January 3, 2011
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Double Standard
Is it inconsistent to send this man to jail for 16-30 years for having sex with a 14 year old girl (Here is the link: Link)
And letting this woman off with no jail time
for having sex with a 14 year old boy?
Is it inconsistent to send this man to jail for 16-30 years for having sex with a 14 year old girl (Here is the link: Link)
And letting this woman off with no jail time
for having sex with a 14 year old boy?
Comments (85)
YES IT IS
amifirst?:D
Yes.
You are right about that!
Probably, but who said the US Justice System was consistent?
OBV dan.
she’s wicked hot. just sayin
Where is the link for the story about the female? i read the link for the male, the dude was 32!
It is inconsistent but in our society the girl was molested, the boy scored. Speaks volumes. Both adults should receive equal punishment under the law.
Nope, because we all know teenage boys just want to fuck the hell out of their teachers! lol!
Yes, it is.
All I know is I’m sure my 14 year old past self would of loved to have slept with that woman, and I’m sure my 14 year old past self would have wanted justice if I had woken up next to that guy.
Are there women out there with a reverse double standard. Are there hot men they could forgive for having sex with their students, or is it just a part of our society to protect our young girls sexually and encourage our young boys to get laid as soon as possible.
Total double standard. It’s the hot female teachers you have to worry about….hopefully i don’t have any sons! A pedophile can be any gender or age. She is a pedophile and should have gone to prison….but how many men who are convicted get light sentences as well?
Yes.
Absolutely.
@Diva_Jyoti_3 - It was on his previous entry about her.:)
Well, there’s something wrong with it. There isn’t that much to the story of the girl who had sex with the older man, but the implication is that it was consensual – yet no responsibility is assigned to her, as though she is a nothing. There is no responsibility without authority, and she is allowed none. That is a powerful lesson to her. I wonder if the older gal who had sex with the 14-year-old boy learned a similar lesson early on.
I feel sorry for the older man, but then again, maybe his previous crimes were indicative of a criminal nature. I wasn’t sure whether he was being charged per act with this girl, or whether he had prior similar circumstances. Being labeled a sex offender and being imprisoned for consensual sex is a very bad thing. Pretty much ruins his life, and the main thing ruining his “victim”s life is legal intervention and the likely psychobabble she will now receive.
For sure!
@Rob_of_the_Sky - Heck, who said society was consistent?!
Yes.
Yes.
They both need to go to jail for child rape.
obviously.
Like that one guy said, just kill the mofos. Problem solved.
@TheSutraDude - QFT.
Yes because they both should have received jail time. there is no reason why she could not have also received some. i could understand if hers was a lesser amount of time.
Lolita.
for sure.
Send both their asses to jail.
Generations should not mix, sexually, until both people are at least 30.
So, it’s okay by my book for a 30 year-old woman to be with 50 year-old man, and vice versa.
Yes. It just goes to show how fair the judicial system really is. Seems like you can get away with anything with looks, fame, or money nowadays.
Definitely. The mindset seems to be “14 year old boy shacked up with a grown woman? Good job! *pats on back*” and “14 year old girl shacks up with a grown man? WHOREWHOREWHOREWHORE”
Well — look at that guy! He’s ugly! No girl would voluntarily have sex with him. It MUST have been forced. But the woman — she’s hot. We’ll excuse her — she’s just being sexy. /randomjuror
UPDATE: After reading the link, there are extenuating circumstances that make these cases very different.
The woman is a one-time offender (I think), and it may have been twisted at her trial that she is a public good, because as a public servant, she is helping everyone out by making their kids better, as a teacher (although, if she’s got a kid fetish, her choice of careers is a very disturbing sign) — and thus, as a person of good character, who made a mistake, she should get leniency, blah, blah, blah.
The man is basically an excon. I disagree with rabid, prejudiced people who see a sex offender and automatically think to murder them (hey, age-confusion-based accidents DO happen (and the punishment should fit the crime)), however, in this case, this guy has demonstrated that he is a threat to society on more than one level, and that he is a little bit incorrigible.
So, the two cases don’t compare. If they DID compare, I’d argue that sex is different for a male than for a female. If there was no justice system (and no health system), males would have no immediate consequences for sex — they could just do it, and walk away. Females, on the other hand, are sometimes left with a pretty major life altering consequence — their bodies swell in a large way, and they are suddenly responsible for another human being. In the sense that the law exists to make things fair, females might already get a jail term for sex, in a way — albeit, a limited, 9 month / 18 year jail term. (By the way, wanna limit the burden on women? Lower the age of majority to 16 years. That way it will only be for 16 years that a single woman will be required to care for an unplanned child.)
Speaking as a guy, I can remember how I would have LOVED to have sex with a few certain older women, around the age of 12 — not 14. Would that have psychologically damaged me? Would my childhood have been ruined? I don’t think so. I regret taking so long to mature — maybe that would have actually helped me. The only thing that hurt me more than anything, was the the law saying I couldn’t work as a young teenager, and get my independence. I think the cruelest thing the law does is keep teenagers in circumstances that they can’t get out of, like high school, and troubled families. If I could have, I would have left and gotten a job, as a teenager, and made my own life. I think my life would have been enormously better, if I had that independence.
(We don’t have sweatshops around to exploit people much anymore — in our future, service oriented economy, we will all be busboys.)
No doubt about it.
Yep.
@red_rook - do you ever see hot men go free from a crime? because i sure as hell don’t! lol. so i believe it’s the latter statement.
I just want to kick both of the in the face.
i don’t think that he ought to be sent to prison. the situation just doesn’t require that imho.
ANYONE who commits these acts on children deserves to rot in jail forever. And not the jails today with cable TV and nice-(for jail)-meals. They should be thrown in a dusty old cell with nothing but a hole in the floor and a very small window to show them what they gave up for a few minutes of sick pleasure.
Harming children is one of the most disgusting thing any living being can do.
There are 2 ethical principles going on–at least what I feel inside me. 1st, the knee jerk gut reaction mania of the whole pedophilia mania. Gung-ho, hang-’em-high, take no prisoners. 2nd, the ancient chivalrous urge to treat a woman gentle–or at least rough that a man.
The feminists think chivalry is degrading, antithetical to equality, and secretly patronizing. I feel like, given the awful pandemic of battered women, do we want to deconstruct the chivalry consensus? Or whatever you want to call it?
Do we cringe at the thought of a woman doing hard time? Or capital punishment? Of course we do. Am I living in a glass bubble, picturing all women as more refined, gentler, lovelier than men? Of course I am. But I think that anyone who goes out of their way to undo an ethical principle that treats someone well has crap for brains. Which isn’t quite an answer to the question.
@UpOnTop - yours is a wise reply
so i call notice to it.
@ShimmerBodyCream - lol
yes very inconsistent. while it depends on the situation( is this person a threat to society or not?) there shouldnt be that big a gap in punishment for the same crime, simply because of the sex of the offender.
if it isnt rape(forced) and they dont look/act like a child as much as its wierd i dont think it deserves really long prison sentences.
im sure the fact she is pretty, helped her case. if the judge was a guy, i bet he was thinking ‘ if i was 14, and could of fucked her i would of’. i mean she is attractive!
its an odd topic now a days. when i was 14 i sure wasnt innocent and sure fancied one of my teachers
From what I’ve read in the articles you’ve provided, yes, absolutely. And 16 years in prison is completely ridiculous for that man.
Not sure what society expects when it allows itself to be artificially hyperstimulated 24/7 in the name of entertainment. The kids were victims to be sure, but these people are also casualties.
@TheSutraDude - agreed
Definitely inconsistent. And… although I haven’t given it tooo much thought, there is something worse about raping/coercing a woman (or girl) than there is a boy (if it was consensual in the boy scenario)
Still, she should have gotten at least SOME jail time. That is totally unfair.
wow. sad. yes, this is a huge double standard…
Very much so.
YES.
Yes it is.
Both broke the law-both need to pay the price.
catzndogz9
Yes, it is a double standard. Just because the 14-year-old boy might have thought he “scored” or been treated as if he did doesn’t mean there would have been no damage to him from the situation or that it would have been good for him in the long run.
They both should have gone to jail.
yes, it seems very inconsistent.
I wish I was a 14 year old boy.
But she’s soooo gorgeous..
Yes.
I don’t even think it’s because she’s JUST a woman. I mean, if a woman who weighed 300 lbs and was ugly did this, she’d be in jail. Debra, honestly, is gorgeous. I’m sure most ppl think that the boy liked/wanted it.
Also, the victims family wanted to get out of the spotlight, so they accepted a plea deal. I bet she’d be in jail if they didn’t agree to anything.
Very inconsistent.
Yes! If you sleep with a 14 year old boy, you should be given the same sentence as a man who sleeps with a 14 year old girl. It is such an obvious, sexist double standard.
YES, it is
Of course! It really is sad.
She’s hot and good at sitting on a motorcycle in a bikini. He just looks like the guy who takes my order at Taco Bell.
Its wrong but it doesn’t surprise me. Most child molesters and rapists are not even punished severely and usually repeat offenders because they just keep letting them out. The system is fucked up.
It sure is!
Yeppers.
Court wasn’t aiming for consistency so much as they were “justice.” It is easy to defend a women in America, and he’s creepy looking. Case closed.
Yes.
Definitely a double standard there. No matter what the gender of the adult is, they should go to jail for sex with minors.
They both need to be in jail.
It is inconsistent but there does exist a very valid double standard. Let’s face it, the 14 year old girl was taken advantage of, the 14 year old boy on the other hand, well the lucky bastard.
because that guy looks like the stereotypical creepster. if he looked like jude law, I’d set him free and get his phone number
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definite double standard .
yyeeeaaah!
The woman should have gone to jail. I read the article you posted about the man though, and it said he had prior convictions from a “home invasion” and an “assault”. This could have factored into the sentencing. Add that to the fact that he was trying to take her to
Mexico (an Amber alert was issued) which is kidnapping, his sentencing doesn’t seem harsh. It seems fair. I would also like to point out, although this doesn’t diminish the fact that YES the woman IS a pedophile and should have been punished to the full extent of the law, that at the time of the intercourse, then man was 32 and the woman was 23.
So (between these two cases) I don’t think it’s inconsistent given the nature of the crimes and the mans prior convictions. Your basic point is valid though. There is a double standard.
It is double standard… A 14 year old is a child whether it is a boy or girl. In my opinion both must be send to prison for life.
Is it fair?
Maybe this is just payback for the same inconsistency that seems to hurt the male gender on so many things.
Definitely.. it’s so unfair! =(
@red_rook - agreed!
YES. SEND HER TO JAIL. RAPE IS WRONG.
Yes, it’s inconsistent. Unfortunately, our justice system sucks like that sometimes.
Absolutely.
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Yes.
Yeah but she’s hot/sexy/i’d do her…so its fine. But HIM I would not, therefore its ok. But seriously NOT COOL. Very unjust for her to go free. Same crime should equal the same punishment.
Looks like this guy was not only a repeat offender, but kidnapped the girl (though the girl went along with it willingly) and was planning on taking her to mexico with him so that they could live together. I don’t know about what happened with the lady who slept with the boy, but if that’s all she did, then it might make sense.
Having known someone who experienced a similar situation, that man got far too many years in jail. But like merfolklore said, the article doesn’t state exactly why he got so many years. And, there is no link to the other story at all. But assuming it was a similar story, she also should have received some jail time. Ideally, for equal crimes and equal criminal histories, they should receive equal time and consequences.