March 20, 2010
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The Vote
It has been discussed for a year. There has been much debate.
And this Sunday the health care bill may pass.
Do you want your congressman to vote in favor of the health care bill?
It has been discussed for a year. There has been much debate.
And this Sunday the health care bill may pass.
Do you want your congressman to vote in favor of the health care bill?
Comments (165)
Yes.
Sure, why not.
@vegetahatespeta - curse you! You took my spot! >:O
I don’t even know what it is.
I’m such a great american.
no and i know for a fact 74 % of americans dont want it either. my saying is if you dont have money for then you dont deserve it
You know, at this point I’m almost not caring… as crazy as that sounds. I’ll take whatever they give with us and adapt to it like I always do.
Yes (take note of my profile pic. lolz what a great american, falling asleep about an important issue~)
Absolutely not.
Obama is the Anti-Christ! He’s a commie, and he wasn’t born in the USA!!
That’s what you wanted to hear, right? Yer welcome.
@rebekah1191 - Thanks, guess I’ll go die in the street because I can’t afford my medical bills. Feelin’ the LOVE!
Yes, I do want my reps to vote for it.
NO.
Sure.
what if i twist your arm
@rebekah1191 - That’s really kind of you. I’m sure thousands of hard working, single parents who bust their asses each and every day to provide the best lives possible for their children but just don’t quite make enough to cut it will really appreciate your pampered bitch of an opinion.
no way. please no.
I don’t have an opinion either way, really…and doesn’t bother me what everyone else thinks either… but her comment was needlessly rude.
No, I’m not in favor of long lines, even higher premiums and inevitable rationing that will result. The phrase “unintended consequences” has become way too familiar in the past 15 months.
@phantomblogger30 - im not a pampered bitch i dont even have a job but i am thankful that my parents have money to buy things for me. i just think if you have the money then you can have what you want but until then work harder
They need to vote against this bill. It’s a bad bill with good intent. It will lower the quality of health care.
Higher taxes and lower quality medical care? No thanks.
If it’s such a great plan, why are Federal employees and the Unions who own these Progressive politicians exempt from being stuck with this plan?
The Government can’t fix Medicare (which has the highest rate of rejecting claims).
The bottom line is the Government, who screws up everything they touch, underestimate the cost of every program they administer, wants another 1/6th of the economy under thier control.
We cannot afford this as a nation. Our economy is in the toilet. High taxes are killing the private sector and consumer confidence. Higher taxes for Government run healthcare, that nobody is comfortable with, will drive it farther down.
no.
@radicalsounds - well i dont want to wait for surgery or sommething else because obama thinks you guys deserve more. i think if you have the money then pay off your medical bills or whatever but until then get a better job or work harder
@rebekah1191 - There are people who work plenty hard, and have nothing fun of their own to show for it, but still have a hard time affording health care, especially if their job doesn’t have any help as a benefit. I’m glad your parents could provide for you too… but they’ve sheltered you if you think all people who need help are either wasting money on crap they don’t need or not working hard enough. Both cases happen, sadly… but not everyone who needs help is like that.
@rebekah1191 - I don’t have a problem with your opinion… I’m not 100 % sure I want this passed either, but the way you worded it was really low and ignorant.
@rebekah1191 - So lets say that your parents lose their jobs and then you get cancer and you parents can’t afford it. Would you think you deserve not to get treatment if that were to happen?
No. They may be the elected representatives of my district but they never represented me and probably never will.
@rebekah1191 - lol. Yeah. I’ll just “get a job”. Tell me, how many jobs are there for people who can’t walk unassisted, can’t stay awake 8 hours, vomit multiple times a day, and go to the bathroom no less than once an hour? Do you know a damn thing about this bill? Because it doesn’t sound like it. Even in Canada, there are only waits for elective surgeries…JUST LIKE THE FREAKING UNITED STATES. Back when I had no insurance at all, I waited a month for an appendectomy – that’s not even an elective surgery. It’s just the treatment you get when you don’t have insurance. I’m glad you’ve been oh-so-blessed your whole life that you’ve obviously never had to worry about medical costs. That you’ve never had to decide between going to the doctor or paying your rent. I understand people who are against this particular bill – I disagree, but I understand. But to flat out say “fuck you bitches, if you don’t have cash up front go die,” that’s a pretty despicable attitude.
No.
@Rob_of_the_Sky - Do you really believe the government is the best source for treatment? One basic rule of combat is to remember that your weapon was made by the lowest bidder.
The VA and Medicare are notorious for providing substandard health care. Now the government wants all of us to have it, except for the Government employees and those who have health insurance provided by their employers. Of course, this bill taxes so-called “Cadillac Plans” with an exemption for those who’s healthcare was negotiated through collective bargaining. In other words, the Unions who bought and paid for most of the Democrat politicians won’t be taxed like the rest of us.
After seeing how votes were bought for this bill in Nebraska and Louisiana with pork, it’s obvious most people don’t want it.
@Rob_of_the_Sky - Good point….
@radicalsounds - well i dont think you should die but then again just like pro choice people say the world is overpopulated
@rebekah1191 - lol. when in doubt, just turn the conversation to abortion. *headdesk*
@Rob_of_the_Sky - no i dont and if i were to die anyway i would not want a treatment. if i am meant to die then i am meant to die and if i am meant to live then the same thing.
Yeah I’m not feelin’ it brother..
@phantomblogger30 - i dont think all people who need help are wasting their money or something like that and yes i worded it wrong. what i meant is that you can just live your life off of welfare if you really need money then get a job. like my cousin she is a single parent who is has no job and is about to be put out on the streets so my family gave her money for this month rent but from what i have heard is that she hasnt got a job yet. dont just wait for obama to help do it yourself
@rebekah1191 - Well, your cousin makes the rest of us look bad. I’m a single mother lucky enough to do well on my own… and lucky enough to have health benefits… but it wasn’t always so. At one point I worked 2 jobs and went to college. So you can understand my feelings of irritation when I’m lumped in with people who abuse the system.
Definitely not.
NO.
I’m saying yes on this one. Considering that I lost my health insurance because my job cut my hours while my husband was going through chemotherapy for Hodgkin’s Lymphoma. And we have since been denied health insurance from every company and option that we have tried. Which is more than I can count. Being “young and healthy” doesn’t apply to my husband. Something needs to be done.
@rebekah1191 - You need to read Jonathan Kozol’s “Amazing Grace” about people in the Bronx. Some people just have no way of making enough money to afford basic health care, and it has nothing to do with their work ethic.
Yet, though I’m no hippie, I can’t say that I trust the government enough to handle this well.
Good idea, but I’m not sure about what’s in the bill these days. I’d like to find out more, ya know, for myself and not have my mind made up by rumors/speculations like so many are settling for.
We definitely need reform, that’s for sure. I’m just not sure this is going to deliver what we actually need.
Lol at some of these comments. Ahh to still have your parents pay for everything…
Just get a job!! And work harder!! Holy shit that’s genius! Someone should clue in the recently unemployed of this brilliant idea.
“We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.” Oh, Pelosi, you old rascal!
I’m making it a point to NOT come back here tomorrow and read the comments, because it’s already scary seeing so many people who have no clue what’s going on or what’s at stake here and nor do they care. And for the record, people, we all want ‘something’ done, but it doesn’t HAVE to be this disaster of a bill that doesn’t do anything but run us into the ground.
@UTAlan - Yeah, and why doesn’t this scare more people?!
Oh hell no. The problem is having dual hometowns… (Ohio, Indiana) I can’t do a whole lot.
I wasn’t going to say anything, but one girl’s comment is insane. Maybe this isn’t the best bill and there is debates whether or not it should be passed, but I think it is WRONG to say that if you can’t pay for health care you don’t deserve it. What?! Seriously. That’s the craziest statement ever. It does not matter who you are, what you look like, what you do… You deserve —DESERVE—- adequate health care. No questions.
@Jaffyjopher222 - add meh
@phantomblogger30 - She even looks like a pampered bitch. Oh wait, that sounded judgmental didn’t it? Kind of like lumping all people who make a low income into one category, or any category at all. Those who do not want help with their own health care are free to refuse it. They have no right to deprive others who need it.
@rebekah1191 - You just contradicted yourself. You say you aren’t pampered and yet your parents provide for your needs. Then you make sweeping statements about what people should or should not do in order to have health care. You probably don’t even know what it costs.
@soul_survivor - i might not now how much it cost but i am only 18. i just got my first job .my parents dont pampered me. if they did i would have a new car and other stuff i want but they dont give me that. they only give me what i need . and how the heck do i look like a pampered bitch
@rebekah1191 - Many single parents have not yet had the opportunity to upgrade their education enough to live on more than starvation wages. So, they are supposed to go and work for less than they’d make on welfare and pay someone else to raise their kids on top of that? How about suggesting some educational upgrading to increase their employability. I’m not in that boat, but I can sympathize with people who are. I don’t even know why I am talking to you. You don’t even support yourself. For you to judge others is outrageous.
@rebekah1191 - Most people start working at 16 if not younger. What were you doing for the last two years? Not working very hard I guess.
@soul_survivor - im not judging anyone all im saying is people over use welfare. i think that if everyone on welfare actually went out there and got a job and made some money instead of just siting on their butts waiting for obama to give them more money, i think this world would be a better place if more people decide to get jobs. i also think we wouldnt have so much unemployment too
@soul_survivor - i tried to get a job but guess what i couldnt because my parents wouldnt let me so there. dont judge me before you ever know me
@rebekah1191 - touche
@rebekah1191 - I’m not sure if you’ve read the news lately but people who have been working hard in positions for decades have been losing their jobs left, right and centre. These are people who thought they had job security. Factories are shutting down and going bankrupt. Banks are shutting down too, closing their doors. Pay attention. If it was that easy for just “anyone” to get a decent job, everyone would have one.
@rebekah1191 - some people do abuse welfare. In any system, there are going to be those who use to excess. You have not been a taxpayer. You have not personally been affected by this and obviously you are just parroting someone else’s thoughts on this, maybe your parents’. When you have some actual information behind your opinions, open your mouth. Until then, don’t talk about stuff you know nothing about and especially do not belittle others who are living in a world that is so very far removed from yours.
I’d say yes. How many years have politicians been talking about reform yet nothing has happened. This is a first step. It’s certainly not a perfect solution but at least it’s a step forward from where they were, which was at a standstill. He promised change and he is delivering that.
@soul_survivor - i can think for my own self. my parents dont think for me okay. i am acutally scared that i wil be one of those people which is why i speak out about it so that i wont do it
against, the government has been involved with our lives enough.
@rebekah1191 - hunny, you’ve never lived out in the real world. After a few years out there then you can try to defend the statements you’ve just carelessly made. And, “If I’m meant to die I would not want treatment” make sure you repeat that to your parents.
@AshleyElizabeth89 - you have no idea what i have been through in my life. okay i have experience the real world and i do live in it everyday since i dont have a job and i am in debt
No. By its very nature it’s a 3rd party purchase which makes it more prone to waste, abuse, and not what I care to spend my hard earned dollars on. It increases government involvement in my life in unconstitutional ways. The tactics been used to pressure the passing of the bill don’t just go against the Constitution, they’re shady, don’t have the people in mind, and represent the absolute worst of Chicago style politics.
The President promised that the bill wouldn’t fund abortion. Should I speak about his broken promise or my pro-life position? What about the lack of any semblance of a conscience clause that lets those who don’t agree with abortion not participate instead of risking losing their license/job? Relax the laws for insurance – make it available across state lines. The bad/overpriced companies will go out of business or adjust. Tort reform – malpractice insurance is a significant cost of our healthcare. Frivolous lawsuits (I’m not saying not to prosecute/sue doctors who screw up) cost doctors a ton of money, and that cost gets passed on to the consumers – you and me. There’s a ton of reasons not to pass this bill, and only a few things this bill actually does that are worthwhile. Lumping the student loan program in as a sideshow is another sneaky government takeover of something it shouldn’t have its grubby little hands on. Read the Constitution. Have a nice day,Justin
@rebekah1191 - You don’t have a job but are in debt. But there are people who don’t have a job, are in debt AND they have not only themselves to look after but their children as well. Many, many people are suffering through the latter situation, so honestly, you’re not truly experiencing ‘the real world’ yet. Furthermore, you previously stated that your parents only give you what you need, but there are so many college students right now who DON’T get any financial aid and who DON’T get ANY support at all from their parents and are working their asses off to pay for tuition themselves. I’m afraid they’ve experienced ‘the real world’ more than you probably ever will.
I agree with you that people who abuse the welfare system seriously need to get off their asses and effing work, so I see the original point you were trying to make, but I think your wording was just unfortunate and came off as really rude.
As for the actual question, no.
The only thing this entire conversation has served to demonstrate is how crazy the opinions of rebekah1191 are.
I would like to see a Nay vote. I have yet to see any program the government does or runs correctly. They have yet to fix SS which would only tale a modest adjustment of age. When they put in medicare and medicade check out what the cost to see a doctor before and after should tell some one something!
I feel left out, being in the UK and all.
NO! everytime the government gets involved in things it goes to hell in a handbasket and they end up skimming money off the top to line their pockets. If it’s such a great health care deal, why aren’t they going to have to participate in it too??? I say don’t pass any health care ideas unless they are willing to participate in it, then we will know we are getting a good deal.
i prefer the government keep their nose out of my personal business.
Nope. I hope it gets voted down.
I’ve got no personal problem with a socialized healthcare system if it’s done intelligently. I’ve checked out this health care bill and I don’t feel good about it. I don’t like some of the power our government will have to decide what treatments will be covered and the fact that there is no appeals process for denials of coverage. I also don’t care for the fact that we’ll be taxed out the ying yang for this (what appears to be) not especially well thought out health care. It also sucks that we won’t get to choose our own healthcare plan. A total stranger will do that, according to (probably) some basic info about us and national statistics.
The government also will have real time access to our bank accounts and the ability to withdraw funds and I REALLY hate that. I see the backlash for that particular action as catastrophic. First of all, it opens the door for abuse by unscrupulous employs (I mean really, this is the GOVERNMENT we’re talking about here). But more importantly, I see the potential for people to start closing bank accounts and finding ways to hide their funds.
PS: I totally agree with trapperhoney.
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@soul_survivor -
That’s a good point.. as well the other stuff you’ve mentioned.
I would have to say no, since the bill isn’t really even written yet. They will be voting on the idea of the bill…to me that is like voting on the idea of a candidate… oh wait we did that already… And I am one of the millions with no insurance, I can not for the life of me understand how if I can not afford insurance, I will be able to afford paying into this system right away, that will not begin to offer me benefits until 2013… and giving the gov’t access to my bank account bothers me… but of course that is only rumor since we have yet to SEE a finished bill… there is too much left to speculation… would you want to sign a contract that had fill in the blank spaces in it?
Not this bill.
NO!!! As a member of the health care community I know what this will do and it will not provide health care to all, what it will do is provide lesser quality care to those that fit the criteria and ration care to others that the government feels are not worthy. Have you READ this thing, all 1700 and some pages? If not then you are not entitled to an opinion because you don’t know what you are talking about no matter what your opinion may be. I hope it ends up in the trash, I hope there are enough representatives that truly want to represent the people and not their political careers to vote it down. BB61 has it right, higher taxes on those of us you live here legally and work hard, and the government can’t administrate anything correctly!
@rebekah1191 - Wow, i don’t like saying this to people, but when the shoe fits, it fits. You have to be one of the most miserable pathetic cold hearted people I have seen have the nerve to even speak words when they shouldn’t be allowed. If you disagree with the plan like so many other people, then thats on you. To say that if people don’t have the money, they don’t deserve the health is just sad in so many ways. Doesn’t matter tho, the Lord is my doctor, and the doctor to anyone who opens their heart to him and he will make sure they are alright. Miserable excuses for human beings such as yourself, obviously don’t know him so when it really matters, you’ll be the one without a doctor in life. I would say good luck but I can’t bring myself to truly wish that for you.
HeLL NO! It’s a priveledge, not a right.
Our government is incapable of running small things, they shouldn’t have control of the whol country’s healthcare!
@rebekah1191 -”im not a pampered bitch i dont even have a job but i am thankful that my parents have money to buy things for me. i just think if you have the money then you can have what you want but until then work harder”. Lol you are truly mindless. for one I think we all Lol’ed when you said you weren’t a b i t c h, the 1st bit of senseless words that came out of your mouth made it clear that you are one woman who has earned that title, congrats. Also you say you aren’t pampered, yet you say your parents have money and you do not work, wow, thanks for defining pampered and moron in the same sentence for us. How can someone who doesn’t work say work harder? Okay, so if they made a rule saying that everyone who’s old enough to work and yet lacks a job, will not be allowed health insurance because they are not pulling their own weight in life, where would that leave you? Well by your logic and sense of whats right, an ambulance could drive by and see you laying on the street covered in blood from being shot by oh I don’t know, one of the many enemies i’m quite sure you’ve made in life, and the paramedics could just stop and see if you had a job to pay for your own insurance before they help you. After finding out that you’re a pampered brat who has been sheltered from the real adult world, they could leave you there to bleed out. See thats…..well when using that example for your idea of healthcare, it doesn’t sound as bad for some unknown reason o_O. Yet when I think of actual human beings going through that, it really sickens me so I still go for the health bill.
Hellz no. More taxes? death panels? yea. no thanks.
So I was just thinking. Your Save the Boobs is to raise free mammograms for women with no health care insurance. But if this bill passes, then does that include mammograms? So then those women could afford mammograms? So then…. no more boobs?
@rebekah1191 - You know, I work two jobs, and barely can make enough to pay my regular bills off. So fuck off. If there’s a bill out there that can help people like me stay healthy, so I can keep working and keep paying my debts, then I’ll support it no matter how long it would take to put together. And people with your attitude can seriously get fucked. We can’t all be rich, so why should we suffer when we work just as hard, if not harder than those who have the money?
Or are you saying that someone who inherited millions of dollars deserves the better healthcare over the widow(er) of 3 who has to work two jobs just to make ends meet? If so, kindly take yourself out of the gene pool, immediately.
@rebekah1191 - Lol you sound like a 5 year old little girl. “My parents wouldn’t let me get a job so there” (did you stick your tongue out at us as well?). Judge you before we know you? Unfortunately you have let us know enough to make a valid judgement call. You make people not want to know you. Obviously proven by the responses to your comments on here, you bring out the worst in people.
I do agree with one thing you’ve said, people do overuse welfare, which is one reason that there are so many people like you who think that EVERY single person who does it is trying to take advantage of the system. There are hardworking people out there who work there buts off and still never get anything beyond what they had. Why you ask? It’s because systems are in place to keep the poor poor and make the rich richer. Sure some blessed people work hard enough and smart enough to slip through the cracks, but that doesn’t mean that all people who don’t make it, didn’t work hard enough. Some people are born into struggling families, families who struggle because their ancestors were suppressed. They ended up being born into a situation where they had to work from a young age, not able to to give full attention to their studies, also they likely went to schools that did not have proper education systems, not enough teachers, or enough books, etc. Not to mention the stress they deal with at school, having to worry about getting stabbed or shot when going to school. Schools with medal detectors, how sad. They grow up in an environment surrounded by people acting like animals because their survival instincts are pushed to a max and because those people are products of that said environment that is meant to keep them and their descendants suppressed . It doesn’t mean they should be breast fed by the government for life, but it helps to have programs that help them work a little less while attending school because they have help buying groceries for their younger siblings.
? Spoiled brat!
Now no this doesn’t apply to everyone using welfare, but for those people who truly deserve a little help, is it so bad if it takes a few extra tax dollars from your parents wallets. Oh I’m sorry, was that tax money going to pay for your next pair of shoes
@rebekah1191 - it sounds to me that you cannot afford your own health insurance, as you are not employed and are completely dependent on your parents. So, if we examine what you’ve said, you don’t deserve insurance because you can’t pay for it.
Does anyone else see the double standard here? I am glad you are lucky enough to have help from your parents, but don’t make the mistake of thinking it gives you the right to look down your nose at everyone else.
No way! If that passes it is political suicide! We’ve got a big enough deficit as it is.
Sure, health care is important, my entire family has no health care.
But why pass something that the majority of Americans are completely against!?
They need to figure something out that works for everyone, not just some mediocre bill that will cover basics.
Especially when our taxes will increase…for something of low quality.
No, just, no.
@rebekah1191 - You said, “i think that if everyone on welfare actually went out there and got a job and made some money instead of just siting on their butts waiting for obama to give them more money, i think this world would be a better place if more people decide to get jobs.”
Not EVERYONE on welfare sits on their butts. PLENTY of people on welfare work and just don’t make enough. It’s not as simple as some of you people think it is. That is a sweeping generalization of those on welfare. You don’t like to be judged, but you sure don’t mind generalizing everyone in a certain program.
No. I wish there was a better way to reform health care.
Ga ga goo goo.
@rebekah1191 - I’m not going to argue with you, I simply want to point this out and make it known: You are fucking retarded.
@soul_survivor - I
know, right? How can someone get to eighteen, without EVER having
worked a day in her life, and claim not to be pampered? Even if her
parents provide for all the “basics,” she has to get spending money
somewhere. Most 18 year olds have worked for a least two or three years…
This whole Obama/healthcare debate has a certain quote from a book in my head:
“Four legs good, two legs BETTER!”
(I’m answering the original question with a NO, if the quote didn’t make it clear).
I’m 16, and I’m not really sure what the health care bill says. Can someone explain it to me? Then I’ll form my opinion
No. If Congress ever intends to pass a “health care” bill they need to completely start over from scratch.
ABSOLUTELY NOT !!! THIS WOULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE IN WAYS YOU JUST CAN’T IMAGINE , AND NONE OF IT IS GOOD !!
No. Good lord, I do not want it passed.
@aycockeric85 - How can you quote Scripture, then attack a young girl so generously? You’re gonna judge someone (and post like three or four replies when she stopped replying) for being ignorant, yet you’re probably just as bad.
I guess everyone likes to jump on a bandwagon to raise their self esteem every once in a while.
I hate to tell you Obama supporters, but this health care bill is poorly constructed. I know you guys hang on his every word, but you really should take the time to read the actual bill. First off, Health insurance companies and companies that produce the equipment hospitals use will have brand new taxes. I don’t know about you, but new taxes can only lead in two directions. Higher cost of health care or diminished quality. All of that just so a few more Americans can have insurance? Nonsense. Furthermore, they’re making drastic cuts to medicare/medicaid. 40% cuts, by the way. All so they can reduce the deficit by 17 billion dollars a year. Don’t they spend around a trillion dollars a year?
I say no to shitty health reform. I’m in to doing things right and not for name sake. >.>
@Drewsius - dude!!!! XD Comrade Obama is always right!
@I_like_commenting_indeed - um first i have worked before i was eighteen it was called babysitting jobs but those are real jobs and second you have no idea how much i hate the word retard so dont judge me okay
@Brilliant_Innocence - i am sorry i didnt mean everyone it is just the people i know on welfare over use it and dont go get jobs
Fuck no.
@rebekah1191 - Since when do people deserve to be healthy just because of how much money they have? Tons of people can’t afford health care, I can’t imagine why anyone wouldn’t deserve to LIVE. It has nothing to do with not working hard enough, lots of people just get the short end of the stick in life. Some people lose their jobs and can’t work because of their health issues. They just don’t work hard enough? That’s really wrong.
@LauraG0929 - im not saying they dont deserve im saying if they are on welfare they shouldnt over use it like if they are my age and on it and healthy as can be they should really try to get a job and stuff like that. but if they are 50 and they have back problems and cancer and other horrible things then yes they can use welfare but i also think people need to save more money so they arent using all of the government bailouts
@freenoodles@healthkicker - i am not totally depended on my parents. i can make my own food, pay my own bils,and everything else a regulaur adult does but i dont have to do because i still live at home. but i do deserve insurance because i still live at my parents house so they pay for it look it not my style of living. if i had a choice i would have been out of this house at 16 but even though i m 18 i dont have anywhere else to stay without a paycheck
@rebekah1191 - So your main argument is basically “Get a job”, yet you said yourself you can’t get a job. Ever stop to think all these people ‘abusing’ welfare are desperately trying to get a job, but can’t becuase we’re in a shitty economy and there are no jobs available? What if you have an underlying medical condition that prevents you from working if untreated. You need a job to pay for it, but can’t get a job because of it. What do you do in that situation? You can’t pay for it because you have no insurance, no job, and barely any living money. Consider more than just what you’ve experienced in life and look at all people. Everyone deserves to live, thrive, and be happy. Not just the rich and those taken care of my the rich.
As to the original question, yes and no. Yes, I think the ill could be beneficial if it’s done right. But no, this one is not the right choice.
@aycockeric85 - first i am not judging anyone okay. i am saying what is my opinion everyone has an opinion. you opinion is that i am spoiled brat which i am not. i pay for my own shoes, my own clothes, my own everything but i still live at my parents house. im only 18 is that so wrong
no i dont think it is wrong that my parents have taxes but if this health care bill is passed, those taxes will go to abortions and well me and my family are very pro. life and i know that you might be pro choice or whatever but i dont want my parents taxes going to help babies get killed
@xxsqueexxx - look i know it is hard to get a job now but it isnt impossible. i had a job just last week but i quit because they werent giving me any hours. second i have thought about these people my aunt and her daughter and her grandson are those people. my aunt cant work because she is almost parasyled and her daughter well honest to god she is just lazy sorry but it is the truth and her grandson well it isnt his fault because he is only 8 .now he does dserve some money but she doesnt because she is taking money from my family and using it for this months rent. she wont even get a job so yea
No
@rebekah1191 - Welfare has nothing to do with the health care bill. Of course some people abuse welfare, but I don’t really see how that relates to the topic at hand. Once you move out and get a little more independence you may change some of your views. It all comes with maturity.
I’ve been working since before I was 16, I was kicked out of my house at 16, I worked three jobs to put myself through college, and I had really crappy health insurance through one of my jobs…and still after all of that, going to the hospital for anything was out of the question because I had real world bills that came first.
I’m sorry if you’ve been misunderstood on here, but just try to think a little more before you say something that will come across so harshly. I’ve read through the other comments here and I’m not going to say anything else about it, I think you’ve been beaten over the head enough.
@Schristian - no i dont believe that. first i am sorry that you have to work two job s just to make ends meet. it isnt my fault that the economy sucks. secondme and my parents arent rich. my parents both only make 50 thousand a year. that isnt rich to me,
@phantomblogger30 - lol That was an awesome comment. Three cheers for you sister!!!
It depends on how watered down it has become since the bipartisan summit. I’ll have to check it out later. I am in favor of it, if for nothing else it will help the job market out to have something concrete one way or the other.
At the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, Ben Franklin was asked what we had, a monarchy or a republic, as he left Independence Hall. His reply was, “A republic, if you can keep it.”
Taking the comments above as a whole and the current state of our nation’s well-being, I’d say we aren’t doing a very good job of taking care of this republic or each other.
It actually was a good bill until the Republicans started whining about it. Obama’s main problem is trying to appease them, now the bill is FUBAR, which is pretty much what the conservative plan was all along. He should have shoved the original bill down their throats and fu*ked the bipartisan BS.
Insurance companies are out to make money, which is the wrong incentive on such a needed commodity. Employers are not hiring due to uncertainty in health insurance premiums, they cant afford the employee health care for their present staff. Health insurance rates are going up by double digits every year, 20-30-40% in some area’s. For those who think Govt health care is so bad, or they don’t trust it, I have one word for you, Medicare. Go watch some Anthony Weiner clips on YouTube, the man knows what he’s talking about. Unemployment is the current monster that threatens America, if you don’t do what is necessary to stop it, there wont be a country or health care at all.
@BB61 - You are absolutely correct. The government steels millions of your dollars and uses it as an excuse to reform drug addicts and alcoholics.
The government/state drug and alcohol programs which costs an unbelievable amount of money has less then a 3% success rate.
Being a self employed hypnotist if I had a less then 3% success rate I would be out of practice within a week.
Heck no!
My vote is Yea.
No bill is perfect, but it is a step in the right direction. We can always revise it or come up with something better in the future.
@NikBv - Hahaha… seems to be the case, right?
She should just a raise a little white flag and admit she doesn’t know shit on this topic, clearly. And she keeps bringing up abortion for some reason.
Or maybe when her health insurance stops covering her (for me, I’m covered until 22 as long as I attend school full time) she’ll be singing a different tune. At least her comments are funny to read. *shrug*
N-to-the-O, No.
~V
@rebekah1191 - right on!!
@radicalsounds - call medicare they will hook you up
@orangecountyhypnosis - Thanks
@phantomblogger30 - wow when ignorant people have nothing to say they resign to insults. there are programs already in place for all these cases such as CHIPS, medicare and madicaid for people who “can’t” afford medical INSURANCE
@freenoodles@healthkicker - her parents are paying for her insurance WHAT? that’s screwed up!! you mean they take responsability for their kids and not THE GOVERNMENT aaaahhhh i’m furious. who would’ve thought of that?
@blackspiders - obama care wants to pay for abortions with tax payer money with this bill thats why.
@the_ICTUS_msgr - thanks, hero… I’ll keep that in mind. *rolls eyes*. I think it’s awesome that you and an 18 year old girl with barely any life experience share the same distorted perceptions on life and you’re both willing to admit it. When the two of you find your magic island of “no problems” and populate it, do the rest of us a favor and wall it off from the rest of humanity.
@rebekah1191 - rebeka i’m with you about the job famine and imagine how it is going to be once all those nurses, doctors, pharmacists, health care providers, insurance people, and all the people affected by this bill are added to the car makers, car dealership people, and the clerks at banks and mortgage companies etc, etc, etc,
it is amazing what socialist reds can believe and embrace i just hope they fail.
@phantomblogger30 - no worries.
@soul_survivor - thanks to the morrons of government forcing stupid regulations to save us form the “global cooling/warming/cooling/climate change DUH! end of the world HOAX” and the playboys liberals giving loans out without checking credit information and background also inspired by socialist jackasses! to bring this country down.
no
what the people want is irrelevant.. its what they want.. and they want power,, and control is power..
you can tell which of your commenters are adults,,, the ones who dont want the health care bill,,
hahahahaha,,,it will pass. and one day your yes votes here will be crying…
nothing wrong with health care… never was… tort reform is whats needed…
that will never even be discussed… strange,,, aint it….
stinking communists….
@ducati623 - no we cannot reverse a law signed by the president! are you like from panama or venezuela or something? this bill will affect you in the way that when your employer finds out that he will save money in your policy at work they WILL roll you over from your existing plan to the government plan.
would you change your house for government housing or your vehicle for public transport or your income for food stamps? i wouldn’t.
@alsigirl - dittos
@the_ICTUS_msgr - yea and that is basically my whole family . my dad works in the hospital and so does my mom and my sister is going to be a nurse so yea
@JoClayFan - Agreed.
@BB61 - amen!
I say they need to review the bill to make it better as it has multiple flaws in it, but everyone is equal and deserves the same health care as the person next to them. They need to make sure the health care system is just as good as it would be in the private sector. The real battle is to find a way to decrease the demand for health care. I’d rather pay taxes for a public health care system than for a war over a phantom enemy…
obama has to suck someone’s dik. so as the photo points out, he is more inclined to suck the tiny nads of demoncrats rather than face the throat-stabbing schlong of the repubicans.
@orangecountyhypnosis - I believe the private sector, because of competition inherent in businesses vs. government, will always yield a better success rate.
@BB61 - Absolutely!
@the_ICTUS_msgr - I’m simply pointing out that her situation is completely understandable, but so are many of the situations of those who have to use help, and that is where the hypocrisy lies. The government and parents are both facilitators in these situations. Also, she is 18, and legally an adult, so, if using her logic, she should not be relying on her parents anymore. So, again using her logic, she is the same as those she is condemning. There are so many situations out there, that it is wrong and ignorant to decide that they all should just up and die because they can’t afford insurance.
@rebekah1191 - and because of your situation, you deserve help. So why is that different for everyone else who, say has your situation, but no parents?
I think its a really controversial issue because the bill itself would only really work in an ideal world. Not in the extremely capitalistic “fend for yourself” society we have in the United States. I do think it’s important for everybody to have health insurance, but I think it’s even more important for people to take it upon themselves to get it. I understand if you can’t afford it, but taxes are going to be raised, premiums will go up for those who need the heftier plans, it will cost more for most Americans in general.
Basically, i don’t want my representatives to vote yes, but they will.
@rebekah1191 - If you don’t have the money for it then move to Canada where you can jaywalk confidently knowing that if you get hit by a car your health care is taken care of!
I hope it isn’t passed for a very selfish reason…it’s one of the many things that makes Canada a better place to live
I hope it is passed because the majority of my American friends are not well off and avoid doctors unless they’re bleeding from every orifice…
@the_ICTUS_msgr - Oh snap.
Absolutely!!!! Public Option all the way.
@xplodinglastbullet - Haha. I was hoping someone would get it! Most people just don’t read good literature anymore. Anyways, all animals are equal… but some are more equal than others.
@Drewsius - oh man, the ending tripped me out. They couldn’t tell the difference between the fat farmers and fat pigs. I’m currently reading 1984. Something I never got a chance to read. So far, it’s trippy too. You are right though. Good lit is rarely read these days. Damn Twilight. >.>
definetly not. i think its kind of funny how so many people are impartial and/or naive about this bill and politics and general…ummm…its kind of a big deal? duh?
NO!
but does it matter what we want? apparently not.
awesome… i check out all the comments and over half of them were bashing some snooty spoiled bitch who knows nothing about what she’s saying!^^ wicked! =P she got her ass kicked all over the place! >=P
oh, this ques doesn’t affect me since i’m not american so hahahaha!
Have you ever seen the government do something right or cost effectively? Social Security broken, Medicare broken, Budget broken and now they want to put in another program! The only reason insurance is so high is because of there is no end to the suits. The only reason Doc bills are so high is because of the paperwork added after the government got involved. Spin Spin…take a look at the laws that govern how a doctor or hospitol can collect. aint no one loosing their house over a doctors bill.
@rebekah1191 - Uh, I think you’re pretty naive! Don’t take it as a harsh insult like the many other replies you’re receiving from others on this post, although they do have very very good reason to be pissed off at you and offended by you for your comment. Here’s what you need to do, get a real job, not like babysitting but full-time, like maybe Wal-Mart or some bottom level commercial business employment, maybe $11/hr. Move out of you parents house and get your own place! Oh, and don’t accept money or any financial help or support from your parents when you leave. Not even a car. Finance your own! Then live on your own for about two, three or four years just letting life and its ups and downs take its coarse. After that experience, then come back to this post with a very well thought out comment on this subject of a health care bill. I bet your attitude will be very different then!
But before all this, actually read the bill and understand it and don’t speculate like very many people, who may be financially well off, tend to do!
we’ll see
No.
@rebekah1191 - yeah … now that you’ve said that you’re probably going to lose your job and get an incurable disease. karma is a bitch.
i believe that health care is a right and not a privilege. i believe that all these “death-panel” and “Red” phobics are a bunch of uneducated schmucks. i believe that we need a health care bill passed that will be effective. i’m not quite so sure if i believe that this health care bill is the one we need, but i also believe in rolling with the punches.
yes. I’m all for it.
Yes.
sure, we elected them after all.
No way, it’s an excuse to get more money and then do nothing with it but waste it. I kind of need that extra 5% of my paycheck I work my butt off for so I can continue to pay for my apartment, food, and necessities so I can continue doing well in college so I can get another job where I may then throw more of my paycheck away on the government who wastes more money than a celebrity.
Also, why should we be forced to get poor healthcare if we aready have really damn good healthcare because we individually *pay* for it. Making most of these companies obsolete is not the answer, and being in the United States we’re supposed to have a right to choose our own healthcare. Not get poor healthcare, which is how it turns out. Ask some canadians how they like their healthcare. I know a couple of really hardworking people who died waiting for it to be their turn in a hospital in Canada because of this bs healthcare, we don’t need universal health care.
Yes.
No, but it’s going to happen anyway, so why bother arguing about it?
no. universal healthcare should NOT be a right. the poor and illegal immigrants have NO RIGHT to healthcare at the expense of the taxpayers.
@rebekah1191 - no and i know for a fact 74 % of americans dont want it either.
From where did you pull the stat? Out of your ass?
@TheSmokeMonster - no there is this thing called the news you might not have heard about it since it isnt for jackasses or a smoke monster
@rebekah1191 - Nice. Gesture with vague reference of “news” for cover to bullshitted fabrication.
@UTAlan - you got a link to a video of her saying that? just for my own amusement..
@rebekah1191 - Anyone’s allowed to judge anyone on the internet. Words don’t have any power unless you give it to them. And babysitting isn’t a real job. Once you get a real hourly job, or a wage earning job, you will see this. Until then, I guess I can’t expect you to know the difference.