October 17, 2009
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Having 19 Children Vs. Having 15 Abortions
Now before you jump all over this issue, hear me out. I posted twice about the woman who had 15 abortions in 17 years. The woman admitted she had an “addiction to abortions.” She also admitted she had a bad marriage. In other words, the woman was emotionally damaged and just came out and admitted it and then people called her actions and her “sick” and “disgusting.” I bet people would have said most of those same things even if the woman had not called it an “addiction” and described her husband as “controlling.”
Then you have the Duggar family. They are about to have their 19th child in March. They describe each child as a “gift from God.” They are also smiling in the photos. People will defend the couple saying “They don’t use government assistance and take care of their own children.”
Is having 15 abortions a greater sign of mental instability than having 19 children?
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Both are extremes. The difference is that the Duggars seem happy with their situation, so I think the woman who had 15 abortions is far more mentally unstable.
Dear God, that’s hard… but I’d still have the kids.
gah, that’s a really hard question.
God didn’t intend for us to have abortions and be on birth control. Having 19 beautiful, respectful children is a blessing. Having 15 abortions in 17 years is psychotic.
I think they’re both pretty fucked up, really.
Too many kids is either a pathological hatred of contraceptives or overcompensating for some sort of love-related issue. Too many abortions means she just hates the hell out of her vagina.
Having a huge family isn’t “normal” either but it’s neither sick nor disgusting.
Nothing wrong with having a bunch of children…especially if most people aren’t having them.
Dunno. People are just weird like that.
there’s no way to even compare the Duggars to the woman with 15 abortions…
lol @ “here me out”
15 abortions > 19 babies.
the world is overpopulated as it is. *awaits flames*
If you read the Duggars bio on their site, it points out that she had a miscarriage early on after coming off contraceptives. A Doctor told them the miscarriage was because of the contraception and I think that is why they have so many kids, to compensate for the one they lost. The woman woith the multiple abortions is mentally ill. she could have used contraception instead but choose to abort, they is soemthing inherently wrong with that.
I think it’s pretty fucked up to have that many kids. Also, it’s “hear me out”, not “here me out”.
Now, being the mom of eight children, I will be the first to admit that there is a bit of insanity having all these children, but I think we have to look at the quality of the life. The Duggars from all I have seen (which admittedly could be completely different than the reality of their lives) seem to be a stable family with much love surrounding all the children. Some people might find them crazy, but I prefer “different”. I personally could not manage nineteen children, but she seems capable of doing so. They also are self supporting so it isn’t an issue financially.
As for the woman that had the fifteen abortions. I think that the fact that she speaks out on the subject speaks louder than even her actions. She is obviously unstable in many ways.
So, to answer your question; no, having nineteen children is not a greater sign of mental instability than having fifteen abortions in seventeen years and then speaking publicly about the matter.
No, you have to be even CRAZIER to put up with 19 brats.
- Kunoichi
Lol. I think this is a no brainer. But some people are pretty messed up in the head.
Maybe her fetish is just to have vacuums stuck up her vag. Who are we to judge her on her fetish? I don’t get why the Duggars are so popular, my grandma and grandpa had 11 kids,
I think the abortion thing is crazier than the lot’s of kids. But I still think the Duggar’s are weird
The Duggars may seem strange to some, but they do seem happy and healthy.
15 abortions is ridiculously irrational. If your goal is to not have kids, there are much more sensible ways of maintaining that goal. On the other hand, the Duggars’ goal appears to be to have lots of kids–and there is really only one way to do that. So in terms of methods for reaching their goals, abortion woman had many choices and picked the least sensible one, whereas the Duggars are just reaching their goal they only way that there is.
But then in terms of the goals themselves, the Duggars definitely appear to be the crazy ones. But I don’t believe it’s my role to judge someone’s goals, whereas it’s much more appropriate to judge someone’s methods.
Yes, having 15 abortions is a greater sign of mental instability. I mean, you must be crazy to turn down the reality show that would’ve come after having 15 children…
Well, agree with jupiter312, both are extreme, the difference is that one woman hurting herself by doing that and she is actually taking lifes, the Duggar family seem to be happy and they are giving lifes…If they can afford it, so why not? no harm done, basicly this is the point
There comes a point when you know you have had enough. Michelle is in her 40′s, and that is dangerous because it’s more likely that her new baby will have down syndrome or some other genetic malformation. I have no idea how the heck they do it. They are happy, healthy, and that’s all that really matters.
How is this even a question??
Sigh. I’m against both abortion and having kids by the truckload. But I’m not sure either is a sign of mental instability.
Although the Duggars are socially different and most people these days don’t have that many children and the ones that do, they sometimes have their children taken by social workers because they are unfit parents. The Duggars really have it going on. They seem like really happy folks. Even if it does seem crazy and socially weird.
As for the abortion lady, she’s crazy.
You’re kidding me, right?
Bearing children is completely natural to the human body. Having a fetus sucked out of it is not.
That is fact, regardless of religious moral or lack thereof.
Assuming that that family really are as happy as they look in that photo, then as odd as it seems to me to want that many children it is really up to them. If they can care for each of them adequately and provide each of them with the same opportunities in life then I have no huge problem with it.
The woman with the 15 abortions… She needs help, not specifically for the fact that she had that many abortions but for the fact that she felt the need to stay with a man who causes that reaction in her… or for the fact that something has happened in her life that has made her susceptible to that kind of behaviour.
hopefully the abortion story is far more uniques than the 19 children story.
but the Duggars as trendsettes promoting super large families is far more scary to me.
Whoever thinks killing 15 babies is better than raising 19 happy children has their head firmly lodged up their own ass.
I wonder……. if the woman had chose not to abort all those pregnancies and kept them in what is obviously a controlling and unhappy enviornment which could potentially lead to damaging 15 children in some mental way for life…… would everybody be saying she should of had abortions??/
@squeakysoul - agreed.
I think they’re both way too extreme.
having 15 abortions means you’re more mentally unstable. having 19 kids is absolutely ridiculous and stupid, but i believe that life begins at conception, so therefore basically killing 15 babies is definitely more serious.
There is a middle ground,and its hard to compare 2 situations when the individuals involved could be completely differint.If the women who had 19 children was doing it to manipulate her husband,because she felt her husband was controlling,or because she had mental difficulties,then that would factor into if it was a problem,ie the reasons behind her actions,and how stable she is as a person,as well as the outcome of her actions.In both cases,people people may disagree with these womens choices,or the direction these womens lives have taken,but in both cases,there always is free choice,provided someone is’int mentally incapable of making a choice,ie,in need of psychological help.The outcome of someones decision also needs to be taken into account too.
Having a child,generally in the right circumstances,could be considered to be a happy creative thing.Having an abortion,pretty much always,(and I am pro-choice),can only be considered destructive,to varying degrees.Destructive possibly to the women who has it,as its a difficult choice and thing to go through,and destructive to a possible child……
Having 19 children,if you were unable to look after them,did not want them(for the right reasons)or had some ulteriour motive in having them,would also be destructive.Maybe it could even be destructive if the children don’t get enpough individual attention or chance to be individuals.It depends on the mental health of the women,the reasons behind the actions,and the outcomes of the actions.Having an abortion,from the outset of considering the decision,without taking into account the other variables,is obviously more destructive than having a child…without looking at the whole picture,or someones situation or reason,it is more destructive as a choice,as opposed to having a child,as in one scenario something is being created,and in the other something is being ended.
That is’int to say,taking everything else into account,having a child would necessarily be a positive outcome,or would’int be destructive for your life or possibly that child,but one situation is’int an answer to the other…..and both could be complex situations in their own right.
However,an abortion in itself,as it is destructive and negative to your life,and does’int have the possibility of being a good thing(as having a child could be)seems to be more of an obvious sign of a mental illness(when it happens 16 times),and having children because you believe “they are a gift from God”,just seems more stable than having abortions to manipulate your husband.So it depends on your actions,reasons,the situations,the outcome,everything…
This is long again,its like an essay on it:)
Omg yes.
That’s really a question? Are you serious? I’d say 15+ kids is ridiculous but if I’m they’re neighbor and their kids aren’t constantly making me want to go get my shotgun, I’d say a family of 15+ like that is better then a family of 1 kid who destroys everything he/she touches.
Running out of ideas my odd friend?
They’re both fucked up in their own unique way.
Seems more like a sign of vaginal stablity (and fortitude).
That is a loaded question. It assumes both are mentally unstable. While I agree that it is messed up to kill your own children, I don’t think there is anything wrong with having a bunch. (I couldn’t handle that many, mind you. If that were me in that picture, I’d be in a straight jacket, and bald!) But they are all smiling, and healthy. What is wrong with it if they can handle it, and they are happy? “Be fruitful and multiply…” They took it to heart!
I knew you must be talking about that Dugger Family and sure enough you are
I think its crazy to have so many children.. but the Duggars have no debt. They pay for their children without assistance from the government.. and they really seem like a happy family.. minus the fact that the older children seem to raise the younger ones. But.. I would much rather see a family like that then a woman who keeps getting abortion after abortion. That is discusting. Get your tubes tied or SOMETHING. But being addicted to killing babies is just sick. She is crazy.
@prettybutterflyme - wouldn’t … isen’t…
I see absolutely nothing wrong with having 19 children!
@afireinside_me - I totally agree!!
of course. creating 15 lives, and then terminating them is definitely more messed up than giving birth to and bringing up 19 functional, productive members of society.
@DirtyAndShaken - you hit it right on the head. I applaud your succinctness.
the woman with the 15 abortions should have just gotten her tubes tied. why punish the innocent for her own problems? there’s nothing wrong with large families that aren’t a burden on society and are raising well-behaved, well-cared for, happy children. We need more families doing just that.
obviously the woman who had 15 abortions has mental issues. How anyone can be addicted to killing an unborn fetus is beyond me.
The Duggars, on the other hand, are a very rare family. I watched the show on TLC? Yeah, they were quite a unique family and it’s whatever makes them happy.
http://afireinside-me.xanga.com/
Thanks for the heads up on my spelling,I did’int know I was going to get marked on my punctuation….feel free to correct did’int if thats not written properly too.Now it really does feel like school.
@Loonsounds - same here.
I think the woman that had the 15 abortions was smart. She’s in a tough situation. Had she had the children, she would not be as happy as the “smiling, Christian family.” Not everyone is the same. The same things won’t make us all happy.
-15 + 19 = 4.
It’s a good number. Not too much. It’s not like we have much land left to stand on. One woman is just trying to even out the number the other woman makes. It’s all good.
But concerning the question, I don’t think it’s comparable. It’s both extreme. So, both insane? *shrugs*
hmm.. loving kids versus loving abortions.
which is crazier?
i think it’s pretty obvious.
After the third child, the likelihood of having a child with a sever physical or mental disability increases exponentially. It’s important to remember that life doesn’t stop after birth. Bringing children into the world when you know the probability of them being severely disabled is irresponsible and borderline selfish. They’re a lucky family to be wealthy, but considering at least one of them must work almost non-stop, I don’t see how the children could possibly be getting the attention from their actual birth parents that they crave for healthy growth and development.
Both are perfectly sane. They do what makes them happy.
It’s the woman’s choice to their bodies….but they still disturb me.
yes.
How did I know this was coming?
Like others have said, the Duggars obviously want every one of their children. To be “addicted” to abortion is just plain sick and unhealthy.
And it wasn’t that long ago when no one would think twice about a family having a double-digit number of children.
I think having a huge family is fine. Not today’s norm but definitely fine.
Both are creepy and unhealthy in their own way. I like this topic because people say abortion lady is crazy for having to many abortions but they’d probably be saying she was an unfit mother if she brought all those kids into the world into such a shitty relationship. Looking at it objectively they’re both putting a great physical strain on their body at the expense of another lifeform, and both are taking a great health risk. Which one is saner, thats not really debatable because on a certain level they could both be considered crazy. Just because the Duggars haven’t said they are addicted to having babies doesn’t mean they aren’t….you can slap God on anything and it may sound wholesome but that doesn’t change what it really is…
My brain just Xanga-ploded.
They’re both equally messed up. Anyone who thinks they can have many children and give them all the love, time, and care that EACH deserves, is mentally unstable. You have to give up everything for just ONE child, and so how much more do you have to give up for the next 18? Ridiculous, that woman is completely ignorant and mentally blind, her religion has made her such, and she and her husband should be steralized. Some children they have will be raised by their siblings – not their parents. And in some cases, maybe their parents will die before the youngest will be able to take care of themselves.
Morons!!!!!
@full_metal_monkey - I agree with you so much
Yes. No doubt about it. Are we here to give life, or take life? Are we supposed to kill, or give birth? I see where you’re getting at with the good life vs. bad life scenario. I’m sure that there has been some sort of counseling in the Duggar family at one point in time, for whatever reason. I’m sure their doctor has counseled them on the risk of giving so many births. Other than that, there isn’t anything wrong with wanting a big family.
@jupiter312 - definitely.
Wow. That is a really good question, Dan. Honestly, that particular family seems to be doing ok with that many kids…but most of us couldn’t handle it. But yeah, very good question.
… it is all… their choice to do so.
@nattata - I agree.
15 abortions is worse.
So we’re asking if killing 15 babies is the same as raising 19 children in a stable loving home? I don’t see much similarity…
Both are quite unbelievable for me but I guess the Duggars are much more “okay” for me since at least they did not kill any baby.
But with the lady who had 15 abortions, I guess she’s psycho.
Though, here’s the thingg; 15 abortions = too many deaths; 19 kids = over-population?
Well, that’s what I think.
dang..
very good question, dan. i think they all have problems… moderation is key, moderation.
Tough question, but all I can say is at least the Duggars do take care of all there kids on their own, unlike some people who can’t even take care of one. For that I give them a thumbs up. However the lady with abortions she is really messed up. Abortions are not to be treated as some addiction. She seriously has a problem, but who am I to judge?!
~Alexx
My grandparents had 19 kids and they raised them all with no government aid. They didn’t believe in birth control and they had them in groups. Maybe three-four are born a year part than there for four-five years age gaps between each group of kids.
xo
Fifteen snacks for the doctors versus 19 Anne Norman Bates Coulters?
I think we all know the answer.
Depends on the motiviation.
Absolutely!
I’m against both. But the Duggars live their own life and it’s fine. They just make me feel insanely uncomfortable for some reason. I would be pulling my hair out as a mother having to care for so many children. And if I were an older child, I’d go even crazier knowing I was responsible for so many other little ones. But if they’re doing it for themselves and aren’t on the government’s time, more power to them for following “God’s plan”. Be fruitful and multiply until you can’t anymore.
I’ve tried to watch their show and I don’t get the appeal.
There really is no versus. I think they’re both equally crazy in their respective decisions. If ever one wanted a picture of what the extremes are, they stand before us on both ends of the meter with the abortion lady at zero, and the Duggar mom at a flaming rate of 10.
I find it offensive that you would suggest that a family bringing 19 children into the world as mentally unstable. Especially a family who is devoted and loves their children. You just compared Murder and Life. Unbelievable.
Passby ~^^
@fading_roses19 - actually new studies have shown age is NOT a factor in an increase in genetic malformities or down syndrome. I was just informed this by my prenatal Dr. A genetic malformation can happen at any time by random chance as well as down syndrome. Now Dr’s are testing ever pregnant woman regardless of age.
if you can afford that many kids, raise them as individuals, and just all in all keep a healthy environment for each child to be raised in, how is that mentally instable? they aren’t doing anything morally wrong in any way?
on the other hand, having an abortion is killing. also she said she was doing it to get back at her husband. those are two negative things that can be seen as morally wrong.
ALSO, MIND YOU just because that’s not the norm today, doesn’t mean that wasn’t the norm awhile ago. so every family who has ever had that many has a mental instability problem?
I question the mental stability of anyone who procreates simply on principle.
I think in this situation the abortions are a greater sign of mental instability. The woman had a very rough past then married a man who gave her a choice, have the kid and I’ll leave (which he has done before) or get an abortion. While that is no excuse because she could have had her tubes tied or use ANY kind of birth control. I think her problems are more deep seeded. The Duggars have that many kids because they had a misscarige and believe that it was a sign from God for them not to interfere with his plans. So yeah, they have mental problems too, but I think the abortion lady definetly needs more help.
Well my grand mom and I’m sure that is what was the norm in previous decades, had 11 kids. She was pretty much unhappy having so many! I know. I talked to her. My mom talked to her. It isn’t something my grandfather cared to listen to. See, the more kids a man had, the more virile he was? I know she loved each one of her children and I know because of the way she gave herself to them and my grand dad however… having kids takes a toll on your body! I had twins then one more and honestly… NO WAY would I go through that EVER AGAIN. Just saying. I can not believe how some women are able to, but more respect to them. Having 17 abortions. I guess I can’t really understand it, why would she continue having them? I just don’t understand it and my guess is: it’s something she doesn’t understand either.
Yes.
“She also admitted she had a bad marriage.”
A bad marriage should NEVER be a reason for you to be a gory fan of abortions.
Also, having 19 children isn’t something new. People in the old days have more than 19 children. If a woman had 15 abortions, I suggest for her to drown herself. If she doesn’t want the living human form inside her, then she doesn’t even deserve to live.
And why are people afraid of having many kids? It can cause you inconvenience? Dampen your career? Hinder you from going out to business parties? These women should see that comedy movie, “Yours, Mine and Ours.”
@HawaiianHeldts - I so agree.
@kayla_fersherr - Couldn’t have said better myself. Bravo!
They’re both weird. The thing I wonder is why they shun birth control.
I’m pretty sure they don’t believe in birth control. Then again, she could get her tubes tied, because the reason they don’t believe in birth control (according to their site) has nothing to do with religion. They had a miscarriage and found out that either their birth control they were using (I think she was on the pill) either did or could have caused the miscarriage. They were very upset and distraught, and from what I gathered from the way their story goes that they have on the site may have felt that they as good as murdered their own child unwittingly. So, they just don’t use birth control and decided that.
Although, this did apparently lead to religious ties into it. I guess they decided that if they weren’t going to use birth control, they would just simply leave it up to God to decide how many they had. So, in that case, I suppose I’m wrong and it would be against their beliefs for her to get her tubes tied or for him to get a vasectomy. -_-;
I think that this can lead to health problems of her own, and the majority of the kids really more or less raise each other. Although, I think maybe she does the majority of the raising until the baby is old enough to walk and be taken care of by their “buddy system” or whatever it is.
I don’t dislike this family, though. They seem to be pretty positive about themselves, and don’t appear to bring each other down. Although sometimes the way they seem almost perfect on TV is a little creepy. How could any family be that perfect? o.O;; It’s likely that there is a lot of editing involved. :p
Either way, I agree with the people who say, “at least they aren’t on government assistance” because really there are a lot of families not even close to being this large that are on government assistance and either will not or cannot get off of it.
So, as long as they aren’t taking government money to fund their living, I don’t care what they do. I support their right to have as many children as they want. Just like I support that woman’s (I don’t remember her name, or if I ever knew it o.O) right to have as many abortions as she wants.
However, I don’t agree with it. And I also don’t agree with the Duggars having that many children. But, hey…as long as they’re all mostly happy, and healthy and not on government assistance…whatever. :p
You see, the reason that government assistance comes into play with the Duggars and not in the case of the woman who had 15 abortions in 17 years, is only because they do have so many children. And she doesn’t. And as far as I know, I doubt she got government assistance for the abortions. o.o; I don’t think that’s government funded at the moment (but I think it should be o.o).
Now, on the flip side…say she DID give birth to all those children, rather than aborting them. I might STILL have a problem with it if she and her husband had that many kids and then could not afford them. And had to go on welfare or something. I would still raise my eyebrow (as I do at the Duggars) if they didn’t need assistance.
But, ultimately, it doesn’t matter what I think. Because, both the Duggars and that woman (I’m so mean, I sound like I’m being all, “That woman!!!” *point accusatory finger* :p ) have the right to do what they did/are doing.
Do I think it’s better to have so many kids than to have so many abortions? Not really. Although, another issue that I have with the abortions is that she used them like birth control and that can be very dangerous, and I also think this is going to fuel the pro-life movement into more strangeness and they will forever use her and anyone else who comes out to say they did anything like that as poster “children” (no pun intended oo; ) for why all abortions should be outlawed (which did not even work when they were illegal before).
I do think that having a bunch of children you can’t support, and still having more while you are fully aware that you can’t support them or yourselves anymore, is irresponsible and worse than having 15 abortions in 17 years, or having 19 children and counting (because let’s face it is going to be “and counting” until either one of them cannot physically produce children anymore or until one of them dies).
Right now, neither the Duggars or that woman (there I go again), are putting financial drains on society with their choices. Someone who chooses to have a lot of children they already know they cannot support does put a financial drain on society.
However…It is legal and their right in all scenarios to do what they do. I don’t have to like it, but I can’t stop them and I should not attempt to. Because, what would be even more wrong (at least in my opinion) is to try to take people’s rights away from them. :/
I guess I kind of get this outlook from my grandfather. He had a lot of things he disliked about people and society, but he was an old war veteran and he just thought that everyone ought to leave everyone else alone. That he might not like what someone is doing, but he went to war and paid with his skin, blood, bone and pain for their right to do it anyway.
So, I guess while I was growing up (I grew up with him as my father figure, living in the same house as he and my grandma) I just kind of picked up on that and it’s where I get weirdo thoughts such as these. :p Since apparently a lot of people I talk to think I’m a weirdo for it. :p
Although, it would’ve been nice if I had also picked up my grandmother’s unshakable patience and ability to keep her mouth shut. O.o;;;
Wow…I wrote a frikkin novel….sorry!!! o.o
I’m against abortion and having like over 8 kids.
Both are weird. I mean, 19 kids in 25 years? Give me a fucking break. Michelle wont stop until she reaches menopause.
Abortion lady is sad, she sounds like she has the same problem as people that cut themselves. She must be hurting and does need help.
The Duggers’ decided to see what would happen if they stood on G-d’s word. Well, they are blessed and actually that family operates like a machine and happy one at that. Makes me sad I didn’t trust G-d.
My Mom wanted 3 children and if birth control, including abortion was available that is what she would have had. I am her eighth of eight. She is very ill now and number 5, 6, 7, and 8 provide most of her care. The first three “stay out of it”. She is very happy she didn’t get a choice.
Even though I HATE the Duggars, I would rather be in their situation then have that many abortions under my belt. I wouldn’t be able to live with myself knowing I had killed that many babies. The woman who did this is sick! I honestly don’t know how she can live with herself………
Worried about funding social security benifits for illigal alians? If more Americans would have 19 kids apiece, heck we could extend S.S. benifits to people who are just thinking about sneaking in. Maybe an incentive to stay home.
19 abortions? Who paid that bill. 19 nonaborted Americans paying taxes, that’s who.
Now I am not saying I am for or against either but if you want government to keep out of your business, then we have to stay out of theirs and stop funding theirs.
There both fucked.
The lady who had the abortions recognizes that that’s not healthy.
The Duggar’s, however, think that they are amazing and wonderful even though they’re over populating the planet.
I am not familiar with the Duggar family but they do appear happy in the photos. If they are paying to raise their own children and the children are loved and happy then I don’t see a problem with their choice to have a large family.
I think the whole world is mentally unstable.
wasn’t cheaper by the dozen a true story?
Sometimes you’re really good with hard questions.
I think that they’re both a little crazy. Though 15 abortions is extreme, I wouldn’t want to be the 10th of 19 gifts from God. Part of having children is taking the children themselves into consideration as how they’re being set up for their lives.
If the Duggars had their children naturally, meaning without intervention to get pregnant, I see nothing wrong with them having 19 children. I know people who disagree, based on overpopulation. To respond to a natural pregnancy by allowing nature to take it course does not imply anything bad about the mental state of the parents. I think it’s great that the Duggars are a happy family. I’m glad they have money, too, but I wouldn’t see anything wrong with them even if they DID need public assistance.
At the same time, I see nothing wrong with having 15 abortions (outside of the wear and tear and medical risks to the mother), assuming the pregnancies didn’t occur intentionally for the purpose of having abortions. But to publicize one’s 15 abortions and call having them an “addiction” shows mental illness, in my opinion.
While the Dugger’s didn’t actually “plan” each child (at least that I’m aware of) they did decide to not take measures to prevent pregnancy and accept each child as a gift from God.
For the most part, I see a person having an abortion as showing a lack of responsibility to begin with. They should know by now that having unprotected sex (and in some cases, if something goes wrong protected sex) can result in a pregnancy.
So having 15 abortions is a greater sign of irresponsibility and mental instability.
I don’t have as much of a problem with having 19 kids, as I do keeping them in skirts and trousers, and making them all play the violin. Then again, I’m all for self-expression, so. I think making your child conform- or, not allowing them the option to explore, is more of a psychological disorder than having 15 abortions.
@Welsh_Kabob - And what is the problem with the way their lives are being set up? It seems like their lives would be MORE fulfilling having lots of siblings versus having less or none. I was just watching the show and one of the kids said “I love my family because there’s always someone to play with” I fail to see how they aren’t being “set up” well.
Big families come from way back. My grandmother came from 5 siblings, and mother from 6. But set aside from 15 abortions in 17 years all i can say is Damn! that’s too much. I like the concept of having 19 children, but isn’t she getting a little too old maybe she’ll be 67 and still popping out children i think it’s about time she closed her factory.
Look at the faces of the Duggar family and know their story. Then compare that to the woman who killed so many of her own children. Who is sane and happy… and who is not? And, most important of all, who stands tall in the Grace of God? Therein lies the answer to your question.
having 19 kids is nuts, but at least they seem like a good family.
Well, let’s look at the differences between the two:
Mom 1: She’s the one with 19 kids.
Mom 2: She’s the one who murdered potential babies (potential babies as in an actual fetus forming inside her stomach)
Mom 1: I don’t know why she would want 19 kids, but if she can take care of her kids in all aspects, then what would make her mental? She’s mental because she can take care of 19 kids when some women in the world can’t even take care of one? If she can have 19 kids, then she’s more like a super-mom instead of a mom.
Mom 2: She’s had 15 abortions because she’s weak. She murders potential babies to get back at her husband for being so controlling, when instead she can get a divorce but is too weak to do so. Both her husband and herself should be strapped to a table, and punched by male kangaroos till they get knocked out.
If mother 1 can afford 19 children, she can definitely afford birth control. That’ll solve that. As for mother 2, well…let’s just say that she needs to be slapped with a big wet fish for being stupid.
The answer is obvious. There is no justification for mother 2′s actions. Human beings are alive to procreate, and that’s what mother 1 has done. Mother 2 fails at life because she thinks that getting pregnant and killing her potential babies is getting back at her husband for being controlling. That’s like me getting my sister’s Xbox game and tearing it up because I didn’t want her to play on Xbox again…it was stupid and childish, and I learned my lesson the first time. It’s obvious that mother 2 needs mental help. If someone says it’s not obvious, they’re in denial.
@KrazeeKunoichi009 - I couldn’t have said it better myself!
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2009/03/tiniest-baby-booms-monster
How can choosing many lives over many deaths be more mentally instable?
Martha
Both are extremes and I couldn’t imagine doing either for myself. Nor would many other people. At the way society looks at things today…big families and lots of abortions are both signs of mental instability. So I guess it’s more of a look at today’s society.
This is a bit off-topic but shows how society has changed their way of thinking…
Moses (Noah, etc…) talked to God…that’s how they did what they did and wrote what they wrote….and many people look up to them and read the words written as God’s Law.
If you or I were to talk to God, we’d be checked for schizophrenia and other mental illnesses.
I see nothing wrong with 19 children. 15 abortions, on the other hand, even I have a problem with and I’m a pretty tolerant person. My dad was one of 14 kids, and that family is well-respected throughout the city for their hard work and kindness. There were 1600 people at my father’s funeral, and he was the way he was because of the family he was raised in.
Get sterilized and adopt
Yes. Having a lot of children is not a sign of mental instability.
I kind of think the Duggars are more insane. Abortions are rough on a vagina but so is pregnancy. And pregnancy lasts nine months. And then you get this kid that sucks up so much of your time, attention, and money…. And how can you give 19 children enough attention? At least with an abortion, you have the procedure and it’s done.
But that doesn’t mean the woman who had 15 abortions isn’t a sociopath.
As far as the Duggars, I don’t necessarily think “they” think thier crazy, although most people would. Now as far as one person’s comment goes about god not intending people to have abortions or be on birth control, both are not completely true. In the bible it states that an abortion is only OK IF it compromises the health of the mother, meaning she may die having the child or in the instance that she’s physically incapable of having one. As far as the use of contraceptives, the bible does not say not to use them because in the days the bible was written, there were no contraceptives like there are today. And as far as what god would say about the issue would be most likely, if you’re going to have them..only have as many as you are physically and financially capable of having. Otherwise, it’s not against god’s will to use contraceptives in order to “prevent” a pregnancy as apposed to having an abortion. If women didn’t use them, they would be capable of giving birth every year. When the commandment was given to multiply and become many, was during Noah’s day when there were not a lot of people on earth to begin with. But obviously times have changed and the world is already over populated in many areas, not to mention so many children already suffering from hunger, others are unwanted who are given up for adoption. Perhaps, rather than continuing to have so many of your own children, people who can afford more should consider adopting some of the ones already born instead.
This would not only lead to overpopulation but also to possibly poverty and hunger unless you were as wealthy as Angelina Jolie. On another note, I do think the Duggars are a little selfish to have that many kids, as I see no allowance of individuality in their family. They dress them all alike and they don’t seem to have enough day of the month to give each kid alone time to spend with both parents. This is especially harmful to the really young children and toddlers they already have, as there will be less time for them to be the “baby” of the family.
Another good point someone brought out was having kids after 40. This is very dangerous as the kid can have mental/physical impairments, a good example being Sarah Paline. It’s also not healthy to keep popping child after child out because it stresses your body when it’s never given any rest. Plus, if they don’t stop soon, some of their younger children won’t have a mom or dad anymore, as their parents are already aging and may not be there to see their youngest to adulthood.
Finally, in answering that question was it? I do think the women who had 15 abortions is crazy an irrisponsible. This isn’t so much of a judgment as it is a fact. She obviously is not a god fearing women so if her consciounce is fine with having so many abortions, there is no reason she couldn’t have been on birth control or used condoms. It’s most likely that she hasn’t been using any sort of protection at all if she’s getting pregnant so often. This is also dangerous because she can get a disease or STD from it. As for the Daggards, they do seem happy on the outside but who knows how each individual child really feels. Perhaps, thier afraid of offending thier parents in expressing themseleves? I still feel sorry for them because I know thier never asked if they want to have another brother or sister and each time one pops out, that’s even less attention they get individually. I don’t mean to offend anyone with either statment, but this is coming from someone who grew up with a mother who ran a child care in our home 24/7 and was always taken care of “last” and have always felt lonely growing up. Even though I myself was an only child, there were up to 15 other kids stealing away my mothers attention. So I’m not so much speaking for Mr. and Mrs Duggars as I am for their kids. So whether or not you agree or disagree, these are just my personal feelings on the topic.
Yeah, I’d think so. But it isn’t my place to judge, I’ve never met these people.
Definitely the abortions.
The Duggers have their reasons for their family size and that’s their business. I hardly think this makes them unstable mentally. In older times, large families were common. Possibly because the “pill” was not available, but still the rhythm method to avoid pregancy was known, albeit not as reliable as contraception. The other reason might apply in farming communities, as more children were needed to help with keeping up the farm.
I believe it doesn’t make sense to have too many children if a family can’t care for them. That doesn’t apply to the Duggers.
Mostly, it doesn’t make sense to me to compare 15 abortions to the Dugger family in terms of mental unstability. I’d say “no contest” — it’s 15 abortions. I still think someone should have intervened to help that poor woman.
Having babies is normal and natural. Killing them is not. Stopping yourself from having babies by using chemicals is not. Think about it for a minute.
In this case I got to say having 15 abortions in 17 years have some mental problem.
Larger families are usually happier than smaller if they both had the same state of marriage, finances, etc. People who murder babies usually are deppressed.