June 26, 2010
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Objectifying Men
I was just reading an article by a feminist where she indicated there is nothing wrong with objectifying men such as the soccer players.
She felt it was harmless for women to drool over the men.
She did not think men were suffering in any real way to have women drool over them. Women, on the other hand, are not taken seriously if they are the victim of objectification. She also felt that the men had healthy bodies where women are expected to get boob jobs or be unhealthy and skinny. Here is the link: Link
Is it hypocritical for women to drool over the bodies of men?
Comments (150)
It is hypocritical for feminist types who complain about males ogling them. For women who don’t give a shit, nah.
I think that’s kind of hypocritical, yeah. It pushes that “be a macho man” crap on us.
@Paul_Partisan - Yup.
I think it’s fine to objectify either sex in a social setting.
Never in a professional setting.
And maybe sometimes in a romantic setting (depends on the people really).
Absolutely. Having a penis and not needing a boob job does not make it okay for women to treat men like drool-worthy objects. Women get pissed off if someone stares at their boobs, why wouldn’t a man be angry if a woman stares at his package or abs?
/facepalm
I objectify everyone but not in a sexual way I treat all people as things to be moved about like furniture.
Nope, I completely agree. Men hold women as sex symbols, well, some to most do. Women may drool but they tend to think of other things too, such as “Oh he’s such a great father” or “I heard he has a Masters..” That sort of thing. (Not to say guys don’t do this, but it really is rare to hear)
It’s different for women. When women are objectified, it puts us at danger for things such as rape. Men don’t have to deal with possible consequences of being “objectified” whereas we do.
yep
no
i want to make sweet love to christiano ronaldo RIGHT NOW.
Only if they think it’s wrong for men to drool over women.
To me, objectification occurs when all someone cares about is another person’s looks. You know, treating someone like an object.
But different people have different definitions. If a woman would not be drooled over, she should not do the same to a man.
I don’t really see a problem with it
Whatever. I drool over both.
@KyohakuMegami - Twilight’s changing that for men.
meh… depends on the extreme, both ways.
Different consequences for women being objectified as opposed to men, but it really is hypocritical anyway. If a feminist likes to drool over ANY human life-form but hates it when it happens to her, she’s warped. lol how silly. So she can be attracted to a man enough to ogle and drool over them but a man can’t be the same?
I don’t like it when people stare at anyone that way. Find something better to do =P
this is the main reason women watch world cup
i don’t know any men who’d complain. wooooo.
@CallMeQuell - you’re so greedy. geez.
Feminism has done far more harm to women than good.
Personally, I don’t mind women objectifying me, but if they want to get to know me, they had better respect more about me than, well, my masculinity. I think the feminist who wrote the article is mostly right. Frankly, I think it’s nice that American women are admiring a more natural male physique, one that isn’t padded by chest armor and shoulder pads and fed on steroids and 10,000 calories a day.
Men enjoy being objectified. Otherwise, they wouldn’t wear those sexy baggy shorts and knee socks.
If it’s wrong for men to drool over women, the it is wrong for women to drool over men.
I have played a lot of beach volley. The women wear skimpy, sexy bikinis and the guys just wear shorts. We are among the most physically beautiful people ever. But you just get to the point were you enjoy the beauty and feel its effect twanging all through your body. It’s part of the game and we just enjoy being around awesome, healthy athletes.
Objectification is really a head trip and just doesn’t compare to feeling a man’s physicality bone deep while engaging in great sports activities.
@Paul_Partisan - Agreed.
I think one of the big differences isn’t that us women like to look at men, but that we can do without sexually harassing the person. There isn’t any of that “Hey, sweet tits, why don’t you and I…” crap. We look. We fantasize. That’s it. Men take it overboard and it puts women in dangerous situations. Honestly, I wish I was objectified by men more often. I have my husband, he loves me for everything, not just the physical…but sometimes it’s nice to have that reassurance that you’ve still got ‘it’. lol
My mom made my dad buy her some magazine with all the world cup hot guys in it so she could pick a team and watch with him. Hahaha. I forget which one she picked but she said it was the one with the hottest guy.
no problem. hell, there are men i drool over !…………………shit, did i say that out loud ?
I don’t think a man would be offended if a woman drooled over his body.
but yes, it’s hypocritical.
@this_fever - agreed. Our bodies are more sensual- we have to cover up more parts! People can easily see how well endowed we are but when it comes to men, not so much. So, no, men and women are not exactly on equal footing when it comes to eye candy.
Depends on the kind of drooling involved. You can appreciate a fit, healthy, gorgeous person without objectifying in a demeaning way. As an artist I need to be aware of bodies and anatomy, right? (best lame excuse ever?) But seriously, I take note of men and women. It doesn’t turn me on, but I do love a lovely physique. It’s really a beauty to behold, male or female.
i don’t like that you specified the writer as a feminist… not that it’s wrong, it’s just tiresome because it reinforces the idea that feminists are hypocritical and don’t know what they’re talking about. this individual does not represent all feminists.
personally, i think there’s a difference between objectification (reducing an individual to an object) and admiration. I don’t think it’s wrong to admire men OR women for what they look like- models and such- so long as we’re not expecting beauty to equate to goodness of person.
I think objectifying either person is wrong. Objectification occurs when you are making the person not a person- and this doesn’t necessarily mean just highlighting the fact that they are attractive/only admiring them for their looks. Objectification also involves specifically manipulating the viewer into seeing them as an object- like if it’s a woman, you cut off her head and only focus on her boobs. Cutting off the head in a shot de-humanizes people and it makes us forget our compassion for others.
So I guess I don’t really think soccer players are necessarily being objectified… I guess it depends on the context. I don’t even watch soccer. Do they drool because the players are skilled/how they move (admiration for talent) or JUST because of how they look? If you’re appreciating them as people and not objects, is it really objectification…??
It’s hypocrisy. Objectification is objectification, doesn’t matter which sex is in discussion.
of course it’s hypocritical– it’s a double-standard in our society, but i can live with that. i wouldn’t want to watch any sport with that type of woman though — it will just be a flurry of comments on who’s cute and who has nice hair.
I have pointed this out for years, usually after every movie Brad Pitt is in and women go nuts, but if I say a female is hot in a movie I am a perv and shallow.
Ever seen the movie Shallow Hal? I wish that movie was made in reverse, so the woman was the shallow one, the stereotype is always the other way around and men are all looked at as scumbags.
@ScarletMoth - I’m with her.
those hard work that goes into training deserves to be appreciated.
@quicksandbuddy - hah, well. I don’t watch Twilight… :p
yeh well the tides were going to turn at some point
This post made me laugh and there is one sure thing we can all depend on and that is as long as we remain human we will drool over another human that is just one thing we can bet on and win cause it is just going to happen
OMG YES. If a bunch of girls r checking out a cute guy or smt there wudn’t be much controversy. if a group of guys r checking out a cute girl suddenly it’s like “omg those guys r such pervs…” and they might start getting ideas that somehow the guys will rape the girl… = =.
omg soccer men are so FREAKN HOT!!! god, *DROOLS*
So I find that I have this utter distaste for women who claim they are feminists.I have no problem with feminists– just the ones who CLAIM they’re feminists.
Usually it’s those, who just think women should have more liberties than men.
feminists are such likable people.
they’re celebrities, they’re public domain to be ogled. they’re primary purpose is to futbol (yes i used it as a verb), they just happen to be pretty as well =) women in public domain on the other hand usually have pressure to look good in order to be accepted. no goals for them.
she makes a good point. but, technically it is hypocritical. and even if for no other reason than to maintain a respectable image, she shouldn’t do it to a point where she wouldn’t want it done to her. otherwise she makes it seem like she holds her gender higher than the other.
*drooling over your picture of Rondino(is that is name ? lol im bad with names sorry)**
what what were you asking ?
nothing wrong with that really
I hate how you paint this negative picture of feminists. Way to reinforce negative stereotypes of feminists even though the person in that article hardly represents the majority of real, good feminists.
@ScarletMoth - i love your comment.
yes, it’s hypocritical. “feminists” like that make me cringe and give the cause a bad reputation. she does not represent all feminists. and i think it’s perfectly natural for people to drool over other people, regardless of gender. hot people are appealing.
right now i’m drooling over about half the spanish team. particularly, david villa and fernando torres are hot pieces of man candy.
Doesn’t anyone ever think of the opposite extremes? Oh sure, men who have healthy bodies can be ogled without worrying about them, but those men are athletes who train to be fit. Going off of an American point of view, we don’t all seem to be in shape. I certainly don’t have a nice body. I don’t even have much of a face. (I blame the glasses) I know my more attractive male friends were ogled over during high school. Honestly, almost all of them were. I got to be the normal kid, and there were the two “ugly” guys in our group. I don’t think it helps that by putting ourselves near other attractive males, we get pushed aside. I’ve never really felt “handsome” or “dashing” or anything that really fits what men who get ogled over have.
On the other hand, I seem to have lower standards. Anything like a more curvaceous body, full kissable lips, breath-taking eyes, etc. are all pluses, not requirements. Maybe I’m just out of the norm, but I really try to force myself to never stare. I wouldn’t say I’m shy, but I’m just being polite. A girl who I find attractive isn’t necessarily a model, and people I have cared for in the past were not goddesses. (to the general public) Now, when people are plain out objectifying other people in public, I feel a little disgusted and out of place. The only compliments I really hear in real life are from family and semi-emotional “you’re better looking than me” moments between my male friends . . . doesn’t happen often.
If you’re going to be a pervert, please be private about it. Male or female, don’t be an ass. You can stare at one, just don’t be one.
i’ll drool over anything i wanna drool over!
@the_rocking_of_socks - Women get mad if someone stares at their boobs? I thought about that for a minute and it doesn’t really seem so. Women wear their boobs are accessories these days, hoping it will give them a little self esteem. It doesn’t seem like most women mind people looking at all.
I think it’s fine for men to drool over women and for women to drool over men. It’s harmless enough, from a distance anyway and surely everyone likes to be appreciated?
No
How can drooling be hypocritical??? It’s hypocritical to tell women they are stupid to care about being admired for their looks by men – to be admired by the other gender is a pretty high priority for most people. It’s wicked to tell men they are wicked for admiring the appearance of women, but only dummies are hurt by such wickedness, improves the gene pool I guess. BUT – all things in moderation – there is more to life than be admired by the other gender – the immoderate pay a price – boob jobs cost a lot, and not just money.
@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace - Ah! You are a jokster-troll of sorts and not a religious nut case. I thought maybe but that was the first time I had ever come across your site. Have fun doing what you do. Hopefully you do it smart. There are a lot of silly unentertaining trolls and very few funny/smart ones.
Maybe. But in a harmless way. After all, as she said, those men are simply HEALTHY. They didn’t have to starve themselves to look that way or have cosmetic surgery. They don’t even have to fuss with hair and makeup. On the other hand, almost every female in the media has to do ALL that, and then they STILL airbrush their photos!
Not only do young men look at those artificial faces and bodies as the IDEAL, but so do young women. I looked at my father’s Playboys when I was a little girl, and knew from the get-go that my brand new boobs were not right! And I felt so much shame and humilation. When men gave me compliments, I thought they were just saying that to get into my pants, and couldn’t possibly mean it. It’s only been in recent years that I realized my boobs look fantastic! And all those years that I was ashamed of them were just a waste of my energy.
i’d sexually harass the german football team… however, i’m not sure if this stems from revenge for their years of slavic oppression or pure lust… i’m going to go with both!
oh, that was a bit of a joke. men and women = entirely equal except if we’re talking reproduction (once people realise this {and romantic comedies die} discussions like this will be much easier.)
1) Men enjoy it way more than we do 2) they dont suffer the same harm by it that women do, as she explained 3) something about turnabout.
LOL. I don’t personally objectify men all that much myself. I try to treat them with respect. But then again maybe a half-naked man post is in order.
@ScarletMoth - I agree <3
After however many decades of Playboy and Hustler being around, I think we’ve earned the right to drool over a few shirtless footballers.
As long as they lick the spit off afterwards and then use their tongues to even greater effect, I don’t care if it is hypocritical.
I actively observe and evaluate both males and females alike. I do see her point, but also see how this could easily be construed as “hypocritical.” Hm, tough call. Men are decidedly much more visual than women, in general. To each their own opinion!
@MonkeeAramda - lol you’re my hero.
Exactly what @Paul_Partisan - said.
wow, obviously a radical feminist. we need more humanists.
She does make some valid points, such as male bodies being shown in a more realistic light than female bodies.
But I think it’s not ALWAYS bad for either gender to “drool over” an attractive person. We are physical beings, as well as emotional, spiritual, and intellectual beings. And being physical beings, we have the ability to find each other physically attractive. There’s nothing wrong with drooling over an attractive person, so long as you realize that is not all they are, and you don’t go out and act on your desires without the other person’s consent.
I like the way men look especially when their bodies are fit however I can already see my own reaction if I was to be constantly stared at and criticized and observed. Double standards=no bueno.
I don’t care how any of you sanctify it or justify it. We all objectify people at one point or another. I’ve done it, you’ve done it, shut up, move on.
And particularly on this topic, I feel more women objectify men for their status (a penis with a wallet as some say) than just their looks so either way eh.
I hope someone’s cleaning up all this drool…
Everyone should be sensible when it comes to “drooling” over others. I think it is fine for men to check out women, it’s normal. To hoot and holler or say “nice tits”, that is a bit far. Women are generally hide the fact that they’re checking out a male. I kind of agree with the standard that men have to live up to being more healthy than the woman standard. It is coming down to it being equal though.
People should just be concerned with being healthy. Women don’t need a huge rack and tiny waist to be healthy, just the same as men don’t need abs and huge biceps to be healthy.
I check out both genders, but I don’t drool over them. I just appreciate them.
That feminist is being hypocritical.
I don’t think it’s hurting either side just to look. Some people are attractive. Appreciating that is not a bad thing.
Don’t be creepy about it. This goes for both sides although it’s usually more likely for men to be creepy towards women.
I’m confused. Why are some commentators above assuming that men (as in, ALL men in the world) stares at a woman and automatically wants to rape her or something of the like? Don’t you recognize the initial problem already? Women jump to conclusions too much. Anyway, I understand what the author of the article is trying to say, but I disagree with it. I don’t even think she’s feminist, she’s just using that as an excuse to get away with things. If she wants equality in this world, she better damn be able to let things like this happen without giving the stupid, “but I’m a woman” excuse.
There’s nothing wrong with appreciating how well there genetics/workout routine has treated them, as long as it’s in a respectful manner. The difference with women looking and men looking is in how they talk to the person they are appreciating.
@Megan@revelife - You’d be wrong there. But if you would rather go ahead and live a few centuries ago, I’m sure you would change your mind. (Or even a few decades ago.)
Haha…of COURSE they do! Because feminists were never really concerned with equality at all. They are concerned about SUPERIORITY!
@boilingicicle - how so? I mean, if you’re with her on the point that men are drooled over for looking healthy, while women are drooled over for looking unnatural/fake, I’m with you on that, but I don’t see how it can be better to objectify one sex and not the other. After all, perfectly normal looking healthy women can/are also objectified.
@Paul_Partisan - exactly.
Hey we all like a little drool whether we are male or female. I even appreciate a little slobber from time to time. Nothing wrong with a man or woman appreciating a good looking member of the opposite sex, or same sex, whatever ones choice may be to look at and drool. So to those who choose to drool out in the open, or to the closet droolers, I say, “Drool On!!
@KyohakuMegami - Women are no damn different, don’t lie to yourself.
It’s hypocritical if they want to get pissy when a guy drools all over them. And boob jobs, and size zero pants may be what the MEDIA expects out of women but I know guys who LOVE thicker girls, or girls with bushy eyebrows, or girls who are short. It’s all about preferrence. And just like she wouldn’t appreciate women be grouped up and classified as all being gold-diggers, I’m sure men don’t all want to be grouped up and classified as shallow.
I’m not even a guy and that offended me. >.<
At first glance it would seem that if it’s not OK for men to objectify women, it’s also not OK for women to objectify men. But @this_fever has a point. Men tend to have superior upper body strength, be more aggressive and more likely to take what they want. While it still crosses a line to only see a person as a object for gratification, there’s a great deal more danger when a man does it.
@Megan@revelife - Totally!! Feminism is a curse.
It’s absolutely not ok for women to objectify men, and it’s absolutely not ok for men to objectify women. I hate to see men do it, but I hate just as much to see it happen to them. I guess I’m just old fashioned.
A blazing hot day in the middle of summer a couple years ago – big house fire, flames blowing out the windows and we’re the first crew on scene. Kick in the door, drag in the line, put out the fire. When we come out, sweating, smelling like burnt trash, covered in soot and smoke, we went to the back of the ladder truck and started pulling our gear off; helmet, air pack, coat, open the front of our bunker pants just to get some air on us.
We hadn’t noticed the half dozen or so college-aged girls across the street so much until they started whistling and whooping it up as we dropped our gear. I felt kind of objectified, and it was one of the most memorable moments of my career.
I couldn’t agree more with @Megan@revelife - . I think most feminists in general are hypocritical.
I’m sorry, what was the question? I was too busy objectifying that particularly good looking man.
I don’t see anything wrong with drooling over them. I would try to refrain from saying inappropriate things that would make it bad.
WHO GIVES A FUCK.
@Born261YearsTooLate - Shame on you for not taking advantage of those swooning girls, they were practically frothing at the mouth for you. I would’ve had a buddy sneak in a puppy that I could cradle running out of the smoke… thus seeming even more heroic.
No I kid, but seriously, I would.
@ScarletMoth - Oh no I meant to say I’m with you; I didn’t realize it was a vague statement.
@cheesebadger - I’m with you too
@boilingicicle - oh! haha.
These are the types of feminists I can’t stand; it gives us a bad name.
I believe in EQUALITY. I believe that men and women should be treated the same. I think we all need to treat each other with equal respect which means not ogling them.
…wait, what was the question?
@sarahvega - I disagree. I totally think women are different. It’s been proven that women are more emotional and men are more physical. It’s just how it is.
I think everyone takes everything way too seriously.
When a man stares at my tits, which happens often as I’m a 34DDD+, I just think “Hahaha, what a fucking tool he can’t even pay attention” or something along those lines. I don’t get all pissy about it. Even if they objectify me, I know I’m more than that and I don’t need them treating me like I am for me to believe it.
I openly ogle men all the time. If you have a nice set of abs and don’t want me to stare at it, then I suggest you put your shirt back on. The same rules should apply to men as to women. Women are expected to cover up when we don’t want to be stared at, so men should too. It’s just common sense. I will say though that men normally have to seriously be naked for women to notice them. If you’re in slacks and a button up shirt like any man would be in an office, no one is going to look twice at him. If women were to run around shirtless all over the place like men do, I’m pretty sure men would be rendered useless to society.
Bottom line, if you don’t want people to stare… COVER YO SHIT UP, SON!
@KyohakuMegami - Emotional is not the opposite of physical. Logical would be the opposite of physical. It has been proven that men based their thoughts more on LOGIC rather than emotions, get your facts straight.
The only reason you say that women are less lusty is because we’re not supposed to be. We’re socialized to HIDE it. It doesn’t mean we’re any different in actuality.
@CallMeQuell - awesome. thanks for that
Just because women might drool over men doesn’t mean they disrespect the guy. A lot of guys who drool over women disrespect her. That is not okay.
Oh snap, a double standard! Then again, when women are objectified, the are sometimes the victims of sexual assault, in varying degrees, something that is not as big a problem for me.
@sarahvega - Same difference to me. I’m not saying we’re less lusty either. If anything, we can be more so. I’m just saying the brains work differently, that’s all.
whoever wrote that is pretty ignorant and idiotic. I don’t think anyone likes to be objectified; if some guy has a perfect-looking body that all women crave, that becomes the “standard” that all males are expected to live up to and for those men who cannot achieve the ideal, they’re ignored and neglected far worse than how much non-ideal women seem to “suffer.” this is why 1/3 of eating disorder patients are male (fact).
@KyohakuMegami - Not in this case they don’t.
@PEEKatchuXD - I was sure I read somewhere that only about 20% of people with eating disorders are male. Source?
@sarahvega - let’s just agree to disagree shall we?
@sarahvega - I took a college class about gender and the body and was introduced to an eating disorder called Bigorexia, which is somewhat “reverse-anorexia”, where men bulk up their bodies through the use of steroids and constant gym use for the main purpose of “regaining” their masculine image by looking muscular.
@PEEKatchuXD - Is it part of the DSM? I don’t recall reading about that when I studied psychology.
@Megan@revelife - aside from getting women the rights to vote and get jobs, sure….
@PEEKatchuXD - Oh you must mean muscle dysmorphia. That disorder alone may be prevalent in 30% of men however in the U.S. the prevalence of an eating disorder such as anorexia or bulimia isn’t nearly that high. “Bigorexia” isn’t considered an eating disorder conventionally speaking.
There is a significant number of men with eating disorders yes but it’s nowhere near 30%.
I really don’t see how she’s a “feminist” if she says that….lame.
@ironsheek22 - Joke’s on you, I’m actually a dog!
@should_I_Tell_You - excellent comment, I agree 100%! I, too, admire men for their particular qualities — broad shoulders, direct eyes, etc. Of course I’ll notice a good looking guy in public, but I won’t be disrespectful.
i don’t think objectifying is quite the same as admiring the attractiveness of a member of the opp sex.
Just to point something out – there are different types of feminists. Not all feminists would agree that it would be okay to objectify a man. Vengeance doesn’t necessarily help create equality, which is the ultimate end goal for the majority of feminists.
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Oh, didn’t you know? Everything is okay– sexism, gender roles and stigma, objectification, all of it– as long as it’s against men. Because everyone knows men are beneath women. Men are pigs. Men are single-minded, polygamous, lying, cheating, stealing, warmongering dogs.
Ha, ha.
I say its not fair
why can’t we all just happily enjoy the world’s eye candy?
You cannot have a double-standard and still consider the sexes equal. If you say, it is acceptable to view the opposite sex in a certain way that you must not consider it offensive if you are viewed the same way. By “objectifying” someone in the true since of the word we are accepting them for their utility value only, and must recognize it is fair for them to view us the same way. If we approve of someone because they are attractive we cannot expect them to approve of us on the same level if we are unattractive.
The major thing that’s stupid about that article is that it assumes that objectification is only done by ACTUAL men/women looking at ACTUAL women/men. Most objectification is achieved by means of the MEDIA. Duh. This is what all the scandal about everything from “is it ok for Demi to appear pregnant on Vanity Fair’s cover” to the more recent “are they digitally skinnifying models now?” is all about.
So: for one, it is therefore stupid to say that “men don’t need to worry because they’re not going to be raped by their objectifiers.” That comment is stupid for a few too many reasons for me to get into here.
And: objectification hurts everyone (again, and it’s done by the media, not by “real people”). How does it do this? Media objectification immediately dehumanizes. It gives you a pretty picture that maybe you drool over or idealize or envy or hate or a thousand other reactions, while all the time, you don’t know crap about that person as a human being. It’s precisely the humanity that it cuts out.
And: looking at real people on the street is therefore a specifically and QUALITATIVELY different type of looking.
And: How fucking sick do I have to be of people thinking someone’s hot and immediately calling that “objectification”? Thinking someone is hot is simply THINKING SOMEONE’S HOT. That’s all. Objectification is DEHUMANIZING THAT PERSON. So maybe if you’re looking at some soccer player’s abs and getting off, or looking JUST at some chick’s boobs, you’re objectifying, but really, it’s not easy to do that if you’re human. It’s only easy to objectify people if you’re a television set.
Yeah, thanks. We now return you to your regularly scheduled World Cup. Enjoy!
@Megan@revelife - I AGREE!!
As the recipient of unwanted male attention, I can understand how it can also be uncomfortable for men as well.
It is what it is…LOL….
I don’t think she’s much of a feminist because she said that comment. In a way, it kind of goes against the true definition of “feminist”: a person who believes in equal rights/opportunities/etc of both sexes.
I’d prefer you made the distinction between feminists and pseudo-feminists.
I don’t fucking drool over men and their so called “hot bodies”, no ta.
What do the men in question think about being seen as “eye candy”? Maybe they dont mind, did anybody fucking ASK THEM? Or did somone just sproat a load of crap? I think I know the answer. Look, I am a checkout girl and I get objectified but I don’t bitch and whine about it, I do actually have more important things to think about, maybe someone ought to take note.
I think it’s just human nature to gaze at what you enjoy seeing.
who cares? He’s so flipping sexy! *drools*
Nope. The double standard is what makes the world great.
She’s being hypocritical, but whatever. It’s okay for women to drool over men and for men to drool over women. It is a natural thing that we are meant to do as a sexually dimorphic species. Accept your biology and get over it.
@SomeoneInTheWolf -I definitely agree.
Paul_partisan summed it up lol, hypocritical only for feminists. Women are objectified all the time and men are beginning to be too. But besides that women are personally objectified all the time and you don’t see it happening to men. Checking out models, actresses… footballers is one thing, being called names etc doesn’t happen to men, not a whole lot anyway.
Yes.
“objectification occurs when all someone cares about is another person’s looks.”
I’m skeptical that this is even possible.
Maybe I’m just naive of how other people think… But it’s NEVER been just about looks for me. And I think it’s impossible to treat another person as an object. Treat another LIKE an object, sure… But you have to be a sociopath to actually treat someone no differently than you would an object. We’re way too conscious of each other as human beings.
Yes, it is. I don’t want to be objectified, and I wouldn’t do that to anyone else either.
Well, I think most women like it when men think they are beautiful, just as most men like it when women find them handsom and hot. Nothing wrong whatsoever with either. Only a bitter, confused feminist can say it’s fine for women to drool over men and terrible for men to drool over women.
mmmm Cristiano Ronaldo
nope, but it is fucking wrong for a woman to think that unhealthily skinny women are attractive.
I have a son who is very attractive, he plays sports and lifts weights, and the girls love him. I have seen him experience the things I have experienced in life as a woman, especially a younger woman. I became over weight for ten years and didn’t experience it, but have lost weight again, and find myself feeling those feelings of being objectified again. My son has had teachers flirting with him, and giving him what he wants because he’s so cute, and he’s gone to job interviews and gets told hes so cute (he’s 17 now, and this has happened in the past) yesterday he told us he put in a job application and the manager told him he’s cute, so he’s hoping that helps him get a job. My husband says “well there ya go”. Course we would like him to have a job, but I would like it to be because he has the qualities they are needing to make pizza or what have ya, not becuase he’s cute. These are adults that are doing the flirting and giving him jobs and such because he’s a good looking KID. But for some reason, it’s okay because he’s a boy. He has always had to deal with the double standard, the girls could spank his butt all day long and not one word is said to them by teachers, but if he was to spank a girls butt, he has everyone down his throat about it.
It is hypocritical of her.
It isn’t hypocritical of women to drool over men if they aren’t complaining vise versa.
I can’t keep my eyes off of those Japanese Soccer players ;D
Not to mention, i’m bi. So I drool over women too.
The difference is, I drool from afar and keep it to myself. It is absolutely not okay to drool all over someone in a rude and unwanted way!
Green light imo if they don’t complain about the reverse happening.
I think it is. I’m more upset when I see men doing it to women I have to admit, since it happens more. But two wrongs don’t make a right.
Yes, but it’s “okay.” It’s a double standard, just like seeing 2 women kissing is considered sexy and seeing 2 men kissing is gross.
Oh well.
There is certainly nothing wrong with recognizing beauty. You just have to have a little class about it; For example, not staring someone down when they walk by.
Sexual Inequality!
@the_rocking_of_socks - “why wouldn’t a man be angry if a woman stares at his package or abs?”
Is this a serious question? Alpha male dominance trait– men want to fuck everything that moves. Bars have no cover for women because the money comes from the covers and drink purchases of horny men trying to cum inside hot dames. The online figure is escaping me, but men must make up nearly 99% of johns, or purchasers of hookers. Of course men aren’t angry to be stared at; they spend their waking existences trying to get women to eye-fuck/really fuck them the same way they themselves eye-fuck those women.
Of course, some men are quite (hypocritically) bothered by being held to a similar standard of physical attractiveness as their female counterparts… but as you can see that was not the rhetorical question posited.
-LkVs
i don’t really care…i must say i’m loving all the world cup stuff.
Don’t know, I read an interview with Robert Pattinson a while back, and all the adoration by the Twilight girls really seems to be affecting him badly. If anyone’s been objectified, it’s him. Poor guy.
Aw, c’mon, why deny an eighty-one year old granny the pleasure???
I am a male amateur football player, but I’m also a stripper on a regular basis, and I’d say it’s worse to objectify women for the following reasons:
1: Context is usually preserved when objectifying men. For example: Yes, I’m required to pose in positions that’s related to being objectified, but I’m always presented as a football player and I do talk a bit about myself before the show starts. This preserves context.
2. As “KyohakuMegami” it’s a lot safer for us men to be objectified. Even when I do shows privately for a small group of women, I never have to be afraid about them going to far. Yes, very erotic touch occur, but the male stripper is in control.
3. The body type of typical male objects are healthier than our female counterparts. Make no mistake, we are expected to have ripped bodies and generally be “flawless”. I even circumcised before I started stripping. But even a very low % of fat is healthier for a man than a woman. Men are supposed to have less bodyfat than women. Also, there’s no pressure to have silicone.
4. Many men feel liberated to be objectified, it’s a welcome change of role from being the provider – the successful business man – to be able to relax a bit and be appreciated just in terms of looks.
5. Male objectification will contribute in the process of perpetuating myths such as “the male body is not beautiful”.
6. Not everyone may agree, but I’d say I have gotten more respect from my female friends. I have performed for many of them privately, and they respect me for daring to play with gender roles, to “turn the tables” and make an effort for them.