October 20, 2009
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Is FoxNews a News Station?
Many of you have probably read that President Obama’s administration is attacking Foxnews and saying that Foxnews is not a news station.
White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs has said that Foxnews is a “mouthpiece of the Republican Party” and said the other news organizations should “not treat Fox News as a legitimate news station.” Here is the link: Link
Is Foxnews a legitimate news station?
Comments (252)
Yes. They definitely have right wing tendencies, but many of the others have left wing tendencies. Does that make them less legit? No. Does it make them different from most? Yes.
No. Most of those aren’t news stations. Do you see news being broadcast most of the time? No. They are more like political discussion channels, more than actual news stations.
They are about as legit as any other of the big news leaders.
eh.
Yes. I question CNN that glamorizes private schools that promote socialism.
It’s news tainted with Glen Beck’s acid reflux.
Legitimate enough, though, I think.
@skittler335 - agreed.
the administration needs to man up. oh, so there’s actually somebody who has a differing opinion? waaaaaaaah. get over it. every other president has had to deal with it, I don’t see why Obama can’t.
It’s news. Just like the Rush Limbaugh show was news. Well, it’s discussion about news.
Wait. I thought FOX News was a 24-hour comedy service satiricizing the right-wing to portray them as a bunch of bigot, clueless lunatics.
YOU MEAN THAT SHIT’S REAL
Is the bible a legitimate, infallable recollection of the history of old times?
The answer to that, and to your question, are the same.
I don’t know if I can reliably answer this.
There is a critical question that must be asked first: What determines if a channel is a “legitimate” news channel?
i think if obama is a little one sided. he’ll go for interview on all the other news agencies but won’t agree to an interview on fox news. he also makes money off of himself by letting people make toys and stuff which he profits off of.
i think everything about this is stupid. obama doesn’t like fox because they don’t agree with his ideas and he doesn’t like them for the same reason.
@ShimmerBodyCream - What’s wrong with private schools?
What’s wrong with socialism?
@Drakonskyr - lol that was awesome.
Of course it is the complaints are about its commentators for the most part. It’s strait news reports are as good as any TV news. That is not a complement, but it is a fact.
If any of you are at all interested in the facts on this
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx
@Drakonskyr - LOL
@stardustskye - Can’t or won’t?
Why does he have to?
Fox News is a “real” news channel as much as Barack Obama is a “real” President.
They are a news station, they’re just slanted ultra-right wing. They aren’t fair and balanced as they claim. But let’s face it, there is no such thing as fair and balanced news.
Not in my town they’re not. When you compare the same story from other news outlets, Fox conveniently leaves out information and puts opinion in where facts should go.
And they’re ALWAYS wrong on the weather.
If this is the case, then I guess MSNBC would be an illegitimate “mouthpiece of the Democrat Party.” There’s no way to deliver unbiased news, so, with all due respect, Mr. President, get over it. Even SNL has stopped kissing his butt long enough to joke about his inactivity in office. So, when he’s actually done something, maybe he’ll have a little more force behind his argument.
The Onion is more legit than Fox News.
@striemmy - Lol. Exactly.
I always thought they were a conservative mouthpiece and most of what I’ve seen has confirmed that.
HELL NO, IT ISN’T! But they can claim whatever they want, can’t they? And everybody else has a right to say what we want about it.
Did you catch Glenn Beck’s new book cover? LOL ROFL
I don’t know but it’s always good for a laugh.
who the f cares. ya know? they can report whatever the hell they want. as if CNN is significantly better.
No, it definitely isn’t.
I don’t know, I don’t watch. I just wanted 2 extra credits :3
Most “news” isn’t newsworthy anymore… Alec wrote about this a while back, it’s a general trend among people actually not just “news” stations. Very sad.
I agree with Dare2BDifferentt about the Onion. All news not matter what channel you watch has a spin.
It’s as much a news station as CNN, HLN, MSNBC, etc. Which isn’t saying much.
No, they’re a comedy channel. Duh.
as if MSNBC isn’t the mouth piece of the White House…
You have to consistently stick to correct facts to be news. Too often, Fox doesn’t always do that.
about as legitimate as Thomas Jefferson’s children
They’re legitimate in the sense that they have a little bit of news sprinkled in with their opinions. I think they should be considered more of an opinion network than a news network. As far as reliability goes, they are a bit less reliable for a news source than Comedy Central.
@viewfromnihil - Actually, Fox News tried to go into comedy with their response to “The Daily Show” and “The Colbert Report” called “The Half Hour News Hour”. Unfortunately, they forgot to make it funny and it was canceled.
Yes, it is definitely a news station. If you dont like Glenn Beck’s show, what about O’Riley?
Both ask questions of our gonernment administration that they refuse to answer. So, they call Fox a fraud….
I think the obama administrative is too controlling to try to label which network is legitimate and which is not…I mean almost all the networks made funny of GWB and you don’t see him whine about it like obama is doing now.
Yes. A national survey shows that 46% of those who watch FOX News “just about every day” are Democrats or Independents as are 50% of those who watch it “several times each week” or more. If Fox is so right winged, why are Democrats and Independants watching them so much?
maybe they should try to shut down rush limbaugh. next to him, fox news looks positively leftist.
faux News, News for DUMFUX.
Every bit as much as CNN, actually I would say they are more balanced than CNN
Oh, and as for Gibbs? Seriously, I see that man give his spiels almost every single day. And every single day, I wonder who in the right mind would hire such a tool to be their front man. He’s not very good at what he does in my opinion. He might as well be walking around in a clown suit.
@IssyMae - Unfortunately, those are facts people like to ignore.
Yes. As far as their reporting of the news goes, they are more fair and balanced than the others. It’s about time people learn the difference between a reporter and an opinion commentator. Fox News as a whole presents more information from both sides while they may have a more conservative feel.
How many conservatives do you EVER see on CNN, MSNBC, etc.? NONE.
The list of democrats and liberals that appear and provide debate and commentary on Fox News is quite long. And it’s not just once in awhile, it’s every single day, even on the opinion shows. When watching the actual news programs during the day and a specific topic is being reported on, you almost always see a liberal senator or representative as a guest to weigh in on the topic.
Bob Beckel, Chris Wallace, Geraldo Rivera, Alan Colmes, Bernie Sanders, Sen. Dennis Kucinich, Rep. Charles Rangle, Geraldine Ferraro,
Lanny Davis, Joe Lieberman, Tammy Bruce, Pat Caddell, Neal Gabler, Jane Hall, Jeff Cohen, Juan WIlliams, Mara Liason, Morton Kondracke…
The list goes on and on and on.
Furthermore, hosts like Neil Cavuto will call out members of the Republican party – i.e. when Tom Price (R-GA) went on to speak about
the Republican’s version of healthcare reform, Cavuto wouldn’t let Price get away with just saying ‘we need a better bill’ and go light on
the details. He more or less told him that they need a substantial bill, not an abstract idea which is what he felt Price was presenting.
Why would Obama like Fox news? It’s the only one asking questions of his policies, and we all know he doesn’t like it when The People do that.
Say what you want about Bush – he wasn’t my favorite president either, but at least he didn’t run from unfavorable press who disagreed with him or his policies (and he did it without teleprompters).
Foreign-owned Faux News is a tool of propaganda. Nothing more.
It might be the ONLY REAL news station… Where else can a person get news without a left wing slant? Even the local Fox affiliates are left wing slanted….
they are right wing, but everything else is completely liberal so i’d rather watch something honest like fox news then every other media news station.
Fox News is not a legitimate news organization, but then neither is MSNBC. Both of those 24-networks devote the vast majority of their time to promoting a specific political agenda, often creating their own appalingly slanted “hot topic” news issues rather than reporting on actual matters of substance. I feel that CNN at least attempts to maintain some measure of moderation and fairness (even if they do tend to lean left at times).
About as real as Kyo Sohma.
Foxnews sucks so does Channel 7 and CBS. If you want good hard news go out and buy a good newspaper like The New York Times or Washington Post or The Wall Street Journal.
It’s as legitimate as any other. Pretty much any major news source is biased, FOX just happens to be the one most often criticized.
Is *anything* a legitimate news source? Depends on who you trust.
Course they are.
@Drakonskyr -
…….. FUCK!
The shocking exposé isn’t that Fox is biased. It is that *ALL* media is biased. Geesh. Who doesn’t know that???
Fox News is definitely a news station. Fox picks up on so many more
things (like Van Jones and the Acorn deal) that other “news stations”
don’t. The only reason the White House is attacking Fox is because
they’re the only news channel that actually challenges the Obama
administration, which they did when Bush was president as well. I don’t
see how Fox can be labeled a “mouthpiece of the Republican Party” when
their best ratings come from Bill O’Reilly and Glenn Beck, who, if you
know enough about them, are NOT Republicans, they’re Independents who
often disagree with views of people on both sides of the aisle.
I think it can REPORT a newstory like any other major network… Now, when it gets to its opinion based news, then I shake my head with a big NO.
Fox leans right about twice as much as the others lean left.
According to a couple professors I have, no.
Is Paris Hilton talented?
@ShimmerBodyCream - Newsflash, America is a socialist nation. People just need to accept this.
@MC_Shann - You’re an idiot. Just sayin’.
@Paul_Partisan - Well said. And I add in case you weren’t clear to every one that goes for CNN, MSNBC and several others as well.
@trunthepaige - Your lack of basic grammar and spelling skills still astounds me after all this time.
PLEASE. Fox is the sole conservative news station amongst the numerous mainstream liberal stations. ALL are biased. Leave the one be. Unless of course the administration would like to criticize all the other left-wing stations as well?? Unbiased news no longer exists, now more than ever.
@another_rebel_without_a_cause - LOLz
yes, it is. anyone who says it isn’t simply has a problem with facts they don’t like. it’s their choice if they prefer living in their ignorant, liberal bubble. FOX is as opinionated as CNN, and reports more facts than CNN tends to, as well.
@haloed - What if I believe the Bible contains legitimate historical records…but isn’t entirely infallible?
@DrugInducedDuck - newsflash, you’re a tard.
If FoxNews is not a legitimate news station then neither is ABC, CBS, or NBC for the very same reasons. I admit that Fox is highly biased against Obama, but the other 3 are just as equally biased, though in favor of Obama.
In the end, the only legitimate and mostly unbiased news organization would have to be the BBC, or possibly CNN, though I have doubts on that. It seems the era of real, unbiased news has long since left us and we are left with corporate, government run, media outlets that force the brainless peons to think and feel a certain way. >.>
@ShimmerBodyCream - How is glamorizing private schools supporting socialism? Seems a bit contradictory.
Yes, Theo, Fox News is not a legitimate news program. Very few out there are. They are mostly “entertainment news”. The “reporters” themselves have claimed it.
@misuriver - No, reread my comment.
@quicksandbuddy - So true.
LOL NO. They shouldn’t even call themselves “fair and balanced”.
- Kunoichi
None of them are ‘news’ stations anymore. They are all commentary because that is where they see the potential money. But news and more importantly facts seem to be coming in very short supply…
@ShimmerBodyCream - Alright, I’m gonna go watch some federally regulated television, powered by my federally-governed electrical company. Then I’ll cook some USDA inspected and regulated popcorn on my stove, fuelled by federally regulated gas lines. Also, I’m gonna go pop some FDA regulated Advil to get rid of this headache. I have to get to sleep soon, though, because I have to get up early and drive on a federally regulated highway to get to work.
@DrugInducedDuck - and I’m going to make a fuck of a lot of money and keep it all to my damn self. Yay capitalism… Oh wait… Obama wants to redistribute wealth… hmm. Well, I only claim capitalism until saddam hussein obama fucks it up.
@ShimmerBodyCream - I hope you realize what a fucking moron you sound like saying such ignorant bullshit without using any evidence whatsoever.
I love Fox News
@RaVnR - yep, you’re retarded. Next commenter.
@DrugInducedDuck - You’d make a great libertarian. We should’ve married after all :[
And what? NBC is a legit newsstation?
BS.
@misuriver - @ShimmerBodyCream - Yes. I question CNN that glamorizes private schools that promote socialism.
That is your comment. Seeing as how it makes no grammatical sense, I could only assume. Forgive me if my assumption was off-base. What exactly does this mean then?
@ShimmerBodyCream - Hahaha personal attack, also unsupported. Classy. But then I guess I started it.
@misuriver - ”glamorizes private schools that promote socialism.” Is there something difficult about that? Sounds self explanatory to me.
@ShimmerBodyCream - You clearly don’t have a grasping concept of what socialism is, or what you’re talking about. Socialism is not natinalism or communism, these words are not interchangeable, and America is not anywhere near as capitalist as we claim to be. It’s fun to watch you radicals argue about stuff that you’re only angry about because you’re uninformed… and then you always go to the “HIS MIDDLE NAME IS THE SAME AS A DICTATOR OMG!” arguement, which is pretty much just namecalling, and doesn’t prove anything about the point you’re trying to argue. Keep trying, though, maybe the stress will kill you.
@RaVnR - Yep. I guess you insulted yourself for me then.
@DrugInducedDuck - ”radicals” “uniformed” no facts in your statements. Yep, you’re a liberal alright.
@ShimmerBodyCream - I don’t know how that logically follows, but you don’t seem to be amenable to logic anyway. Having a rational argument, and being kind of a jerk about demanding the same from you, does not make me a “retard.”
No. It is not fair or balanced. But it has a right to exist.
@haloed - So, no?
@RaVnR - You insulted me yet admitted to doing the same thing. You are welcome.
@ShimmerBodyCream - HAHAHA, nope, I’m actually republican, I just use rational thought and do research before I form opinions. I don’t base them on what some angry blogger made up to sway people. Thanks for playing.
@DrugInducedDuck - Yes, because we all know liberals can’t be republican. You really are an idiot.
@ShimmerBodyCream - I’m not the one who’s in denial about america being socialist. Another shocker for someone clearly as sheltered as you is that we’re not a democracy, either.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Still not a rational logical argument. Even something as simple as (premise) “You insulted me, and then complained that I insulted you back” (subpremise) “Only retards insult people but expect that they will not be return-insulted” (conclusion) “Therefore you are a retard” would be a logical argument. Erroneous, because based on faulty premises, but still logical. TRY AGAIN, please.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Not the way you wrote it. Bad grammar, sorry I don’t catch on to it as easily. By and by it’s still contradictory. Oh, yeah, how do you know private schools support socialism? I went to one. No such thing. As a matter a fact, it would be in the schools best interest to not support socialism. Do you see how, either way, your comment made no sense.
Truthfully, I’m just trolling you because I think you’re an asshole. I’m bored, so I mess with assholes and save my intellectual energy for the real world. It’s my catharsis. Don’t judge me.
@DrugInducedDuck - It’s true. We never really were a democracy, of course, but a democratic republic (a representative democracy). Now, though, with the country this size what our voting system and organizational government was intended to look like doesn’t really function as envisioned. Sad, but true. What are we now? Difficult to say. Something driven by corporatism, and vaguely republic-like in form.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Yep, you’re a moron alright. Oh, personal attacks are fun!!! Damn conservative dummy. I should try that more often.
@misuriver - No, its not contradictory. Reread again. Slower, with more emphasis on the big words.
The private school was supporting socialism. CNN was doing a supportive feature on the school.
@RaVnR - I’d say we’re a Corporate Oligarchy.
@RaVnR - I’m in much too good a mood say anything appropriate in response to your comment.
Most journalists I know call it Faux News, or some variation thereof, and for good reason. Fox frequently just blows straight past the line between reporting and advocacy. It was the loudspeaker of the Teabagger parties, and there is more than a little evidence they receive talking points from the GOP on an almost-daily basis, and follow them.
Furthermore, they leave out very key aspects to news stories in order to make those stories fit their Republican agenda. One off the top of my head was this couple in San Diego. Fox was reporting that the city arbitrarily banned the couple from having Bible studies at their house anymore. No explanation really, they just demonized the city officials.
The real story? The traffic for those Bible studies was blocking the streets in their neighborhood and causing a nuisance to the neighbors. Thank you, local radio station, for reporting the real news while Fox tried to spin it in a way that would stir up evangelicals and make gear up into crazy attack mode.
@ShimmerBodyCream - You know, if you spent as much time as you do throwing insults around doing research and supporting your claims, maybe people would take you radicals’ opinions seriously.
@DrugInducedDuck - Probably most accurate.
@RaVnR - You were assigning an insult to people who participate in a particular behavior. You participated in the same behavior. All people who do X = Retard. That would make you the retard. Actually implying classlessness. But retard is more fun.
No sir
I always enjoyed Fox News though. It came on right after Family Guy, American Dad, and The Simpsons. It was like the expanded comedy night.
@DrugInducedDuck - More dribble and no facts. You’ve added nothing pertinent to any of this.
@DrugInducedDuck - and dribble is like drivel, except you can shoot it.
@ShimmerBodyCream - I added facts defending my logic, you just called me an idiot because you couldn’t argue against it. So again, I’m pretty sure you’re making ill-informed claims again.
@DrugInducedDuck - No. You didn’t add anything accurately disputing what I said.
@ShimmerBodyCream - See how easy that is. If you had written that in the first place we would have been having a conversation on a different topic. That wasn’t so hard, now was it. Learn to use your words babe. Jeez.
Now let us find this report that you were speaking of.
@DrugInducedDuck - Do you find it fun arguing with this girl, or is it just me?
@ShimmerBodyCream - My point was that it’s stupid to be upset about pro-socialism when we are a socialist nation. You said I was a “tard,” and I backed up my tard logic.
@misuriver - I had nothing better to do tonight, it’s not like there’s anything on TV.
@DrugInducedDuck - We aren’t socialist but that is irrelevant to my point. My point was CNN leans to the left. Socialism is a very left leaning view.
@ShimmerBodyCream - We have socialists tendencies. Have for quite a while.
BTW, found that report. The school wasn’t glamorizing socialism. Way to generalize. Typical conservative.
Inbetween trying to convince the audience that Obama is out to get them…i think they are pretty legitimate.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Yes, ma’am, we are. We’re not socialist to the letter, but no country ever was.
@DrugInducedDuck - we still have free markets, private industries, no extensive redistribution of wealth, etc. Still irrelevant to my original comment that CNN leans to the left.
All the other news stations are inundated with the left; why is such a big deal that one station is biased conservatively?
@ShimmerBodyCream - China’s got a free market and private industry, too, and those bastards are commies!
@misuriver - I think it’s a blast.
@RaVnR - She just makes it so easy.
@DrugInducedDuck - Yes, they are uncommunisting themselves.
uncommunisting (c)Shimmerbodycream
but this is still irrelevant to my original comment.
More so than the fantasyland MSNBC lives in. Are they different, yes and thank God they are. The other alphabet networks are all on the take and get their marching orders from the Administration & the Democratic Party.
@misuriver - give me the link I’ll make sure it’s the right one
@DrugInducedDuck - I think BBDD has cloned himself!
@ShimmerBodyCream - SHUT UP WOMAN, GET ON MY HORSE!
@DrugInducedDuck - No! Take you and your commie horse back to China!
@ShimmerBodyCream - Everything you’ve said since has been irrelevant to your comment about CNN being left-leaning. If in fact that was your assertion; difficult to say under all the rhetoric just what you claim to assert.
@RockOfEadie - No. BBDD was batshit insane. His
parcancerAIDSenson’s disease hasn’t killed him yet, either, which is
pretty impressive.
@DrugInducedDuck - Who, your horse? BBDD? Are you high?
@RaVnR - I was responding to the comments directed at me and you have said nothing of substance.
@RaVnR - Boy you are really enjoying this trolling. Can’t say I blame you though.
@DirtyAndShaken - MSNBC has Pat Buchanan, Joe Scarborough, and Chris Matthews.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080416/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
So you can’t say “How many conservatives do you EVER see on CNN, MSNBC, etc.? NONE.” I can’t vouch for CNN, but please be fair to MSNBC.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Your idea of “substantive” is a strange one indeed, as you consistently fail to notice the real facts and actual arguments pointed in your direction so poignantly by myself and my colleague DrugInducedDuck.
@RaVnR - DrugInducedDuck was talking about how we are socialist. Which was irrelevant to my original comment. And you haven’t stated any facts or arguments.
You can’t notice something that doesn’t exist, like your intelligence.
@DrugInducedDuck - how do you know? Ya’ll still in touch?
@RockOfEadie - I google him every now and then, and see he’s pissed off a new social networking group.
@ShimmerBodyCream - (1) argument from a single instance, which doesn’t address my complaint. (2) lie, which doesn’t address my complaint. (3) another personal attack, which attempts to address my complaint but fails through lack of support and from refutation by controverting evidence.
@ShimmerBodyCream - To make sure, the one about kids singing Obama’s Healthcare program?
@RockOfEadie - @DrugInducedDuck - I’m glad I could bring you two back together in love of BBDD.
@RaVnR - ” I hope you realize what a fucking moron you sound like saying such ignorant bullshit without using any evidence whatsoever.”
That is what you said. There are no facts or arguments in this. If me being a moron is a “fact” its obviously wrong because I’m the smartest and best looking person on Xanga. With the nicest boobies.
@misuriver - yep, sounds right, give me the link and I’ll check.
@ShimmerBodyCream - have a stroke of it’s mane, it turns into a plane, and it turns back again when you tug on its winky.
@ShimmerBodyCream - http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2009/10/president_obama_health_care_cn.html
Is the only link I found.
@ShimmerBodyCream - (1) argument from a single instance. Way to drag that back up again, by the way. I’ve made several factual statements since then, including (in that same quote) the fact that you failed to support your argument with evidence; and the fact that in my opinion it makes you look ignorant. (NOTE: this is not same as saying that you *are* ignorant, or that you *are* a moron — although you’ve consistently attacked me personally, I’ve only attacked the representation of you made by your statements). Try looking a little closer at what people are actually saying to you, and not so close at the faults you want to find with them personally.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Best looking with the nicest boobies, huh? I know a place where you can get paid for it.
@RaVnR - It was your response to me. Then you questioned me about how you insulted yourself. If you have something of substance to say I can wait.
@misuriver - No. It wasn’t live, it was a report on the school.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Thanks for the history lesson.
@RaVnR - You are welcome.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Give me the link, so I can make my own judgments. I can’t find this report. This is all it gives me, or a Fox News account via Beck.
@misuriver - It was a segment on TV.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Yeah, no shit. Give me the approx. date so I can find it.
@misuriver - about 2-3 weeks ago. A couple of days after the story first came out. not 100%
@misuriver - i will sub you and look for it. not sure if its online.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Two to three weeks ago,huh? That would be a bit difficult to find. I might.
@DrugInducedDuck - lol… I wonder if you would say that to my face. Don’t worry. Im a Christian. So I would let you give it your best shots on both cheeks… But after that…. Oh man!
@MC_Shann - I’m no different in real life than I am online, everything I say here, I’d have no problem with saying to anyone’s face. Anyway, keep on ethugging.
Hahah. NO. Have you seen it?
If Fox News is “real” news then the Soup is real in-depth news reporting as well!
xo
Sure it’s a “news” organization. Not the awesomest ever…not the least corrupt (but then, none of the mainstream ones are)…but hey, that doesn’t make it fake.
Now, if they’re saying being run by a company means they’re fake, THEN I’ll be interested and a bit more inclined to agree.
They are as legitimate as CBS, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, etc. Which isn’t saying much as I think all American mainstream media groups suck…but, when it comes down to actual news, they’re no different.
Obama isn’t coming under the same kind of fire Bush did…not even close…but he is acting like a pansy over one station for their commentators not liking his policies. Grow up, Mr. President. It’s embarrassing, not to mention offensive that Obama seems to think he controls everything in America
@firetyger - Agreed.
Whoa, whoa, whoa! “Mouthpiece of the Republican Party”? That’s bull shit! We all know that honor goes to Mr. Colbert Report himself, Stephen Colbert!
@firetyger - well said!
hell no. fox news is yellow journalism at its finest.
Is it a news station? Yes.
Legitimate? That’s arguable…
none of them are
@Rob_of_the_Sky - See, Republicans evolved without a sense of humor. This is why we mock them.
@viewfromnihil - It’s even funnier when they don’t realize they aren’t being mocked (for example when they think Stephen Colbert is actually on their side and not being sarcastic).
@ModernBunny - CNN has Lou Dobbs (and they used to have Glenn Beck).
fox news is not a right wing media. i have not tuned into fox news for right wing “republican” news in years. fox news is the same as cnn,msnbc, and the likes. the only difference is that fox news has the words news in the name. i think murdoch should edit the name to fox opinion.
@Rob_of_the_Sky - Exactly. And as for Lou Dobbs, I’ll never understand why he’s on Fox. He’s their only really legit journalist.
Then again, I’d really like Ron Bennington from the Ron and Fez Show (XM 202, Sirius 197) to be the next Larry King, so take that for what it’s worth!
@viewfromnihil - I thought Lou Dobbs was on CNN. Did he move to Fox like Glenn Beck before him?
Fox news is so oviously slanted and it has been for a long time..people believe what they want to believe, but for sure the hate and fear spewers are on Fox…..doesn’t take a genius to figure that out, no matter what political party you are a part of.
@DrugInducedDuck - How the fuck did I miss this argument? Upsetting.
@trunthepaige - that was interesting.
I like how if someone isn’t liberal, all the sudden what they are reporting on is not accurate. Honestly, people should look at both sides of the news to really call themselves informed.
@kvdubs - I would lay money not one person saying Fox is not a real news service had any interest reading that study. It is far easer to say such things while staying intentionally ignorant. There are two sides or more to every issue. Making the claim that one side is evil. . . such thinking will keep you ignorant.
Yes. Fox News may lean a little (ok, a lot) more toward the Republican side, but CNN and other stations lean way more toward the Democrat side. I don’t really see how it would NOT be a real news station.
@Rob_of_the_Sky - I think they were trying to get him, but he was smart and stuck with CNN.
@viewfromnihil - Yeah that would be a smart move. Too much competition on Fox News. It would probably be a bit harder for him to find his place there as there are so many like him at Fox, whereas he’s a bit unique at CNN.
@Rob_of_the_Sky - Well, Larry King’s on CNN…I’m pretty sure he’s a zombie.
@viewfromnihil - Yeah, just like Michael Jackson. Too soon?
*Random sentence about Hitler to make this thread complete.*
I’ma play devil’s advocate and say yes. It’s not like other news channels aren’t guilty of the same sort of biased journalism.
No.
I dont think I have watch Fox News when I was in America, Canada and Mexico, I don’t remember what news station we watched in the mornings.
@Rob_of_the_Sky - It’s never too late to mock Michael Jackson.
Fox is the ONLY news station that gives all the news.
The liberals (CNN, NBC, etc tried to bury the Acorn mess, they won’t discuss Obama choosing commies and other anti-Americans as cabinet members.
@Rob_of_the_Sky - Michael Who?
Oh, you mean the bleach blond that was bleached from head to toe??
@Dare2BDiferentt - You said it, loud and clear.
@Drakonskyr - Another good one. Your comment is the best out of them all so far.
@NightlyDreams - Exactly. People don’t like Fox News because it’s easy to follow the rest of the sheep that say Fox is bad. Ask them for legitimate examples of lies that they claim Fox News spews…and all you will hear are crickets or the changing of conversation. Truth hurts…
Censorship.
no it’s not
Why is Barak Obama scared of Fox News? George W. Bush was treated more harshly by the mainstream press, but he never severed relations with them.
Fox News reports news, as does CNN, CNBC, ad nauseum. Not all the news they cover is political. Yes, they are legit.
Rush Limbaugh and Neil Boortz are fun to listen to, but Glenn Beck takes himself way too seriously. I’m tired of that guy, and whatshisface O’Reilly. Limbaugh and Boortz have a schtick that works. People either love them or hate them. Beck, O’Reilly, Hannity talk too much without saying anything. The final three strut upon their stage like Shakespeare’s phantoms, and they signify nothing. Limbaugh can talk football, and Boortz can talk planes, so you know they are not nearly as shallow as the rest.
The question remains: why is Barak Obama so scared of Fox News?
@Drakonskyr - HA! I couldn’t agree more.
Mr. Gibbs has it right. I have never watched Fox News one day since I divorced my narrow minded right wing conservative Republican husband.
@misuriver - I don’t think she is conservative. She acts more Independent. When someone is stuck that firmly in the middle, its easy to understand why she feels so run down.
@Rob_of_the_Sky - Too soon. Give it six months.
@jeanmarie26 - Conservatives can be narrow-minded, but I have yet to meet truly open-minded Liberal. The pot is calling the kettle black here. In open conversation or debate, 4 out of 5 times a Liberal will start the name-calling and throwing out emotionally charged words to attack people who disagree with them. Rarely do I find them open to listening to answers, let alone politely sharing their opinions. I don’t hang out with Liberals very often because in past experiences communicating with them, I found them to be a little too vicious and a little too angry without any good reason, and a little too suicidal. The antidepressants just were not working for them.
@Drakonskyr - hahahaha good one. UNfortunately the people have taken to getting their “news” from comedy central
Thought these were entertaining, in light of the current conversation.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=113562
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=113424
@wordwarrior39 - I am also an Independent. The point wasn’t what her actual political stance was…. She based people’s ideologies off of her own prejudices and started name calling. I only did what she did to prove a point, which I hope sank in.
BTW it is not a Liberal thing to not listen to answers. It’s a human thing. Both sides are guilty in a major way.
Is Comedy Central a real news network?
It’s a news station that blatantly, knowingly lies on a regular basis and doesn’t care. It’s agenda is more important than the truth. So they DO disseminate news, it’s just that getting the facts straight is like second or third on their agenda. First fealty to the corporate agenda. Second fealty to the republican party or conservative agenda (or at least desire to discredit alternative agendas).
Whereas all news networks have cases where the business interests that control them force them to cover stories inappropriately, most at LEAST TRY to get facts right. They might choose NOT to cover certain things that they should, because of the business interests or political pressure, but they don’t outright lie and mislead. Nor do they engage in unapologetic deliberate fear mongering and rabble rousing.
For most networks, getting things wrong is the exception. For Fox News, getting things RIGHT is the exception.
@Rob_of_the_Sky - Ah yes, Lou Dobbs. How could I forget. I blame illegal aliens.
Fox news is as legitimate as any other station. Maybe even more so.
Even I’m not going to touch this one.
Ok well, yes I am.
Normally I’d be the flaming liberal when it comes to these kinds of topics but I’m going to go neutral and unbiased for a sec: FOX, CNN, CBS, MSNBC, CNBC, etc are the political version of Entertainment Tonight; they don’t report anything relevant or substantial; it’s just a bunch of unfounded opinions and unsubstantiated, irrelevant, inane gossip from extremists on both sides of the isle. I don’t enjoy watching any of those channels.
I don’t think any news station necessarily LIES blatantly…they do, however, spin the truth to cater to their target audience. It’s either a liberal or conservative version of the truth, and is almost always biased. They all lie by omittion, though. They take everything out of context, and I’ll bet there’s a lot going on in the government that they may know about but wouldn’t dare tell the public. Maybe because it’s not safe for it to be public knowledge, who knows?
“If FOX said it, it MUST be true!”
@ShimmerBodyCream - Socialism is YUM.
@haloed - depending on who you ask, of course.
@randomneuralfirings - More so than Bush ever was.
@RaVnR - Thank you!
@ShimmerBodyCream - Oh the irony!
@kvdubs - Oh please, people on both sides of the isle are like that, but it’s hardly the majority; just the extremists.
I agree, actually. They go beyond being right wing, and even ignore real news or ignore it when something they’ve reported is discredited or debunked. And continue to report it as shocking news that is completely true. That’s not journalism, that’s not real news. So, I can’t consider them a real news station anymore. :/
However, I don’t really think it was the place of the White House to make such a statement. Really, it’s up to the people and the other news stations as to what stations they associate themselves with, and really a lot of people already consider Fox News as a faux news station. In fact, a lot of people call it Faux News instead of Fox News. :p
I think the White House is actually making the problem worse by giving Fox News such attention and by focusing on them long enough to even make such a statement.
With a name like “shimmerbodycream” how do you expect anything she types to be intelligent?
I’ll never understand why people fear socialism. I’ve never heard a reason why.
@ShimmerBodyCream - Some would say the same thing about conservatives, oddly enough…
@explosive - I didn’t say there weren’t extremists. I would agree that all news stations are slanted. If you read my comment you would have read that in order to be informed you HAVE to pay attention to both sides. Clearly you don’t know how to pay attention.
@kvdubs - I like how if someone isn’t liberal, all the sudden what they are reporting on is not accurate. That’s what a extreme conservative would say.
Substitute the word “liberal” with the word “conservative”
I like how if someone isn’t CONSERVATIVE, all the sudden what they are reporting on is not accurate. That’s what an extreme liberal would say.
Most don’t toss around remarks that are irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Just the ones that are irrational, e.g. extremists on both sides. Emotions and irrelevant insults have somehow found their way into politics, though.
Sure. Freedom of the press. Just because I think the NY Times is a mouthpeice for the Democratic party doesn’t make it less of a newspaper. God forbid anyone be a Republican.
@explosive - Because the post was about an extremely conservative news station. Since it’s extremely conservative, or not liberal, people aren’t calling it news. I’m actually not an extremist, but if you read my content and put it into context you would probably see that my comment was not extreme. I was just noting. I would say the exact same thing about liberal news. I actually read both. To say one or the other is not news is childish, uniformed, and wrong. You don’t have to agree with the spin, but the news is still correct, the spin just may be something you do not agree with.
The fact that you’re trying to start fights with so many people that you’ve deemed to be conservative might make you irrelevant. I’m going to be cavalier, and dismiss you.
It’s just as non-partisan as CNN or PMSNBC, the latter which was criticised even by some members of the Democratic party as being pro-Omaba (over Hillary Clinton, that is) during the 2008 election. Any television news station is going to be biased because it’s all entertainment. Radio is pretty much the only way to go to get truly fair coverage – cue plug for Minnesota Public Radio and my home station KSJN!!
@kvdubs - I’m being very diplomatic, and neutral as possible while are being defensive and aggressive. A political discussion doesn’t have to end in irrelevant name-calling, unless you have no pertinent points to make. Anything I said to a conservative or republican was to point out that they may get offended if someone calls them a “typical conservative” for illegitimate reasons. You know, just how you said something directed at the liberals who don’t think FOX is legit.
If it’s a spin on a story, regardless of a leftist or rightist view, most news originizations take things out of context on purpose to put their bias on it and feed it to their target audience. That is a form of a lie. And that, I don’t agree with. It’s bad, unprofessional journalism.
@explosive - Each news station has a bias. Everyone has a bias. It’s impossible not to. You don’t have to agree that Fox is good reporting, but you should get a conservative outlet somewhere, just so that you can have the most educated opinion. I’m not saying any news station knows all, because every news station is tainted by bias. I said, in order to be informed, watch both sides. I’m not offended if I get called a Republican or a conservative, but what I said was neither. I simply said listen to both sides. Also, I’m not arguing with you. This is not a political debate. I’m not defending Fox. I’m not defending any news station. There is no affirmative or negative side, because this is not a debate. I just noted that in order to be informed one should watch both sides and pay attention. You should probably read this carefully before you respond, because I’m not having a political debate with you.
Also, look at your posts to Shimmy Body Cream, those are anything but neutral. Those are aggressive. Don’t accuse me of doing something that you are doing, when you’re doing it to the extreme.
@kvdubs - You’re right, you’re not having a political debate with me, you’re having an irrelevant, inflammatory one, but I am not provoking. Your words are chosen, as is the tone. And your tone is defensive and aggressive.
I never said they weren’t aggressive. They come from an ill-informed conservative, which I do not mean to say are ALL conservatives. Typically the extremists are the ill-informed ones, on both sides.
I don’t know exactly what I’m doing “to the extreme.” I’m not slandering people who don’t agree with me. Not once have I insulted or judged you, but merely observed your behavior. I’m not being elitist or pompous. I’m not taking any side. You’re creating a situation in your head, maybe because you enjoy the drama, but I enjoy a nice diplomatic debate. But you don’t want one, so I guess that’s that. So is there really a point to subsequently replying?
A slight bias is unavoidable, and unintentional. Good journalism is to be as neutral as possible. but to slant a news story all the way to the right or left is no accident. They all do that. It’s not worth watching.
@explosive - My bad, you called it a political discussion, which I would still disagree. I would still say my tone is not aggressive, inflammatory, or irrelevant. You responded to me and I responded back, which is natural. I would agree good journalism would be as neutral as possible, but neutrality isn’t really ever going to happen, which is why in order to be informed a person should watch both outlets. That is all. I don’t enjoy drama, I just don’t think you are reading what I’m writing. What I’m writing isn’t aggressive, it isn’t hurtful, and it’s agreeable with you in large part. News stations aren’t neutral. CNN, MSNBC, Fox, NYTimes, USA Today, Washington Post, Huffington Post, Wall Street Journal, all of these are major sources of news, and all of them have bias. This is why you have to pair them. Read the NYTimes and watch Fox or any other way you want to do it, it’s the only way to be get a grasp on what’s really going on and get a truly informed opinion. I’m not an extremist and I’m sure you’re not either. I’m sure we agree for the most part that we would rather be reported to without bias, but we both know that’s not possible.
Dunnoooo, haha.
Fox news is just entertainment. Fanatical Republicans amuse me.
Our local Fox station is certainly not serious. I can’t stand them.
If it qualifies as a news station, it is only just barely. It’s not just the opinion shows (O’Reilly, Hannity, Beck) that are awful. Even their daily news shows are loaded with carefully orchestrated propaganda. If you flip to Fox News multiple times in the same day, you will very often notice different reporters on different shows harping on precisely the same Republican talking points. There is no question that it is by design. There are a couple of exceptions, like Shepard Smith, but for the most part the network is much more propoganda than it is news.
@Drakonskyr - !
lol great post… Yes, I believe that FoxNews is a legit news station. Diversity is good, as I would be unhappy if all of them were alike. Although I generally prefer other news sources, I do check on FoxNews from time to time… very occasionally. Free speech and diversity of this is very important.
@skittler335 - I couldn’t have said it better.
We looked at Fox News briefly in Media Studies and came to the conclusion it’s more like a melodramatic soap opera. Seriously. It almost worries me that people call that news =|
Having said that American News in general worries me… in Britain we have the BBC, which isn’t allowed to be politically biased; it’s only allowed to give us the facts. I think in America it’s much more about entertainment than facts.
@misuriver - That is so true. Both sides have a lot going against them because of things like this. One of the ancient strategies is “divide and conquer.” The news media, controlled by someone who is making a wad of cash in advertising, has done an excellent job polarizing people. I had to take advertising classes as part of my journalism requirements. The concept of market fragmentation was brilliant. Demographics and other such nonsense set it up so that there would be a biased media source for each target market. Liberals got their news, Conservatives got their news, and the name calling that has resulted shows that divide and conquer is working for someone. From a journalism standpoint, I know how I think, and I know what my life experiences have been. Fox News has its bias, but it isn’t as bad as CNN or MSNBC. If people want a news source that has nothing to prove, then let them check out Al Jazeera.
@venomxcupcake - In America, due to the popularity of Entertainment Tonight, news programs changed their formats. Today we have “infotainment” as a result. I think Fox tries harder than the rest to be “fair and balanced,” and that is based on what I have read in the SPJ code of ethics.
Fox tries to do the right thing with a smile on its face. Everyone else is dour-faced like one reporter I can think of on CNN.
@explosive - The reason why people fear Socialism goes back to the Bolshevik Revolution. The collapse of csarist Russia, followed by the civil war fought between the Red Army and the White Army was so sudden, so unexpected, and it freaked a lot of people out. When things stabilized, 20 million more people died at the hands of Josef Stalin. A totalitarian government that stripped people of their right to believe in God, and was forced at gunpoint to follow the Party line was too much for people in America to deal with. The “Red Scare” in America came out of this. There was fear that if it could happen in Russia, then it could happen in the USA as well. While Russia did become a Communist country, Communism was born out of the economic theories of Karl Marx. Germany’s National Socialist Party, aka the Nazis, was also born of Marxist Socialism.
If you look at Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot of Cambodia, you will find Marxist Socialists who killed a lot of people. The Soviet Union developed and produced and licensed the manufacture of the Avtomat Kalashnikova mod. 1947 to many countries under their sphere of influence. The AK-47 became the second greatest symbol (following the hammer and sickle) of the Workers Revolution, which is what the first generation of international terrorists like Baader-Meinhoff and others used to fight in class warfare.
For all of its problems and imperfections, the one thing Capitalism does not have is the body count that Marxist Socialism does.
@wordwarrior39 - Oh, yeah… one other thing.
One Communist party president of the USSR once said, “What is ours is ours, and what is yours is up for grabs.” That kind of attitude did not make it any easier to like Communism.
No, you’re only a legitimate news station if you’re a mouthpiece of the Democratic party.
It’s as much of a news station as the rest of the media, which is liberal.
@wordwarrior39 - It’s funny. I think the opposite about Fox News and MSNBC. If Fox News does have anything worth listening to, it’s hard for me to take them seriously, due to all the lies from previous accounts.
FOX is the only legitimate news source and that is why the Obama Administration and Obama personally is trying to ruin FOX.
Marxist always go after the news media that isn’t in lockstep with them. Obama is a marxist and all in his Administration believe in some sort of tyranical form of government. From Van Jones his ex jobs czar who is an admitted communist to Anita Dunn head of his communication department stated she admired the now deceased Chairman Mao who had 70 million of his people killed to Bill Ayers one of his mentors who was (and possibly still is) a domestic terrorists who blew up buildings in the 60′s and 70′s including the Pentagon. You pick your friends, mentors, buddies, acquaintances, etc.
Obama is going after FOX News because they are not in his camp, but ask tough questions and expose the communists, socialists, Marxist, and radicals in his Administration. No other news organization will do that.
No.
@misuriver - I can’t say exactly when it was, but it has been a long time since I trusted CNN. I stopped taking Fox seriously because they treated everything as if it was infotainment. Sheperd Smith was the only guy on the network who was taking the job seriously. Hannity was trying to be cute, Combs was serious but in a way that I couldn’t take him seriously, and I think that was their problem. They took themselves way too seriously. Rudi Baktiar, who used to read news for CNN Headline News was probably the only one of the whole batch of cable news that took the job seriously and had fun with it. My recommendation still stands. People should check out Al Jazeera. CNN, MSNBC, FOX News and the rest are only into the news game for the ratings and the advertising dollars. The truth in the story never gets in the way of their personal biases and preconceived notions.
@wordwarrior39 - We are in total agreement here, darlin’
@Drakonskyr - Boy if you arn’t a hipocrit, what the heck do you call MSNBC and all the left wing tree hugging fudge packing baby-killers like Keith Oberman and that left wing SKANK carpet muncher that is on after Oberman. Demo-rats are a party of due as I say not as I do. Look at all the hate media that is and was out there when Regan, both of the Bushes where president it was like a feeding frenzy everytime the president popped a woody.
MSNBC is the opposite of Fox I can’t stand to watch them, Here is my option if anybody cares. Obama is doing everything to destroy America and its base so that he lower are status in the world. The way to do this is to bankrupt the country what ever means nessisary (health care, wars, freedoms 2nd amenment) so that the US will colapse and make the US ripe for the one world goverment. Its coming people.
They are not Demo-rats. They have way too much in common with emo kids. So the spelling is “dEMOcrats” because they are so in tune with people who have this neurotic dis-associative disorder that prevents them from hanging out with people who feel good about life.
Fox is as right wing as CNN is left.
Both are bias, both are news.
Yes.