May 30, 2010
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Tattooing a 7-Year-Old
A tattoo artist and a father are facing life in prison for tattooing a 7-year-old boy.
(This is not the tattoo artist or the 7-year-old boy).
The tattoo artist said he did not think there was anything wrong with tattooing a minor if he had the parent’s permission.
The tattoo is only a “quarter-sized dog paw” and was placed on the hip of the young boy. Here is the link: Link
Do you think the father and tattoo artist deserve life in prison for giving a 7-year-old boy a tattoo?
Comments (145)
No. The tattoo artist did nothing wrong.
What? No.
Thats just wrong. he’s too young. he may regret it. However, it was the parents mistake, not the tattoo artists. Prison? No.
He didn’t do anything wrong.
After reading the article, HECK YES THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THAT! It was a gang sign!! The youngest anyone should ever get tattooed should be like 15 or 16. Who would let a child get a tattoo let alone force they’re child to get a tattoo? People drive me crazy.
no!?! wtf?!
Depends on whether the kid actually wanted it or not, and that seems to be a bit fuzzy from the article. But either way, I think life in prison is a bit ridiculous.
@Kiwi7534 - Uh… it was a dog paw. My middle school’s mascot was a bulldog, and we had dog paws EVERYWHERE. Just because it’s also a gang symbol doesn’t mean anything.
No, but I think a simple injunction is in order to prevent the tattoo. We pierce the ears of little girls. I don’t know of any laws against body jewelry for children even though it sounds very questionable. A small tattoo does not seem that bad, but I question making a child do that.
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@SerenaDante - it does mean something when it’s a gang member (the tattoo artist) printing HIS gang symbol on a 7 year old, methinks. it wasn’t just some random “oh by the way, a gang happens to have this symbol” thing…
okay, i think you guys need to actually read the article, considering the tattoo was tattooed by a GANG member and the symbol is their GANG symbol. which makes it a completely different story! *stern look at thetheologianscafe*
children of 7 are definitely too young for gang symbols of any sort.
also even though they FACE life in prison, there’s no way they’ll actually get life on that. I think it’s comparable to child abuse.
idgaf if my son pestered the living hell out of me, he would not have a damn tattoo at 7 years old!! and a gang sign? WTF is wrong with these parents??? “well son, since you’ve been bugging me, of course i’ll let you get a gang sign tattooed on you.” fucking idiot should get life in prison. whether his son asked or not.
@ScarletMoth - And what if the child wanted that particular symbol? Furthermore, what if an adult came to that tattoo artist and wanted that particular symbol? I’m sure many do. Would there be such a huge issue then?
Life in prison? Funny how you can get just a few years and some community service for sexually abusing a little boy, but you can get a life sentence for giving them a tattoo? Not saying that it isn’t wrong to tattoo someone that young, it is, but our judicial system is seriously fucked up.
@SerenaDante - I never said that anyone deserved to go to prison i simply said that there was a big problem with an 7 year old getting a tattoo. It may have been just a paw, but it was intended as a gang sign. Why would anyone let an 7 year old get a tattoo anyways?
Wrong to do YES but against the law I don’t think so
@Kiwi7534 - The part about prison was not directed at you. That’s probably why your name didn’t pop until after it. As far as it being intended as a gang sign, you don’t know that. It could have been the kid’s choice. Now, I’m not saying it’s intelligent to let an 8 year old get a tattoo. Personally, I don’t think it is. But at the same time, I can see why the parent allowed it. Some children want iPods and ponies. Others want tattoos. Maybe he thought he was actually being a good parent by providing what his child wanted.
@SerenaDante - Because having a gang symbol tattooed on you has a real association with being in that gang. it’s not just a little ladybug or a toy truck getting tattooed on that kid. Do you really believe a child of 7 has the mental capacity to decide whether or not to associate themselves with a gang and everything that entails? At that age, a gang could seem “cool” to be in, but in reality gangs are about hurting people, killing people, and drugs. There are no child friendly gangs in America. Idk. I guess if you disagree I can’t really argue with your interpretation of that, I just really don’t see how it could be appropriate for a gang member to tattoo a little kid with his gang symbol. I think it’s better for the child’s welfare if they DON’T associate with gangs.
Hmm I’m not sure what to think other than I bet the kid is probably going to regret getting that done…
@SerenaDante - *to add to that, if it’s an adult, it’s not really great, but at least if you’re 18+ years old you have a firm concept of what a gang is and what associating with one entails.
I have a problem with any minor getting a tattoo, but the penalty is far too severe in this case.
@ScarletMoth - Uh, you’re missing the part where the child could have decided he wanted a paw tattoo without any knowledge of it being a gang sign. You know, like, because maybe he saw a dog or something?
If the tattoo artist forced the child to be tattooed against his will, with ANY symbol, I would be against that. But even if the tattoo artist suggested the symbol, I see no issue with it. It’s just a dog paw. That a particular gang decided upon it as their symbol makes it no more or less demonic than it being the symbol of my middle school’s mascot.
It’s a GANG TATTOO! It’s not like the father had a heart tattooed on his kid, they tattooed him with their effing gang symbol to intentionally affiliate him with a gang. They both deserve some hard time
@SerenaDante - Even if the child didn’t understand exactly what the paw symbolized, (He just wanted to be like his dad right?) the father defiantly understood what it ment. The adults in the situation knew for a fact that they were allowing a child to get a tattoo of a gang symbol. Regardless of the childs cluelessness or non-cluelessness.
I also have to say it really isn’t my business
@SerenaDante - well there were two different presentations of what happened in the article, but they both involved knowing it was a gang symbol? In one version (presented to court), the boy was held down against his will. The other version is that the boy claimed he wanted the tattoo to be like his dad, who was also a member of the bulldog gang. it was never just a “i like puppies!” Sort of decision.
A dog paw is a mascot symbol for lots of schools. My college was the bulldogs, and we had paw prints all over.
@Kiwi7534 - It’s a dog paw. As I said above, that a particular gang decided upon it as their symbol makes it no more or less demonic than it being the symbol of my middle school’s mascot.
@scarletchord - I agree
life in prison is a ridiculous sentence.
@SerenaDante - ”Uh, you’re missing the part where the child could have decided he wanted a paw tattoo without any knowledge of it being a gang sign. You know, like, because maybe he saw a dog or something”
So the parent tattoos their kid with a sign that just so happens to be their gang sign to appease the child? It’s not like giving your kid an extra serving of dessert after dinner to make them happy, you’re willingly endangering your child who may or may not understand it is a gang sign, but certainly at 7 years old can’t comprehend the implications of having such a tattoo. I’m sorry that’s one of the stupidest arguments I’ve seen on here in a long time.
Until rapists and child molesters get life in prison, no.
@SerenaDante - also, while I get your point of it can be a school mascot and such, if we take this case as setting an example for other cases, I think it’s important to set a firm “no, this is not okay.” Many gang symbols are less ambiguous, and it is unfortunate gang violence exists, but it DOES exist, and if you go around wearing, say, a red bandana knowing it’s the symbol of a local gang, while you might not be a part of said gang, if there are gang wars and red bandana gang is going down, you’re going to get attacked anyways. And bandanas are a bit less permanent than tattoos…
@SerenaDante - It doesn’t matter what the symbol is. The adults in the situation still willingly tattooed a gang symbol on a child. I’m not saying that everyone who has a tattoo of a freakin paw is in a gang: get it? All i’m saying is that those adults were very irresponsible to willingly tattoo a gang symbol (of any kind) on a child.
@ScarletMoth - With this sort of thinking, anyone wearing a Star of David in North America ought to watch out, seeing as it’s also a symbol of the Crips gang.
@Kiwi7534 - And what I’m saying is that those adults were very irresponsible to willingly tattoo anything on a child. That it was a gang symbol is irrelevant.
@SerenaDante - Well, that’s a good point.
did i just read that right? life in prison? give me a fucking break! not even most rapists get life in prison (the one’s who actually deserve it). so fucking stupid. this world seriously amazes me.
If the child objected to the tattoo or if other family members disagree with the process they can argue in court for custody of the child. They can keep it concealed until the child is ready to go for laser removal. As far as life imprisonment saying that is extreme is an understatement when countless newborn boys have their foreskin butchered.
Not life, but some severe punishment that needs to include losing custody.
Prison is not really necessary.
Wrong only because it’s a gang sign that he might not have actually wanted and would have to live with for a long time. + the little boy could grow up and be wrongly accused of something because of that gang tattoo.
WWJD?
Life in prison? Did the kid get the AIDS or what?
The stupidity involved in this whole mess is astonishing. This child obviously needs better parental care.
Sounds very harsh to me.
prison is a waste of human resources…
2 people,, life in prison,,, how many people will this have tied up for how many years,,, and how much will it cost taxpayers??
and how many various family members will also suffer for … how long??
hahahahaha,,, no,,, there are other punishments available,,, but ive never given our judicial system any credit for possessing common sense…
speechless…..
California–home of the gay marriage initiave–and the marijuana intiative–and the 9th circuit court–and proposal 13–is leveling life in prison at these guys for a coin sized tat. And what if they sold the kid drugs–lethal injection?
Understand–I voted for Bush–both of ‘em–and McCain. I’m a fundie. I post reactionary posts about same-gender couples, moral absolutes, and radical Islam–but THIS! Is His Honor hitting the gavel on his head instead of the bench?
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Uh no.
what the hell? no!
sure he did SOMETHING wrong, but come on. I can see max sentence being like 3 years, and most people getting less than a year.
that’s ridiculous..
YES! Thats screwing over Labor LAWS!!!! thats like giving a minor sex!!!! and saying “I didnt do anything wrong because the girl under the age of 18 wanted it!” Horrible Horriblee Horrible yes i hope you enjoys rotting in jail.
The fact that life in prison is even a prospective punishment for this “crime” is a shining example of how fail our legal system is.
okay, not that I agree with the fact that the 7-year-old should have gotten a tattoo, regardless
they should NOT face LIFE in prison for that
I’ve heard of people who have done much worse that got off with less. that’s terrible!!!!!
oh, and thanks for clearing up that wasn’t the boy in the picture, Dan
hahahaha
life in prison? not really. he should probably go to jail and probably lose unsupervised time with the child though when he gets out
No. I am against body modification of minors, but it isn’t worthy of a life sentence.
Not life, come on, but still, that’s messed up of them.
@Jeremy_Sheer - for a quarter-sized tattoo that can be removed? i think that’s a little outlandsh.
Even if it WAS a gang symbol… the artist and father do not deserve to go to jail. It is messed up but the kid gave consent. It’s called laser removal.
Gang slime abusing children. Jail’em and throw away the key.
Life in prison is way over the top, but no reputable tattoo artist would ink a seven-year-old. In my state, I think you have to be 17 with parent’s consent, so yes, it is a very serious thing.
1) There was just a case about this in GA with a child about the age of 11 being tattooed. Can’t remember the outcome but the sentiment was even underage the parent cannot give consent until they are 16.
2) This wasn’t just any parent and any tat artist – they are gang members and the tattoo is a gang sign.
3) Epic FAIL all around. But I don’t think it warrants life in prison.
Well, a LIFE is prison seems a bit harsh.
I would rather take away the artist’s license and thoroughly check the father’s parenting skills…
And ask the mother what her opinion on this is, actually.
I think tattoos are forbidden below the the age of 16 in the UK; If not they should be. Tattooing a child is assault of a minor and should be punished as such.
No.
no. not life in prison.
Life, for that? Absolutely not.
Yes, he did a LOT wrong, and his story was shaky, but life is a little extreme.
I mean, I’m sure that there are a lot of cases that are worse that body modification of a minor, that got far less than what he got. (Don’t quote me on this) But I’m sure I’ve heard of cases where murders (proven guilty) have only gotten three years or so.
-edit- Isn’t life in prison not really “life,” and that’s how the same person can get more than one life sentence at the same time? I could be wrong.
This is an interesting. Predators sexual abuse minors and for years are subject to Megan’s Law… but they do not get life in prison.
If he did, in fact, force the child down, the law states he and the artist can spend life in prison. I don’t think it matters what the tattoo was, it’s just that he permanently defaced another person. While that’s what the law says, does he deserve such a sentence? I want to say no simply because harsher crimes seem to have lesser penalties.
wtf? If the boy had parental consent then it doesn’t matter as far as the law is concerned. Do I think it was right to get a tattoo on an 8 y/o? no
I definitely don’t think life in prison is necessary. It’s not like he murdered someone. Loss of custody would be better.
Yup…lock them up.
Life?
No.
I don’t agree with tattooing a seven year old but life in prison? That’s far too harsh.
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@iamjustamemory - No its not. The Walt Disney Company has just dealt with insider trading. The secretary of executives just got arrested this past week? Outlandish!? no. A tatoo on a 7 year old where the kid knows how it felt and laser surgurey costs about $3,000.00 to remove? yeah thats about right the inker got what deserves. do your research. again the 7 year old DIDNT want it
@Jeremy_Sheer - learn how to spell before you try to talk to me. you’re annoying.
I don’t think the tattoo artist did anything wrong. It’s common protocol for the guardian or adult to sign a waver and if the father signed a waver then the artist shouldn’t be blamed. The father is an idiot to be sure. I think the case has more to do with the gang promotion surrounding the tattoo’s meaning than the fact that it was a 7 year old who got the tattoo. I still don’t think it’s worth facing jail time for.
@iamjustamemory - Then DON’T RESPOND TO MY COMMENTS WEIRDO! Everyone has a right to share their opinion. You don’t like what I had to say then tough! what a stupid response!
@Jeremy_Sheer - I didn’t say I didn’t like what you had to say dumbass I just said maybe you should learn some intellect and how to fucking spell the word TATTOO before you pick a fight about it.
I think it’s more of an issue that it’s a gang sign more than anything else.
But do I think he should go to prison for it? Absolutely not.
lol no…
Unless the kid was like struggling and screaming and didn’t want it to begin with but had to get it anyway. But even then, life is questionable.
Nope.
This is nuts.. dosn’t the da have anythign better to do with his time?
Life in Prison is going waaay too far. I’d give the father maybe 1-2 years and the tattoo artist did nothing wrong, but maybe couple months of community service or something? I mean, the kid IS a minor and a bit too young to get a tattoo…so, yeah. Definitely not Life in Prison. that’s just messed up.
well, you left out some pretty important points.
The kid was held down, and it was a symbol for his dad’s gang.
They shouldn’t get life in prison, but some huge fucking fines, and maybe some jail time.
My thoughts on this are a minor (and sometimes above that age) don’t have the full understanding that tattoos and not only permant, but, can affect you in SO may ways that you wouldn’t think of.
Tattoos must be thoroughly thought out and then some.
The social aspects and the “stereotypes” that come with them are endless.
Luckily for the boy (if there is anything lucky about it) The tattoo is in a area that is easy to cover and a dog paw, can mean tons of things. Most of us don’t know about gang signs. Well, I don’t anyway.
As for the penalty for the Tattoo artist, I do think that it was terribly stiff unless there was more to this then the authority’s are saying.
Sorry, I have long thoughts.
@SerenaDante - It’s pretty clear in this case it was a gang tattoo
Either with good or bad intentions giving a child a tattoo is wrong! Now about the life in prison thing it is a punishment with great repercussions. For me personally it is a bit harsh unless abuse to the child was involved. look at this picture of two kids who have them. Real or not this is just awful to look at.
I don’t think the punishment is severe enough, i say they should hang ‘em.
I don’t think the tattoo artist should get punished for this. It was the parent’s responsibility, and if the artist had the parent’s consent then it should have been fine. This is the father’s problem and his lack of responsibility over his own son, not the tatto artist’s.
i definitely think they deserve jail time. no doubt about it. it’s unethical on so many levels.
what the fuck. rapists and child molesters get lighter sentences than that.
The tattoo artist should have known better. Idiot. Plain and simple, STUPID.
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NO WAY. The tattoo artist did not doing anything wrong. He was just doing his job!!!!
If the situation were slightly different, I would think that this was a silly thing for people to go to jail over. Yes, the child is 7 years old and it is wrong to tattoo someone so young in my opinion. But it was up to the parents, so I would think the tattoo artist shouldn’t get in trouble.
HOWEVER,
This was a gang symbol, given by a gang member (or former gang member) to another gang member’s child. This wasn’t an accidental, “Oh, a paw print is cool, let’s do it,” and THEN finding out that it was a gang symbol. They knew it.
Therefore, I believe that because of the nature of gangs, they put the child’s LIFE in danger by giving him that tattoo.
I believe that life in prison is a little harsh of a sentence considering that, like another person mentioned, you get off on 10 years and probation if you molest a child. But I do think jail time is necessary, considering all the aspects of the case.
Life in prison? No.
I don’t think they desrve life in prison. But they deserve something. The tattoo was a gang sign. And even if it was a normal tattoo, this is still bad parenting.
My thoughts on this are these: 1. He is a boy, who has no say. He can say no but the father wouldn’t listen anyways right? 2. It will stretch as he grows and look terrible. and 3. You should NEVER force anyone to do anything like that. Jail, may be the answer…. And I thought giving little babies earings were bad…..
i like the color red, and red is a gang color…does that mean i can’t wear red?
i don’t necessarily agree or care about this boy or the tattoo artist..but to those who are saying it’s a gang sign so of course it is wrong to tattoo it on a boy…well what about the gang colors? a man who worked at staples was jumped because he was wearing red…he was wearing his work outfit.
this post is misleading. at first i thought no but after finding out it was a gang symbol YES.
I dont think they should have let/forced (the article was fuzzy) him get a tattoo but life in prison is a huge over reaction. It seems really crazy compared to how lightly a lot of sex offenses against children are sentenced.Maybe they should be forced to pay for having it removed???
@memoriasbellas - you really think they deserve life in prison?
Seeing as rapists and molesters and other people who commit other serious social crimes don’t receive life in prison, no, tattooing a 7 year old does not warrant life in prison.
@ANVRSADDAY - A piercing isn’t permanent.
yes. they do. i dont care how long they rot in jail. but they deserve to be there.
They understood what they were doing. I have a hard time believing a 7 year old boy could sit through a hip tattoo without being held down. . .this little boy deserves a clean slate. His father should be rotting in jail forever!
even if the 7 year old boy said he wanted a tattoo, He is 7 YEARS OLD he doesn’t know what he wants! he cant understand the responsibility&commitment that goes along with having a permanent mark on your body; furthermore, no child should have to be promised to some street gang and marked by his own father while being held down. Most kids will say things like I want to wear tattoos and be just like dad or I want to be a doctor just like dad. . .It doesn’t mean you should tattoo gang symbols on the kid!!!
fucking horrible.
I remember hearing about this last year when it actually happened. It’s disgusting. I got my first tattoo when I was 17 and old enough to know better. I don’t think life in prison is justifiable, but something should be done to prevent this from happening again and so those men know it wasn’t right. I mean, if the kid was begging for alcohol does that make it all right to give it to him?
if anyone deserves to be punished, it’s the parent(s). but life in prison? that’s beyond overkill.
on the other hand, if there is a law against tattooing children of a certain age with or without parental consent, it’s up to the tattoo artist to know that.
That’s insane, life in prison for a tattoo.
I suppose it depends on culture, where you reside, etc.
yeah this post is very misleading. it leaves out important details. it’s not so much the fact that he gave the kid a tattoo, but the possibility that they forced it on the boy. that would warrant a harsher punishment. but still not life in prison.
No, but they do need to be reprimanded as the boy is to young to have a tat.
how about a fine?
it’s art, dude.
That’s ridiculous. People pierce their babies’ ears. This isn’t much different except it’s less obvious. I don’t agree that they should let the kid make a decision at that age (though he can get it removed, though it is painful an pricy), but life in prison is so harsh. Prison time at all is harsh. If the kid wanted it, there should be no jail time.
@beautifullymindfull - It is if you leave it in long enough. See my other post for the rest of my opinions on that if you’re going to reply.
@kirarinangelicpretty - Even if he WANTED it, life in prison? Kind of harsh, no?
I think we as a society are missing a bigger picture here.
A child asks his father for a tattoo, the father gives it to him. We punish both the father and the tattoo artist. We are punishing someone for giving their child what they want. However, there are children not being fed, clothed, bathed, given love, etc. They are being neglected of things they need.
Perhaps we should re-prioritize and make sure we are getting the right parents in trouble. Yes, the child will probably regret this tattoo further down the road, but it is a fixable problem, with simple creams or cosmetic surgery. Deformity, malnutrition, and emotional damage are a little harder to fix as you get older.
Not life in prison, no. But I do believe that a seven year old does not need a tattoo and any creditable tattoo artist would defiantely not tattoo a seven year old. Though that is just my opinion..
This post fails to mention that the tattoo was for the fathers GANG.
Life imprisonment isn’t harsh enough; they should both be executed.
life sentence? yeah that may be a lil unjust but if the boy was “forced” to get the tattoo then a lil jail time is due. The parents consent means nothing if the boy didnt give his own consent. Its painful and traumatizing.
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A life in prison is a bit extreme…
not life in prison wtf?? that is ridiculous! take the kid away from the piece of shit parent and have the parent pay a significant fine and maybe like 90 days in county jail or something.
Its a gang tattoo! Children cant get a tattoo in CA even with their parents consent. The only tattoo that a child should have is a medical tattoo if they need one. A tattoo that can give life saving information in an emergency.
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They should be punished but life in prison is extreme. This is one of those stories where the law goes to far. Killers don’t get life or their accomplices.
life in prison bahahaha that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard… its a bit stupid for the father to allow the son to get the tattoo at his age but, at the most, he should get a fine. any prison time is just retarded. its a tattoo… not murder
Of course not.
Yeahhh, you didn’t mention it was a gang sign, that’s definitely wrong.
Tattoo artist should not be put in prison
because say he had refused,someone would have made trouble about that to I’m sure. The father on the other hand, should be punishedMaybe not life in prisonBut a nice little while definitely couldn’t hurt. And a tattoo at seven, that’s crazy, but at least it wasn’t anything like giant or insane.
ridiculous. though it is odd to be giving a child such a gay tattoo.
The typical 40 year old has only a 50% chance of making a “correct” tat decision; One that they will never change their mind about. In other words, a tat they won’t regret. Now a 7 year old has about a .00001 % chance of being able to make that decision. There are worse things in the world, but this is just lazy/irresponsible parenting. Likely the child will want his nipples pieced by ten.
The dad and the artist shouldn’t get jail time IMO. The “gang” issue is irrelevant. I am not aware of any tattoo age requirements, so these court proceedings are just a waste of taxpayer money.
They get life in prison for tattooing someone.. but a guy can kill a little boy and only have a few years.. Interesting.
@steph843 - I was about to post that the verdict was a bit harsh, but I didn’t know the info you just mentioned!!! Don’t involve kids with gang bullshit!!!! Do the time you jerkoff!!
I think life in prison is a bit too severe. But I also think that giving a 7-year-old a tattoo is a terrible idea.
YES, they both should be thrown in prison! Upon reading the article, the tattoo is not just a paw it is a gang symbol, the child stated that he didn’t want the tattoo and that his father actually held him down. It is wrong and cruel to subject a child to such a horrific thing. He will be forever stamped with the gang sign… and that is wrong.
LIFE in prison?? for a tattoo. what the fuck has this world come to??
Either way, he’s going to get in some serious legal troubles. I know for a fact that California law doesn’t allow for tattooing of minors under any circumstances. Granted, on a 16 or 17 year old, that law might not be enforced if parental consent is granted and if it’s never brought to the attention of anyone in the law, but since this has gone to court AND it’s involving such a young child, they’re both probably going to get into some serious hot water.
When I was getting my last piercing, a 16 year old girl came in with her grandparents and her mother to get a sparrow in honor of matching one her grandpa had gotten in a war he had fought in. I chose this tattoo parlor for my piercings because I knew they followed the laws very strictly and they were extremely professional and talented, so when they told the girl that they could not tattoo her because she wasn’t 18, I knew they weren’t just blowing smoke up her ass.
While I don’t think a parent SHOULD do that, I can’t imagine he should EVER receive life in prison for something so minor. Isn’t that where a lot of murderers and rapists go? How come they’re on the same wavelength here?
Even if it was a gang sign, it’s not going to turn the kid into a hardened criminal just to have it on him.
He should get a fine, or maybe some jail time but this is too harsh.
LIFE?!?!?!?!
It’s the father’s mistake, not the tattoo artist.
I think the father should get in more trouble than the artist. In my state, at least a minor can get a tattoo with the parents permission… BUT the kid didn’t want it. So, the father should get in more trouble, the artist in less, but both should get in trouble.
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