May 26, 2010

  • Is God Fair?

    One of the teachings of Christianity is that if a person confesses their sin, they will be forgiven.

    So if a serial killer kills 17 people and then asks Jesus into his heart, he is going to go to heaven.  Another person can live his whole life helping the poor and giving everything he has away, and yet go to hell because he did not ask Jesus into his heart.

    Is it fair to send a serial killer to heaven and a good person to hell?

                                                                      

Comments (267)

  • FIRST! lol

  • I ask myself these questions all the time. I feel like I’m a good person but I rarely go to church and commit other small sins. Who knows?

  • I shall refrain from answering this as it is a bit….too much for someone as me. Haha. I think both innocent and guilty should die. >=)(Juuust kidding)

  • No God is not fair.  and boy am I glad.

  • That’s a false premise.  The saving power of Jesus is unlimited.  The man in question already had Jesus in his heart.  That is what enabled him to do good.

  • Fair? You are the theologian, I am a cynic. I await your answer on this one.

  • If he is repentant.I mean, we all know right from wrong. If a person is only asking for forgiveness because they’re wanting salvation before death, then who knows. Probably not. If you’re evil in your heart, then the heavenly Father will know…I think that is what most people forget.

  • good may always triumph, but evil is here for the duration. 

  • well they have to ask for forgiveness not just confess. either way, i have no idea how this works. only God knows. i mean, i’m sure it’s not as easy as saying “i’m sorry.” God knows if you really mean it or not.

  • Hell is vastly underrated. 

  • I think people can be forgiven for even the most grievous sins.

    For the second person (a good person who doesn’t explicitly believe in Jesus,) I still think salvation is attainable. To do good works but to expect gain has
    no value.  But to do good works out of love/ unconditional love – to do
    something with no desire for instrumental gain would be an act of God
    in my opinion. Since I attest to a certain faith I believe self-less
    love is of God.  So those who do not attest to a faith in Jesus in
    words, but attests in actions means their acts are more than simple
    goodness.

    Matthew 21:28-32

    What do
    you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and
    said, “Son, go and work today in the vineyard.” “I will not,” he
    answered, but later he changed his mind and went. Then the father went
    to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, “I will, sir,”
    but he did not go. Which of the two did what his father wanted? “The
    first,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, the
    tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God
    ahead of you. For John came to you to show you the way of
    righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and
    the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent
    and believe him.”

  • According tot he Bible there is not such thing as a good person,  so we are all headed for Hell unless we repent (turn to Jesus and away from our sins) and place our faith in Jesus.  However it does seem that there are levels in Hell. 

  • The strict teaching of accept Jesus and automatically go to heaven regardless of anything else is a Protestant Christian teaching. There are a billion of us who know it’s not always that simple.

  • Maybe it’s because I’m a bit of a rebell, but I don’t think that’s how it works.  Sure, you can ask for forgiveness, but you’d have to change your soul in order for it to b granted. You can’t just ask.  That and I don’t believe that people who don’t believe in God go to Hell. God can’t be that unfair.

  • i don’t believe that a god exists.  but the god that people create in their head is usually biased towards each individual feelings.

  • Umm, can man do good apart from God? Good by definition is God-glorifying. Helping the poor is useless unless for the glory of God.

  • No.

    The fact people have to accept and worship someone despite doing wonderful things their entire life makes this God sound like an attention -starved school girl.

    I also find it sick that people believe we are born evil.

  • No He is Not Fair, We all deserve Hell, He has provided a way of Escape for all of mankind.

  • Depends if he ate them.

  • @Paul_Partisan - Hell is vastly underated because you think it’s the bottom of your liquor bottle.

  • @causemetokneel - helping the poor is useless unless for the glory of God? does that mean that everything good one does is to please God so that they can go to Heaven? that doesn’t seem quite right. I’m sure there are people who do good just to be a good person. I believe in God, but I don’t do good things just because I want to go to Heaven.

    plus, what about atheists who are still good people?

  • No.

    But then, good and bad are subjective, life isn’t fair, and religion and logic tend to be exclusive of each other…

  • Can a serial killer truly repent though?

    I don’t think any properly defined serial killer is capable of empathy as having serious personality disorders. Serial killers are persons who are so seriously damaged or defected on an emotional/psychological level (whether from before birth from head trauma or genetics or from enviroment after birth such as the attachment theory or other crime theories or from other conditions that may ’cause such problems) that personally I think the serial killer is incapable of asking forgiveness unless put in a position where asking forgiveness is a manipulation technique – hence making it null and void. I may be wrong – but there are fundamental differences between those who commit serial murder (and take pleasure in it – such as the dude who ate parts of his victims and then buried them underneath his floorboards and his family living with him had no idea what that smell was) and those who kill one person and spend the rest of their life regretting it.

    If heaven and hell were true and if a serial killer were capable of asking forgiveness and assuming that that was what god wanted from each of us before we could go to heaven – then I would say that it is grossly unfair.

  • If a person doesn’t believe in god then there’s a possibility they don’t believe in hell either, therefore them not believing in god won’t make them think they’re going to hell. 

  • what’s fair.

  • but it’s not a matter of being fair.  if it was, there would be a number of things that wouldn’t be the way the are. 

  • @ivarahBharavi - Remember that a lot of people believe Atheists have no morals and are the bane of existence. *rolls eyes* According to an alarming amount of people, being atheist should garner me no reason to stop myself from commiting atrocities.

  • I knew God was unfair the day my mom told me about a 3 year old on the news being raped and murdered. What f*cking sins did she commit?

    Aside from that, I have asked God for forgiveness for my wrong doings, well, every day, and those who have wronged me who will not ask for forgiveness seem to be living it up, so whatever.

    It’ll never make sense.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Can a person who does good his whole life but is a gay or lesbian go to heaven because of having “Jesus” in his/her heart despite never having asked him into their heart???

  • Hmm… I can’t quote the verses, but I know in the New Testament repentance and baptism are cited as requirements for salvation. So if you are taking a literal interpretation, this premise is valid and you can’t be saved for just being a good person. I’m not willing to fight anyone on this though because maybe you don’t take a literal interpretation. And it doesn’t really matter to me anyway because I am an atheist. I have studied the Bible for 18 years though.

  • And no, it isn’t fair.

  • @Dreaming_under_the_water - You’d probably have to ask Jesus about that.  Christian doctrine is what it is, but Jesus judges the living and the dead.

  • From what I learned in church…YES! =]

  • @Murphy_Rants - I don’t know what’s wrong with me, but for some reason your last sentence isn’t registering in my head. -_- could you say it in different words? hahahaha.

  • @ravenbeauty2 - For Christians it is critical that each human being hear the Word of God, repent and then get Baptized.  Those are the teachings of Jesus.  But this post is about judgement and salvation.  That isn’t our department.  Only Jesus can save and only he can judge.

  • I think the question is worded incorrectly. 

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - very well said and true everyone that is a christian and believes was created in his image.. but on the other hand not everyone believes in God so i myself can only go what is written  the people that do bad things just chose what path to follow good or evil..and it is really for us not to say bcoz technically we really do not know..so this im sure is a pretty touchy subject for alot of people..but it is a good question to ask..and get feedback.. ne ways Lo born have a great nite..

  • @ivarahBharavi - I’m sorry. LOL. I’ve been reading a lot of…uhm…’wordy’ stuff lately. XD

    Bascially, people think that because atheists have no belief that they will be judged for an afterlife, that it would be OK to go out kill people, steal everything, rape, and do all these gross and horrible things just because there is no supreme being judging them.

  • @Megan@revelife - agreed

  • God is not fair. My mother is an amazing person. Yet she is battling with leukemia. And i’m terrified. She’s not doing so well.
    Where is the fairness in that?

  • No one deserves anything from God.

    Ro 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,  Ro 3:9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.    Ro 3:19  Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Ps 14:3 They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.  Ps 53:3 Every one of them has turned aside; They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.  Ro 3:10 As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;   Ro 3:12 They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.”

    The fact that any go to heaven is because of His Mercy and Grace.

  • it’s not enough to merely confess…Jesus says repent meaning to make a 180, to turn completely around. yet, the criminal on the cross did it and he met Jesus in paradise on that day but most of us have a chance to do so. Jesus is the only one who could judge

  • the person doing good for other people will still have thoughts of evil, but the murder acted on it.

    Still evil.

  • The problem is we see things from a flesh perspective, we can’t see what is trully in someones heart so how can we judge either way. If God was fair we all would have no hope and go to hell with the devil who hell was made for. Why He choses to save some and not others I’m sure I don’t know, but then His ways are so much higher than mine, it’s like comparing a grain of sand to the sun. He made it all weither some believe it or not, so He can do with it as He pleases.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - “But this post is about judgement and salvation.  That isn’t our department.  Only Jesus can save and only he can judge.” This from the most judgmental b*tch on Xanga. 

  • @vixen_with_a_cause@lovelyish - God did not rape or murder the three year old some human being did that.  It was the sin of the person that did this, 

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - he said underrated, not overrated.
    Loaded question, taken in the wrong way.
    There are some that teach that accepting Jesus into your heart is all you need to do to be saved. But that’s not all.
    You have to hear the teachings of christianity,
    believe in them,
    confess that you are a sinner (as we all are)
    repent(which is more or less a turning over a new leaf)
    and then, baptism, and walking a new life doing the right thing.
    this process is recorded in the bible, and it also states that true salvation cannot be obtained other than these means. Others interpret it differently (the thieves on the beside Jesus during his crucifixion  for example) and say that you can just say you accept him into your heart, but consider this: if that’s all you had to do, then Christianity wouldn’t be worth much would it? There is commitment that has to be made in order to achieve true salvation.

  • Jesus want’s me for a serial killer? I  Don’t  Think  So!

  • @Murphy_Rants - hahaha, it definitely feels good to be wordy when typing, because it makes you feel smart. I do that too! (:

    and yeeeah, that’s true. but I know people who are atheist/agnostic who are still really good people. like I said, I myself believe in God but don’t do things thinking about what God must think of it. I’ve also heard of people who go to church – or just a place of worship – weekly and pray to God and what not, and still go on committing crimes. so it’s ridiculous to assume what one’s morality is based on their religious beliefs.

  • @Da__Vinci - Lawls. This made my day.

  • @Da__Vinci - You can take your flame war some place else.  Regarding the topic at hand, there is a difference between discernment and judgement.

  • @SimplyNita - not beleiving in something does not make it any less true.

  • @Dreaming_under_the_water - i really liked what you had to say dreaming and it is very true..to a point but again i will say we do not know what is really fact or fiction when it comes to God..im just being not biased.. bcoz ppl have their right to their opinion.but about jeffry dahmer. i do not know what was wrong with him. he came from a good family.he was sexually deranged and was a cannibal.. but i do know quite a bit about serial killers since i study them..i like forensic science. and profiling ect..anyways love to chat more i subbed to u if u dont mind..

  • @Murphy_Rants -  The truth shall make you free! 

  • Talk is cheap.  The God I pray to, values action.

  • @ivarahBharavi - Haha, yes. I’m glad a lot of peolpe do realize that! But, it’s still scary the amount of people I’ve run into that think nothing good can come of a person with beliefs like mine.

  • @Titus3_5 - Nope, he didn’t, but he allowed it to happen.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Anywhere you go is a flame war. “Hell is vastly underated because you think it’s the bottom of your liquor bottle.” I suppose this is discernment on your part? 

  • @WordsandThoughts - Exactly

  • @Da__Vinci - =]

  • God doesn’t exist, that being said….worms are going to eat his corpse just the same as the nicest person you know.

  • @Murphy_Rants - if nothing good could come out of you, we wouldn’t be having a civilized conversation right now. =)

  • @ravenbeauty2 - No worries. Are you a criminology student? I’m studying a degree in criminology at the moment - hope to double it with the available degree in forensics in the next couple of years. Drop around any time

  • @Titus3_5 - I don’t think she was trying to say that God raped the 3-year-old. but instead, she’s asking – as do I – what sins the 3-year-old must have committed to be punished by rape? it just shows that God isn’t exactly fair.

  • @Titus3_5 - Well Put.

  • @ivarahBharavi -Yup, sorry I think you misunderstand me, i neversaid that. I said good works are not really good because you’re not doing it for God. If you were feeding children, but they are going to hell, what’s the point? You aren’t doing good. Similarly you’re not serving God, but you’re still serving the Devil, it’s delusion. I’m not referring to you btw…=)

    Yup, atheists who are good people? Yeah, why do you call them good? Only God is good.

  • @vixen_with_a_cause@lovelyish - I am not aguing or anything but I don’t think we can accuse God of every evil ever committed.  God should over ride man’s free will.??  it is man’s fault that evil happens.  and look at the depth of how evil man is, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and this man, are all proof to the evil of man and God will all of us Justice one day.

  • @ivarahBharavi - And I love that we can! :D

  • The Bible never claims God is “fair.”  He is JUST.  Huge difference.

  • @ivarahBharavi - well said ivarah and true..no one has the right to judge anyone at any given time.everyone although has their right to opinion..but to tell you the truth their is no such thing as religion thats what society made up. you either believe in God or you don’t..religion is made up of groups that think they have to believe this or that but in reality.. there is only one God the creator of nature and of all things and of the universe..

  • @ivarahBharavi - She was raped because of a sicko pervert who is one day going to stand before God and will get justice,  I can not think of something the Bible talks worse about than someone who hurts children.  God is even today greived over the sins on this planet.

  • @ravenbeauty2 - I awlays say Religion is man’s effort to reach God-  Jesus- is the way the truth and the life, God reaching down to man.

  • If only I believed in an afterlife!  Luckily you don’t have to do mental gymnastics when you don’t hold an untenable belief!

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace -  You definitely are being judgmental :P

  • @Da__Vinci - “Hell is vastly underated because you think it’s the bottom of your liquor bottle.”

    I guess I sort of hit a nerve with you.  But you being a drunkard is not me being judgemental.

  • Is it fair that one sin is no worse than another sin?  In society we certainly find one sin to be far worse than another, but it doesn’t seem to work this way in heaven.

    If Jeffery Dammer asked for forgiveness and asked Jesus into his heart and was sincere, he is in heaven as we type.  This strikes me as a scary thought, but Biblically he is.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - The comments you spew across Xanga are some of the worst examples of Christianity I’ve ever seen, I truly feel sorry for the other Christians who have to witness your hatred and malice, it must make them cringe. Tell me, do you belong to Fred Phelps church?

  • @Titus3_5 - Gotcha, but here’s my deal with this: Evil is evil, simply put. Good, on the other hand, has a whole bunch of grey areas which are ok for God, but not for us. I can’t tell you any scripures (sp?) or page numbers, but I know the “bible stories” that got to me the most when I was active in my then religion. God has done human things, made human mistakes, but we are somehow expected to be better than that and devote our lives to what one entity says we should be.

    I’m for the good of humanity, and I do believe in God, but not that of the Catholic religion. I believe in a God that doesn’t consider premarital sex a sin when people are in love, or homosexuality because love is love and the world needs more of it, or to have “honor thy mother and father” on the ten commandments when kids have parents who become abusive alcoholics. In short, I believe my time on earth should be dedicated to what I know in my heart is right and helping as many people as I can, not to holding back my care and affections to an entity I’ve never even met. I also believe, however, that true good is the work of God and no matter what he does to keep me down, I’ll keep fighting for something better.

    Now as for the evil of mankind and free will, I know that some are born sociopaths and so the next bit will not relate to that group. That being said, I also believe that one of the roots of evil are when one reaches for God, continues to do good, and gets nothing but bad in return. We know nothing of the afterlife (I believe there is one), but even the most religious person can’t say “I died and went to heaven, and so it exists”. So when good people are punished (for what, who knows?), many will start to doubt if there is a God or “the other side” and begin to live life as if life is all there is and is theirs for the taking. Now that, is evil, and when I talk about my religious beliefs I am talking about MY God, as in what I believe God to be. I wonder why that God doesn’t step in and give me a hand when I have begged for it, and now I feel like I don’t have the energy to survive, let alone do good in a world where survival is to be cold and cruel. I’ve gotten up off my butt, done my best and failed time and time again and have gotten no where. Isn’t this about the time that I’m due for a helping hand?  

  • God’s not an idiot. He will know if your sincere and a good person and worthy of heaven or not.

  • @purity_within - So you’re saying he knows if you’ve been naughty or nice? Where have I heard that one before?

  • I’m sure that there are many who have already commented on this, but

    “Christianity” as a unified whole doesn’t exist.  I always appreciate your questions, but this one sets up a false dilemma.  If you want to ask people if they agree with one side or the other, ask.  But don’t characterize a heterogenous group as if they all have homogenous ideas about theology–because they sure as hell don’t.

    This would be equivalent to pretending that all Muslims (Sunni and Shiite) agree about who are truly followers of Muhammed.  They don’t, and it’s ignorance to think otherwise.

  • an eye for an eye…

  • When did God do human things??? not sure I got you on that.  If God is the creator then God surely gets to make the rules, but we all want to change them so that they will suit us (which is idolatry), and then be upset because God does not do what we want him do, when all the Time we are telling God that we don’t think God knows what is best, but God should bow down and conformto what we think God should be.

  • @long_haired_muse - Going along with that thought – who can actually speak for his supposed creator anyway?  With any real respect for the truth he would have to realize he has no clue.

    The phrase the religious hate to say:  “I don’t know”

  • @Titus3_5 -  Technically speaking being Jesus was god doing human things eh?  He also gets angry/jealous A LOT in the OT, that is pretty human.

  • I  have thought about this before and, as of now, I think I’ve come to the conclusion that that is not up to us to decide. As a Christian, I believe that God will ultimately decide our fate and we can’t decide it ourselves.

  • The example of the thief on the cross seems pretty solid theologically… The guy repented within a few hours of his death, and Jesus said “Today you will be with me in paradise.”

    From an authoritarian perspective, I guess if the Universe belongs to you, you can save who you want to.

  • I wonder what people would say if the second person was not only good and loving and generous, but ALSO actively denied the existence of any god, denied the bible, et cetera?

  • The entire concept of heaven and hell is horribly flawed. Every person is flawed and every person has their virtues. You can’t just have a blanket standard for everyone and expect it to work very well. 

  • I was just having this very discussion with a friend today and my belief is that a good person is a good person and hope God will judge them accordingly. Christian, Muslim, Jewish, other… I honestly hope to see all good people make it to Heaven. As for those who disagree, I believe that organized religion like to indoctrinate their followers into thinking a certain way usually for their own benefit but, I think it indicates a kind of insecurity and lack of tolerance on their part.

    There is an example in Islam of a woman who was a prostitute and, if I recall correctly, she did one kind act that got her forgiven of her sins and into heaven and that was being kind to a stray animal. If some Muslims would think about the meaning behind this story they wouldn’t be so quick to pass judgment on people of other faiths concerning the question of “Who will get into Heaven?”

  • @ravenbeauty2 - thanks! but what did I say well? and though many people think my name is ivarah because of my username, my name is Bharavi =) (it’s pronounced BAR-vee) if you must know, my username is my name spelled backwards and then forwards.

    @Murphy_Rants - as do I! like I just said to ravenbeauty, my name is Bharavi [BAR-vee]. nice to meet you :D

    @causemetokneel - no, I think I completely understand what you’re saying. you’re saying that something you do isn’t good unless you’re pleasing God by doing it, or that you’re slowly paving your way to Heaven by doing it. no offense to anyone who’s religious – in fact, I myself believe in God but I tell this to my mom, too – but I think that one of the most disgusting things about religion is that it often teaches people to do good things only because they want a good afterlife for themselves. how can you call yourself a good person when everything you do is for a selfish reason?

    I mean, if you fast or if you go on missions to convert people (hopefully unforcefully), do it because of your devotion and love for God, not because God will appreciate it and want you to go to Heaven. if you feed a hungry child, do it because of your compassion for the child, not because you think God will give you a good afterlife because of it. if you donate money to a cause such as cancer, then do it because you have a passion for that cause, and do it to save others’ lives, not to save your own afterlife. I can obviously go on and on, but I won’t.

    and to answer your question, the point of feeding a child who was going to go to hell would be because I want to minimize the child’s suffering as much as I can.

    I also don’t understand why an atheist cannot be a good person. I know atheists who are better people than theists. then again, it depends on what you consider a good person…

  • @Da__Vinci - “So you’re saying he knows if you’ve been
    naughty or nice? Where have I heard that one before?” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. you’re awesome.

  • @Da__Vinci - I always wonder what side of Westboro she woke up on. XD

  • @ivarahBharavi - Nice to meet you too. My name is Megan. Most call me Meg.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - I agree with you. I don’t think that “accepting Jesus” is necessarily The Way To Get Into Heaven. Heaven isn’t a club for elitists. It isn’t a place for only those who pray. And with that in mind, I say that yes, God is fair and God is merciful.

  • @Da__Vinci - You jackass! Quit making me laugh my ass off when every one in my house is sleeping!!!! But then it’s my fault, I wouldn’t be laughing so much if I wasn’t drunk . . . .

  • well the point is clear..wish i had an answer but i’m not God…i’ll let Him decide that

  • @Titus3_5 - Ah, this one was on me. Since you have messaged me, we’ll continue this then. But since you seem to be friendly don’t lose your train of thought because I think we can get somewhere on this!

  • see here’s the thing that I really don’t like to believe about Christianity…. I don’t think that’s fair at all.

    I know plenty of good people who don’t believe and I know plenty of fucking scumbags who do.

  • i can’t really comment on the arbitration of an entity i don’t believe to exist.

  • I think your question should be is Christianity fair because the way Christianity sees God is different to other religions, I think.

    But yes, I think God is fair. It only makes sense for each religion to say it’s the right one, and consequently teach that everyone needs that religion to go to heaven.

    Besides, the only people that care are the atheists, and they don’t believe in heaven and hell anyway, so they don’t need to get their knickers in a bunch over it. :)

    I had a Christian friend tell me straight out “you are going to hell”, which threw me off. But then I thought about it and realised “hey, that is what he believes, and I respect him saying it like that without fear.”

    As for the question at the actual end of your entry, well as long as the serial killer really meant his repentance, it is fair for him to go to heaven. He gets his punishment in life (jail-term), so why should he be punished in the after-life as well? He paid his price, you could say. And the good person, well that’s up to each religion and its beliefs. I never liked the idea of sending good people to hell, but who am I to argue that? haha.

  • The Bible makes it absolutely clear that it isn’t our works that get us into heaven, but our faith. Our faith should be accompanied by good works, but it is only our sincere belief in Christ that is our narrow road to the glory of God.
    God doesn’t have to be fair because God is just. We seem to have a skewed interpretation of what fair really is.

    The entire point to our existence is to worship God and live life for him. Is it fair that God should let the people who’ve ignored him their whole life, to enter into an eternity with him?

  • I don’t think they can ever redeem what they have done, but they can be forgiven. If the murderer is truly sorry, and ask for God’s forgiveness sincerely, it doesn’t seem wrong that they be let into heaven, for havent we all sinned?

  • It says on

    1 Samuel 16:7 “Man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

    If you try to repent, but your heart remains evil then Lord can definitely tell. 

  • I’m a good person, a spiritual person but not in any way a religious person. I find it comical, sad and dangerous that any religious group could believe they are the one and only path to salvation. The church and religion are both human inventions and nothing more than a middle man to God.

    I consider dogmatic belief and dogmatic denial very childish forms of
    conceit in a world of infinitely whirrling complexity.

    - Robert
    Anton Wilson

    “Religion easily has the best bullshit story of all time. Think about
    it. Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man . . .
    living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every
    day. And the invisible man has a list of 10 specific things he doesn’t
    want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a
    special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish
    for you to live forever, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end
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    money.”~ George Carlin

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  • Yes.  Sin is what keeps us apart from God, and the condition for removing the barrier is to seek redemption.  The idea is that no matter how many “great” things you do in your life, if you have sinned at least once, then you have separated yourself from God.  These are our actions, for people to claim its “unfair” are missing the point, and they simply refuse to accept the consequences of their own actions.  It says the wages of sin is death.  But those who believe in the son shall not perish but have everlasting life.  That’s just the reality of it.  People can complain about how unfair it is, but its meaningless.  Its like saying how unfair it is to be unable to fly like a bird, or complaining about how unfair it is for a home you can’t afford in the first place is foreclosed on.  How unfair someone wants to label it is irrelevant.   

  • I decline commenting on posts which focus on religion or politics.

  • There is no god, and there isn’t really even any such thing as “fair.” Things just happen. Get over it.

  • “if a person doesn’t think there is a god to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges.” _jeffrey dahmer

  • @MidwesternShenanigansIN - You just did.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - @Megan@revelife - What they said.

  • NOPE! And I wrote a blog asking a number of questions right here:

    http://crushpuppy.xanga.com/724104694/the-day-god-left-a-goodbye-note–/

  • @Megan@revelife - What about the thief who was crucified with Christ? At his death, He asked Christ for forgiveness and by the words of Jesus it was granted to him. He gained in a moment what he could not have earned and should have forfeited by the nature of the way he lived

  • Of COURSE NOT.  D’uh.

  • @tholianweb - Yes.  Sin is what keeps us apart from God…

    That rule is a construction of God’s, and we can judge that rule on our perception of justice or fairness.

  • @jmallory - The entire point to our existence is to worship God and live life for him. Is it fair that God should let the people who’ve ignored him their whole life, to enter into an eternity with him?

    You assume a fair playing field towards knowing God.

    A child born in the modern United States has an astronomically greater chance to know Jesus than a similar child born in modern Qatar. Faith in God is a loaded die– more than any choice, our religions are almost deterministically biased by circumstance. The child in Qatar would proably not have the opportunity to know God, and this would be for factors completely beyond his control.

  • @Da__Vinci - Some people are simply to be avoided on Xanga.

  • It’s all a matter of the heart. We might not think it’s fair because we really don’t know what those two people’s hearts look like. The person who spends his whole life helping the poor and giving everything he has away could have just been doing that all for himself, for his glorification, hoping to get something out of that in return, which means his whole life was a lie. God says that each sin is equal. so lying = murder. God’s only goal is for us to follow him. The story of the thief on the cross comes to my mind here. Jesus and the thief were both being crucified. The thief knew that Jesus was God’s son and asked for him to remember him in heaven. Jesus told him that his sins were forgiven.

  • what is fair then….?!
    besides, forgiveness bestowed when the person truly confess his sin, not just say it or show it in superficial ways!
    so, nobody really know who is forgiven or not, or who have gone to heaven or gone to hell!
    Confession is not a simple thing as that you just say it to a “priest” or a church minister, or whoever in a religious sector.
    it involves the renewal of one’s thoughts, attitudes, as well as their conducts and speech patterns, deep down in their hearts.

  • In my opinion, hell being the absence of God, I would say that yes, God is fair. He doesn’t force himself on those who don’t want him. Unfair would be to force you to spend eternity with him when you don’t want to. By the way, salvation is more than just asking Jesus into your heart. It involves repentance as well and I believe the bible also says that there isn’t really such a thing as a good man

  • The Bible never said “good people will go to heaven”.

  • God is not fair.
    God is good and God is just and He is interested in seeing us grow, not in what’s “fair”. His standards are all that matters.

    Every atheist/agnostic is going to puke when they read my comment, lol.
    ~V

  • Lol religion.

  • @TheMarriedFreshman - not puking, I just don’t believe a thing.

  • Define “good.”  Not one of us is without sin.  No, God is not fair.  If he were, not one of us would ever have a chance to go to heaven.  Salvation is a gift – not what we deserve.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Are you suggesting that non-Christians can never do anything good?

  • @radicalramblings - I am suggesting exactly the opposite.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - How so?  Your comment was “That’s a false premise.  The saving power of Jesus is unlimited.  The man in question already had Jesus in his heart.  That is what enabled him to do good.“  But, the post says the man didn’t ask Jesus into his heart.  It seems like you are suggesting anyone who does anything good must have Jesus in their heart already or they wouldn’t be able to do good.  Maybe you can clarify what you really meant?

  • I wonder

  • There’s no fair, no deserve, no karma. 

  • something i’ve always wondered about..

  • Who cares.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - If that is so, why would he have rejected faith?

  • Fair?  God/Karma?  don’t make me laugh.

  • @polishswede - Hi, (Dzien dobry!  God dag!)
    I wish to call your attention to a few biblical statements as being the Word of God. __By the way, remember that with God it is 100% commitment or nothing!__First off, God has set forth the conditions to have eternal life, and being absolute in nature, there is no possible alteration of this set of conditions. The main condition to inherit eternal life is to accept Jesus as one’s Savior and ask him to receive us the way we are because only he is able to really change us. This means we should confess our sins, etc. The only sin that is not forgivable being the sin against the Holy Spirit, e.g one rejects the force which is capable to save.
    Next, honesty alone does not suffice to bring in eternal life together with God. O)ne is honest toward himself and humanity, which is a good thing, however, the principal condition is not there: you have to ask for eternal life in order to receive the same. Logically enough; if you do not ask for something, it is assumable that you don’t want that thing.
    I suggest you read Ezechiel ch. 18 verses 20-26 with emphasis on verse 25. Please, read also Job ch. 38 with emphasis on verse 1. As well, please read Job ch. 40 with emphasis on verses 1 and 2.
    Moreover, I the chosen example is not perfect when you consider Mat. 25. The Lord says that many people will be saved for having been unawares helpful to some of his servants in their mission on earth.
    Anyway, I wish anyone reading this comment take God’s matter seriously, very seriously. God Bless!
    David C. Regis.

  • I’ve known atheists who have done good in their lives, always helped out their fellows, and walked a path more Christ-like than many “Sunday Christians” walk [heavy with drink, blaspheme, knock down maybe 4 of the ten Commandments, look upon others with lust in their eyes, hate their neighboring countries - or, directly, their neighbors...then show up at church in their Sunday Best, to do it all over again].

    My thoughts? Yeah, I’m a Christian, but not one of “those” Christians.

    I’m of the thought that just like people in the walking world can see right through the thin veils of deceit and can smell through the rosewater to the BS; so, too, I figure the Big Sir in the Sky has a good understanding of What’s What.

    I’m pretty sure that, unless Mr. Dahmer up there had a strong, strong sense of not just “S–t, I’m busted!” guilt, but a total rewriting of the psyche and soul, he’s likely to have quite a bit of deprogramming to go through on the other side of things.

    I’m also of the opinion that the atheist, Buddhist, Muslim, and others that are not Judeo-Christian based of faith, but still had it in them to do the Right Thing, however things may go…I’d wager that they’d be more likely to have a better transition, faith or no faith.

    I’m of the thought that Jesus was all about giving lip service to nothing, but walking it and talking it through everything…whether taxman, harlot, fisherman, thief, politician, beggar…I’m guessing he walked his walk as a sort of living “Here is a life – live it through me…I’m not God – I’m a child of God – as are you.”…that we should live it, “in remembrance of me”…

    That’s my $0.02…but it looks like I put in too much at the till. Ehh…keep the Change… ;)

  • It just depends on if you believe that ‘accepting Jesus into your heart’ is what gets you into heaven. I was always taught that there is way more than that. And alot of time serial killers take some sort of enjoyment in their ‘work’ so I doubt that they are sincerely sorry, and that’s the only way you can be forgiven–I believe, anyway. Like, I was also taught that masturbation was a sin. Am I sincerely sorry for that? Nope. If that’s what prevents me from getting into heaven. Well. I don’t really know what I’ll do about that lol.

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - This is so not true, unless your definition of “Christian” is different. Christians are of course capable of doing bad things, they had and are still doing these things.

  • @registreus - I wonder, why would our Almighty Creator want all these things? Isn’t He without need? Why are we the way we are now?

  • @gobdog - Is masturbation a good way to reduce raping incidence?

  • Jesus said to the thief on the cross, “Today you will be with me in paradise!”  Last minute salvation.  Quite frankly, I would rather know that when we accept Christ we are automatically accepted into the Kingdom of God, instead of wondering all the time.  Some things do not seem fair, but all God asks is that you believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sins.  It is the heart God is looking at, not your deeds.  He wants a submissive heart.  For some, that is too much to ask.

  • hmm. what’s not fair is how that question was phrased. =/

  • “When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time! But He loves you.” George Carlin 

  • @nowayout001 - My understanding of Christianity expressed here comes straight out of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

  • @nowayout001 - If the premise is wrong no further valid conclusions can be made.  It doesn’t make sense to ask a question based on a false premise.

  • Life in general is not fair.

  • you actually don’t know who goes to heaven or hell.  only God knows.  

  • That is, if you happen to believe in a heaven or a hell…

  • hahahaha,,, no,,, i wouldnt do that… i am very fair…

  • @nowayout001 - No, I wouldn’t think so. Rape is more about power than getting off, and masturbation is only about getting off. Even if you have violent fantasies, there is a difference in thinking about it, versus actually doing it–psychologically, for the rapist/…person masturbating.

  • Okay, I’m not going to interject my thoughts on this one, only what I have been taught by the Catholic church.  The answer is yes.  There are only four things that need to happen in order to go to heaven.  Baptism, Confession, Communion, and then the Last Rites.  After those four things, you are guaranteed entry through the pearly gates at least according to Roman Catholism.  So, if the serial killer had those four things, then yes he would go to heaven and the other guy would go to hell.  According to the Catholic church, there is no other way to go to heaven….if you don’t have those four things, no matter what you did or didn’t do in your life, you are going to hell.

    @Murphy_Rants - Oh, thank goodness I’m not the only who thought that about her!!!!  I always thought she played some important role in Westboro! 

  • I think the true forgiveness is between the sinner and God. Only God can tell whether or not that person is at all sincere. Remember the robber who asked for a place in heaven when nailed to the cross next to Jesus. He must have done some pretty horrible thing taht got him a death sentence. But because he recognised Christ as Lord he was promised entry to heaven. There million out there who “do good” things, but truth is, without Jesus, they remain unsaved. It is aloso possible to do good, not because we love Christ and humanity, but because we love ourselves even more, and we are just trying to satisfy our own selfish needs, like social recognition.

  • loaded.

  • I don’t think God sends folks to hell.  God is heaven~ why would anyone that didn’t hang with God here on earth, want to be with God in heaven? What purpose would there be in going to heaven? Don’t we pretty much chose where we want to be after life here on earth? With God or without God.  Just my thoughts~

  • @gobdog - Depends… People rape for different reasons…

  • It all depends on the sincerity behind the request and the seriousness of the sin. I firmly believe that God does not forgive everybody and is not always fair. And I consider myself to be just as much a Christian as anybody else is.

    There is such a thing as sinning against The Holy Spirit (which I believe is murder) and that one God will never forgive.

  • @nowayout001 - Generally speaking rape much more of a power trip than sexual release, it’s just the psychology of it, but yeah I mean there are exceptions to every …’rule’ for lack of a better word. I guess just read some articles about it from a reputable database if you want to learn more about it. Or psychology/sociology books? I’ve asked myself why people rape, so I did the research for myself a year or so ago.
    …I figured you had more of a point to make, though, because you kind of pointed out a random part of my first response to this blog.

  • For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, (Romans 9:15-23)

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  • This question assumes that one who is not a serial killer is, somehow, better than one who is.  If we are to test the Bible, let us do so by testing it against itself.  The Bible states that “All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.”  This is to say that no one is perfect.  (a fact that I’m sure none of us will dispute)  If God’s standard for being with Him for eternity is perfection, then we all fall vastly short.  From this perspective, it would be like all of us trying to jump the Grand Canyon.  Some of us might jump further than others, but not one of us will even come close to making it and our destination will be the same.  “Accepting Jesus into your heart” is just a fancy way of saying that God has offered us His forgiveness by coming in human form (Jesus), living a life without sin, dying an unjust and agonizing criminal’s death He didn’t deserve, and rising again to show His power over death and that if we believe that, and place our faith in that action being God’s payment of our punishment by suffering in our place, then with the penalty of our sins paid, we have the opportunity to spend eternity with Him instead of suffering apart from Him.  All that said, we are no more deserving of God than a serial killer.  In our pride, we like to place ourselves on pedatals and think ourselves better than others but this is to ignore the fact that we have scars and flaws of our own and are we really so different from them?  Now this is not to say that there are not consequences for our actions.  A man who finds God while on death row will not evade death row because of it, but he will have heaven to look forward to.  In this way, God demonstrates that He is both perfectly loving and perfectly just.

  • @Murphy_Rants - ”I also find it sick that people believe we
    are born evil.”

    Religious or not, I’ve never had to stop and say “I need to be more of a jerk” or “I need to do more bad things.”  That seems to happen naturally.  Yet it usually is a struggle for us to be better people.  I think most of us, at one time or another, decided we need to treat our families better, or be nicer to people at work, or be more generous.  And we probably found it to be somewhat difficult.  When we have a bad attitude about someone or something and we want to change it, we can’t simply make a decision and be done with it.  It’s a struggle to become a better person.  It’s not that Christians believe we’re born as evil people who want to murder everyone we meet – it’s just that our natural inclination is to be self-serving.  If we fail to evaluate ourselves and make proactive decisions to care about other people, our default mode is selfishness.  I think it’s a pretty universal experience.

  • @Tallman - If sinning against the Holy Spirit were murder, and murder, therfore unforgivable, then in Matthew 5 where Jesus says that one who hates is guilty of murder would mean that any of us who has hated at any point in our life would stand unforgiven.  Since basically all of us have become angry and hated someone at some point in our lives, that would place us all in a very grim predicament.  I, therefore, submit that murder is not an unforgivable sin because that would have defeated the purpose for which Jesus went to the cross to begin with.

  • @radicalramblings - Good actions are still a result of free will whether committed by a Christian or not.  So the man chose to do good works. Since God is the author of goodness, the man had God in his heart.

  • @Lydia_Lynne - I realize you abstained from voicing your personal thoughts on the issue and I respect that.  The reson I am responding to this is in response to what the Roman Catholic church teaches and is for the benefit of anyone reading the comments here (to believe, ignore, respond to one way or the other, or not).  I won’t presume to make up another person’s mind on this issue.  I would like to point out that there were people such as the criminal on the cross that did not recieve baptism, communion, or last rites.  To be consistant, the only one of the four that is present is a recognition and admission to God and a reliance upon Him to forgive.  (perhaps not the confession some think of but it is a form of it all the same)  I do not say this to bash Catholics or to say that a person who is Catholic cannot be Christian as that would be shortsighted of me.  I am merely pointing out that only one of the four appears to be a genuine requirement for salvation.

  • I think God would like to be fair, but just by living in this world I’m sure everyone would agree that life is not fair.  But, I do believe that God is just.

    2 things from the Christian perspective:
    1) “But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the
    height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth
    not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but
    the LORD looketh on the heart.” 1 Sam 16:7
    2) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
    kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in
    heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have
    we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils?
    and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I
    profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work
    iniquity.  Matt 7:21-23

    Basically, we as people can’t judge who is “good” or “bad” at heart.  This is where faith and trust come in – if we believe that our God is a loving God, we believe that he will be just in who goes to heaven and who doesn’t.

  • @Legendairy - I’m not Catholic! lol  So you don’t have to worry about ‘bashing’ Catholics!  I just wrote that because that is what the Catholic Church believes.  Or at least that is what I was taught when I was forced to go as a child.  As far as the ‘criminal on the cross’, he went to Heaven because he was the Son of God.  He sort of got a free pass to Heaven for that one.  Again, this is what I was taught in Mass and Sunday School.  I’m not saying this is right or wrong because I have my own personal views on the subject (IE, I don’t believe in Heaven or Hell or sin) but because it is the view of the Catholic Church.  I’m sure the different denominations of Christianity have different views on the subject.  And that’s where it gets tricky.  People will disagree over it because the different denominations preach different answers to the same question.

  • Considering the premise is in a theological context, it is fair. It is the greatest reason for believing in God precisely because of this kind of fairness. Helping needy people is a good but the greatest good is aligning oneself with God in the way that God has made it available to people. Refusing or ignoring the greatest good is therefore the greatest sin. By the way, the pain and suffering of this life is also the gift of God. 

  • I never really think of it in terms of fair, so much as I do in terms or “right and wrong”. God has made it pretty easy for us to come back to Him. The only requirement is to live for Him. If God were TRULY fair, would anyone BUT Jesus make it to heaven? In all honesty, I don’t even think Job could answer yes. We all have our failing moments. So, I’m thankful God isn’t “fair”. Otherwise, I wouldn’t stand a chance at getting into heaven, as would no one else, really. Think about it. :) God knows what He’s doing… I’ll let Him handle the fairness of it all. :)

    <3, ~*Akarui Mitsukai*~

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Okay, so you’re saying that anyone who does good, has God in their heart, whether they know it or not?

  • You ask 2 questions.

    “Is God fair?”
    -According to which doctrine?

    And the latter it depends. Islamically we are defined by our final actions. Consider the example of Satan who refused to obey God’s command. Who knew and indeed knows of God’s forgiveness, its limitlessness in degree and kind, better than him? Yet he will not make it to heaven for he will no longer know to seek repentance and such–a lifetime of disobedience tends to have that effect. Conversely a good person can be better by consciously being pleasing to God, this cannot be done without knowledge of which and the heart for it. So if he lives this life as if it is the only one he has made something other than God his god and left himself bankrupt for the Hereafter. But in all cases what happens is the condition of ourselves is exposed in the end, if I lived my life following all the tenets of Islam only outwardly it may be I’ll die as if a non-Muslim outwardly. On the other hand is a hadith I’ll leave you with copy/pasted from a random site (but it’s essentially the same):

    ——

    There was a man who had heartlessly murdered ninety-nine people. Then, he felt remorse.

    He went to a learned man and told him about his past, explaining that he wished to repent, reform, and become a better person. “I wonder if Allah will pardon me?” he asked.

    For all his learning, the scholar was a man who had not been able to digest what he had learned. “You will not be pardoned;’ he said. “Then I may as well kill you, too,” said the other. And kill him he did.

    He then found another worthy individual and told him that he had killed a hundred people. “I wonder,” he said, “whether Allah will pardon me if I repent?” Being a truly wise man, he replied, “Of course you will be pardoned; repent at once. I have just one piece of advice for you: avoid the company of wicked people and mix with good people, for bad company leads one into sin:”

    The man expressed repentance and regret, weeping as he sincerely implored his Lord to pardon him. Then, turning his back on bad company, he set off to find a neighborhood where righteous people lived.

    On the way, his appointed hour arrived, and he died. The angels of punishment and of mercy both came to take away his soul. The angels of punishment said that as a sinful person he rightfully belonged to them, but the angels of mercy also claimed him, saying, “He repented and had resolved to become a good man. He was on his way to a place where righteous people live, but his appointed hour had come.” A great debate ensued, and Gabriel was sent as an arbitrator to settle this affair.

    After hearing both sides he gave this verdict: “Measure the ground. If the spot where he died is closer to the good people, then he belongs to the angels of mercy, but if it is nearer to the wicked people, he will be given to the angels of punishment.”

    They measured the ground. Because the man had just set out, he was still closer to the wicked. But because he was sincere in his repentance, the Lord moved the spot where he lay and brought it to just outside the city of the good people.

    That penitent servant was handed over to the angels of merry.

    ——

    a hadith on forgiveness:

    On the authority of Anas, who said, “I heard the Messenger of Allah (SAW) say:

    Allah the Exalted has said: ‘O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I would forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as great as the earth and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I would bring you forgiveness equal to it’.”

    (Recorded by Tirmithi, who said that it is a good and sound Hadith)

  • @radicalramblings - I think you are trying to trap me.  Jeffery Dahmer probably did some good but he was still wicked.  Wicked people can do good works.  But this post is about good people being sent to hell just because they didn’t formally receive JEEEEzuuSSS into their hearts.

  • @HappyLemming - When we (Christians) are told that we have a just God (by scriptual authority) then that is what we are to believe. Regardless of where a person may be brought up, man kind was still created to worship God. You have to remember that Christians believe that human kind fell away from God and it is on us (not God, nor chance) to come back to him… I am a Christian by choice, not chance. It may have been an easier decision for me than if I lived in Qatar, but I had to come to this conclusion myself. And for those in place like Qatar, that is why we have missionaries, so that all may have a chance to know God.

    God is fair… but not everyone knows the rules to the game.

  • First of all seeing all these nimrod answers from people makes me sad. (the ones that slander GOD AND ACT LIKE GOD ISNT REAL AND STUPID) First off Dan, Sin is Sin no sin is different than the other. we all sin and if you read the word “For God so loved the WORLD that he gave his one and only SON THAT WHOEVER (serial killer rapist porno man etc etc you name it) SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. you call yourself a christian dan? this is not a loving post when people are slandering the name of God in your posts. this is what makes me very mad and not want to read your topics…

  • who the fuck knows.  let’s just admit no one knows and move on.  

  • @LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - I’m not trying to trap you; I’m trying to figure out what point you were actually trying to make – because you seem to be arguing on the one hand that the person in the post actually was a Christian even though the narrative says he wasn’t, because he did good things.  Then on the other you’re trying to say that people who aren’t Christians do good things, too.  So which is it, actually?

  • @polishswede - this is an atheist remark. Just being a good person will not get you into heaven. Christ will Good day,.

  • My belief of God and such I guess is different than a lot of what is taught as Catholic, and stuff… but… as much as I want to believe God sends all those sickos and psychos to burn in hellfire forever, I don’t believe God does that.

    I also do not believe you have to believe in God to be able to go to Heaven, and avoid hell. I also believe Hell, is likely what we’re on/in now… Earth.

    The God I believe in is ever-loving, and allows free will, though may intervene at times. I believe that part of that free will is the fact that we’re allowed to believe whatever we want to. I do not believe you go to hell if you do not believe in God. I find that silly.

  • inorder to understand and really accept god’s teachings, we have to detach from our humanistic way of thinking. Its called faith.

    confusing yes, gratifying? perhaps.

    eh.

  • Admittedly I only looked at the first and last page, but I find it amusing that in those two pages I saw not “yes”s, just “no”s and people skirting around the question.

    On a side note, this is one of the questions that brought me to atheism.

  • @AmeliaHart - I know that there is one sin that cannot be forgiven and that’s blasphemy against the holy spirit. You *cannot* be forgiven for that one.

  • @ShimmerBodyCream - LOl Shimmer you made me smile with this ridiculous blog entry comment! I love you :D

  • @Da__Vinci - AMEN!!!!

  • @autumnmarie - but you also have to know Hell is Seperation from god and he was very clear in the bible in this… and read John 14:6 God is very clear in his Word…so you dont believe that but thats the truth. sister “I am the way the truth and the life No one comes through the father except through me” sorry the only way to heaven is through christ you dont believe in him you dont go to heaven….PS you are silly! :P

  • since heaven and hell are religious beliefs, it wouldn’t necessarily apply to the person who helps the poor if he wasn’t one to believe in God. In the case that he does believe in God, he’d have no reason to go to hell if he hasn’t committed any sins… but in answering your question, no it isn’t fair. 

  • You know I am not a Bible Scholar, or anything of that nature. I am however a student or all things. So let me ask this. A women knew her child is being raped and molested and does nothing to help her, but kills her soul her spirit on the inside. When people try to help the child, she hides it, stating “God forgave me.” The daughter now of mature age seeks justice but her family says to her “Let God handle it, you have to forgive her.” And the mother states “God has forgiven me.” So does God condone this or the murder who killed the 17 people? No, God says he holds Justice in his hands. Many people that commit these types of crimes are in fact sinners and find Christ and accpet him into their heart while in prison and God does forgive them. God will let them go into heaven, but not the way you think. Their spirit will, their body will lay in rot until the second coming of Christ. So, that is where mercey comes in. The victims and their families do have to work out their own forgiveness with the person or persons that wronged them, but the person who comitted the crime has to deal with what God put in place for justice. Just because you do not believe something does not mean its not there. You can give all you have away and not have Christ in you and go to hell your spirit can. That might be mean but its written. The story brought up to many factors to be considered here. That is all I have to say on the matter. Thanks for reading.

  • *clap

    That’s  a huge problem with me and christianity. Those girls who party and bitch all day someday deserve heaven more then ghandi.

  • The Bible states that sin is sin, to God, committing murder is the same as stealing a candy bar from the grocery store. And everyone sins, everyone has told a small lie or committed some kind of crime at one time or another. So yes, you can live all your life doing good works and helping people and saving lives, but if you do not repent of your sins (no matter how big or small in YOUR eyes, but all the same in God’s eyes) and accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour, then you will not be saved. That is why someone who has committed 17 murders still has the chance to go to Heaven. If he is genuinely sorry about his actions and truly wants to accept Christ then he will be accepted into Heaven. But only God can see his heart to know if he is truly sorry.

  • Paul in the bible killed many Christians he was present at the stoning of Stephen. We was transformed, made new and became on of the greatest profits of the bible. To answer your question its yes. Murder in Gods eyes is sin it is no greater then lieing. Sin is sin and it all seperates us from God. Accepting Jesus Christ in to our lives as our Lord and Savior beliving that he paid the price for our sins and changing your way of life. Will get anybody into heaven from a serial killer to the Sunday school teacher. We ALL the sinned and have fallen short of the glory of GOD.   

  • honestly, i don’t think this question CAN be answered.  (except with mere opinion.)  the very concept of fairness is human-created and is engaged differently from human to human, religious sect to religious sect.  if god is omnipotent–which is certainly one of the most known attributes–then our determination of fairness cannot even be applied to him, as something that is all powerful is not subject to our whimsical perspectives of what is or is not fair.

    as for my opinion, however, i would say it is not GOD who is unfair, but religion, itself, which makes him out to be unfair.  so many religious sects focus on the laws set down in the old testament (10 commandments) and neglect the fact that jesus christ’s teachings in the new testament carve out a new path through his grace.  essentially, the old testament preached that one’s acts cannot get him or her into heaven, and the new testament proclaimed that one’s acts do not keep him out of heaven.  god knows the heart; actions matter very little.

  • No, God isn’t fair. If He was, we would all go to hell because we’ve all sinned. Instead, he’s way beyond fair because He offers us grace, no matter what we’ve done. Who am I to say that I’m better than a serial killer? If I had been raised in their family and had their brain, I might be doing the same thing. The standard is not whether I’m better than other people. It’s whether I’m perfect the way Jesus was when He walked on earth. By that standard, the only real standard, we all fall impossibly short.

    We are all flawed, and we all sin. The grace of Jesus Christ, God’s Son, means that we don’t have to get the fair deal, eternal death. Instead, we are offered the grace deal, eternal life, if we will accept what He did for us.

  • I don’t think God is fair. I think God is just.  Fair has no place in discussions of grace…that’s exactly why we call it grace. 

  • the second goes to limbo idiot. a righteous man who does not follow God, for whatever reason, will not go to hell but end up in limbo D:< and they will play to the song of limbo rock and say, “how low can you go”

    a guy who commits murder and truly repents, meaning he accepts what he done is unquestionably wrong thus also accepting the earthly consequences of his actions. but when he dies, he will be evaluated by the Archangel Micheal, then appear before St. Peter and be judged by God.The thing is though murder is listed as a commandment pepole should not do. So whether or not the murderer truly repents, is up to God to be the judge. and if he does, the yes, he goes to heaven.

    @cthundathil - if the mother knows her daughter is being abused and does nothing, but believes God has forgiven her, she will go to hell. She cannot assume God has forgiven her. She never asked for his forgiveness. and if she did,  it would mean she would not allow whatever wrong doing she is concious or aware of to continue. She should go to the authorities to seek help to prevent the abuse, and if they cannot help she should actively stop it. if it causes her to die in the process, or kill some one in the process, she will still be saved, as long as it was not premaditated muder.

  • No, God is not fair. If he was fair, the majority of us who call ourselves Christians would end up in hell.

    @AmeliaHart - you make an excellent point!

  • Another reason I think most religion is a pile of crap.

  • Dan, you’ve skewed this post into error.

    It’s true that 1 John 1:9 says we can be forgiven if we confess our sins, but as was rightly noted by others, repentance is also necessary, evidenced by other passages — in particular, Acts 2:38 says repentance and baptism are necessary for the remission of sins. Confession isn’t mentioned there, but that doesn’t mean it’s not required, since it is mentioned elsewhere.

    Next, I would like to ask you where the practice of “asking Jesus into your heart” for salvation is found in the Bible … cuz I can’t find it. Notably, 1 Peter 3:21 says quite clearly that baptism is what saves. So the serial killer would have to be baptized, but he would have to repent as well, which means turning away from his sin to commit it no more.

    Lastly, human ideas of “fairness” don’t really matter. God is just.

  • Of course God isn’t fair.  It’s called the book of Job.

  • @Titus3_5 - Let me guess…free will right? So if I were to see you being harmed in any way, I should respect the free will of the person harming you and not try to save you at all.

    I’m so glad god respects the free will of rapists and murderers.

  • it’s not the amount of sin that matters. it’s the fact that there is sin. sin cannot be let into Heaven. period. everyone sins. therefore, the “good” person who spends his life giving to the poor needs Jesus just as much as the man who has murdered 17 people.

  • “Good and Bad” are standards we use to judge others–not God.

    In God’s eyes we’re all sinners; and we are damned to hell because of sin. The fact of the matter is that SIN is SIN. Lying isn’t worse than murder; adultery isn’t less than stealing. So, even though, in our eyes, this person did horrible things to 17 people and took their life from them, in God’s eye’s it’d be the same as if I lied about taking some paper clips from work. 
    If someone is repentant–truly repentant, then they will be forgiven. That is the beauty in all of this, correct?   
    God may or may not be fair [according to our standards] but He is God. He is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. He is everything. 

  • I’m switching you from earth to air.  sorry bout that! lol

  • The flaw in the common conception of “good” people and “bad” people is that most people think of it as a scale: if your good outweighs the bad, you are a good person; if your bad outweighs the good, you are a bad person. It would then follow that a serial killer is a bad person and a philanthropist and humanitarian is a good person.

    When Scripture says mankind is born sinful, and therefore bad, it does not mean our bad is 90% or 75% or even 51%. It means that the presence of sin, any at all, separates us from God, who is perfect and sinless. The illustration of a scale is a faulty one. Think of it this way:

    If I give you a scoop of ice cream, and I tell you that 25% of the ice cream is human feces, are you going to eat it? Is it still acceptable since the good outweighs the bad 3-to-1? What if I gave you a glass of water, and I told you that 5% of it was a deadly neurotoxin that I mixed in. Would it be safe to drink?

    Christ’s sacrifice was for all because no one besides Christ himself could live a perfect, blameless life. Some of us have done 75% bad things and 25% good things. Some of us have done 90% good things and 10% bad things. But each of us has fallen short of perfection and is therefore “contaminated,” so to speak. Therefore, we are all 100% separated from God. That is why a philanthropist/humanitarian needs Christ as much as a serial killer. Salvation is not about what we have done. If it was, no one would be saved. It’s about what Christ did for us.

  • @pieceustogether - This rocks! Thanks for putting it so well. 

  • We’re not on the same playing field as God so we don’t have the perspective to measure what is fair concerning Him.

  • This is just an assumption that religious convention has created.  We can never erase our past.  Confession is just a comforting mechanism to avoid becoming an Existentialist and facing the scary truth that we really DON”T KNOW what will happen after death at all,  And to give people the illusion that we have some type of control and “God” will save you from everlasting torment.

    Confession was created by the religious masters to give people “rules” and something to strive for,  because the assumption was that people were bad by nature.

    Today, most intelligent people know better.

    This whole idea is ridiculous.  No one speaks for God…

  • “Good” and “fair” are not the issue.  What matters is that if a person accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior, they are going to heaven.  You can be the best person in the world but if you haven’t accepted Jesus as your Savior, you’re not going to heaven.  The Bible is very, very clear about that.  Good works don’t get you into heaven!

  • It’s not up to me to question God’s fairness.  Personally, as long as his grace extends to me, I don’t care who else gets it.  I’m sure God has plenty of room for us all.

  • Bible believing Christians will not say that God is fair, unless they are confusing fairness with grace.  If God was only fair, everybody would go to hell, because everybody has chosen, at some point, to try to live apart from God.  Instead, God is merciful and full of grace, so he gives people who trust him much, much more than they deserve. 

    “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justifiedby his grace as a gift,through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom Godput forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.”

     - Romans 3:23-26

  • @XbabyK - You don’t care who else gets the grace of God?  That doesn’t sound like a mindset Jesus would agree with at all.  When you recieve the grace of God, you recieve the mind of Christ.  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%202&version=ESV.  And Christ wants his name to be glorified everywhere.  http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2028&version=NIV Biblically, it seems like you haven’t yet recieved the grace of God.

  • God is fair-ly imaginary. 

  • These are portions of some of the comments:

    “I’m a good person but….”
    “doesn’t seem quite right”
    “man….already had Jesus in his heart”
    “only asking for forgiveness because”
    ” So those who do not attest to a faith in Jesus in
    words, but attests in actions means their acts are more than simple goodness”
    “god that people create in their head”
    “Helping the poor is useless unless for the glory of God”

    The “doesn’t seem quite right” one speaks to me….well, they all do….

  • @causemetokneel - i’m sure that poor person being helped would beg to differ.  they were given a gift of generosity, whether the giver did it with god’s glory in mind or just the poor person’s well-being in mind.

  • @Lydia_Lynne - Oh, I am glad to see you point out later that you are not Catholic. I am, a cradle Catholic in fact. What you stated as Church teaching on salvation is sooooooooooo incorrect it would take an entire post to clear it all up. Please, please, please do not write about the teachings of the Church when you don’t know them. Please!!!

  • If God was fair, we would all be going to hell.

  • The serial killer in this scenario may not even GO to heaven. Jesus specifically said that you must be born again to inherit the kingdom of God. John 3:3-6

    If you aren’t following God, then why go to heaven? I mean, that’s where he lives. If you don’t repent of your ways, and decide to keep doing your own thing, of course you’re going to hell.

    I’m not trying to be mean. If you deny him daily, then why would He accept you into His kingdom? I’m a Christian, and I’m far from perfect. But I try my best to repent and follow his ways. And I’m still a sinner, but I’m not DEAD to sin (meaning, I do not have a desire to sin..but I still do….as hard as I try NOT to.)

    God knows our heart. And he determines if our heart was willing to follow him or not to follow him. You can live your life full of sin….but at the end, is it really worth it?

  • funny. people say we are born evil….. then god is responsible for making us that way. an evil infant? please….. god judges based on the heart of every individual. he also gave us a book that if read on the surface – well it sounds like black and white. but he included many hidden wisdoms in the bible and one of those wisdoms is that we are supposed to seek out our OWN (individual) salvation. since that is true, then there really is only one rule. we are to love. and to love in the way jesus did requires a supernatural ability only he can give. sure, there are many good people in the world. if they worship a rock or the sun, i am no one to say they are going to hell. i have enough just keeping my ownself true.

  • After the mocking post about the person who thought had faked their death, you really angered me…but the responses to this have made me smile…so I consider you half redeemed…as if it matters…

    This is a bit of cliche question, but it is amazing the response you get from it…If you say “Yes” to this question then you are saying morals do not matter or are skewed but you confirm your faith or strict definition of such. If you say “No” then you say moral code matters and that there is a definite right or wrong…

  • @Legendairy - We don’t know that the thief was never baptized, for starters. Christ’s followers had been baptizing people for years before Calvary, not to mention the fact that Christ would have most likely recognized the thief as being under Old Testament law where baptism was not required. The thief of the cross, and I will use this as a response to @ShamelesslyRed - too, is what lawyers refer to when they say “hard cases make bad law”. It is an exceptional circumstance. Christ granted the thief Paradise because…He is God and with Him all things are possible. We need to be careful about taking one example in Scripture and holding it up as a definitive answer to a big issue. Baptism is required for salvation, but that is a Christian baptism (not just Catholic) and can include Baptism by desire (wanting to know God but being unable to receive the Sacrament…which most certainly could have applied to the case of the thief) or baptism by blood (martyrs). What I believe is that grace is a free gift. What do we have to do to get a gift, though? We have to accept it! We have to cooperate with the gift giver in some way…a gift cannot be forced upon us. What non-Catholics often believe to be us believing in a “works based salvation” is simply believing that we have to cooperate with God’s plan for us. 

  • @rollingsquarz - Seriously, of all the commenters here, you feel the need to pick on me?  First of all, who are you to say if I have or have not received the grace of God?  Do you even know what that means, before you start determining who has or has not received it?  God has forgiven me, God has blessed me, God blesses me every day.  Just because you don’t think I’m a perfect Christian in my attitude towards others has absolutely no relevance to whether or not I have received the grace of God.

    What does it matter anyway, if I don’t care who receives it or not?  Would you rather hear that I think that I am so much better than everyone else that I can sit here and say who should or should not be forgiven?  It’s as if a billionaire was passing out college scholarships and he was gracious enough to give one to me.  I don’t care if he chooses to give one to the prostitute on the street corner or the bratty kids next door.  It’s his money and he can do what he pleases, and if he finds them deserving, then it’s not up to me to argue with that.  Maybe it’s a little self serving on my part to say that I was blessed so it doesn’t matter who else is blessed but I never said I was perfect.  At any rate, it’s better than some others here who are saying it’s not fair or right for certain people to be forgiven.

  • A person does not have to ask God into his heart. God is and always was there. All a person has to do as accept Jesus as his savior. In God’s eyes all sins are equal because at the end of the day, everyone does things God forbids. As human’s we cannot fathom God’s grace and power, but in God’s eyes a murderer is no worse than an adulterer. Consider this, would a parent forgive their child for lying if the child is sorry? Yes. Likewise, most parents will still love their child even if he grows up to be a murderer. Its not what you do, but how you feel about it. And anyone willing to ask God’s forgiveness and accept Jesus as his savior deserves heaven.

  • @Megan@revelife -    I will conceed the point that we do not know the history of the thief.  It would be reasonable to assume that he had not, but it is true that we cannot say for certain.  I will certainly grant you that.  Well said.  My point was not to say anything against Catholicism by any stretch, but merely to point out that the use of 4 Sacraments as a means of Salvation is not consistant with what the Bible says (a point you appear to agree with based on your comment)

       Having spoken with a number of Catholics, I would never try to fit them all into a single box.  (besides, there are too many and you’de have to get a REALLY big box hehe)  I have not heard of “baptism by desire”.  To me, it seems (and this is just my perception on it) no different than to say that baptism is not a prerequisite of salvation.  Naturally, baptism should be something we want to do… but again, this is semantics as the end result of what you are saying and what I say appear to be the same.  Also, as I stated above, I would never make the claim of Catholics not being Christians.  Certainly many are not, but one can say that of those who fall under any denominational label.  As you said, it is about the acceptance of God’s gift of forgiveness of our sins that grants us a relationship with Him and not some system of works.  In this, I wholeheartedly agree even if some of the semantics in how I describe it might be different.

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  • There is no God and there is no heaven, so don’t worry too much about trying to answer this question.

  • There is none good, no not one.

    On the day that I can know everything, including every possible case scenario, when I can know the thought and intent of every human, exactly why they did everything they did; When I can see to the very ends of time and make all laws of physics bend to my whim; When I can speak an entire universe into existence; On that day, I should be on equal footing and therefore in a position to judge the decisions of God. Since I have no expectation of ever achieving such, I must go by my own personal experience with Him. I have had more blessings than I deserve, and been given more than I could have ever done without Him. So, from this perspective, no, He is not fair. But He is good, loving and generous.

  • HA! People still believe in god(s). xD

  • This question “is God fair” is a common question that I hear all the time. My answer to that and your quandary is a resounding “Yes”. See, God’s grace isn’t fair, not one bit. The reason being is that by God’s standard, ALL of us deserve hell. Romans 3:23 states that “all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God” which simply stated means that even at our best we’re filthy with sin in God’s sight. Isaiah 64:6 states this very clearly “But we are all like an unclean thing, and all of our righteousness are like filty rags” (“filthy” meaning period rags for women to use). So the true irony of this question is that yes, God isn’t being fair because when He sent Jesus to die on the cross for us, we were justified in His sight. Our sin had to be punished because God is perfect and perfectly just, and when Christ died for us, He ultimately saved EVERYONE from hell should they accept Him into their heart through word and deed (not saying you have to earn your salvation but that good works are the by-product of truly living for Christ). See, by God’s standard, there are no “good people” on this planet because were all guilty of sin. And I can’t stress this next point enough, you can’t just say a prayer like “Oh God, I’m sorry for my sins and please let me in heaven” and then go and live any way you want. No, if a murderer asks Christ into his heart and doesn’t change at all then obviously he wasn’t saved because if someone truly accepts Christ into their heart, then you will see huge changes in their life. So all of this sums to this point, God is perfectly fair and because He is perfectly fair, sinners must be punished but through Christs sacrifice, we can be saved from hell.

  • actually that statement says nothing about where you will go that i can see

  • God’s grace …… find the definition for it.

  • @Murphy_Rants - You made me giddier than a kid in a candy store.

  • @Crossed_Out_Name - ^_^

  • I have actually discussed this sort of thing with my priest. Of course not everyone is going to accept Jesus into their hearts in the way Christians believe he should be accepted but that doesn’t mean they will go to Hell. My priest explained that to go to Heaven, a person must live a godly life. So if a person were to do as you say, help the poor frequently, they may go to Heaven without directly accepting Jesus. As several people have previously stated, an act of God such as that would mean that Jesus is already in your heart to allow for you to do such good. Now if the serial killer were to repent, he would most likely go to Heaven if he realized what he did was wrong and would never do that again. However, I am Catholic and we believe there is a place before going to Heaven where people make up for the wrong things they do while on earth, Purgatory. Of course it is a little more complex than that and I am not good at explaining it but that is the general idea as I have understood it.

  • God doesn’t “send” people anywhere. The logic is simple: If we admit that we are a sinner, believe Christ died on the cross and rose 3 days later, then ask Him into our heart, we are going to heaven. It’s a promise. But if we choose to ignore God and live life the way we choose, then the punishment is hell. Just because I am a Christian doesn’t mean I understand all of that, or am even able to wrap my mind around every concept of the Bible – I just have faith. I think of faith like car insurance – Why do you have it? In case you were to get in an accident, you would be covered. But if you didn’t have it, you would suffer the consequences. Faith is the same way. Say I live my entire life believing in God and professing Christianity and then when I die, coming to find out none of it exists. What did I lose? But say that I am right, where does that leave those who have not accepted Christ? Just some thoughts. I’m not here to judge or criticize any opinions – just chat it up with some fellow Xangans :)

  • god doesnt have to be fair. he is god he rules all things. he isnt human so he doesnt need the feeling to be fair

  • Scientology eliminates the stress of wondering where you soul is gonna go after we die. Karma is so real. A serial killer Kills 17 people and  he gets  life in Prison, that’s his Karma, thats what he gets. People are people, and that’s the problem with religion, it separates people. I thought God was a loving God and that every single one of us Humans created by  God no matter how Evil or Good, is loved the same.  Why would he not go to Heaven if he repents? At least he is sorry for what he did. Some A$$holes never admit that they are wrong.

  • @brickbyBORINGbrick - You’re pretty much citing Pascal’s Wager. Completely flawed. It doesn’t take into account that every other religion has a hell if you do not worship their god, and preaches that their god is the only god and the only way to heaven is through him. So you only get into heaven if you happen to have chosen the “right” god. Otherwise, you’re [allegedly] destined for hell just like the rest of us – that’s what you have to lose.

    I hope your insurance policy is more sound than your logic.

  • no.

  • Nope. Which is why I don’t believe in that. I’m not a religious person at all. BUT, if I turn out to be wrong, I would think god would welcome all the people that were good, regardless of their religion or lack thereof.
    Besides, every religion thinks that they are the right one, and they all pretty much think that everyone outside of their religion is going to hell. Let’s hope they aren’t right. Or else pretty much everyone is screwed if the whole god thing turns out to be true.

  • i really don’t know all the workings and explanations about Christianity, but just what you say here doesn’t sound fair. there are a lot of things i don’t like about Christianity, and this is one of them.

  • Personally, I’m content to leave it up to the Infinite Being to judge what’s fair.  I’m just not in His league. 

  • no.

  • “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” -Romans 3:23

    ALL have sinned.

    “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” -Romans 6:23

    Therefore, ALL of us deserve hell, no matter how little we sin or how much we do good works.
    “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not of your own doing; it is the gift of God, not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” -Ephesians 2:8
    The free gift of God is eternal life, through faith.
    If you consider the truth that ALL have sinned and deserve hell, then you would see why God is more than fair. He is merciful and full of grace, that He would send His one and only Son as atonement for our sins, to give us eternal life.
    “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.” -John 3:16

  • You classified a “good person” as someone who helps the poor and gives everything he has away. What if the “good person” has evil intentions behind his helping of the poor? What if he doing it for selfish reasons, or secretly holds hate in his heart? The only reason actions speak louder than words is because people cannot read each other’s thoughts. What if the person who killed 17 people had spent his entire life as a “good person” up to that point? What about a doctor who kills 50 people through assisted suicide to put them out of their misery?

    The point is, nothing is black and white, a person’s actions do not always match his heart, and no one is perfect. It is impossible to categorize one person as “good” and another as “bad”, which is why all Christianity asks is that people accept Jesus as their savior.

  • The bible says God will judge each and everyone of us, showing every single thing we did to everybody He will judge us and decide what to do. Heres the thing, if you were giving to poor and giving everything away AND u heard about God but didnt accept him, then you have a problem, since YOU DIDNT WANT HIM IN YOUR LIFE. Got me? However, if you were giving to poor and giving away and you never heard of God then God knows what to do since you never heard of him DUH! However chances are if you are giving to poor and all that good stuff, you’ve heard of God, you just choose NOT to let him into your life. Thank you, God Bless.

  • @causemetokneel - I’m pretty sure the poor don’t think the help they’re getting is useless. Oh, and also? Good. Adjective. “Being positive or desirable in nature; not bad or poor:” No notice of the word “God.” I think you need to check your definition of “Definition.”

    I think the whole concept is completely unfair, and I hate the way the Christian God is painted. He really does sound, as one poster put it, like “an attention starved school girl.”  Although I do like the point of view that “some people who do good already have Jesus in their hearts.” Those Christians are the ones I like, the ones who actually are Christlike, as opposed to those who preach damnation. 

  • You’re using “Christianity” in way too general of terms here, seeing as there are some 30,000+ different forms of Christianity in the United States alone, and considering that, at least in my mind, only Catholicism and a select few others prominently display confessionals as an integral part of worship.

    Besides that, many “Christians” misrepresent God in the first place, claiming that he would send people to a fiery pit of eternal torment for an eternity as punishment for 80, 90, 100 years tops of a live time of grotesque sins, when Ecclesiastes 9:5 clearly states that the living are conscious that they will die, but that the dead are conscious of nothing at all.

  • No one here is the Judge.

    We are not Creator, so stop thinking as if we are.

    Ask ourselves….what have we done with our own life with Jesus Christ?

  • Is it fair to make someone come into your home who never indicated that they wanted to be there?  You don’t earn an invitation, it’s already been extended.  If you don’t accept the invitation, that isn’t God being unfair, that is you turning God down.

  • God is fair and just in all things. It’s called the sovereignty of God. The man who was a serial killer and turn’s his life around by accepting Christ as his Lord and Savior is saved. The man who always is doing good and helping the poor is Definitiely not doing it out of a good heart. I can guarantee it. All those people who seem to be doing good are not, unless they have accepted Christ as their Savior. True goodness only comes through the saving power of Jesus Christ. All other deeds are fallen and sinful. It is absolutely “fair”, if God will it, to send a seemingly good person to hell and a really good person (the serial killer who accept Christ) to heaven. When God looks at the two men he sees Serial Killer: A man who was once evil and a murderer who through the power of the Gospel had his life turned around and is now rejoicing and praising my name. 

    Good Man: a man who only did good works with out the true heart of a Christian. All of his acts of “goodness” were flawed and corrupt for he did not know me. That is why God is fair in sending a good person to Hell and a SAVED person to Heaven. It’s a no brainer!

  • @hidden_fairytale - If God was absolutely Fair and Just and He had NO MERCY AT ALL. Then we would all go to Hell, for that is what we deserve. I’m very happy that God is a Just God and is a Merciful God, that’s the beauty of the gospel. You don’t deserve to even have the slightest chance to get to Heaven, yet God gives you a chance, through his one and only Son, Jesus Christ, whom he put to death on the cross for YOUR sins. This is something I love about the Gospel. 

  • @rebekah1191 - God is fair and just. Says in the Bible, simply. The Bible is great because it is very Simple about many things. Such as the fact that God is a Fair and Just God. 

  • @theBFD_with_elfears - THere is no such thing as Purgatory, a safety net. Why would God gives us this safety net where we can party all thru this life, die, go to the neutral ground, Purgatory, where we can work a little and then get to Heaven. ? The idea of purgatory was added to the bible from some scrolls the found somewhere. I’m not sure what they were called. I feel bad for catholics. Their religion is so confusing!

  • @they_call_me_steffyjean - God is totally FAIR! He is what….GOD. A God is fair and just in all he does. Who are we to say that he is not fair? God is the one who changes you. He instills into you the holy spirit and a want to change your heart and accept Christ. You alone can not accept Christ, only through the power and will of God does this happen. 

  • How can god be fair if he doesn’t exist? :D

  • No it isn’t. And that points out one of the major hypocrisies in the sham belief system of christianity. It is absolutely appalling to tell people that their actions matter less than their imaginary friend. What you do on this earth is what is important, not the pact you made in your head with an entity that doesn’t exist.

  • Even that person who does good all his life is essentially evil. Any man, woman, or child who “accepts god/jesus into his heart” is still essentially evil. so really, either way you put it, both sides are pretty equal, some people just act on the evil while others fight it and do good things with their life.
    But, the bible also says that god is love, and without god there is no love, so really anyone who does not choose to believe in god is uncapable of love.
    Personally, i don’t believe in that because i choose to believe in science, something that can actually be proved. But really, does it matter whether you go to heaven or hell? who even knows if they exist? i would rather go to hell, i think it would be cooler. and it would have a shitload of amazing people in it.

  • @crossID437 - what you just said, doesnt make any sense.
    and you kinda sound like a crazy person who has let an alien intrude his mind with thoughts.

  • Well, the real message of the Bible….really knowing God….does sound really crazy. I thought over Christians were the craziest people on the face of the Earth and that were so excited about nothing, that is until I became a Christian. Then i understood the importance of God’s word and love. Eh….no alien has intruded my mind…:)

  • @crossID437 - Yes Catholicism can be confusing to those who have not grown up with it their whole lives. Also, the Bible is meant for interpretation. Besides how can you understand this post when it is talking about repenting if you are not Catholic? Anyone who is not Catholic seems to not understand the idea of repenting. So I wonder how some of this can make sense to you.

  • Its simply because I am a Christian. More specifically, protestant. I am not Catholic…but a Christian….even though many believe that they are both the same. They are not. I personally do not consider Catholics true Christians due to their confusing doctrine and cult-like behaviors. 

  • Hmm… needed a few more top blogs, did we?

  • if the killer has really totally changed in his heart and asked God into his heart then it is fair. and a “good person” is an opinion anyways. good is an opinion

  • @crossID437 - well said yo. lol i just wish there were more people who believed in God and the Bible. Cuz i def do :)

  • “All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.” (Isaiah 64:6)
    “That if you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is LORD,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.” (Romans 10:9-10)

  • @XbabyK - Okay, you’re not saying that you don’t care if other people get to know God, you DO care about that, you are just saying that you don’t feel like you need to have any say in who gets to know Him and who doesn’t.  That makes perfect sense to me. It was my misunderstanding; I thought you were saying you didn’t care if people got to know God, which doesn’t line up with anything Biblical.  Sorry I upset you.

  • @rollingsquarz - It’s okay, not really upset per se…. just wondering why you were picking at my comment when I hadn’t really said anything that you were thinking I said.  =)

  • Shitstorm of butthurt atheists all up in here.

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  • It’s not for us to decide.

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