January 28, 2010
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The Gay Cure
Gayle Haggard, wife of former pastor Ted Haggard, has said that her husband was “‘cured’ of his homosexual compulsions.”
She wrote a book called, “Why I Stayed: The Choices I Made In My Darkest Hour.”
She also said, “Our sexuality is conditioned, and we can be conditioned in any number of ways.” Here is the link: Link
Do you think homosexuality can be cured?
Comments (180)
no. i think you are either born gay or you aren’t. of course there are drama kings and queens who do it for attention, but i think they are a minority.
I don’t think there’s anything to “cure,” really. :/
YES! i can’t wait to be cured!
In short: No.
In long: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Cure? Repress maybe.
LYING TO YOURSELF IS FUCKIN’ FUN!
God’s curing it with AIDS.
I’m donating my money to scientists looking for a cure for intolerance and ignorance.
If they do have the “cure” for gayness, they need to either market it or sell it to one of the drug companies so that gays can get the proper “cure” they need.
only if you lie yourself into thinking you are “cured”
So now that there is a cure for homosexuality…is there a cure for heterosexuality? Because I see both as equal.
It’s not a disease that can be cured.
can alcoholism or eating disorders be ‘cured’? no, not really. a person will fight the urges all their lives; addictions never really go away. it’s all a matter of controlling one’s compulsions by taking it day by day. by managing to resist the urges to indulge in the behavior, one might focus on spiritual, mental, and emotional freedom.
@Czolya - I wish there were such scientists.
wow, there’s a woman in denial
Gayest motherfucker I’ve ever seen.
Just sayin.’
No, it cant
I didn’t realize that it was a disease to be “cured” in the first place.
“Cure” implies there’s something wrong with it.
But sexuality is a fluid thing, and it changes. Sometimes in intense ways, like gay to straight. However, it happens naturally, and isn’t a decision someone can make just by “acting straight.”
In my experience, anyway. For all I know, this guy is straight now. I’m not him, so I couldn’t tell you.
he’s still a homo. that stupid wife.
i’m sure he can get by that if he loves her and wants to be with her, but it’s hard for me to believe the attraction he has towards men is completely gone. but who knows… that’s his story. life is different for everyone.
Yes. There r ex gays and no ex blacks(except MJ)
There is no “cure” to being gay, it’s not a disease. it’s not like cancer that can have a treatment.
I used to be a lesbian. I found guys sexually unattractive for over 2 years of my life. On the other hand I found girls VERY sexually attractive. I think that’s grounds to be considered a lesbian.
It’s funny though, when I converted to christianity, how I slowly started regaining sexual attraction to men and started losing sexual attraction to women.
I think homosexuality is a choice, and you can change. I know a lot of people are going to probably bash me for this, but I dont care.
I used to be gay and now I’m not. So what have I learned? Sexuality is a choice.
I mean look at the human anatomy, men were meant to be with women.
No.
Cured? I don’t know… That’s a strange way to put it, I guess…
You can change behaviour….but ‘attractions’…yeah…I HIGHLY doubt it.
Lol what a stupid bitch. She doesn’t realize her husband is having a hot, gay, love-affair behind her back with a guy named “Sweetums”.
If only there were a cure for stupidity. But more than half of the American population will die out.
- Kunoichi
P.S: Seriously, wasn’t this guy caught doing cocaine with a gay prostitute?
@EarthsAzureLight - Great answer.
i love the ad they put. “gay thug dating” …
Interesting wording. Cured implies it’s a disease which tends to make people angry.
I think you secretly like making people angry. You’re cheeky like that. :0)
his smile says “im going to fucking kill myself“
blech.
girl-on-girl is hot, okay? don’t take that away from me.
@LikeaMothToAFlame - well said, and an interesting perspective. I can relate, to an extent.
I find it hard to believe that people would
choose
to be hated by a large portion of society, and that they’d
choose
to give up fundamental civil rights. I also think this argument is getting a bit stale. (Not referring to your blog, just the people that carry on about this subject!)
Also, that guy’s still got “faggot” written all over him, no matter what his wife says. Just look at him!
There does not need a cure for homosexuality. It is NOT a disease!
Can we cure straights?
I wouldn’t get hyped over it. It’s a case of delusion. To add to it, I’m sure the procedure works in the reverse.
I bet that guy was cured with the thought his wife would come after his balls with a knife.
That’s how I’d cure my boyfriend. ok, just kidding.
no, but I have elaborate ideas on it… that I prefer not to mention here. :p
No, you cannot intentionally change your sexuality. Can you say, I’m gay, but I’m going to deny how I was born and decide to be intimate with women? Of course you can. But studies show these people are incredibly unhappy and… well, a lot of them commit suicide. It’s not healthy to pretend to be something you’re not.
I guess if you think of it as you would someone that chooses to be monk and give up all desires and earthly possessions. I mean, in theory it can be done, however the person in question must have to want to change for themselves, not for anyone else for it to actually work. I guess this is what people would compare it to if they really wanted to make a ‘good’ case for homosexuality being a ‘choice’ and not a genetic thing.
On a more personal level, no I don’t think it can be cured, only covered up with lies and deceit.
@DrugInducedDuck - HES CURING GAY AND BLACK PEOPLE
@iStephanieMarie - you’re not kidding.
@LikeaMothToAFlame - You make a very strong case. No one can argue effectively with first-hand experience.
Cured? what is it a disese now? Im sorry but if you are gay then you are gay. Yes, I guess you can change your mind, and not be gay anymore. but that would me you were just curious. If you are gay your gay for life, there is no inbetween. and it is not a disese so asking or saying it can be “cured” is wrong in my point of view…maybe its just me but it seems wrong.
Yes but cure isnt the word I would use.
No. Maybe he’s bi, or lying.
@Lordv16 - I really like how you phrased that.
Its the same cure for Austism.
I think its a matter of will power! I’m prolly going to get hated on millions of times for this. But, thats my opinion.
There’s a long well thought out explanation. But I’m WAY to lazy to type that out.
Baha, nope. no way.
He’s clearly not cured. His wife’s name has ‘Gay’ in it.
Yes.
@LikeaMothToAFlame - I liked your response, and your last line is unarguable.
you have to be diseased to be cured.
love isn’t a disease, although it’s certainly infectious. :]
you speak of it as if it were a illness needing a cure. What the fuck is wrong with you people. Don’t you know that we’re animals, you think that big brain makes you special…well do ya? Then why don’t you use it and stop saying dumb things like “Do you think homosexuality can be cured?” WTF!
What isn’t a disease doesn’t need a cure. That means that the proper term is “changed,” not “cured.” And what is of no harm to anyone…. why should that be changed? How about greed and dishonesty; can they be cured? They made this man preach one thing while doing another.
he HAS to say he is cured. watch…. in about a month or so he and his cronies will release a best seller novel on his experience and the money will flow like sperm from his ex-lover. so for him, there IS a cure. cold HARD cash.
no i dont believe that there is a cure.
absolutely not!
doubtless there is conditioning–and there also might be a predilection or a predisposal. One could comtemplate endlessly. Can one switch channels, as it were? If homosexuality can be induced, how about pedophilia? Or bestiality? That could get scarey.
This isn’t really germaine–but I recall something Dr. Laura said one time–the concept of sexual addiction is something the therapists foist on the populace to provide themselves a clientele–kind of like the weight loss industry. There is sexual obsession and preoccupation–but that’s different from something like addiction to dope or booze, where there is actual physical dependance.
so i guess he’s bisexual.
I think that certain forms of it are alterable. I wouldn’t call it a cure because I don’t regard homosexuality as a disease.
There’s nothing to ‘cure’. He’s still gay – they’re just trying to cover it all up.
I am interested in how they “cured” it. I am also interested to see how this couple are doing in a few years’ time.
Macho Law insists that I say yes.
-__o It’s not a disease. You can’t “cure” it. Repress it? Sure! And one day he’s going to cheat again or end up being a very messed up person because he’s repressing how he really feels. I hate it when people claim they can cure homosexuality like it’s some filthy state of being.
Yes, it can. No one is born a homosexual. God created Adam & Eve, not Adam and Steve
Yes.
X-Men III flashbacks, anyone?
I think some people are homosexual by choice, like myself (bi-tehcnically). But there are some that are not. And I think that people consider it something to be “cured” is quite insulting.
No.
BWAWHAHAHAHA!!!
It would have to be a disease first, so no.
no i think that if you are gay that you can stop being gay because that is what my friend did and trust me he isnt just faking it so no there isnt a cure but you can defiantly stop being gay
There’s too much evidence to not think that sexual preference is mutable.
Being Gay is not a disease therefore you can not just “CURE” it..
You are born Gay and you can not change the fact that you are.
Sure you can mask the fact that you are but deep down you know the truth.
– She probably lets him put it in her bum or visa versa!
@stillooking2find - You’re joking, right? *shakes head* Your comment is an impressive display of sensitivity to all elements of an issue, clear logical thought that considers all possibilities, and open-mindedness. (sarcasm alert)
Not in the sense that you take a shot and it’s better.
But yes, I definitely think that one can go from completely gay to completely straight and vice versa.
uh…no.
god can do anything.
i don’t think homosexuality is a “choice,” however i don’t think you are born with it either.
@LikeaMothToAFlame - i agree, men and women are meant for each other. everything else just does not make sense.
@In_Reason_I_Trust - Wow! I must have hit a nerve there with my one word answer. I hope you have a good day.
I really don’t think it can be cured. It is not a disease.
I actually agree that it’s all conditioning. Most things about us silly humans are. So yes, he could change his sexuality. Whether or not he could do it willfully….. I don’t know.
She should be punched in the cunt, and he in the face. Just cos’.
Denial.
It’s almost beautiful how you can word things in just the right way to stir up the pot. You’re good at what you do, whether people realize that you’re trying to get their goat or not.
I don’t care for the word “cure” but yes, I think that he very well could have stopped being gay or even having the attraction to the same sex.
@MySecretLoveAffair - I like how I said “gay or attraction to the same sex” as if they were separate things. Eh? Whatever.
Technically, if there is a “gay” gene, can’t it be removed from our DNA, and thus “cured”?
Science seeks to do the same with diseases in our DNA.
Also, I saw a science magazine that discussed in one article about changing your body one cell at a time, and that you can make appointments with a geneticist to not be ruled by your genes.
Oh that poor gay. I mean guy.
No, homosexuality can not be cured!
I dont think all people who engage in homosexual behavior are gay…some are and that their life.
Some have gay sex for the thrill but are hetero…..
Its all possible.
Not ‘cured,’ but we all have within us the power of will to fight unhealthy urges that are genetic: alcoholism, sex addiction, etc.
Now the question is, is homosexuality an unhealthy urge?
who knows, maybe you can.
Homosexuality can only be “cured” if the perhaps is BISEXUAL and chooses to limit themselves to one sex/gender.
OH please.That picture of Ted just screams “gay”.
I didn’t really look at the picture before… His smile seems to say, I’m dying inside! Feel kinda bad for him.
What a ridiculous notion. Sexuality is inherent and biological. It isn’t wrong and it isn’t a sin. There’s nothing to cure.
I like what greenbird321 said.
geez. its not a disease. urgh. ignorance.
In order for something to be “cured” it has to be a sickness. That assumes it’s wrong to be homosexual. It’s not wrong. So does it really matter whether or not it can be conditioned out of someone?
Through extreme conditioning you can change people in any number of ways. You can condition someone even to remove their kindness or their compassion. But we wouldn’t say people who are kind have a “sickness” that needs to be “cured” just because of that.
Whether or not homosexuality can be changed and whether or not it is genetic is a wholly IRRELEVANT question when it comes to gay rights. The rights should be granted regardless of the answer you give to those questions because it’s the right thing to do.
No, and I sure don’t want to be with any guy who’s been plugging other men in the past, who isn’t sexually attracted to me, who is living a lie (and believing it), etc.
These fucking religious nuts need to back off the homosexuals and leave them to be HAPPY. Fucking idiots.
i just had to come see what this was about when i read the title. i’m glad i’m not gay or i might try to kill you!
yes i can think it could be cured. i think its a choice like anything else. should i start smoking, or not. Should i be gay or not…… both choices are very curable.
Homosexuality is a spirit that mocks God’s the natural order of His creation. All of nature produces life in one way or another. That can’t be argued; it’s all constantly moving forward. Homosexuality is a choice. No one is born homosexual. That’s not how life was intended. If a man recognizes that there is a spirit of homosexuality that is lingering about, he can find where he opened the door so to speak and let this thing in, and then close it, rejecting this lesser way of life, and choosing productive life. He can choose and not buy into the lie that he is not in control. God gave you free will, so to say I have no say in this because I was born this way is nonsense! That’s a lie to get you to CHOOSE to give up your free will! And media and government and lies have succeeded in doing so. Do you have free will or not? There are evil people who wish to take away life and freedom in order to gain more power by selling the world shiny truths which are all false. Look around you! Life is meant to BE in constant productivity on motion creating, but all around us I see accepted logics that “justify” stunting life, that stop it dead in its tracks. What’s even more sick is that they get us to do it by our own hands! Food that has “nutriton” but is grown in such away that stunts the growth of natural proteins, what out bodies need! Abortion, that stunts birth rates, that stops the very thing that becomes life with a single breath… but who cares, it’s not life when in the womb, “HELLO it’s the very thing that will become that starts life! Homosexuality that creates no life! No children are created between two women. Stick two same sex people in a box with all the necessary things to live and I promise you will see that generation fall. It doesn’t work. It feels good. It’s love… Love that does not, literally CANT create life. What kind of love is that! What a horrible sad thing to see so many lives not living to very levels they were created to live at.
Comes down to it, it’s a choice. It all is. At least have the balls to admit that. You do what you got to do. I’m not gonna biblethump anyone. That’s retarded and I’m not God. I don’t shout that gay marriage should be against the law because I don’t think people are meant to rule people. I’m not for gay marriage, I’m for freedom of your own will! Whom am I to say you can’t a b and c. I don’t enforce that, so don’t force me to accept that homosexuality is a natural thing. Funny how I get called names and rejected because I exercise free will when you yourselves want the very same thing, free will to live how you choose. Ironic how you act like the assholes who oppress you. And I don’t mock people, especially homosexuals. My best friend in the world who will be my maid of honor is a lesbian. I love her to death. She made her choice. She knows how I feel and we’re more than okay!
It’s a choice. You preach gay pride so BE PROUD DAMNIT! Why so cowardice as to stand up and say I CHOOSE THIS… ? Ahhh… Because that would make you responsible! Interesting…
I don’t think it can be “cured” because I don’t see it as a disease to begin with. I think people’s sexual orientations can change, but not because they try to force them to change. If someone’s sexual orientation is going to change, it has to just happen.
yes
First of all – homosexuality is not a choice, why else would people be homosexual in a culture that severly punishes homosexuality?
and it’s not a disease or infection. So what is there to cure?
@normality_dreamer - so if you are against homosexuality because it can’t create life, are you also against heterosexual people who have fertility problems getting together? What about people who do not enter into a sexual union until they are too old to have children? Or what about people who remain celebate for whatever reason? They won’t be having any children, either…
of course.
I don’t think there is anything to be cured. I view it as more of a choice.
Homosexuality is not an illness to be cured.
@relaxolgy -
“First of all – homosexuality is not a choice, why else would people be homosexual in a culture that severly punishes homosexuality?”
Two words:. Identity politics. Or maybe three: Identity victim politics.
That said, I honestly have no idea about exactly how fluid or fixed human sexuality is, but the situations in so many prisons indicate that it isn’t entirely fixed.
it can be cured with same sex sex
I’m honestly not sure. What IS ludicrous, however, is when the same people who assert that homosexuality is innate then turn around and assert that gender roles are “social constructs”.
I honestly have no idea about exactly how fluid or fixed human sexuality is, but the situations in so many prisons indicate that it isn’t entirely fixed.
Lying ins the new cure now….lol
Conditioning is really interesting. And powerful.
@iStephanieMarie - More likely, his wife cured him by coming after him with a strap-on.
THERE IS A CURE!
PRAISE THE LORD, THIS MAN HAS FOUND IT!
HE WILL MAKE MILLIONS!
MILLIONS, I TELL YOU!
This is stupid.
You cannot “cure” homosexuality.
if there was a cure, i’d so take it. i’d get so much pussy if i were straight.
lol No.
I don’t think “cure” is in any way a possibility. Management of contributing factors… much more likely.
Funny that she used the word “cure” because I don’t think that even the Church claims to be able to cure homosexual compulsions - justhow to resist / suppress them. (i.e. the “conditioning” she also speaks of)
It’s like saying someone is “cured of diabetes.”
Some can be. I think that a small percentage of gays are “natural” gays. And for the rest it was a thought that became a reality.
… either they’re lying to themselves, or he’s repressing it and… they’re lying to themselves…
absolutely everything is a choice. no exceptions.
thats bull shit. being gay/lesbian/bi is NOT WRONG. its who you are.
@DrugInducedDuck - wow
@gmx0 - WOW!!!!
I don’t think there’s really any way you can force someone else (or yourself) to change sexualities. I’m not gay, so I don’t know exactly how it works, but I think it’s probably like this: some people are born gay and it’s never going to change, some people are born straight and it’s never going to change, and some people may switch back and forth based on their preferences. over time I may find that my preferences change (for instance, I don’t find most blonde men very attractive), but I can’t decide to change them.
Sure, just like being straight can be cured. Psh.
This is going to probably sound incredibly ignorant, and I do apologize in advance if you feel the need to yell at me I understand.
I personally feel and believe that homosexuality is a sin. Not to say that I feel that sinning can be cured. However I feel that sinful tendencies can be curbed and with love and support can be stopped altogether. This can be anything from lying to adultery…to homosexuality. I say this only because I have a friend who went through this, were it not for his personal experience I wouldn’t feel this way quite so readily.
There’s nothing to cure, in my opinion.
This kind of crap pisses me off, man.
Live and let live! That’s my policy..
Homosexuality is a choice, not a disease.
@dork936 - Your response made me smile
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Absolutely not. Breeders just don’t understand it. It can be ignored, and you can go straight, but that doesn’t “cure” anything. I know it can because I have done it.
@iiinfinitesimal - prove it, you fallen for the liberial lie.
It is A CHOISE, Up until the 60′s it was classified as a mental illness. It still is under Gods law aand it is also a sin. People that refuse to ecknowledge God and follow his decrees will send ETERNITY in Hell. God has given us the will to choose weather we will serve him or live in sin and accept satans lie that if it feels good do. Life on earth is short…Eterinity is forever. If you ever burned your hand and you know how bad that hurts can you imagine hell for eterinty on and on and on and on with no relief. All this to deny God and his law.
God Loves us but he will not tolerate sin. He loves the sinner, even me.
@relaxolgy - SIN
@NickB1967 - that doesn’t explain why homosexuality occurs all ober the world, in all culutres and has occured throughout all times of the existance of humanity.
Inmates and straight couples having anal sex ….. sexuality is complex
but I don’t think you would risk your own life, or forever be heartbroken or scorned by choice – ie emotional and physical homosexuality
@relaxolgy - Inmates and straight couples having anal sex ….. sexuality is complex
You got that right.
That said, I really *do* suspect Ted Haggard stopped seeing men once his wife started “pegging” him and/or massaging his prostate.
No.
Lol, She obviously aint looked @ that cat. He probably looks gayer now than before.
But for serious, naw. You don’t “cure” being gay.
@DrugInducedDuck - That is so wrong, so fucked up…
…and so hilarious. Lol.
That poor man! Run away from that psycho woman, guy!! Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuun!!
Nope. Being gay and being bi-curious are two different things. Being gay and being bisexual are two different things.
Being bisexual and suppressing your homosexual urges is also not the same as being cured. It just means that you are suppressing your urges. And since he’s married to a woman, he SHOULD. Just like a straight man (or woman) married to a woman (or a man, if the person is a woman) or otherwise in a monogamous and committed relationship should suppress any sexual or otherwise desire to cheat on his wife (or her husband, given the switch-up).
@EccentricSiren - Having to deal with fertility issues is not a choice. That was a screwy question. People who wait too long to have children either didn’t have the opportunity in time which is unfortunate, or in the first place chose never to create new life which is usually based on selfish reasoning and thus a poor choice. As for celibacy, that is a very unique and special purpose bestowed upon by God. Too many make that choice and aren’t prepared for it because the sexual desire is very much there. When that happens, it opens the door for a lot of screwy things like misplacing those desires on little boys. A poor choice indeed. Celibacy is a purpose designed for a particular person. You either got it or don’t.
I don’t see anyone being up in arms about asexual organisms “because they go against the natural order.”
NO!!!! I have a son who happens to be gay–he’s been this way since the day he was born and we’ve known it. It was no shock when he came out, although if you met him your gaydar wouldn’t go up.
He is the way God created him.
There is no “cure.” And the fact that it must be some sort of awful illness to be cured proves why they think it can be.
@normality_dreamer - Actually, I don’t think it was a screwy question. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have asked it. If you marry someone knowing that they have fertility issues, that is also a choice. They didn’t choose to have fertility issues. But a person can still choose to have a relationship with such a person. I’m not saying it’s a right choice or a wrong choice. Just that it’s a choice. And not everyone who chooses not to have children is making a poor choice, or even a selfish choice. It’s just as selfish to have a child because you want to pass on your genes, or because you want other people to think you’re “normal.” Every choice has some sort of element of “selfishness” in it, even if it’s the desire to believe you have done the right thing.
I think people should stop trying to find a cure for homosexuality and instead find a cure for Christianity.
@DrugInducedDuck - Is AIDS also the cure for being black, because AIDS kills far more blacks than gays? My guess though is that people like you are perfectly fine with blacks and gays dying as long as straight whites don’t die.
i do believe that sexuality can be conditioned, but that doesn’t mean that you ‘cure’ it. i think if someone wants to leave any particular sexual lifestyle, that they can do that with lots of work and certainly they can learn to supress or cope with their compulsions, but i don’t think they ever truly go away.
There’s no black and white answer to this, even while some are compelled to declare outright that it’s all a sin, or it’s all natural. While i personally do believe some people are just born gay, there appears to be some people who become gay because of childhood occurrances, for example. Do these people need to be “cured”? Well, it depends if this person has just turned to being gay to protect themselves from a childhood trauma. That would be a negative application of sexuality. The same could just as well apply for a gay person who turned straight as a result of something that happened in their childhood. Maybe even their adult life. There are known cases where people reject sexuality all together because of a traumatic event in their life.
I think if you can be cured of it you were just experimenting.
Nope, it’s amusing to watch idiots who think they can though.
If it can’t already they need to work on one. Lesbians are icky.
Nothing’s wrong with being gay
no, this is bullshit.
I lol’ed at many of these comments. It means that the subject of “curing homosexuals” isn’t taken seriously, and I’m happy about that.
Because I don’t want to take this couple seriously either.
I am, however, very disappointed, that, even though we live in the year 2010, there are still people out there who think that simply falling in love with somebody, being attracted to them, is a disease. And, even worse, that it needs to be cured.
And no, trust me if I say that it is NOT a choice. I did not wake up one morning, thinking, “Hey, from now on I’m just going to like girls. I’ll be discriminated by ignorant people, I won’t be able to get married in a lot of countries, and in some countries they’ll probably want to kill me! It’ll be great!”
Sure, I choose to live with my homosexuality openly, I’m not hiding it from anyone, now that’s a choice. A choice of lifestyle, as many would put it. I could also choose to repress my feelings for women and pretend to be happy with a man. Sure, also a choice. But I won’t ever be able to choose who I am attracted to. Who I fall in love with.
Also, it’s funny how many people seem to forget that being “gay” or “straight” aren’t the only two possibilities. There are other ones too, of which “bisexuality” is one too. Maybe the people who think they are ‘cured’ are just bisexual & dumb.
But I don’t think this gay is bisexual. He makes my gaydar explode.
edit; hahaha, this is where Freud steps in. I totally meant to write “But I don’t think this GUY is bisexual.” Don’t wanna change it though, hehe.
@heckels - uhhhhhhhhhhh, struggling with hate are we?
@mariqueenofscots - Afaird not, there has been studies down that found that a missing father or a women who decide that she was going to raise a child with out a father and a over bearing mother can cause a male to be gay. An ACTIVE loving father figure is crewsal to the grow of a well rounded child. People don’t want to face that facts GOD is write they are wrong they are will to send eterinity in HELL for perversion.
@TheatreOfKISS - Its perversion, why is it then that 64% of convicted child molesters are gay?
@EccentricSiren - Oh it was screwy hon. I don’t know you so that line “because I asked it” means nothing to me. “Am I against people with fertility problems?” Really? That’s a question? How even on earth? … ? So anyways, k great. Point proven. Homosexuality is a choice. I believe that was a point of mine. As for creating life, you compared the purpose of homosexuality to fertility issues, people past their prime, and celibacy… ?
We are created to keep going, create life, be in constant motion, etc… This world isn’t perfect, but we can make do with the best we’ve got. There are circumstances we face that yeah will hinder our ability to “keep moving” so to speak. So we try other ways, compensate, what have you… So if I’m faced with a fact of life or a consequence (be it stemmed from something good, bad, purple or polkadot) that hinders my ability to keep in motion, is it wise to choose something that when put together obviously doesn’t do the very thing we naturally strive to do?
I’m done. G-nite.
“Cured” makes it sound like a disease which doesn’t seem accurate.
It’s more of a disposition. Even if you think it is a sin, (like i’m guessing the wife believes), i would never say that homosexuality is cured. Controlled maybe?
Nothing wrong with being gay at all. As long as he is happy with his wife.
@LikeaMothToAFlame - Everyone is different. Some people may change their attraction, but for others it just simply doesn’t work that way. I have been attracted to women my entire life. The only comment you made that I truly find to be ignorant is that men are meant to be with women. You aren’t MEANT to be with anyone. You should be with who makes you happy, who makes your heart sing and your spirit soar. I have been attracted to women all my life, and that will never change.
On a side note:
There is nothing to be cured when it comes to being homosexual. It is not a disease, it is a lifestyle. It is NOT a choice, it is simply how some people are “programmed”. It is not wrong, and people need to stop trying to make them seem like they are something to be condemned and looked down upon.
I don’t believe it is a disease! I know they can be delivered through the shed blood of Christ. Bro. Cliff
Well, I believe sexual orientation is a choice. I don’t believe that you are born gay and I also don’t believe that you are born straight. In today’s society (although not so much anymore) it is not as acceptable to be gay as it is to be straight, which is why most people claim to be heterosexual. But that’s just my personal opinion, I absolutely, however, DO NOT believe that it is a “disease” that needs to be “cured”.
@greenbird321 - yah I agree recovery is controlling the urges completely.
on another note. I went to treatment center that claimed to “cure homosexuality”. Many of their residents just went back to their same sex lovers anyway. And if they didn’t, they will. They live in oppression and fight monsters for their remaining time. Homosexuality is just how you choose to live your life. Why are people changing it? Just let people be themselves for once.
@FallingSafely - why do people choose to change their alcoholic lifestyles? or their eating-disordered way of living? because it amounts to a spiritual freedom we all crave, deep down inside, no matter how normalized addictions become in society and media.
@greenbird321 - they choose to change it because alcoholism kills your liver and eating disorders well i think we both know what they do. And they both kill your soul. Being yourself and accepting who you love isn’t killing your soul. Pretending to love someone you don’t is killing your soul. In my opinion. of course that’s getting into the whether you believe homosexuality is from birth. Most homosexuals believe they were born that way and wired that way. It also depends on your religion. Which is a whole other debate.
@FallingSafely - now, I don’t think anyone should pretend to love someone they don’t. I also believe sexuality can be fluid. one can be attracted to the same sex, or to both sexes…but one doesn’t have to act upon one’s urges. to do so only keeps one trapped in an endless cycle of denial and spiritual bondage.
now, as far as being ‘born that way’, many addictions have genetic roots, as well as roots in upbringing and experiences. homosexuality is no different, except that it has been normalized by society.
on a side note, I don’t believe in voting on gay ‘marriage’. we have no right to dictate the choices that others make, no matter how damning. as Christians(true Christians), our joy should be in loving everyone, despite their flaws, their sins, and their addictions. only God can set someone free from a spiritual stronghold. and, in the end, no sin is any worse than another.
(I’m sure we’re going to have to ‘agree to disagree’ in the end. no matter, though. nice discussing with you
off to bed now!)
@greenbird321 - lol it’s funny were discussing this right now. At least you’re being nice about it.
Every other Christian has just pretty much told me to shut up and given me no reason beyond just that it’s wrong and it’s wrong because it’s wrong and that’s how it is. But thanks for a better reasoning. Even if I don’t agree with it. It was a better reasoning then “just because”.
Haha, I could go into this forever.
1- sexuality isn’t a disease, so it can’t be “cured.” that’s like trying to cure blue eyes or something
2- he still looks gay
3- i wouldn’t stay with him. he’s just lying to himself and it’s all going to come out sooner or later.
No.
@catman517 -
judging others is a sin, therefore if I am going to hell for being a lesbian then you can hold my hand and skip all the way to hell with me for judging my sin!
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 2 Peter 1:4 (KJV)
We have seen why God’s wrath is revealed, but how is it revealed? “…GOD ALSO GAVE THEM UP TO UN-CLEANNESS through [their] lusts…” (Rom.1:24).
And because man has “changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator” (ver.25): “…GOD GAVE THEM UP UNTO VILE AFFECTIONS…”(Rom.1:26).
“For even their women did change the natural use [of sex] into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet [fitting]. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge…” (1:26-28),
“…GOD GAVE THEM OVER UNTO A REPROBATE MIND, to do those things which are not convenient” (Rom.1:28).
And because they had “filled” themselves with “all ungodliness and unrighteousness” (1:29-31) the judgment of God is revealed in such things as venereal disease and AIDS.
“Who knowing the judgment of God, THAT THEY WHICH COMMIT SUCH THINGS ARE WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them” (Rom.1:32).
“THEREFORE thou art inexcusable, O man…” (Rom.2:1).
But no matter what your sin, big or little, as we described or otherwise, God “LOVES” YOU and wants to save you, AND HE WILL SAVE YOU FROM YOUR SINS, if you will simply believe in His Son, who died for our sins on Calvary’s cross, and arose from the dead. “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” (Rom.5:1).
I’m not judging you, I’m talking about SIN. I’m talking about a a preverted lifestyle. God has written on your heart the difference between right and wrong just as he has mine. If you ignore this tucking it will adventiably go away. You probaly got ticked off and didn’t even get this far down. These are not my wards but GODS words. Jesus said to the women who was caught in the act of adultry…………………………. GO AND SIN NO More
No.
@LikeaMothToAFlame - Are you serious?
That guy is gay as fuck.