March 18, 2010
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Xanga and Fraud
Let me give you a hypothetical. Imagine you made friends with a nice Asian woman on Xanga.
Now imagine that you commented each other’s site and talked to each other at times in private messages. Imagine that you are not shallow and that it really doesn’t matter to you what a person looks like. But you trusted everything the person said.
Now imagine you found out that your average every day Asian friend is really an Asian man.
Would it change the nature of your friendship to know your friend lied about being a woman?
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Yes! Liars are creepy! I would immediately terminate the friendship.
Any lie would change how I felt, even one of omission.
i’d say too bad, xanga is not a dating service
That is pretty awkward…
Really, I want to trust the people I meet online, particuarly on Xanga, because you all seem so real to me. BUT, I always am cautious, because you truly never know.
It would definitely change my relationship with them… they lied to me. I don’t like liars.
Yeah, not because of what the lie contained, but the fact that there is a lie there to begin with. Not a good way to begin a friendship.
I would think so simply because the person would have lied to me since the start about his/her gender. To me, it doesn’t matter if you are a woman, man, black, brown, white, purple or orange. If you’re interesting, I’ll want to talk to you.
You need to be able to trust your friends. This would definitely put a damper on our friendship.
What brought this up? o_O
And… I find a way to make sure I know who I’m talking to first… unless I don’t care who they are in real life and have no plans to meet them.
Yeah, that’s kind of a big trust issue.
did someone pull this on you? xD
If it was a man who’d lied about being a woman, while really being a man, I’d be really upset. But if it was a woman who’d lied about being a woman, while really being a woman, I’d forgive her. Does this make me sexist?
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EDIT: YEAH BITCH. FIRST.
ok a serious note, yeah, it would change things. It’s the same as being lied to in person… if you’ve let your guard down enough to trust someone else with personal things, then find out they’re totally lying about who they are? Of course it changes things. If I’ve gotten close enough to a person to share personal matters, I’d hope they were being honest with me.
btw, big boobs + too small of a bra/top = ew. I can’t stand that. :[
liars go to hell. Sorry, had to get that line out of my head.
Seriously though, I would probably cut off at the last frequent communication because I don’t like dealing with people who lie, in general. My motto is to LIVE integrity, not play at it.
It would be weird..
I probably wouldn’t care UNLESS I was planning on meeting them (and possibly dating them). Other than that, hey, if a guy wants to masquerade as a girl, who am I to stop him?
Uh yes.
Were you recently traumatized, Dan?
I can’t imagine it not changing the friendship. It would be helpful if he confessed himself instead of being found out, though.
yes.
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes.
Eeeww creepy..
OH. GOOD. LORD.
Oh, I’m sorry, Dan, what were you saying?
But seriously, that would be weird. Not because of trust or anything, but because guys who pretend to be girls online are probably missing a few nuts and bolts.
Are YOU really and Asian woman??
I’ll think they were a transgender, then tell them I’m really a female.
Definitely. This is the same for any online friendship. If they’re lying to you about their gender then who’s to say everything they’ve told you isn’t a lie? If I was really close to this person I would probably feel very betrayed. Now if they were just a casual friend I wouldn’t care.
@aznspartan94 - is what i want to know. lol.
that’s kinda a big thing to lie about ;;.
I wouldn’t care that much, I’m not using Xanga to find people to get romantically involved with. As a friend, why does gender matter?
DearRicky lied to you?
I ALWAYS KNEW YOU WERE A WOMAN!
No. kidding.anyway.yeah.that would bother me, only because it’s a lie.it’s not a matter of what the lie was, it’s just that they lied to me.
I mean, if they came to me personally and said, ”Hey, I’m not this, but I said it for this reason,” and it sounded legit, I may not be as upset it, but if they just one day post a blog and go,”Hey! I lied, I’m this, and not this,” that would piss me off.
p.s: She’s hot. I’d hit it.
If it was something like lying about your gender, you have to assume there was some shady motive behind it all. How could you not?
YES YES YES. because thats a huge lie and people who lie to you are NOT friends.
Just for the record,I am a woman.
I think it would. I couldn’t trust anything that person said after that.
Depends. If I was just going off their picture and assuming they were an asian women, I would talk to them differently but they never lied. However if they told me something and then I found out they were lying then yes, I’d be upset.
This sounds oddly specific. But yeah, prolly. Why lie in the first place?
ummm… well, maybe he is just a confused male who is planning to have a sex change. in that case i wouldn’t really care.
This one time I did that to someone on WoW. Got him to give me a [Robes of Insight] as a present.
It’s pretty much the most sexualy robe in WoW. Here is the link: link.
I’d say normally it’s not ok to lie like that, but as they say, anything is fair in love and Warcraft.
Hot asian women with gigantic boobs don’t find companionship on the internet, lol.
Right…hypothetical…
Hypothetically, I sound like an idiot. I don’t think I ever completely trust anyone on the internet.
Would be a bit strange yes
The relationship, as we had known it, would have never existed, so how could it not change?
@naguyin - i think my entry
“hay guise! i’m actually a guy!” people ctually think i’m a guy tho xD it’s like uhh *stares at picture* but i’m not as hot as her anyway
@darkoozeripple - woman pretending to be a man?
@snapeful - ..just because she has large breasts doesn’t make her “hot”–maybe to you, but between you and her, you’d win to me.
If it was because of you… this is way too exaggerated. >_<
Yes, it would, but I would either think the man was quite feminine or think that such an admission would be a prank as men/women generally have subtly different writing styles.
A lie is a lie. No friendship can thrive on a weak foundation.
@naguyin - hahaha awww thanks! that’s nice of you.
LOL. Well I actually pretend to be a guy sometimes, like on MMORPGs, cos I’ll get creepy come ons. “HAY GURL Y DONT YOU JOIN MAH GUILD AND CAM WITH ME L8R ON
” …. “I’m actually a g.i.r.l., so i’ll pass on that”. XD
that would be pretty funny, if it happened to me. angie you’d better not be an asian man.
yeah. gawd, i think i’m a pretty good fiction writer but i can’t sustain a lie–and pretending to be a man? how boring.
yes.
Yes, it would change the nature of my relationship. I can’t stand liars of any sort.
As little as I sympathize with the legions on online creepers who only chat up Asian girls to satisfy some weird fetish, its nasty to be dishonest to someone you call a friend, even if it’s an online friend.
haha oh my goodness. um, it wouldn’t bother me that he was actually a man. it wouldn’t even bother me that they didn’t want to expose their actual gender because they were scared of how the other person would react/judge them. what would bother me though is why they lied… like, what was his intention for lying? i’m ok with insecurity or mistrust or even curiousity and experimenting. but if it was for some sick reason, then yes, i would most definitely have a problem with it.
wow, for some reasons you always seem to know how to pick the right picture to illustrate your point…
I would be hurt that my friend had lied to me but I would also be concerned about them. I would want to know why he felt that being a woman was better than just being himself. I probably wouldn’t trust him again for a very long time though.
Did you know..that I am actually an Asian Man?? =P
It would change the nature of my friend list. I’d block him.
It wouldn’t matter to me that they were a different gender.. what would bother me is that they LIED about it.
Dan is Asian?
BAH, THIS IS A RIP OFF FROM THE “M.BUTTERFLY” STORY, ABOUT A MAN WHO FELL IN LOVE WITH AN ASIAN WOMAN WHO IS ACTUALLY A MAN IN DRAG.
i’m not close with anyone online so i don’t care. but if i did find out something like that, i’d probably start ripping on him/her. hahahahahha.
Yes
I know for a fact that everyone lies, because the moment we find someone who doesn’t, won’t, or can’t, even if they have nothing to hide, we automatically assume they are insane. Or at least severely imbalanced.
You mean a beautiful woman with a penis.
did he lied? or he was actually a she before he/she met you?
It’s only a big thing to lie about if you think online relationships are more important that real life ones. That being said, there is no way i would be able to continue. It’s still a trust issue. We only know people online what people WANT us to know. I suspect that not everybody on Xanga/whatever is being completely themselves.
what is it with you and asians?
YES!
Are you telling me now that you’re a woman?
Yes it would definitely change! In my opinion it’s pure deception!
I respect everyone else’s lifestyle choices, but I just can’t see myself casually associating with transsexual/gender people, if that’s what this post is implying. If it’s just a plain guy that’s even worse!
It’s just way too weird for me!
I hope that I’m not offending anyone, it’s not my intention. I know it sounds harsh, and uncompassionate, but that’s just me. Like I said I respect others lifestyles. I think that physical sexual attraction or chemistry will eventually kick in sooner or later in the online relationship, especially if she looks like the picture above!! Heck I’d be pissed!
@striemmy - LOL! That’s just wrong!
Are you speaking from personal experience? My best guess is a yes.
Wow. That’s actually kind of scary! Yes, it would change everything. Who enjoys being deceived by a “friend”?
Lol, there’s a whole group of Asian women (and some men) here on Xanga who are actually the same person, and most likely a man. Not naming any names.
Well the dude would have had to have been posing as a woman, lest you are just assuming and being “hopeful”
Yes.
Especially if they had used a big boob profile picture.
To catch a predator:2010 Edition
Yeah that would be weird.
Yes.
No…. it’s the internet, if you want to know what gender someone is… ASK.
Well he sure fooled you then xD lol
When trust is broken, theres probably hard way to actually see on other prespective then, hate person who lied to you… happens usually no matter whats the lie. Sex difference lies are quite common because people tend to be something they’re really not. I know that I would accept the fact that that person was telling lies is no good. If you can’t be true to someone then don’t call yourself a good person.
Yeah, of course. Once you know they lied about that, can you really trust anything else they said? I wouldn’t. If someone can’t even tell me their gender without lying, they probably aren’t so great at telling the truth.
Plus, with gender, that seems a bit… creepy.
yeah thatd piss me off. its like really? what reasoning would a man have for doing that other than truly wanting to be a woman. in that case id tell him to just come out with it and until then i wouldnt speak again.
I think it would effect things simply because the whole friendship STARTED as a lie. I’m sure it’s something I could get over (especially seeing as how I’m a chick … for the guys I could understand them not getting over that depending on the nature of the conversation.) … but yeah … when a relationship of any kind starts out in lies, who would want that?
Okay but now I’m thinking about it another way and if the man happens to look like the girl in that picture… if the “girl” in the picture is that man, rather, then no, I wouldn’t be mad. And nobody has the right to be mad about that. He’s not entitled to come out and say “I’m really a man.” unless he’s comfortable doing so and I respect that. It wouldn’t make a difference to me.
@snapeful - no, no. Woman pretending to be a woman, like I said. If a man can do it, then a woman’s entitled to. Equal rights. It’s sexist otherwise.
that’s weird…. I don’t know if I would be mad, but I would feel betrayed.
I mean that’s kind of a big thing to lie about…
Yeah. If you TELL someone that you’re female and then show up as a male? It’s just…weird. If they were transgender, they should have brought that up in conversation.
But! If they could come to me and give me a legitimate reason, I might not be as pissed. Might being the key word.
Haha did that happened to you recently? Those kind of things happen on Chatroulette as pranks.
Shitty story: I once lied to a guy (NOT ABOUT BEING THE OPPOSITE SEX!). I ended up falling for him, and when the truth came out he admitted he liked me the same and all but couldn’t get past the fact that I lied..which I understand.
So, yes, lying..no matter what about, is a big deal breaker.
I think everyone slants their backgrounds a bit online. Mostly it’s just embellishing eductions or occupations just a tiny bit. But lying about your sex is a biggie, especially if the friendship has even the slightest sexual undertones. But like the saying goes “They aren’t REAL people, just online.”
Who is it? lol
PENIS ALWAYS MAKES A DIFFERENCE
oooooooooh. that is horrible. Why would someone want to lie about their gender?
Dan, you said you were attracted to this person as a girl… maybe you are attracted to them a male too? haha. that’s really awkward that they would do that. You can still be friends… just ask him why he didn’t say anything.
@nicolemcw - Im just kidding about being attracted to them by the way!
They all eventually slip, its just wrong lol
bad experience bud? haha
@darkoozeripple - Ohhhhh you mean pretending to be a celebrity or a good looking girl instead of herself? @___@
actually, no, it would not change the nature of my friendship. almost everyone hides something. almost everyone wants to change something about themselves, and online it is easiest to change that thing. if what you want to change is your gender, well then, ok. i would be much more interested in finding out why my online friend hid their gender than being all pissed off that they did it…
It’s one thing to lie about how one looks. Yet that sort of lie is something else altogether. There would have to be a darn good reason for me to forgive it.
Well, if it’s not a romantic friendship, I’d probably be weirded out and confused by the lie… but it wouldn’t change things.
Otherwise, in a romantic situation… I’d probably feel like I’d have to back away. I’ve been lied to before in romantic situations and that’s not a good start.
That happened to me, except the dude pretended to be another dude… Way too many times he made really over the top excuses for everything, and after like half a year or so, he finally fessed up that the reason why he was making so many excuses was because it wasn’t really who I thought it was.
If one must lie about who/what they are, they can tend to hide more deeper darker secrets. How can you trust that person if they couldn’t trust you with the truth in the first place?
Haha are you trying to tell us something?
Friendships should be built on some type of trust. If that trust is betrayed, then obviously the friendship may not last.
Any lie would change the relationship, but I guess the impacts are different. In this case could be a big impact because the person is lying about his identity.
haha wow. sorta that something close to that pulled on me. yea it definitely does change things
If you are going to take a sexy boob photo, at least put on a sexy boob photo quality bra. Not the comfortable one you wear under a sweatshirt. Comfortable bras aren’t as sexy as uncomfortable ones.
Either way they better have my money!
That depends, do I get to pork his cute Asian sister in the picture?
Of course it would change everything. Think about it. What was this persons reason for pretending to be a woman in the first place? Make up a fake name and dont post a pic if you want anonymity. Lying about your sex goes much deeper then just wanting to protect your privacy. That just reeks of seedy intent. Sounds like youve got a definite creeper on your hands. If I were you Id wash them quick.
I don’t know. Would learning that your new “friend” told a gigantic, freaky lie at the outset of the relationship change anything?
yeah, that would definitely change the relationship.
A lie is a lie. It means that person didn’t think enough of you not to tell the truth from the beginning.
Just hypothetically if I was the one pretending to be an Asian woman, why would I ever reveal it to anyone?
Not that I would ever do it, but pretending to be a girl online is sooo easy. So it should be “pics or gtfo”
She needs to up her bra size.
Oh wait, she’s a man!
It would make a difference, because they lied.
this has happened a couple of times, at some other site outside of Xanga. It doesn’t matter to me how “sincere” that person may claim to be. It’s possible that the desire to be of the opposite gender has overwhelmed candor and honesty. The internet can be good place to learn new facts and even stumble across new avenues to truth, but it’s also a fertile plain for deception and trickery. It opens to question everything said by that hypothetical asian woman/man friend.
The only question it would raise for me is: do I just cot off the communication, or do I say that I’m going to do it before it’s done?
I guess the reaction would all depend on a variety of circumstances: where were you hoping the online relationship would go? What kinds of activity did the two of your participate in? (online game-playing, casual chats, cyber sex etc). Why did the person lie? Are you flexible enough to hear the other person out and give them a chance to explain and fully consider their explanation?
This actually did happen to me (to a lesser extent) about a year ago. A girl whom I considered to be an online friend for several, recently revealed that instead of looking like a sexy vamp, she was actually morbidly obese. She’d been doctoring her photos for years and led many a naive internet Lothario on a merry game of cat and mouse; never actually meeting any of them. She had quite a following of panting, desperate and surprisingly intelligent males. When she finally did decide to reveal her deception publicly, she got crucified. The men who had been chasing after her for years, were disgusted and furious that they had been duped. Some of the women who had claimed to be her friends called her a liar and really ripped into her. Me and one other gal stuck by her. As far as I was concerned, my friendship with her had nothing to do with looks or even gender.
I knew why she started doctoring her photos…none of those men would have given her the time of day if they’d known what she really looked like….NONE of them (even though they all claimed it was her dazzling brilliance and not her giant hooters and sexy figure that attracted them…yeah right whatever). I can guarantee she would not have had the cult following she did, regardless of her “dazzling brilliance” if she’d put out photos of what she really looked like. And once she took that first step towards deception, it snowballed on her until she felt she had no choice, but to continue the charade for years until she finally couldn’t take it anymore and wanted to make a clean slate of it.
Was it right of her to lie to everyone about her looks? No. Understandable, maybe, but not right. Did that make her a liar of the first order? One who could never be trusted then? No again. I think the situation was unique and that for the most part, she’s an honest person. Certainly she’s been painfully candid since her revelation and shared many things that I know would have been easier to just gloss over or not tell at all. She seems dedicated to putting her truest face forward now and I have to say, I like her better for it.
So…with the so-called hypothetical Asian friend who first seemed to be female, but then turned out to be male, I’d have to reserve judgment (and that’s what it would be…a judgment) until I learned more about his situation. Perhaps he’s transgendered or just a cross dresser, but felt the friendship had reached a level that he needed to come clean. Or maybe the rhetorical Asian friend is truly a female and has decided that you are getting a little obsessive and figured that would be the best way to get you to back off… Who knows? All I know is that if anyone thinks that what you see is what you get, when talking to someone online, they are being exceedingly naive. Everyone, to some extent, presents only the online face that they want everyone to see, whether it’s only using photos from two years ago before they had the baby and hadn’t yet gained all that baby fat or only presenting the intelligent/ alluring /playful (or demonic/ dangerous/ mysterious) side of themselves to achieve some sort of ideal persona.
That’s just a long way of saying, in answer to your question, “It depends.”
If he had tits like that I’d be alright with it.
Yes. There is no reason to impress anyone on Xanga. Your thoughts and opinions are really written for you and no one else. So, if someone feels obligated to lie to you about anything, and especially something as major as their sex, then what kind of person are they? They are a liar, a cheat, and dishonest with themselves and others. I would not want someone like that in my life, in real life or online.
@striemmy - DearRicky lied to you?
I’m pretty sure he rounds down to being a woman.
Depends…did they reveal it to you or did you find out some other way. If they told you themselves than that would mean they were willing to open up and reveal their true identity, if you found out some other way…well, it could be weird, depending on the nature of the relationship in your mind. If it’s just friendship, I don’t know how much of a difference it would make…I assume people on the internet aren’t always what they say anyway. A lot of it is safe, anonymous role playing.
Well, if they made such an effort to lead you to believe they were a woman, it’s not improbable that they put as much energy into making you accept anything else they said as reality…
I’d drop it. Or at least let the boil simmer down.
If they were transgender, then hey. Understandable. It’d make me feel a little weird about them, and wonder why they felt they needed to lie.
I’m actually a squid encased in a levitating orb of water… so… not sure
Yeah. Because if he lied about that, who knows what else he lied about
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lies are no good though
I don’t think that picture is of a man. Just saying…..
whatever. you’re married.
You kind of wonder what is in it for them, that they lied in the first place, like, what did they want out of you? They cannot come across with putting out for you, so they just have an ambition to do something with you, like maybe having friendship, keeping you at arms length. Question: What makes you think that they have a need for sexual gratification in you?
Yeahhhhh… just a little! Especially if I had thought he was a woman who looked like that!!
Yes. There are some things I tell my female friends that are…feminine, and that I would never tell a male friend. I would feel like they had breached my trust in a way that was not forgivable.
@aznspartan94 - LOL