February 16, 2011
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Killing an Abortion Doctor
A group in South Dakota are trying to make it legal to kill an abortion doctor who is attempting to take the life of an unborn baby.
The bill will read “Homicide is justifiable if committed by any person while resisting any attempt to murder such person, or to harm the unborn child of such person in a manner and to a degree likely to result in the death of the unborn child, or to commit any felony upon him or her, or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person is.”
Here is the link: Link
If you think about it, you wouldn’t just stand back and let someone kill a baby.
Do you think it should be legal to protect an unborn baby from murder?
Comments (134)
yes it should be legal to protect an unborn baby from murder, but I am in no way, shape or form, supportive of the death penalty, for anyone.
If someone asked if I would catch a grenade for them I’d ask if they’d want to be my hands…oh wait, wrong post.
O HELL NAW.
Of course not. Person > Fetus, tyvm.
If by “protecting” you mean “murdering an abortion doctor”, then nope. The murder of doctors who perform abortions should not be legal.
Why are they punishing the abortion provider who can only work at the consent of the mother?
It’ll never pass.
@kkrriiissyy - Sadly, it has already passed the State House of Representatives…
Yes and no. If you are genuinely pro-life, then you wouldn’t take the life of a child OR of an abortion doctor. While abortion is still legal, we should respect the laws that protect what they do, even if we disagree with it. I am, however, all for the death penalty. If it were illegal to perform abortions in that state (and the charge was 1st degree murder), then I suppose that would be legit. To my knowledge, though, it’s not and, therefore, there is no reason at all to kill an abortion doctor.
Homicide to prevent homicide….hummm how much sense does that really make… would you kill someone to prevent someone from stepping on your toe? And if you don’t want the abortion just don’t go to the clinic. DUH. no need to kill someone for doing their job.
I think making it legal to kill an abortion doctor, is opening a lot of very dangerous doors. Not to mention, just a tad crazy.
If there’s anyone who should be punished, it’s the mother.
She’s the one who concieved of abortion. She’s the one paying for the abortion. She’s the one directing otherwise honorable physicians to murder.
Anti-abortion killers have it all wrong. George Tiller didn’t deserve to die, mothers do!
This. Is. Stupid. Pro-choice forever.
Wow, now that there is a special kind of crazy. Because if passed, people would do it. And if you happened to be an abortion doctor, it might not even be worth going into work anymore, even though it would still technically be your job and you would have a moral obligation to provide that service to anyone in need of it.
This is silly. How is killing the doctor,( who will just be replaced by another doctor) that does in UNBORN humans at the ORDER of the PARENT going to do anything? They’re just doing their job. The one that is doing the real “killing” of something that isn’t even born yet, is their parent so if you want to pick an eye for an eye from someone, pick it from their parent, since the parent is responsible for their child, not the doctor.
@Celestial_Teapot - But then why not kill the guy who got her pregnant, and his parents for having him. But if we killed all them the poor unborn baby would be a ward of the state and the same Republican hypocrites who protected it would then try to kill it off because it costs too much money to let it live. Slippery slope indeed. Easier to kill the FETUS.
@AceValentineRocks - Such an application of the law would not stand.
A woman’s right over her own body is fundamental and her right to abortion is Constitutional. If this law applied to legal abortions, then it would erect a Constitutionally prohibited barrier to her seeking an abortion.
Even the most conservative judges understands Supreme Court cases and their implications. Even if they disagree with Roe v. Wade, they have no choice but to recognize it has the highest law of the land.
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
Ok, it’s not like abortion doctors have mystical powers of finding pregnant women, drag them into their office, and force them to have an abortion so they can make a living. These women are making a conscious, private decision and it should be left as such. Humanity is going in the freaking toilet. No wonder everyone outside of the U.S. hates us.
I think murder should be legal in general. If everyone knew that they were a potential murder victim they’d be more careful not to rub people the wrong way and the result would be peace on earth.
Fucking stupid.
The mother is the one going to get an abortion in the first place.
what? how is that justified? i don’t get it. you give consent for abortions. what be like, “oh cool yeah totally kill this fetus out of me! ALRIGHT NOW YOU MUST DIE!”
actually a fetus doesnt have a heart beat until 9 wks old. hence why abortion is usually the safest on the mother below 9wks. after that they have to suction the baby out.
of course if it is a healthy baby and the mother has no reason to abort the fetus, she should be advised to take any other route possible, but if she chooses abortion the doctor should not be punished for doing his job. and the death penalty is wrong for a million reasons. abortion isn’t murder if it isn’t a fully formed person.
in regards to the abortion issue, i think who lawmakers should really target is the to-be fathers … making them take responsibility for their actions and to stand by the mother…. making sure she is physically, emotionally, and financially taken care of. i feel like it would result in less women choosing to abort their unborn babies.
Yes it should be illegal. I want more prom night dumpster babies. They were so entertaining on Family Guy.
I do not believe abortion is murder is specific cases like the 12 year old girl who was raped by her father and gotten pregnant. this is a big mess with so many for and against. the people who want to kill the abortion dr are as guilty of murder as they accuse him of being.
What? It is now legal to murder someone for murdering someone. Who made the decision one human life is more important then others? Why are babies better then doctors? You can kill doctors but not babies? I am completely anti abortion in every way shape and form. But this is just completely hippocritical.
You framed the question in an odd way, like you’re push polling. It would be an incredibly stupid law and I think virtually everyone knows it, even if some choose to play devil’s advocate for the sake of a silly debate (and to try proving they’re holier than thou in a strange way). So it’s another empty gesture from the right, scoring points with fringe elements who believe their favorite mythology book is literal truth. Also, the planet is on the verge of a catastrophic overpopulation problem, and it might not make much difference, but I really don’t think we need to bring more unwanted children along for the ride.
Damn it Dan, I took you off my friend’s list once for wasting my time with non-issues like this, don’t make me do it again lol. We as a society have decided murder is wrong (unless the government is doing it). We haven’t decided abortion is murder.
So much for being “pro-life”
Anti-choicers make me laugh.
this is wrong and sick on so many levels.
killing an abortion doctor because he is aborting babys? no, hell no.
person > fetus
you are going back to the times of hammurapi.
@tymedancer
exactly! well said.
@Nevermore_Nightmare -
“No wonder everyone outside of the U.S. hates us.” Untrue.
*Facepalm* No, Dan, that’s a lie. The actual bill does not mention abortion, nor would it apply to abortion doctors. All it does is legally protect someone who comes to the defense of a pregnant woman.
To kill those who kill? Where is the justice in that?
This won’t solve a thing and, in fact, will just make things worse. There are better ways to fight against abortion doctors and those whol support them. After all, one day they will have to stand before The Righteous Judge and account for their choice to kill the unborn.
RAZOR897 - Sorry, Charlie, but that fight isn’t over with. A “woman’s ‘right’ to choose” is a euphemism for infanticide, and hardly a “victory”. As I stated, there are better ways to fight for the right to life….
I’m from South Dakota and this story is so warped. The abortion side has twisted this. It was never about killing abortion doctors. If someone kills an abortion doctor (I don’t think there is one in South Dakota anymore), it would be murder under the new law. It’s about boyfreinds trying to punch their girlfriends in the stomach in order to kill the child.
When I read this, I didn’t think of abortion at all. I thought of someone coming to the defense of a pregnant woman who is being forcibly attacked. I don’t know the story behind this bill, so maybe it is about about abortion but I highly doubt it. I am curious what made people think that this clause would be applicable legally practicing doctors performing abortions?
Still, I think the most disturbing part of this post are the comments people have made on it. I find it discouraging how many people are ready to accept this interpretation as “truth” without any question or research of their own. People hear what they want to hear.
@Yoru_Kendo - ok sorry for the generalization…but either way, I wouldn’t blame anyone for hating us lol.
All one needs to ask is these two questions, “Do I care about human life in the least?” if so then, “What’s worse, one death or tens of thousands?”
I wonder how we would solve all our problems if we couldn’t kill each other (legally or illegally). . Let’s say that we wake up one morning and discover that we are Immortal. Of course, we are initially delighted. Until the first disagreement then: “WTF??? Now what am I going to do because I disagree with you?” Bah!
[If you think about it, you wouldn't just stand back and let someone kill a baby.]
Impressive Danny boy. Quite impressive. You’re nothing but a sick, moronic fuck.
All naysayers are defending contract killers. The only differences between an abortion doctor and a hit man is that the former works in an office and does more jobs in a day.
If this passes, I actually do see people – perhaps fundies, but people nonetheless – going out and killing abortion doctors ASAP.
Vigilante justice! Woohoo! This kind of legislation is ignorant and so are its supporters.
It will never get through the court/appeals process. It’s a publicity stunt to stir up the natives, just like so much of politics.
There are several answers here I’m seeing that I agree with.
If a person is TRULY pro-life, then they are against murdering the doctors too. While what abortion doctors do is horrendous & detestable, this is not the answer. (Not to mention a vast percentage – I think – of pro-lifers are probably Christian or another religion; and the Bible specifically says NOT to kill (Ex 12:13).
Also, like another said – this is just crazy! So, they’re trying to make it legal for Joe Schmoe (who may be a freak killer who gets off on killing in the first place) to randomly walk into an abortion clinic & to just murder the doctor? Or are we talking the death penalty like for any other regular criminal?
I also liked the reply about punishing the [pregnant woman] (I refuse to use the word mother as she did because a mother is someone who loves and protects her children and this does not apply here) who requests the end of her child’s life before it has even had much time to exist. Without these women, these doctors wouldn’t be doing what they’re doing.
Anyone pro-choice REALLY should look at pictures, videos, etc of HOW these procedures are done. Why support something you cannot even fully discuss or see done on video? ESPECIALLY late term – that is 100% murder by ANYONE’S measure and there is no way around that. If we can’t make all abortions legal, I think it would be comforting if abortion past 12 weeks was illegal (by 12 weeks all organs and systems are formed and just have to mature & develop & baby already looks like a little tiny newborn and heart starts beating at 6 weeks) – the later the pregnancy the worse it is for baby.
Umm.. I don’t really understand this. Typically isn’t it the mother wanting to kill her child, so she goes to the doctor who was not involved in the decision-making to get it done? Why would they kill the doctor for carrying out her wishes? I am pro-life but this bill is sort of crazy.
And Americans wonder why people outside of the U.S. think they are nuts … I know it’s not all Americans, or even most, but these fringe crazies are the loudest, and it does give a negative impression of the country.
@jasonwl - Umm, are you saying you’re actually FOR this passing into law? I’m hoping I’m misunderstanding here. Now, if ONE death really would save “tens of thousands” as you put it, then heck! I think 80% of people would be all for that schmuck’s death to save the masses. However, that’s just now how it is. If only it were that simple & easy to save the unborn.
Here is the bill…
“FOR AN ACT ENTITLED, An Act to expand the definition of justifiable homicide to provide for the protection of certain unborn children.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF SOUTH DAKOTA:
Section 1. That § 22-16-34 be amended to read as follows:
22-16-34. Homicide is justifiable if committed by any person while resisting any attempt to murder such person, or to harm the unborn child of such person in a manner and to a degree likely to result in the death of the unborn child, or to commit any felony upon him or her, or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person is.
Section 2. That § 22-16-35 be amended to read as follows:
22-16-35. Homicide is justifiable if committed by any person in the lawful defense of such person, or of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant, or the unborn child of any such enumerated person, if there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony, or to do some great personal injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished”
The way it reads to me is that pregnant mothers are now justified in the murder of anyone trying to “commit any felony” against her or her unborn child. How could an abortion doctor be committing a felony against her or her unborn child if she there to have an abortion of her own accord? (Assuming he is only performing the procedure that the mother has asked him to preform.) Seems to me that a lot of people are blowing this whole thing WAY out of proportion….
@randomneuralfirings - Exactly….everyone is up in arms over the whole “abortion doctor” thing which is not even mentioned – more common are the injury and attempted/real murder of pregnant women by persons other than abortion doctors, in which case anyone should be able to exercise coming to the aid of and defending that woman. Also, I read in another article that South Dakota actually has no abortion providers in the state – one has to be flown in once a week. I kind of doubt that one abortion doctor who’s in the state once a week will be in any actual danger. Y
ou don’t exactly see a woman’s family going to the abortion clinic with her to prevent her from getting the abortion or to try to stop the doctor. Usually those who seek an abortion have the support, or worse, pressure to do so by their boyfriend/father/family, or go alone because they tell no one. This law seems more intended to protect those women who actually value their unborn babies and want to keep them, should anyone try to harm them or their babies, making it a crime to harm those babies and making it defensible to come to their defense in a crime. I don’t think anyone, even pro-life advocates, think it is okay to go around killing abortion doctors.
This is why everyone on the earth hate americans.
I am all for protecting the unborn. But I think this crowd is going at it all wrong. But I will always think it takes a monster to chop up an unborn baby, or chemically burn her to death. It goes against the whole mindset of what a doctor is SUPPOSED to be devoting their lives to.
This is absolute nonsense. The hypocrisyof display is chilling.
Perhaps they should edit the bill to allow people to kill the mother who chose to have an abortion after the procedure. It is just irrational to take out their anguish on the doctor. The only person to blame is the mother who made the decision to have an abortion in the first place. Whether abortion is acceptable is another discussion, but this very idea is just outrageous.
I heard that this morning on the news……I was hoping I had heard that wrong.
This is stupid whether your for or against abortion I mean really. People are weird.
@Kimmybeth - To me it looks like a right to defend with lethal force, but only if necessary and not initially intended, extended to the [defense of] the unborn.
Like the comedian said, it’s all in the timing.
Of course the murder of anyone should not be legal. And this includes unborn children.
Abortion isn’t illegal. They’re trying to find a way around abortion not being illegal, but it can’t be done. If they want to legally stop people from performing abortions, they have to make abortion illegal.
You don’t have to murder an abortion doctor in order to protect an unborn child. Violence is so out of the question on this one. What this legislation is doing is setting a precedent for the unborn to receive her right to life just like everyone else.
I honestly do think the language in the bill was meant to protect people who come to the aid of a pregnant woman, but I am sure there are people that would try to use that law to protect themselves in court if they murdered an abortion provider. What conclusion the court would come to in such a case, can’t say.
ha ha ha i think it’s pretty cool, and would love to try it out, if it passes
Wow, your posts are showing me how ridiculous people in this country have become.
@wildchildofthebluemoon - Agreed.
This is stupid.
I think abortions should be legal and killing someone to avoid killing another is hypocritical. What gives someone the right to kill another out of their justifiable beliefs and to force someone to live their life the way someone else deems corrupt? It’s the mothers right to abort if she chooses, not the neighbor and especially not someone who thinks society must abide by their specific moral laws without regard to the individuals decisions.
Have you ever noticed that the people who are all out for these kinds of bills and either, a.) women who haven’t been in the situation that would call for that choice or b.) men, who in my opinion should keep their mouths shut about a woman choosing to abort a fetus. I have gone through the ordeal of making the decision to to have an abortion then going through with the actual procedure. And I will tell you;
It was nobody else’s god damn business what I was doing with my body. If one more person violates my right to have control over my body I will take that bible they are thumping and shove it down there condescending throat. If you’ve never gone through that ordeal then you need to take a step back and give those women respect and the right to have control over their body and life.
and if you simple can’t do that, then dont complain when your taxes are paying for my food, housing, medical, children, and insurance because I had a baby before I was ready and never finished school or got a decent job.
I cannot stand hearing people use welfare as a “good” reason to have abortion legal. Or saying that it is their body. IT IS NOT YOUR BODY THAT YOU ARE CUTTING UP INTO TINY PIECES. IT IS NOT YOUR LIFE YOU ARE ENDING HEINOUSLY. I am NOT for this kind of a bill that makes it legal to go shooting people up for performing abortions for similar reasons to why I’m not for abortion being legal. Even without the Bible (which I basically stop listening to anyone’s argument when they bash the Bible), abortion is still NOT okay. It is murder.
For those of you who claim you deserve respect because you’ve gone through it – it wasn’t done TO you. YOU CHOSE IT. So don’t demand respect from me. I will respect the woman who chose to go through a MUCH HARDER CHOICE to give her child life & give the child up if she didn’t want the baby or couldn’t afford to raise the baby or what not. Adoptions can be open or closed – so none of this bullshit please about whatever. If you want to be in the child’s life, you can. It is limited, but it is there. Or if you prefer not to, then hey there is that option too. I respect women who respect a person’s right to live whether they are inside the womb or outside of that womb.
@charak - Everyone on Earth doesn’t hate American. I know this for a fact. But I can say that I don’t like you with your attitude. *lol*
@Kimmybeth - You’re an ignorant cunt.
Cut up bodies? Murder?
They body hasnt formed by the point that abortion can be performed, no body=no cutting up. And last time I checked, you can’t murder what isnt a human yet. A cluster of cells isnt a human.
And you can tell me how horrible of a person I am, and that I’m a murderer and I dont deserve your respect, but I will never. I REPEAT NEVER. Send a child into the foster care/ adoption system.
. And one final rant. It is my body, it’s fucking mine. If you can take this little “human” out and let it develop on its own then fine. But while I have to have it in MY FUCKING BODY, it’s still my choice.
Because killing a living, BREATHING adult with family, kids, friends, etc. Is MUCH more moral than an abortion…..
@Kimmybeth - Maybe you should pay for the prenatal, labor, and delivery then. Oh and pay the extra taxes it will take to keep all those kids in state care, or the legal fees for a private adoption.
Craziness abounds in this world, I guess. :d
@RainDropPixie - I agree and disagree.
It’s not murder if it isn’t a living, breathing human being. But as for this Kimmybeth, I dont thing she realizes the situations and problems a young adult faces through considering abortion and adoption. It’s expensive whatever you chose.
@Kimmybeth - I agree with you. Loved your comment!
@RAZOR897 - nice guitar work there!
@Kimmybeth - As a fact I can also tell that everybody hate your attitude too. Since you are a fucking Jesus freaks and you can’t even imagine yourself 2 seconds in the shoes of a woman that was raped, or has no money to raise a child in a healthy environnment, or is 14 years-old and pregnant, or want to go to university, etc etc.
I find a bit of hypocrisy in this.
From what I read, It didn’t sound like people could just skip down to an abortion clinic and shoot it up. Abortion is still legal. Of course there will still be the wacko’s who definitely don’t need a bill passed to do something like that. There are extremists on both sides. That will always be the case, unfortunately.
In fact, what I read, and from what I understand, I would agree with the person who said that a lot of people are blowing this way out of proportion. Just sayin…
This is quite simply barbaric.
I am 100% pro life, but I think it’s just as bad for killing that man. Yes, he aborts babies, but if he didn’t, the women who want abortions would most likely be killing themselves AND their babies because they’d do it themselves.
The man didn’t deserve to die. Even though, I am completely against what he did.
I’d prefer to just criminalize the act first. But that is the next logical step if you agree with lethal self defense/defense of others and believe that life starts at conception.
so you could also kill someone trying to kill a doctor attempting to abort a fetus? fair trade. May the best man win.
I think it should be legal to kill someone who you think might be going to kill an abortion doctor.
I don’t think abortion is murder.
Those people don’t seem to be prolife. They seem to be promurder.
lol… why aren’t we killing pedophiles instead? I don’t see a protest for that…..
like an eye for and eye has ever really worked. I cannot believe the ignorance of people. The whole point is it is the mother who should be free to make her own choices when it comes to her own body,her own family, her own life. Killing an abortion doctor is beyond stupidity….I am at a loss for words.
You can protect without sanctioning the murder of another human being. Also, I don’t know about the law in South Dakota, but is abortion legal there? I’m going to assume it is not, otherwise it wouldn’t make sense for it to be okay with killing someone who isn’t doing anything illegal.
Soooo, let’s prevent murder by murdering someone… good one.
I don’t even consider abortion murder personally.
@VeritatisAmans - hmmm… I agree with just about everything that you said… way to go.
Protecting an unborn child’s life should definitely be the priority of everyone, and I believe that should be written into law…but not like this. Evil begets evil. People are smart when they use the brains God gave them…can’t they come up with a better way? I don’t believe that any one of us has the right to take a life, and it’s dangerous for us to go around thinking that way. If this law were ever passed (which I highly doubt), it would open the door for so much destruction. This is asinine. It’s not the answer we need.
Even so, I have to say…the lot of you who think nothing of aborting a human child are not only incredibly ignorant, but you’re also hypocrites. It’s not okay to kill the doctor who would perform the abortion, but it’s okay to eliminate an innocent human being just because they happen to be at your mercy? The moment that baby breathes his first breath outside the womb, it becomes illegal to kill him…explain that one to me. Abortion is an awfully barbaric practice for such a supposedly advanced society. I will never understand this way of thinking. And I don’t want to.
Haha – that’s quite hypocritical don’t ya think.
Don’t kill something that hasn’t even been born yet but go ahead – kill a person.
What is this world coming to?
@asdfghjkl0165 - You’re wrong. At least 29 states would say so. If you kill a pregnant woman and her child is also killed, you will be charged with double murder.
Um…excuse me, but WHAT THE FLYING FUCK?!?!?
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@Bobby - agreed. It’s not like the doctor is forcing an abortion on the mother.
@asdfghjkl0165 -
“They body hasnt formed by the point that
abortion can be performed, no body=no cutting up. And last time I
checked, you can’t murder what isnt a human yet. A cluster of cells isnt
a human.” – your quote
Shows how much you know. Here is what the GOVERNMENT website says about when most abortions happen:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5212a1.htm
58% of abortions happen at less than 8 weeks ( by the way: the heart is beating at 5/6 weeks, some sources say sooner)
88% of abortions happen at less than 13 weeks
4.3 of abortions happen between 16-20 weeks (which during an ultrasound you can already see the baby is all developed and organ systems are just maturing and finalizing – you can see gender, thumb sucking, etc). Women’s stomachs are already swollen at this point.
1.4% of abortions happened AFTER 21 weeks.
THERE IS PLENTY OF PAIN GOING ON FOR BABY FOR ABORTIONS YOU SICK & IGNORANT __________ (insert heinous derogatory name calling here).
Now that I’ve disproved your uneducated claim that abortions don’t mutilate/burn & murder helpless, innocent & defenseless babies, I’m going to show you how early the HUMAN baby develops so you won’t be so uneducated on that point as well.
Here’s a quote from http://bellsouthpwp.net/m/a/maryb683/marybrown/6-7wkfetus.htm
“By the end of the fifth week of pregnancy, the fetus has the beginnings of vertebrae,
a bony jaw and clavicle, developing eyes, ears, and nose, a closed circulatory system,
a working heart, lungs, limbs, hands, feet, and a pancreas. By the end of the sixth week of
pregnancy, the fetus has a vertebral column, a bony jaw and clavicle, a primative cranium,
ribs, a developing nervous system, a closed circulatory system with a working heart,
developing eyes, ears, and nose, lungs, limbs, hands, feet, a pancreas, a bladder, kidneys,
a tongue, a larynx, a thyroid body, and germs of teeth.”
Now, I think quite lowly of you based on your reply & your language. You don’t see me stooping to your level. That’s the difference between good & bad. Nevermind your selfishness with the whole “if I can’t have you nobody can” toward the poor child who found himself or herself inside your womb. If it isn’t an acceptable attitude for men to have towards women (or vice versa) resulting in murder, then why is it okay from a mother toward her child? There is nothing wrong with choosing life and entrusting that child to others.
I’ve known a woman who was adopted. She was just fine. For those who aren’t adopted – I’ve not met anyone like that but I’m sure that the vast majority of them are thankful to their birth mother for at least one thing – their life. The chance to fall in love, have friends, enjoy life, have a family of their own as adults. I also have had two friends get abortions. I’ve never said one judgemental, unkind thing to them. It wouldn’t be right. One of them, it was because of her health having been a double lung transplant recipient her body was too weak to carry a child. If someone like that has that happen to them like my friend did, it isn’t right to be anything but kind to them. However, they should probably get a hysterectomy to prevent themselves and another tiny unborn human from having to go through that awful thing.
I am not in support of the death penalty at all. I also do not support abortion. Both end a life. It is our job to love, it is God’s job to judge.
@charak - And can these people not imagine for two seconds not having sex unless they have a commitment from the person they’re about to have sex with? Can a 14 year old not think before acting? Maybe it’s time people learned that they can’t do whatever the heck they please without any kind of consequence. That baby shouldn’t have to pay for their mother’s mistake.
In the case of rape – two wrongs don’t make a right.
Besides you’re being awfully intolerant and judgmental yourself. So if you want to see a change, take Michael Jackson’s advice and take a look in the mirror and make the change.
@RainDropPixie - Maybe you should get a hysterectomy. I’m sure taxpayers are better off that way.
i don’t think it should be legal at all.
some people get abortions because maybe they don’t want the baby to have a bad home.sure they could give it up for adoption.but maybe having a baby wasn’t right for them because they could be too young. or under bad circumstances.but killing another person because they’re doing their job isn’t right.
lol, these comments are out of control.
Woah! You’re still here!
Hello!
I’m Charis. Basically, from the time I was 13 until I was about 16 I read your blog and found it quite interesting.
For some reason, it popped up in my brain today and I thought I’d come spy and see if you were still here.
It’s great to see that parts of the xanga community are still thriving. I’ve missed it very much.
It’s really a shame that it’s (xanga) not as popular as it used to be.
Anywho! Good to see you’re still around. This whole website is making me feel so stinking nostalgic.
Actually I had a sonogram at 7 wks pregnant and got to hear my baby’s heartbeat.
Problem is, “abortion doctors” are normal OB/GYNs. Also: embryos/blastocysts/zygotes/fetuses ARE NOT babies. The end. Can we please, as a nation, learn the difference?
@Kimmybeth - ROFL naaaah…I need to pump out more kids for the state to take care. Maybe a few crack babies, or FAS babies.
according to that logic, the mother should be shot too, since it was the mother who order the abortion, but then, killing the mother would certainly kill the fetus, that would mean the shooter should be shot as well.
Um.. why not just kill the mother, too, then? This makes no sense. Stupid hypocrites wanting to kill a doctor…
What if the mother had complications, like her body can’t handle the birth of a baby and she may die from childbirth? There may be reasons why people consider abortion, and go to an abortion doctor for it. The doctor shouldn’t die for doing his job.
@SuperEvilPopTart64 - I just want to point out that maybe to you the
“embryos/blastocysts/zygotes/fetuses” aren’t babies – but to those who WANT
their child(ren), it most certainly is. So let’s not try to brainwash our entire country.
By the way – a “fetus” is labeled as
such from 8/9 weeks gestation (depending on your source) until birth. It is
ridiculous that a child has to be 100% emerged from the birth canal before being
labeled a “baby.” So sad that people can be so cold hearted. NOTHING changes
between the moments before the baby emerges from the birth canal & the time
they are completely birthed. So how is that child NOT a baby the day before
it’s birth? The month before it’s birth? Etc.
Also, if those “cells” aren’t a baby…. then why do SO MANY THOUSANDS of
people who suffer through a natural miscarriage grieve? If it “isn’t a baby”
then why do a percentage of women who go through an abortion feel guilt or
suffer emotionally afterward?
I wish we could develop a procedure to remove the baby from the mother so that she’s free from her unwanted pregnancy, but we could still keep the baby alive.
But then you’ve got an overpopulation problem for sure…
Only if she is being physically forced into an abortion, but, really, when does that happen? While I don’t agree with abortion, I don’t agree with the death penalty either, at least not in this country.
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This is an interesting question. Kind of stupid though; as long as abortion is a legal practice, it will never be legal to kill an abortion doctor. They’re wasting their time.
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How did this bill pass the House…jeez, the woman CONSENTED to the abortion, so killing the abortion doctor means the death of a human being and that the mother might go through more drastic ways to abort the baby, especially if HER life is endangered. Although no one life is greater than another, that’s at least a deficit of 1 life, maybe 2, and, although it’s a difficult choice, aborting an embryo/fetus is probably better than the deaths of multiple people. Also, a lot of the time, we’re talking about 1st trimester – not even technically a fetus.
@SKANLYN - Except, you know, the sociopaths that don’t give a damn about anyone and will just kill people because they want to. World peace doesn’t solve psychological disorders. Also, even as a troll post, that was sad.
It’s fucking stupid that anyone thinks this is alright.
May all the babies we /save/ become abortion doctors.
@darkangel6541 - First dummy, you’re talking about a psychopath not a sociopath. Second, they wouldn’t stop killing because that’s what they wanted to do. They would stop killing because murdering someone would create an incentive for someone to murder them. It’s the same idea as the nuclear deterrent that kept us from going to war with Soviets you shit-for-brains asshole. Now I will build a time machine so I can go back and visit your pregnant mom in the hope of convincing her to abort your sorry ass.
Most of you are rejecting the main point: the George Tillers are here to do a service, that while not pretty, is often necessary. Late term abortions are never for anyone’s convenience. They aren’t even for the mental health of someone who was raped or the victim of incest. They are because the fetus has died/is dying(or will die during birth) or because the mother’s life is in danger.
Before legal abortion my aunt was pregnant. The fetus died. She was forced to carry that fetus around for three months until her body finally expelled it’s rotting stinking corpse, because abortion was illegal. Her mind went during that torture and she was never the same again.
Even early term abortions have reasons. Although most are due tot he quality of life rather than life itself. Still, until we can PREVENT unwanted pregnancies(which are truth be told, only unwanted at that time) abortion must remain legal for all reasons, and doctors must be protected.
We are not a third world nation. We are a democracy with personal freedoms.
Personal freedoms are not cheap. Nor are they easy. Not everyone will agree with the freedom chosen by another. But we can be civil and respect that.
A true prolife person would be against abortion, murder of a doctor, war against a country that doesn’t directly threaten us and against the death penalty. And yet, so many pro lifers are saying, yes, make it legal to murder a doctor for doing his legal job.
it should never be legal to kill anyone
They want to end informed consent for medical procedures far more than they care about mothers and babies, dead or alive. There is money
in mandatory medical procedures, drugs, whether needed or not. Roe vs. Wade is about whether our bodies belong to us or not.All kinds of implications, and a very slippery slope it is.
@Bunny1CryMeaRainbow - I have to agree with you. It is a very slippery slope. I constantly tell people that I’m 100% Pro-Choice and it doesn’t start or end at abortion.
I want to CHOOSE my method of contraception. I want to CHOOSE when I get pregnant. I want to CHOOSE who I go to for my prenatal care (OB, Doula, Midwife). I want to CHOOSE how I have my baby (water, squatting, etc). I want to CHOOSE where I have my baby (Birthing center, Hospital, Home, etc). I want to CHOOSE how I care for my baby (Parenting types, Vaccines or not, etc). I want to CHOOSE how I school my child. I could go on and on on the subject.
It may be bordering on Slippery Slope Fallacy…but I feel that if you take away the choice to keep a baby, abort a fetus, or put a baby up for adoption then soon it will be contraceptives, doctor choices, laboring choices….and eventually work its way down to we have no choices in our parenting at all…from conception till the day the child goes to college.
@MyTwoCentss - Finally, someone making some sense here.
Wrong Question. A fertilized egg is not the same as a baby. No if’s, and’s or but’s about it. What should be outlawed is that crazy thinking that they are the same. And what should also be outlawed is the attitude that vigiliantism should be the order of our society.
@kathan1 - I want to ask you just one thing. Where are the “many” prolifers that you’re referring to who are okay with killing abortion doctors? I think I’ve seen one or two reply here that agree with this idea. (And I admit I’ve not read all the replies but many of them.) I agree with all you said that prolifers would believe in except for that and except for the death penalty. (But we aren’t here to discuss that.)
I just wanted to ask that to make it clear that there are not “many” or even half of prolifers that would accept the idea of allowing people to kill doctors.
@MyTwoCentss - It’s the old squeaky wheel theory…. you’re probably right that most don’t agree that killing a doctor is valid, and yet… and yet, we have an entire state house willing to vote to make it law, because we have had several very vocal extremists out there making this case: in courts, in the media. So they get heard, and more moderate types(are there any out there? I never hear them) do not. Just the fact that this question was asked on this blog is a bit like push poling and the expectation is that the majority with say “yes.”
My question. Do we want to live in a USA where killing someone who disagrees(doctor, congressman/woman, president) with us is considered an acceptable solution… by ANYONE?
Um, I’m assuming this happened, as the topic gets old. I feel that the world will not be missing out on much. But I can’t solely blame that doctor for all abortions, only the few thousand he has performed. I say he because women are only the recipients of dead babies.
@Kitty_one_piece - It’s hardly a 1:1 ratio. One abortion doctor kills many babies.
I love how this question is worded. “Protect an unborn baby from murder” Seriously? How about protecting an unborn baby from a life of poverty or abusive foster care that it WILL endure if the mother wasn’t ready for a baby.
so let me put it this way, You are killing someone for doing his job… would you kill someone who works at McDonalds for giving you a hamburger?
@MyTwoCentss - That is what it’s about. It only takes one or two, they develop a large support base, and these people don’t care about industrial
poisoning, major mutagens, or anything else that causes babies to die in the womb or suffer terribly. And we lock horns. Not because we couldn’t understand one another. The killing in war doesn’t matter, even when a foetus is killed, or many are. There is no consistency, no concept of stopping harm after the baby is born being a social responsibility. Or care in every stage of life.
Somehow we need to address the need to reduce the growth of the population without compulsion or insult. Large families have been a source of social stability through human history–because so many babies and children die, because older children are needed to take over if the parents die,because after genocide there is a fear that keeps the birth-rate up for generations.