who will love us for the person God made us are scarce, sadly. That statement is from the lips of a male friend.
True according to the bible we women are easily deceived as a product of the garden of eden, but it does not say we are weaker.
In some ways yes, the muscular structure of women is not as developed as that of men, but plenty of women are stronger emotionally, and spiritually.
The point of the passage is treat us with respect. Please men, do this. We are only worth as much as we are told, and in American society, that is only as thin and as beautiful as we can be is our worth. Its wrong, yes, but it’s the way we are raised, just as men are encouraged to act like “men” be manly, use women for sex, and get rid of her if she with holds it.
In the Christian culture we women submit to our husbands as Christ submits to the Father, as the church submits to Christ, but we aren’t to be treated as lowly nothings. We too are created in God’s image. It’s a partnership, men and women are made for each other and complement each other.
Christians are counter culture. Let’s remember that and stop the squabbles. I am delighted you posted something for discussion and I encourage you to do so in the future, with a careful examination of the text.
God Bless
Do women have a higher pain tolerance than men?
Some
people suppose that, because they are able to bear children, women have
a higher pain tolerance than men do. However, several studies do not
support this theory.
I got this from a semi-reliable internet source: http://people.howstuffworks.com/women4.htm
Never heard of this site before, but at least it’s not just me spouting my baseless opinion in order to support my opinion like so many posters.
I don’t think of myself as sexist, but yes, men are stronger. That’s just how it is. Historically they fought in wars and stabbed each other with sharp pieces of metal, to me this seems to at least counter the pain of child birth, so I’d say men probably have a higher pain tolerance, but that’s just my assumption.
This is a point that I haven’t seen brought up yet. Women tend to be very adept at socializing and interpersonal relations. I’m pretty oblivious and people shy until I’m very familiar with someone and I’m actually jealous of women for their social strengths.
@lostintranscension - Using periods/birth as a sign of toughness
can’t be done because no male will ever go through them. Also, just
going through these things doesn’t qualify as being tough. A period is
something that you WILL go through just like giving birth is something
you WILL go through if you want to birth a child. The sign of toughness
would be more of how you dealt with them compared to how other people
deal with them… which means you can only possibly use these two
things as a comparison to how tough you are compared to other females.
They’re both invalid points on the subject of which sex is tougher.
That is the most astute and brilliantly crafted comment in this entry.
Self fulfilled prophecy. Because we are considered weaker mentally and physically, we become weaker mentally and physically. I believe if women were taught they were stronger than men (yes even physically) they would be stronger than men. I call it the open jar theory. Lets say you have twins, a girl and a boy. The boy is taught that he is stronger, so his siter will give him jars to open. He becomes stronger by every jar he opens. If his sister was taught that she was stronger, then her brother would ask her to open the jars, therefore she would be stronger.
Some History books might say that women are weaker, but I know of tribes written about by early explorers where the women did the hard labor, like fishing and agriculture, while the men stayed inside and cooked and sewed. go fig.
Self fulfilled prophecy. Because we are
considered weaker mentally and physically, we become weaker mentally
and physically. I believe if women were taught they were stronger than
men (yes even physically) they would be stronger than men. I call it
the open jar theory. Lets say you have twins, a girl and a boy. The boy
is taught that he is stronger, so his siter will give him jars to open.
He becomes stronger by every jar he opens. If his sister was taught
that she was stronger, then her brother would ask her to open the jars,
therefore she would be stronger.
That, or the scientific fact that men build muscle mass easier.
I think men deserve more credit (but not this blogger haha). If we do a thought experiement and men could also have babies and had periods, they would be able to endure it because well, they would have to once a month. Likewise, if women were just as physically strong as men, then maybe socialization processes would be different and men wouldn’t have to prove their masculinity as in this blog.
I don’t think it’s just our biologies at work, it’s the social meaning we attach to them.
@TimothySassone - So, if you can’t find a logical explanation, just escape – that’ll fix’ ‘er right up, won’t it? ::expansive eyeroll:: Try using your brain, instead – Dan’s entire Xanga existence is based on evoking reactions from people, good, bad or ugly. He is, apparently, a very intelligent man, although his true intent eludes me since I do not know him personally, either.
What infuriates me is his over-simplification of issues that are meant ONLY to get indignant, angry, biased responses and that have nothing to do with good sense or common decorum. His use of religion as a safety net is also deplorable in that it is the same convenient tool used by men, for eons, to create a fictional ideology that promotes only the superiority of MEN, as well as historically displacing women by means of fear, lies, and offhanded sleazery.
Dan wrote, “Clearly that Bible verse teaches that women are weaker than men.” No, that is how he interpreted it. I’m continually astonished at how the words in a work of fiction can be so twisted to serve to desires of male society. I also find it simply extraordinary that most men reading/responding to this post have interpreted the passage as,”God says women are weak, so I must be better,” while most women have asserted it means, “Respect me because God said so, even if you don’t want to.” Interesting. Looks like perspective is everything, wouldn’t you agree?
Bottom line? NO ONE is weaker or stronger. NO ONE lives on this planet alone. When Christians truly learn to live and let live then this discussion won’t even be a remarkable issue. In the meantime, we have to deal with what we, as humans, have wrought on this planet. We were made to live together as human beings and social creatures, no matter who you believe made us, or how we evolved.
Thanks for the exchange, though.
what a dangerous topic. GENERALLY yes women are physically weaker than men, although there are a LOT of exceptions these days… i know some girls that can kick any guy’s ass any day. but i think that’s a trivial issue. i think it’s just symbolic of the fact that God made men to be the head of the household, the leader of the family–NOT because they are stronger or smarter or whatever, but because there can only be ONE leader per group (family) and God created the man first. end of story. what kind of a point are you trying to make? that men are stronger than women in every way? not true. i think you need to look at more than one single study before deciding that women are not sympathetic. i know a lot of wonderful wives who treat their husbands like a king and a baby when they’re sick or hurt, and i know a lot of husbands who really are babies when they’re sick or hurt. i would suspect that the reason some women seem to be not so sympathetic to their men when they’re sick is because they’re being/acting too tough for sympathy anyway. if your dad refused to take a day off work when he broke his foot, does that really label your mom as non-sympathetic? she can’t help not being able to serve him breakfast in bed if he’s not there. and i don’t know what kind of women you know (or don’t know), but i know a LOT of women who would never miss a day of work whether they broke their foot or got stomach flu, and i do actually know one woman who had foot surgery and has not missed a day of work. and let me tell you, she is an insanely busy woman. i must agree that women do tend to have a higher pain tolerance than men. sorry. and let me mention that i don’t need to use pms and childbirth to prove that women can endure just as much as men can. but since you did make the quite presumtuous statement that men would be back to work the day after having a baby, you’re wrong. women don’t miss six weeks of work because they’re wimpy… it’s dangerous for a woman to do anything right after having a baby. their hormones are totally out of whack and readjusting, they are torn on the inside and bleeding (can you imagine urinating when you have stitches inside you know where? hmm? and no this cannot be compared to a uti. it’s not even close. and unnecessary movement can cause more tearing), and their body, which had been stretched to probably double capacity for several months, is now suddenly empty and all their internal organs need to readjust to their original positions, which will take time and exercise. do you think that just because you’re a man, you won’t experience all this if you had a baby? a baby is not a bubble that’s attached to the outside of your belly and just comes off when it’s born. having a baby involves ALL of those wonderful things that i’ve just described. it completely changes your whole body, physically and chemically, and it will not snap back to normal in just one day. broken bones are bad news but they don’t come close at all. so there’s that… now, about pms… you don’t know what it’s like to feel its effects and continue through your day. i must say, i guess “normal” pms really is more of a discomfort than anything else, so ok, it’s not a big deal. but girls who are blessed to have “normal” pms do go through their day just like any other day, so you can’t point at them for being weak. but for a lot of people like me it really is a pain. i have a condition called dysmenorrhea and it’s kind of a monthly foretaste of childbirth pains. if you want to get a vague idea of how painful it is, have someone kick you in the crotch continuously for a couple of hours. it’s the kind of pain that would make you put a gun to your head if you had one at the time. this pain comes to us every month and we don’t have a choice, and medicine is minimally effective, not to say hard on the liver. imagine life like that. yes there are girls that complain about it like it’s the end of the world every time it happens, but most women realize and accept the fact that it’s just a part of life and nothing’s gonna change it. unless they have some sort of high-risk job or are ridiculously clumsy, extremely painful injuries or sicknesses are just as extremely rare for men, so it’s easier to shrug it off as “oh it’s not a big deal. i’ll tough it out”. i’d like to see you experience the same thing as us (bad pms every month) and just be like “meh, it’s life”.
so there’s that. on the emotional/psychological side… if you want to talk about studies, i’d also heard of a study that showed that men are actually more emotional than women. i guess the difference was that they just don’t show it, so they appear to be the less emotional ones. and i have definitely seen enough in life to agree that men really are quite emotional. i think women can be just as emotional; it just depends on their personality; but hey, even though we may appear to freak out on the outside, we are more secure and stable than we’d like to admit at times and are 100% as capable of not being traumatized by events as men. i also know a LOT of people who can vouch for the fact that women are much more stable when their husband dies, as opposed to men who fall apart or get extremely depressed or let themselves go when their wife dies (very generally speaking, of course). again, we may appear to be the emotionally weaker ones, who have mood swings and more needs, but we know how to stay strong as a rock, and we know how to keep going on in life no matter what happens. so, we may be weaker physically, but on the inside, we are quite sturdy.
one last random note (my thoughts are disorganized at this hour): about the military comment… the military being comprised of mostly men has nothing to do with pain tolerance or being a coward. women can tolerate just as much pain and are just as fearless and fierce as men. the reason they’re not so much in the military is the obvious: we’re not as strong! men can carry more, faster, longer, further. plus, men’s personalities are generally more suited to war than women’s (duh). men like to break things and fight and women like to fix things and be nice (again, generally speaking). i don’t have a problem with that; that’s how we’re built and there are exceptions anyway. i’m not insulted by being physically weaker… i’m insulted by being labeled as wimpy and cowardly. let me tell you, i can take pain, and there are few things in this world that scare me. i just can’t carry a 100-lb load quickly over a long distance… in fact, i can’t carry a 100-lb load at all. but that’s just because i weigh 100 lbs and never lifted weights. i do know women who can though. and i do have a girl friend who is in the army and is always the strongest and fastest in her group. she’s amazing. anyways…
so, in a nutshell: physically weaker? generally, yes. we were built that way and there’s nothing wrong with it. less capable of tolerating extreme pain or sustaining severe damage? definitely not. we’re either as capable or more capable. emotionally or psychologically weaker? nope. so don’t try to make a bigger deal out of this than it really is. the only reason the Bible is so emphatic about men being gentle to their “weaker” partners is because it’s easy for men to become sort of the “tyrant” of the family because they are physically bigger and stronger, and have the position of the leader of the family. it’s easy to abuse that position and view yourself as bigger than you really are. don’t flatter yourself. my dad is clearly, without question, the head of my family but he is the most humble person you’ll ever meet in your life, but he hates it when we talk about how strong he is, and he totally admires my mom in every way. he doesn’t need to “act the part” in order to establish his position. and he definitely does not see my mom or me as weak. he respects us a lot. ok i’m done.
@The_Hollow_Queen -
So, if you can’t find a logical explanation, just escape
- that’ll fix’ ‘er right up, won’t it? ::expansive eyeroll:: Try
using your brain, instead – Dan’s entire Xanga existence is based on
evoking reactions from people, good, bad or ugly. He is, apparently, a
very intelligent man, although his true intent eludes me since I do not
know him personally, either.
First of all, thank you for responding intelligently to my comment, it’s getting harder and harder to find people who act this way on the internet. Now, on to the real topic of conversation here. I do not, and never have, used my God or beliefs as an excuse to remove all logic from my arguments. My beliefs are not based on feeling, or abstract thought, but rather on facts I have researched (as thoroughly as I can with my given resources) personally. I, as you seem to understand, am obviously not responsible for Dan’s posts, despite our sharing similar (and I use the word lightly) beliefs.
What infuriates me is his
over-simplification of issues that are meant ONLY to get indignant,
angry, biased responses and that have nothing to do with good sense or
common decorum. His use of religion as a safety net is also deplorable
in that it is the same convenient tool used by men, for eons, to create
a fictional ideology that promotes only the superiority of MEN, as well
as historically displacing women by means of fear, lies, and offhanded
sleazery.
I think that if you go back and read all my comments so far, you will see I have refrained from claiming either sex to be stronger overall, but rather made a point of simply correcting factual mistakes made by others, as I would want them to do for me. If you find anything you believe to be false, based on proven facts, please show me my mistake, so that I may correct it, and avoid it in the future. I would also like to point out that your accusations of men as using religion as a safety net, is applicable to the human population as a whole. It is used as an excuse for war, for violence, for segregation, and even by both men and women, to promote one sex’s superiority.
Dan wrote, “Clearly that Bible verse teaches
that women are weaker than men.” No, that is how he interpreted it. I’m
continually astonished at how the words in a work of fiction can be so
twisted to serve to desires of male society. I also find it simply
extraordinary that most men reading/responding to this post have
interpreted the passage as,”God says women are weak, so I must be
better,” while most women have asserted it means, “Respect me because
God said so, even if you don’t want to.” Interesting. Looks like
perspective is everything, wouldn’t you agree?
I agree with you completely here. Perspective, and personal interpretation, can be twisted to make any given phrase or sentence mean the opposite of what was actually said. I think Dan was wrong, however, because I don’t have facts to back that, I don’t plan on making any accusations, as even blaming him for a lack of true evidence would be hypocritical if I myself didn’t have any.
Bottom line? NO ONE is weaker or stronger.
NO ONE lives on this planet alone. When Christians truly learn to live
and let live then this discussion won’t even be a remarkable issue.
In the meantime, we have to deal with what we, as humans, have wrought
on this planet. We were made to live together as human beings and
social creatures, no matter who you believe made us, or how we evolved.
I almost agree completely with this as well. My only nit-pick, is that while neither sex is weaker or stronger over all, we do both have strengths and weaknesses. Because of this, both are necessary for a truly complete society, even outside of reproduction. I am tempted to stick those last two sentences on my e-mail signature.
Thanks for the exchange, though.
Again, my thanks for the intelligent, well thought-outreply.
I think in the social construct of that time, women were “weaker” than men. They didn’t have as many rights in the community, and in general, men tend to be stronger physically. However, I don’t think the passage means we weaker and worse than men. We are stronger in other areas men are weak in and God has given us unique strengths that men so love about us. And I’m talking about more than beauty here of course!
according to the bible and also the quran yes women are weaker than men. That’s why all the prophets are male. Generally, man make better leaders than woman. Although, this doesnt mean that man should bully woman. Woman are still strong, it’s just that man are stronger in the sense that they dont cry so easily (although in the modern days there are man who cries at a hallmark birthday card) and basically they are tougher physically. I mean, have you ever found a woman who can beat up mohammed ali?
I don’t know what kind of women were studied, but if MY boyfriend were sick, I would make him soup, and take care of him all day. I think most women tend to be sympathetic, rather than what this study says.
Also, I think the Bible was written a looooong time ago…and therefore, some of the things in there might be kind of outdated.
@nymph_of_waters - well said.
@xpudding - “according to the bible and also the quran yes women are weaker than men. That’s why all the prophets are male. Generally, man make better leaders than woman.”
Wow. I’m going to assume you aren’t that familiar with the Bible. I’m not that familiar with the Quran, so I can’t speak to what that says. Have you read about Deborah in the Bible? She was a Judge in Israel who led the Israelites into one of their longest times of peace of any of Israel’s leaders. And her time of leadership started with war. And she kicked butt. In fact, the men leading the armies refused to go into battle without her. They were scared…and she most definitely feared no one but Most High God.
Esther…a queen who saved her people…single handedly.
Rahab…a woman who saved the lives of some scouts in Jericho. She became an ancestor for King David, and eventually Jesus. That woman was brave…and she overcame a lot.
Judith…killed an enemy King, saving her people (she drove a tent spike through his head…see Deborah in Judges…same story line). That woman overcame a warrior man…serious butt kickage.
I could keep going, but you get the picture.
Apparently the Bible is incorrect. Even though women may be physically weaker than men, they are much more than the baby makers that all Abrahamic religions allude them to be. Don’t believe everything you read, ESPECIALLY if it claims to be absolute truth.
@xpudding - You certainly pay testament to the idea that women are much, much SMARTER than men.
LOL Dan, you’re such a tool. I think that you have a degree in Psychology…you just know how to push everyone’s buttons. On one hand, you have the Men who read this and see “I need to standup for men because I can see the tongue in cheek style he’s using…and he’s just really trying to bate me.” And then you have the women who really feel inferior and have to make up for it by justifying themselves by their periods. Then you have me who just finds all of this funny.
Well, I guess the passage is talking about husband and wife relationship. There seems to have little point of starting discussions on who is stronger than whom.
@misuriver - LOL! She’s mellowed much with age, so I have taken up her combat boots and feral desire to combat ignorance, idiocy and misinformation wherever it occurs!!! ;D
@TimothySassone – I’ve messaged you, since I have no desire to justify any more of Dan’s posts with coherent replies (that he clearly has no interest in.) Also, his ignorance astounds and disappoints me…over and over again. He is an attention whore and nothing more.
Please – can we all stop feeding the TheologiansCafe Troll? PLEASE?? He’ll go away if we don’t feed his ego anymore…
i’m on site for moms and what a lot of the women talk about is their so getting sick and expecting the woman to wait on them hand and foot and if the woman get sick (this is in the cases of the sahm a lot of the time) they are expected ot continue as though they aren’t sick, continuing ot clean, cook, take care of the kids and everything..
Yay!! You’re a retard. I’m glad I was bored today and decided to read this. It’s always a big confidence booster to know there are people like you in the world. Helps me remember I’m not the dumbest person around.
Maybe men have to appear to be tough because that’s what we expect of them?
I would never be unsympathetic if I actually saw my boyfriend get sick (he claims he get sick all the time but I never see any symptoms).
@Koolou - Fair enough point…damn controlling feminists!
I think part of strength is endurance. Until you’re able to endure the pains that women go through, don’t judge them or reflect upon their strength.
Both men and women in history have shown tremendous strength and capability. This is really just another sad attempt to inflame the gender war (which, btw, can never be “won”; too much fraternizing with the enemy). As a woman, I am offended by the assumption that women are weaker. Even if you take out the “childbirth factor,” society shows us that women have suceeded to the same level as the most sucessful male, and this takes strength. Even in some of the most physical professions and sports, women have, time and again, proven their mettle.
As a person, I am offended by “all” statements (all men are this; all women are that). Use of such generalizations offer a solid argumentative hole in many of the comments.
I really hope that you get the chance to take a Psychology of Gender course (particularly because of your prooftexting). I did this semester, and I’ll never look at men/women the same way again. God didn’t CREATE men and women differently; but they seem to be different after the Fall. Presently, there aren’t clear cut gender differences; look at the research.
Open your mind, please.
@Blades_Of_Athena - Why thank you.
God made them dumber than men too. ^.^v
Physically “weak” is one thing. Mentally “weak” in an entirely different story.
I’m also not sure how there’s a correlation between missing work with a broken foot and women not taking care of their men. Maybe women are just smarter and know that taking care of a broken foot will keep it from healing with a deformity.
A part of maternity leave is establishing the bond between the woman and child. Men are increasingly receiving the same benefit, as well. So if a man goes back to work right after having the baby, according to your thought process, that means he does not care to share a bond with the baby, nor feed the baby naturally, which could possibly make him a deadbeat in a different form.
The bible is a story left to be interpretted by the reader. Its words are also left to be spun by the reader any which way the reader wants. The reader also is making a choice to use a story someone else wrote as a guideline to how they live their life, based solely on their subjective interpretation of the words. I’m sure I’m missing something here but seriously, you can do better than that
women so often hear “weaker” and think of weak and strong in terms of better and worse. that’s not how i choose to see it. yes… i had a baby… and yes… i felt like a bad ass afterwards
but in so many other ways, i am the “weaker” vessel. i intentionally married the best man i knew… the wisest and the strongest… and it would be nonsense for me to try to assert myself above what i respect so much. in regards to taking care of each other when we’re sick, i’d probably agree with that study, based on what i’ve seen. however, my husband is so rarely sick, that when he does finally shut down… and realize that he needs to rest and take a break, i very naturally want to take care of him. i know he’s serious when he finally decides to stop. i on the other hand have a crappy immune system… so i tend to catch whatever happens to be going around… and yet… he’s still sympathetic.
@misuriver - Hmm.
@urendiMaleldil - AMEN.
@gods_greeneyed_girl - ”God didn’t CREATE men and women differently; but they seem to be different after the Fall. Presently, there aren’t clear cut gender differences; look at the research.”
Oh ok. I guess Jesus was lying then in Matthew 19:4 when He said: ‘”Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’”‘
@iscaphia - Dude. I’m afraid for you.
@gods_greeneyed_girl - @Koolou - There you go prooftexting
Thank you for using the very tool I talked about in my first response! Take any part of Scripture out of context, and you can warp anything to say what you want it to say. For example, anti-abolitionists used to prooftext and use Ephesians 6:5-9 as support for their opinions.
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ…”
Now, we can see that Ephesians 6:5-9 does not condone slavery because we have stepped beyond cultural and temporal bounds. When I say “Open your mind,” I mean take ALL of Scripture as God’s Word for the sake of advancing the Kingdom in a given time and place. When God created male and female, the world was “good.” After the Fall, the original states of men and women were corrupted. I would argue that male domination and female enmeshment are unfortunate results.
I’m glad that you’re passionate about this, though. It’s good to have some conversation about this! I really do appreciate your input
@big_fat_stupid_ugly_seal -”your assessment that women are morally weaker is wrong. saying that an entire gender is less moral than the other is just ignorant.” It isn’t just my opinion, it is that of quite a few women (and men) who I’ve spoken to about this.
But please don’t misunderstand. I’m not saying that women are automatically more sinful or evil. I believe it is a choice, or series of choices that many women choose to make. Just as many men choose to be jerks. Perhaps being argumentative and manipulative, etc. is just easy for women, I don’t know.
“you are right that we have different roles, but to say that the female’s ”unscrupulous, manipulative, and evil” role is different but equal to a man’s role is just ridiculous.”
Woah, woah, woah. Again, that’s not what I’m saying. I think women may be morally weak
“I think you need to have a talk with God or something, because it is not His word that is teaching you that.”
Uh, hello? Not everything that is true or can be be learned is found in the Bible. It is logic, common sense, experience and the insight God has given me that teaches me and helps me to discern the truth.
Btw, I don’t see you acknowledging or even attempting to refute the rest of what I said in my post. Convenient no?
Do you also deny that men are and have been continually portrayed in the media for years now as imbecillic, incapable, and morally inferior to women?
“Think about all of the manipulative men in the world, who lie and coerce their way into the pants of women who think they will be getting love in return.”
Oh paleease! Tell me you did not just say that! Men being manipulative? That’s hilarious. Women know men have high sex drives and desire sex. And it is generally quite apparent when a man is just after sex, don’t try to act like it isn’t. And why, because often men don’t care if women know. Usually they make their intentions plain.
And what are these ‘evil’ men desiring that you say they are being so manipulative about? A little love and tenderness? At worst, a one night stand? Not that I advocate that.
What do women want when they manipulate?
“I am not saying that men are more immoral either,”
Yes, actually I think that’s exactly what you are saying.
“but your claim that women are weaker morally is way off.”
Its not merely my claim at all. That is what the Bible says as well; (See 1 Timothy 2:14.)
“Sounds like you’ve had a rough time with some women, but don’t let your hard heart judge those who don’t have bad intentions.”
No, like so many men, I’ve been the victim of feminist American women’s multi-faceted agenda to usurp power in relationships and in society by making men to be weak and themselves strong.
“p.s. I don’t see what physical strength has to do with pain tolerance. This is just silly.”
I didn’t say physical strength = pain tollerance.
@Koolou - I’m sorry for you… that you’re so judgmental. Life must be hard when you don’t like any opinion but your own.
You took it out of context because Jesus was talking about men and women as being complimentary partners; not unequal opposites.
“”I would argue that male domination and
female enmeshment are unfortunate results.” Male domination and
‘female enmeshment’ as you put it are the results of mankind’s
sinfulness and not how God created relationships to be; provided by
‘male domination’ you mean men being overly dominating and
unnecessarily harsh rather than loving and cherishing his wife.”
-unfortunately, if Christian men were as completely wonderful and protective of their wives (since we’re obviously unable to think without men–sarcasm) then why is “conservative religiosity currently the second-best protector of wife abuse”? (Mary Stewart VanLeeuwen, Gender & Grace). Women are far from perfect, but so are men. I think that both genders have the ability to lead as God leads them.
“God is a God of order, as the entire Word of
God testifies to. Do you disagree? And in every single instance of
organization of beings their is an order. Including in heaven with the
angelic host. So why then would God create the situation for men and
women to perpetually struggle for power and control when everywhere
else He establishes order?” —I most definitely agree; it’s called general revelation. God is on top with humans below Him. God doesn’t rank men over women the way you are assuming.
And yes, Eve was referred to as being Adam’s helper while things were perfect; but that is exactly my point. Things aren’t perfect now, so people (men and women alike) should acknowledge the fact that exclusive male leadership is far from perfect as well.
Happy Holidays to you, too! I hope that you got to carve the turkey to exert your manly power over the women in your life
@gods_greeneyed_girl - ”I’m sorry for you… that you’re so judgmental. Life must be hard when you don’t like any opinion but your own.”
Thank you for revealing your true self. I see. So I’m judgmental and a egomaniac? And what is that (false) judgment of me based on? What I said is based the Word of God and on my opinion and observation & experience. You are the one who is claiming I and my statements are false and invalid remember?
“You took it out of context because Jesus was talking about men and women as being complimentary partners; not unequal opposites.”
No He was not. Jesus was talking about divorce. But in so doing He addressed the issue you were speaking about.
You said:
“God didn’t CREATE men and women differently; but they seem to be different after the Fall. Presently, there aren’t clear cut gender differences;”
And Jesus said they were created differently from the beginning.
“why is “conservative religiosity currently the second-best protector of wife abuse”?”
There are so many flaws in that statement, I really do not know where to begin. So, you’re trying to say that your statement somehow means that the majority of Christian men support or engage in wife abuse? Lol.
“I think that both genders have the ability to lead as God leads them.”
Sure, anyone can be a leader, look at Hitler. There are good leaders and bad ones. And being able to do something has never meant people should. But God created and ordained men to be the leader in marriage, in the family and in the community. Don’t like it? Find a new god. This one desires submission and obedience.
“I most definitely agree; it’s called general revelation. God is on top with humans below Him. God doesn’t rank men over women the way you are assuming.”
Again, you do make blanket statements without expounding on them. What is ‘general revelation’, and how do you believe it justifies disobeying God’s clear (and repeated) commands and established order?
“And yes, Eve was referred to as being Adam’s helper while things were perfect; but that is exactly my point. Things aren’t perfect now, so people (men and women alike) should acknowledge the fact that exclusive male leadership is far from perfect as well.”
Wow. So the “times have changed” is your justification eh? That argument sounds familiar…
But the Bible says: “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” And the Apostles Paul and Peter both command (from the Lord) that wives are to submit to their husbands, and not to lead over them in church.
“Happy Holidays to you, too! I hope that you got to carve the turkey to exert your manly power over the women in your life “
And you be sure to chop the carrots & tomatos really small.
I think that god created man stronger than woman so that woman would need man therefore the fate of the world wouldn’t fall apart!!!!
no.
being weak is strong. up is down.
therefore, God created women stronger than men.
there are physical differences between men and women. being physically stronger on the whole (men) is overrated. being able to multi-task (women) is much more useful since we’re not living in the stone age.
I love how the TheologiansCafe reaches into his hat of tricks and never fails to pick out “chauvinism” as the bread and butter topic. Controversy sells. What a cheap, yet effective, way to draw readership after the layover from the Thanksgiving holiday. Nothing like pissing off dim-witted quasi-feminists to get the page hits. How’s the money from the google ads treating you? quit your day job yet?
The TheologiansCafe: catering to the lowest common denominator since 2005.
@Koolou - ”It isn’t just my opinion, it is that of quite a few women (and men) who I’ve spoken to about this.”
well first off, sometimes people are wrong, and this happens to be one of those times for you and those who share this opinion with you.
“But please don’t misunderstand. I’m not saying that women are automatically more sinful or evil. I believe it is a choice, or series of choices that many women choose to make. Just as many men choose to be jerks. Perhaps being argumentative and manipulative, etc. is just easy for women, I don’t know”
in this case, if you’re saying that women more often choose to be manipulative and men more often choose to be jerks, then they are both equally immoral.
and you did say that women are often more unscrupulous, manipulative, and evil than men, so don’t try to go back and say you didn’t.
“Uh, hello? Not everything that is true or can be be learned is found in the Bible. It is logic, common sense, experience and the insight God has given me that teaches me and helps me to discern the truth.”
you’re right, not everything that is true or can be learned is found in the Bible. But your argument has nothing to do with logic or common sense. It is just you basing an opinion on a few people you talked to, and radical feminists who are trying to control you. here is something that may come as a shock to you: not all women want to control you. in fact, most don’t. But we would like equal respect. Not equality in everything, but at least in respect, which is something society has very rarely shown women. And saying that one gender has a tendency to be more immoral than the other just does not make sense. In that case, why are most people in prison male? females never get caught? yeah, right.
“Btw, I don’t see you acknowledging or even attempting to refute the rest of what I said in my post. Convenient no?”
sorry, what did I miss? there was the women are weaker physically, (which I agreed on, obvious), the part about women being weaker morally, because a few women have honestly told you it is true……then you went on to say that it’s okay though because women are more emotionally and spiritually in tune. emotionally, yes I can see that, spiritually, no probably not. That all depends on your walk with Jesus, not your gender. and you also said that women are more likely to be “evil.” and that their vaginas are as insensitive as their hearts..?
and this is insight God gave you?
okay you present me with one bible verse completely taken out of context, whoopee. I can pretty much make anything look true if I take a verse of the bible out of context.
“Do you also deny that men are and have been continually portrayed in the media for years now as imbecillic, incapable, and morally inferior to women?”
WOW. like the Simpsons?
how about how women are portrayed as objects of sex all over the media? that we are worth only as much as we are beautiful? that we are stupid, weak, and irrational?
“Oh paleease! Tell me you did not just say that! Men being manipulative? That’s hilarious. Women know men have high sex drives and desire sex. And it is generally quite apparent when a man is just after sex, don’t try to act like it isn’t. And why, because often men don’t care if women know. Usually they make their intentions plain.”
women know men have high sex drives and desire sex, but we also know some men can see past those sex drives and actually love us as Christ loves the church. unfortunately, those men are VERY hard to find. and no, since I am not a man, I do not know exactly the way a man thinks so sometimes I don’t know what his intentions are. Just as you don’t always know what the intentions of a woman are. and yeah, everyone ussually makes their intentions plain. in happy skippy fun time perfect land…
“And what are these ‘evil’ men desiring that you say they are being so manipulative about? A little love and tenderness? At worst, a one night stand? Not that I advocate that.”
how about using a human being as a means to an end? both men and women do it. a lot. hence, the world is not a perfect place. I doubt serial killers, rapists, and wife beaters are just looking for a little love and tenderness.
“”Sounds like you’ve had a rough time with some women, but don’t let your hard heart judge those who don’t have bad intentions.”
No, like so many men, I’ve been the victim of feminist American women’s multi-faceted agenda to usurp power in relationships and in society by making men to be weak and themselves strong.”
like so many women, (like since the beginning of time) have been controlled, oppressed, and ridiculed by a society that feeds women these lies to make them feel subservient to men. yeah femiminism is growing, because women want to be treated with the same respect, but hello, women do not control the world or even want to control the world, just as african americans don’t. And a lot of white slave owners thought they would if they had equal rights.
“I didn’t say physical strength = pain tollerance.”
that comment was directed towards TheTheologiansCafe, not you.
I will be praying for you.
yes, im not going to pretend that god did not make us physically shorter, weaker and smaller. as unfortunate as it is, if we were still animalistic, women would just be captured like prey when wanted and treated like pets or slaves
thank god we have evolved , but in some places this still occurs.
Give me a break. Women are weaker than men in every way. You know what hurts worse than periods? Getting kicked in the sack. Women don’t have that kind of pain. Do we cry about it for 5 days? No. We get back up and beat the shit out of the jackass that did it.
Childbirth? Please. Nowadays women get doped up and numbed up. They don’t feel a thing and they have no idea what the hell is going on. You know what a lot of women did before that kind of technology? They died. Why? Because they’re weak.
Men have higher pain tolerance across the board. Women have to sit out and nurse themselves if they hurt. I smashed my thumb today with a wrench. It turned black and bled. It hurt like hell. Did I stand there and coddle it for 10 minutes? Did I drop everything and find an ice pack, a band-aid and a tampon? No. I said a swear word and I kept on doing my job.
Women don’t have a higher pain tolerance, they have a higher pain threshhold. This means men feel pain at lower levels than women. This is because women’s brains are broken and don’t realize something is painful until it’s too late.
Illness. Women bed themselves with every sniffle, and have an annurism everytime they think they feel a lump in their breast. Men can work through any kind of illness if they have to. Stranded in the tundra, dying of cancer? A man would still build a sled out of ice, and lasso a polar bear to drive it with a rope made out of his own hair. A woman would give up and draw pictures of baby seals in the snow.
Stronger emotionally? Every woman I’ve ever known freaks out and falls apart at the stupidest shit. Women are the definition of emotional weakness.
Women can’t do anything without the help of men. Men are stronger than women. At everything. Yes, God created it that way because Men are the ones who will get the job done, and it takes extra strength to fix all the crap women screw up.
@niez_cho -
i totally agree!
@Koolou - ”So, you’re trying to say that your statement somehow means that the majority of Christian men support or engage in wife abuse?”–I am not. I am simply saying that of all of the domestic abuse out there, religiosity is the second-highest predicting variable. Therefore, I suggest that automatic male headship is silly; why should greater authority be granted to the more violent-prone person in any relationship? Lol.
Hitler was a good leader with awful intentions. Also, he was a man. Men can be just as corrupt as women, suggesting that no one gender should always be considered superior. This God DOES require submission and obedience… TO HIM! Nowhere does it say that men are superior to women in intelligence, ability, etc. Deal with it.
General revelation is the way God reveals Himself to all people –believers and unbelievers– through creation, nature, and the orderly way of things. Read Augustine’s City of God or any contemporary theologian, really. God’s clearest commands are that we are to love others, but love Him above everything else. His most direct orders are not to belittle women, but they are the complete opposite! We are to love one another without being gender-specific… in HUMILITY.
“Wow. So the “times have changed” is your justification eh? That argument sounds familiar… But
the Bible says: “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for
teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that
the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” And
the Apostles Paul and Peter both command (from the Lord) that wives are
to submit to their husbands, and not to lead over them in church. ” –So you support slavery? Tisk tisk. Who’s to say that this Scripture isn’t suggesting that we rebuke and teach the people who twist Biblical texts to suggest that men are eternally and universally dominant over women? Times HAVE changed… read Ecclesiastes. Or look through history. Remember when Christians used part of the Psalms to support geocentrism? I suppose that you would suggest that heliocentrism is unbiblical as well.
As times change, so do our interpretations of Scripture. God wants us to seek wisdom and be humble enough to change our opinions in light of His omniscience. I used to assume that men should dominate, but it was because I was brought up to believe it. Once I chose to think for myself, I saw a better way. God doesn’t want us to judge anyone based on demographics…
Galatians 3
“There are neither Jews nor Greeks, slaves nor free people, males nor females. You are all the same in Christ Jesus.”
Cooking is a talent, not a gender-specific task. I didn’t cut a single tomato or carrot because it’s not my thing… My dad is a chef though, so we like when he cooks.
the answer is very simply, no.
yes. physically weaker. because we’re mentally superior, so if we weren’t physically weaker, we’d never listen to men.
oh wait… i still don’t listen to men… 
but you know… God also made it so that men die first…
The Bible does make it appear that women are weaker than men. I think we’re more impressionable and emotional, so therefore we appear weak. But we have strengths, just as men have strengths and weaknesses.
My mother takes very, very good care of my father when he gets sick. And about men having low pain tolerance; it’s true – I’ve seen it in my dad. Also, men would be less likely to survive many of the natural things women go through.
don’t stereotype!! Some men are very sympathetic, some women are very sympathetic: and vice versa; some men are pansies and some women are tough as steel - physically men and women are very different, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, EVERYONE is very different. i hate categorisation – is it not possible that we’re individuals, with individual levels of sympathy, tolerance and other thresholds?
I believe women are stronger than men.
Physical strength comes easy to men, but so does everything else powered by testosterone, such as anger.
Women have bigger hips than men, so if they just learned how to move their weight around, they would have stronger lower-body strength than the average male.
Women must wade against the tides of society to make something of themselves.
Today’s women have the double burden of being economically successful while strategically raising their children.
Women have a larger pain threshold than men do.
There is a thing called Women’s strength. I don’t know much about it, but my mother has a lot of it, and it’s frightening. She will overcome death to keep her children alive and well. If that’s not strength, I don’t know what is.
The reason I wasn’t sympathetic to my father and am currently not sympathetic to my boyfriend, when they were/are sick is because they are such babies about it.
It’s a scientific fact that women have a higher pain tolerance than men, so if my boyfriend is whining about a bump on his leg from a soccer game or a stuffy nose, I just don’t take it all that seriously because when the same stuff happens to me, it’s no big deal.
As far as God is concerned, I think people take the whole biblical concept of “the weaker sex” way out of context. Men are logically supposed to be the protector because they are generally stronger than women, and it is socially decided that men are the providers of the house. I think that’s all the Bible meant.
“and you did say that women are often more unscrupulous, manipulative, and evil than men, so don’t try to go back and say you didn’t.”
Yes. I did. You are. Because you CHOOSE to be. Not because you have to be.
“It is just you basing an opinion on a few people you talked to, and radical feminists who are trying to control you.”
Actually you are almost all radical feminists today. Don’t lie and say they aren’t.
“here is something that may come as a shock to you: not all women want to control you. in fact, most don’t.”
Oh, because you say they don’t eh? Based on the evidence yes, they do want power & control.
“But we would like equal respect.”
“Not equality in everything, but at least in respect,”
But aren’t you trying to legislate respect, and demand ‘equality’ in every area of life?
I’m sorry, but a. that is legalistic and b. it is an illusion that doesn’t work in the real world.
“which is something society has very rarely shown women.”
-Ah, so now we get to the heart of the matter. You have been led to believe that women have been persecuted by men through history by traditional gender roles so that justifies what you are doing now, isn’t that the truth? Your problem is with traditional gender roles themselves?
God made men and women for different roles in life. You just don’t like it as it was prophesied in Psalms 2.
And look at what’s happened to our society in the years since feminism started? Are you trying to tell me it just died out? I don’t think so. It got quiet, biding its time, while subversively attacking men choosing to see them as women’s enemy and gender roles created by God as limiting and oppressive. -Which they then chose to see as justification for their agenda.
“In that case, why are most people in prison male? females never get caught? unlikely.”
1. Women are more cunning and crafty than men are. And they are good at not getting caught and manipulating circumstances and especially men. Also, women stick together alot more than men do; due primarily to their common goal. 2. Men have been sabotoged regarding their morality and from learning to be healthy, confident, balanced men, husbands and fathers by women for many years now. What a surprise? A lot of those kids end up in prison. Men are strong & powerful. All the more reason to raise them right and give them the benefit of a healthy upbringing and confidence of being secure in their sexual identity; instead of trying to manipulate them into being something they are not and becomming insecure about their sexual identity.
“okay you present me with one bible verse completely taken out of context,”
Actually I’ve provided several bible verses. But once again you make that claim without providing any evidence as to how I supposedly have done so.
I’m so tired of people like you who attack other’s posts, while playing the victim yourselves, and choose to respond to the points you want to, and accusing the other person of all kinds of indescretions in order to try to justify ignoring the statements or the person making them.
“I can pretty much make anything look true if I take a verse of the bible out of context.”
I’m sure you can. Thanks for the admission. Personally I believe in that.
“WOW. like the simpsons?”
No, like virtually every tv show that’s been on television for at least the last 15 years.
“how about how women are portrayed as objects of sex all over the media? that we are worth as much as we are beautiful? that we are stupid, weak, and irrational?”
Well, I don’t know what tv or movies you are watching because that’s not what I see today.
However, even in the movies there it is rare to find an intelligent, healthy, competant, capable, masculine & self-sufficient male lead who isn’t mocked, or who doesn’t have some kind of effiminate ‘Oprah moment,’ or eventually need to be saved by a woman or gets his ‘comeupins.’ Rather most of the time men are portrayed in the worst possible light.
Meanwhile, more and women are being portrayed as super-intelligent, ridiculously physically strong, capable, confident, masculine and feminine and self-reliant.
“and yea, everyone ussually makes their intentions plain.”
Oh ok, I appologize lol. You’re claiming ignorance as to knowing how men think and how most men’s minds work now. I see.
“how about using a human being as a means to an end. both men and women do it. ”
Ah, so is that how you justify it then? Except that you know better, and with men they are desirig love or at least affection. Women choose to manipulate men knowingly and purposefully for things they do not need.
“like so many women, (like since the beginning of time) I have been oppressed by a male dominated society that feeds women these lies to make them feel subservient to men.”
No, that is the lie you were fed since you were young. The real problem you have isn’t with men but with gender roles, the differences between men & women and ultimately with the God who made you and caused it to be that way.
“I don’t know where you live but out of all the relationships I know I can only think of one family where the female is dominant over the male.”
Well then you must live in Utah.
“religiosity is the second-highest predicting variable.”
Hahaha! What?! You must be a student (most likely at a liberal college, as if there’s really any other kind today.) Psych 101? Geeze.
“Therefore, I suggest that automatic male headship is silly; why should greater authority be granted to the more violent-prone person in any relationship? Lol.”
Well that kind of ideology is great for philisophy and for destroying civilizations, but not too good where the rubber meets the road I’m afraid.
So what you are saying is that men are more violent prone, (though we are physically stonger, which comes with the territory); so rather than try to help men become a good & balanced healthy masculine man & leader; you think the physically weaker woman should wear the pants in the relationship? Thereby causing both your husband and any male children you have to become effeminate and insecure and even MORE prone to violence. Which is the real reason why so many men in this country today are angry, insecure, then becomming violent and sexual perversion.
“Also, he was a man. Men can be just as corrupt as women, suggesting that no one gender should always be considered superior.”
But you are suggesting that very thing! You (along with the majority of other women in this country and the media’s subversive propaganda are saying exactly that. That women are superior to men.
“God DOES require submission and obedience… TO HIM!”
Amen. And Christ said that if we love Him we would obey Him.
“Nowhere does it say that men are superior to women in intelligence, ability, etc. Deal with it.”
The only one saying they are superior to anyone regarding intelligence is women saying men are inferior to women. That is not the issue. -ut nice try.
And there has never been any other example in the Bible regarding relationships and society (exceptions not withstanding) than for men to be the leader of the family and in the community.
General revelation is the way God reveals Himself to all people –believers and unbelievers– through creation, nature, and the orderly way of things.
“General revelation is the way God reveals Himself to all people –believers and unbelievers– through creation, nature, and the orderly way of things.”
I don’t need to have read some other person’s opinion and interpretation of the Bible. See the Apostle paul already clearly said that in Romans 1:20.
“His most direct orders are not to belittle women, but they are the complete opposite!”
Lol. Who is talking about belittling women? Don’t you get it? No, you don’t want to understand. You’re trying to justify your rebellion against God and His commands and His extablished authority and order by playing the martyr and saying that traditional gender roles in marriage, men and society are oppressive to women, which is completely ridiculous and contrary to scripture as well.
“–So you support slavery? Tisk tisk.”
So you admit then that you are rejecting God’s clear commands for men and women in marriage and society because you believe them to be ‘slavery?’
“Times HAVE changed… read Ecclesiastes.”
Ecclesiastes is talking about the changing seasons. Although it, like other places in the Old & New Testament do say that times can become evil. In fact, Psalms 2:1-4 addresses tha very subject:
“Why do the nations conspire
and the peoples plot in vain?
The kings of the earth take their stand
and the rulers gather together
against the LORD
and against his Anointed One.
”Let us break their chains,” they say,
“and throw off their fetters.”
The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
the Lord scoffs at them.”
Gee, I wonder who is prophetically mentioned here as desiring and trying to “break off their chains?”
“As times change, so do our interpretations of Scripture.”
“Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.” – 2 Peter 1:20 & 21. And again: 2 Timothy 3:16.
“I used to assume that men should dominate, but it was because I was brought up to believe it.”
“Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it.”
“Once I chose to think for myself, I saw a better way. God doesn’t want us to judge anyone based on demographics… “
Ah, then you learned better, hmm? You are sinning by selfishly & legalistically desiring and seeking what they do not have and what does not, nor ever has belonged to them, but which belongs to oth ers; in this case, men.
“There are neither Jews nor Greeks, slaves nor free people, males nor females. You are all the same in Christ Jesus.”
Yes, in Christ. Not on Earth, in Christ. Or perhaps you believe Scripture contradicts itself? Because in
In Matthew 12:25 it says: “Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.”
Which is why God establishes clear authority and has established order for men and women in marriage & in society, (See 1 Corinthians 11:3-16, Ephesians 5:22 & 23, Colossians 3:18 & 20, 1 Timothy 2:11-15.
I definitely don’t think so. When we’re born, we’re all little babies, weak, vulnerable, innocent, and equal. I think that as we grow up, we learn these stereotypes that women are naturally weaker and men are naturally stronger. But we also learn the hardships that women went through just to obtain a similar status in their social life that men had and easily maintained. “Stronger” and “weaker” are debatable terms. Men are stronger physically but that may be because of pressure and the assumption that weak men might as well be called “girls,” which is considered an insult. However, women were forced to be weak also because of pressure- the cult of domesticity back in the Industrial Revolution greatly exemplifies that pressure. Women doing hard physical labor were considered un-womanly and below the status of women. Men had to work through the fluctuations of jobs and to always be the one providing the money.
If considered emotionally, or characteristically, that is easily controversial. Women have grown from their previous generations’ experiences and have definitely grown much stronger- they have stronger voices. Women can now fight against the men equally; the whole idea of a woman submitting to a man is no longer a widely accepted idea. In history’s point of view, did God create women weaker than men? No way in hell.
@ColonelSanders - I’m not going to comment on anything you said except this- women nowadays DO have babies without being ‘doped’ or ‘not feeling anything’. I gave birth to my son after over 10 hrs of intense labor without pain medication or drugs of any kind. I went to a midwife to have my child; and studies show that midwifery is increasing; more women are choosing natural childbirth over medical interventions. Midwives are not licensed to administer drugs, therefore, women assisted by midwives do not have painkillers during labor. I have friends who were in labour over thirty hours, and had no meds of any kind.
I know that some women cannot bear the pain of childbirth and ask for epidurals and c-sections. But there are plenty who do it the old-fashioned way and do NOT die … I was back on my feet and doing my housework two weeks after having my son. Please don’t stone all of us because you know a few ‘babies having babies.’
XD i don’t believe in god honestly, but don’t look down on woman, they can do thing men can’t do! Example, going to the female washroom! XD ^.^
……apparently you haven’t heard the saying, “anything that can bleed for seven days and live is the strongest thing in the world….that would be us.
i think some men are stronger physically…but i can beat most guy my size at arm wrestling…women are stronger emotionally..but men have more endurance..im talking about if a guy and a girl did the same things everyday..not like 1 is a lazy bum and 1 works out . …women will only endure more pain if it for beauty =] when girls get waxed they dont scream as much as a guy does.
for a while i thought women were weaker in all areas. we’re supposed to be submissive to our hubbies, right? sure ok, fine. we all have roles in life and i’m ok with that. i’ve actually read that guys are more of the romantics in relationships. when a husband and wife divorce, often times, the man remarries sooner than the women. this is because they really need to be close to someone. i’ve read that a man’s closet friend is his wife, so when that’s gone, they have to find someone else. not saying that’s always the case, but we have all our strengths and weaknesses.
Physically weaker…. but Emotionally STRONGER! WE (WOMEN) ARE! =P
lmao acutually men are emotionaly stronger and physically stronger do you think women could of went trew the passed wars wich it was way worse then the one in the middle east they had to endure great suffering think about it thats a dumb statement and far as the men being stronger of course we are and women being tolerate to pain more then us is not true go read a science book or something men can take more damage then women and survive and the birth thing women were chosen to do that it dosent make you strong if you did it with out crying id call you strong god made women give birth because if they dint men wouldent need them think about every thing you see today was a men’s idea he built it he inveted it back to the religious point of view im not sure in the english bible but the one i read it simply says men is the head of the house a women can disagree with him but she will have to do what he says its simple im sick of the femminist make men inferior when we made this world now you dont need us? ahahaha ok if we go we just going to have to take every technology we ever made and you would be living in the stone age
@bb_x_swt_x_e - and um its not individually dumb azz if you get a healthy men and a equaly healthy women and train them at the end the men is going to come out stronger your body is not built for strenght your upper body is weak your heart is smaller you get tired easyer and you are slower so really its no argument
@cokeaddict - you say women are smarter then men o really? why is it that the computer and the internet and the key bord and the electricity your using right now is a mens invention not to metion the alphabet is a men who made it your so retared look at all the famous smart men out there eistein and shii your so stupid everything in this society a men built it if it wasent for us you would be living in the stone ages men made the study of science math history all of it american society is built by a men this equality for all that you all love is bullshi
@jonnyboy27 - oh wow! when you untie that knotted mess of underwear that’s shoved so far up your tight ass, maybe you’ll remember that in this world there’s this thing called humour. i could gather up the list of all the technological advancements that were achieved by women to rebut you, but it’s not worth it and i’m not that petty.
sheesh.
by the way.. just as an fyi… it doesn’t help that your comment is littered with spelling and grammar mistakes when you’re trying to tell someone else that they’re retarded (which isn’t very politically correct).
@cokeaddict - i agree!! =]
@cokeaddict - women are not even worth a spell check if it wasen’t for pussy you guys would be put to death and its funny that you would have to look up a women inventor that just proved my point women did not built anything great lmao thank you for agreeing with me that you guys are useless and another thing how are you trying to sound intelligent with a name like cockhead stick to what you know… sucking dick for coke lol you give your drug dealers hand jobs to get a little sniff of coke and you come in here trying to sound smart on a fucking website lmao you nasty ass ho take your pills bitch your herpes is acting up
@cokeaddict - bitch that is the stupidest thing a ho can say your over looking history men made art they made music and technology there are no women that is best at anything and look at all the famous scientist its all men i cant name on bitch haha we are stronger and more creative the only reason we keep you around is for babys you cant even raise a child just give birth to it
I was also reading the Bible and found Peter’s word sounded… weird. And I didn’t like that at all. However, after reading comments on that I feel I have finally understood it. And it’s quite simple. I guess when he said “weaker” he actually meant “more delicate”.
I googled this and found:
1Pe 3:4 Peter speaks of a woman’s ”hidden person of the heart with the incorruptible adornment of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God” Although all of us should be ”tender-hearted” (1Pe 3:8), a woman is generally more ready to be so than a man —and this strength is paradoxically her weakness. Her virtue of gentleness leaves her vulnerable to abuse and in that sense ”weaker” (1Pe 3:7). Peter goes on to say that”even if you suffer for righteousness’ sake you are blessed” (1Pe 3:14). But surely no decent man will exploit this vulnerability; rather, he will understand and honour his woman because of her noble virtues.
credits: http://www.simplybible.com.au/f211.htm
So for being more delicate and tender-hearted a men shall not take any advantage of this, but love his woman because of that. This has surely nothing to do with a broken foot or endure physical pain
In Genesis 3:20, the scripture verse says Adam was without a “help meet.” According to, God’s Word to Women (2005), The word help meet has two-part meaning in Hebrew. Definition of help: aid, helper, protector,and succour; definition of meet: “corresponding to, counterpart to, equal to matching.”
If we examine the text in Genesis 3:20, clearly it is understood that Adam could find no suitable counterpart as his equal. God saw this. Though in Genesis 3:20 doesn’t mention God saying it isn’t good for man to be alone, it’s implied by the subsequent scripture verse 21. God saw man needed an equal, and woman becomes man’s counterpart.
Woman was on equal grounds with man until the fall in the Garden of Eden. After Eve fell prey to the guile of the enemy is when man was given rule over her (Genesis 3:16). There are several schools of thoughts concerning Man and Woman created in the image of God. We read in Genesis 1:26, God created both Male and Female in his image. When we examine the physiological make-up of man and women is where their physical anatomy differ. God formed man out of the dust of the ground and breathed air into man’s nostrils subsequently woman was formed out of a rib bone of man. Woman was fashioned or shaped by the hands of God. Albeit, there’s nothing in scripture to indicate woman was the weaker vessel prior to the fall. As the result of the fall came the curse, tipping the natural harmonious balance between man and woman.
Man and Woman shared equal responsibility even after their fallen state.
Segregation of the both sexes truly began under the rule of King Xerxes in Esther 1:10-20, when King Xerxes commanded his Queen Vashti to array herself before the dignitaries and princes of the king’s banquet. Queen Vashti refused King Xerxes and instantly his anger and pride overcame him. Later, King Xerxes counselors influenced the king to dethrone his queen as a symbol of respect for all husbands who were now decreed above their wives. Now God does have a holy and divine order for husbands and wife, man and woman, but as the result of the fall the perception of this order on man and woman was tainted.
Timothy 1:2-4, says the woman was the one who transgressed; she was deceived. When God set the holy divine order between man and woman; husband and wife, it wasn’t meant to delineate the social status of woman, but to protect her from falling prey to beguilement. Adam was there in the garden right beside Eve when she fell into sin. And, Adam partook of Eve’s transgression. So man wasn’t let down easy, either. Man has to toil the land all the days of his life. A major husbandry role is placed upon man, and he must till the end of this age toil with his hands.
Yes, there are physiological differences and psychological differences in both men and women; both were created equal with the same purpose to be: fruitful and multiply; replenishing the earth. The definition of weaker vessel in this sense speaks of the woman’s vulnerable nature to deception.
Cherish Bird