October 24, 2010
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Women Exploited: Warning Graphic Video
Missy Smith is running to be the Washington D.C. delegate to the U.S. House. She has an ad that shows photos of an abortion.
Missy had two abortions herself but feels she was lied to about the unborn baby being human. Here is the link: Link
Here is the video: (Warning: Do not watch the video if you are upset by seeing photos of an abortion).I have never shown photos of an abortion on my site because I am already pro-life and I think the photos are gross. But I have always supported the right of others to post the photos without being censored.
The TV station aired the video but put a warning with it. They said they were required under Federal law to air the ad and were not allowed to censor the ads “in any way, or for any reason.”
Do you think the ad is too graphic for TV?
Comments (128)
This should NEVER be aired on television. Fucking disturbing.
I can handle it and it didn’t bother me but I do NOT think younger kids should be exposed to that stuff. I understand her message but it’s not toward five and six year olds.
wow, i’m guessing they thought this is the only way to get their message out? so fucking wrong.
Yeah, too graphic, but I guess they want to show the grim reality.
So wait… snuff films are banned from public media but this is okay?
Those looks like they were all late term abortions. Even many pro choicers agree that those should be outlawed. I think there’s a big difference between an abortion where the fetus could potentially be birthed and survive, and a first trimester abortion or an abortion using something like RU486
A late term abortion isn’t the same as embryonic abortion. This ad fails.
I’m not going to watch it. I don’t want that image in my head. I’m already pro-life.
I commend the honesty of the ad. And yea, I feel that WE should look at stuff like this. It is part of the reason I post my “Trauma of the Week” series.
omg that’s sick… children do watch TV or are in rooms where TVs exist… that’s ugghh and for someone who should be a leader?
We put the petty thieves in jail and appoint the great ones to public office.
……..I didn’t even click the ‘ play ‘ button, but that picture is just….wow.
delicious! Fetuses, it’s what’s for dinner.
Too graphic for tv. I wouldn’t want a child to see it
When I was a kid, stuff like that gave me nightmares. It was probably the start of my ongoing irrational fear of dead bodies.
As a side note, who wants a woman in office who is so easily “tricked” into doing such serious things as having abortions?
2 things
First, this is one of those rare times you explicitly verbalize your views. Kudos for that.
Second, the plight of the modern aborted unborn is constantly being compared to the plight of the antebellum black slave. I think the comparison is valid on a number of points. Both issues raise strong sentiments. The ‘humanity’ of both were / are a matter of fierce debate. Violence was a facet of both eras, where it was John Brown invading the Harper’s Ferry arsenal or shooting abortion providers. And in both controversies, the proponents did not shirk from presenting shocking propaganda. Stuff like this is the modern equivalent of Uncle Tom’s Cabin. For good or ill, it will not go away.
ewww
@RazielV -
Yup! Conveniently most people won’t recognize the difference.
Those are late term abortions, which most people agree are wrong. I have yet to meet someone who actually wants to legalize late term abortions. The debate is over abortions done when the embryo can’t feel pain or survive outside of the mother. It’s very graphic and I think should really only be aired in an area where people are actually lobbying for late-term abortions. Anyone sick enough to want one of those should be forced to realize that late term abortions occur at stages where babies have been born and survived miraculously. However, on TV at a time when children can see it? No. They shouldn’t be given the idea that all abortion is late term abortion. It isn’t.
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@RazielV - But your comment wins!
too graphic for tv? meh, maybe but not for cable.
anyway why would she have had the second abortion if she was lied to in the first instance?
im too scared to click play* even the picture scares me =/
Yipes. I will add my voice to the camp that is already pro life but doesn’t ever want to see a vid like this, it’s gruesome. I ain’t clicking and I hope I don’t see it even accidentally. But yes, it’s the awful truth of what happens, so maybe there is a good reason to air this.
@WordsandThoughts - You are right,it is very disturbing,the fact that so many women think their rights come before their child.The truth is the truth,why should it not be shown. Do you watch bloody shows on TV and movies?I’ll bet you think thats just fine. I’m not trying to fuss at you so much here either.I guess it comes with being the first commenter,its the first one I saw and I happen to disagree with you. How can people NOT know the truth if it isn’t shown in ALL it’s disturbing glory. Those are my wordsandthoughts
If you can’t say fuck on public television you can’t show that… children should never have to see that…
@Inspectorgrampy5 - Whoa. Way too much preaching.
@SeeBeeWrite - “As a side note, who wants a woman in office who is so easily “tricked” into doing such serious things as having abortions?”. I agree, not only that it happened twice!!
I think she did this for shock value. I dont think I ever personally met someone who agrees with partial birth abortions. This was too much. In fact, people are lowering the time of which you can even get one. I’m pro-choice (NOT pro-abortion, there is a difference) & people should stop judging others for their life choices. Instead of making people feel like shit, why not support & reform the adoption system? Lower the tough requirements & fees!
.. I just fiished my dinner. T_T
Who in their right mind would ever consider airing that? Sucks she had a shitty experience (well, two because I guess she didn’t learn the first time?), but JESUS. I wonder who told her these things, and how old she was. I think there’s a line between being abused and being stupid, not finding ways to come to your own conclusions or using birth control. I’m sure she’ll get a ton of votes…
@WordsandThoughts - Sorry mam,but something as serious as taking the life of a defensless and helpless baby,there isn’t enough preaching.Humanity needs to wake up and realize what they are actually doing. If thats too preachy then so be it.
@RazielV - @rafi09 - agreed!
Ad = EPIC FAIL
The problem with the ad is not that it’s gruesome, it’s that it is intentionlly misleading. Portraying dead babies at that stage of devolopment as though they are normal early term aborted fetus’ is like airing an ad that says the Democrats under Obama raised the national debt to $40trillion dollars!!!!! Most Americans don’t know the size of the debt any more than they know what a typical aborted fetus looks like!
I was born in a time when women routinely mutilated themselves or bled to death in an attempt to rid their bodies of an unwanted shameful pregnancy. Such ads are aimed at guilting and shaming women into not having abortions by essentially calling those women “baby killers.” In reality. 90% of the 1.2 million abortions performed in the U.S. each year are performed in the first trimester. At that time, the fetus is 2 1/2 inches long and just 1/2 an ounce and is not viable outside the womb (the constraint put in place by Roe v Wade, 1973). Does that sound like either of the “babies” in the ad? P.S. the debt is just over $13Trillion.
too graphic. at least pg13
I think it should be allowed on television but with a warning.
uh, yes – i haven’t watched it and i can already tell it’s too graphic for television…
i’m confused, though – what does she mean she was lied to about the baby being human? did she think she was carrying a giraffe baby?
Late term abortion is different than embryonic abortions. I’d like for her to show those and see how grossed out people would be. For the record I am pro-choice, but not when it comes to late term abortions like that. But not all abortions are late term. She needs to learn how to differentiate.
And yes it is unacceptable that they played this on tv. As many others have already pointed out, many children hang out in rooms where their parents are watching television. And how can this be okay when people can’t use the F bomb on TV? The F word is less disturbing to children than this will ever be.
She had an unwanted pregnancy TWICE? Damn. She must have been fucking loose. She’s a hypocrite. If you don’t want to have an abortion and you don’t want a baby, close your fucking legs or USE PROTECTION, hello.
And if she was “tricked” into having TWO abortions, she is too fucking retarded to hold ANY position with any sort of responsibility.
Eeep! That is creepy. I hate seeing unfinished/broken science.
And yet Fox banned the Family Guy episode about abortion even though it didn’t show any abortions…
Yeah, that is called shock value my friend. I hate abortion but I hate illegal abortions more, coat hangers WILL come back, and not only the child will die, so will the mother. You really love ruffling feathers don’t you. I hope you rate your posts accordingly. Good post though, it does raise a great question of a ongoing argument.
Ok I am just going ot comment on the question and not my opinion about abortions being ok or not. No I do not think this is to graphic for TV ads but I doubt if it will ever be shown.
WAY too graphic for television
As long as it utilizes the TV rating system and is compatible with V-chip technology and gives the proper warning then sure.
Honestly why shouldn’t children see that?
Maybe I’ve lived in Germany too long… we’re all desensitized over here. But it’s abortion (late term, but abortion), and some people need to see that. They should watch the airing times, yes. And the channels. No need to put something like that on cartoon network.
Everyone deserves a second chance..
..too bad that fetus didn’t even get ONE. LOLOLOLOL
“Lied to about the unborn baby being human?” Is that woman stupid or something? What ELSE could she give birth to? I think that dumb bitch just wants to victimize herself for attention, like most women. This is why I don’t vote for a candidate with a vagina.
@Inspectorgrampy5 - I agree…this is no worse than what’s regularly shown on crime shows and the news on prime time TV every day. So people think it’s worse to look at because – wait for it – it’s a BABY? Yes, it’s about time! Yes, it’s a baby! And this is what abortion does! Everyone should know the truth. And kids? They see much worse on TV and in video games. My grown son was telling me about all the little kids he saw parents bringing to the R-rated movie “Jackass 3D” this weekend, which contained plenty of “gross out factor” stuff. CSI and other doctor shows are pretty graphic these days, too.
Even at 8 weeks, it looks like a baby. The baby has fingers, toes, all its organs a beating heart, everything it will need…he/she moves. People shouldn’t delude themselves. It’s never just a “blob of tissue.”
I don’t think this ad should not be aired because it’s too graphic, I think it shouldn’t be aired because I do not agree with her message.
1st off, this woman looks like an axe murderer. I know it’s harsh to judge based on looks alone, but when that’s all you have, that’s all you have. 2nd, how could she be *tricked* into getting an abortion and not knowing that she was birthing a human? I know, she probably means that she was told it was just a sack of cells or something like that… but you can’t be that dense. And all the scare tactics she’s putting into her ad are very off putting, even if you hold the same pro life viewpoint as she does. She’s a nut, and no this shouldn’t be on tv. It’s a hate ad just as much as anything, if not more.
I think that someone already mentioned here that these are late term abortions, which many pro choice folks disagree with as well. In my town there is a pro life group who stands at a busy intersection every day, morning until sundown, with signs showing images like these. I’ve got to say I can’t stand them. I drive by with my three little kids in the car and they are horrified — they don’t understand it at all, and my feeling is that they should not have to look at it. Regardless of how I feel about abortion, my five year old girl should be able to get in the car an accompany me to the grocery store without seeing something that gives her nightmares with which she cannot reason. If we took a Saturday stroll through the park holding up signs with gory pictures of crime victims it would be seen as totally inappropriate. How is this different?
On the bright side, there is another group of people who have recently taken up a post at the same intersection with signs that simply say, “stop the visual terrorism”. I appreciate those folks immensely.
I hope they did it only after hours. I mean….. I may not win the dad of the year award but if my kids saw this as Id be PISSED.
lied to?! how stupid can you be to think that at a few months pregnant there isnt something that resembles a person inside you? Shit i learned that in 5th grade. I still stick to my body my choice. word.
I suppose most of us would rather not watch and pretend this isnt happening but it does. I watched, I gagged and I cried. late term happens more than any of us would like to admit and hey, even in the 1st trimester; its a developing kid!
Definitely way too much for a public television commercial.
@wrybreadspread - You make a good point. It’s interesting how many people insist that a fetus is no big deal, but if they see a picture of an aborted fetus they start complaining about sensationalism and political pornography.
I read Uncle Tom’s Cabin, as well as Clotel and Our Nig. Very direct statements against slavery, graphic descriptions of the lives those African Americans had to suffer. To this day there are people who claim slavery and indentured servitude weren’t so bad. They can only make such a claim because those books aren’t read so much anymore.
I do think that sensationalism should be avoided. Too many pics of dead babies, and the public tunes out. But the fact that a generally pro-choice society wants to cloak the procedure, keep the practice of abortion in silence, is telling.
Well there are documentaries about the holocaust, violent movies, and medical shows, all of which show tons of blood and often gore. Why not this? It is designed to save lives; whether or not you agree that they’re human, the reasoning is the same.
This is SUPPOSED to disturb people. Something truly has meaning if it moves you in some way- whether it sickens you, fills you with joy, sadness, anything. It does its job.
I’ve always been pro-life but I have never seen photos of abortions that were as disturbing and horrific as these.
Go for it, I think censoring the world is a silly idea.
@SoapAndShampoo -
Your thoughts are on the money. Regarding denial of slavery; I can Google and find those who will ‘debunk’ or minimize the Holocaust; or the Jim Crow period of our history; or the lynching of blacks; or the ill-treatment of Native Americans, etc.
My thoughts in response again to your thoughts; if pro-life carries the day, it will be because of the perceived sincerity and passion of women like Missy Smith; not the hacks who ride the coattails of antiabortion to office and then become indistinguishable from the rest who accept favors from the lobbyists.
I say ‘perceived’ because I myself am rather jaded. The electorate is jerked around like some guy who’s jacking off; pardon my crudity.
@wrybreadspread - Indeed. It doesn’t matter who we vote for- abortion remains. It isn’t even regulated to a decent level (requiring abortions to be performed in hospitals, for instance, would be not only healthier for the women, but would get rid of the “quickie abortion” mentality that clinics encourage).
Just as America extended citizenship to all people born in America, we have to extend personhood to all people conceived in America. So far as I can tell, that is the sticking point. Do fetuses have legal personhood. At this time, they don’t. Then again, African Americans didn’t used to be citizens.
Sometimes I fear that there’s been no real progress in the law in favor of life is because it’s handier for so many to keep abortion around as a bugaboo. “If you don’t like abortion, vote for me.” “If you don’t like abortion, give me money.” What on earth would they do if there were no more abortion left to point to?
As you can see, I’m rather jaded myself.
I guess now that she’s had one, she doesn’t want anyone else to have that option? Way to be a hypocrite!
I think the problem is not that they are too graphic. The problem is more that they are misleading. Some of the fetuses that they show look too big or too developed to be first trimester abortions. Though most of the organogenesis happens in the first 8 weeks, the first trimester fetuses are AT MOST 3 inches long. The abortuses shown are definitely older than that. Even hard-core pro-choice people would be against abortions past point of viability (at least 24 weeks). And, they are illegal in most states (if not all). So, by showing pictures of older fetuses, the commercial is not presenting the facts clearly.
i dont think theyre too graphic no, thats just the reality. But that woman is a piece of shit with issues and those fetuses were probably lucky to be spared having her as a mother. How dare people like her dictate how OTHER PEOPLE should live their lives& what to do with their bodies. What a backward view of things. It is really disgusting to see someone like her. Pro-life is not pro-life, it is ANTI CHOICE, and anyone anti-choice for someones body should be forced to fully support and raise anyone that comes into the world because their mom was made to feel guilty into having it but then just abandons them. Im sick of people attacking abortion who would want to be born where they dont have rights to their own bodies? No one. So fuck off, any of you filthy slimebags who is decided someone shouldn’t be able to choose.
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i hate politicians and how they will use any means to get your attention to “vote” for them. i have a word for her that i won’t comment here but believe me i’m screaming it out loud now. i don’t find the video in itself disturbing but what it is being used for i find very fucking disturbing. i’m moving to england…fuck the U.S.A.
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a late abortion vs early abortion..
Why do religious people worry about abortion?
If God exists and is good then the souls of aborted fetuses go straight to Him. If God does not exist, then there’s no reason to worry about anything.
Personally, I watch this video and hear cheesy violin strings in the background just begging to tug on my heart-strings. I then see bloody fetuses mashed up and left flat on their sides, most of them displaying fetuses that are already too far developed to be legally aborted. I’m then treated to a sanctimonious old bitch blaming Democratic politicians for all of it.
Can propaganda get any more transparent? The only abortions I regret are the ones that DON’T happen to stupid worthless people who crow about “freedom” but devote their lives to taking rights away from others.
@Inspectorgrampy5 -
Comparing fake violence on TV to an actual abortion is stupid. Or can you not tell the difference?
You know Jack Bauer isn’t really out there keeping America safe, right?
Graphically truthful
It depends on when and where it’s aired. Television has much more graphic things than this. I wouldn’t want to see it running along with Sesame Street or other childrens shows but with the evening news or some crime drama I don’t see the problem.
@Randy7777 - Well sort of, I mean they of course are pushing a point so the photos are of later term abortions which are actually fairly rare. They left out the photos which would represent most abortions. Early term is when most abortions are done and at that point what is taken out looks pretty much like just blood and tissue that resembles clots of blood. So even though the photos may be of actual aborted babies they are not inclusive enough to be representative. The point of the ad is not to be representative however, as with every ad it’s paid for by someone who wishes to make their point and it does that quite well.
@Teufels_Hofnarr - Are you that blind man? Do you think a child knows the difference?Give me a break dude. The violence is about children seeing it,not adults,although it isn’t something adults need to ingrain in their heads either,at least they DO understand the difference. Wake up man.
Well, personally I’m pro-life & this brought me to tears. But I do agree that it’s much too graphic to be shown on public television. Children shouldn’t be exposed to this.
she does NOT get my vote…at all.
I understand her point..her views…but come on now..this is not frekking PETA…..being gruesome and graphic is NOT going to get anyones attention!
Wow. I like how she said “they lied to me” umm…..how do you NOT know it’s a freaking baby inside of you?! I’m pro life, and I can’t imagine EVER doing this. Those poor babies… ;( Ugh….
Whoa…. graphic. O.o
I agree with MedicMark that we should see this sort of thing, but airing this on public tv where there’s a very good chance young children would see it… I’m not so sure about that.
OH NO, THE CHILDREN MIGHT SEE IT – LET US CENSOR SOMEONE’S RIGHT TO SELF-EXPRESSION!
IT’S FOR THE CHILDREN!
how are you tricked into getting an abortion? how are you lied to?
you know you’re killing what’s inside you….even if it’s a clump of cells, it WOULD grow into a baby.
It’s like she didn’t know that? Some people are okay with it as long as it’s still a small group of cells, and that’s their prerogative. But to say you were lied to, to place the blame on someone else…..no, that shouldn’t be done.
@Inspectorgrampy5 - Actually, and I know you werent talking to me, I DON’T like bloody shows or movies. I actually keep away from action movies because I know more than likely someone is going to get shot or killed.
Honestly, if we have to censor violence and sex on TV then the same should be done for these kinds of ads. It’s disturbing to most people.
But as @RazielV , late term abortions aren’t the same. Scare tactics don’t work on me and they shouldn’t have to work on others.
@Teufels_Hofnarr - Nice.
You idiots do know that they show you what they’re going to do in abortion clinics before you sign the paper, right… This crap is about as unnecessary as showing people what they do to cows to make steak.
Missy is obviously a dumb whore. She had two abortions and now wants to claim she didn’t know she was killing a baby. Dumb whore.
She didn’t think the baby was human? What did she think she would’ve given birth to? A puppy?
And yes, that video is too graphic for television. Shows like South Park get fined all the time by the FCC, but this HAS to be aired? Bullshit. I don’t want to see any dead babies, and I don’t think any parent wants their kid to either.
she needs help if she was “lied” to twice. she’s easily swayed and that what i consider to be a flaw for her to be in office. she should’ve known for herself and done what was right for her instead of letting someone else determine her decisions. she has no excuse and she needs to be accountable. i’m pro-choice but i’m also for safe sex and i don not deem late term abortions to be appropriate or any abortion to be appropriate. She should’ve used a condom and she needs to quit crying about her bad decision to kill her baby and to act like an adult that made a bad choice.
Pro-life? You mean you’re anti-choice?
I think it should be on TV people need to see this shit and maybe it will scare them for once.
wowwww. thats why abortions after the 12th week shouldnt be legal, i say abortion be legal but i know in some places in the states it is possible to have a full term abortion, that is just wrong.
I don’t think an ad like this should be aired during daytime, or primetime hours. Children shouldn’t be exposed to this type of harsh reality so nonchalantly. Powerful ad though. Agree with her 100%.
1. This probably won’t be aired on any children’s network, so stop worrying about the kids.
2. The pictures aren’t too graphic. Child birth would look just as lovely as that. Adults could handle it. 3. These are late term. Then again that is the best way to make everyone support the cause and squirm a little.
4. What the f is that woman talking about? What did she expect was going to happen when she went in there and asked for the baby inside her to be killed?
that video is too disturbing for tv yes. but my personal opinion is that this video is stupid. not all abortions occur that late in the pregnancy. wtf.
Unfortunately, our President seems to think late term abortions are a great idea. He hasn’t pushed to make them illegal and when given the opportunity, he has repeatedly voted “no” against measures to make them illegal. He even voted no against a law that requires physicians who are attempting an abortion and “accidentally” deliver a live baby, to provide them immediate medical treatment. Previously, the Dr. was allowed to simply leave the baby alone with no medical treatment until it died and simply call it an “abortion”.
He voted “no” on a ban on partial-birth abortions, induced labor abortions and he voted against laws protecting live babies.
Fortunately, the rest of the voting body of congress has a soul and voted to ban such evil.
As you guys pointed out. Most of America doesn’t agree with late term abortions, or even abortions in general. We need to vote Him out of office ASAP and get someone voted in that knows what Americans want.
@LightningRichy - @RazielV - @rafi09 -
I think this should be shown, i mean it can be switched off and of course as far as children go, surely the government isnt SO stupid as to air it inbetween sesame street and dora the explorer?
As Dan said up there, that girl believed she had been led on to think that it was just a bunch of cells, and she was horrified that it wasnt. I mean if you were convinced that it was like that, had an abortion and then saw a BABY- chances are she is feeling really betrayed and probably changed her view completely about the abortion- but now its too late.
The after affects in most cases of abortion are terrible- the depression etc. Its a big deal, not just about the baby but about the mother..
These are cheap shock tactics that conflate late term abortions (which even many pro-choicers are opposed to) with embryonic abortions; they aren’t the same thing at all. This is disgusting, dishonest, and there’s no way it belongs on television where young children might see it.
I’ve actually seen this ad on TV, but it was past midnight. I’ve only seen it that one time and never during times when children are awake and watching TV. I don’t know if it does air then and I just haven’t seen it, but if it does, then it’s too much, even with the warning.
How about taking responsibilities for your actions. Nobody made her get an abortion or “tricked” her into it. I stand by my beliefs, your body, you’re choice. Who are we to judge? If you’re pro-life, I commend you but for God’s sake please don’t shove it in the world’s faces [oh and vice versa]
I think it is too graphic for TV but should be available to women considering abortion. Also, how far along was she because those pictures look like the babies were a bit too developed to be abortioned (that doesn’t sound right I know but I just lost all ability to speak correctly due to an extremely hard exam).
Yes, I think it is too graphic. =(
Firstly…
“Missy had two abortions herself but feels she was lied to about the unborn baby being human.”
Sorry, what? As opposed to what? A deer? An elephant? A martian? What the fuck did you think was inhabiting your cooch? Jesus christ where do we find these imbeciles and why do we let them get any social coverage for anything besides utter comedic criticism?!
Secondly, do we watch open heart surgery in commercials? Do we watch transplants? Amputations? No. We don’t. We don’t need to see the intricasies of surgery and procedures because we wouldn’t be able to stomach them. So I shouldn’t get an amputation because I wouldn’t be able to handle watching it? Even though it would save my life? Or I shouldn’t donate an organ because it’s a nasty procedure?
FLAWED REASONING.
@PsychoJordan - I don’t personally see how anyone could think that a fetus stays a ball of cells until you pop them out and they magically go POOF in a ball of smoke and are suddenly a cute little newborn? LOL, how incredibly dumb! Obviously there is a lot of transition – 9 months in fact, from clump of cells to fully functioning human being. It’s not like they were elephant cells in between. Sheesh.
@chaospet - I agree… and see my comment. We shouldn’t do things/ban them because of how “icky” they are? Give me a break.
If she was so against it, I would have assumed she would have learned from the first abortion…
Those are late term abortions. I’m not cool with using late term abortion as a form of birth control.
But Im ok with early term abortion when the cluster of cells doesnt resemble anything of a child.
Women should just learn to use birth control correctly and men should wear condoms correctly and every time if they dont want children. Its less expensive than an abortion anyway.
I think the ad is a bit preachy and one sided for sure. Not every abortion is late term like this.
It’s no more graphic than images I saw in grade school in films about the holocaust. I think the truth needs to be shown in this case, just like it is important that the truths of the holocaust needed to be exposed. I see nothing wrong with the ad.
I don’t know how to feel. It’s tough, because banning abortion would go against the separation of state and government, and keeping it..is just sad. But banned or not..in the end it all comes down to the person chosing to do this, and this decision and guilt they feel then or now will stick with them. Techinically it’s not for us to force someone to do something…it’s their choice. However it doesn’t hurt to share the message on how horrible it is..and hope it plants the seed in their mind about what abortion is about..etc.
This ad is unfortunately airing in my area and was on during the evening news tonight (a time when many families are watching tv together). While I am pro-choice, I believe that one could make a case for being pro-life without resorting to graphic pictures. Most adults basically understand what abortion is and don’t need to see pictures. This ad is totally over the line.
The fact that this woman feels that she was tricked into having an abortion because she was told the babies were not humans makes her a big idiot. One should be able to decide something like that for themselves.
@grannyinboxers - @theandyman1982 - This ad is showing in my area (Wash DC). It played during the evening news tonight!!!
@mccanarie - ”…I have repeatedly said that I think it’s entirely appropriate
for states to restrict or even prohibit late-term abortions as long as there
is a strict, well-defined exception for the health of the mother. Now, I don’t
think that “mental distress” qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it
has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are
real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term.
Otherwise, as long as there is such a medical exception in place, I think we
can prohibit late-term abortions.”-from here but originally from Relevant magazine.
“OBAMA:
Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is
protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the
Constitution, what we’re really saying is, in fact, that they are
persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be
provided to a — a child, a nine-month-old — child that was delivered
to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a
court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it — it would
essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not
allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would
be an anti-abortion statute.”
The last quote is from the Times article in 2001 explaining the bill I could find that referenced what you are talking about. It sounds more like he had an issue with how the bill was worded and how it could be used in terms of all abortion and that he is actually against late term abortion unless it is for the health of the mother and even that he wants to be strictly defined. Sorry but it sounds like even Obama has an issue with late term abortions.
Look at this.It may be from Wiki answers but it references the Times article a lot and he really gets to explain his reasoning. His reasoning isn’t “I’m all for late-term abortion”. It’s “this bill had major loopholes that would’ve gone against anything a pro-choice person stood for and I see that”. He stood for his convictions. A well written bill simply needs to be written.
Another source on his stance; the quotes are taken from a 2008 interview with Fox News. His views are very consistent here and not once does he seem to support late term abortions so I’m pretty sure the other votes you mentioned are for similar reasons. He seems to have been very keen on bills not having loopholes and being worded in a way that can be interpreted fairly straightforward when he was in Congress. That’s not something to hold against him because otherwise you crappy laws get put in place.
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@haloed - Precisely!
Ummm… my rights DO come before the cells/zygote/fetus inside me. Because, even though I’m a woman, I am a human being with rights; I’m out in the world, breathing, working, voting and paying for your social security check. Can you say the same of a fetus? Why should my rights – including control over my own body – be superseded by the unborn?
@haloed - I didnt say she thought it STAYED A BALL OF CELLS. Not everyone realises how fast a baby forms. By something like week 5 it has a heartbeat and everything. Some people think that its still a ball of cells by the time they have figured out they are pregnant and decided to abort. But it isnt.
So if someone had said to her “Oh its only about this big now” ( holds fingers up to demonstrate) then she might wrongfully think its not ‘formed’ properly as such. Then, after the operation she sees what looks like a person (as opposed to how they look early on- with a tail etc) she was shocked and her conscience rocked. THAT is what I meant.
Anyway her story is just one story. There are millions of young women pressured by they parents/friends/boyfriends in to having unnecessay abortions and they are told over and over that its not a big deal thats it doesnt look like a baby (what a baby looks like as a newborn) yet blah blah blah.
Look we get adverts on TV showing LUNGS and BRAINS and the affects of SMOKING- so why not abortion? Why not texting and driving? Why not about drinking and driving???
I dont know about the US but here in australia we have these ‘SHOCK TACTIC’ adverts for everything. And boohoo NO CHILD sees them unless they have irresponsible parents who dont monitor what their kids watch. A tv is not a baby sitter or means of spending time with your child. if your child watches CHILDRENS programs, these ads are not shown then- HARDLY a TARGET AUDIENCE! if you let your kids stay up to 9.30 watching what is broadcast on tv at that hour, then you have less to worry about than shock tactic adverts
@chaospet - You think they would put this on tv between dora explorer and play school?????
TARGET AUDIENCE !!! Broadcasters wont waste that money honey.
SHOCK TACTICS i dont know about where you are but here in Australia we have these SHOCK TACTIC adverts for SMOKING- where we see infected brains and lungs… we see re enactments of car accidents (dont drink/drive or text/drive and for falling asleep when driving) and re enactments of parents irresponsibly providing children with alcohol who then get trashed and then the advert implies the girl is taken advantage of.
People are so dumb these days shock tactics are all that works.
I won’t watch it.
@rafi09 - They weren’t crappy laws his goal was accomplished. He voted against these bills so that he could get the praise and political backing from groups like planned parenthood and the like and he knows all he has to do is go on record as essentially saying “I really wanted to vote yes because I agree with what the bill was trying to say. Unfortunately, I couldn’t vote yes because of the syntax.” So the easily fooled public, like yourself, will still fall for it that he is looking out for interests other than his own.
I most certainly do not think this was too graphic, for the simple fact that people should know how wrong it is to abort your child. That it is wrong to okay murder just because the child isn’t big enough to speak for itself. Maybe graphic images like that will wake people up.
@mccanarie - It would have had a huge loophole, as the quote explained. That is a crappy law. Laws need to be very specific or else lawyers looking to get their clients out of trouble (or ones who want to get rid of abortion in this case; since he is pro-choice and early abortion would be involved, he kind of had to look out for early abortion’s chances as well) can find ways to use them in ways the law was not meant to be used. Obama saw that this law was headed in that direction, as he explained so he did not vote on it. Sorry but because shitty lawyers exist, syntax is very important. And since Obama hasn’t actually tried to pass laws for late term abortions and I have yet to find anything actually backing up your claims and instead have multitudes of sites trying to disprove these claims, I’m going to wait for actions to prove either point. In the mean time, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt since I like politicians who make sure that laws say exactly what they’re supposed to say before they’re passed more than ones who just pass something because it tries to fix an issue even if the syntax is crappy and an obvious flaw is there. And what does Planned Parenthood have to do with anything? Last time I checked, they’re not for late term abortions either since that involves killing a being that is capable of feeling pain and surviving outside the mother. How would he get backing from them by voting no on this bill exactly? That would only happen if the bill were to say get rid of all abortion, in which case we are involving early term abortion. Since I was only talking about late term abortion not having backers, that would be a completely separate debate.
Eh, sorta.
I just can’t believe those babies were that size.Isn’t it a law that you can’t abort them after 3 months in the womb? They look like they were further developed than 3 months.@RazielV - That’s what I’m saying.
it shouldn’t be aired because of the risk of a child seeing it. that’s really graphic and disturbing for a little kid.
Too graphic!!!
@rafi09 - if these loopholes were so huge, they would already be exploited since all of the bills I mentioned passed nearly a decade ago. The truth is, I gave many examples of bills that passed (in which he did not cast a yes vote). One was simply a ban on the practice of partial birth abortion, which is about as late term as you can get. It’s full term pregnancy with the baby half-way delivered! How can you sit there and be fooled by him. He had the opportunity to back up his words with actions and he didn’t. The law wasn’t “crappy” or poorly written. It said exactly what it needed to say and it hasn’t been exploited yet.
@rafi09 - I still find it amusing that people still believe in Obama when he makes crap like that up. Especially after he very publically endorsed and signed into national law a healthcare bill that violated basic civil rights and had at its centerpiece a piece of legislation that was blatently unconstitutional. The whole thing was a sham and a waste of our leaders’ time and our tax dollars because it will be overturned in the supreme court. Meanwhile, Obama’s blind followers trumpet his great successes and great quotes but pay no attention to his actions. I’m simply blown away by this man’s mind control.
Nobody can talk about things objectively anymore. I hate when they try to appeal to our emotions, using words like “baby murder”, instead of appealing to logic, like “a foetus of a late-term abortion could have potentially been born alive at the stage of development it’s at.” so LATE TERM abortions are like baby murder (it is a human but it is not a baby yet, but it has the potential to be), but embryonic abortions, the vast majority (i.e. first trimester, before the 3-mo. mark), are wayyy different. Human embryos and pig embryos are essentially the same; I bet people wouldn’t get in so much of a fuss if pigs tried to abort their embryos, to save them from a porky, bacony fate.
i just think the way people debate these days is ridiculous, and yet it dictates how the public votes..
what an asshole, that’s just unnecessary. and it doesn’t change my viewpoint whatsoever.
oh god! i guess if this kind of thing *must* be aired it should be after 9pm, hopefully after all little kiddies are in bed. i didnt watch the clip, i just saw the picture and that alone could give a little kid nightmares. ive seen an abortion clip previously and very much wished i hadn’t, its just really sad.
On the other hand, im all for freedom of speech and if you’re really trying to grab people’s attention about an issue thats long since been old hat, you practically have to do it obscene and graphic. The public has been much too desensitized by the literary terms alone. I think people like to bury the exact goings-on of the whole affair under the word “abortion” and just toss that around. Shove pictures of aborted babies onto millions of living room screens, and more heads will snap to attention. (maybe not all, but enough to make more of the public really *think* about *exactly* what goes on during an abortion).
im pro-life with the exception of the most extreme cases where complications seriously threaten the mom’s life, apologies if the video covered it, again i couldnt stomach it myself.
Riddle me this, pro-choicers out there: how is it 2 counts of murder when a pregnant woman is killed, but a “legal right” when the woman casually decides she wants to abort? Either way, dead unborn ya? i could go on and on but i should probably stop there or this will turn into a blog/rant on the comments page.
@skyepotato - I must point out a few things here, first the masses are stupid by majority. Half of them would have stopped following half way through that long phrase you used as opposed to using “baby murder.” It kills two birds with one stone: 1) puts it in Layman’s terms, uses the least amount of wording so the masses of stupid can follow along. 2) It appeals to the emotions because thats what people live by these days. Logic and common sense are becoming more scarce and the masses would likely tune it out if their attention isn’t invested emotionally. Plus, emotions make better fuel for motivating people. Example, I was moved enough emotionally (toward frustration) to comment on this.
If it makes more women take their casual abortion decisions more seriously, (and maybe invest in and enforce more condom/birth control use in the first place), then tug away on the public’s heartstrings please!
@mrgreen51 - i think it would force the future would-be mothers of unwanted kids to think more carefully about their actions. And maybe result in the same amount of unwanted kids. Im giving the public some benefit of the doubt that a handful would smarten up and take pre-emptive actions to avoid unwanted conceptions.
@mccanarie - he didnt really take a firm stance on abortion during his campaigning and it sounds like he isnt really taking a firm stance now. action had to be taken and he trickily maneuvered it so that he’s STILL not taking a stance.
@slit_the_light - he has clearly taken a firm stance for abortion. He even voted for Dr’s and mother’s right to have the right to simply allow a baby to die on purpose by not providing immediate medical treatment that all newborns need if they weren’t successful at the actual abortion. He is a disgusting human being.
I think that it is an honest ad. Regardless of the stage a fetus is at, it is a person. This gets the message across loud and clear. I also approve that there should be a warning before it when it is aired publically, because children (and some teens even) would not understand. I am an avid supporter of life (not only am I against abortion, but also against the death penalty and other anti-life practices), and have stood outside of my local abortion clinic praying during the Forty Days for Life. I think that while a woman has a right to make desicions about her body, it isn’t her body that is being torn apart, burnt alive, or in any other way dismembered. This is true stuff– it happens, and we need to be the change in the world.
Bias viewpoint for sure… not for TV… still as always, pro-choice