April 21, 2010
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President Obama Must Prove Citizenship
Politicians in Arizona voted to require presidential candidates to show a birth certificate in order to be on the state ballot for President in 2012. Pressure has been growing for President Obama to show evidence he is a U.S. citizen. So the House voted to make it a requirement. Here is the link: Link
Should President Obama be forced to show proof he is a citizen in order to be on the 2012 ballot?
Comments (242)
yes
Hell yes.
Well, he is a president and to be a president you have to be a citizen, so probably yes.
Sure but it is just going to make fools out of everyone involved except Obama
Still this shit? Give it a fucking rest.
@trunthepaige - Yup. Ditto to this.
He was born to US citizens so who the fuck cares. Why cater to these crybaby republicans.
@Da__Vinci - Citizenship is a necessary requirement for the Presidency.
/facepalm this shit again? I thought this was already put to rest? Well, at least the circus will be mildly entertaining.
@QuantumStorm - It would have been nice to get that before he was elected, but now its too late. Deal with it.
fuck no, negro is on his way to the presidential hall of fame, hes fixin’ shit and not stopping to dance a jig
@Da__Vinci - Seems a silly thing to fight over, you really think that he should?
@Da__Vinci - Well we can change that on the next election, can’t we? It’s too late now, but that doesn’t mean we can’t do it in the future. Chill out.
I clearly recall this whole hubab during the 2000 Presidential Election. There was the whole question as to whether Al Gore was born in the United States. I’m gald we settled that question in the affirmitive.
Alec kindly points out to me, that the Constitution doesn’t require “citizenship” of the U.S. It requires that a candidate for president be “U.S. born” …. so, “No” is the ornery answer.
@QuantumStorm - Citizenship is a necessary requirement for the Presidency.
Doing a little dance isn’t.
Sure why not. That will put a blow in the Birther movement.
Republicans are fixated on this issue. The man was elected and they need to deal with it. Get proof -next time around-, hell it didn’t matter to any of them that Bush was a flaming idiot, why mess with a man who is qualified to be president now. There are no words to express how stupid they are for all this nonsense. Move forward and get behind the change. Or do you prefer to squabble you petty conservative points until the country is in chaos, you miserable idiots.
@RaVnR - A President must be a “natural-born citizen” of the US. If that’s not a requirement of citizenship, please tell me what is.
@TheSmokeMonster - No one is asking a presidential candidate to dance; however, asking a person to submit proof of citizenship is perfectly legitimate.
@rhiannonator - Indeed, this will go a long way in killing that movement.
@trunthepaige - @QuantumStorm - I think it’s childish to argue it at this point. I absolutely hate the two party system. It’s time to change it to something that takes the ignorant out of the selection process. And the country is getting more ignorant every generation.
@QuantumStorm - It is curious that it was after 200+ years of this country’s history beefore a state legislature found the will to pass such a bill.
Arizona’s been on quite the tear lately. Didn’t Obama already do this? Why won’t this issue die, already!!!
@Da__Vinci - That’s the double-edged sword of Democracy for you; making it open to the public means that idiots will be involved in the process just as much as the smart ones. And if you think it’s childish to argue it, are you conceding that you’re a child like the rest of us?
I doubt the higher powers that be would let him remain in office unless they knew he was a citizen. I think we should stop talking about bullshit and focus on more important issues at hand. There is plenty to criticize him on besides this.
@QuantumStorm - A President must be a “natural-born citizen” of the US. If that’s not a requirement of citizenship, please tell me what is.
Our resident law student was pointing out citizenship= necessary but not sufficient.
@QuantumStorm - But citizenship and being U.S. born are overlapping, but exclusive, classes.
It’s ridiculous to assume he isn’t a US citizen. This should stop right now.
@TheSmokeMonster - Right. Thank you!
I think he’s sexy, so I vote no. But my feelings are solely based on the fact that that he makes my loins quiver : /
@TheSmokeMonster - I don’t give a crap about how curious or not you are – if you believe it’s wrong to enforce a piece of legislation, let me know. Is this current legislation a violation of any legal precedent?
@RaVnR - ditto! You said it better than I could.
Last time I checked his birth certificate has been authenticated a bunch of times already, they need to move on with their lives. The birther “movement” is racist, plain an simple.
@beautifullymindfull - Lol
@QuantumStorm - Who we vote for needs to be decided by qualified people. what the fuck is childish about that!
President Obama has revealed his birth certificate many times. A birth certificate that in the past was wholly acceptable for 100% of all possible uses for which a birth certificate is required. Should he be forced to show it again? Who cares.
More importantly that bill should never have passed. The existence of the bill just fuels the birther conspiracy theorists. It’s a strategy to inflame the beliefs of people who are utterly irrational. Worse it could create some really stupid kind of state by state feuds whereby one state’s birth certificate is considered unacceptable to another state for whatever idiotic reason that could lead to long drawn out court challenges. Any such show birth certificate requirement needs to be passed through federal law. It can be administered through the states but federal standards are needed to determine what suffices as a birth certificate. For example, if there’s a fire where birth certificates are held in one State’s repository, should all of those children whose original birth certificates were destroyed be deemed ineligible to run for President even if there is ample other evidence that they were born here? I think any rational person would say no. They can still run provided they provide sufficient evidence
However, more abstractly, there actually shouldn’t be any natural born citizenship requirement for running for President. Being born here does not impart upon anyone any kind of special loyalty to this country. There are Al Quaeda terrorists who were born here too. A more rational requirement would be that they must have lived here for a certain number of years. Maybe even require a certain amount of time during their childhood to have been spent in the United States. That wouldn’t be perfect either, but it’s better than the wholly arbitrary birth certificate criteria.
@A_NY_Zone61 - You said it my friend, the white people racists are just pissed that a half black half white was elected.
@beautifullymindfull - Lol.
@Da__Vinci - They don’t even see the half-white part…they consider him black which is why they can’t get over the fact that he won the presidency.
@TheSmokeMonster - @RaVnR - Does being a law student make him immune from stupidity? If not, why are his credentials remotely relevant to the validity/invalidity of the argument at hand?
I did not contest the claim that citizenship is a necessary but insufficient component of Presidential eligibility – since it is STILL a necessary component, even if insufficient, asking for proof of citizenship is effectively enforcing what the Constitution states regarding candidacy – is that in violation of any law or legal precedent?
@Da__Vinci - So you’re saying that we should revise our approaches to the mechanics of party politics, correct?
@QuantumStorm - His citizenship has been proven already, people have too much time on their hands and ignorance in their hearts.
@QuantumStorm - You’re in a fightin’ mood today. The distinction is fine; I understand that. This is why people often accuse lawyers of being new-age rhetoreticians. Nonetheless, it is distinct.
That said, I think the Birther movement is stupid and that Obama is certainly qualified to be President. I also think that Arizona’s petition will fall flat — states have certain rights, but no jursidiction over the federal Constitution.
@A_NY_Zone61 - This legislation is talking about 2012, not 2008 – in other words, all subsequent candidates, whether that includes Obama or not. Tell me – is it wrong to enforce the law?
@A_NY_Zone61 - He won basically because he’s the most intelligent candidate since JFK, I don’t care if he is green, red, black, or purple, I feel that decisions are being made with the right know how. I am however pissed that he takes this bipartisan stuff so seriously. He should steam roll over these crybabies while he’s got the chance. Squash their little racist ass in the dirt, and move on down the road.
@RaVnR - I agree on both counts, that the birther movement is idiotic at best, and that the legislation will likely fall flat in its current form. I COULD use some gummy worms though
@QuantumStorm - Absolutely!
I’m sure he is a citizen, but sure it should be required. If he doesn’t have anything to hide, then there shouldn’t be a problem. And it IS a requirement.
@Da__Vinci - Ah, okay. In that case, I could not agree with you more
@QuantumStorm - Sure, I’ll play.
1. Federalism. Federal role to check qualification not state. It would be ridiculous for Presidential Candidates to verify age and birth history 51 times accoding to 51 different standards before being a national candidate.
2. Just as there should be no unreasonable preconditions to voting (i.e. poll tax), there should be no unreasonable barriers to entry as a Presidential candidate. The cover of Presidential qualification doesn’t give states warrent to erect whatever bureaucratic wall it chooses.
No one questions the need of candidates to satisfy qualifications, the dissent is in the best way to go about it.
@QuantumStorm - The only reason this legislation was advocated for and put into place is because Barack Obama was elected, and so many idiots are in an uproar because they illogically think that he wasn’t born in the U.S.
@Da__Vinci - I concur. If it weren’t for him trying to be bipartisan, the health care bill being passed would have been even harder on the greedy insurance companies.
@TheSmokeMonster - Please see my response to RavnR. Thanks
@saintvi - Actually, he didn’t. In fact, his first executive order the very first day he was in office was an order that the president’s personal documentation is private. He doesn’t have to show anything to anyone. A bit “convenient” don’t you think?
I was under the impression that he’d already done that.
@A_NY_Zone61 - You still didn’t answer my question – is it wrong to enforce the law?
I don’t see a problem with it.
@QuantumStorm - Kindly reread my reply and use your brain.
@QuantumStorm - I say forget the polarizing effects of the two party system. Most Americans are to stupid to see issues, and judge them based on whats right or wrong, they would rather choose sides like it’s a football game. We need people in industry, education, and all the best from the intellectuals to conclave and decide who will be put up for the American people to vote on. This would take the religious idiots out of the equation, and provide qualified candidates for everyone to vote on. A president shouldn’t be elected because of his religious beliefs anyway, that’s a private matter and has absolutely no bearing on public office.
@TheSmokeMonster - You must’ve missed something in my response since I agreed with RavnR that the legislation as it stands would not succeed, so why you’re attempting to play the straw-man argument is beyond me.
@Da__Vinci - Dude, check it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy
@QuantumStorm - I would answer your rhetorical question if it were relevant to this discussion.
@QuantumStorm - Because you’re a lazy mother fucker.
I still don’t understand what was wrong with the Birth Certificate that he
did
supply when all this ludicrousness was initiated. I
despise
when legislators do this kind of shit. All it does is steal time, resources, money, and energy away from bills (or potential bills) that might actually do some good for Arizonans. I hope John McCain tells his constituents how ridiculous this is, but I’m not optimistic.
Hell, McCain wasn’t born in the US. I know he’s still a citizen, but there’s still a tinge of irony in that.
@Da__Vinci - Indeed.
Yes.
@QuantumStorm - That’s exactly what I’m talking about…..looks like I inadvertently reinvented the wheel….again.
 We have to in order to get a drivers license. Next time I’ll just tell them I’m running for President of the United States and how dare they ask!!!!Â
@YossariansWingman - I concur. That is ironic indeed, I was saying the same thing when McCain was running for president…technically he should have been disqualified.
@husbandofawife - His birth certificate has been authenticated countless times so that sarcastic comment is irrelevant.
@Da__Vinci - I tend to be a bit biased towards it myself, given that I’m of the engineering background.
@TheSmokeMonster - I’m SO going to install that smoke filter!!!
@A_NY_Zone61 - It is relevant to this discussion because the issue at hand is whether or not the law should be enforced regarding the candidacy of Presidents. Sure, the law as it is being proposed will likely not fly, for the reasons TheSmokeMonster and others pointed out, but the intent of the legislation – to enforce a component in the Constitution regarding candidacy – is a perfectly valid intent. So do you believe it is wrong to enforce the law regarding the Presidency?
@QuantumStorm - It’s a lot like asking a layman to make medical decisions. There is no way they can make an educated decision about it.
@QuantumStorm - =)
@Da__Vinci - Laymen making medical reasons is the entire reason Autisable exists
So do they just want a formal process to be made before any presidential nominations are made? Because you already have to be a natural-born citizen to run for President. I’m pretty sure someone is already checking this. And when people ask for proof, proof is given. So what more do they want? Something that we all get to watch?
This really is sounding like something that’s been made simply to put Obama outside of the race in 2012 even though he’s shown his birth certificate (this smells strongly of the birther movement; if this was an issue before, why wasn’t something else passed in the past 200 years? Why is this suddenly an issue when we have a President who has an entire movement saying his birth certificate is a lie?). I can’t really find any other reason for this petition to be made. It’s already in the Constitution and it’s being upheld. What more do these people want?
=o.
yes, I think Obama is stupid for not having done this already
Some people just can’t accept that we have a black president.
@mccanarie - You’re right, his birth certificate hasn’t been authenticated a bunch of times.
Oh wait…it has.
How has his citizenship not been proven?
@WhenHateIsTheOnlyOption - Exactly, they wait until a black man is elected to question the citizenship of a president. His birth certificate has been authenticated a bunch of times already.
@QuantumStorm - Discussing this with you is pretty much pointless since you seem to be completing ignoring the fact that this law is being advocated for because a black man [most people don't care that he's half white] became president. His birth certificate has been authenticated countless times, the birther “movement” is racist; plain an simple. I have no problem with the law being enforced, that is not what this discussion is about and you know that.
Consider this my last reply to you, good day.
@A_NY_Zone61 - It was under US control at the time he was born. The Senate ruled that he was a natural born citizen before he could become a candidate. But I do like how no one made a huge upset about how the Senate shouldn’t have decided what they decided when McCain was brought into question, but when Obama’s birth certificate is shown and obviously accepted as authentic, people make an entire movement about it.
@A_NY_Zone61 - Ah. So you have no problem with enforcing the law – then you should have no problem if legislation (PROPER legislation) was introduced so that all candidates would have to do that. Thus, the motivation behind the law (pressure from the Birther movement for example) is not relevant since all it is doing is asking for the enforcement of a pre-existing element in the Constitution.
@mccanarie - Are you being sarcastic and it’s just getting lost because of the nature of the Internet? Because I hope you are.
@rafi09 - Exactly, the birther “movement” is racist.
@rafi09 - If Obama’s citizenship is valid (which it is), then he has nothing to hide. If anything, this will serve to seriously undermine the Birther movement if the enforcement were to happen.
@A_NY_Zone61 - Doesn’t mean the legislation is also racist.
I would think that if it were in anyway DISprovable, or provable that he was NOT a citizen, some teabagger would have been flaunting it all over by now.
@Da__Vinci - Er, decisions, my bad
Obama was born in Hawaii. Why can’t people just get the fuck over it?
Oh, for fuck’s sake. The Repelicans need to get a fucking grip already.
@QuantumStorm - I’m not saying he has anything to hide. In fact, he showed his birth certificate. The version made public had information that wasn’t important blacked out, but that’s because birth certificates do tend to say more than just where you were born, like who your doctor was. It was probably an identity protection that caused the marks.
I’m just wondering why people want to pass a bill that simply re-states what the Constitution does. Now if it were to define “natural born citizen” better so issues like the one McCain had no longer happens, then I understand. Plus, why should presidential candidates have the show the same record that they would already show Congress if there was an question about their citizenship status to one specific state just to appear on the ballot? If they really want something meaningful to be done, they could simply make a bill that requires all candidates to show their birth certificate in a certain manner (like not having anything blacked out, stuff like that) if a certain amount of people question their citizenship status. Or a bill that makes a formal process of proving citizenship that the federal government does. But just one state makes no sense to me. But this bill doesn’t do either. It deals with one state and simply makes candidates jump through one more hoop to get votes.
@rafi09 - If I recall correctly, there was never an actual official request for previous candidates to provide documentation proving their citizenship – it was more of an “honor system” thing. I think it’s perfectly fine to formalize such a process in the form of legislation, although there are serious issues with how the state of AZ is going about it. Like I said earlier, I agree with some of the other commenters that the bill from AZ will not do it, but I think that legislation that enforces the law would remove some of the doubts people have and undermine idiot conspiracy groups as well.
omg… T_T …
Citizenship is a prerequisite to be President… how can he not be a citizen.
you can’t be president unless you are a citizen and born in the United States.
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This seems like the silliest thing ever to quibble over.
Oi. Can we all just take a chill pill–why are we freaking out on this? It is too late..He is the fucking president. So we do better in making sure next time…don’t get in a hissy fit because of maybes and what-ifs and possibilities. It is a waste of time.
HE COULDNT BECOME PRESIDENT IN THE FIRST PLACE IF HE WASNT A CITIZEN. fucking stupid people!
I heard he was born abroad (africa I think) then sent to Hawaii while still an infant to live with grandparents.
Or some shit like that.
Who the hell cares anyway, it is a little too late now.
whether it passes or not, what does he have to worry about anyways?
i had a nice reply to this but considering the crappy comments (like mine too), what’s the point…..
Shouldn’t his citizenship have been proven several years ago?
So what will happen when Obama provides proof for the millionth time and Arizona still refuses to put him on the ballot? Wouldn’t that mean the state would be breaking the law?
I’m pretty sure if he was smart enough to become president he would also be smart enough to forge a document.
I thought he had proven he was a citizen. Eh, I would imagine he is. But, if he’s not it would be rather interesting. Is it a crime to say you’re a citizen and be president if you aren’t? That would be exciting!
yes, but the likelyhood of that happening is slim to none.
@Da__Vinci - ” hell it didn’t matter to any of them that Bush was a flaming idiot, why mess with a man who is qualified to be president now.” I just peed my pants a little.. <3
@MomGoneMadd - Clean-up on isle three.
DUH.
@trunthepaige - why has he spent more than 2 million bucks of tax payer money in lawyers to dispatch to and dismiss 400 law suits around the nation? 12 dollars is cheaper to produce and would satisfy the grievance of more than 1 million people
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22221
@RaVnR - love it.
does he need to win AZ, anyway? c’mon, now.
i’d be pissed if i lived in Arizona. why are they wasting taxpayer money on this issue again?
holy shit. i swear if i were obama i woulda bitch-slapped somebody by now.
I bet there’s a bunch of Germans saying “Boy, if only we had that rule in place, that upstart from Austria wouldn’t have become our Chancellor in 1933.”
show it to WHOM? it’s broadcasted for everyone to see, as are the birth announcements.
people are panicking because they know he’s going to win again, lol.
but he’ll never win in AZ anyway but that doesn’t matter, because as Dubya showed the world, the popular vote doesn’t matter for beans and AZ is a red state.
yikes, I gotta get outa here!
It’s funny because every attempt to prove that he isn’t a citizen has failed
this is ridiculous. it’s been 1-2 years since he’s gotten elected. really? and what do you think will happen if he doesn’t show it? biden’s going to run this place? haha
why don’t people let stupid things goooo
@piercedandbeautiful - lol, exactly!
It’s fun to read the comments. Helps me to further weed out the idiots, and to know who the smart ppl are.
@funny_guydude - and his parents conspired with the paper in Honolulu to announce his birth on the off chance he would run for president, I assume?
Yes, but I just hope he doesn’t run again!
I was really surprised to learn that proof wasn’t a requirement before being put on the ticket. Sure he should prove it, just like everyone else running in the future should.
hahaha…good ole’ Arizona. I think it’s funny. I guess so yeah if that’s the law. I mean why doesn’t he just make it public to make the birthers be quiet unless he does have something to hide.
Obama put out a copy of his birth certificate in 2008. Why is this being brought up? It’s already been proven numerous times. It’s already been thrown out of court numerous times. It’s already been laughed at numerous times.
Hell, you can FUCKING GOOGLE THE DAMN THING. In fact, a quick trip to snopes.com gave me everything I needed to know, which I fact checked just for shits ‘n giggles.
Everyone needs something to bitch about, but why can’t the Republicans at least bring up something else? You know, that hasn’t already been put to rest? I mean, c’mon, you can’t tell me they’re tired of bitching about healthcare yet.
Why did I open this page? Talking politics makes me hate this country, or at least some of its constituents.
@BB61 - Knowing how lucky he was, it wouldn’t have mattered. Just like with most of his “successes”, he would have managed to stumble his way into power. That or just do what he did in the beginning… kill anyone who opposed him.
@NightlyDreams - He probably is. However, I’m sure at the ripe old age of ONE DAY OLD, he wasn’t bribing two major newspapers in Hawaii to print his birth. Yeah, they have that on file too.
@Uek - ‘kay then, next up ”Ahnold for President”!!!!
@vangelicmonk - Thank you.
Honestly, this is ridiculous. This whole birther thing is out of control. Technically, yes, he needs to be a US citizen born here, but I think they’re taking this a little far.
If he has to prove his citizenship for the 2012 election, then the other candidates should also have to prove their citizenship. It’s only fair.
but what’s fair in politics … ? heh.
@Da__Vinci - @QuantumStorm - @TheSmokeMonster - @YossariansWingman - @everlastte - @The44thHour - @A_NY_Zone61 - @CrystallineFigurines -
Something to consider:
I don’t know if Obama is a U.S. citizen or not. It seems likely from what I’ve read that he is. But at this stage of the game it’s a moot point.
Should it matter? Yes, it should
Would it matter? No, it wouldn’t.
Passion behind an opinion does not make a point stick more solidly. There seems to be a lot of passion here but not a lot of persuasion. The bottom line is he won’t be tossed out on this matter whichever way it is settled. Republicans should leave it be and let the Man stand on his performance. As I Conservative, I believe he is providing more than enough rope to hang himself.
That’s my opinion for what it’s worth.
Why doesn’t he just show that he is and rub it in everyone’s faces who did not believe him? Seriously, he’d get a great laugh and great satisfaction from showing that he was born in the U.S. Maybe he is waiting for the tension to build up so he can whip his certificate out and be all, “Hahaha!”
Unless he isn’t and doesn’t have it.
oh hell yeah…i mean wtf?
@Unstoppable_Inner_Strength - yeah, the Constitution? who gives a shit, geez.
Well . . . he is a citizen, and he can prove it. So who gives a crap?
Don’t the Legislators of Arizona have better things to do with their time and money?
yes
Well, yeah. You have to be a natural citizen. If he didn’t have anything to hide he should’ve just showed it in the first place.
I’m not saying he’s hiding anything, but why can’t he just show it to make people stop bitching?
@bakersdozen2 - Sorry, I just see red when I see this citizenship issue come up, it makes want to slap people.
anyone who is to be president should be required to prove citizenship ! ANYONE AND EVERYONE, NO EXCEPTIONS !
@QuantumStorm - For someone who desperately wants to take the “ignorance out of the system,” @Da__Vinci - sure loves them ad hominem attacks. Yup, name calling sure attracts people to your point of view.
@ChaoyD - Not everything is a formal argument…..asshole.
Even if he didn’t have one, let’s be serious here… Do you really think his party wouldn’t find him a way to get one? He’s the current President which means if he tells the CIA to make him a birth certificate as real as they get, he’ll just get one.
It IS America. Should be run by an American yes?
Besides, if we’re going to have a foreigner run this place, he or she should be Irish as God intended.
@Da__Vinci - Oh, right on. Well then fuck your ugly garden, you faggot pussy gardener.
@ShamelesslyRed - The truth is if he was born in Kenya he will still be president. The law as of today is on his side and no one is going to throw him out of office over a brief time when the law stated that a child of an American born while temporary in a foreign nation is not a naturally born citizen if the mother was under 22 years old at birth that was a legal glitch that was shortly remedied. Why is he fighting it? It might say something that he would rather we not see. (religion maybe, some nations put that on the birth certificate) But its not something that would would get him impeached.
@ChaoyD - Now you’re talking.
The constitution does not one must be a citizen, it says one must be U.S. born. Obama was born in Hawaii, which means he was U.S. born.
People need to give it a rest. I wish they’d put there energy towards something that really makes a difference.
I thought that has always been a requirement. It’s sort of dumb to ask for it now. After more than a year of presidency.
hellz yes.
@trunthepaige - Exactly.
I’m just wondering… aren’t Presidential candidates extremely vetted. Wouldn’t they need to know everything about him, before the possibility of becoming the most powerful man in the world? You mean to tell me they vet the local police department better than the President of the United States…
This country has gone retarded.
Dear Republicans,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories
Get over it already.
You are an idiot if you honestly think President Obama does not have citizenship. I bet you also believe in the death panel rhetoric and throw the term Socialism around without having any clue what it actually means. Anyone who honestly believes this are sheep. Ignorant sheep who willingly drink the Religious Right’s kool aid. My advice is to move. What this country needs most is less stupid people. Happy Trails!
Yes he should. He never has demonstrated his citizenship. For those of you who think it “has been put to rest,” think again. He’s NEVER demonstrated documentation of his citizenship. This is just another way in which he and his ilk are undermining the foundation of this country. Keep turning a blind eye and then we’ll be just like the communist countries with no personal liberties such as we knew when we were young. Keep doing the ostrich thing and one day you’ll wish you had been more vigilant.
If he’s a naturally born citizen, why are we having this conversation? All he has to do is show his birth certificate. If he is, why hasn’t he? You all really trust politicians? Chicago Politicians? and @Uek, may I please ask what the hell he’s fixed, besides the election and the Nobel Prize Award? Here in West Virginia, things aren’t any better, and in a lot of ways, the economy is worse than ever, and we are a Democrat state! White, black, or purple, the constitution is the law of the land, and he can settle it with one piece of paper. Why doesn’t he?
HE DID PROVE CITIZENSHIP! Do you honestly think that the Republican Party would have allowed him to run, let alone be elected if they could have possibly substantiated this claim??? Keep on drinking that kool aid…
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Surely that is one of the basic requirements for even thinking of applying…?
Yeah, he should.
So many more important things going on right now. I mean, really. Here it is April 2009, and we’ve still got griping and wasted time on this matter. I wish he would just go ahead and prove it. Because even with hard evidence (aka, looking it up ourselves) people want to say it’s a “fake” or “show me more”. This is a mess. I hope he makes copies, rolls them up, and pops people on the head with them. Enough is enough.
@CrystallineFigurines - False, it only applies to documents while in office. Actual Executive Order (partial, here is full)
(2) The term “Presidential records” means
documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof,
created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or
individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to
advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities
which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the
constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the
President. Such term–
(A) includes any documentary materials
relating to the political activities of the President or members of his
staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect
upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or
ceremonial duties of the President; but
(B) does not include any documentary
materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in
section 552(e) of title 5, United States Code; (ii) personal records;
(iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies of
documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies
are clearly so identified.
(3) The term “personal records” means all
documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of
a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have
an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or
other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term
includes–
(A) diaries, journals, or other personal
notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which
are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the
course of, transacting Government business;
(B) materials relating to private
political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon
the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or
ceremonial duties of the President; and
(C) materials relating exclusively to
the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency; and
materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual
or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no
relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional,
statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.
Specifically look at 3C, ‘Which have NO RELATION to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.’
Furthermore, the President cannot request his original birth certificate (no one else can either). Instead, what you can do is contact the State/City you were born in and they will provide a copy of the birth certificate, which has already been done.
@JadeMaster2 - He has, it wasn’t good enough for some. Sad, isn’t it?
These retards could go back in time and watch Obama being born in Hawaii and they would still demand proof.
No. No other president has had to “prove” his citizenship. I find it funny that this debate is still ongoing. I mean, despite the fact that we have MAJOR ISSUES (economic issues, homelessness, banking/credit crisis) happening in most states; despite the fact that most state are running near or in the red; despite the fact that most citizens are feeling pinched in most areas of their livs — the government, that we PAY through our taxes has time to wage a “prove yourself” war on the president.
To those I say, solve our larger problems, then, if we have time, we’ll let you go off on a tandem, asking the president to prove his citizenship.
I’m not a democrat nor a republican — but at some point common sense has to win. Surely we have better things to do with our time? And if they can come up with a conspiracy theory to how the Obama’s paid off everyone to be hush hush about him NOT being a citizen, then those wonderful brains can come up with a way to get us out of the economic mess we’re in… or simply save public education… or find ways to help stop human trafficking… or….or… (See? Too many problems to focus on this one “issue”…)
I have no faith in our government if it takes them 4 years to determine someone isn’t a citizen. If he wasn’t a citizen, he wouldn’t be president.
As the conservative minority on this site (and the world in general, it seems) I have to say that it should be left up to Mr. Obama to show his birth certificate.
I used to sign the Republican ballot, but people like Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck have caused me to go libertarian and generally conservative. The Republican party as it is now is not conservative; this makes no sense whatsoever. Our government is descending into the sensationalism of our culture and society, and it is very sad.
I hope EVERYONE sees that this and everything else done by BOTH parties is a sham. The healthcare bill that no one seems to understand, this idiotic birth certificate scandal, changing the rules in the Senate to block filibusters and increase Democratic heft, the economic bailout, the complete and utter cluster fuck that is the American education system, every bit of it.
My economics teacher once told me that Ronald Reagan was wrong in his conjecture about “trickle down” economics. So I asked her why Barack Obama spent billions to bail out the failing “Big 3″. She didn’t reply.
@bosefius - It still gets the job done. When he’s running for reelection, he will still be in office. Once again, a liberal misses the point, purposely.
@bakersdozen2 - I’m not a Republican, first and foremost. I don’t believe in party politics. I don’t like EITHER side. But the point here is not whether or not he’s a citizen or not. The point is, is our constitution once again being undermined? I’m mostly concerned about our constitution and that it is upheld as law. And if he’s not a natural born citizen, then its not. That’s the real problem. Not whether or not Obama is president illegally.
And i happen to agree with you that he’s hanging himself. Personally, i hope he continues to do so until 2012. We’ll see. The public tends to forget, or tends to defend their choice whether he’s proven himself or not.
@CrystallineFigurines - Really? Bwa-ha-ha. It only applies to documents produced/created while the President is in office. It does not apply to documents (except documents directly tied to election/re-election) before or after the term as President. Also, if you 2B you will see it does not apply to documents/records that ARE PROPERTY OF ANOTHER AGENCY, you know, such as the Hawaii Bureau of Vital Statistics (or whatever they call it).
So yup, you got me, I purposely missed to point of a lawful executive order clearly spelling out what it and is not private. What is my liberal issue. I am sorry for applying reading comprehension and critical thinking to a document.
@A_NY_Zone61 - @rafi09 - Unfortunately, a certification of live birth and a birth certificate are not the same thing at all. I’m not saying he isn’t a citizen or claiming he’s some foreign muslim terrorist like a lot of people, but come on, show us the real thing.
Of course he should prove citizenship, but when he does, he does. As much as I loathe the Obamunist and his Commiecrat policies, he was in fact born in Hawaii to an American mother. Moves like this make well meaning and patriotic people look silly.
Unfortunately, this is a right-wing version of typically Leftist delusions, like:
– 9/11/01 was an “inside job” (sorry, jihadist savages did it, you Commiecrat dupes turned Dhimmicrat dupes), or
–”the 2000 election was stolen” (sorry, every legitimate Florida recount indicates Bush the Younger won the state in a squeaker, despite the Demunist attempts to count dead people, illegal aliens and household pets as voters, and the popular vote doesn’t mean jack shit, election rules mean a candidate must win a majority of people *in a majority of states*, just as touchdowns and field goals matter in a football game, not which team gained the most yardage).
@NickB1967 - Yes, the birther movement does make “well meaning and patriotic [teabaggers]” look silly. So does using words like “Obamunist” and “Commiecrat.”
@jim_the_american - Sorry if the truth hurts. Pointing out the orgins of his (and your) ideology is calling a spade a spade. As opposed to your attempt to link at least 100 million patriotic Americans to your favorite porno act.
Now go fellate Hugo Chavez, you know you want to, just like you fellated the Sandinistas before that.
you know what i think should serve as proof that he’s a natural born citizen? the fact that he was just president for four fucking years.
@Da__Vinci - People have been saying this since the beginning. It’s a requirement…does it make me an idiot that I think he should be proved to meet it?
@CrystallineFigurines - @A_NY_Zone61 - @TheSmokeMonster - @Da__Vinci -
@bakersdozen2 -” I’m not a Republican, first and foremost. I don’t believe in party politics. I don’t like EITHER side. But the point here is not whether or not he’s a citizen or not. The point is, is our constitution once again being undermined? I’m mostly concerned about our constitution and that it is upheld as law. And if he’s not a natural born citizen, then its not. That’s the real problem. Not whether or not Obama is president illegally. “And i happen to agree with you that he’s hanging himself. Personally, i hope he continues to do so until 2012. We’ll see. The public tends to forget, or tends to defend their choice whether he’s proven himself or not.”
@bakersdozen2 - “Sorry, I just see red when I see this citizenship issue come up, it makes want to slap people.”
Please excuse this, I’m terrible at these reply things so I retagged the originals. The only thing I’m worse at is successfully linking articles. So here it goes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGWG57P2IuY
The above link contains the sum total of all the knowledge I have on this subject. (I know. Very sad)
I believe that this Administration has provided all the documentation that they intend to. It seems like Smokemonster has more knowledge about whether or not it’s sufficient proof. I really don’t know.
I respect the Constitution and would love to see our elected officials treat it as a the fixed and unchanging standard they’ve sworn to uphold. At any rate, I believe we’ve reached the point of straining the gnat and swallowing the camel over this argument. It’s beginning to make Conservatives look small and ridiculously unyielding.
I’d rather we concentrate on the concerns that will result in a positive outcome for our party and ultimately our Constitutional Republic.
@ Russ, I understand all too well the feeling.
@TheFamilySteese - Even more directly, can you imagine Hillary Clinton, who honestly viewed the presidency as her birthright (make that marriage-right), and who you just know is still smarting over her primary defeat against Obama, not bringing this issue up when she could? I suppose some could argue that the Obamunist “Chicago Way” of politics steamrolled her, but still….
I never thought I would feel bad for Hillary Clinton, but if you look at the Democrat Party primary process, I can’t help but think she got rooked badly.
And oddly enough, had the Obamunist “Chicago Way” not dug up dirt on his first opponent, Jack “I liked to show off my then trophy movie star wife by banging her in public” Ryan, in the Illinois Senate race, followed by the Illinois GOP getting the boneheaded idea of importing the wacky Alan Keyes to replace Mr. Ryan, ol’ Baracky Sotero would still be back in Chicago pulling ACORN scams or in the Illinois state legislature getting dead people to the polls.
Again, as much as we may oppose what is happening to the country (didn’t Jimmuh Carturd teach us anything?) this birth issue is a red herring.
People will do anything to try and get Obama out just because they didn’t get their bible thumping way. How disappointing.
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this is rediculous..
he is the president of the united states, people should respect him and let him to the best he can! everyone knows why he recieves added pressure, it’s not fair and hopefully that can change.
Ugh, the stupid, it hurts.
Well, apparently the proof he has shown isn’t good enough for the Birther movement. No one seems to accept that not all states do birth certificates the same way etc.
McCain wasn’t even born in a state (naval base in Panama, I believe) yet no one made a huge deal about that the way the Birthers do about Obama who was born in Hawaii. I wonder why that is.
If this is part of Arizona’s immigration bill, it’ll be declared unconstitutional so it’s really a non-issue.
@NightCometh - You do realize he’s provided a certificate of live birth in Hawaii (certificate of life birth…birth certificate…)Yet, the Birthers don’t think this is enough. That’s just how they did it then, and Hawaii is now changing that process because of all the hullabaloo. Why is this certificate not enough for you?
From the wiki article:” Frequent arguments of those questioning Obama’s eligibility are that he
has not released a photocopy of his “original” birth certificate, and
that the use of the term “certification of live birth” on the document
means it is not equivalent to one’s “birth certificate”. These arguments
have been debunked numerous times by media investigations, every
judicial forum that has addressed the matter, and Hawaiian government
officials, a consensus of whom have concluded that the certificate
released by the Obama campaign is indeed his official birth certificate”
why not? i mean, even if he’s already done it just do it again to prove those anal people wrong.
@Da__Vinci - I don’t think any one is “qualified” to be president. I’m pretty confident everyone is too stupid.
But as for the whole birth certificate thing..whatever. He’s already president now. It’s kinda annoying this is still going on…and I don’t even like the dude.
I suppose it wouldn’t be a bad idea to start making people show certificates on every election from now on. Or whatever.
@NickB1967 - Okay, you win. Your advanced rhetoric skills and your well-researched claims leave me no option but to admit that Pres. Obama and the Democratic Party are promoting Communist agendas.
Thanks for the intelligent exchange of ideas supported by facts! I now have a much higher opinion of you in particular and teabaggers in general.
THIS should be in every state! NOT just only with this issue but every other issue as well. It’s like taking that Constitution and rubbing it right back in the Federal’s faces! If our government is promising us something then they should live up to their promises. It’s the Federal (first) even more so than the individual states that have to show solidarity and do their duty to uphold the law. NOT only that, but now there is no way that the law can be challenged by the higher courts. After all, it would be them trying to prove that what they are reading (in the Constitution) is exactly as they knew it was to begin with. Thus, there would be no challenge at all from the higher courts. Going back to this particular case, it’s the U. S. Constitution that states that the person running for president has to be born in the United States. So, what would the Supreme Court try to do, overthrow the Constitution? . . . Ha! I would like to see them try that. We would run them out of town! Good for Arizona! God Bless the United States of America!
Why is there so much doubt that he is a citizen?
Arizona needs a hobby.
Sure. I highly doubt it’ll pose a problem for Obama, anyway.
@madhousewife - Haha, agreed.
he already has. his birth certificate and the birth announcement in the Hawaiian news paper are both online for everyone to see
I figured they already had something like that in place. o.O
@bosefius - Bam! That stings!
@misuriver - I know, it hurt, let me tell you… Heh
This is my last comment on this entry.
@bakersdozen2 - “But the point here is not whether or not he’s
a citizen or not. The point is, is our constitution once again being
undermined? I’m mostly concerned about our constitution and that it is
upheld as law. And if he’s not a natural born citizen, then its not.”
…You kind of contradicted yourself there.
I’d like to add that the main reason this law was even written is because the birther “movement” continue to question President Obama’s citizenship; this is an absolute fact. His citizenship has already been proven but people just wont let go, and they continue to spread their crazy conspiracy theories about him being a Muslim or a commie sent to infiltrate our government.
Honestly if he were white…nobody would be questioning his citizenship. I know you’re probably going to say I’m pulling the race card but it’s true…the birther “movement” is racist, plain and simple.
…would they be asking him to submit “proof of citizenship” if he were a white fifty-something from Texas?
yes.
Yes. What’s so hard to show your Birth cert.?
To date, his birth certificate has not been made public. A state law in HI prevents anyone but the individual to access the birth certificate. The only thing they can do is have a state official look at it and then announce if it’s bona fide or not (which admittedly has been done). All Obama would have to do is authorize its release to the public. Strange that he has not elected to do so – if it’s such a thorn, all he has to do is release it. To my knowledge, no past president has declined to release theirs.
@Da__Vinci - am I Repub. yet? Or would it be considered Liberal…?
Yes.
Both sides of this party vs. party animosity can shut up. You people are tearing this country apart.
If its a law requirement that he is a citizen then require proof, if not then let it go. Its that simple. When I go to get a license, a loan, etc. I need to show certain documentation to prove identity and whatnot. If its a requirement then meet it, if he is a citizen it should not be a problem to prove it and shut everyone up right?
Rules are rules, so yes. This is just stupid controversy that needs to be cleared up anyway.
I don’t think it’s fair to say that only reublicans should want to know that he was born in the United States. I think it should be a concern for Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Libertarians, Populists and whatever other party you can think of. Frankly it would be against the Constitution to allow someone who wasn’t born in the country to be our President. it is too late now, but I think for the next election it is fair.
And for the people who don’t believe that he wasn’t born here, it’ll put these “stupid” rumors to rest. So why not just go for it.
@mccanarie - ”Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of
Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents
used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.
The
Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live
Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth
because they are official government records documenting an individual’s
birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information
which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the
Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that
provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth
certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their
greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues
Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth
certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.”
—http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
The difference isn’t whether one is official and accurate and the other isn’t. Both are records of a child being born in a place. It doesn’t matter which one he showed as long as it shows that he was born in Hawaii. What he showed shows that he was born in Hawaii. They are both birth certificates, they’re just different forms of it. What he showed was legit since all that was in question was whether or not he was born on US soil. Last time I checked, Hawaii was US soil.
@glossalic - Hawaii has two types of birth certificates. “Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of
Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary
documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.”—http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
Obama provided one type (Certification of Live Birth, it says it right at the top of the image), the type that is less specific and apparently the public one but still says that so and so was born on this date in the state of Hawaii. It’s been provided. You can see a copy of it on Google. He has shown a birth certificate, it just isn’t called a birth certificate and it isn’t the one preferred for tracing genealogy. But just because it has a more specific name doesn’t mean he never provided it.
@rafi09 - Ah. Now I’m starting to remember. It’s been a while since I was keeping up with this stuff. The difference between that form and the long form. I’d say just produce the long form and get the argument over with.
@beautifullymindfull - this is by far the most intelligent reply to this post. Thank you.
its been proven time and time again to the point where Hawaii is tired of having to pull his records. Ridiculous waste of time & money and I live in Arizona. But if my politicians keep acting like this I’m not going to admit that as freely.
@glossalic - no past president has had a problem providing a birth certificate, because no one has been asked for one. This is a requirement based in racism, regardless of how people try to present it.
6 years ago when the Republicans were looking at Arnold being the future of their party, they eagerly accepted changing the Constitution because as they claimed (and I agree), “You can’t choose the country you were born in, but you can choose the country you love.” Now because of Obama’s family background from Africa (shocker- all black americans have a background from Africa), they have deserted this theory and are calling for Obama to prove his citizenship.
He’s a citizen, it’s been proven, it’s time to move on! There are homeless who don’t know where they will sleep tonight or where their next meals will come from, there are soldiers fighting and dying for our country, education is a mess, Wall Street is a mess, people are losing their homes and jobs, Social Security still needs reform, etc etc ad nauseum. We are wasting time and money on such a petty and nonexistent issue.
@TrueBritt - I would advise against resorting to reductionism by stating that it’s a mere issue of racism. It is also feasible that some folks just don’t like a Democrat in charge and are willing to use any politically petty means to oust him. Democrats are equally guilty of playing the same games. It’s another political battle, and it would best be silenced quickly. One extreme says that the long form isn’t needed, other says it is. Let’s shut both sides up with the long form and move on. Yes, I thoroughly agree that there are other issues that are more pressing – like Soldiers who are serving overseas. I should know because I was one of them.
@glossalic - it may be as simple of a case of “the other guy” in office & not wanting him there, but i’ve never seen such an uproar for any President, even Bush & Clinton, on such a petty thing. Thank you for your service, I come from a long line of military men and I’m very proud of my family.
@TrueBritt - Hrmm, I would gauge the vindictiveness against Obama now to be roughly the same as Clinton and Bush. But I suppose that’s an issue of perspective. Clinton was mercilessly grilled over the Monica Lewinsky deal. And Bush couldn’t catch a break on anything he did. He could cough funny and be hounded endlessly. It sucks being president, and I hope I never get that kind of spotlight. And no need for thanks – that’s for people who volunteer without pay for great things like Meals on Wheels and Salvation Army. I was some dork in uniform doing PowerPoint presentations in the middle of a desert – and I got paid for it!
…Did he not have to show it before? I mean, he’s president now. Didn’t he have to show he was eligible this term? And if not, then why not? Shouldn’t we do this for anyone who wants to run for president?
Besides, it’s just a birth certificate. How much effort does it take to whip that out and shut up all these ridiculous people?
@glossalic - i agree with you that both Bush & Clinton had their own houndings (Clinton had to face down attempts for impeachment over Lewinsky, and some still want Bush tried as a war criminal), but those aren’t issues I would consider petty as I do people calling for Obama to prove his citizenship. He’s been in office for over a year, and it’s been proven he’s an American- but they still want to waste time & money arguing over it.
I still thank you for your service because you did something most will not do, and worked a job that put your life at risk. I work from home and they say most accidents happen in the home, but I’m not at risk the way you were- from those who hate you simply for existing and being in their country. But since you’re thanking volunteers, I’ll take it (I lend my time to homeless, children, homeless animals and the American Cancer Society)
Yes
wait…. it wasn’t already a requirement?!?! i mean when you go to sign up to run for president how do they make sure you fit the age requirements and everything else…. “excuse me Mr. Arnold…now where did you say you were born?”
2011 I am getting myself to one of those sign up to be president booths and signing up!
oh this silly world.
Well of course they should, but I can’t believe people are still going on about obama supposedly not being a citizen.
Cheers for the brain-ache.
There is nothing he could show or prove that would ‘satisfy’ his enemies. There would always be something else.
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You mean there is something this important in the Constitution (or wherever it says the president has to be a US born US citizen) and no one checks if the candidates are actually eligible?
That’s weird.
@Uek - ROLMFAO!
What would they do if he wasn’t? (Which I doubt it because no one’s that stupid. Or ballsy – to fool the American population as well as get away with it.) Have another election – which isn’t really in the Constitution. Or have Biden be the President? WHAT?
lawls. the best part is that there are 200 comments saying “WHY DOESN”T HE JUST SHOW HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE” when he already has. like a hundred times.
stupid. pure stupidity coming from the republican house. and the rest of america that believes he must show proof of citizenship when he’s already in the white house and doing much work to repair what damage bush has done over 8 years, are idiots.
Birth certificate link
Yes. It’s part of what it takes to be President of the United States of America.
You have to be a citizen and so showing proof of that should be necessary.
Butthurt Democrats fighting butthurt Republicans.
SSDD
seems reasonable. i’m surprised they don’t already have to.
@another_rebel_without_a_cause - It wasn’t his parents, it was a joint effort of the government, Patrick Duffy, and the space aliens. They have been planning it for years.
Damn you Patrick Duffy…
What’s to hide, yes, show it and if he doesn’t, our country has gone past being that great country..we’ve been compromised America..
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@Da__Vinci - He has never given proof of being a US citizen . H he had it would be a bid deal
I wish he would, then the whole think will go away, I buds me he dosn’t show proof it just fuels the fire.
why not? if he really is, there shouldn’t be an issue and he shouldn’t hesitate to go along with it cuz he doesn’t have anything to hide, idk weather he is or is, i trust that he is because i’m a trusting person but i suppose it’s not 100% impossible that he isn’t, we’ll see i guess
@Da__Vinci - @A_NY_Zone61 - Lol, how is this racist? It’s not directly pointed to Obama, but since there has been so much speculation about whether he is a natural-born citizen, he’s obviously going to get the most exposure from this.
The white racists are just mad because a half black half white was elected.You’ve got to be kidding me. I understand there is still a lot of racism, and I understand that you did clarify when you said “the white racists are just mad…” however, that is such a small portion of the Conservative party members. I am a Conservative & I am not mad that he is half black.
And for the record, he’s not half black. Not even CLOSE to being half black. He’s 50% WHITE, 43-ish% Arab and about 6% black.
He’s already proven it. Exhaustively.
Yes
So far, every president or presidential candidate in American history has offered proof of his eligibility for office under the constitution… but one. And Obama was not only declined to do so, but has wilfully evaded and, through his lawyers and associates, legally resisted any attempt make public his legal birth certificate or any other document that might confirm or deny his status as a legal U.S. citizen. That touted “certificate of live birth”, issued by the State of Hawaii, is not the same thing as a birth certificate and is not legally recognized as such- even in Hawaii itself.
This does not mean that B. H. Obama (or Barry Soetero, as he was known in Indonesia) is not a legal citizen. It doesn’t even mean that he’s ineligible for the Presidency. But there are several key factors in his early past that remain unresolved. And Mr. Obama isn’t resolving them. This, naturally, has led many to question why and, therefore, to speculate that he may have illicit reasons for not doing so.
In any case, it remains a challenge to the very question of constititional authority. Many believe (with reason!) that the federal government has far exceeded its own limits under the Constitution’s restraints. This has led to a growing and massive resisitance on all levels to recent federal actions; many of which bear the signature of a man some fear to be the embodiment of an anti-constitutional cabal. If it were to be found that Obama was not legitimate in his office, the reaction would be- to say the very least- profound. And devastating.
um… shouldn’t they have already checked that out, since it’s sort of a *requirement* to run?
well one of the requirements to being president of the U.S is to have been a citizen of the U.S for 14 years , so yea .