October 3, 2009
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The World Was Created 6,012 Years Ago
On October 23 of this month, the World will celebrate its 6,012 birthday. The author of the greatest history book ever written is saying the world was created on October 23, 4004 B.C.
You need to get the book if you homeschool your children and they like to read history. Here is the link: Link
If you had to guess, how old do you think the World is?
Comments (225)
6.5 billion years, give or take 6.5 billion.
2 years old
@KikeLikes - damn you!
4.6 billion just as modern science says.
I couldn’t even begin to guess such a thing.
I’d guess that it’s as old as time itself. God created it, after all. ^^
@striemmy - I’m with him.
Millions or billions. It is ridiculous to think anything differently, in my opinion. I would like to know how that man explains dinosaurs and fossils.
dinosaurs used to run this shit.
HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA
That’s about right… possibly a little older.
I dig.
Everyone knows that the world was created last Thursday. Duh.
Older than me.
I don’t know how old the world is, it is getting older by a second as I am typing this comment.
I’m impressed that even though this is the first translation of the book into English, and it is described as an “important literary work that has been inaccessible in book form for over 300 years,” it is a “favorite tool of homeschooling education.”
@crazy2love - Dinos and animals co-existed in the Garden of Eden, remember?
….And if you believe that, you’re stupid. LOL.
Depends on what you want to use to measure its age and when you believe it to be fully “created”.
A LOT older than 6,012 years…
@abilene_piper_lg - That doesn’t say anything about how old the bones and fossils are. I don’t read the bible.
18 years old.
As long as it is older than me I am good.
Who says I have to guess? According to the idiot who wrote that book, his side thinks they know. I’m sure they’re very comfortable thinking that.
@crazy2love - Of course it doesn’t. It’s just the excuse that young-earthers make. Then they go off on some garbage on how unreliable radiometric dating is and whatever and I just can’t help but laugh.
@abilene_piper_lg - hahaha =]
God created it, he would know, we wouldnt.
stuff like this scares me – so many people striving so hard to return to the middle ages
trippen
I usually shoot for about 10,000 total years.
Hold on, let me jump in my time machine and check…
*Loud crashing noise*
…
*Another loud crashing noise*
WHEW! Wow, those dinosaurs are rascals!
Anyway, yeah. I went back 10k and I met up with Adam. He said he was about five years old.
Nice guy.
maybe a bit older than 6012 years…
At least twice that.
if you use the Bible as a guide, its genealogy records, you come up with about 6000 years. So thats what i go with.
@crazy2love - Yeah, you laugh but people really believe that shit. It sickens me.
Based on the overwhelming evidence, I would contend that is was 6-7 thousand years old.
Old enough to die.
A whole hell of alot more than 6012 years old
Almost 30, for me.
To be honest, I think the world was created by God billions of years ago. But I don’t know any of us can know for sure.
Tangent: I wonder how many homeschooled children become scientists, and what they come to believe if they do.
15 years old.. Nobody lived before me, duh.
@Uek - they was da boss! >:3
Around 4.6 billion years old, just like the rest of the Solar System. I find it amusing that they feel that they can pinpoint the date, though.
@lauracake - I don’t mean to be offensive in anyway… so please don’t get upset…I appreciate and admire your strong faith in God but it is a personal belief and in my oppinion should not be stated as a fact… much like the age given to the earth. There is no way to accuratly measure the age of something that has been for much longer than us. All we can do, being the curious beings that we are, is estimate.
i think those number you said might be close. we already know from mount st. helens that it doesn’t take millions of years to fossilize something. but hey, if you want to trust scientists with all the answers, go for it. after all – they were there, right?
If the Bible were really so great and so accurate, would it need people like this to “clarify” it and make up more bullshit about it, and then pass it off as history and science?
I think not.
Not sure about the world but I think the universe is ageless – has always existed and always will.
I roll with my boys, the Scientists, on this one.
Are you really that fucking dumb?
@supercool33 - Lol.
It’s exactly 43 years, 5 months, and 12 days old.
(The world began when *I* was born.)
The world was created when I was born, so 30!
Dude, 6012 years? Please tell me no one actually believes that =|
With a degree in history, I am actually curious enough to want to read this book. It’s probably terrible, but it would be terribly interesting, if nothing else!
Over four billion years old according to modern science techniques - which have an error bar of less than 1%.
I haven’t heard of that book in forever. My guess is that the world isn’t as old as some people say it is, though.
<3, ~*Akarui Mitsukai*~
I would guess that it’s really, really old. I’m not religious and I’m not a scientist, so I don’t really see how the exact age affects my daily life.
@Ex_Adyto_Cordis - According to what I’ve been reading/hearing over the past 5-7 years, science has been proving more of a margin of error. :/ Makes me sad to realize so much that was stated as fact once is now being proven false by their own means. Interesting time for study, though.
<3, ~*Akarui Mitsukai*~
my guess would be about that, to tell you the truth. although i doubt that guy really knows the exact date
I was going to guess 10 billion. lol Then I thought of cheating and looked it up. Well, at least I shared my guess first.
@KikeLikes - you were close…
links to scientific age of the earth –
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dalrymple/scientific_age_earth.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth
@Eternalimplosion - @abilene_piper_lg - You know, the bible doesn’t actually say anything as to the age of the earth. I consider myself a devout follower of Christ, and I think the earth is millions and billions of years old.
The hebrew text of the line “In the begining, God created the heavens and the earth” actually uses the word “Reshit”, which means ”At some point”. Basically, “At some point”, God created the earth. Some time later, he took 7 days to prepare the earth and create man. THEN, if you dig into fossil records, you’ll find that man has been around for the 7 to 10 thousand years that the bible talks about.
@abilene_piper_lg, you seem to be an atheist… so you may find this info interesting, even if you don’t believe in the Bible…
@abilene_piper_lg - right on!
@nodnarbassoon - i like this line of thinking. it’s true, believing the Bible does not mean believing in a young earth.
Uh, what? The world was definitely created on MY birthday 19-ish years ago!
@nodnarbassoon - perhaps 7,000 years. definitely not millions. i take creation literally. Day means day. The Bible has a lot to say about the age of the earth, tells you how old Adam was when he died and everything.
@galadrielspitcher - besides, none of us were around back then. who are we to say anything about it?
I just hate it when atheists pull this one… and get all defensive against young-earth christians. The bible actually works with science quite well, and people need to stop being shortsighted. The bible also says nothing against microevolution. Macroevolution, however, would not quite work with biblical theology, to my knowledge, but as far as I know, there’s no proof that one species can become something completely different.
And people wonder why I won’t write letters of recommendation for Bible believers to be admitted into university or graduate to study science…
October 23rd? I’ll bet October 22nd was a cold, dark day then…
@nodnarbassoon - true. while i lean more towards a young earth, i would not be surprised in the least to find out it really was much older. i guess i’m on the fence between creation and theistic evolution.
@Eternalimplosion - I take creation literally too. I personally believe that the earth was created by God, and then prepared in literal 7 days for Man to inhabit it. I believe that Genesis 1:3 takes place quite some time after 1:2.
But you believe what you do, I’ll believe what I do…
If you’re interested, check out this sermon from my church… http://www.marshillchurch.org/media/doctrine/creation-god-makes
I don’t necessarily agree with EVERYTHING he says, but it is definitely enlightening.
@galadrielspitcher - check out the link above, if you have the time.
If that really is the greatest history book ever written, why has nobody bothered to translate it until now?
Also, at this point in my life, I’ve become pretty darn sure that the world was created the minute I was born.
That’s right, I said it.
God created it. I can only guess at about 11, 000 to 15, 000 years.
I’ll put my faith in modern scientific calculations in this matter (approximately 4.5 billion years, give or take a 100 million years).
I’ve always thought about that; between 6,000 – 10,000 years old at the oldest.
Older than it was a minute ago!
I’ve never met anyone who was there at the time of creation so I will take a wild guess and say that it’s just like me. The Earth is old enough to know better and young enough not to care.- just like me.
As far as I know, its almost 21 years old. I can’t vouch for any more time than that.
@abilene_piper_lg - Thank you…I am always so amused when I see these debates…Yay, science!
I believe in a young earth… Less than 10,000 years. I won’t say specifically 6,012 but definitely much younger than the billions of years that “science” proclaims it to be.
Judging from so many of the comments, I would be inclined to think that solipsism is on the rise.
But then, if it is, then it’s only because I deemed it so.
I think that’s how that would work.
One cannot measure the moment of coming to awareness in words or symbols or conceptions of time. If we cannot measure our own awareness, how can we account for the scope of a universe?
I try to not form opinions about things I know little about.
Oh, WorldNetDaily, a constant source of amusement.
@SirNickDon - lulz
well the bible dosent really say how long it was before god created human life so the earth itself along with all its dinosaurs and prehistoric things could be realllly old but as far as human life goes you know a couple thousand years or so. I want to check out the book tho just to see how he came up with that exact of a number and what its based on.
I think the world is somewhere between 6 and 10 thousand years old…………….. wait………. let me put my brain back in…………… Sorry about that, 4.6 billion years old.
6000 – not quite 7000 years ago
WTF
At least 5 billion years, probably more.
@Kristenmomof3 - People believing that shit is the reason reason why I (generally) don’t recommend anyone save for atheist/agnostics/etc for admission into university to study mathematics or science.
I don’t know, when did God create it? That’ll answer the question.
@abilene_piper_lg - wow, that’s rather rude.
@abilene_piper_lg - I am quite good at math
@dancesmilelaughwithme - It is my prerogative to withhold recommendation from anyone for any reason.
@Kristenmomof3 - OK then, I’ll give you some easy undergrad-level questions. What does the modularity theorem state? Care to enlighten me on how to prove Goldbach’s Conjecture? What’s an isomorphism?
@gwacemom@momaroo - me too!
Dan, you were just asking for an evolution debate to break out on this post.
And I am so game.
Around 6,000 sounds about right.
Unless you think that about 178.24 trillion (is that right? The world gets about a billion years older every year, so it’s hard for me to keep track.) dust that hadn’t existed yet randomly collected into a ball due to an unknown force, then this ball of nonexistent dust blew up and ABRA-KADBRA…The Universe!!!!
That makes perfect sense! Yay “modern science”!!!
@abilene_piper_lg - HAHAHAHAHA. Ok, whatever.
@Like_A_Tigah - Refer to statement above. You’re the reason I only recommend atheists/agnostics/other non-theists for admission to study math or science at the university or graduate level.
@Like_A_Tigah - right on
@abilene_piper_lg - haha…I am quite good at math that is applicable to my life
addition, subtraction, division, multiplication and accounting
The background I was raised in it is not common to go to school past the 8th grade. I have no interest in your college questions.
At least (Unlike way to many people nowdays) I can do all the math I need to in my head or on paper…I don’t need calculators like it seems everyone needs now days.
Explain to me how these “children” who are supposedly so smart and go to college but yet they don’t know how to make change and need a register to tell them how much change someone should get?
@Kristenmomof3 - Then you aren’t good at math. You admit you know nothing about REAL mathematics.
I always said when it comes to calculators and whatever…I’m a mathematician, that means I work with letters, not numbers.
@dancesmilelaughwithme - You don’t believe me? Yes, it is my right to refuse a recommendation for whatever reason. I’m not required to give anyone recommendations whether they ask for them or not.
@abilene_piper_lg - HA…you just want to define math to mean what you want it to mean.
ask teachers what students learn in school…it is math.
The thing is if you need a calculator then you haven’t actually learned your math facts.
The crap you think is “math” is really pointless stuff that people don’t use in the real world.
But then again I think many people who think themselves so great with their college educations are actually quite dumb and should get some real world education.
But if your college stuff is so important to you well then have fun at it.
But remember without farmers and truckers and all the people who have real world knowledge you either wouldn’t eat or wouldn’t have time for the crap that you think is important now if you wanted to eat. So maybe you should be nicer to the farmers of the world
@Kristenmomof3 - Without us mathematicians REAL SCIENTISTS (and not “creation scientists”…no such thing exists) would be lost. So yes, the math we do does have application. There goes your theory.
By the way, I’m perfectly capable of hand and mental calculations of a lot of shit.
@abilene_piper_lg - HA
@abilene_piper_lg - I’m sorry. Not sorry that I’m the reason, but sorry that someone would listen to your recommendation.
@Kristenmomof3 - Yeah, laugh at the guy who has a 160 IQ and knows his shit. That makes you look VERY INTELLIGENT let me tell you.
@Kristenmomof3 - You go girl!
@Like_A_Tigah - Now why is that? I’m an expert in math and science. My recommendation from me as a math/science education professional carries a lot of water. I know more crap than anyone with just an undergrad degree has a right to know (will have probably about three doctorates by the time I’m done, mind you). So yes, my recommendation does mean something, because it’s so hard to get.
@abilene_piper_lg - IQ means nothing if you don’t have common sense.
I will consider you smart if you can take care of all your needs without anyone elses help if necessary…otherwise you are just someone that dies of starvation if others don’t get your food for you. At that point all your fancy theory’s aren’t going to do crap for you.
@Like_A_Tigah - What can I say….I normally don’t do this….but tonight is just one of those rare nights
@Kristenmomof3 - I’m perfectly capable of supporting myself, thank you.
ahhh no October 23 is MY birthday
You know, the earth could have been hanging around for quite a while, how do we know by testing the earth since there was no such thing as time until God started it when He formed the earth. If earth was around before time even existed, that would support science saying the earth is billions of years old. The honest fact is though that nobody knows for certain how old the earth is…or world, however you care to look at it. Where man and his flesh go astray with their reasoning and scientific facts is just assuming time has always existed how we use it. To God there is no time, time just is. One hour to us could be 10,000 years to Him. So arguing how old the earth is, is pretty much a useless argument except to just discuss possibilities. Arguing about it and just getting down right ugly doesn’t solve anything except the two arguing are clueless! I’m satisfied that God created it at a time He planned….or maybe a better word could be brought the earth to life.
@abilene_piper_lg - Key word: crap. Your recommendation only carries water for people that already know or want to know the same crap you do. It wouldn’t mean anything for someone that wanted to go to college for art, or criminal justice. Or clown college. Which, might I add, would be much more enjoyable than being an expert in math or science.
And maybe it’s hard to get because you only give it to someone who thinks the same as you. A semi-bright atheist gets a rec for Harvard, but the brilliant Creationist can stick to his community college.
Sounds smart: deprive the world of a great scientist because you don’t agree with his beliefs. Good thing that didn’t happen to Louis Pasteur or Isaac Newton. Heck, if it weren’t for them, you probably wouldn’t have much of a job.
Besides, I didn’t say I wanted to know anything about your recommendation. I just said I was sorry someone would listen to it.
A little bit more than 17 years old.
Yo God. I know you are creating the universe, but I just wanted to let you know that Sega made the best Genesis of all time. – Kanye
Earth is 4.5 Billion years old. Our universe is 13.7 BYO.
@Kristenmomof3 - Yeah, the same for me. I usually stay away from debates and such, but for some reason, tonight I was kind of hoping some math and science whiz wearing a skirt would want to debate me.
…That can’t possibly be true.
I really don’t care. However old it is it is that age. I am not gonna fret my brain over some silly fact as that.
@Like_A_Tigah - If you’re seeking recommendation from me, you’re wanting to go to college or graduate school to study mathematics or science. I’m to attest to only those abilities, or and not artistic, law-enforcement, abilities, or your ability to goof off. Pasteur and Newton were around well before evolutionary biology really took off, so them I’ll offer a bit of leniency to.
For all who are interested: here is a list of all my requirements to receive my recommendation.
It’s still in beta testing, actually. As usual, actual release date keeps getting pushed back.
@Like_A_Tigah - It’s called a kilt you dolt.
Older than all of us, I’m pretty sure.
January 15 1986
A little over 23 years.
That doesn’t seem like it could be right.
i think it’s a lot older than that. a looottt
Whatever science proves it to be. I like concrete evidence, not a book of stories.
@KimisBarbie - It’s nowhere near right. Our best dating methods that have less than a 1% margin of error date the earth at 4.6 billion years old (plus or minus 40 million years…the 1% margin of error).
Maybe 6 or 7 thousands. Base on known history.
@crazy2love - Basically the way he would probably explain it is like this: Fossils are created from a sudden burial. This can be demonstrated and explains why so many fossils exist of things like animals fighting, upsidedown trees traversing multiple layers of rock strata, etc. Did you ever wonder why there are even fossils of softbodies things like jellyfish or plants? Why would they not simply rot and be broken down unless they were buried suddenly be a tragic event such ad a rockslide or a flood? A flood would also explain the layering effect we see as we dig down into the earth. If the flood were a global cataclysm, it might also explain why we see marine life fossilized at the tops of mountains and provide a possible explanation for phenomena such as the Grand Canyon as well as the waters of such a flood receed, being aborbed into the atmoshpere, etc. Furthermore, if such a flood took place, then it would certainly provide a reason why we see stories in virtually every ancient culture around the globe with a story of a great flood. The story of Noah in the Bible, for example. As for dinosaurs, if they existed at the same time as everything else, it could explain the global stories we find of beasts such as dragons. It is not unreasonable to assume that such a model would be possible.
@abilene_piper_lg - Just wonder if those science assumption are invalid. And those billions of yrs. science use are just theory.
@tau_1 - Gravity is just a theory. Your point?
@lauracake - Yes God would and he did give us an answer. stating in Genesis 5:3 thur Genesis 7:5 so from the beginning to the flood was around 1656 year B.C.
Theo, I haven’t read this book but here’s my take on it: Time, for man, didn’t start untill we sinned in Adam. That’s when death came and man started counting his days. We don’t know how long Adam lived before the fall. Maybe millions of years. Maybe the six days were a second creation after what is described in Genisis chapter 1, verses 1 and 2. I don’t know how much creationist science you know about - So when God said “Let there be light”, He was creating from Earth’s point of view. A shroud covering the Earth was removed so the Sun’s light could be visible from Earth. The Sun was already there, It just couldn’t be seen. After the great flood the Sun’s radiation effects began, that’s why man’s lifespan has been shortened. So Adam live his years recorded in the Bible after the fall and so on in the genealogies up to today.
@abilene_piper_lg - Well, gravity is a fact. This can be explain.
@designandart - very important point of reference. Genesis 1:1 starts the beginning of time. And we are presently living day by day of this cycle. It has not change.
@tau_1 - I agree, the cycles of the Earth began then but like I tried to state, man didn’t mark time until the fall.
@UnworthyofHisgrace - Time itself is God’s creation. Space, too.
@tau_1 - Oh, ok. Interesting…
@designandart - Exactly! But to someone who doesn’t believe in God, you can’t tell them that
@Legendairy - And carbon dating isn’t accurate.
@designandart - Well, in the case of Carbon dating, Carbon-14 dating is accurate to about 4,000 years. After that, there is just not enough of the isotope to get a precise measurement that could be effectively used.
@abilene_piper_lg - A teacher who is only looking for his best students so they can go to a top college and create something new to help the world, ignoring his/her other students is not doing his/her job. But will all you “smart” guys make a better world with all the math and science? Just look at all the trouble on Earth to answer that question. Math and science have been around for a long time but the problems in the world seem to be increasing.
More specifically, John Lightfoot (a watchmaker) said that the world was created at 9 a.m. on Sunday, October 23, 4004 BC. This claim was made between the years 1809-1859.
@designandart - So you’re blaming all of earth’s problems on math and science? Lovely. Just shows how much of an idiot you really are.
I look after all of my students, thank you. It’s just that I only recommend the ones that have aptitude in mathematics and science for admission into university. Part of being a scientist is accepting all the tenets of modern science, and evolutionary biology is one of those tenets. You reject evolutionary biology, you reject one of the foundational principles of science. Why should I recommend someone to study math or science who rejects one of the most foundational principles of science? I shouldn’t.
The earth? 5 billion, give or take. Personally, I can only vouch for the past 30 years or so.
@nodnarbassoon - If evolution is a fact then why are there still chimps? If we evolved from them then why are they still here? Just a question.
@designandart - Your lack of understanding of evolutionary biology is truly sickening.
@abilene_piper_lg - No, of course not. Math and science though, doesn’t seem to be solving A LOT of the world’s problems today.
I’m homeschooled and we have that book . . . I haven’t read it yet though. I’d rather listen to history on tape.
I’m with Archbishop Ussher, give or take a few years.
I read a description of how he came up with the date of the creation of the world. It was very interesting and seemed like it was probably pretty accurate.
as old as whatever the figure is for the current budget deficit !
@akarui_mitsukai - Yes, science does make errors sometimes, but I would be surprised if science has not been improving over time. As for the accuracy of finding out the earth’s age, the American Institute of Biological Sciences states that with “modern, extremely precise methods [of dating], error bars are often only 1% or so.”
@designandart - That was basically my point… kinda… a little far from it, but it’s under the umbrella… Macroevolution (one species becoming another species) is a little stretchy. However, we do know that microevolution (small changes within a species, usually caused by environmental adaptation) is fact. Microevolution happens all the time, and does not go against the Bible.
@nodnarbassoon - That’s true, we are getting taller, and the birds in Darwin’s observations…
@abilene_piper_lg - your attitude is truly sickening…
How about some courtesy for us idiots who are so ignorant as to believe a flawed piece of fiction? The very least you could do is pity us, and try to educate us properly…
Please don’t stick all homeschoolers with a religious, young earth creationist label. In our park group, the book most widely read and positively reviewed in the last several years was written by Richard Dawkins. Yeah, that book. As for my sons, they are aware of the Hebrew creation myth and creation myths of many other cultures, but would not consider basing science on any of them.
@designandart - “If evolution is a fact then why are there still chimps? If we evolved from them then why are they still here?”
Dogs evolved from wolves and wolves still exist, but nobody denies that dogs evolved from them. Just because one species exhibits changes doesn’t mean the other has to undergo an equal degree of changes. From what I know, many ancient creatures like crocodiles haven’t changed much at all for millions of years.
@Ex_Adyto_Cordis - Yea, an example of microevolution, but not macroevolution.
@designandart - whaaaaaaat? math and science created the computer you’re typing from, the car you drive to work… YOUR WORK. the building you live in, the building you work in. GPS. phones. television. clothes, clean water, air conditioning. you can blame the earth’s problems on math and science like you can blame them on food and shelter.
i’m an engineer, so your rejection of math and science makes me sick. i’m working my ass off in college so i can give you a better life and you tell me that what i’m learning CAUSES problems? get a grip.
@harmonyminusmelody - I didn’t blame any of the Earth’s problems on math or science.
In the Paluxy River there is a layer of Cretaceous rock that has human and dinosaur tracks in it. I personally have not seen these tracks, but I have seen the other dinosaur tracks in the river bed.
I do believe that the model used by Dr. Carl Baugh to explain the pre-flood world is pretty good. He logically explains the ecosystem of that world, so I have no problem believing that the earth is younger than “scientists” say it is. Baugh believes that a layer of hydrogen ice surrounded the planet, blocking out harmful ultraviolet radiation. Scientists using carbon dating can only be precise with carbon-14 to dates no older than 5,000 years. After 10,000 years, the numbers never balance out, which is why Dr. Leaky destroyed artifacts by exposing them to carbon-14 until he got number he already decided on was right.
I wish I understood this part more perfectly than I do. In one lecture I attended, Dr. Baugh explained that there were some residue of some kind of element that had a half-life that could only be measured in milliseconds. It could have only existed at the moment of creation. It has been over ten years since I heard that lecture, so I do not remember the name of the element in question. I only know it existed briefly, and that was at the moment of creation.
One other thing about the lecture by Dr. Baugh comes to mind. I never keep the term straight, but it has to do with electrical fields. In hydroelectric plants, water spins the turbines that spin something else and electricity is generated. The earth rotates on its axis and generates this field that, I guess, keeps the atmosphere from leaking out. Hydrogen ice conducts electricity, so at one time the earth had a stable electrical field. For some reason, the field has been weakening and scientists can measure it. The hydrogen shield was destroyed at the time of the biblical flood, and at that moment the earth’s electrical field began weakening. It was at its most efficient 5,000 to 6,000 years ago. If you go back 10,000 years, the field would have been too strong and life could not exist.
From what I do understand about the book, there were some errors regarding the dating, which is why Christ was born in 3 BC. There is a three year error somewhere.
How old is the world? Less than seven thousand years old and more than five thousand years old.
Check out the Creation Evidences Museum in Glenn Rose, Texas.
who can fathom God’s power? I’m of the belief that modern science can be right about things like this and evolution without contradicting the truth of God’s existence and sovereignty as creator of the universe.
I wish everyone didn’t fight so rabidly about stuff like this. People have the right to believe whatever they wish too.
I would personally take the word of current scientific estimations, if I had to. But knowing how old the Earth is seems like something that would be very difficult to know.
The universe as it is now came into being about three years ago on the whim of a teenage girl with a very active imagination.
(You are cool if you understand this reference.)
@abilene_piper_lg - yeah, that sounds right to me. I’m not a scientist or anything, but i’m pretty sure the world was not created in a week.
I’m not sure how old the world is. I’ve thought about it, and that’s my final answer – I do not know.
@abilene_piper_lg - It is frustration that a lack of understanding creation is sad also. The question is: Do evolution and billions of yrs., or creation in six 24-hr. days? Science method(big bang) or energy and matter by a (creator).
@designandart - And you are correct. each day is half light and half dark, equal one day. and the even and morning wee the first day. Genesis 1:5 this is the beginning of time and space, that we live with.
@Legendairy - also in the book by Dr. Willard Libby, the discoverer of the c14 technique, notice a problem.
He stated that If the earth is older than 30,000 yrs. c14 and c12 would be in a steady state of equilibrium with each other.
He also stated that the problem is that they are not yet in equilibrium
@tau_1 - Science is verifiable, testable, and falsifiable. Religion is based on faith. I’ll take the former.
As such, those who reject evolutionary biology will never get my recommendation for admission into university or graduate school to study math or science.
@wordwarrior39 - thanks for the information!!!!!!
Sometime assumption by scientist in dating is most objects are comtaminated, that can alter the dating technique to give an error date. ther is no closed system to work with.
The Earth was created 30 seconds ago… with the appearance of age.
@designandart - Macroevolution is microevolution on a longer, larger scale, since microevolution documents the small-scale changes of a species and macroevolution documents large-scale changes of life in general. But if you want evidence of one animal evolving into another, how about the well-documented evolution of reptiles into birds over 140 million years? Here and here. Note that one reference is the American Institute of Biological Sciences and the other is an accredited university.
@wordwarrior39 - http://paleo.cc/paluxy/mantrack.htm
@Queen_of_You188 - What if you don’t believe in said “God”?
6.5 billion years. Believing that the earth is only a few thousand years old is preposterous, when there’s clearly fossils older than that.
The world is a lot older than 6,012 years I think. I personally would say it was created billions of years ago.
I thought that October 23, 4004 BCE was when our written history began, not when the world was created? (I think I saw it in a documentary once.)
It kind of broke my heart to see people put the word science in quotation marks. I love science.
The world is around 4.5 billion years old.
I really don’t care (though I tend to lean more toward an old Earth). All that matters is that God created it.
I’d say…. just about Dans age. ;]
Over nine thousaaaaaaaand!
@abilene_piper_lg - What university? The university of confusion!!!!! Basic science is testable, however evolution is just a theory that been in existance for yrs. From High school to College,it always been a theory.
I know that your premise that the idea of a designer(God)outside the world of nature is unacceptable to the majority of evolutionists. so be it.
The bible teaches that eternal god created the universe, and He did so by and through and fro his only son, the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no missing links. Only God created time and gave it to us though history.
@tau_1 - Well, 1) you have no proof that your “God” exists, 2) if in the fat chance he DOES exist, your “God” is the biggest asshole I’ve ever read about. We have fossils and radiometric dating on our side. You have mythology and blind faith on your side. Hmmm…I’ll side with the former.
Gravity is just a theory, so what’s your point?
@Ex_Adyto_Cordis - Can you please define, What is Micro and Macro Evolution?
We as human being are different and we come from one set of parents. There are many types of dogs, trees, corn, that come from the same family.
@TheGrandGalacticInquisitor - What fossil are you talking about to prove your point? Science can prove that something died, however, they can’t prove the orgin of life.
@abilene_piper_lg - And you are correct, I have faith. Your words are error about fossil and about carbon dating. Gravity is not a theory, it can be proven.
Again, Science can only prove that something died, however, no proof of life, only assumption and speculation.
And for you to be so educationed, your presentation and behavior shows an inmature child like behavior.
@tau_1 - Tell that to any TRUE scientist and they’ll laugh their ass off at you. (Yes, any TRUE scientist, there is no such thing as a scientist who is a creationist…there’s a reason a growing number of universities are revoking science degrees from creationists, and why I won’t ever recommend a creationist for admission to study math or science at the university or graduate school level).
I am educated (not educationed you idiot), I was just stating in the most eloquent way how I felt about your useless “God.” The Bible is easily the most disgusting book I’ve ever read in my life.
@tau_1 - “Can you please define, What is Micro and Macro Evolution?”
Certainly. According to dictionary.com, microevolution is “evolutionary change involving the gradual accumulation of mutations leading to new varieties within a species” (ie. the different sizes and colors of dogs but all remaining one species). Macroevolution is a “major evolutionary transition from one type of organism to another occurring at the level of the species and higher taxa” (ie. lions and tigers [species level] or sheep and goats [genus level]). Micro involves animals of the same species whereas macro involves animals of different species, genera, etc.
“We as human beings are different and we come from one set of parents. There are many types of dogs, trees, corn, that come from the same family.”
By one set of parents you mean Adam and Eve? I can prove that false by first providing a link to the American Institute of Biological Sciences stating that modern dating methods have error bars of less than 1%, then providing evidence that humans descended from an ancestor of the great apes. Unless you claim that Adam and Eve were the first pair of single-celled organisms, or perhaps the first pair of nuclei?
@venomxcupcake - i feel ya
Many people here are saying things like, “if it’s in the bible, it must be true.”
religious people seem to believe they have the answers without needing to do the research because the bible says so.
How closed minded is that?
(remember: the religious used to think the universe revolved around the earth)
the real answer is that we will never know the exact date because we were not there. We can only make a scientific guess based on our research.
Well, I think God created it, so whenever He did, that’s how old.
@abilene_piper_lg - Exactly. That’s why it doesn’t mean anything to anybody that doesn’t want to discover new twists to put on the hypothesis of evolution, or whittle away their life with crunching numbers.
“Evolutionary biology?” Could you please explain that term to me? I just want to make sure it is what I think it is.
@abilene_piper_lg - No, no, no; you’re supposed to say “It’s a kilt, not a skirt!” Then you would sound like the Grinch when he yelled at Max.
@Like_A_Tigah - Evolutionary biology is the study of evolutionary patterns and population dynamics. Pure and simple.
And I don’t care what I’m supposed to say. You’re a being of inferior intelligence. You’re an embarrassment to the human intellect and I’m ashamed to be of the same species as you.
@abilene_piper_lg - I apologize for my behavior. I had forgotten in order to converse with a man of your caliber, I am expected, and rightfully so, to use at least three words exceeding ten letters per sentence. I was simply using the “skirt” reference as a mere test, to see what your reaction to such a derogatory comment would be. I should have expected that a man of your stature undoubtedly has no time for such meaningless banter and tomfoolery. I will ecuse your extremely necessary comment and resist the urge to say something along the lines of “Well, good thing we arn’t the same species, because from my planet, men wear pants,” or perhaps “If you represent the ‘human intellect,’ then I’ll wear my badge of embarassment proudly,” or the more simpler “Right back at ya, Chief.”
Now, let us skip this back-and-forth battle of the tongue, and get to the heart of the matter. “Evolution patterns,” you say. Patterns of what: humans? Animals? Both? I personally have never seen anything evolve, nor have I seen solid proof of anything evolving, so how could there be patterns of it?
Unless they refer to what has already taken place millions of years ago?
@Like_A_Tigah - You’re so set in your mythological (stooping to your level for a second) BULLSHIT that I’m not even going to waste my time with you. I’d rather be educating someone who’s truly interested in learning scientific facts, not someone who would rather live by the stupid rules of a religion and worship a “God” who doesn’t deserve to be worshipped in the first place (the Biblical “God” is the biggest quite frankly ASSHOLE I’ve ever read about in my life) that you don’t even have one shred of evidence for the existence of.
I was homschooled, and i didn’t think that i liked reading history. However, my mom was smart enough to just hand me a book without saying, “This is history.” So i probably would have enjoyed that book then, and i still would enjoy it now.
How old is the earth? Like any of us could really know. People can scoff at each other all they want, but i scoff at the people who think they know.
@abilene_piper_lg - You seem like you’re well-educated, but you talk to other people like you’re an asshole. I’d have a lot more respect for you if i saw you showing respect for other people. Your beliefs may or may not be correct, but your opinions would seem more worthwhile if you showed more respect. Believe it or not, someone could be wrong without being stupid. They might actually listen to you if you didn’t insult them.
@Ex_Adyto_Cordis - Thank you for the link. Very helpful.
@abilene_piper_lg - That is highly ethical of you. I am sure that someone of your educational background is the most sought after brainiac of our time. Oh, so highly educated that the bible is “the most disgusting book” you have ever read. At least you have read one book. And all you learned was anger, hatred, and unethical behavior from it.Must have had Anton Levay’s name on it. I guess you are angry and bitter because people do not bow down to your scientific genius. I guess you are bitter and angry that people do not worship YOU as god. You sad, little guy… can’t call you a man. You aren’t mature enough for that title. Oh, wait, you were looking for a promotion to god. Sorry, that just isn’t going to happen.
Have a nice life being a monkey’s uncle. You could have been so much more than that.
I would say several thousand I believe the biblical version. NASA proved it before they did the first lunar landing. They concluded from some of the smartest minds that if the solar system was as several billion years old the way the scienctist say that refuse to believe in God the dust on the moon would be several feet thick. If creationist where right and the solar system was created by God then the earth would be several thousand years old and the dust would only be several inches thick. Guess what the dust was several inches thick GOD WINS.
6,012 yrs.?? Did you really say that? When people first meet you, they can call you Dan, but after they get to know you like the rest of us, they can call you d-e-r-f-y. Mega-doh-doh. Your as dumb as straw. Hey, watch out, don’t trip over that piece of paper on the floor, (LoL).
@abilene_piper_lg - Yes just keep on believing that your confused mind came from some primitive organism, I have no problem with that. I know tell scientist and you are not one of them. True scientist call a theory a theory. Maybe the school you claim does this and that in your confused mind. Evolution or creation. Known history or theory?
In your confused mind is a monkey a man!!! 24 hrs days or aeons of time?
I believe in Genesis 24-hr. days!
@tau_1 - Whatever. I’m just laughing my butt off at you. You’re an embarrassment to the human intellect and I’m ashamed to be of the same species as you.
Your knowledge of evolutionary biology is severely lacking too. You also know not the difference between a “theory” in everyday life and a “scientific theory.” In order for something to be a scientific theory it has to have a large amount of evidence supporting it. Until then it is only a “hypothesis.” A “theory” in everyday life and a “scientific have radically different meanings. You’re the reason creationists NEVER get my recommendation for admission into university or graduate school to study mathematics or science.
@catman517 - That argument would work if we actually had gone to the moon, which we didn’t. There’s absolutely no possible way we did.
@Ex_Adyto_Cordis - Well, I believe that Adam and Eve was the first parents. And I believer when they were created fully mature and functional.
I just have a problem with Macroevolution trying to attemp to answer the questions on Where we came from, and how we got here and where are we going without a belief in a designer(God)
@abilene_piper_lg - thank you, not that university in your mind. However, you prove my point about theory or scientific theory they are just hypothesis. What is the Ruchlis explanation of scientifice method? The problem with you, is your refusal to have anyone question evolution as being true, or not being true. Genesis 1:1
@tau_1 - “Well, I believe that Adam and Eve was the first parents. And I believer when they were created fully mature and functional.”
I understand that’s your belief, but it conflicts with scientific evidence that shows how humans and the great apes evolved from the same ancestor. Scientists have discovered that humans (Homo Sapiens) have existed on the earth for about 500,000 years. In addition, scientists have successfully sequenced the chimpanzee genome and found evidence that two chimpanzee chromosomes fused into a single chromosome found in our human DNA – a direct link to a common ancestor. Other evidence suggests that chimps and humans evolved from this common ancestor about six million years ago.
“I just have a problem with Macroevolution trying to attemp to answer the questions on Where we came from, and how we got here and where are we going without a belief in a designer(God)”
Evolution attempts to discover what happens to life once it exists, not the origin of that life (abiogenesis).
@my_final_username - Older than me too!
@Ex_Adyto_Cordis - There are so many differences between man the primates. Why is it that human have permanent bipedal locomotion and primate walks on all four.
Why do human head balanced on top of the spinal column and primate head hinged in front of spinal column. There are many more. One more, why do human have shorter arms and primate have longer arms.
From my research, scientist can explain how, but they have problems with the origin of being.
Have you ever heard of the Nebraska man and Piltdown man?
The overwhelming evidence that life cannot come from non-life is a powerful indication that naturalism is not a realistic worldview.
Life either had a natural origin (abiogenesis),
or a supernatural origin (intelligent design).
The scientific impossibility of abiogenesis is an argument for, at least, a supernatural originator.
The only way to create even the most basic building blocks of life is in non-natural, highly designed, and tightly controlled conditions. That, by itself, makes it reasonable to presume that life cannot begin without intelligent intervention.
@tau_1 -
“There are so many differences between man the primates.”
True. Humans have had millions of years to develop these differences, though. Note that in my last response, I mentioned that humans and chimps split from the same ancestor over six million years ago, plenty of time to evolve in separate directions. Same way that dogs have evolved radically different features from wolves in less than 40,000 years (the oldest fossil dog skull found to date), according to this article in American Scientist.
“Why is it that human have permanent bipedal locomotion and primate walks on all four.”
Because bipedal locomoton saves energy. Humans use 75 percent less energy walkng upright than chimps who “knucklewalk”: Link. This article also explains how early humans evolved longer legs, different hip structures, and thicker leg bones.
“Why do human head balanced on top of the spinal column and primate head hinged in front of spinal column.”
This chapter explains how primates’ spines attach to the posterior (back) region of their skulls because its spine is arched and puts its center of mass (weight) forward, while our skulls are atop the spinal column because our spines put our center of mass over our pelvis, which enables us to stand up straight.
“One more, why do human have shorter arms and primate have longer arms.”
Primates have longer arms because they are designed for hanging around and swinging through the trees: Link. Humans evolved on the ground, not in trees, so we don’t need such long arms for swinging.
“Have you ever heard of the Nebraska man and Piltdown man?”
Yes. Scientists studied the “human” tooth because the doubted that it belonged even to a primate, discovered that it was from a peccary, and published their findings proving the initial interpretation to be false. Scientists also exposed Piltdown man to be artificial. Both took place before much of today’s more precise scientific technology (The Nebraska Man in 1922 and the Piltdown man in 1912).
“The overwhelming evidence that life cannot come from non-life is a powerful indication that naturalism is not a realistic worldview.”
Again, evolution doesn’t attempt to explain the origin of life. As for naturalism, please explain to me what you consider that term to mean.
“Life either had a natural origin (abiogenesis), or a supernatural origin (intelligent design). The scientific impossibility of abiogenesis is an argument for, at least, a supernatural originator.”
I can’t speak for the supernatural origin because scientists cannot prove something supernatural, but I can about scientific impossibility. Scientists actually are close to creating life out of non-life in a lab, according to Wired magazine: Link.
As old as the creatures mind that we exist inside of!
@abilene_piper_lg - First of all, that is not my level. I don’t curse, so that’s one or two below me. Plus, I’m not actually a jerk; only to you, because it seemed like it would be a) fun and b) the best way to debate a jerk is to become one. Know your enemy and all that.
Second, you look at God in a human (an extremely anitGod/Christianity/religion/clowns/common-sense/pants/everything-else-that’s-good human, at that.) perspective, so of course He looks like He’s a jerk. But we asked for everything we’ve been given. Everything bad brought on to mankind is deserved. We started out perfect. God didn’t make sin enter the world, we allowed it to. And even when God gave us a free pass- because He loves us so much, He said “I’ll pay for what you’ve done,”-even then, we still screwed it all up. People just keep on sinning.
Before Darwin, schools taught Creation, therefore they also taught right and wrong, and how God has to judge wrong. Darwin didn’t like that. He wanted to do wrong, with no punishment at all, so he took a crazy, illogical idea his grampa had a ran with it. Of course, everyone else wanted to do wrong and get away with it, too. And finally, here was an excuse; no, a justification! They can do whatever they want, because there is no God! They are gods themselves, because they survived millions of years of random events.
And “scientists” have been supporting it ever since. Always needing new ways, new ideas to try to fill in the holes that keep appearing; trying to stink fingers in all the leaks before the dam breaks. and everyone lets them because they know deep down inside, there will be a day of reckoning. Judgement will come, but this thing lets them forget about that. How else would this hypothesis skip all the proving and go straight to scientific law? I mean, have you ever even thought about it? You are obviously an intellegent man. Don’t you see these holes?
Of course not; you are one of the men that is using all his fingers and all his toes trying to plug the holes. You’re so busy trying to pass this stuff as truth, that you’ve forgotten what truth is.
Of course we can’t prove God’s existance. We were never told we had to. Our entire belief is based on faith. Faith is “firm belief in something for which there is no proof”. Like the wind. You can hear it; you can see it’s effects, but you cannot prove it exists. Many see the effects of God working in lives, but no one can prove He exists. Hmm, “firm belief in something for which there is no proof,” sounds like evolution is a faith too.
I pity you. I pray that you someday you will see the truth, before it’s too late.
@Like_A_Tigah - You’d be one I’d give an automatic “F” in should you have taken any ok my classes. You are so fucking ignorant. Now you know why I NEVER recommend creationists and I never will.
Your claims about Charles Darwin are lies, lies, and nothing but lies and YOU KNOW IT. Not even Kent Hovind (a lowlife, thieving, tax-evading criminal who’s in federal prison where he belongs) makes such claims about Charles Darwin.
Faith is bullshit. Faith doesn’t exist. You just think it exists. And yes, you can prove wind exists because it is empirical, that is, we can measure it with instruments. We can measure the force and velocity of wind. Therefore it is empirical. Man are you stupid and don’t pray for me. As I said, even if I believed in the crap you believe in, I wouldn’t be a Christian. What a waste of a way to live. All those stupid rules.
@abilene_piper_lg - Good thing I was never in your classes.
I know about Kent Hovind, probably a lot more than you do. I’ve been watching his videos since first grade. You just call him names because you wish you could be that smart. He tears your beliefs to shreds.
No, I don’t know those are lies about Darwin. How can you tell someone you know they know something? I thought I was the stupid one. And yes, Hovind does make such claims, at least about it being his grampa’s idea in the first place. He’s also talked about how Darwin himself expressed his doubts in the “theory” on his deathbed.
Faith is B.S., huh? How about when you sit down? You trust that chair wil support your weight; therefore, you have faith in that chair. Here’s one you would know better: when you throw something up into the air, you expect it, or trust it, to come back down. So you are putting faith in the law of gravity. (Wasn’t it a Christian that founded that one? Huh, imagine that…)
Eh, the wind application is an old one, but you get the meaning of it.
I’d love to not pray for you, but I have to. I am commanded to pray for them that hate me and curse me. (My prayer list is a long one…)
Our “rules” are a fence; not to keep us in, but to keep things out. Ignoring these rules have consequences. By staying inside of our rules, we avoid any harm whatsoever, but if we wonder outside of them, problems are bound to come. These rules are voluntary. That’s why every Christian has different standards.
There’s more, folks:
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall … say to the elders of his town, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. – Deut 21
If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. – Matthew 18:7-9
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. – 1 Corinthians 14
Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. – 1 Tim 2
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life. – Leviticus 25:44
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. – Exodus Chapter 21:20
Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to be refractory, nor to pilfer, but to show entire and true fidelity. – Titus 2:9
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. – Isaiah 13
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. – Hosea 13
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. – Numbers 31
So we see a dilemma here. The Bible demands the death penalty for most people. The Bible says that slavery is OK. The Bible fully supports misogyny and self injury. Also, in other places, the Bible is just plain REPULSIVE.
@Like_A_Tigah - Kent Hovind was so smart he had to earn a FAKE DOCTORATE from an UNACCREDITED UNIVERSITY. His degree means NOTHING in the world of academia. He got off light too, 10 years out of a possible 255. He should have gotten every last year of the 255 too. I hope he’s enjoying dropping the soap in there.
The whole thing of Darwin “recanting” on his deathbed is pure speculation and there is NO EVIDENCE TO CORROBORATE THIS. Do yourself a favor and go check yourself into a mental hospital. You and every other religious person belongs in one anyway. Did I mention how absolutely DISGUSTING your Bible is? How do you defend quotes like these:
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. – Ex 31:15
If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the LORD gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the LORD your God in violation of his covenant, and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars of the sky… Take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death. – Deut 17:2-7
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases…you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. – Deut 13:13-19
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods …do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. – Deut 13:7-12
Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. – Lev 24:16
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. – Leviticus 20:9
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife – with the wife of his neighbor – both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. – Leviticus 20:10
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death. – Leviticus 20:13
Here’s one of my favorite quotes: ”A thorough reading and understanding of the Bible is the surest path to atheism.” – Rev. Donald Morgan, Atheologian
@abilene_piper_lg - I never claimed to be super smart but when a person such as yourself acts like he is smarter then God there is an issue. Someday sir you and I will stand be for God at that time all your intell. will be worthless.
@abilene_piper_lg - You remind me of a man who sent his youth on one to many speed trips. Just from your quotes you are a man how for somereason hates God. There is a huge difference between the old testament and the new. After Christ died for each of us things changed. But Gods word never changes it is the same yesturday and today and tomorrow. Your option off cutting ones hand off is a metifore. What Jesus is talking about is the importance of getting into heaven. If you sir have an open heart the Holy Spirit will help you understand the bible when you read it. If you sit down and say” God if you are real show yourself to be as I read your word. I promise you will see the bible in a different light.
Do mutations then produce new life form or improvements in in present life form?
My point is still the same, in known history, minds and yours, There is genetic differences within the families of primates. I believe that when God created, he put DNA in each one of us,. However, man and woman is one kind of creation and primates is another kind of creation. There is no proof, only speculation of primates to man.
When studying scientific information, I found that when a scientist make a proclamations and publish papers that elevate them to truth. And we are forced to believe that science and the scientific method have toppled God.
After further reseach they found out that the Piltdown man was a hoax and Nebraska man was a pig tooth.
Well, thanks for your communication. God bless U.
I will always believe that God form man from dust, not from some prehistoric, ape-like, hominid creature or the primordial ooze. the dust became, by God’s crative design and power, a man; but the man had no life until God breahted life into him. Genesis 2:7, now this clearly shows that man’s emergence from some previous living creature is not true. He came from non-living dust which became, by God’s creative design and power, a man, a man which had no life until the living Gid breathed life into him.
Now this means that man could not have evolved from some more primitive”living” monkey-like creature. People were created by God in God’s own image. There can be no compromise for me as the origin of man. However, I really enjoyed your communication.
We did not come from monkey-like creatures but through the indescribable, unfathomable, supernatural power of the God of the Bible.
@abilene_piper_lg - The fate of a fool
Your concept is what happen before the flood. The abundant knowledge that God had given to them only increased their alienation from God. They became bold in their disobedience and in their deeds of iniquity. They became so atheistic in their thinking that htey adopted a “God is ded” religious philisophy.
“Not desiring to retain gid in their knowledge they soon came to deny His existence. They adored nature in place of the God of nature. They glorified human genius, worshipped the works of their won hands, and taught their children to bow down to graven images.
Before the flood the inhabitants descended so deeply into the pit of sin, that they offered their own off-spring as human sacrifices..
Now my friend, a replay is taking place now.
Matthew 24:37 Jesus actually gave a summary of the major events which would precede His second comeing.. Also in Luke 17:26-27
@MAXIMO - What about known history, that we do have. WE do not have to be a scientic to read known history. And also each day of our life, we live one day at a time, one moment at a time, with the even and the morning is one day cycle. Do you agree with this.And known history has place this time around 6-7 thousand yrs. old. anything other than that is sciientific speculation and theory that may not be true.
@catman517 - “Stand before God.” ROFL. Prove that using scientific evidence.
@abilene_piper_lg - Faith, You can’t see the wind but you feel its comort when it blows on a balmy day. You see the evidence of its power in a storm. That how I define God. People who refuse to ecknowlege God will use science like the big bang to try and justify there belief. Where can you go and produce an exsplosion and produce life, can’t be done.
@catman517 - Wind can be measured empirically (in gael force and velocity), therefore we have tangible evidence of its existence. What a joke. And actually, if you read a few comments on the previous page, scientists are close to creating life from non-life in a lab.
See, you’re the reason creationists never get my recommendation for admission into university or graduate school to study mathematics or science.
@abilene_piper_lg - Yeah, that is sad. And he’s still smarter than you.
Lol: everything about Darwin is pure speculation! Evolution has about the same proof as Creation! (Oh, I can’t WAIT to hear your reply to THAT one!!!)
Those are so easy to defend: it’s called the Old Testament. Those laws for the Jews only. They needed to realize how holy of a God they served. Such laws were made to set them apart from the rest of the world. They needed these laws to help them, and everyone else, realize that they were Jehovah’s chosen people. And as the old saying goes,”They were under the law, but now we are under grace.”
@abilene_piper_lg - 1st one, Old Testament, same as above.
2nd is mostly symbolic. If there is a sin keeping you from living right, then it would be better to cut your hand off, so that you can get right, then to go to Hell with two hands. Sounds right to me.
The ones about women being silent in church is perfectly fine. Back then if a women spoke up in church, it shoed disrespect to her husband.
The rest I can’t really tell you. I don’t have all the answers. But I can tell you that there is a reason for it. You have to understand that if the people in the Old Testament were not members of the children of Isreal, then they probably were a result of sin. Especialy Isreal’s enemies. The children of their enemies were killed because they were all wicked, every last one of them were an abomination in the sight of God. Again, in order for this to not look evil, you have to have the eyes of the perfect and holy Creator.
And seriously, do you use the same conversation starter for every Creationist? “You’re the reason I don’t give Creationsts my recommendation.”
Nobody here cares about your bloody recommendation. Can’t you use something else? Like “Hi, I disagree with you.” Just like an evolutionist to have a one track mind.
Besides, you have more to prove on your side than I do on mine. At least my belief can be traced back to the very beginning. It seems every evolutionist thinks something else started the whole universe. None of which makes sense.
Not to mention, our beliefs lead us to at least attempt to live the best we can, helping others and all that; whereas evolutionist have the worst track record for people. Communism’s main belief: evolution. Evolution is Evil’s religion!
@Like_A_Tigah - Then why do atheist countries have LOWER CRIME RATES? Atheists are the MOST PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS IN THE UNITED STATES, accounting for less than 1% of the prison population while making up approximately 12% of the general population. There are more wars waged in the name of religion than for any other reason.
I don’t give a crap if they were just “Old Testament” they’re still disgusting laws and the fact they were even law to begin with is repulsive.
You confuse abiogenesis and evolution. You so conveniently ignore the link on the first page that shows we’re close to creating life artificially. You so conveniently ignore the law of conservation of matter which states that MATTER IS NEITHER CREATED NOR DESTROYED, which implies that matter has always existed in a constant amount and will exist infinitely in a constant amount. Matter doesn’t have a beginning, according to this law.
Kent Hovind is an idiot who is exactly where he belongs. The sooner we move to a purely atheistic society the better. As I’ve always said, if I believed in your “God,” I’d neither worship nor obey him. I’d go against his archaic, barbaric teachings and I’d be singing my hatred of him all day.
@abilene_piper_lg - I would love to debate you, but you have no interest to do so. All you do is insult me, my belief, and worse of all, my God. It is pointless to waste my time with you.
I will, however, continue praying for you, mostly because it ticks you off. I wish you well in life, because in Hell, it will make you all the sadder for wasting it.
@Like_A_Tigah - Praying for me doesn’t tick me off, you’re just wasting your time, because it’ll do no good. And better to be in Hell, knowing I lived life without all your stupid rules, than to be with you worthless people and your sadistic bully of a “God” in heaven.
I’m not wasting my life. I have no restrictions as to what I can or can’t do. Religion is a life wasted. Being non-religious is to be truly free. By the way, I’m an ex-believer. I used to believe, now I don’t. De-converted officially in college, for the record, though I had my doubts starting from an early age.
By the way, just to show how stupid creationists are, read this letter I got from CSE/Eric Hovind today. Note all of the spelling and grammatical mistakes. Only a true idiot would be able to make that many spelling and grammar errors in one single, short letter.
@abilene_piper_lg - Interesting. Sounds a lot like Hitler. I could see you mercilessly killing millions of Jews, too.
@Like_A_Tigah - No, but I can see myself and a few elite atheists forming our own society where religion is banned. We’d be nothing but a bunch of over-educated people far too advanced for any lower life form such as yourself.
Its as old as the length of time I’ve been dreaming it.
… hey! Just noticed sick_of_dreams comment. All right, sick! Now if I only believed you really existed…
If a scientist creates life it proves intelligent design
1. Ussher was a hack.
2. I’m gonna go with the theory of uniformitarianism (James Hutton) and say that the Earth has GOT to be older than 6,012 years… I mean… yeah…
3. God works outside of our concepts of space and time. ANYTHING is possible.
4. Regardless of how old or young the earth is, it does NOT change the redemptive work of Christ’s sacrifice.