April 6, 2010
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Abortion: A Fetus in Pain
A bill in Nebraska is expected to go all the way to the Supreme Court. The law makes abortions illegal after the 20th week. The thinking is that the “fetus” can feel pain at that point. Here is the link: Link
If it can be proved that a fetus feels pain at the 20th week, do you think abortion should be illegal?
Comments (134)
Of course.
20 weeks = 5 months. Isn’t 5 months enough to decide whether to carry a pregnancy to term or not? I mean, srsly. If it takes a woman that long to decide such a thing, she shouldn’t be breeding to begin with.
Just because it can feel pain doesn’t mean the procedure causes pain. I’m sure there’s an alternative way to perform the abortion if it did end up causing pain.
definitely.
I’m sure they can. They can hear and see light. I’m not sure at what age, but I know it’s before they’re born.
But if someone’s getting an abortion, I doubt they’re thinking about whether or not the baby (sorry, fetus) can feel pain.
@Unstoppable_Inner_Strength - i agree with this.
Is desensitizing out of the question?
I think the only reason to have an abortion after 5 months is if the pregnancy is a risk for the mothers help i.e. for some reason having the baby will likey kill the mother. Other than that, I think that this law is fine.
health* sorry
Probably. I’d have to know the full details but if it could feel pain then maybe I’d have more sympathy.
But seriously, how can you not have decided by the 2nd month? I did.
@LyricallyCharged - Because it’d be fine to kill a day old baby as long as you could desensitize it?
Of course. I don’t know how far along it is when they can feel, see light, and have all their sense. Abortion should be illegal. Its a human from conception on. At 5 months, its already almost fully developed,at 24 weeks the rate of survival greatly increases and any women who waits until 5 months to abort their baby is heartless.
I was going to say something really, really nasty here, but I don’t want to put up with the comments.
I don’t need the attention that badly anyway. Instead I will say this.
I will never be in that situation anyway, so I don’t really care.
@Unstoppable_Inner_Strength - I agree with you. By that time that person should know if they are gonna keep, give to adoption.
lol… I dunno. I think that’s kindof a ridiculous reason. Can’t you prevent it from feeling pain? However, a woman having an abortion at five months is also ridiculous.
They will never admit it the ultra sound shows the fetus feels pain but no that can’t be real . The real point if the baby is so far developed than it feels pain, why are you killing it?
If it is to save a life, then yes pain killers would be the most human thing. If it is not to save a life, we are talking about killing a baby.
temp pain = nothing compared to the suffering of getting born and living a life.
how old is the photo you used? and perhaps place photos showing the ages of a fetus.
This could get heated. HEATED. :0)
@scarletchord - Firstly, I was just throwing it out there. Secondly, the issue with abortion is that some believe it to be murder, is it not? Whether the fetus feels pain or not shouldn’t change if it is considered as murder.
Only illegal after the 20th week.
I thought it was already like impossible for them to do abortions at that point in the pregnancy. o.O
Or maybe it’s only Indiana. *shrug*I don’t think they should be illegal. Dur. People deserve a choice.Not that we should be able to go out and get pregnant and just kill it whenever we want, but you know.
What’s a fetus again?
I thought that abortions could not be performed if the pregnancy was further than 2 or 3 months… maybe I am misinformed.
@LyricallyCharged - I’m addressing those who don’t think it’s murder, but admit that a fetus feels pain at 5 months. If it’s developed enough to feel pain, then why is it acceptable to end it’s life even if it were desensitized?
@OurUnspokenTrust - How would you suggest they snuff a baby?
@scarletchord - In this case it isn’t “killing” a “day old baby.” It’s not killing at all.
I think that abortion should be legal, in all cases. You never know what could happen throughout the term of a woman’s pregnancy. A lot of the comments here talk about how you should “know” by the fifth month whether or not you’d want to keep the baby, but in most cases the women who make these decisions want the child. What about life threatening situations? Is the woman supposed to give up her already established life in an effort to try to save a life that hasn’t even really begun yet? Those people do not make this choice lightly, and you can bet that it’s one of the hardest decisions they will ever make, if not the hardest.
Abortion should never be illegal. Women are still going have abortions, and it doesn’t matter what the state has to say about it. Women will die from something that could be completely safe if preformed by the proper medical professionals, or forcing them to carry an unwanted child to term. To me that’s what’s truly inhumane.
Of all the abortions in the U.S., 98-99% of them take place before the 21st week! Of the 1-2% that occur later, most of those are cases where carrying the pregnancy to term would seriously endanger the health or life of the mother. Therefore, while it may be tragic that the fetus feels pain, the mother’s life ought to take precedence, and therefore abortion should still be legal at that stage.
@decembriel - I very much agree with you.
I don’t understand why anyone would wait that long to decide that they want to have an abortion. I am quite sure a fetus can feel pain before the 20th week. I don’t think the fact that a fetus can feel pain should be the deciding factor as to whether or not a woman should be able to get an abortion.
If a “fetus” can feel pain, then it’s a human. Killing a human should always be illegal.
@MomGoneMadd - waterboarding.
@OurUnspokenTrust - good one
@Erika_Steele - In almost all cases of a late term abortion, the women’s lives are at stake. These are people who wanted very badly to have the child.
@NightCometh - Feeling pain doesn’t exactly make you a “human.”
I love abortions. If we’re going to be all charitable and make people in the third world live longer we need some form of population control. Economically speaking, abortions are pretty good.
Or so it can be argued. I don’t really care. I mean, abortions really bring out the kid in you, so they must be good, right?
That was an utterly ridiculously written comment.
@Saridactyl - Then why is a man charged with double homicide if he kills a pregnant woman and her unborn child? It’s not even alive, right? So it’s not killing?
And there are women who multiple abortions, one after the other after the other. Not only are they just ending lives without a chance of being lived, but they’re also damaging their own bodies.
@Saridactyl - No, but being a small person, who no one could argue isn’t growing into a bigger person…and feeling pain make you much closer to human for those who would argue that an unborn baby isn’t human.
@scarletchord - You know, that’s a good question. I don’t know why, I didn’t make that law. I don’t really think they should be charged with double homicide, that’s fucked up. I already think our justice system is flawed, but that’s another topic entirely.
“And there are women who multiple abortions,
one after the other after the other. Not only are they just ending
lives without a chance of being lived, but they’re also damaging their
own bodies. “
It’s not my job (nor is it yours, or the governments) to tell women whether or not they can have an abortion. You seem to have completely missed my entire point. “In almost all cases of a late term abortion,
the women’s lives are at stake. These are people who wanted very badly
to have the child.”
You make it sound like these women facing a situation like this. We’re not talking about early term abortions. This is past the 20th week. Women don’t carry a baby to the 20th week and abort it, then do it over and over again. These woman are making responsible choices about their lives. In such a case they could die. Is that woman’s life not important?
@NightCometh - I think it’s horrible, I really do, but if I were ever faced with that situation I would chose my own life over an unborn baby, and I’d hope that others would cherish their life just as much. That doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t kill me inside to have to give up a child that i would assume I wanted at that point in a pregnancy. Just because some people think it’s wrong, it doesn’t mean that women shouldn;t have that option if faced with a life threatening situation.
@Saridactyl - I should have said elect to have. I wasn’t talking about women whose lives are in danger. I didn’t think you could elect to get an abortion that late anyway, but maybe you can in some states.
That’s fine. I like the freedom to choose, but if you can’t make your fcking mind up after 20 weeks, you should just keep it.
@bethb031409 - I agree.. abortion shouldnt be legal at any stage of pregnancy.
Absolutely not. Abortion should be an option throughout the whole pregnancy.. Although really, the woman should have decided by then. But I’m not in a place to judge, and neither are any of the rest of you.
If the fetus is going to be terminally ill or suffer from lifelong handicaps, then no abortion shouldn’t be illegal.
i don’t know. if it can be proved that animals can feel pain, will people stop eating them?
It’s not about the pain. It’s about taking the life of an innocent person. The fact that the fetus may feel pain should weigh on the conscience of the public and the court as a sign of the gravity of what is being done to it.
Note that the 20th week is about five months.
This is not evidence that abortion should be illegal it’s evidence that abortion after five months should be illegal.
To assign it before a point where it is reasonable to believe it experiences pain is to ignore the rights of clear human beings for things that might be considered human beings.
But only the most radicals claim that a 14 year old rape victim should be required to carry he rapists baby to term–but the typical anti-abortion activist doesn’t consider that they are supporting that idea by being anti-abortion overall.
Considering that there is no dicernable difference between a fetus and a born child that can determine how human the child is, there should be no legal abortions to begin with. It is a violation of the child’s ‘unalienable rights’. Some would contend “but the smaller laws allow it” Well, the smaller laws allowed slavery. This isn’t the first time our laws have been in conflict with themselves. Either all are equal or they are not. Some cannot be more equal than others in regards to our basic rights.
Yes. If not, I guess that means I can go out and murder whoever the hell I want.
Si.
‘Yes, I think it should be illegal. I think it should be illegal in most cases anyway.
I don’t understand why someone would stay pregnant for that long, just to end up aborting it?
I personally think that if you are going to have an abortion, it should be done asap.
But at the same time, theres so many factors and reasonings behind abortions .So it’s hard to say if it should be or not.
I mean, it’s a personal choice.
abortion is always going to be a huge debated topic.I don’t think there will ever be a decision made that is right or wrong.
I think if a women really wants to have an abortion she will have one regardless if the baby or fetus can feel the pain.
if it’s illegal, desperate women will have to go to even MORE desperate measures to “fix their mistake”. I HAVE NEVER agreed that conception (point when LIFE begins) to be a mistake. HOWEVER, I’m not every woman in the world.
Lesser of the evils is to keep it legal.
This brings me to the issue of TALKING TO OUR KIDS ABOUT SEX!?!?!? stupidworld. No, sex is hidden. So’s my vag, but I know it’s there. Nobody had to talk to me about my vagina to know someday somebody else is gunna wanna see it too! duh… it’s pretty and pink. OF COURSE people are gunna wanna take a look. HOW ABOUT THIS… “hey hun, that’s your vagina. Here’s a mirror… check it out. Now, keep it ALL to yourself until you know that you are capable of taking care of a baby.” Then get the kid a babysitting job with a 2 year old… and see just how quickly they jump into bed with some random guy they met at a bar.
just sayin
i dont like abortion either way i think its unfair if you can get pregnant you can at least carry the child and put it up for adoption there are thousands of familyies begging for that baby you are just murdering
@decembriel - Those facts show why this is such a huge matter. It is impractical (not the best word but will do) to get an abortion after the 20th week as by then the fetus is quite developed and the mother should have made a decision 3 months earlier. It’s only such a big news story since it will be in the books that abortion is illegal (even at this impractical junction).
After 20 weeks, sure.
@Unstoppable_Inner_Strength - I definitely agree.
I’m only for it if it is within the first trimester, anything past then is really unreasonable.
Well yeah, but it’s still murder no matter how far along the pregnancy is – it should be illegal regardless.
I’m all for the murder of babies.
After all, those of pro-choice are amoral sexually active fucks numb to the value of life. To us liberal hippies, the aborted fetus is little more than the by-product of a rather cool alternative to latex condoms.
Duh.
Heck I’m sure every living thing feels pain from the smallest microscopic organism to a living cell.
@FoliageDecay - This is not evidence that abortion should be illegal it’s evidence that abortion after five months should be illegal.
To assign it before a point where it is reasonable to believe it experiences pain is to ignore the rights of clear human beings for things that might be considered human beings.
Agreed.
The entire “pain” argument seems pretty fucking lame– as foilage, squeaky, and others mentioned– it sidesteps the core and controlling questions in the abortion debate.
What more, the medical claim of “5 month fetus feels pain” is pretty fucking tenuous. If the entire basis for the bill turns on the fact, then simply demonstrating the converse or even reasonable dobut to the fact is enough to emasculate the spirit of the bill.
I think abortion should be illegal in general!
i think that 20 weeks aka like half the pregnancy is way to late to consider an abortion, i may have an ignorant opinion but if your having second thoughts that late in the pregnancy it should be just given up for adoption. i’m sure their are crowds of unwanted children waiting to be adopted all over the world, which is a negative in this situation, but it’s definitely not mature at all to get yourself pregnant then put the child’s life in danger with whatever you decide to do.
@scarletchord - I’m addressing those who don’t think it’s murder, but admit that a fetus feels pain at 5 months. If it’s developed enough to feel pain, then why is it acceptable to end it’s life even if it were desensitized?
Are you fucking serious?
The quality of personhood isn’t demcarcated merely by being able to “feel pain.” The presence of pain receptors on one end and a wiring neurons to the brain doesn’t speak to the development of the brain itself.
Mereily being able to point to an arbitrary characteristic of the fetus– pain receptors, fignernails, or beating heart– does not in and of itself justify how the said characteristic endows or is indicitive of personhood.
definitely! and besides, if it’s about 5 months, doesn’t that mean that the mother is more than halfway to giving birth?! She should have made up her mind long ago.
once a fetus can feel, separate from the mother, then it’s its own person, regardless of the fact that it is still dependent on its mother.
@samanthabecicka - i dont like abortion either way i think its unfair if you can get pregnant you can at least carry the child and put it up for adoption there are thousands of familyies begging for that baby you are just murdering.
Oh right.
Lets fucking hijack the fetus of an unwilling mother, fucking force her to carry it to term– to when it achieves unambigious personhood–, and then fucking force dump the child into the system. All the while, the state taxes the woman through the costs– physiological, financial, emotional– of pregnancy and childbirth.
It’s also puzzling, with your hypothetical thousands of adopting families, that the foster system would even exist in the United States.
@TheSmokeMonster - foster is full of children that were taking from their familys at older ages yes it messed up but people want babies that it adn they dont want ties and what not the fostor system also allows the real parents to work to get them back and there is private adoption no stte no government no nothing adoption is nothing to do with being trashy or ddumping them off on the stae my god do you watch anything on adoption 16 and pregnant shows you adoption and there is specials all the time and until you have had to reasearch it and learn everything about it yoou shouldnyt knock it
and as for the poor mommy has to carry her to full term to have her ripped away im sure it wont hurt her to know she killed her child not at all every girl imet that had an abortion cant even talk about it and says its the worst thing they have ever done and their biggest regret
@samanthabecicka - Sure, I’d grant what effectiveness there is in the foster and adoption systems in the U.S.– but my rejoinder wasn’t to deny this, but to point out that it isn’t a panacea. Children dumped to the system aren’t magicallly guarenteed a loving family and a happily ever after.
The moral controversy is far from settled. It isn’t the place of the state to impress upon the mother a hardline anti-abortion outlook. Even the informing medical arguments (as the “pain” point in the linked article) remain open questions.
Fuck yes. FIVE months along? Just wait 20 more weeks and give it up for adoption. It’s MURDER. Period.
yes.
can it be proven that anybody feels pain? the only way to know is to ask and even then they could be lying.
@TheSmokeMonster - and i wasnt talking about using the system i was talkin about taking the reigns and going through adoption agencys and choosing you child a loving family i just think if you get pregnant everyone owes it to their chil to at least that and as for the pain thing that just seems a thousands times worse to me th baby didnt ask to be conceived and now your putting it through pain it didnt ask for it just seems wrong
Yes.
I think abortion should be illegal, except for certain cases. But if you’re sixteen, and you didn’t use a rubber, sucks. You can’t just get out of your mistakes.
Perception of “pain” requires developed neural connections to the brain. I thought that occurred at 29 weeks gestations. Can anyone provide scientific evidence that the fetus “feels” pain at 20 weeks?
From your link to the news article:
While some medical experts testified at the Nebraska hearings that a fetus is able to feel pain at 20 weeks, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists released a statement saying it knows of “no legitimate scientific information that supports the statement that a fetus experiences pain.”
Yes. I think it should be illegal at 20 weeks.
@smoking_snakes - There were advertisements in the phone book (because I was looking for an OB that would take my insurance) for centers that would abort up to 24 weeks.
What if the fetus has CIPA?
(Not that you could tell, but congenital insensitivity to pain w/ anhidrosis means you can’t feel pain. It’s rare, but it happens. Feeling pain or not feeling pain isn’t an indicator of personhood, iMO.)
@And_I_love - Agree. World doesn’t need more unwanted children and irresponsible mother.
IF ITS LEGAL, LET IT BE LEGAL W/OUT STIPULATION.
AND THEY WOULD KNOW IT FEELS PAIN HOW?! THE FETUS TALKED? *SMACKS FOREHEAD*
@EdieUnderground - People have a choice.
Do you spread your legs or not?
That’s a choice.
Do you take birth control or not?
That’s a choice.
Do you keep it or give it up for adoption?
That, also, is a choice.
well.. past a certain point i believe that it should be illegal.. cuz i mean if the baby’s due in a few days and a woman wants an abortion thats just wrong.
I don’t think you should able to get an abortion after a few weeks let alone months. I don’t think they should be legal to the public only to thoes who need it…IE if someone was to be raped, Mothers life was at risk, Molesting or something like that..to many women look at abortions as birth control and it makes me sick to be quit honest people need to stop spreading there legs and grow up and know what they are getting into before they even have sex!
Its already been proven they can feel pain. All you have to do is watch “The Silent Scream” to see that.
i believe it should be illegal at any stage of the pregnancy.
just because it has not been proven that the “fetus” is incapable of feeling pain at earlier stages,
does not give anyone the right to kill him/her.
but that’s just me
Yeah, I think 20 weeks is already too late to get an abortion. I’m pretty sure the fetus can be considered “alive” if it can already feel pain. However, if it is found that the mother’s life is at risk, abortion should be an option, regardless of the fetus’ age.
@razzle_dazzle_lip_gloss - I agree with you!
@TheSmokeMonster - I think I love you.
Abortion… ah.
Like someone said, I’m pro killing babies.
And it really does annoy me when people simply throw out, “You can have the baby! Just give it up for adoption!” while not considering how shitty the adoption/foster system is.
You know what would be a better solution?
Instead of going after the women who have to resort to an abortion for whatever reason, creating an incentive to have the child. Now, before anyone shouts the stupid argument “Foster care” how about improving the pay disreprency of women, improving state healthcare of children, creating a tax credit bracket for women who have children so that their income is not affected, ect. You want to end abortions? End the economical staus of women, and then then you might see more women choosing to have a child for economical security.
Just a thought.
I don’t think the people getting the abortion care.
But I think it should be illegal, definitely.
@OurUnspokenTrust - I think your comment takes the prize for MORON OF THE WEEK. Did you make it though school or did you have help? Did you ride the short bus?
I think it should be illegal. That child didn’t ask to be born but do to the facts that the parents of this child choose to engage in premarital sex I don’t think and inocent child cshould have to pay the price for the couples indicretions. I also think there sould be open season on doctors who kill childern. These scum-bags are the same people who are your Hilters your Polputs and your Stalins.
They should at the very least consider pain killers? I thought they could feel pain well before 20 weeks though?
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@catman517 - And you’re not dealing with the issue: whether or not the child is feeling pain. You’re letting your personal feelings on the topic get in the way of what is meant to be discussed. So no, I am not the MORON OF THE WEEK, simply because I disagree with your stance on abortion as a whole. Actually, by definition, that perfectly fits with the word IDIOT.
Murder should be illegal whether one feels it or not.
Babies start having an active EEG around 13-14 weeks. I’d say that indicates the ability to feel pain. I would love to see abortions illegal after that point (except in the case of medical complications). The first trimester is long enough to make the decision. I don’t see any difference between killing a baby during the second or third trimester and killing it after its birth.
@Unstoppable_Inner_Strength - I agree. Unless it’s life threatening, you should have decided to terminate WAY before then.
How come we readily kill our pets when they are ill or no longer wanted. A process of injection usually. but we refuse to do the same with humans. Animals have feelings just like humans do. And they are generally a more peaceful, nicer bunch of people to be around that humans are.
There are already too many humans on the planet and the population is set to explode. And you can bet it’ll be the poorest, most diseased, least economically efficient populations that boom.
Something has to be done!
Even at that point in the pregnancy I still don’t equate it to a human life, if it could survive on its own in the world without absurd amounts of medical intervention, then I might, but at that point it still can’t.
I’ll tell you the truth though, that decision should have been made long ago by the parent. However, that’s a big decision, and often times people don’t find out they’re pregnant for quite some time, so it still doesn’t strike me as fair to force it upon people at an arbitrary point.
Of course, I’m the sort who thinks people should have the right to do what they want with their bodies, and since they’d may be responsible for a child they don’t want for the next 18 years if that choice is made for them, it seems to be a rather cruel thing to do. Even if the child is put up for adoption the system is horribly broken, so they may face all sorts of abuse and like many may end up upon the streets. Then there’s the point of coming to terms with the fact that your parents never wanted you if they were forced to carry out the pregnancy against their will.
Life is a horrible way to treat a person, especially starting that way.
abortion should be illegal at all stages.
yes. I will try very hard to not get pregnant (short of not having sex), but if I do, I’m getting it out ASAP and tough shit if it can feel pain. I will never have a baby.
No, abortion should not be illegal. Only beings can feel pain, and it is beings that we should be concerned with. Perhaps if we paid more attention to the born, there would be fewer choosing abortion.
@elrobinson57 - Why?
@FearlessMonstrosity - Why?… Because its murder. Your killing a human being, a helpless human being. If your think your responsible enough to have sex then you should be smart enough to use protection (whether it be condoms or the pill)… if not then you should be responsible enough to deal with the outcome.
Every baby has a purpose. People get pregnant because they are suppose to, I know there are unexpected pragnancies but no baby is a mistake.
I doubt your going to agree with me, as abortion is a very heated topic. But just remember you were a fetus at one time…what if your mother had aborted you because she didn’t want you??
@elrobinson57 - I wouldn’t be here so I wouldn’t care, how fortunate I would have been if that were the case. That’s the thing, it’s not that there’s an existing void of purpose that won’t be filled because they are aborted, it’s that our purpose for being doesn’t exist until it’s defined by the person we become. So in other words, that purpose never exists if you’re aborted. You can argue otherwise, but the truth is it’s not possible to prove any sort of predestination or purpose besides what we as people ascribe.
Murder? Nah. It’s abortion. It’s no more murder than euthanizing a pet. Actually there’s probably more hesitancy to euthanize a pet, after all they’ve accomplished something in being a companion. So in a sense they’ve had more purpose than that which is being aborted.
I agree in terms of being responsible, but even those measures do fail on occasion. It’s about having choice, if you object to the choice, you don’t have to partake, as much as you wouldn’t in drinking or smoking, but the option should remain available to those who need or wish for it.
abortion is murder. it’s not okay to decide you don’t want a baby and kill it after birth.the life starts when the child is concived.ending it before birth is still murder.
If a cow can feel pain, do you think leather and hamburgers should be illegal?
That’s really a choice for the mother. She could want to carry it to term but may have health factors that say abortion is the only option she has. So no I don’t think it should be illegal. Just more restricted on who is allowed to have an abortion and who shouldn’t. Such as women who want it for convenience.
Personally, I feel there is never a good excuse for abortion. Whether the fetus, baby, (whatever you choose to call the child growing in his/her mother’s womb) can feel pain is irrelevant. If you take on the responsibility to have unprotected sex and a baby results from it, then you can take on the responsibility to either raise the child or give it up for adoption.
I know this is an older post but I feel I have to voice my OPINION. Stress that I said it weas MY OPINION! Anyway, I think after you are able to hear the heartbeat of the fetus it is a living being and abortion should be illegal from that point. Of course if they can feel pain they should not be able to perform an abortion, that is horrible! I am against abortion completely, I think it is disgusting for anyone to kill an infant just because they don’t want to bother with the consequences of their actions(unless it is a health or rape issue, don’t eat me Xangans).
@FearlessMonstrosity - I really didn’t want to get in the middle of this one but I had a compulsion. I don’t argue the “purpose” thing, but really think about it, if someone really didn’t want a child at all, there are surgeries that can be done to make sure it does not happen and there is also abstinence. If you are that irresponsible or honestly just don’t want a baby, don’t have sex to begin with. We all know what the result of sex is(condoms, pills, IUDs, nothing works) no matter what. So, that’s like being really afraid of finding out you have lung cancer but you smoke 3 packs a day anyway ya know? Do you see where I’m coming from on this?
@xLayla_Skyex - Fair point, but how many people do you know who are willing to get their tubes tied as a youth or even adult? Or better still, how many parents of youths would actually condone such a thing (in the instances of teens and dependents who wouldn’t be unable to afford such an operation)? Few I would reckon. For adults it’s a bit more feasible, but the key demographic in abortion still falls within the twenties. In spite of the fact that it’s a reversible procedure, most people aren’t willing to do that when they’re that young.
Abstinence always works if you actually abstain, but there’s a point at which romantic expression (or good ol’ lust) overrides any intention to abstain for most people. Sex is instinctual after all.
I wouldn’t deny people the choice of abortion for those points, people are irresponsible creatures regardless of how much we try to ingrain responsibility into their brain.
i think abortions are a woman’s choice and her choice only. Not god’s or the government’s. HERS.
@And_I_love - oooooh that is the funniest (in a good way) comment in the post, but it is also very very true. I guess there are worse things in life than pain.
@phantomFive - yup!
i think they should be illegal period. y does 20 weeks matter? its still a living human being before that 2. people r just irresponsible and im getting really sick of it
Well let me ask you in a way you are able to understand? Why didn’t your mother have an abortion?
There has been video of babies being poke in the womb (that’s where the baby is until it is born) by a needle and the baby reacts to pain.
I have also been in classes concerning prenatal care the it is a fact babies feel pain in the women. I dare you to view the movie called Silent Scream and no its not the horror movie. Then tell me you think abortion is ok.
I don’t care what other women do with their bodies. Not my problem. Therefore, I don’t give a damn.
@catman517 - Been there, done that, I still think abortion is ok. Guilt trip all you like though.
@FearlessMonstrosity - Not a guilt trip, its the truth. Thats what a lot of you people choose to avoid beacuse you can’t handle the truth. Your so concerned about a dog or a cat or some stupid turtle that might be in dangered or kept on a chain outside that you have no value on human life. Maybe yo should also go back to school and learn a complete sentence. Been there done that WTF is that?
@catman517 - It was an attempt at humor, though it was received poorly. However, that was to say that yes, I’ve seen that video, the fact being that regardless of the content of it I was unmoved in my perspective of the situation.
If you actually read my previous comments and those they were addressed to you’d find a great deal of clarity regarding my comments towards animals.
We people as you put it, actually know the score, you stopped short of looking at the whole picture though.
@elrobinson57 - AMEN
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An unborn baby can react to stimulae far sooner than that. But the “pain” question begs the larger issue. A fetus is a baby in the process of development. Just as children are human beings in that process. As we cherish our children who have been born and are growing before our eyes, so should we cherish those who we can’t see yet… but will be (if allowed) those little beings around whom our entire world will revolve. Every child’s life is a gift from God and must be ever regarded as such.
I hope the bill passes!! It is not a fetus it is a baby.
In many countries abortion is illegal after the 16th week. I think abortion should be legal up to a reasonable time, that, for me, would be well before the 20 week mark.
i thought an abortion that late was illegal any way. guess im wrong. dam we need to do something about this.
A woman should have made a decision well over 5 months into her pregnancy.
Well, before, when it came to the subject of abortion, I just went either way. You wanna have an abortion? Okay. You wanna keep the baby? Okay.
But after hearing this, that the fetus can feel pain after a certain amount of time, I can’t help but agree that it should be illegal after the 20th week.