April 30, 2010
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Man Has Sex With Grandma
A 26-year-old man is having a child with his grandma. They are in love and openly admit they have sex. (I would like to thank Sam and Laniecho for sending me the link and also I saw this on fading_roses19′s site).
They have hired a surrogate mother so they can have the child.
The grandmother had to give up her daughter and her daughter later died after giving birth to her son. Her son’s name is Phil Bailey. So Phil Bailey went looking to find his grandmother and they hit it off.
Phil said, “You can’t help who you fall for.” Grandma said, “When he emailed me a photo, I thought what a handsome and sexy man he was before pinching myself – he was my grandson!”
Grandma read about Genetic Sexual Attraction and found out that other adults who related and yet attracted to each other. She said, “I could now understand my feelings and realize they weren’t wrong.”
They risk going to prison because of their incest. Here is the link: Link
Are their feelings for each other wrong?
Comments (344)
That’s so romantic.
What? This isn’t normal?
………………………………uhm, ew?
APRIL FOOLS!
no?
Oh dear I was just just about to msg you with this story. Nice to know we read the same sick stories. Granted, they are not hard to find!
true love at its finest
@ShimmerBodyCream - I can always count on you to make me laugh at the ickiest situations!
People get so worked up about sex between consenting adults.
I’m not the one to judge their feelings, but incest… yeck.
wowza.
::barf::
I’ll tell you if it’s wrong or not after I pick my jaw up off the ground.
Might take awhile.
YES YES YES IT’S WRONG!!!!!
Uuuuuuggggghhhh! I need to puke! *gag*
No, I’m not being overly-dramatic.
grandma doesn’t look good naked.
Acting on their feelings is wrong. I love the thought process. “Other people feel this way, so it’s not wrong.” WRONG!!!
Who would send them to jail?
……wow.
Maybe if they fell in love before they knew they were related, MAYBE, that could be excused.
That’s ….I don’t even know what to say. Creepy.
Are their feelings wrong?
That’s like asking… oh, I don’t know… if the sky is blue.
Answer:
Depends on your perspective.
I’ve always believed that the same acceptance for gay/lesbian/etc. couples should apply to incestuous couples as well.
Incest has been around since the beginning of time, anyway.
oh f…ing nasty.
As a Christian I’d say attraction is never a sin but acting on certain attractions is sinful and incest is sinful.
Dan, I’m confused what you mean by the line “The grandmother had to give up her daughter and she later died after giving birth to her son.”
gag gag gag barffff
Wrong on so many levels.
They need some kind of help of their genetic insanity.
Aiya.
How the hell do I keep getting comment 26 on this thing? I’m starting to wonder….
Nothing is wrong anymore. There is no such thing as wrong. There is only what Feels Right. What do we need right and wrong for when we can slap a fancy genetic based term on it, gather a few people who think like you and call it a day? After all, didn’t Cole Porter tell us that Anything Goes? HA. Porter was a visionary! Let’s just all do what we feel, no matter how completely perverse, because perverse doesn’t exist. As long as you can get your story to some sympathetic media outlet anything goes!
odd.
mostly just odd.
As the comment said above, their actions are wrong on so many levels. That is disgusting.
long as she takes them dentures out first before her lips touch dick
Love is love.
The only question I have is: “Do they have any videos?”
Wrong? Not really, since they will be using the egg of another woman to have a child together, they are avoiding giving their child genetic defects from their incest.
but gross? yes, I think so.
Ewww. Just eww.
NO NO NO. Do NOT NOT NOT keep it in the family ):
………………………..i have no words to describe how disgusted i am.
I think it’s wrong, because they knew they were related going into it. I’ve read about siblings adopted by different parents who met up later and got married without knowing they were related. I think that’s different…in the second case they were already in love when they found out…in this case…they’re just sick.
If other people do it, it’s not wrong? Lol…so many flaws with that argument =/
that’s mcnasty
Yikes.
Just wrong.
wtf is wrong with you people romatic my ass this is nasty as shit and I may puke wtf is wrong with the world
Yeah I saw this earlier today…so not cool. Eew, overactive imagination does not need to think about them having sex!!
@TheGreatBout - the grandmother gave her daughter up for adoption at a young age. Mother died from brain cancer. Son went looking for his family (grandma) and found…love…?
GRANMA LOVE IS NOT WHAT IS UP.
Ew.
sex with granny that’s hawt
lol jk*
the fact that a 72 years old woman is attracted to a 26 year old guy is gross/creepy (and the other way around), but the fact that they’re related and want to have a kid is even creepier. Ugh. This is wrong on so many levels. I read this earlier somewhere and almost gagged.
This is wrong on a lot of levels.
Now I know where teabaggers come from.
It’s not my cup of tea, but so what? If they want to, who the hell am I to impose my own holier-than-thou, sanctimonious, pseudo-morality and insist what they’re doing is wrong?
“‘You can’t help who you fall for’”, then why are we so picky? We can help who we choose to be with. Yes.
That is disgusting.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!
I don’t even know how to play devil’s advocate on this one.
I’m worried more about the baby that will have both their genes. I hope it turns out alright.
I’m still trying to figure out how someone could be attracted to someone 2 generations older/younger than themselves, much less a direct relative. Bleh.
How do you explain to your kid that their mom is also their great grandma? That’s like deciding when someone should start barfing non-stop for the rest of their life.
Edit: Also, imagine being the guy’s dead mom, and looking down from heaven, and your son is having sex with your mom WTFFF
Oh…good lord. Seriously??? I laugh, and feel disgusted at the same time.
@walking_a_long_lonely_road - Ah. Thank you.
That’s messed up.
No, of course not. You can’t help who you fall in love with.
WTF?!
So, if a woman and her grandson have a child, then it’s her son, and the son’s son, so that would make the child’s mother also its great-grandma, and his dad would be…aaahhhh waaaay too confusing. :/
@Iobot - Exactly that’s what I was thinking – would she be his mom, or great-grandma? And then yeah the mom’s son is sleeping with her mom…it’s too confusing for me!
@I_Am_Twilight - it’s over!
ew.
@TheGreatBout - You are quite welcome! =) It would have confused me if I had not already read the article.
oh my gosh.
this just ruined my cramming for studying for finals.
Erm. I won’t judge if it’s wrong or not, but I do think that it’s very… strange.
I can imagine their child having some hard time in school if he’s not homeschooled.
@TheGreatBout - Yup, that’s what I was gonna say.
I consider myself a very open and accepting person…but that is disturbing as fuck. Just saying.
That man has to be mentally challanged and totally sick. This is called illiterate inbreeding.
I don’t know why anyone would call it “wrong” as far as morals go.
Does it seem sick to our society? Very much so.
Must… not… make… Arkansas… joke…
The song, “My Own Grandpa” comes to mind…
Just thought i’d lighten the mood. Because i have no words.
At this time, I would like to propose bringing back the Old Testament and taking up stones.
I am speechless! Weren’t so many other fishes in the sea? kind of……………yeacky!
Wrong. so. so. so. wrong.
Maybe incest will be the homosexuality of the next generation. I can see it now… Wonder what will happen when they want marriage rights?
I would say that feelings are feelings but what you do with them is where right/wrong comes into it. They are wrong.
URGHHHHHHH!!!!!
***shudders***
Does it invoke a yuck response in me? Sure it does. Do i think it is actually morally wrong? No I do not. What I would consider some of the legitimate responses against incest are not even present in this case. I personally am grossed out by this relationship, but “gross” does not automatically translate into ethically wrong.
Wiki the yuck factor for more reading on the topic.
My question to everyone who has responded that this is wrong: what is actually morally wrong about this? (basically, what ethical guideline are they violating?)
ewww
As much as I find it disturbing, I won’t tread on their love for each other. If they love each other, so be it. The same applies for homosexuals.
I couldn’t quite go for that…
But if it’s what both of them are looking for, right on!
(just no reproduction please!)
If people could really roll over in their graves I’m sure grandma’s daughter would be rolling plenty. Grandma’s REALLY should know better. There’s just no way to even justify it. It’s just plain sick
Oh god, all I can think about is my grandma and…oh god. Oh god.
Ah, yes. Good old fashioned incest. Such a beautiful thing. *sigh*
grandma must have put something in her cookies..
@Soul_Pizza - yeaaah i was thinking that too! they have pretty much the same arguments of being together as homosexuals, except with certain incestuous relationships that could have the possibility of having babies with have a higher risk of genetic mutations, but other than that, there really is nothing wrong about it i guess. it would make for a really strange and confusing wedding. whose side are you on? oh i’m on both..they’re my siblings.
Wrongo- Phil will live to regret this, especially if the child is of ill health.
This is so romantic
ITs wrong and ok at the same time:)
I can’t believe anyone would be willing to be a surrogate mother for them.
I don’t mind the age gap, but the relationship between them.
*sigh*
It’s been a long day.
Guess this dude is one of the few people that actually saw Grandma’s Boy and thought it was a good idea.
I quite literally just gagged on the piece of toast I had been chewing on.
@whataboutbahb - one *might* say that in cases of incest, it is wrong because they are willfully risking the birth of severely birth-”defected” babies. Now, gramma shouldn’t be able to reproduce anymore… but here in Germany there was a case a few years back, where a brother and sister were together, and they repeatedly had children, three of them, and all of them were horrendously deformed, severely retarded, among other illnesses.
Such an irresponsibility is, in my opinion, just plain selfish and ethically and morally off.
So much for *usual* incest. Like I said, gramma probably can’t reproduce anymore, but they want a surrogate mother, which, I believe, involves taking DNA from her grandson and herself, so birth defects are, I believe, very high once more. And that, I believe is irresponsible and wrong.
… well and if you are a Christian then it’s wrong simply cause God explicitly forbid it in the bible. But I’ll leave that aspect out for now.
@givingtree1994 - I’m sorry… I saw your profile picture, and the comment, and inspite of it all, I had to laugh.
@Starshine_Faerie - Birth defects is one of the arguments against incest that can relate back to what I would consider more a legitimate moral basis, as you have pointed out. From my understanding though, the chances of birth defects are not necessarily much higher, esp if testing is done for genetic diseases. In any case, this argument does not work for this particular situation since a donor egg was used.
@whataboutbahb - well like I said, I’m not sure as to how much this argument applies to this situation. I was merely saying that the topic of birth defects is the moral and ethical origination to disgustment at incest in the first place.
Also, another aspect, not pertaining to this case, but in general is that if people continue to pursue relationships with their close relatives… it gives paedophiles more wiggle room. So a grandmother and grandson can go at it. Well then a grandfather should have a right to his granddaughter. And a father to his daughter? If there’s no way for them to reproduce?
*hands down* I’m not going to judge these people. I’ll be honest in my opinion and say that I think it’s gross and my first reaction was to gag on my toast. Literally. Just saying that there are possible complications that surround incest in general that are the cause of such a general opinion and mindset towards incest, that one should perhaps not disregard so lightly.
@TheGreatBout - I believe that means that at the time when the grandmother gave birth to her daughter, she was not able to, or didn’t want to, support her, or afford to raise her, and therefore gave her up for adoption. This would explain also why her grandson, his mother dying at birth, had to first search for his grandmother.
@Starshine_Faerie - I would agree that there are ethical issues with incest. In many of these relationships there is a huge potential problem of a power imbalance. Another potential problem is these relationships could erode a family environment without safe, non-erotic relationships that produce a healthy environment for kids. Big moral issues can exist in incest. This particular case doesn’t seem to involve any I can think of though.
@Still_groovy - LOL. There’s a Mini for everything, eh!
I am now going to have sex with myself and have a baby, because I love myself, and it’s not wrong.
Seriously. I am trying so hard, but I find it difficult not to find this so wrong, on so many levels.
There is a difference between loving your grandma and… well, this.
I feel sorry for the kid. How confused is it gonna be. You said they’re using a surrogate mother, I dunno if that means it’s gonna be grandma’s eggs or the surrogates, but either way, to be raised by your dad and your great grandma is just… okay.
It’s interesting though, because in a lot of cultures, marrying your cousin is absolutely normal. But yet, I was talking to some friends, and they saw it as just as bad as marring a sibling. In my eyes, it’s not. That’s just because I’m Iraqi, and it happens a lot there.
@TheGreatBout - Grandma had to give up her daughter, (who is that guy’s mum), and her daughter (that guy’s mum) died after giving birth to her son (that guy).
@whataboutbahb - In my eyes, it is just mean on the kid to be born out of this. It is selfish. For their love, they are going to bring out a kid who is most likely going to be made fun of because his mummy is his great grandmummy, too.
They can have sex all they like. But to bring a kid out of it… that’s just horrid.
@OhItWontBeForever -
The same argument could be applied though to gay parents adopting, cross-dressers, or basically any group of people who could be viewed as social “outcasts”, as unfair as that label is. The argument could even be applied to groups like slaves and people who will bring children into situations that could be termed horrible.
@whataboutbahb - Yes but with all of those, the “mother” isn’t nearing the end of her life. There’s a reason why a woman’s biological clock comes to an end, you know? She is at the age to be raising grand-kids, not her own kids.
As for gay people adopting, well I don’t agree with that anyway, so yeah, the argument applies, in my eyes.
All I thought was, “Please please PLEASE tell me they are not from West Virginia.” That’s all we need is people perpetuating a stereotype. Ugh.
Hmm… gross.
If I was going to bang someone in my family… I’d pick someone younger than gramma.
Haha..
Really, this is pretty disturbed. On all levels.
end of the world
That’s so disturbing.
Grandma doesn’t look too much of a GILF.
Honestly, I think they’re both insane.
eeeewwwwwwww
yeah i saw this on sam’s facebook and put it on mine too. that shit is disgusting.
Ummmm…………………………………………………. NO.
@saintvi - right like, “oh there’s other people that commit mass murder? yes i’m not alone!”
I, along with the majority of the population, would never choose to be romantically involved with a relative, but that doesn’t necessarily mean what they are doing is “wrong.” They are two consenting adults, and in my eyes (as much as my eyes wince at the thought), that’s enough.
At least he knows that there is some good sex genetics in that one!
My first thought was “that is absolutely DISGUSTING”. Then I read down that they didn’t know about each other until the grandson went looking for his grandmother. So it’s not like he has memories of being at her house as a little kid. And while I still would never do it and I still think it’s kind of gross that they ARE doing it (because let’s face it, they KNOW that they are grandmother and grandson), I can say that the circumstances are different from a grandmother and grandson who were close when the boy was young. It’s basically two adults who have found each other. I mean, what is family anyway? It’s blood and genetics. What REALLY makes a family is the time you spend together growing up… that’s why adoption is feasible, because being raised by them makes them your family. If you meet your family as an adult it’d never be quite the same as if you grew up with them (at least, in most cases, from everything I’ve seen).
They definitely shouldn’t be arrested of all things. Let them do what makes them happy. Even if they HAD known each other when the boy was young, I still don’t think the law has anything to do with it. I do think that incest (when the family has grown up together, like brother and sister 2 years apart or something) breaks down the family in a way, because at that point it’s “anything goes”, there are no longer any limits, no safety point where there is no sexuality going on and you can just be safe at home with your family without worrying about it. But in this case it doesn’t do that because there wasn’t really a family established to begin with. So I can say it’s gross to me personally, but not immoral. He’s not being taken advantage of; he’s an adult and is fully aware of what he’s doing.
gross.
uh…. >>”
OMFG yes it’s wrong! :gag:
… wow… “you can’t help who you fall for”… but you can help your actions. yeesh…
I’m just wondering how the hell someone could get it up to an old lady let alone their grandmother.
: /
There’s a lady that comes into my work and talks about her brother / baby daddy.
DISGUSTING.
@TheFaintingRoom - Indeed it has. Regardless of all earthly perversions, incest seems to be the only one that mother nature doesn’t agree with. Upon looking at the by product of mentally retarded off spring, the evidence is clear. However, we have no right to judge people if the intercourse is indeed consensual. One can only hope that incestuous couples be responsible and not conjure special needs children from their loins. Yet, then there is the adoption issue. Will incestuous couples be allowed to adopt or will they be ostracized like the gay community? Hmm….
Older women/younger men relationships are so gross.
It seems while Love was meandering around blind, someone hit her in the head with a hammer.
-Jacques Duclo
ewe
I am so glad I didn’t eat breakfast this morning, it would all be coming up because of this *shudder*
True love, but then again in my opinion it just isn’t right….. shouldn’t fall for your own family! ew
@whataboutbahb - That’s my main question to everyone commenting here. Yes, I understand the “gross” factor, but the more I think about it, the more I can’t actually figure out how the “morally wrong” factor works itself into this scenario. While I definitely don’t think that their having a child is a good idea, since we’ve advanced enough scientifically to know how many bad things that can do in terms of disease and deformity and other things that put the child at risk, but I can’t actually pinpoint something morally wrong about their FEELINGS, which is the question that Dan posed to the masses.
Even if they weren’t related….oh my. So many things wrong with this.
I don’t think its the incest that’s bothering me here.
It’s probably the twisted sexual corruption of the word “Grandma”.
And the thought of them having sex…
But hey, to each their own, right?
Ew, this can’t be for real.
@MangoWOW - Um…..grandmother fucking grandson is so gross. Lol.
Wow. That’s all I have, there are no words.
Oh gross
gross gross gross
This isn’t wrong at all.
They are using another woman’s egg with his sperm so there is no risk of genetic disorders due to incest in the baby.
So the only objection that anyone would have is just based on a gut reaction of disgust because of what society and religion tell us. But they love each other and are not hurting anyone. Who are we to judge someone else’s love?
I’d tap that. Hawt.
BULK. ..i think i just threw up in my mouth a little.
@CombinedEffort - I was thinking the same thing, the age difference would still be gross though. But since they already knew they were related it’s just wayyy beyond gross.
@MangoWOW - What if the woman is 2 days older than the man? Is that gross too? What if she’s 3 minutes younger? How much younger than the man does the woman have to be before you refrain from passing judgement on complete strangers. Your attitude is gross.
From my persepective, it’s wrong. On so many levels.
But then again, it’s not my life. It’s theirs. If they want to have a child together, their choice.
All I can say is they must be mentally superstrong to be able to withhold the taunting and verbal insults that may surely come their way.
Initially, there is a knee-jerk “creepy factor,” but once you examine the facts, there is nothing they are doing that is wrong. They are consenting adults. I admire their ability to give the finger to the world that judges them blindly like so many of the commenters here and live as makes sense to them.
@blonde_apocalypse - I think the age difference is secondary to the fact that she’s his GRANDMOTHER.
Granny: Not just for Grandpa anymore!
Thanks for the appetite suppressant.
Wrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong.
I don’t necessarily think it’s disgusting… they both met as adults. It’s not like she was preying on him when he was a child.
@emberfly_layouts -
Unfortunately for them, incest is bad for society, and bad for the children it bears.
ew
Very strange story..yet, incest is in the news often enough that I’ve just got to believe that it is happening much more frequently than anyone fully realizes..
I cannot understand this attraction between blood relatives and such vastly different ages, too!! What’s wrong with this picture???
wtf is wrong with them?! “i now understand my feelings werent wrong?!?!?” WOMAN THEY WRONG, THEY REAAAAL WRONG.
If both parties were consenting, butt the hell out. It’s none of the government’s business what two consenting adults do, related or not.
@MangoWOW - To be perfectly honest, any couple who have a big gap in their ages is gross, on some level. Older men date younger women all the time. Why shouldn’t women do the same?
wrong?!!!!!
i think it’s sexy as hell!!!!!!
EW WTF.
@blonde_apocalypse - I can’t tell if you’re really that stupid or if you’re just a troll. But either way: thanks for the laugh.
@Another_Perfect_Wonder - Never said they shouldn’t. But I’m gonna feel grossed out either way. Same way how morally, if a brother and sister had sex with protection there is nothing actually wrong with it. But we still think it’s gross.
I don’t have a problem with a couple who have a massive age gap who aren’t related and really are in love because it is true that you can’t help who you fall for.
But your own grandmother? I know I’m contradicting my above statement, but that’s a bit too far.
I thought that was just a Jerry Springer plot.
@MangoWOW - I am neither stupid nor a troll. Your attitude is gross.
that’s disgusting and their baby is going to look like something straight outta The Hills Have Eyes.
don’t know what to say.. .cmon mannnn you can do better than this!
@blonde_apocalypse - So unconsciously stupid then. Gotcha
i’m so weirded out…
EW.
Dang it! I wanted to beat you to this story, I’m way behind.
@MangoWOW - Nope. Not stupid on any level. I just recognize a disgusting attitude when I see it.
that’s wrong, the baby might come out retarded, that’s just nasty. That is incest.
He clearly has mommy issues.
Let me guess, these people live in a doublewide trailer in WV or KY or TN. and are on food stamps and welfare. This is an Obama test program right?
Oh dear…
Obama has name for this test project: Project WHTPT WHITE HILLBILLY TRAILER PARK TRASH the founder and president of this project is none other then Nancy Poliski and Harry Reid
I like older women. but this guy is seriously messed up in the head
call me close minded, but this is very EWWWWW!
…….i was initially really shocked to read this………
my first thought was how is this possible?
but my second thought became
love is love.
idk i feel both ways about this … even though i don’t necessarily agree with their decision
………………………….. ? O_o
I just vomited in my mouth. Incest, age fetishism, a woman who is too old to be having kids, much less having them with her own grandson…that situation is just all kinds of wrong to be bringing a baby into. Euw.
Why is this HERE?
This is TABOOO, like one of the FEW really TABOO shits…. jezzeuz…
i’m gonna puke… I’d rather cook and eat my own offspring…
This story is.. unique.
Ok, so if they have a kid, the kid is both the guy’s uncle and his son? Just plain weird.
I can’t think a witty response so I am opting for the immature approach. ewwwwwwww
But hey if two people love each other than… well not in this case because of the grandmother-grandson relationship and the huge age difference. Imagine the sex… that must be an awkward sight. insidemythoughtcloud
He IS a good looking man. I’ve heard about genetic sexual attraction before between siblings and even a mother an son (all grew up seperately by adoption) but a grandmother and grandson? I don’t know. This story would be slightly icky even without them being related. Just because of the enormous age difference. However, “Dating someone as old as your grandma,” and “Dating your actual grandma.” Bring out two verry different icks.
The article does stress that the two never had a family type relationship while He was growing up. I don’t know. God Bless that Surrogate. And they are using a donor egg, so the child will have different genetics coming from somewhere.
It’s really a touching story.
@TheGreatBout - If you read the article it expands on that. The Grandmother gave the mother up for adoption at birth then months after the son turned 18 the mother passed away. He did word it strangely.
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.
TRUE LOVE. everybody should learn from them!
Are their feelings wrong? Not necessarily, because I don’t think we can control who we fall for.
However, acting on those feelings is SERIOUSLY wrong. Incest is a sin (and it’s just plain gross)!
Just because I don’t understand their attraction and can’t possibly having a similar one myself, and just because I find it a little discomforting to think about, that doesn’t make their feelings wrong. If they’re two consenting adults who want to have sex (and they’re not cheating on anyone else), then that is fine. It’s not my place to judge. Their sex life is not harming me or society.
I really wish I hadn’t read this after lunch……EWWWW!
Ok so I googled the word “incest” and found out there are PORNO site of incestuous relationships?!?! Mother-son, Father-daughter, siblings, etc. Like, WTF is wrong with these people?!?!?! It is my opinion that family is sacred (true, this idea was definitely stuffed in me by my own culture, and family ideas, etc.). But really, family is sacred in most if not all cultures worldwide and incest is against the law in most, if not all countries worldwide. These people are hella crazy.
Errr… wtf?!
I was really hoping this was a joke..
eww… it’s not wrong because everyone should have the right to make their own choices, but personally i find that disgusting…
It is only wrong cause society says it is.
Granted the age dispersion is a bit large but incest was taboo’d not cause of having sex with family members but the high risk of genetic mutation.
Yes. It’s wrong. For all things good and beautiful in this world, it’s wrong. I can’t understand, for the life of me, how everyone’s begun down the road of general malaise when it comes to obvious wrongs (“consenting adults can do what they like” or “they’re gross, but not wrong”). First off, it’s incest. Don’t encourage it. Examples tend to embolden others who are on the borderline, which is why, if something’s wrong, we make an opposite example of it. This is why, as a society, executions have been big, public spectacles for centuries. Incest leads to genetic defects, and it spirals down and down from there. Secondly, she’s in her seventies and he’s in his twenties. Forty plus years? I have a hard time believing that this is healthy for society, considering that, if they go and obtain a baby, she’s more likely to kick the bucket at any time. She’s also outside the maternal age… Why the hell is she mothering a child? She’s going to keep up with a two year-old all day at her age? Unless she’s popping a 5 Hour Energy and a couple Red Bulls every half-hour, I don’t see that happening. Finally – it’s incest! Homosexuality and other “outcast” sexualities are all in a group of their own, because they don’t risk severe genetic defects. That’s why it isn’t going to ever be accepted. Before the dawn of decent study in genetics, people thought you could breed pedigrees in people, but now we know that you just end up in a huge gamble that’ll probably lead to a really messed-up kid. We’re a little more scientific than that, and it doesn’t seem like we’re going backwards as a society. So, no. Homosexuality, et al., are gaining ground socially, and, I’m sure, will be accepted by enough people as a non-threatening lifestyle (so much as something like a mixed race marriage was a no-no, but now isn’t too uncommon and, for good reason, accepted) in time. Incest never will be accepted. It’s dangerous to the genepool. This is a time where it’s actually fine to call people out and tell them to stop it. What’s next? “Necrophilia’s not wrong, because one’s consenting and the other is inanimate. It isn’t hurting anyone.”
meh, i can think of a lot of sexual acts that are supposed to be “mainstream” which are more disturbing than this in my opinion.
*gag*
Um, GAG. And poor child. Could you imagine your mother also being your great grandmother? Thats some fucked up shit.
If they’re two consenting adults who engage in sick incest then why does the law have to dictate everything? Still gross.
ew.
Well, think about it, a few generations ago it was okay to sleep with your uncles, cousins, grandparents, etc. People even married their relatives. I think that society is changing faster than the human body can. Not saying that I approve of insest, but I do think it’s very likely and common for these things to happen.
you start to ask why it has to be men and women, then you ask why it has to be non-relative
then you ask why it has to be between human, then you ask why it has to be between living organisms.
they should start a xanga account together, and add to the drama here
disturbing and gross yes. morally wrong… meh
Yes it’s wrong. What sickos.
@emberfly_layouts - That’s what I’m wondering.
@chabird - Exactly. I personally also ask about monogamy.
I don’t think it’s wrong. They’re consenting adults.
@TheGreatBout - I think it meant that the grandmother gave up her daughter for adoption and then the daughter died after giving birth to her son (the main guy).
Is this for real?
I honestly find it a bit weird/awkward/not right, but if someone’s in love… well, they’re in love! The only thing I oppose is having kids. Kids of two partners that are related to each other are so much more likely to have some sort of dysmorphia or disease.
@Starshine_Faerie - lol
what the fuck o_O
that’s fucken disgusting!
degenerate animals! I hope they go to jail under incest laws. Super gross!
Disgusting..I mean, THATS YOUR GRANDMOTHER!! the person who gave birth to yo mama.
GROSS! That poor fool couldn’t find anyone his own age? Geez… I understand the term cougar and all but.. This is just a bit too far… Not only is it unnatural for them to try to reproduce, but she’s also not even physically able to! How is it okay for them to play God? I’m not overly-religious or anything but there are just some things people shouldn’t be able to do. Such as this. There are too many instances of this! Yes, I do feel sympathy for those who can’t have children, but there’s also adoption. Next thing we know, there’s going to kids looking exactly the same being fathered by a child molestor simply because he claimed he “wanted to be a father.”
Wow. There really is not more “right” and “wrong” in this generation anymore. Everything’s about “what feels right.”
Disgusting, on so many levels.
They didn’t grow up around each other (right?)..which would make the situation far weirder than it already is. But..still weird. Gross. Ew.
@suuperstar - You said it best!
ewwww… i’m speechless
feelings are irrelevant to right and wrong; incest is wrong.
I was going to say, what the hell, as long as it’s not his OWN grandma. To each their own preferences! But now I see that it is actually his own grandmother? (forgive me but truth be told, I don’t alot time to study your links, I just go by what you say).
I would say just where in the fuck are these people, West Virginia, but now, while I still live in Arizona, I’d best back off on picking on certain states! This is not competing for evil place, bad, bad, bad.
ummm…well any relationship with that big of an age difference is strange…having it be a grandmother and grandson makes it even stranger
They seem to be mistaking romantic feelings for something that should have just been a family love, not sexual. They need counseling.
…Really? O_e
Hasn’t anyone heard of Harold & Maude?
@I_Am_Twilight - Ew. I hope.
eww
That poor future child!
I honestly think I puked in my mouth a little bit.
Revolting.
I read the same story on Cafemom and I am going to say what I said on the Cafemom discussion group which is, Yeah ewwwwwwwwwwww. A grandmother and grandson having a child?
@TheFaintingRoom - I’m with you on this one.
Personally, the story gives me an uncomfortable feeling that makes me a little sick to my stomach but it’s not my place to judge them. Incest has always existed and exists in the Bible as well. (I’m sure everybody knows the story of Lot and his virgin daughters already.) To most people it’s sickening and a taboo, but it’s not as if she raised him or anything.
Eh, I dunno. It’s gross, but consensual incest is way more common than people think.
SICK.
What the heck? That’s so wrong.
I went to catholic school as a child, and if I’m not mistaken, I’m pretty DAMN sure that’s a sin.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
If that would be a girl and her grandpa it would be more believable for some reason.
this makes me want to vomit. but i can’t say i think its “wrong” since they never knew each other until they were adults. but i am grossed out.
@whataboutbahb -
1. God’s.2. Our own nature’s (look at the comments, people aren’t going, “Eww” for eww’s sake). I look up the yuck factor you’re referred to. In Islam we call the good aspect of our intuition/nature fitrah.
rationale/logic can only take you so far. you can’t come up with morality from scratch.
yeah thats ghrim
EWEWEWEWEEEWEWEWEWEWEWEWEWEWEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWEWEWEWEWWEWEW WTFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!
& that’s all i’ve got to say about that.
You know what? This is literally the first time where I actually feel morally opposed to something someone else chooses. Usually, I just think, “Well, I wouldn’t do it, but it’s their life”. This is just beyond. You are naturally supposed to love your grandmother, as a grandmother. They’re thinking of no one but themselves. Sure, be in love, live together, be together – but do not impose this on a child. They will have to deal with PTSD before they even grow up. That is what makes it so fucking wrong. I can’t believe how nonchalant people are about having children now. They don’t think about the child. Fuck.
please tell me this is fake
@TheGreatBout - The grandmothers daughter – she had to give up – probably is the one who died while giving birth to her own son.
I find tis to be a compelling glimpse at the fluctuations of the moral spectrum. I happen to think that it isn’t wrong per se. I don’t support it or believe in it but I wouldn’t call it wrong.
I think that it is weird. But if you really think about it…thats how it was done (kinda) in ancient times. you married into your family to carry on the bloodline and the name. Its just the age difference thats alittle disturbing. Now im not saying that i would hook up with my grandpa now (since im a girl) but since it deosnt affect me personally…then its none of my buisness. theres no right or wrong when it comes to relationships.
to “the great bout”: If youve ever read the first book of the bible, theres a story about how two daughters had no mates, and therefore, no children, which they so much desired. So they took turns. so first daughter got her father entoxicated and then slept with him inorder to get pregnant. then the next night, the other daughter did the same. so i wouldn’t use your christianity as an excuse. because nowhere in the ten comandments does it day “thou shalt not have sex with your family”
jackpot news story, maestro
and where is your 0 eprops from hector on this one?
I can’t for the life of me imagine what kind of 26 year old man would want to have sex with a 72 year old woman but there you go. Gross factor is way up there but serious, who are they hurting? Oh wait! The baby they plan on having. Now that SHOULD be forbidden. Poor kid – what’s it going to call it’s mum? Great grandma mummy?
I don’t think it really matters if it’s wrong or not because their relationship isn’t hurting anyone, but they shouldn’t be having a kid together – that’s just stupid.
Yes, it’s wrong, and not just because I’m a Christian.
We are humans, not animals…we have structures and relationships in place to ensure that we stay human, to keep us safe and respectful of one another. Heck, even animals have certain relationships boundaries they don’t cross! For humans, not giving into your lust scrupulously is one of them. Having lust for your grandma/grandchild is bad enough…but acting on it? It’s one of the most digusting things possible, to betray a familial relationship that’s meant to be safe, not just for them, but for people the world over.
Incest is never OK.
I’m speechless, and that is rare lol. Just……ugh!
I guess she makes some awesome cookies…Eww that is so gross…
I am so disturbed by this. Thanks for sharing!
something about the whole thing just does not ring true to me. and if it is true…so very wrong…on so many levels.
while it is true that you can’t help who you like, that is really just soo wrong. go out, look for someone else, & fall in love with someone who’s not related to you. & think about it, how can you be together in jail? it’s just not worth it, not to mention weird & creepy.
@CommunismIsForLovers and nadiasabeh1 - The story of Lot does not necessarily demonstrate that the Bible thinks it’s OK…a lot of things happen in the Old Testament that are told in story form, but show that what is done is sinful (e.g. Abraham lying about his wife; the Levite cutting up his concubine into 12 pieces. Yeah, bad). Incest was expressly forbidden by the Bible in Leviticus 18 and 20. Besides, while sister-brother relationships may have been permitted early on for necessity, father-daughter relationships were never lawful.
that is so wrong on many levels…
Dude she’s hella old..and yeh incest
I don’t feel like it’s as wrong as everyone thinks it is — the woman went 26 years not knowing this man, and they never had a familial relationship. They simply met knowing they had a biological relationship, but not actually
knowing
each other.
If Phil had grown up with this woman as his grandmother, and she had helped raise him, it’d be a little different. But besides sharing genes, these peoples’ lives were completely separate for the man’s whole life.
I think cheaters are worst than incest. if incestuous people are gonna be prosecuted, cheaters who are caught should also be prosecuted/incarcerated.
@The_Miming_Black_Cat - your comment is the best one I’ve read so far, can’t agree with you more.
I’m mildly creeped by the fact that the child they have will not only be the man’s daughter, but his mom too.
Wrong. Very, very wrong.
um.. eww? this is disgusting.
I don’t know if I would ever be able to look at my grandma the same way after seeing this.
I do think this is wrong.
Oh boy….
You know, when I heard about this story, I thought “okay, maybe, I mean, the incestuous part of the story is less than ideal, but John Glover is an actor who is coming up to 70 and I think he’s gorgeous!” However, having actually seen the two of them…wtf? HOW can there be a physical attraction there? Now it’s not just perverted, it’s stopped making any sense at all…
Of course it’s wrong!!
They are mad to be having sex with each other >.<
Never heard of anything like this, and who am I to say what’s love and what isn’t? But, it does disturb me. Just a little creepy to me.
Maybe something psychological?
I wonder how they’re going to explain this to their kids…
Not sure exactly how I feel about this, but…love is love. Oh well. Let them be.
I heard about this on the radio this morning. I was hoping I heard wrong. This is horrible. It is wrong on so many levels. Morally I cannot accept this. I can’t even type anymore as I need my hands to lift the toilet seat so I can go throw up into it.
so totally disturbing and gross!!!! we are so messed up in so many ways!
Ewww
Sick, and not even calling it ”Genetic Sexual Attraction” can mask, not one little bit, that it’s incest with a very close relative.
That’s bizarre.
Its most abhorrent.
Sweet in any other situation.
But, most abhorrent.
Who would want to hit that?
Not wrong. Just creepy.
mm u cant stop the heart fro feeling but u can get away from those feeling… THAT IS GROSSS GRANDMA!!!! HE IS THE SON OF UR DAUGHTER!!!!!!
Sex is not supposed to be between a grandmother and her grandson. That is wrong and it’s incest!!!
either these creeps are lying for attention or their minds are BEYOND warped
That is just not right.
Oh man, that child is going to need sooo much therapy.
What was that movie? Oh yeah–Harold and Maude. I read about a guy and his great-grandmother back in the 1970′s.
I don’t approve–but i’m not surprised at the amount of people who are ok with it. As a society, we’ve been carefully schooled in “consensuality is the only standard”. Wait long enough, and you might be doing a post on zoophilia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer#Zoophilia
there is an indie movie subject to a guy has a relationship with much much elderly woman. i forgot the name of the movie though. I think it is possible.
@wrybreadspread - oh yeah, i was gona mention that movie. thanks.
THAT IS DISGUSTING.
I’m pretty sure this just fucked up my otherwise good day. Thanks.
ewww that’s so gross.
@quodmenutriut - word.
Oooooh boy =S.
this is just wrong..
This screams ‘Romantic Comedy.’ I feel like Miley Cyrus would star in it..
I would just feel bad for the kid…I mean, how twisted would it have to be to explain in class that the reason your family tree is so weird is that your great-grandma is also your “mom”? *shudder*
As to the person who said that incestuous couples should be accepted as homosexual couples are…I guess I agree. I mean, I think it’s creepy/gross, but who am I to tell 2 or more consenting adults what they can/cannot do? I do think that granny’s old, and at that age you don’t have the patience and strength to deal with a newborn, a child, or even a teen. But that’s their business, I guess. I also think that she might die very early in the kid’s life, and that might be hard for the kid to deal with, but things like that happen to younger parents as well, so…yeah. I personally find their feelings gross, but as long as they are not having biological offspring with one another, which they clearly cannot, I think it’s not for us to judge them.
@wrybreadspread - when an animal can speak as a human can and tell me (and the whole world) that it is having a consensual relationship with a human, I will be all for the pair’s freedom. As this is basically impossible (at the moment, and in the foreseeable future), your statement is a slightly ridiculous exaggeration.
What other standard should there be? As long as a relationship is consensual, and is not harming anybody else, what other standards are necessary? (I am asking ’cause I really want to know your opinion on this)
……..seriously?
OMG, Will Phil have this GSA for his child too? He seems the type.
Lynette would turn over in her grave.
it’s just simply immoral .
It’s horrible , disguesting .
I guess the incest betweem them is due to their psychological illnesss .
I can’t accept it at all .
@versatil -
People used to be disgusted by the thought of interracial marriage not too long ago….was society’s intuition right on that one?
And citing God as an ethical guideline is a fail. If God says to murder someone would it be ethical?
@lewk - it’s not a matter of consenting adults. maybe it’s just me personally but i don’t care about the age difference. it’s the fact that they’re blood related that disturbs me.
thats just disgusting
That is just plain sick! ( Barf)
they both need help
@whataboutbahb -
I mentioned good. Nature including the heart. Our intelligence isn’t limited to our mind/brain alone. If the heart is diseased in some regard then it’s akin to rewiring a pattern to make an exception the rule. The disgust of interracial marriage is (it still exists) one whose pillars were of racism, prejudice, sense of superiority, etc. This, too, is an effect of a disease of the heart (pride).
How is citing God a fail? We’re going to have to agree to disagree here.
If God said something and this is known then that is enough. But if you want to go beyond that then define ethical. Actually even without a definition of ethical yes it would be. He’d have a reason for it whether you know/understand it or not.
Sometimes I sit and think about if a brother and a sister could fall in love. I know it’s crazy, but I know these two people who just got me thinking.
Hey, I’m sure it’s possible. And hey, as long as they’re not hurting anyone else (including their baby who will be born with another woman’s egg), then I don’t see why anyone would have the right to judge them. I could think of incomparably worse things that happen in this world.
Well, personally, I think it’s rather gross. However, the child isn’t actually hers, so it’s not nearly as bad as if they had a love child that was both of theirs biologically.
Does it forbid incest in the Bible? I’m not very up on my Bible knowledge on this point . . .
Regardless, we should think it’s wrong to be with someone in your family. Familial relations are a good thing. The possibility of romance breaks down familial relations. Thus, the possibility of romance among family members is a bad thing.
@versatil - Citing God in trying to assert an ethical principle means you rely on an ethical system that contains the big problem mentioned. I think ethical guidelines and systems can (and should) be established without God, no matter if one believes in God or not.
@NikBv - ditto. whatever floats their boat.
@whataboutbahb -
What big problem?
That’s a nice thought but it can’t hold water. Where is it going to come from, how, who will justify it, who will enforce it, etc. You will always find holes, always be more wanting. It will be shaped by the times, by the affluent, and by the influential victims.
On the one hand one could say we don’t need a guideline. In the same way it is not a bill of rights that gives us our rights we shouldn’t really need to be told what’s ethical, what’s right, what’s wrong. But on the other hand we do need a guideline precisely because people do get to the point in one aspect/way of life or another that they find no need for it. This is risky to themselves and any involved however indirectly. And so we come up with stuff. Good stuff.
But unless there is law, an executive/authoritative force, and an observational force then the guideline is useless as the people it is for they feel it has nothing to do with them, is below them, etc.
What she said about thinking “what a handsome and sexy man he was before pinching myself” is a bit creepy because she obviously knew he was her grandson. But if they genuinely fell in love after that, who’s to say it’s wrong?
wow. thats so wrong.
barf.
We can be thankful that they hired a surrogate rather than granny getting impregnated and risking having a messed up inbred baby.
@SliverLines - I don’t get how blood related is any different than same sex or different ethnicities in this situation. It’s social stigma, nothing more.
This has been around since time began. If you look at your own family tree way back almost everyone has a case of this. Do I think its weird? sure its not something you see every day. Its their choice if they want to be together it doesn’t affect my life in any direct way so I don’t think I should have a say in whether or not they can be together just like I don’t think the law should have any part in it.
@nadiasabeh1 - you’re only partially right, mainly because you took the story out of context. there is the story of lot and his two daughters. nowhere in the Bible does it say it approved of it. like you said, they got him intoxicated. its not consentual (whether it is or not is just as bad). and yes i do believe the ban against incest is written in the Bible. you’re correct when you say that it is not one of the 10 commandments.
In my personal opinion, I think this is all right.
Normally I don’t agree with incest, but if you read the article, you’ll notice that they were NOT raised as grandmother and grandson.
Anyone ever watch that episode of House?
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father and daughter
and now.grandma and grandson?
Gross…. sorry, don’t mean to judge, but it’s kind of gross to me.
You know, I thought about it a little…and maybe her cookies are really just that darn good? You know what they say about chocolate…
@whataboutbahb - makes me think of Socrates and Euthyphro – is this moral because God loves it, or is it loved because it is moral?
@The_Miming_Black_Cat - Verbatim.
Well, that’s incredibly unpleasant.
@TheGreatBout - she put her up for adoption
Well people push homosexuality then why not incest?
I don’t see it as a big deal but I also don’t understand such a HUGE age difference.
But eh live & let live. She probably hit meno by now I hope.
@lewk - It’s about genetics. My only issue with it is that it creates a higher risk for birth defects. Other than that, I really don’t care what two mature adults do. Love is love to me. (& never-mind I just reread the post & they had a surrogate mother) My arguments is not pretty invalid.
i wonder how much they had to pay that surrogate mother before she would agree to get involved in all this.
I don’t care what they do with each other; they’re both adults and the relationship is consensual. However, it’s not fair to bring a child into that situation. It sounds like the child is biologically theirs– a product of her egg and his sperm. If that’s the case, it’s completely wrong. Incest causes horrible genetic problems. They might be okay with the “bullying” in public, but if they think their child will have a remotely normal life, they’re worse than idealistic. They’re horribly misinformed. I hope, for the sake of that child, that I’m wrong.
@saintvi - Amen to that.
I mean, pedophiles could use the same excuse. Necrophiliacs could use the same excuse. Hell, anyone with a vice could use that excuse.
“Oh, well, other people steal cars, so that means it must be ok.”
Can somebody say… desperate? Or… drugs? Or… alien wizards…
Yes, it’s nasty… But they can’t help it… Really though, you can’t help who you fall in love with. Even though love is just a chemical imbalance or whatever (sorry, I quit remembering things that got me no where in life). They are in love and they can’t help it. And sending them to jail for incest? I think that should only happen if one or both of the person’s is underage. It would of course be juvee but it’d probably eventually go into jail. Just depends. Just like in some states it’s ok to have more than one wife… Well, in some parts of certain states because of say, religious views. And so is incest. But again, you can’t help who you fall in love with.
Why does she think that it’s right just becuase there’s a name for it?
Why would they enter a relationship KNOWING they’re related?
What does he see in her?????? Geez, even if they weren’t related, the age gap is crazy.
So many questions.
they’re two people that are in love. love is love. i don’t see the problem.
EEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWW.
Uh whoa…that’s a little strange? Interesting…
He emailed his grandma pictures of him naked? What a fucked up man.
Cats do it…
They have the same nose and chin…is this actually them? ♥
eww
Her review of his pictures weren’t “feelings”, she was lusting after her grandson. This boy lost his mother and went looking for his grandmother and was probably seeking love and acceptence by her. That became twisted in lust. I think this whole situation is twisted and wrong.
sorry, but that is so wrong.
The world is going to hell in a hand basket………this some sick stuff……God have mercy of them……….that is wrong and nasty.
Wrong, weird, gross, illegal. They should go to prision for trying to have a child. You can’t do anything about who they want to sleep with. Even if it is nasty. *gag*
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