October 24, 2009
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Mothers that Kill Their Children
I want to make it very clear that I am not accusing anyone of anything.
But am I the only one that finds the actions of the mother who had a daughter missing and then found dead a little strange?
I am not saying this woman did anything. But if you watch the people who have children come up missing that end up being guilty, it is interesting to note that they all behave the same basic way.
Notice that the mother in this case immediately attacked the killer. She addresses the killer automatically as being a man. But she also sends a specific message that she “won’t sleep” until he is found. She has also made direct comments about the killer. Her statements strike me as odd. Much a big deal is made about her being at work when it happened.
But then I look at the statements of police that are being released to the public: “Detectives have interviewed all registered sex offenders living near a murdered Florida girl whose body was found buried in a mound of trash, but none of them are suspects in her death.”
That appears to be a pretty neutral statement by itself. But then you have the statement by the Sheriff’s spokeswoman, “‘Homes have been searched, properties have been searched,’ she told reporters. ‘We feel at this time that we do not have any suspects who are members of that group. That part of the procedure has been completed.’” Here is the link: Link
Now I think it is interesting that the police appear to be communicating that they don’t see any real suspects in that group. It is odd that they could communicate that information so quickly with the little girl’s death.
Then you couple that information with the words and actions of the mother.
Is it me, or is the mother acting odd?
Comments (72)
Naw. That’s normal motherly behavior.
We’ll never know until the result of the case.
It all requires research, especially as to whether all mothers who kill their children behave a certain way.
I thought her crying seemed very affected, rather fake and acted out, when they first found the body.
hmm. yep. shes hiding sumthing. trying too hard, and its a shame that the police dont realize that shes pushing alibis a little too strongly.
I agree, the mother is acting odd. I am supremely annoyed by these stories which somehow become national news sensations despite only entailing the fate of one being, and in all likelihood, one criminal. How many people per year die at least partially because they do not have health insurance? That is only one example of the absurdity of news stories of this genre. You address the conundrum of mothers killing their babies, and in this case, to establish guilt unto an unknown and give descriptive terms is exceedingly revealing that the mother is either ignorant or guilty, or guilty to some extent by being ignorant.
Even if one shrimp per three hundred million contains enough arsenic to kill, and even if this one example can be attributed easily to various causes; medication, lack thereof, stress, whatever; this story is minuscule in so many ways. I wish it would fly away upon a balloon.
Sure thing. Think of Casey Antony, and Misty Cummings. Strange, indeed. Oh by the by did you get my message about that contest?
i really don’t know. this is just such a sad situation. i really hope the mother had nothing to do with it. i don’t understand how anyone could hurt a child, never mind kill a child, especially the mother. :[
This is the first I’ve heard of the story but based on what you describe it sounds alot like a case years ago around here where a mom intentionally set fire to her house to try and kill her three kids.
I haven’t seen how she reacted yet, if you suspect something then something is up. I am cynical and even before they found the body I was thinking they should be investingating the family members first. She seemed like she was trying to say all the right things.
I blame it on tight pants.
The grammatically correct way is “Mothers who kill their children”
99.9% of the time, they did it.
But like you said, I’m not accusing anybody.
The police probably have their suspicions but no real evidence with which to do anything, which sucks more than anything.
I haven’t seen this particular woman enough to judge, but what I’ve heard fits the pattern of a mother who is either guilty, or at least is hiding something. Now to the police statement about having interviewed all known sex offenders in the area, and not not believing anyone from THAT group is a suspect. I think that is their way of letting the mother, and/or someone she is involved with, know that the police have a good idea what happened and who might be involved, and they should not think they are not going to get away with it.
@XAngelExpress31X - lol; I don’t think grammar is the most important issue here, although of course you are correct.
when i saw her on tv, my first thought was: shouldn’t she be at home, full of valium? rather than on tv with a big purple ribbon in her hair? …then again, everyone reacts differently, as they say, so idk =/
i think it is a bit odd. but I do hope it wasn’t her.
@lonelywanderer2 - You’re wrong. Grammar is always the most important issue. Always.
wonder if she’s behaving that way because of a character quirk.
@Forever_Unlimited - lol; I understand. I was always VERY good at English, including punctuation, spelling and grammar. I could have taught it, but I went in a different direction! Several, actually.
@schallerbrandon - the conundrum is just what in the world you are talking about
@valis10 - haha I was thinking the same thing >.<
@valis10 - Something about a shrimp that contained arsenic and flew away in a balloon.
My first thought was, why was that little, tiny 7 year old child being made to walk over a mile to and from school with no adult supervision? I would never let a child that young walk that far alone, or even with other childfen. Anything can happen…and obviously has.
please no. if indeed the mom did it, then i am very sad even more. the only thing that captured MY attention was that the grandmother was the only one talking to reporters for hours after the incident. i was wondering where is the mom.
I don’t find anything odd about the mother’s direct statements to the killer, or the fact that she pressumes it was a man. In the same circumstances, I would do the same….. Somer was walking home with her twin brother, older sister, & other kids, she became annoyed with them, & ran ahead, nothing about that makes me think there was anything premeditated on by someone who knew her.
& as for the police saying there are no suspects among the 100+ sexual offenders living in a 5 mile radius….. You really can’t expect them to say anything else without any hard evidence. I can only imagine the vigilanty parties out to take vengance if the police said anything otherwise!
@Peridot21 - I was thinking the same thing. I mean, I’m not trying to point a finger at her or anything, because no one knows the truth about what happened yet, but how is she not away from the press and at home grieving about her child who was just murdered? If I were a mother and my 7 year old daughter went missing, and then I found out she was murdered and her body was found in a landfill, I would be in severe depression and not communicating with anyone for a very long time. I understand people react differently to things, but it just seemed really, really weird to me…
@valis10 - @greenbird321 - @Forever_Unlimited -
I am not that insane, I promise. Perhaps my reference was.. unclear. The premise of my rant, which it was indeed a rant, was that small insignificant stories overshadow what really matters. There bringing in the shrimp reference, used to mean small. Next I use the number three hundred million in comparison to the shrimp; this number is significant as it represents a rough estimate of the population in the United States. Thus far, we have a shrimp which is one of three hundred million. Next, I introduce arsenic which is known as a poison to humans, and state the phrase “enough arsenic to kill” which can be interpreted as enough poison to kill, or in my meaning, enough moral erosion that murder can occur. Thus far, we have a shrimp which is one of three hundred million who has the potential to commit murder. The tiny fraction of shrimps which contain enough arsenic to kill are somehow still newsworthy when many more dangerous fish exist. That is the premise of my rant. Next, I use a Balloon Boy Hoax reference, poking fun at the fact that the balloon was indeed empty and that I wished the arsenic shrimp would float away in this balloon rather than pervert our society with pointless news stories. Yeah, that is a bit more confusing than I initially intended.
@schallerbrandon - I like shrimp.
@Forever_Unlimited - Me too. Garlic Shrimp sauteed in extra virgin olive oil. My specialty; at both eating and cooking.
@schallerbrandon - Virgin olive oil. Is that olive oil that doesn’t put out?
@Forever_Unlimited - The virgin in the olive oil simply implies that it was not subject to chemical treatment and is therefore natural. It is also more acidic than normal olive oil, which gives it a better taste. You can find more here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_oil .
I have to admit, when it comes to taste, virgin olive oil really puts out.
I cant say if she was or not, but I can say that if someone took my babies, and did something like that, I would most certainly promise vengence on the person who did it. I would not rest until I found the person and did many horrible horrible things to them and laughed as I watched them die a slow death. Would that make me odd? lol
Did I miss somthing? How did we get on the subject of shrimp? I am hungry for seafood now, thanks.
Yep. I’m with ya on this.
Well… to start with: this ‘loving’ mother has her daughter walking a mile to and from school? Even with other children? I’m loosing my compassion for her already.
The child has to walk through heavily populated ares and past areas where there is a vacant house…? ‘Loving mother’? Where is her concern for the little girl on this twice daily trek?
And yeah, you all can start in on me (ask me if i really care), but what is it that this woman is doing at those times of the day that is more important than her daughter’s safety? No job is more important than your child’s safety and well-being.
i promised myself not to get too wound up over this but your children are your primary responsibility. Whether she had a role in this little girl’s abduction and death is yet to be determined (which i won’t be surprised if she did), but she definitely lacks something in the mothering department…
Hm, I’ve never thought of it that way.
@dubyavu - You said it perfectly!! I agree 100%.
@XAngelExpress31X - No one cares! Damn…
I really hope that IS NOT the case here! People do react very differently to grief. But if this was me, I’d probably be in a mental institution or something.
@dubyavu - I honestly don’t think that allowing a child to walk a mile with a group of kids is akin to child abuse.
How evil for a mother to do that.
@schallerbrandon - haha now that you have made yourself perfectly clear we can move on to the shrimp. I had Shrimp in tomato sauce for dinner last night hmmmm good!
in Pittsburgh, there’s a mother that killed her child because she would not stop crying. the mother put her hand over the baby’s mouth until she stopped breathing, then put her in a plastic bag, shoved her in a diaper box and hid the whole thing in the back of a closet. she then called the police and told them someone had kidnapped her baby and blamed it on a black man. the mother was shown doing press conferences begging for her baby to be returned, please don’t hurt my baby etc etc. when the police couldn’t find anyone matching the ‘description’ of the man, for whatever reason they decided to search the mom’s house. that’s when they found the baby. the mom maintained her innocence for 2 years that she did not kill her baby, then just a few months ago confessed. So, I would agree that all, if not most, behave in the same sorts of ways.
@XAngelExpress31X - Using “that” is not wrong.
We have seen it once…. we can see it again. Unfortunatley, patterns like this are popping up everywhere. I don’t think I’m in a place to judge. But I’m just gonna say it’s not impossible.
I’m wondering who, in this day and age, lets their 7 year old walk a mile home from school… I walked to and from school too, but it was nowhere near a mile.
Anyway, innocent until proven guilty, right?
@MorningAngel - Disturbing
I had a feeling something wasn’t right when she was talking but then maybe it was just me not wanting to see a Mother’s grief.
We won’t know until the result of the case, I guess.
@IntheGoldenWest - weird, exactly… i mean, it’s less than a week later …idk, maybe she’s in total shock (to give her the benefit of the doubt… )
Are fucked up.
I have not kept up with the story, I just know the girl was taken and found in Georgia. I will admit though when I first heard she went missing my first thought was family interference. It is sad to say, but that is often where the police need to look first.
Why would a 1st grader be walking ALONE?! That’s what gets me. Yes, maybe kids that age could do this 20 years ago. But, it’s 2009. That girl shouldn’t have been alone.
I ain’t saying nothing about it in public.
Dan you ask the most complex questions. I say you should be the “Complex Question Czar” for the Obama administration.
@Peridot21 - Yeah, maybe.
Sorry, but if my child was missing, I would be outraged, scared and angry, too. I don’t think it’s necessarily abnormal behavior to want the person who did this to pay….though she could still be guilty, I suppose.
I don’t know. In the case of Caylee Anthony, I couldn’t help but deem her mother guilty before proven that she was. Everything about her never centered on finding her daughter, instead she was self focused. If one of my children came up missing–I would be a lunatic. A stark raving mad lunatic. Someone would surely have to sedate me. If one of my children were killed, God help the killer first before I got to them. I don’t understand a parents lack of lunacy when a child is abducted. For this mother–I just don’t know
Women who kill their children often have Munchhausen’s syndrome. Some form of it anyway. Sometimes it takes different forms, sometimes the mother only makes her children sick. Usually for some kind of attention, fame or sympathy. Sometimes to feel more useful, or some combination thereof.
Depending on how old the child is, sometimes post partem depression comes into play. I believe that’s what they say drove Andrea Yates to kill her children in the bathtub. She had post partem depression with a child before the last one, and was on medication for it, but then went off of it. And then she had another child, and the post partem depression returned. I think they put her back on the meds, but they didn’t do anything for her this time and she may have also gone off of them due to this. And then she ended up drowning her children in the bathtub, because she thought they would all go to Hell if she didn’t do it. So, she was securing their place in Heaven, by murdering them. I think they say this belief was compounded not only by the post partem depression, but also by the fact that she and her husband were following teachings of a specific religious man, so she didn’t just come up with the Heaven and Hell thing in her mind out of nowhere. But, her conclusion on what she had to do was all on her, I believe.
Some say these women also want to get caught. Others say they don’t. Some say these women don’t care much if they get caught. In the case of Andrea Yates, at the time she didn’t think she had done anything wrong. She had thought she did a good thing for her children. And I’m not too sure, but I think at the same time she is also the one who called 911.
But, I think at least some of them aren’t interested in getting caught. But, when they do it is hard to ignore that they often seem to have some kind of martyr complex. I think that may be more common with Munchhausen. But, I could be wrong. But, considering they want attention, it makes sense.
That being said, I also am not going to accuse the mother of anything in this situation. However, I do agree with you that she is acting…a little bit odd. Time will tell what happened.
I thought she acted very strange,,,,,,,,,,, when she wept…. looked as if she wasn’t crying. and if my child was missing i sure wouldnt have time to do my hair ….. sumptins’ up with that woman!
sounds to me like you are saying something.
We won’t know until the truth is known. God bless that poor child.
@gracelikerain23 - I was thinking the same thing and wondered if anyone else thought the same thing. I am relieved! I was never allowed to walk home from school (1/4 mile), even when I was 15+. It just isnt normal imo.
Hmm, I haven’t kept up on this case..weird.
I went to the link and read the article you refered to, and cannot understand where you are coming from with this.
I think it may be dangerous for you to sow such seeds of doubt on this woman. I haven’t the benefit of seeing any of the footage of this woman on TV, so maybe there are visuals and non-verbals that I am not picking up on that you already have. But I see nothing worng with her statement. You know most child sex cases are not perpetrated by strangers but by who the family knows.
It is really not so difficult a stretch to say that the mother (who may be innocent) could know the perpetrator.
These people that committ these crimes are not usually the strange, weird and socially awkward people you see in crime shows. Generally they are members of the community that people wouldn’t suspect, they are members of social organizatizations that have connections with children. They are well presented, well spoken, they interact well with children – they have to. In fact they have to be most of these things to be able to live the way they want in a society that ostracizes them for their abhorrant and extremely devient and damaging lifestyle.
I don’t mean to be extra critical Dan, but I just want to point out that things are so much clearer with the benefit of hindsight, and that it could be a case of this woman has looked back and ‘seen’ everything in context.
That the police have issued such a statement probably means they are ruling out a mob reaction to known offenders in the area, that they have been able to rule out die to lack of evidence.
I guess as a mother myself, it’s hard to fathom the ability for another mother to commit infantcide.
I didn’t hear about this case – but this is like the kaylee anthony case. things just didn’t add up….
What struck me about that was she’s wearing streamers in her hair and party beads around her neck. I don’t know if they were supposed to be symbols of something, but it seemed inappropriate to me to be wearing that ornamental crap when you just found out your daughter was murdered and you’re making a public statement about it.
Being a mother of three children myself, I cant EVEN imagine what it would be like.
I don’t like passing judgments or being judged on how I raise my children, so I dont know what to say.
All i know is that if she did do anything, It will eventually come out.
If she does get away with it, she will have to LIVE with it for the rest of her Life, and most times, THats worse than any law and order punishment.Believe that.
It makes no sense for her to assume a man did this. But the truth will come out eventually.
Ever since the Susan Smith case in South Carolina, nothing can be taken off the table from the onset in the law enforcement point of view. Ask any big city cop, in particular. Criminal parents DO exist… and as never before in their frequency.
Certainly, there have always been criminal parents who have neglected and exploited their children to sometimes lethal degrees. Often, these parents were abused children themselves and thus had their own parental instincts muted by the experience… although this is hardly an excuse. But never before have we seen so many horrendous crimes by parents against their children because they came to regard them either as sex objects, failed emotional/financial crutches or as inconvenient subhuman creatures.
The promulgation of this attitude, I maintain, can be traced to the dehumanization of our culture. This influence is now so widespread and available to children themselves that it, in effect, puts its stamp on the immature psyche and becomes solidified upon maturity. From the baby boomer generation onward, this effect has grown to ever greater degrees. And, with it, so have the instances of crimes against and by children.
If that potential is there in a parent’s mind, it can take as little as a media reported case of such a crime to set them off. This last instance, one might note, happened in Florida and followed on the heels of two other widely reported crimes there of child murder with the mothers as the prime suspects. ”Copy Cat” crimes against children… and by their own mothers?! It cannot be automatically discounted. Not anymore.
Warning signs for police. Single mother or estranged parents. Known drug or alcohol abuse. Uncertain financial state. Police record (a string of petty crimes only can still be indicative). Previous signs in the child of abuse or neglect. Status among neighbors. State of the home (many tip-offs here, sometimes subtle). Behavior AFTER the child goes missing (such as a wildly emotional appeal to media, blame on a general “usual suspect” type, notable carefree lifestyle afterward, etc.). Associates of known or suspected criminality. And, as always, a stash of pornographic material.
When a sense of personal entitlement prevails, it can grow to negate not only the higher instincts, but the fundamental ones as well. Abuse, exploitation and even the murder of one’s own children can be the result. It doesn’t just happen in Hollywood.
It should also be noted that this area contained an unusual number of registered sex offenders. They, in this case, were rapidly removed from the suspect list during the natural first phase of investigation. So… who does that leave in the process of elimination? Naturally (as in the Dugard case) the possibility of an outside pervert picking a “target of opportunity” is always there. But, as is most often in all crimes against women and children, the perpetrator will be someone the victim knows. With children; most often a family member or other close authority figure. Police are well aware of these facts.
Good citizens should be aware of those facts, as well. We’re not just our brother’s keeper. We, as adults, are secondary parents to every child with whom we come in contact. A misguided sense of “minding one’s own business” should not deter us from, at least, expressing our concerns when we suspect that a child is being abused, neglected or exploited by parents or guardians. Such a child must be assumed to be in mortal peril; either in the course of that abuse or as the prelude to premediated tragedy.
there were quite a few cases of children being killed by their parents in Japan…it’s really really sad