August 17, 2010
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Expectation of Molestation
Adrianne Curry, the former Next Top Model winner, has claimed she was molested by a “pervert at a Star Wars convention. The man attempted to reach up her skirt.
In the article, the author mentioned “dressed in an extremely skimpy Princess Leia bikini outfit.” Here is the link: Link
I also noticed in a discussion thread of fark.com that some people believed that her skimpy outfit might have played a role.
Do certain outfits worn by women carry an expectation for sexual harassment?
Comments (87)
no. isn’t this the same question people raise when it comes to rape?
It shouldn’t matter what someone wears, I think people should be able to keep their hands to themselves regardless of what someone wears.
Should it be expected? Yes. Should it be condoned? No.
Prosecute to the fullest extent of the law
@hilaw - Yes, it is the same question.
Just because she was wearing this beautiful, yet skimpy outfit, doesn’t mean that she ASKED the man the touch her. Besides that, she was probably PAID to wear this outfit at the convention.
If you wear a skimpy outfit, there is more of a chance that people will act inappropriately. However, it is still their fault when they do. Women should be able to wear whatever they want without having to worry about some creep harassing them.
It’s not the fact she wore that outfit, it’s the fact she was at a nerd convention with single, skanky guys that don’t get any.
Not an expectation so much as an explanation. Skimpy outfits are more risky, also other behior are risky. However, most agree that someone doing risky behavior does not excuse the perpatrator.
I think it depends on what you mean by “sexual harassment.”
If you’re wearing that outfit, and you -don’t- expect anyone to make sexual remarks (which could be “sexual harassment” in some people’s eyes), you’re an idiot. It might still be rude of them to do it, but… it’s probably going to happen.
But molestation/people trying to touch you? That shouldn’t be expected.
I think a Psychologist would say there is a “correlation” but it doesn’t condone or make it right.
Dear Dan,
Possibly a T Shirt with the message “Fuck Me Now”.
Michael F. Nyiri, poet, philosopher, fool
I think yes it does make a guy tempted to…and does happen. But, it doesn’t give them the right nor is it right.
@TooComplicated2Explain - Agreed
We should just start grabbing women’s tits at the beach whenever they wear bikinis around us.
@hilaw - @crazy2love - Dear Sean and Crystal, I became quite a pariah at a dinner party once when the subject came up of whether sexy attire contributed to rape or assault. Of course it doesn’t. Rape is rape and assault is assault. No matter what anyone wears. I said something like “If she’s gonna dress like that, then she’s ASKING for it.” Just to see what would happen, y’understand. I was almost physically ejected from the dinner party. (Which was held by one of my friends’ mothers and her bridge cronies.)
Michael F. Nyiri, poet, philosopher, fool
I think it must of have been very confusing for that drunk guy, I mean all the sudden there is a friendly looking slave girl standing right in front of you and when you try to give her a friendly casual finger bang, she freaks out and starts tweeting about it? wtf?
Oh yeah, because every girl at the beach is just BEGGING to be molested. Please, those perverts use scantily clad women as an excuse for their behavior.
Why do my balls never get fondled by gorgeous women no matter where I go or what I wear?
Nobody has the right to touch another person just because of how they are dressed. If she had a sign that said, “Molest me” etc then it would be different. She might have gotten the wrong attention by such but she wasn’t particularly asking for it. We all have the right to wear what we want. People should have respect for others.
I guess what it comes down to is, are we just animals driven by hormones? Or are we more than that and expected to behave as such?
If you dress for sexual attention you’ll get it from all types, including some perverts. That should be common sense.
@ehowton -
@airbornerose - I was going to say, what if she was wearing a bikini? Should she expect guys to grab at her then aswell?
Like others have said, you can expect comments here and there about what you wear, but that doesnt give anyone a right to put their hands on you, thats where he crossed the line.
If I don’t want to be treated like a thug, i don’t dress like a thug. If she doesn’t want to be treated like a harlot, she shouldn’t dress like one.
The short answer is no. If I walk down the busier street near my college wearing jeans and a t-shirt, I still get harassed by assholes in cars. Women in fucking burkas in such places where they are common get harassed by men on the street.
Sexual harassment rarely has anything to do with what a woman is
wearing. It’s all about men trying to put women in their place. Men in patriarchal societies tend to have a mindset that all women are put on earth for their own, personal benefit.
This leads back to the age-old “you’re asking to be raped by the clothes you’re wearing” fallacy.
no. they should not.
Well, I think if she was surprised by any sexual comments or overt gestures she got, then she’s an idiot. You dress in an outfit like that, and you have to expect that certain people are going to be stupid. That doesn’t excuse them, and it doesn’t mean that she shouldn’t dress like that. It just means that it’s going to happen.
(Also, dressing like that in front of a bunch of nerds is increasing your chances of getting harassed, I think. I mean, it’s a Star Wars Convention. How many of them live in their parents’ basements and rarely see the light of day?
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No.
If only she’d let me hold her chain. She could wield my lightsaber.
he didn’t need to try to reach up her skirt, it’s basically open hahaha
though it’s not like she was “asking for it” with her clothes… though her outfit is ridiculous it is still the perv at fault.
No people need to learn to keep thier goddamn hands to themselves.
To a certain breed of ill-mannered man, yes.
They shouldn’t… but, honestly… yes.
Whatever
Yes, but they SHOULDN’T. Men who don’t respect women need to learn how to control their dicks/dick related thoughts. Imagine the uproar if unattractive women started running up to hot guys doing yard work shirtless and dry humping them . . .
An explanation, but not an excuse.
DUH.
If you’re gonna dress like a whore at a convention where most people have never seen a woman in real life, you should expect to get some unwanted attention.
Molestation absolutely not, wolf calling (or is it cat calling) and such things as this, yes. But I’m not condoning them though.
@acomfortingcolloquy - @unabridgedtales - @ItsWhatEyeKnow - @PervyPenguin - the four most reasonable comments I’ve read so far.
While such clothing may cause one to expect someone to stare, or say something.. no amount of skin shown is ever an excuse to just reach out and touch someone.
she asked for attention, so she got it
@bluepillorredpill - Thank you. =)
Absolutely not. There should never be an expectation of molestation.
Men should keep their hands off of women unless they have permission. But women should also dress appropriately and modify their behavior a bit. If you’re prancing around in skimpy attire and hanging all over men, don’t act all hurt and suprised when they attempt to fondle you. You’re giving them mixed signals. Grow up.
No, sexual harassment has no excuse.
If you dress to get attention you will get it. But being grabbed and fondled is way more than just attention.
Yes! I believe so.
An expectation that you’ll attract certain male attention that no one in their right mind will want? Yes. Does it excuse the idiot who tries something? Absolutely not.
Obviously dressing in a skimpy outfit is not going to help matters out when it comes to this topic because obviously when dressed that way you are bringing more attention to yourself, and not necessarily in a good way. However, that is not to say that you should expect molestation or fear it. Just keep in mind that there are a lot of sickos out there, and women need to protect themselves too, that is why modesty is probably a good idea. That is just my opninion. That’s not to say you are asking for it or should expect it if you are scantily clad. But, it probably does put you at higher risk for it than say a lady in high-necked gray frock.
No matter what people know what’s wrong. You don’t just get to touch whenever you want. Idc what you are or aren’t wearing…you have to be polite enough to ask first. Geez.
This argument has been made time and again and it pisses me off every time someone brings it up.
No. NO! She could be stark naked standing in a pool of baby oil with a beer in her hand and a pizza in the other.
If you touch her THAT WAS YOUR DECISION, PRICK!!!
The clothes she wears have nothing to do with your personal space! If you like what you see, take a picture!
As a guy, I know how hard it is to even sneek a peak at a hot girl without her giving you that “Eww, perv-alert” look.
DO NOT MAKE IT HARDER FOR THE REST OF US NORMAL GUYS, ASSHOLE!
@randomneuralfirings - I agree. We are judged partially by the way we dress and any sane adult reaizes that. It’s how our society works. Whether that is right or wrong doesn’t really matter because it is a fact that will probably not be changing anytime soon. No one has a right to put his hands on you without your consent and of course there are always perverts who don’t care what you’re wearing and will touch anyone they can get withing grabbing distance of. I view dressing provocatively sort of like leaving your car door unlocked and a purse on the seat. You have a perfect right to leave your purse in an unlocked car and no one has a right to open that car door just because it isn’t locked. No one has a right to take the purse so temptingly displayed and most people won’t touch it. However, there are always those criminals just waiting for a chance to take advantage of such a tempting offer so most of us make the extra effort of locking the purse in the trunk.
Um, yes it does. I’m sorry horrible things like that happen to people but hey at least do your part so humans who have eyes and hands to molest at least won’t stop your way cause you had to do something that would attract them.
Don’t like flys? Then shut your damn porch lights off. It’ll keep em a bit further away from your house.
NO NO NO. You can (and probably should) expect to get stared at, because sometimes you can’t help but look. But touching- that, other people can (and should) control. That’s crossing a line.
I know you ask provocative questions on purpose, Dan, but damn this made me mad when I read it.
Unfortunately, yes. But I feel strongly that any form of harassment should never be condoned.
God, no.
yeah- if you wear a particular outfit, expect to get molested. It’s like all those idiots who carry around money in their wallets- expect to get robbed, it’s obviously your fault for offering that irresistible temptation to criminals.
And don’t even get me started about how banks have doors people can walk into in order to steal all their money- if you don’t want people robbing the bank, DON’T install any damn DOORS! What IS this, a free country where you can do whatever you want, especially at a time when it is reasonable, like wearing a costume to a convention or having a door on a building??!?!
Oh man here we go again.
let me put this straight…she was a woman who dressed in a scantily clad outfit and went to a convention of nerds who chances are, are sexually deprived, watching porn, reading hentai comics…etc…etc…
Now I am not saying the guy who did this deserves an excuse. Yes, everyone needs to exercise self-control. HOWEVER, it is VERY hard for me say that this model was not completely at fault. If it wasn’t a Star Wars convention then I would think otherwise. It doesn’t really matter whether people can exercise self-control or not, that outfit specifically attracts both wanted and unwanted sexual attention in the first place.
omg she’s so hot, even if her boobs are fake. how does she stay so hot!? she won ANTM forever ago and was on other reality shows after that. i want her.
as much as i would want to touch her, i wouldn’t.
if a person wears something, anything that’s gonna bring attention, then that person needs to expect that others around them are going to comment in one way or another, on it, and let’s be honest here; we, as people, don’t put things on us, clothing, jewelry, hairdos, etc., without any kind of forethought. We know when we dress ourselves if it’s going to bring attention to us or not. Now, reaching into a person’s personal space and touching them isn’t correct, but, unfortunately, not everyone was raised to recognize the same boundaries of personal space, or to respect them.
@ehowton - Go to Germany. Look for guys with cameras that are surrounded by women. It’ll happen then.
@ScarletMoth - That makes perfect sense.
well thats what you get when you dress like a wjhore.
i bet he paid her
I don’t kno, I feel some kind of justice when I read that you do get your news from fark.com. As if it mattered where they came from. But being right feels good.
@leaflesstree - The person that did it had nothing to do with Celebration V, it was someone passing on the street as she (and a group of friends) waited for a cab.
@PervyPenguin - The person wasn’t part of the convention, he was a drunk that passed her, and a group of friends, as they waited for a cab
Not necessarily an “expectation” of harassment, but an increase in probability from irresponsible men.
@Conartist - The person that did this wasn’t part of Celebration V, it was a random drunk passing on the street.
Look, but don’t touch.
No. Certain locations carry an expectation of sexual harassment. There’s a big difference between the local mall and a biker bar.
Star Wars conventions are probably safe usually! I’m happy to hear it was just some random guy who did this, and not a convention-goer.
absolutely not. women never ask to be groped. if someone lacks the self control not to grab someone who is skimpily dressed, they have no business being in public.
besides, it’s a star wars convention, people wear all kinds of crazy crap.
Expected? Are you kidding me?
“You’re wearing a low cut top so a pack of niggers are going to rape you” co/Mel Gibson.
SERIOUSLY??????? There’s never anything to be expected, this is disgusting!
Just because a woman wears a skimpy outfit doesn’t mean she wants to get molested or harassed.
Expected: yes. Appropriate: no.
Regardless of what she wanted or didnt want, she was dressed in a manor that leads people to do stupid things.
I think outfits like that mean ‘look, don’t touch’. I wonder why women continue to dress as such when it is obvious the reactions toward skimpy outfits will be like this.
I stare at scantily-dressed women all the time…I mean, if they’re going to put it out there, I’m gonna look.
no! Even if she was in a bikini at the beach she wouldn’t deserve to be inappropriately touched.
@baldmike2004 - Thanks
The dress actually command this. Let’s get real people. Do you really think men are toys to be played with when surrounded with all these exposures?
Women who wear skimpy clothing should expect behavior like this. And when they complain someone is leering at them or trying to get frisky with them, they wonder why.
She definitely should’ve been wearing something more appropriate but she can’t be to blame for someone else’s cruel behavior
Uh yea. kinda
Does every girl who wear a bikini at the beach ask to be touched or molested?
It’s a costume. Look & admire. Where’s the sign which says, “Go ahead. You can touch.”?
Turtlenecks might turn some guy on. I don’t see turtlenecks accused as a sign, “She was asking for it,” on it.
what she’s wearing doesn’t give the man any right to reach up her skirt, or anything else she’s wearing for that matter. excuses to continue their perverted behavior… they make me sick
Yeah, but only to the sleezy, no self controlled people without a lick of common sense, people. I mean, most decent people know that no matter how scantily clad a woman is dressed, that’s not an invitation to grope her crotch. I mean, c’mon. I don’t know what’s more disgusting… that this actually happens or that people are actually agreeing with it, with comments like “if you dress like a whore, you should expect it”. I mean… wow. Asinine. It was a freaking costume, morons. She’s not asking for people to feel her up. Seriously… grow a brain.
Just because some one is carrying muffins doesn’t mean you’re allowed to just take one. Fuck people and their stupid logic. Just because someone is dressed skimpy doesn’t mean anything.
There is no defense or justification for sexual harassment. That said there is a reason why hookers and strippers dress a certain way. To draw attention of individuals who have no self-restraint and have no problem engaging them on a sexual level. Dress like a hooker and you’ll get attention like a hooker. Perhaps the biggest crime in all of this is that society seems to be becoming more and more accepting of women wearing less and less regardless of their age. Not only is it okay but in some cases almost promoted as though it were an empowering thing. Idiocy…
What @unabridgedtales said.
No. She shouldn’t EXPECT to be molested because she dressed up in costume for a convention. That’s just stupid.