May 31, 2010
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Rape Day
Last year on Memorial Day I wrote a blog titled “Happy Rape Day.”
In the post, I mentioned that women in the military were more likely to be raped than they were to be killed in action. So instead of thanking women for giving their lives for our country, I thanked them for giving their vagina for our country.
Oddly, that post was not embraced with a warm xanga reception. It received over 300 comments in 5-6 hours and about 5000-6000 views. I received various threats and John from the xanga team came in and gave the post a “C” rating knocking it off the viewable part of Top Blogs. A xanga team member told me that the xanga community “struggles to understand sarcasm.” (Oddly, xanga feels that sarcasm is a bigger threat to the children on xanga than a dildo or talk of threesomes or even making fun of a rape victim from the ish sites).
But once again, I would like to restate that a woman is 20 times more likely to be a victim of sexual assault in the military than she is to be killed. Here is the link: Link
The odd thing is that when I posted it, so many people told me that I was showing dishonor to the troops for posting it on Memorial Day. In fact, that was the number one issue. People were upset that I dishonored the troops. A woman who had been raped in the military sent me a private message and said she had received the same treatment.
According to the article I linked, only 8 percent of sexual assaults reports in the military were referred to the courts. In civilian courts, 40 percent are brought up on charges of rape.
But this whole issue brought up a secondary question. Someone at the time sent me a message and said “that most rape accusations are found to be false.” He showed me a bunch of links that showed DNA evidence freed men who had been accussed of rape. He also cited that more rape cases are overturned. He felt women just use it as a card to hit men they hated.
But as I read on xanga, I read so many stories of women who say they have been raped.
Do you think rape is over reported or under reported?
Comments (220)
all this talk of rape is getting me horny.
Underreported.
Victims don’t speak out as much as they should.
Under.
@anduel - O_o
Go Dan.
Underreported. Half the time when a women says she has been raped, the law enforcement on the case try to pin holes in the story to make it seem as though it never happened but, half the time the women are too traumatized to remember every damn detail.
Definitely underreported. Women need to speak up and stand up for themselves.
Under-reported makes more sense to me.
omgwtfbbq you talk about rape in the military why thats unamerican !!!!!!111!1!!!1!!!!1!1!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!
Vastly, depressingly underreported.
REC! I would say that true rape reports are under reported while false rape reports are over reported. And I mean that statistically, though it does apply morally as well. Someone who has gone through trauma is going to have a more difficult time stepping out and saying it happened then someone who’s fabricating it for some sort of personal gain.
since it is man doing the reporting about man doing these things, who really knows. Liars talking about liars.I honestly have no clue.
@Lady_Kelacy - I agree
@anduel - You’re an idiot.
Under reported.
UNDER.
i’d say actual rape is underreported, and the incidences of false reports are overreported.
the “Incest” Google ad is creeping me out.
I beat you to a rape entry.
I oringaly thought you were joking when you said I was ruining your happy rape day entry
under.
Oh Dan, when I tell people about Xanga and tell them about you.
And they check you out, and get posts entitled like the one above, they don’t seem to like you..
But WE know better, don’t we?
I CANT BELIEVE IVE BEEN ON XANGA FOR A FREAKING YEAR. I remember this like it was yesterday.
i read the newspaper and watch the nightly news every day (i think im 50 at heart in that way), and now that you raise the question, i seldom hear about rape. so i guess it’s under-reported. but i don’t know if it’s really necessary for every single rape to be reported.
Under-reported, without a shadow of the doubt.
I would like to personally punch people who claim rape is “used as a card.” Rape is pretty much at the BOTTOM of false accusation cases. But rape is near the top of crimes that do not get reported. Suck much? Yeah, it does. Rape is definitely underreported, all statistics back this.
Most rape accusations are NOT false. It’s a hell of a lot of trauma to go through a trial, there’s no point in doing it for vengeance. They have to deal with having their personal lives and actions put on trial, seeing the accused at trial, spending a lot and time and energy on a trial that is statistically pretty likely not to land anyone in jail anyways, and they are often being ostracized for coming forward. And for the small minority of accusations that are false, it’s usually because they misidentified their attacker, not because they had a vendetta.
It is a mix. I think sexual assault is under reported, but the Innocence programs that up to 25% of men convicted of rape are innocent. I cannot prove that fully, but when there is DNA samples available, 25% of those tests show the man is innocent.
The treatment of women in the military has been in the news before. It is not favorable.
Over.
Rape is severely underreported, especially male rape. I hate when people laugh or claim that you cant rape a man. It’s happened & men usually never report it out of shame. I think it’s partly to do with idiots saying “you wanted it because of how your were acting/dressing”. What a person wears doesnt indicate shit. I want to sucker punch lawyers that use that shit to make the victim feel bad in front of a jury.
Under.
It is certainly underreported. Many victims of rape are too afraid to speak up.
underreported but we also have to remember men wh have been raped. It is easier for a woman to report a rape than a man. My heart goes out to all survivors of childhood rape, especially men who society has shamed into not reporting rape even as a child.
underreported.
Way under, I would say.
under
Under.
If you look at the past, rape comes with warfare. I just didn’t want to believe that it’d be within our own military.
Dan, you are the most controversial Xangan.. It’s a good thing you are! Rape cases are under reported.. But it is the military..
False rape charges are over-reported and true ones are under-reported.
Under
i’m unsure what the stats are – well if you watch a lot of tv crime dramas then you will probably see that it’s likely very often under reported, and i’d wager thats pretty much how it really is. and i am sure there are plenty of “little girls who’ve cride wolf” as well,.
but the main thing is– healing. no one (especially me) can really understand what rape victims have been through. i would hope your post somehow gives them the courage to know they are not alone and its ok to be or do whatever they need to in order to heal. keep healing. happy memorial day.
Just the fact we have to make comments about such a subject makes it sad.
Bottom feeders rape. We don’t need bottom feeders as fighters.
under
unreported.
the DNA argument goes for death row too.
the quetion is what marrers most?
that some women lie and falsely accuse a man of rape
or the fact that so many women, (and not quite as many many men) have been raped, physically abused and violated
i think it’s both under and over reported; it just depends on the situation.
Dude, kudos to you for making sure to remind people of this issue again. It would certainly be more disrespectful to the troops to overlook the soldiers who put themselves at the risk of dangers that shouldn’t happen to them ever.
Under. I know three girls alone in my high school that were raped and never reported it. If you count that, and the fact that I never reported molestation to anyone in any seat of power, that makes four that I personally know that never said a word to anyone that did anything about it.
Whether it’s a violent act or not doesn’t change the fact that rape is rape. It’s torturous. It’s a mind-fuck for the rest of your life.
@logicalemu - Is there ever an acceptable amount of falsely reported rapes?
@ScarletMoth - I agree with you. Most reported rapes are not false reports. I was raped at 15 and who ended up being on trial? ME. Me, for the fact that I had been smoking pot that night. Me, for the fact that I got bad grades. Me, for the fact that my first response after he left was to untie myself and scrub myself raw in the shower. Me, because I was too afraid of the knife he had to fight back, and there was no DNA to prove he was there. Just like it often goes, the victim was on trial — NOT the guy who should have been convicted, who tied me to a sink, brutally raped me, and then TOOK MY PURITY RING AS A SOUVENIR. (BTW, I know pot + bad grades + purity ring = makes no sense… I was a screwup and a rebel, but I was a virgin.)
No one willingly goes through that kind of BS, not even for vengeance. It was the most horribly traumatic thing I have ever done, and to an extent, I regret even reporting it.
Anyway, I think rapes are vastly underreported, and I understand the thought processes behind not reporting a rape. A woman (or man) is afraid. She is traumatized. She is embarrassed and humiliated. She doesn’t want to go through a trial. I don’t blame the rape victims for not reporting their rapes… though I wish we were all able to do it, without the victim being on trial.
wow, i can actually remember that specific post clearly.
that was a whole year ago?!
I think you’re right about posting this about women in the military being raped. even though they want “equal” treatment it is impossible. and quite frankly, women shouldn’t be in the military. traditionally men were the warriors that rose up to fight for their women, thus giving them, the women, a greater honor.
Under… and I say that because I know someone who was raped, got pregnant and went on to have and keep the child. All because she was scared and didn’t know what to say or to whom. If she had reported it, things would have been different… she could have gotten the help/advice/support she needed. Hell, she still needs those things today. And if I know someone like that, it means that there’s other people who also have a friend who was raped but didn’t report it. The numbers start to add up and then… well, those statistics would be pretty irrefutable.
Under. The high number of crazy women claiming false rape cause women who are truly victims to not step forward.
I wouldn’t know, I don’t work in that field.
@TheBigShowAtUD - I was just about to say that. I agree.
I think the real ones are under reported.
Whether rapes are under reported or over reported in the military is not the point . Memorial Day is not the time for such a discussion to take place.
Definitely under-reported, for sure. I’ve had a couple of posts about the issue myself, and I’ve gotten similar messages… I can understand why the army would be embarrassed to report these things, but that doesn’t make ignoring the issue right.
I think rape is reported by the wrong people. Perhaps. Those who are the ones who really need to report the guy don’t and those who possibly weren’t even raped report them. It’s all one of those situations where sometimes its hard to believe certain people over others.
Underreported. Since I’ve started writing blog posts about my molestation as a child, I’ve had so many people comment saying that they’ve been molested or raped and never told anybody. Some have told me that I’ve inspired them to tell their own stories. Everyone should have a voice and I think it’s terrible that women in the military don’t have the voice they should.
I think fake rapes are over reported and actual rapes are under reported. Does this make sense?
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It’s very underreported. There’s too much shame involved for the victim.
Thank you for writing this.
@hollowhopes - How is it not necessary?
@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Why not?
Under reported, and men who think they’re just being victimized should shut the fuck up and put their penises away. Seriously, shut the fuck up. What people go through with rape (cause it can be a man being raped too, although far less frequently) cannot be just “denied” like it’s “okay”.
I liked your post last year, and people need to grow up and face the cold, hard, brutal facts.
@Sounds0fLaughter - Because the soldiers that gave their lives for our freedom deserve respect on the day dedicated to their sacrifice.
I noticed many people said rapes are both under- and over- reported. That doesn’t really work. You can’t be under and over something at the same time. And it doesn’t help to say real rapes are one way and fakes are the other… over-reported implies the ones reported ARE fake.
but, Mr. Café, are you trying to say that there is more to the United States military than valor and patriotism? That’s simply beyond me.
@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - What about the women? You’re putting the “needs” of the men, the people doing these terrible things, before the women’s. Why?
@Sounds0fLaughter - All of that doesn’t have to take place on Memorial Day. Taking a day to commemorate and respect the dead does not detract from the injustice done to women. We can pick it all up again tomorrow, no problem.
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Under under under. As the friend of 2 rape victims, definitely under.
Hm. Under. Maybe not JUST rape, but sexual assault in any way shape or form is under reported.
It is UNDER reported! I have served my time in the military and I know how real this is. Every woman I know in the military has either been victim of sexual harassment all the way up to rape. And if a woman in the military didn’t get raped then she knows of someone directly that was. I know it’s under reported too because so many of the women fear the repercussions of speaking up. Those that do get burned and crucified and labeled as a woman just trying to pull the “rape card”. I myself survived a brutal rape by the hands of men in my own company. Most told me that I just need to find a way to “deal with it” but there’s a few good men and women in my company who have been by my side during this time.
It’s also incredible how some chain of commands will not even do anything about reported rape incidents. They’d rather sweep it under the rug or protect the assailant than the victim. My command has yet to do something. But like I said those few good men and women are looking for their own justice and investigating on their own time.
@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - But I don’t think we’re disrespecting them at all. We’re only pointing out a problem, not picking out individuals.
@Lady_Kelacy - I agree too.
Real rape is underreported.
@Sounds0fLaughter - It is in fact disrespect to bring up rape on Memorial Day. You ask for sensitivity for a women’s issue but are not willing to be sensitive to the dead, their families and the people who wish to remember the dead.
@anduel - I hope you realize that rape is not funny.
And I think it’s under reported.
@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - well I’m happy he did. It’s not just a day for the veterans that died but for those of us that still sacrificed much of our time defending this country. The time we spent away from home, the stress and anxiety we had to put up with wondering if we would ever make it back home, if our significant other is staying faithful, if we will ever see our children grow up….and yes this includes those of us women who have had to endure so much by the hands of our “brothers” in arms so that we may protect the interest of this country
under most people who’ve been raped are embaresed of the fact or feel it’s there fault.
I think that you are still out of line. There is a time and a place for everything and the day we are supposed to be remembering and honoring those that died to keep this country free is not it. I’m offended. I think you’re an attention whore that will step on anyone to get more comments and recs. As a member of the armed forces, I’m disgusted. I’d like to remind you that the men and woman that this day was created for died so that you can write your opinions, as off color, crude and inapproproate they may be. You need to respect that. It’s people like you that make my job so much harder and oftentimes unfulfilling. Someday you will understand, but I don’t doubt that by then, it will be too late.
Too many false rapes are being reported, not enough real reports are being made.
It’s hard to make a report. It’s hard to even face it and be able to say it aloud to yourself let alone tell anyone else.
Most accusations are not false, most of them are very real. Like I said above, it’s hard to even say it aloud let alone tell someone else. And getting up in front of a court and saying it, reliving everything in your mind… It’s not an easy thing to do. I give props to anyone who has done it, but I could never do that.
Under.
Rape is under-rated.
It’s funny how xanga supports you now? Gosh in just a year a whole community can just change their minds so drastically… My brothers are military and both served over seas and let me find out either of them EVER was involved in anything like this and I’d castrate them so quickly… Rape is never okay… I was however completely aware of this. I have a close friend whom doesn’t say much, but I know this happened to.
@RedheadAblaze - So, the men and women we remember today died so Dan could speak freely, and you’re scolding him for doing so? I’m sorry, I fail to grasp the sense of this. I may need to re-initiate my logic crumple zones for this.
@stephened -
Thats such bull shit! As a woman in the military, we have certain analytical and multitasking skills that men can’t even compete with! Not to mention the fact that if every woman was removed from her position, the entire US military would collapse.
@RedheadAblaze - Provide scientific fact to back up these claims. So far, all I’m seeing is misandristic rhetoric. Especially prove how removing women from the service would, as you say cause “the entire US military [to] collapse”.
@RazielV -
I couldn’t care less if he did this on any other day, but Memorial Day? It’s a shame that insted of memorializing those that died, everyone is looking at them as a bunch of rapists. Dan needs to learn some tact and stop capitalizing on the sensitivities of others.
The only people who claim that most rape accusations are false, or that rape is overreported… are the rapists. Duh.
@stephened - Oh, do shut up. And then grow up.
@RedheadAblaze - Dan’s purpose does not have to match up with yours. Not everyone is going to use this day to remember the dead. That’s first. Secondly, just because he chose to post about rape in the military over posting about memorials doesn’t mean he hasn’t spent his day remembering the dead. His site is a sensationalist site. Period. The fact you scold him for exercising the very freedom he is granted by the deaths of our soldiers is very illogical. It’s also undermining their sacrifice. If anything, his speaking out IS honouring those who died serving/have served by fully using the freedom he now has thanks to them.
Beyond that, he’s also bringing attention to those who are still serving. So again, I fail to see your side of the issue beyond just being outraged.
@RazielV -
Oh yeah? How about the fact that the draft would have to be reinstated because too many Americans refuse to serve their country? How about a return of the chaos of the vietnam war that it caused? Take some time and really think about what you’re asking here.
I would hazard to guess that actual rapes are under reported and false rape reports are more common than they ought to be. Just a guess though.
@RedheadAblaze - You’re listing slippery slopes, but again no hard data. Your opinion alone does not constitute fact, nor does conspiracy theory. Post facts, or stop attempting to act as if you’re correct. Prove that the draft would be re-instated, or that there would be a Vietnam-esque scenario in response. Otherwise you’re just making half-hearted claims. I shall return at two p.m., awaiting a more intelligent, thought out, and researched response.
As John apparently understands, the great minds understand the blog, and that there’s no ill will….
@stephened - “I think you’re right about posting this about
women in the military being raped. even though they want “equal”
treatment it is impossible. and quite frankly, women shouldn’t be in the
military. traditionally men were the warriors that rose up to fight for
their women, thus giving them, the women, a greater honor.”
Are you kidding me? It is impossible for women have equal treatment, which in this case means not getting raped? Um, how about no MEN be in the military if as a group, as you seem to imply, they are largely incapable of stopping themselves from raping someone on their own side? That doesn’t sound like someone I trust to fight for my country.
It is no “greater honor” to be barred from fighting. Traditionally rich people kept slaves. Traditionally women were property. Traditionally divorce wasn’t legal, traditionally birth control was wrong, traditionally rape wasn’t a crime. Go far back enough, tradition will always justify immoral actions, because history is full of the darker side of humanity.
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UNDERRR! Although I agree with the critics that your sarcasm “thanking” women for their vagina is pretty harsh, I do see your point in the Xanga community being more embracing of those other subjects. But with rape being under reported, I learned the reality o f how much that was true in many big college campuses in the US. For my own college, one girl who came into the campus clinic saying she was raped was immediately told by the nurses that she was probably drunk and made up excuses as to why it wasn’t rape. Some nurses didn’t believe her story.
Under reported.
Under reported…
I think because it is underreported those cases that are reported are pushed so that justice is found and that can come at the expense of putting innocent men behind bars. In the past, too many women have been disregarded leading to underreporting. Now that the seriousness of rape is recognized, the right men aren’t always found. It’s sad though when rape is used by women to punish a man. I think it ends up being unfortunate for everyone.
So Sad
It could be likely that it is neither. From the ones that are reported it would be helpful to know how many of them were truthfully reported. Truthfully, in the sense that the rape actually occurred. Moreover, some general scenarios need to be presented so that people can know when and under what circumstances are these rapes occurring.
Certainly there are going to be cases where rape occurred but was not reported probably because the culprit was a superior officer or perhaps the victim didn’t realize that she was being raped because maybe she was under the influence of alcohol or some other mind-altering substance. And in that case, even if she was conscious enough to know she was being raped, she might not report it because she herself was engaging in something illegal (not-allowed). I find it not at all controversial to bring this issue up on Memorial Day, rather it should be brought up often.
I think that a lot of the time, some people cry “rape” to get even, or whatever.
Actual rape victims? That is under reported.
@TheBigShowAtUD - ditto.
Underreported by FAR.
Under-reported, especially when it concerns the military.
You thank them for giving their vagina for our country.
I know that’s suppose to be a joke, but it’s in really poor taste.
What the “gentleman” was messaging you about is false accusations about that specific individual man, not false accusations that the rape actually occurred. It is sometimes extremely difficult to identify the perpetrator of a rape which can lead to false accusations.
As to the rape cases that were overturned, um, who wants to be a rapist? No one. And rich, white men who can hire better lawyers are going to win every time against the “nuts or sluts” who accuse them of rape.
@RedheadAblaze - And what about those soldiers who were violated? They don’t deserve recognition either? I don’t give what day it is. My whole family is military. Served in 4 different wars and I would out any of them on Memorial day or any day if I found out they were involved in any of this. Silencing rape is bullshit… and if bringing attention to it on a day like Memorial day will make it known then who gives a shit? I don’t think this blogger’s main idea is to call all military members “rapists” it’s to say “hey listen up, there are people being raped and nobody is doing anything about it”.
What I find most interesting is the rationalization that you you were being disrespectful for making your point on Memorial Day.
That would seem to insinuate that the people who claimed this believe respect for their troops is a higher moral imperative than women not being raped in the military.
Under is my vote, from personal experience.
“Struggles to understand sarcasm.”
Hahahahaha.
That is what I love about you.
@TheBigShowAtUD - very well said, sir.
Theologian- I usually like your posts, but in this case I’d caution you not to quote 3rd-hand statistics without doing your own research. I happen to be familiar with some of the studies that have been most widely quoted in the past few years- and they are often being quoted out of context by politicians and advocacy groups. The VA actually reports the average rate of attempted *or* completed sexual assault reported among service members at 6% for women, and 1% for men. Not all of these are completed acts (and some number of assaults are non-violent- since sexual activity resulting from coercion, promise of favors, or which took place when one of the individuals was intoxicated and incapable of granting knowing consent, were included in the definition). Any non-consensual or coercive sexual activity is wrong- but as a former female servicemember who was sometimes *denied* professional opportunities by men who didn’t want to be held responsible in the fairly *unlikely* event something “happened to me” in their AO, I’d hope someone of your influence and education would understand that some statistics are misleading, and do a little bit more research before relying on one news article about one study (which actually surveyed users of VA health care, not the veteran population as a whole). I am not at all offended by your bringing up this issue, or by your bringing it up on Memorial Day. I abhor the idea that anyone, male or female, would be taken advantage or subjected to abuse by another human being- sexually or otherwise, violent or not. It’s a terrible crime. But don’t hurt your credibility by overstating the case- the vast majority of female veteran’s vaginas made it through our time in service just fine. Let’s save our outrage and sympathy and support for those cases that truly merit it- a lot less than 25%. Just my personal opinion, I haven’t done the research on it- but based on my experiences, I’d hazard a guess that in some ways, the average woman is in more danger of being assaulted on some college campuses in this country than while serving in the US military.
Under and I don’t think it gets much media attention either.
@ScarletMoth - good point. i agree with your comment. it’s still pretty sad for both the victim and the accused though, in cases where the accused is innocent; societal reactions are pretty harsh.
@snapeful - I agree, I realize just being accused can cast suspicion on a person long after they’re cleared, if they’re cleared; however, I think sometimes people get a little overconcerned for the accused? I feel like people speak up for those accused of rape much more often than those accused of child molestation, robbing a bank, or murder. We should assume everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but I don’t think we should go out of our way to provide leeway for the accused.
Not that I’m saying you are arguing with me on that, it’s just where my mind was going xD
Under reported. It is a myth that women use it to get back at men. It just shows the sick patriarchal mindset we have in our country. From all of the journals, studies, and books I’ve read on domestic violence, intimate partner violence, rape, etc has all pointed to the idea that it is often a very small percentage that cry wolf.
I’ve never been a fan of Memorial Day. I never asked anyone to “give their life” for me. This is not a martyr-like sacrifice. These men are soldiers carrying guns and taking lives as well. We are all killing, raping, and hurting each other for worthless, hyped up reasons. And even our self-righteous figures seem merely content to point out the wrongs rather than take any action in setting them right.
@RedheadAblaze - Some (many) of those dead soldiers we’re honoring were rapists. Most of those dead female soldiers were their victims. What better day than Memorial Day to talk about it?
@Shinbi_Belldandy - TOTALLY AGREE!
SUPER UNDER REPORTED.. DUH.
ESPECIALLY by MEN.
I hate it when people laugh about that too >< simply ignorance.
Sick!!
I can understand why the sarcasm is not appreciated. And you know what? That’s because it is offensive to the good men who fight for this country. To say that women get raped in the army is like saying on various holidays that various women get raped. There is no distinction between the military and rape; the military does not breed rapists. But you know what, there are assholes everywhere. And I guess the army is no exception. I believe your closing question was just a bullshit excuse to bring up the same shit that people did not appreciate last year. So, happy bad posting day. One year anniversary. Congrats.
I feel it’s completely appropriate to point out that the ostensible defenders of liberty are, themselves, infringing upon it on a day like today. In addition, I choose not to honor those in the military who would do such things to other people, inside or out.
Also, under-reported. I know several women who’ve been raped and never gone to the authorities over it. I can’t think of any who have.
@dreamwraith - You never “asked anyone to give their life?” That’s pretty ignorant. Like the song:
And I’m proud to be an American,
where at least I know I’m free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.
so you know what? If Memorial Day doesn’t mean anything to you and you never asked anyone to defend your freedom, then please.. go move to afghanistan or something. get the hell outta here. =]
under.
Dan why do you have a ridiculous amount of plugz? I saw 3 on the same strip today. I am concerned.
The news, any news station, radio, etc. prefers to report things that are violent and moody, or sexy in that it gets them more feedback and more viewers. When it comes to rape, we all cringe.. The whole world cringes… and tunes out. It’s one of those things that people don’t want to hear about, and would rather pretend did not exist. But it does, far too much.
Even rapre victims appear seem to hide what happened to them and pretend it never did. Usually they don’t seem to want to face it, or even try and make a court case out of it — why? becase the woman’s integrity and what comes down to whether or not the accused had just cause is always presented, and that accused lawyer’s paid very well to make sure she’s made to look like a whore.
I believe rape should be publicized all over. I believe it should be covered daily, nightly, hourly, since rape is too common and has to stop. It also has to be taken seriously. I hate when I read fan pages and bs when people are like “I would so rape him!! he’s so sexy!! “ Ladies? grow the hell up. I HATE when people joke about “rape” and use it as a humurous thing, especially when I hear it used in the context of video games as in “I raped him!” Guys? grow the hell up.
While I do find your entry controversial, and I cring on the day it’s presented to the world… I completely understand where you are coming from. The fact that sexual assault and rape exists in the military is kept very, very, quiet.
So many women and girls, boys and men (don’t give me the ”you can’t rape a guy” bullshit) are raped, but that’s hardly ever covered. In order to make it more of a disgusting thing and a more widely known thing, a less accepted and or hidden thing, I believe it should be publicized all over so people realize how brutual rape is, and how damaging it can be. I believe is more real coverage of this existed, more victims would come forward, and more would be taken seriously, and maybe stronger punishment would be made for those sickos.
However, that being said… there are morons who accuse people of rape, when they never were a victim, because they know how badly it can ruin a human being’s life, just being accused of it can do so much damage. And if it is a lie, that person never gains their life back eiher, not entirely. So I do not condone that either. People who make false claims are just as sick as the actual predators who commit rape.
this is a sad story
under…
and if this was the only post i saw by you i would think you were a dick.
I can’t speak for those in the service because I have no idea, but I do believe it’s underreported. I did not report it when it happened to me for all of the reasons that @ScarletMoth stated. As horrible as this sounds, I have never regretted not reporting it because I think it would have been that much harder.@TheBigShowAtUD -
@TheBigShowAtUD - Ditto.
I had a friend that did report hers, and she dropped the charges because the detective on her case told her it was her fault for partying. Things like that (as well as those who file false reports for whatever reason) make it so hard to report it.
Rape is under reported.
@hollowhopes - Why would it not be necessary for every rape case to be reported? If these men (and women) raping others get away with it once, there is a much greater chance that it will happen again. Every case should be reported, but sadly is not, thus making it easier for repeat offenders to get through our system.
I think it’s under reported by the true victims of rape
and over-reported by the fake victims who are just out to get people…
Sometimes I feel that people forget that men get raped, too.
I’m not a man; I’m just saying. (:
Rape is under reported.
I was drugged, sexually assaulted, and raped in my own bedroom by a guy I had never met before in my life. I reported the guy not out of vengeance or spite. I reported him to save other girls. When I reported it, the detective accused me of lying, intimidated me out of going to court, and doodled the entire time I was telling him every detail I could remember at the time. On my way out, I didn’t have a single ounce of strength left. I fell to the ground and cried for 10 minutes in the lobby of the police department. I couldn’t gather the strength to even get back up. He came back out of his office angry, rolled his eyes, and yelled at me to get up.
The guy who raped me even called me threatening me, telling me I had wanted it, no one would believe me, etc. I had been so scared to report this because I thought no one would believe me. I was right. I wasn’t the first girl he had done this to, and now I won’t be the last.
Under-reported. Even if so many cases are overturned and the woman is found to be lying, there are still too many cases where the person isn’t lying where the person never reports it to the authorities for several reasons. That is the sad part. The fact that so many cases are probably based on lies doesn’t mean that the real cases aren’t under-reported.
Rape is underreported. Pissed off women falsely crying rape happens too often. Shame on them. They make it more difficult for the true survivors of rape.
BTW, most underreported? Rape of adult males. I wonder if that happens in the military?
Definitely under-reported and it’s a shame!
Honestly, I think you can never really say whether not rape is over or under reported. I think the scale is too murky, for lack of a better word. Many women who do get raped whether because they’re too traumatized or frightened or they feel the best way to deal with it is to say nothing, don’t speak up about their rape. But at the same time, there are also far too many women who use rape accusations as a tool to punish or manipulate men. Since it’s so hard to estimate how many women fall into these two categories, I feel that I cannot say rape is either over or under reported.
It’s under. I have known several, regular girls, that have been raped, including myself, and haven’t reported it for various reasons.
Anyone that says that you’re dishonoring troops by posting that is a moron. Maybe if they had some self control, and weren’t complete animals, they wouldn’t be accused of rape. I would hardly think that a woman would lie to get back at a man, and if they do, they deserve to be sent to court.
@dryvona - Gay men in the military are often frowned upon, assaulted and shunned by other men, so they either don’t let people know they are gay, or they have to be protected. There was an article not that long ago about a man, calling his commanding officer a “faggot” because he found out he was gay. Excellent example of how men in the military are. Homo-haters.
I think actual rape is under reported.
Rape is under-reported, but also falsely reported sometimes (which causes plenty of other problems).
As far as women being more likely to be raped than killed in the military, this makes perfect sense. We do not generally allow women to be in true combat situations, so there’s not a high chance of death.
not to comment 4 times on this, which i am doing, but people who keep saying things like “But at the same time, there are also far too
many women who use rape accusations as a tool to punish or manipulate
men” need a punch in the face too. Shut UP! You don’t have the slightest idea, do you? There are NOT THAT MANY WOMEN who “use it as a tool.” Can you even name one person you know who has done this? Probably not. While on the other hand, you probably know 5+ victims of sexual abuse. You are supporting rape culture by perpetuating this myth.
You will never find statistical evidence that “a lot of women lie about it” because it really isn’t true. A tiny minority might do it, but it really is a tiny minority. It’s because of people like you that women are afraid to come forward with their honest accusation, because there will always be someone, or many someones, who will accuse her of making it up out of spite. That’s a line defense attorneys use because they’re paid to do it, but you don’t need to buy into it.
@Please_Keep_Quiet - oh, i meant every case doesn’t need to be reported as in every single case doesn’t need to be on the news. but i definitely think every case of rape should be reported to the authorities so they can catch and punish whoever did it
under, definitely, sir.
Very Under reported ! If nothing is said Nothing will be done !
I think it’s under reported. I think women (especially in the military) are afraid to go forth with charges because they’re afraid of what is going to happen afterward. Of course the military is going to try and justify what is happening they don’t want their lovely and holy military receiving a bad name. The military is screwed up in my opinion. Their lines from right and wrong are so blurred that they do basically anything they want because hey, they’re in the military and we don’t understand what they’ve been through and they’re fighting for us etc etc..etc. Yet, that still gives them no right to rape women, either in the military with them or innocent civilians in other countries or even citizens of the US. Aren’t they supposed to protect each other in the military?!?!? Oh wait I forgot…that doesn’t apply to everyone.
Sorry that turned into a rant but these kinds of things really get under my skin, to say the least.
Happy Memorial Day in remembrance of ANYONE who has ever lost a loved one NOT just in the military.
to all those lovely ladies that decided to rip me to pieces, I’d like to clarify that I didn’t mean they get raped by men on their own side. I meant that if they are captured they are more likely to be raped. but whatever. I’m not a military guy so I guess I don’t know what I’m talking about.
Growing up in an all female household, I was taught from a child up that “men” are a different sort of human from women, and that I should fear them because they are dangerous. I never believed that much, but stats like those…
@MyJudas - You can’t condemn the many for the actions of a few. By connecting the two, it’s going to cause ridiculous speculations and generalizations that would be taking away from this holiday that these people earned.
@FallingSafely - In my opinion, there is a time and a place for everything. This is not it.
Sometimes,men are the victims.The fact is nobody wants to sue a lady for rape…..As a legal consultant,i have heard of a case where a number of ladies forcefully raped a man. (http://www.solaogunleye.blogspot.com)
@RedheadAblaze - Soldiers aren’t to be honored just for being soldiers. I’ve known some who deserve to be honored and some who don’t. It’s moronic to say they’re all deserving.
It’s like living on a record and seeing the pin going round and round and round.
“Women serving in the U.S. military today are more likely to be raped
by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire in Iraq.”
As of
July 24, 100 women had died in Iraq, according to the Pentagon.
In 2007, Harman said, only 181 out of 2,212 reports of military sexual
assaults, or 8 percent, were referred to courts martial. By comparison,
she said, 40 percent of those arrested in the civilian world on such
charges are prosecuted.
Defense statistics show that military
commanders took unspecified action, which can include anything from
punishment to dismissal, in an additional 419 cases.
But when
it came time for the military to defend itself, the panel was told
that the Pentagon’s top official on sexual abuse, Dr. Kaye Whitley,
was ordered not to show up despite a subpoena.
“I don’t know what
you’re trying to cover up here, but we’re not going to allow it,” Rep.
Henry Waxman, D-California, said to the Defense official who relayed the
news of Whitley’s no-show. “This is unacceptable.”
Rep. John
Tierney, the panel’s chairman and a Democrat from Massachusetts, angrily
responded, “these actions by the Defense Department are inexplicable.”
“The Defense Department appears to be willfully and blatantly advising
Dr. Whitley not to comply with a duly authorized congressional
subpoena,” Tierney said.
An Army official who did testify said
the Army takes allegations of sexual abuse extremely seriously.
“Even one sexual assault violates the very essence of what it means to
be a soldier, and it’s a betrayal of the Army’s core values,” Lt. Gen.
Michael Rochelle said.
“Women serving in the U.S. military today are more likely to be raped
by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire in Iraq.”
As of
July 24, 100 women had died in Iraq, according to the Pentagon.
In 2007, Harman said, only 181 out of 2,212 reports of military sexual
assaults, or 8 percent, were referred to courts martial. By comparison,
she said, 40 percent of those arrested in the civilian world on such
charges are prosecuted.
Defense statistics show that military
commanders took unspecified action, which can include anything from
punishment to dismissal, in an additional 419 cases.
But when
it came time for the military to defend itself, the panel was told
that the Pentagon’s top official on sexual abuse, Dr. Kaye Whitley,
was ordered not to show up despite a subpoena.
“I don’t know what
you’re trying to cover up here, but we’re not going to allow it,” Rep.
Henry Waxman, D-California, said to the Defense official who relayed the
news of Whitley’s no-show. “This is unacceptable.”
Rep. John
Tierney, the panel’s chairman and a Democrat from Massachusetts, angrily
responded, “these actions by the Defense Department are inexplicable.”
“The Defense Department appears to be willfully and blatantly advising
Dr. Whitley not to comply with a duly authorized congressional
subpoena,” Tierney said.
An Army official who did testify said
the Army takes allegations of sexual abuse extremely seriously.
“Even one sexual assault violates the very essence of what it means to
be a soldier, and it’s a betrayal of the Army’s core values,” Lt. Gen.
Michael Rochelle said.
The committee also heard from Mary
Lauterbach, the mother of Lance Cpl. Maria L”Women serving in the U.S. military today are more likely to be raped
by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire in Iraq.”
As of
July 24, 100 women had died in Iraq, according to the Pentagon.
In 2007, Harman said, only 181 out of 2,212 reports of military sexual
assaults, or 8 percent, were referred to courts martial. By comparison,
she said, 40 percent of those arrested in the civilian world on such
charges are prosecuted.
Defense statistics show that military
commanders took unspecified action, which can include anything from
punishment to dismissal, in an additional 419 cases.
But when
it came time for the military to defend itself, the panel was told
that the Pentagon’s top official on sexual abuse, Dr. Kaye Whitley,
was ordered not to show up despite a subpoena.
“I don’t know what
you’re trying to cover up here, but we’re not going to allow it,” Rep.
Henry Waxman, D-California, said to the Defense official who relayed the
news of Whitley’s no-show. “This is unacceptable.”
Rep. John
Tierney, the panel’s chairman and a Democrat from Massachusetts, angrily
responded, “these actions by the Defense Department are inexplicable.”
“The Defense Department appears to be willfully and blatantly advising
Dr. Whitley not to comply with a duly authorized congressional
subpoena,” Tierney said.
An Army official who did testify said
the Army takes allegations of sexual abuse extremely seriously.
“Even one sexual assault violates the very essence of what it means to
be a soldier, and it’s a betrayal of the Army’s core values,” Lt. Gen.
Michael Rochelle said.
The committee also heard from Mary
Lauterbach, the mother of Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach, a 20-year-old
pregnant Marine who was killed in December, allegedly
by a fellow Marine.(http://www.solaogunleye.blogspot.com)
auterbach, a 20-year-old
pregnant Marine who was killed in December, allegedly
by a fellow Marine.
Rapes are definitely under-reported but with the treatment that rape victims get, I can’t really blame them. And it isn’t right. If a woman reports a rape she gets poked and prodded and her life is examined and turned upside down, and that’s before it makes it to court, if it ever does and it can make some women feel even more taken advantage of. I’m sure there are women who have claimed falsely that they were raped and they’re doing a disservice to every woman who has ever actually been a victim of rape. Something definitely needs to change.
I would say under reported. I too have read that it’s a problem in the military. A 20 times as likely number may be misleading though, considering that women aren’t involved in combat zones or combat missions as often as men. So the chances of them being killed in combat are significantly lessened to begin with. Where I take issue, is the number of sexual assaults and rapes that go unreported or aren’t investigated with the same degree of fervency as would happen in civilian life. The military should be a place where honor and integrity is the utmost importance. We all know that there will be bad apples no matter what, but statistically speaking from all I’ve read, it’s a much larger problem then it ought to be. This coming from a man who supports our military whole heartedly, and who is about to join one of the armed service branches. It’s not that I am dishonoring the troops, it’s those within their ranks that perpetrate this sort of intimate violence that dishonor the troops. They are the ones that bring a cloud of shame not only upon themselves but upon those around them. It’s just an unfortunate side effect of the way things are, happens with all organizations. Not all the people of Enron were bad people, but the entirety of the company bore the brunt of those few that were. Please don’t think I’m saying that our military as a whole is deserving of all being lumped in with those few that are dishonorable, I’m just pointing out that to a lot of people they don’t separate the two. One bad person, often times in the minds of the public, means all people associated with said person are bad as well. This is something we can change though. It is obviously a tricky subject. Let’s move forward with tact, maturity, and an eye towards the victims, both of rape and of false accusations, as we look toward the future.
Whoever said rape is often proven fake is basically an asshole.
Rape is real.
And it happens all the time. Everywhere.
@RazielV - Seriously, this shouldn’t have to come down to numbers because it’s all semantics. But whatever, if you’re so insistent on it. Women make up 14% of the United States military, with women taking part in 91% of the Army career fields, where practical. Don’t believe? Look here and here.
“Women bring consensus building skills and unique strategies to problem solvign that provide a learning environment and promote creativity.”
“In an interview in 1975, Adolf Hitler’s Weapons Production Chief, Albert Speer, talks about the value of women and the contribution to the U.S. Military by stating, “How wise you were to bring your women into your military and into your labor force. Had we done that initially as you did, it could well have affected the whole course of the war. We would have found out, as you did, that women are equally effective and for some skills, superior to males.”
Even if you don’t take any of that into account, using the commonly held belief (myself included) that women do not belong on the front line, who do you think will defend the homeland while all those men are off fighting for us? If you remove the women then divide the force into those over there and those over here, we would be spread too thin. In fact, our military is already spread too thin — and that’s including women. Are you satisfied now, or do you expect me to do your research on that too.
Get off your high horse, stop being such a masogynist and get the heck over yourself.
@MyJudas - You do realize that this holiday isn’t just for any soldier, right? It’s for those veterans who fought for this country and died.
I am sad that you would post something like this on Memorial Day. I love our countries’ veterans and you should support them. Shame on you.
rape isnt the kind of thing a girl jokes about. if she says somebody raped her, chances are he actually did.
Under reported.
Definitely under.
@RedheadAblaze - First off, I never said I wanted women out of the Army. Or our armed forces. Contrary to your misguided notions of misogyny (which is the actual spelling, mind you), I support the equal rights between men and women. I was contending your equally misguided statements and pushing you to provide fact over opinion. I fully support anyone who is willing to enter the force, be they men, women, straight, gay, white, black, brown, or whatever other demographic one falls under. Stick to the argument, and avoid ad hominem attacks on me. It only discredits you further.
Your posting of those statistics only enforces my stance, however. You contend that by removing women, the entire US armed forces would “collapse”. Unfortunately, your numbers don’t match your argument. This is not to undercut the hard work that women do put into their military careers, but to emphasise that you are talking of a minority in the armed forces (14% total), and that putting the entire lifeblood of the armed forces on those numbers is incorrect.
The armed forces would still run based on those numbers. Not as effectively as they do now, but they would still run. Your statement was that our forces would flat out collapse, which you just proved to be untrue with your findings. No, this is not semantics. You cannot make a statement such as: “Women are known to be far more analytical than men” without providing proof behind it. Nor can you claim that any form of business or military power can or cannot run with/without a certain element without fact to back up your opinion.
Were YOU to attempt such a “logical” move as this to promote a battle strategy, you’d be laughed off the field. Or end up causing countless casualties. You need proof, plan, strategy, and data to make statements such as yours. Thankfully, you wisened up just enough to post the data, but not enough to actually READ the data, and understand what they mean.
As for your psychological/physiological arguments, I present the following: http://www.psychologymatters.org/research/action/difference.aspx
and
http://www.apa.org/research/action/share.aspx
Enjoy.
Oh, and if you’re going to attempt to mock my intellect, at least know how to spell basic words, and where to put question marks. Your grammar is worse than a teenager’s. It also doesn’t bode well for your argument. Perhaps you’re not the best spokesperson for your cause.
Rape is a highly under-reported crime. In their lifetime, 1 out of every 4 women will be raped — 1 out of every 6 men. The statistics rise dramatically for people who are already victims of rape: over HALF of all rape victims will become victims of rape again.
The fact that people say women use rape as a way to get back at men they hate makes me sick.
Also, someone using the argument that DNA testing proves a suspect to be innocent is a load of BS — given the fact that such a large number of all rape kits go UNTESTED.
Rape is still seen as a non-crime by so many people that victims don’t see any justice in reporting the crime and going through all of the hoops proving they were victimized afterward. In a rape case, the victim is guilty until proven innocent.
The irony: if rape happens to a child, the same people who say adult victims are lying will call for the suspected pedophile’s penis on a platter.
@anduel - you’re an ass. Rape isn’t something to joke about.
As to those who say posting something like this on Memorial Day is shameful — I disagree. Ignoring the fact that women in the military are being raped by their male counterparts is what is shameful. Men and women — like my great-grandfather, my grandfather, my four great-uncles, and my two uncles — who so willingly put on a uniform and fought for this country and every single citizen in it, did NOT sacrifice their lives and time with their families so that other men can put on a uniform and then rape a woman without consequence.
@jmmouton - Well said!
@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Again.. we aren’t necessarily picking out any individual.
And honestly? If Memorial Day means I need to have respect for a rapist, I’ll just take the school day instead.
@poetofjoy22 - Unless you’re raping a clown.
@jmmouton - I couldn’t have said it better myself. Thank you
Wow. I honestly had no idea. Like it never even crossed my mind. I feel naive. Where is the good in this fricken world?!
@Sounds0fLaughter - And honestly? If Memorial Day means I need to have respect for a rapist, I’ll just take the school day instead.
Sorry, but such thinking is not honest. Men who rape women are not being honored on Memorial Day. Men and women who died defending the American Way are honored on Memorial Day.
under-reported.
@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - In that case, this post isn’t disrespectful at all.
Definitely under reported.
Underreported, When at trial the lawyers dig into the past of a woman and a moment of promiscuity in the past help them shape this women into someone who has a shady past, and therefore a liar. It is a sad sad situation.
@RedheadAblaze - So you tell me… please tell me. When is it okay to talk about rape? Is there rules? Only talk about it on the weekends? Should we avoid holidays? Do we have to cry? Should we look distraught? What are your rules for talking about rape? I’d like to know… because someday we might both need them and I’d really not want to upset anyone in the process. You know, because heaven forbid if anyone else has to give up a small amount of honor to hear my voice.
Vastly under
@Lady_Kelacy - I agree. Under-reported raped, over-reported false rapes. It was the stigma of a white girl crying rape that stopped me for reporting my own. I didn’t want the media storm swarming.
Most definitely under reported.
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I would say actual rape is under…false ones of course over…I know from experience that reporting an actual rape is such an emotional “rape” in and of itself…it’s unreal to me that any woman would want to say this has happened to her when it didn’t…the world is so messed up. I tried to press charges against the man who raped me…the accusations against ME by the “authorities” was more than I could stand, they made me out to be the “bad guy”…nothing ever happened to the rapist. I spent 8 years of therapy to “get over” it…Keep up the controversy Dan…lol
Waidmanns heil!
Meta-reference a post more than a year old?
Really?
You must be low on ideas, my religious-zealot friend.
How about letting only criminals go in the army and leave the innocents behind, safe in their homes with family?
under.
I agree with you, rape is the worst thing that can happen to any woman, I know it happened to me, so I know that anything is possible, a woman can be raped where ever she is.
I think that it’s extremely under reported. Women suffer alot of shame and self-loathing after an attack.
I’d definitely say that it’s under reported, particularly because there’s so much he said/she said involved that victims are afraid of being told that they’re just whores or just accusing someone that they dislike of rape. It’s really a shame.
I’m in the military and female, so I’ll say this thank you for trying to bring up a point that often goes unnoticed. Sadly, many of your viewers completely missed the point of the original post and got offended by some sarcasm, but if they had half a brain they would have realized you were trying to alert people to the statistics of women being raped in the military. A big part of the reason it goes unreported or does not recieve justice is due to the fact that most people are raped by someone they already know, alcohol is usually involved, and many people are afraid of being ostracized by their fellow members.
News like this are always under reported. I feel bad for those women out there in the military who are always ill-treated.
@hollowhopes - Got ya. — If we are looking at it in that sense, I totally agree. Privacy in an uncomfortable situation is often the biggest step to healing.
@anduel - how could “talk of rape” make you “horny”? you must be some sick person to think something like that is a turn on…
@interludeB - how dare you make fun of my illness!?
Under reported!
I think it is under-reported.
@Lady_Kelacy - I think you hit the nail on the head here… breaking it into those categories makes the issue quite a bit clearer.
I also think its worth noting how many of these cases are just a judicial nightmare. When social workers/psychologists try and delve into WHY rape isn’t 100% reported, they pretty quickly hit some issues… the most common one being the person raped was high/drunk/said-yes-but-no-later type of thing. Its great to be sympathetic, after-the-fact, but our legal system just isn’t built to handle that type of vagary. Is it rape if one or both parties is on an illegal drug? Engaged to each other? Previous partners? All of these are relatively common questions, and while we’d like to shout a resounding “Yes, its a crime!”, its never that simple in a courtroom.
I’m not sure what would make women feel more comfortable about reporting rape… repealing the Sixth? Confidential courts? WPP centers specifically devoted to the idea? Its a question worth asking.
Can you clarify your 8% and 40% statistic? Do you mean, actually went to trial? Or had some legal action taken? Filings, settlements, what? The military often takes disciplinary action outside of its own legal system… however I’m not sure civilians have access to those records.
Thanks for posting this. Way underreported.
Just so you know, the original purpose of Memorial Day was to honor ALL of the dead, military or otherwise. It was a day for all people to remember and honor loved ones who are no longer living. You raise a valid point about rape and the military and I know rape is highly underreported, but I just don’t think it’s an appropriate topic for Memorial Day.
I think rape is under reported definitely. I was never raped and I hope it stays that way, but I was almost in the situation once and once was enough to make sure I kept myself away from those types of things. I’m not saying women put themselves in that situation purposely because I don’t think they do and I also know it’s impossible to keep yourself entirely out of those situations because if someone is going to come after you like that there’s a hard way of knowing until it’s actually happening. I never reported what happened to me because the action didn’t actually take place and I’m not going to be thought of as crying wolf so I let the situation fall, but if I had ever found out he had actually raped someone after me I definitely would have felt really guilty. I think some girls get scared of reporting rape because they’re scared of how others might perceive them and they get scared of what might happen when the rapist finds out. Interesting post. I never really thought of women in the army getting raped more than killed. It definitely makes sense though.
I think rape is seriously under reported, especially in an male dominate environment like the military. It’s true that there are women who falsely report rape and they just cause more problems for the women who have been raped.
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It’s definitely under-reported. I never reported it; I don’t even really remember it. I blocked it out, so how could I report it? I think that happens to a lot of women, then they end up with this fear of men that they don’t understand. Did you know being raped makes you more likely to be raped again?
under-reported definitely
I’d say rape is most likely under reported. The problem with your post is that yes, military has a problem with sexual assault but so do college campuses, and so does the rest of the world.
Your statistic that women are more likely to be sexually assaulted than killed in combat aren’t really saying much considering that women are not allowed to enlist in certain high risk MOS such as infantry, artillery, combat engineer, or special forces. I’m a male in the military and I’m sure that I’m more likely to be raped than killed in combat due to the nature of my MOS and the fact that I don’t really participate in combat actions. A lot of people don’t understand that not everyone who goes to Iraq or Afghanistan experiences the true face of war.
Also the 8 percent appearing in “courts” is not surprising either if you do a little research the UCMJ. I think the military’s uniformed victim advocates program is working.
I would say that it is probably in bad taste to refer to memorial day as rape day just because of some outrageous sounding statistic that isn’t. I’m sure civilian lawyers, administrative staff, and electronics technicians are more likely to be raped than killed in combat as well.
just right, so long as all the ones i’ve done aren’t getting talked about.
under reported.
so many women are accused of ‘falsly’ accusing a man of rape. that’s sick to not believe them, rape is a serious issue; therefor needs to be taken seriously.
@Endrath - I’m not sure, since the article isn’t clear about where that stat came from. But I suspect they are not military *law enforcement* stats, but social services stats- which are very, very different and can not be compared to civilian law enforcement statistics, because they do not refer to the same type of report. For example, if someone who is a military family member today sought counselling for an assault that occurred when she was a child- that would count as a “report” for a military community services agency. Even though it had nothing to do with the military at the time, it’s still “reported” because the military provides so many services. In fact, those services are a big part of why so many people are comfortable reporting things within the military that would normally go unreported in a civilian community. For example, if you had a class on male-on-male sex assault and you remembered that college party where some skeezy guy got you drunk, and mentioned it after class, and were referred for counselling- that’s a “report,” from a social services perspective. But the military would have no authority to go back to your old fraternity and arrest anyone for it. The military does track crime stats on it’s bases- and because of the demographics of a military community, they are typically exceedingly low. That’s the other reason I am very skeptical of how the numbers are being used in the story that was linked to. To me, it looks the reporter just wrote what he or she were told, and didn’t do any research of his or her own.
@resnovae - I agree with your skepticism… thanks for the info on military handlings, that’s very useful!
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Under, unfortunately. And a good portion of it is due to victim blaming and rape culture.
Also, I feel I should add that only 1.6% of reported rapes turn out to be false.
As a vet, I can tell you that SOME not all woman in the military have used the Rape cry to bring someone down, whether because they were a superior or an ex flame. Yes, there are real rape cases in the military and yes the statistics are drastic, but the statistics of woman selling their vagina for money are high too, especially when deployed. I know of two ladies in particular who cried rape against someone who they wanted a relationship with, but it wasnt mutual. Yes, alcohol was involved, but both cases were very consenting, as the first woman attacked the guy while we were still in the room, and the second was captured on video. Both cases were dismissed, and were overturned after confession.
Also, here’s a question: Why sell condoms and birth control while deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan at the local base exchange if sex is supposed to be outlawed while deployed?? We saw numerous amounts of Chlamydia being spread by a single Army woman who was commonly selling her body (while her fiance’ was in just a few hours away at another Forward Operating Base)
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