March 13, 2010
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Aborting Black Babies
It may soon be illegal in Georgia to abort an unborn baby based on the baby’s race or gender.
Abortion doctors and providers could face up to 10 years in prison if found guilty of providing an abortion for a woman that wants the abortion based on race or gender. The woman would not face any punishment.
Blacks make up 30% of the population in Georgia but represent 57% of abortions. Here is the link: Link
If a white woman is raped by a black man, do you think she should be able to abort based on the race of the child?
Comments (114)
tricky D:
What the fuck? I’m sure this is unconstitutional.
I’m not against abortion in general (up to 12 weeks), but I don’t think the question has any relevance to the answer. They should be able to get an abortion regardless of criteria.
I’ll get ripped apart for this, but so be it.
I think rape (no matter who does the raping) is the only acceptable reason to have an abortion. I don’t think people should just run around getting abortions as a form of birth control or because they changed their mind about being parents…. but a baby should be made out of love… not fear and violation… race doesn’t come into play in my opinion.
Yes.
I was under the impression that a woman should naturally be able to have abortions in rape cases, regardless of skin color.
@maniac_rose - That’s what I’m going with… I just didn’t say it as simply. I talk too much…haha
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That one gal should have aborted her Asian baby when she had the chance. Now the world is saddled with DearRicky.
I dont like the way they mentioned the abortions in the ad. But barring abortions based on race is wrong.
I think if you’re going to abort a child after rape the race of the child would most likely be the smallest factor to consider. I’ve actually never even heard of a woman after rape going around and saying “The sex was forced but damn it was good! Too bad the baby daddy was black.” :/
@phantomblogger30 -
exactly, I would have put it the same way. There is no way I could get an abortion based on if it wasn’t the gender/race I had wanted. Anybody who aborts their baby because of this, has serious issues. :/. Sorry to say.
I would say that any victim of rape should be able to consider abortion, regardless of the race .
I didn’t know you needed a reason to abort.
HAH, Black people as a species. That’s racist.
Of course not, but how would they judge her reasons? She could just claim it’s because she was raped.
Lie about why you’re getting the abortion,problem solved.
I imagine a lot of women would consider abortion because of rape – regardless of the race of the rapist. Be it a white rapist or black,it’s still disgusting. It’s the only instance in which I support abortion.
She ought to get an abortion because she was raped, not because her attacker was black. I also think it’s horrible to charge the doctors for the woman’s motives.
@Kevin_is_a_pirate - Yeah. The damn legislation is unenforceable.
What the shit?
@chrisrogersistheman - I agree.
I believe a woman has the right to obtain an abortion, regardless of her reasons. Her body, her choice. That’s just how I feel about it. The whole race issue is just ridiculous.
@Kevin_is_a_pirate - I thought that, too. It sounds easy to get around.
abort based on the fact she was raped.
Bad idea.
If a woman became pregnant via rape, I imagine she would want the abortion based the circumstance of rape and not the race of her assailant.
Isn’t it the women’s choice? If the female doesn’t want the child?
The characteristics of the rapist would be important in consideration of the pregnancy.
If, for instance, the rapist were Asian and had Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy, there would be a 50% chance of a delibitating disorder being passed onto the child. This would impact the quality of life of not only the child, but also of the mother.
how would they know if race was the issue? are they going to hook her up to a lie detector?
No, that’s absolutely ridiculous. I’m against abortion anyway, but I don’t really think that’s even relevant here.
Discrimination based on race (pretty much racism in general) is illegal, and you can’t get much more racist than aborting purely because of race.
that’s why Planned Parenthood was founded. a form of population control focused on blacks. horrible.
Sounds quite ridiculous. Mainly because you shouldn’t be allowed to abort anything.
Exceptions should be made in cases of rape, but a report should be required to be used as proof.
She should not abort based on the race of the baby, she should abort based on the fact she was raped. I think this is a good thing. IMO you need a real reason if you’re going to abort, whether its health issues, a deformity, or inability to provide care, not just because the baby will be black, white, or whatever race.
What if a black woman is raped by a white man?
Yes.
Abortion should be illegal period. I don’t give a shit about the reason.
The choice falls on the woman.
I’m against abortion regardless, but I think it’s deplorable to say you can’t abort one “race” but you can abort another.
I don’t support abortion at all, but I believe in the overall option of having an abortion simply because people who want one bad enough are going to do it anyways, they might as well have the option to do it safely. Anyways, if a white woman wants to abort a child based on the fact she was raped and the raper so happened to be a black man, there is no way to prove that she would be aborting because of the baby’s race. One would first assume that she was aborting based on being raped. However, others may assume she might be aborting based on race, but as I said, there really is no way to prove this. A doctor should not be taken as criminal based on the woman’s motives. Aborting based on race is morally wrong, but I think abortion is morally wrong in general. These are only my opinions; I am not trying to force them upon anyone.
Rape is another issue entirely.
But I wasn’t aware that it was legal to abort a baby based on race. Interesting.
How many women go in for an abortion and say it’s because they don’t want a black baby?
Probably not many.
Honestly, I believe in full reproductive freedom. If the woman wants an abortion, no one really has a right to ask her why.
Why the hell are they talking about black people as if they’re animals? Black people aren’t a different species. They’re HUMAN. Just like white people. This is sickeningly racist.
There is something wrong here.
This is insane.
Yep. Abort the negroes and women!!!
Well, I’m not going to get into a spiel on your page, as to avoid any arguments, but I will say that I think that whether or not we agree with the abortion, women have the right to abort. It is after all their body.
noooo.
@blackspiders - agreed.
Not based on race, but rather the pain of carrying a rape baby. Geez.
China’s been doing gender based abortions for years.
usually abortions are based on income…i’m sure if you look at that, it might shed some light on why there are more black babies being aborted…i’m not trying to be racist, i’m just sayin based on socio-economic status, african americans make up a higher majority of people living below the poverty line in the south. still.
Yeah, lets ignore the unemployment problem in this state. Saving the non-white fetuses is more important. The white fetuses can apparently go fuck themselves.
This is the kind of legislation that people look back on and realize that the people who brought it up either hadn’t really thought it through very well or have some ulterior sinister motive.
One possible effect of this is that doctors might hesitate to provide abortions to rape victims or rape victims might hesitate to seek abortions when the perpetrator is of a different race. So maybe that’s the intention?
Of course a more direct impact is likely that a lot of planned parenthood clinics will be accused of providing abortions based on race, brought up on trumped up charges of racism and the doctors and staffers will be forced to spend enormous money and time defending the abortions they provide against yet another anti-choice attack. In other words, this law is a anti-choice conspiracy theorist’s wet dream.
My personal opinion is no abortion should be illegal under any circumstances or for any reasons prior to some reasonable specified point when the fetus starts to be considered viable. I don’t care if you’re a racist KKK member, who deliberately got yourself impregnated by a black man just so you can abort the embryo, you still have a right to an abortion. It’s just like you have a right to free speech even if you are abusing it with hate filled bile. The right is absolute.
@i_am_not_short - why would you think saying that would make someone think you are sounding racist? There is absolutely a huge income and wealth gap between blacks and whites in this country as a whole and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it were even larger in the South. There’s certainly nothing racist about point that out. Indeed, I should think it would be potentially racist to avoid that fact and pretend there is economic equality where none exists.
However, in the case of abortions, blacks have more abortions than whites nationwide in higher proportions than even can be accounted for by differences in relative income. Part of that is due to more complex differences in socio-economic standing. A black woman who is pregnant is not only less likely to have or make enough money themselves to raise the child but also is less likely to be connected to anyone in their extended family who could assist them in raising the child.
More importantly though, the problem is connected to the fact that statistically black women are far more likely to have unintended pregnancies than white women. The percentage of women who have abortions who have had unintended pregnancies is pretty much consistent across the races. And while this tendency to have more unintended pregnancies is also partially economically driven, it’s also closely tied with many other factors including educational levels, availability of contraception and sex education within black communities, and with cultural differences. Most notably differences in how appropriate parents within the culture consider talking about sex with their children to be. This is also clearly tied with religion. Black families rate highly in devotion to religion in national polls and most religions tend to focus more on abstinence and all but ignore general sex education an approach that is proven to be mediocre for preventing unintended pregnancy.
Captain Falcon could solve this problem without all of the red tape.
Great topic!! Glad you are putting stuff like this out in the world for people to think!! When I was raped many years ago, I became pregnant…. My rapist was not black.. but I also knew at that time I was not ready to be a mother, no matter what the consequences were. I did have an abortion,,it had nothing to do with race. It had to do witht he fact,, that I was not capable of caring for anyone else in my life at that time.. I was barely capalbe of caring for my self.. Do I regret it.. No. Do i think abuot it all the time yes. I did the best thing I could do for myself at that time. Inretrospect now.. I think I still would have done it. I still think about it often and when I had my first little girl, there were many tears of theone that I chose not to have.
Great topic.. you are getting there my friend.. See you have the power to get people to really think!! I am so happy you have chosen to accept the great responsiblity of knowing that those that follow to you , really listen!! great job
I happen to agree that aborting a child PURELY because of his/her ethnicity or gender is another form of discrimination.
But good luck to anyone who tries to prove that discrimination was the motivation for any given abortion.
That makes no sense to me whatsoever, but then I wasn’t aware that a woman had to even give a reason why she wants to abort a child.
hahahaha,, how stupid is this question,,, first of all,, whats a white woman doing hanging around in a black bar?
now,, i may go in one,, but im not a woman,, and,,, theres not any around here that i know of anyway,,,
@tsh44 - she doesnt, or at least i didn’t
Im sure that nulls the law completely. But, as for saving the black children, well thatd be good for the government anyway. Sure it sounds humanitarian, but they need more soldiers to die for future wars.That and pushers for the cocaine that they secretly import into the country. Not to mention the money in the privatized prison sector of the economy based on the ammount of convicts each facility holds. Keeping minorities uneducated and hopeless is a huge market. hooray capitalism!! -thats sarcasm for the quick jumping drama junkies
That idea is so stupid. Why should race control if a woman can get an abortion or not?
My English class on Friday had this huge discussion on racism and racialism, and that sounds like a pretty racialist idea. Abortion should be either for everyone or no one, not in-between.
I drive by this billboard on a regular basis.
And no. It should be based on the fact that she was raped.
i don’t agree with abortion at all, unless it is going to kill the mother if she doesn’t have one, so no.
So you can abort asian babies, white babies, etc, just not black babies? Thats what I call racism. Although I am pro-life, if you are raped by someone, you should have a choice whether to abort or not. I may be contradicting myself on this, and I would NEVER have an abortion, but “my body, my choice.”
I think she should be able to abort the baby based on the fact she was raped…
Yeah, I would hazard a guess and say that if a woman were to have an abortion because she was raped, other issues would far outweigh any desire to terminate the pregnancy due to the color of the child: i.e her baby being the result of that rape and the child of the rapist, issues of taboo, certain familial consequences, for example.
im against abortion and im not racist but the woman cant d whatever she wants to get rid of bad memories.
no i dont think any one should get an abortion. god didnt make mistakes
They’ll have to cut the fetus in half…
@PseudoLeben - Falcon punch: the perfect solution if you’re teen pregnant.
I still say it is wrong to deny the right of a living child to live and that the abortion issue is little different than the issue of slavery in that there is a group of people being denied rights and recognition in spite of having “certain unalienable rights”. When it can be demonstrated that a fetus and a newborn have no difference that can be used to determine how human they are, it is apparent that the laws need to be changed so there is consistancy.
@DrugInducedDuck - Whether you meant it more as a joke or not, I completely agree with that statement. People try to say there are different races but all are human. There are different ethnicities within that race, but all are in the same, as you would say, “species”. Little kids see no difference until some school or adult comes along to teach them otherwise and they see differences from then on where before they just saw people.
Dude you’re such an arson. Starting flame wars everywhere aren’t ya?
Well duhhh!
Not that im racist or anythng but if i get raped by a black man!! i wouldnt want his damnn child !
The article says that 57% of abortions performed are on black fetuses. There could be a multitude of reasons for that outside of racism, the most obvious being that the person having the abortion is BLACK. If a woman is raped, that could be reason enough to have an abortion. Should they be able to outlaw abortions based on race or gender? Yes, I think so. A woman should come up with a better reason than that to have an abortion–that just screams discrimination.
My own opinion, but abortions should only be okay in instances of rape. The race here definitely does not matter. Rape is rape.
Wont pass. Jesus every chance you get to bring up religion or abortion or the death penalty you take…have that shit set on google alerts or something?
that would be the question you’d ask in relation to this. Ha!
black people are endangered in georgia i’m sure.
I think abortion is 100% wrong.
But if your raped no matter race or gender you should have an option to abort.
Yet it is not rite to abort because of gender or race.
@phantomblogger30 - yeah i agree with you.
She should have the option to abort based on the fact that she was RAPED.
Don’t play the race card Dan.
@PrincessYnattirb - Thanks.
I see no justification for denying a black womans right to remove what is a non sentient parasite from her body. No one has the right to decide how a person treats their own body, I don’t care whether it’s law or not. Law does not suddenly make something right or wrong.
All this abortion exception shit is stupid.
It should be based on the rape itself.
So the women just doesn’t say why she wants the abortion. what’s the big deal?
this is so fucked up.
I think the woman should receive part of that blame as well, for wanting to abort it based on it’s color. The crazies. Anywho. I think this is a silly issue. If the whole abortion agenda is based on a woman’s right of choice, where do we get off deciding specifics about that choice? So, are people who support abortion really for a woman’s right to choose? If she has the right to choose whether or not to have it, what difference does her reason for wanting or not wanting it to be born make? Seriously. This race card is ridiculous. I’m not for abortion except in cases where it will cost the mother her life or the life of her child — then I don’t really see that as an abortion, due to the mother doing all she could to have the baby. You know? But just the choice alone, I think that decision comes with a person’s decision to have sex. If we let only people who weren’t willing in sex (rape) abort babies, guess how drastically the number of abortions would decrease per year? Yeah… Why? Because most people have sex because they want to, and they naturally should know that there is no 100% guaranteed way to not have a baby if sex is involved. Anyways…
That’s just my stance,
~*Akarui Mitsukai*~
If any woman is raped by any race, her decision to abort won’t be based on the race of the child, it will be based on the question of whether she could raise a child that was a product of sexual abuse. I have never been to Georgia so I guess I can’t say how racist people are there, but maybe the higher percentage of black baby abortions is simply due to the higher percentage of rapes involving black men, and the decision to abort is based on not wanting a baby that came from horrible circumstances.
The lady who started Planned parenthood was a racist and her stated goal was to cull the black population. Why do you think they have so many abortion clinics in predominantly black areas. This is not a hidden fact or some conspiracy theory. It is stated truth back when it wasn’t politically incorrect to say things like that.
I will provide some quotes, Sanger was the founder of Planned Parenthoods former organization called American Birth control league
They considered the prolific poor, as Sanger put it,
“the most far reaching peril to the future of civilization.”[3]
The above quote refers to the fact that poor people (a majority of them black) were having way more kids than the rich and that was a problem for the elite class.
In summarizing the 2 Eugenics parties of that era she said this about the “unfit” … read, poor.
Margaret Sanger summarized
the differences between the two movements:
Eugenics without birth control seemed to me a house
built upon sands…The eugenicists wanted to shift the
birth-control emphasis from less children for the poor
to more children for the rich. We went back of that and
sought to stop the multiplication of the unfit.”[6]
This one speaks for itsself. It’s amazing how liberals can support an agenda like this ..
To stop this “multiplication,” Sanger could be harsh. Her book The Pivot of
Civilization has a chapter called “The Cruelty of Charity.” In it she blasts
as “insidiously injurious” programs to provide “medical and nursing
facilities to slum mothers.” Such programs “facilitate the function of
maternity” when “the absolute necessity is to discourage it.” Sanger believed
that a poor woman who died in childbirth gave other poor women more incentive
to visit her conveniently located birth control clinics.[7]
This is what it is really all about right here …
Third, in the late 1930s people noticed similarities between the arguments of
eugenicists, birth controllers and Nazis. All talked of race building and all
divided humanity into the fit and the unfit. All even saw the fit as
primarily of Northern European stock.[10]
Abortion is just a way to keep the financially poor and the other races down “where they belong”. This is what it has always been about and the Liberal elite want to keep it just where it is. They use slight of hand to get you to focus on how much of a “right” it is to murder your baby, all the while culling the population of minority and low income people with free abortions and catchy slogans designed ot keep you in line. Congratulations on your unbeknownst entry into the Nazi party .. and the best part about it is …. you actually do all the killing yourself, without the gas chambers and to your own race and your own kids. Frigging ignorant sheep.
And how would we know the reason the woman is aborting her baby? The law might sound nice to some people, but the truth is, we can’t figure out if a woman is having an abortion because she wanted a girl not a boy or because she just doesn’t want to be a mother, period. Whatever her reason, she’s having an abortion. An abortion is an abortion. Her motives don’t change that.
I think it’s horrible that a baby would be aborted simply because of that baby’s gender or race. But I also do not believe in making laws that cannot be reasonably and effectively enforced. And I see no reasonable and effective way that this law could be enforced.
that’s just dumb.
I will never ever live in the South… I’ll visit, but I’m not staying there.
I don’t believe in abortion but it is a person’s right to choose how they live their lives, not the governments. A woman should be able to choose to abort a baby not based on anything but her own decision.
@EccentricSiren - I agree! What mother is going to admit that she’s aborting the baby ’cause of it’s race or gender. Sheesh.
She should be able to abort for being raped, but not for the fact that the baby is black.
LMAO. endangered species. thats too funny.
Those billboards are ridiculous. Maybe certain minorities have more abortions because they don’t use birth control as much for some reason. I know I am running the risk of being called racist, but black people as a whole are poorer on average than white people because we still haven’t completely recovered from segregation. A lot of the poverty-stricken neighborhoods are predominantly black. That’s just the way it is. And with poverty come a lot of other problems…Maybe some people cannot afford birth control or were not given proper sex education.
.I just think these billboards are pure propaganda, trying to demonize the practice of abortion. Black “babies” are not at any more of a risk than white “babies.” A woman can choose to abort a fetus for several reasons. But abortion is not a racial issue.
Lets stop with specifics. Should abortion be legal at all is the real question. Though i’m VERY proud that we are at least taking baby steps…
I’ll agree with what I believe is the majority here – The woman should have the option to abort if she was raped; I doubt the race of the rapist somehow plays into the situation.
No.
doesn’t
that just mean black women get pregnant too much ? they are not an
endangered species. isnt it equal to say babies are an endangered
species ?
who the HELL goes into an abortions office saying i want to abort my black baby.
I’m with Phantomblogger on this one. The colour of the baby has nothing to do with it. If a woman has the right to abort the unborn baby then the race or gender of the baby has nothing to do with it.
Abort all babies none of you have the right to live!
No. But she could still get an abortion based on the fact that she was raped and doesn’t want the child. Now for them to say she couldn’t get one because she was raped by a black man would be racism.
@HappyLemming - where have you been in the last 30 years? after 50,000,000 + babies gone in america alone. wake up!!!
@LadySavina - Well, I could imagine somerthing like this happening:
Devil on Woman’s Shoulder: “Hmmm, the rape sucked. I don’t want a physical manifestation of those deep emotional scars.”
Angel: “But it’s a baby! And babies are cute.”
Woman: So it’s a tie. As the tie-breaker lets go to race! Black? Meh, abort the fucker.
@phantomblogger30 - I agree. That was very well spoken. Abortion can be a very touchy subject and I think your answer was great.
If a white woman is raped by a black man, do you think she should be
able to abort based on the race of the child?
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I’m sorry, maybe I’m just crazy…but I think she should be allowed to get an abortion based on the fact that she was RAPED.
Oh…and this whole things seems to be…well…racist basically. It’s her body, it should be HER choice. (Btw, if she IS a racist person who got raped by a black man, do you REALLY want that child to be brought into the world and forced to live with her?)
@kidakaen - Thank you, so much.
i think it’s just a loophole to stop abortion.
Race is not the issue here. Rape is. The only legitimate excuses for abortion ever forwarded were in cases of rape, incest or danger to the life of the mother. Even then, no woman should consider those to be a pat excuse, only a bitter option. A child is not to be blamed for the circumstances of his parentage.
This makes me want to laugh out loud. What does it matter what the reason is for aborting a baby? Same end result every time. By implying that there should be added protection for an unborn baby of “undesirable” (not my opinion, but of the subject at hand) race to the mother, it is being implied that there is some wrong in aborting an unborn child in general. This is a useless argument. Either it is wrong to abort or it isn’t. Should have nothing to do with race.