March 28, 2011
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Creation Vs. Evolution
An ancient cave drawing is causing some to say that the drawing is evidence that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time. Native Americans drew animals all the time. But in this drawing, it appears that the animals drawn were dinosaurs. Here is the link: Link
Others are saying the drawings are snakes with mud stains.Look carefully at the drawing.
Does the drawing look like dinosaurs?
Comments (92)
I think they are aliens lost from their spacecraft.
Honestly it doesn’t look like either. :/
Rob of the Sky
The pic on the left looks like a dinosaur but the one on the right…no clue.
Oh geez… here we go
Those were such good drawings, let’s hang em up on the fridge!
I want to put them on Threadless and make hundreds.
@ItIsAllGravy - But Jim, where will all the finger paintings I’ve made you go then?
@ItIsAllGravy - Lol! Let’s!
@GodlessLiberal - Those will go to my special filing cabinet.
The one on the left does. The one on the right looks like mountains and a little smoke rising up the left side of them. Maybe the bulky thing there represents a river or a path of some sort. All though it seems to go up to the moon. But the one on the left, definitely a dinosaur.
Cultures all across the world have drawn dragons for the longest time, and have entire mythologies based on them. Does that mean dragons once lived among us? Of course not. And more than likely, that picture is depicting a lizard.
The first one looks sort of like a dinosaur. It also looks sort of like a mongoose. It also looks sort of like a ferret. I could go on.
The second one looks like a snake.
I found a pic of the actual drawing here. In all honestly, it looks too faded to tell.
Let’s pretend we could definitely prove that dinosaurs and mankind co-existed. I don’t see how that can prove or disprove creation. I guess what I’m trying to say is that I don’t believe that dinosaurs existing prior to mankind or dinosaurs co-existing with mankind can really support or disprove creationism. I believe God created the universe but I don’t think that anything having to do with dinosaurs has anything to do with that. It’s interesting for sure but it doesn’t have anything to do with the origins of the universe.
@mtngirlsouth - That is much more interesting to look at than the drawing, thank you. Yes, I agree it is WAY too faded. In fact, all I see is the vague shape that is dinosaur-esque. However some of the other details in the drawing I don’t see so definitively on the rock. Guess we won’t know any of that for sure in our lifetime here.
Let’s say that it is clearly a dinosaur. Would it prove anything significant to end the debates?
There are more cave drawings than this of ancient humans with aliens or astronauts or spacecraft – what does that “mean?”
I’m willing to accept that anything could’ve happened, aliens, humans and dinosaurs, whatever, and maybe we’re not supposed to know it all right now.
Does anyone here believe humans lived with dinosaurs?
It could just be a random doodle. Everyone else I know doodles randomly all the time. I imagine ancient humans were the same way.
maybe it’s the Nephelim
@mtngirlsouth - do you have a link for the article where you found that picture? Thanks for posting the actual picture. I found it laughable that they simply put a drawing in the MSNBC article as opposed to an actual photo.
lol.. maybe it’s a man with no legs and no arms.. and horns of some sort, er and a tail?
@MyTwoCentss - I have no opinion or stance on this particular subject of dinosaurs. But IF it was definitely proven that man or dinosaurs co-existed…. you are right, it wouldn’t necessarily prove or support Creationism. However, what it would do is throw a very very very very large wrench into the theory of evolution.
@mtngirlsouth - All I see is a rock face. #failedarchaeologist
@wizexel22 - I hadn’t thought of that. Good point.
The only opinion I have of the dinosaurs co-existing or not with mankind is that if they did – thank God I wasn’t alive back then because all I can picture are the Jurassic Park movies! *lol*
Considering the fact that every so often we in the 21st century draw the Loch Ness Monster, prehistoric art is best not treated as an accurate historical record of anything.
@ANVRSADDAY - Let’s say that it is clearly a dinosaur. Would it prove anything significant to end the debates?
To the virtual unaniminity of scientists who do this for a living: There was no debate to begin with.
@wizexel22 - But IF it was definitely proven that man or dinosaurs co-existed…. you are right, it wouldn’t necessarily prove or support Creationism. However, what it would do is throw a very very very very large wrench into the theory of evolution.
That’s as unlikely as mathematicians waking up one day and discovering that pi actually equals 69.01. However, if they were to make a discovery, this would cast serious doubt as to the workability of anything round– wheels, sugar-glazed doughnuts, and hoola hooops.
I see a lot of dinosaurs but towards the middle, idk.
lizzards?
Looks like boobs to me.
@wizexel22 - Yes. It was here: http://www.rae.org/dinoglyph.html
mel gibson climbed up there and drew that when he was drunk
he was going to draw a black elephant. he drew the trunk but messed up on the body, but he didn’t have an eraser, because erasers don’t work when you carve through a rock
so the elephant’s body is small. then he drew a long tail on the right side, but he forgot that elephant tails aren’t that big nor do they curve up like that. then a bug landed on his drawing, so he squished it with his spear, thus there is a white dot on the elephant’s tail that looks like an eye but it isn’t, it is the bug’s guts
he passed out but when he woke up, a gorilla ran away and apparently, the gorilla drew the gray thing next to the elephant and ruined his picture
mystery explained.
It looks like a snake.
it only looks like squglie lines (sry i cant spell)
besides how can some lines on the wall of a cave prove evolution
the way you prove creation is the bible and i know a lot of ppl dont believe that but its the truth and in the bible (in john) it says
“and ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free”
if ppl dont listen to the truth then yeah its their problem at the final judgement but the christians job is to witness to those who dont know the scriptures there are probably kids in our public schools who have never heard about God or Jesus and they have to just believe evolution is the only answer BUT ITS NOT!!!!!
in fact (this is my last point) Darwin renoucned evolution on his deathbed
nobody talks about that the world leaves out valuble parts of history because ppl dont like them
if we arent careful history will repeat itself
“there is nothing new under the sun”
that is also a bible verse from ecclesiastes
my point is why do you ppl discuss this in a “i dont want to be different” mindset
HELLO! STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE
dont just say well sure i believe in creation
When was the last time you read your bible??
Or went to church??
Can you defend what you believe??
that is what we should worry about
1 Peter 3:15-17
how many ppl live that verse
that is what you should think about not proving evolution with a couple of lines on a wall
No. I can draw better dinosaurs.
I heard couple of years ago about evidence found in north america of dinosaurs and men living side by side – I also saw the actual footage; it was the courtesy of Creation Evidence Museum.
I am confused…
Then again…I haven’t slept for a while now.
though I am a “creationist,”I agree with what others have said, even if the drawing was of a dinosaur it proves nothing
It’s times like these that I wish our ancestors knew about perspective and crosshatch shading.
jk
i’m sure one is a loathsome worm – alias dragon. mind you it could just prove that the artist couldnt draw.
no pencils…..
I think it is interesting but far too tenuous to hang any definite conclusions on.
Let me state the obvious: Yes, it looks like a dinosaur.
Let me state the almost as obvious: A lot of things could look like a dinosaur, depending on how it’s drawn.
DINOSAURS HAD WINGS =D
it does looks like dinosaurs. but then again, it could be some other animals.
Doesn’t look like a dinosaur.
If ancient peoples had drawn dinosaurs they would have been drawn in the same style as other cave paintings. These drawings could look like almost anything if viewed from a different direction.
Maybe it was a Lake Monster.. you know, an American version of the Loch Nessie
@mtngirlsouth - Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting the link to the actual photograph. Clearly it’s as difficult to discern as the question posed itself.
Great post to provoke the discussion of… what did you want us to discuss? Oh, Yeah, dinosaurs coexisting with men. I don’t believe they coexisted with mankind as we now know mankind. However, in a manner of speaking, there are still dinosaurs roaming around parts of the earth today. Some would say that statement includes you and me, Dan.
Is this an inkblot test or something? IS THIS A TRAP?!
i’m pretty sure there are a lot of drawings, by sailors centuries ago, of giant sea monsters that never existed. i think it’s human nature to imagine giant fantastical beasts far more powerful than humans to fear. so even if these are drawings that look like dinosaurs, it does NOT necessarily mean they co-existed, there is still NO evidence that supports that.
Original is too faded to tell
Carbon dating vs….. a cave drawing? LOL.
Yo no se.
Sometimes, if the natives were nomadic, they would draw pictures over old ones. It’s a routine proven again and again in different countries, during their “hunters and gatherers” phase of evolution. This could possibly be the case. Old images fade. New ones are drawn on again.
*shrug*
I sincerely doubt it’s a dinosaur.
to me it actually looks like a mountain and the part people are saying is an animal looks like tunnels and caves,
The nature of the contents is questionable…
sperm.
p.s. I hate you.
I think it looks like a modern day cartoon drawing. But I know that lots of cultures have stories and drawing of “dragons” which “don’t exist” so why not say the “dragons” that don’t exist were dinosaurs and leave it at that.
It looks like a drawing by someone in kindergarden
oh who knows, I know what I believe but saying it on here would get me crucified…. no pun intended.
the left one looks like a halfhearted millipede to me. or a snake. The right looks like a snake…or maybe a pathway?
disagree. the only thing that matters is now, find out what you were put on this earth to do and make a difference, be an asshole and tell people the truth, the end.
whats the truth.?
the tail is too long for a dinosaur and the proportions are all wrong. It doesn’t matter whether humans coexisted with the dinosaurs or not if the artist can’t draw.
i think the drawing looks like u
As a creationist, I have always believed that dinosaurs walked the earth with man. So it is possible.
Wow – Prehistoric Rorschach Test!
*Envisions a neanderthal on a stone couch*
@onjerusalemhill - You’re welcome.
I think it is possiblity a picture of a dinosaur because there is more than one…although the artist was not a Rembrant. But it could be a discovery of bones as we have or they might could have co-existed… But as your other commenters it doesn’t prove anything creationist or evolutionist. Just another thing to ponder over.
@TiredSoVeryTired - I agree.
You’ve done it this time. This is the straw that breaks the camels back. This one inconclusive image proves wrong the incomprehensible amounts of empirical evidence that supports evolution, let alone the general scientific view of the universe in general. Congratulations. Or, taking it into context with other information at least currently present, the likelihood of it being a dinosaur – especially a sauropod – is zero. Does your logic not jump out at you and slap you across the face multiple times until it is a bludgeoned mess? If you want to include the ‘legs’ why not the apparent wing structure, and the feint fire breathing from its mouth. Its a wayward European dragon! Have you not researched the scepticism of the creationist account of this image? Its just a quick google search away.
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lol hold on while I allow a single picture to change my mind and ignore the fact that no human fossils during the time of the dinosaurs have been found. Yes clearly this is correct….
@musicgeek1996 - If you want people to actually believe your fairy-tales you really should stop trying to support them with outright lies. Darwin did NOT have a deathbed conversion. In fact, here’s a link to a well-known Christian site that completely debunks the Darwin deathbed conversion. http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2009/03/31/darwins-deathbed-conversion-legend
well, it’s pretty obvious….humans and dinosaurs didn’t live at the same time; clearly, a dinosaur drew some self portraits
@mtngirlsouth - thanks for finding that, i was really curious what it actually looked like
i think it kind of looks like one of those viking ships with a massive rudder getting grounded on a coral reef. or a giraffe eating the sun. or a monitor lizard
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I’m an archaeology major….this article made me cry for what science has come to.
@petiteme_x - oh God. Thank you so much for this comment.
That’s the trouble with some art, so ambiguous it leaves everyone guessing! lol
WAIT! I know, it’s the world’s first Ink-Blot test!
Whether or not dinosaurs existed alongside humans has absolutely no bearing on the creation vs. evolution argument.
@godfatherofgreenbay - My friend Sean saw dinosaurs chasing him one night – after eating a handful of the mushrooms I gave him. Peyote, mushrooms, – there are lots of goodies that can cause visions.
Painting on the wall of a cave after “seeing” something, — sort of like us posting on Xanga. Well, some of us. :)
@DickDoktorII - that peyote is something not to be messed around with. The only time I messed with the stuff in copious amounts I ended up being chased around by the monkeys from Wizard of Oz.
Do creationists believe dinosaurs lived at the same time as humans?
@Melissa___Dawn - still how can i legitimately believe i came from a MONKEY what rubbish have you evolutionists put in our heads i see it as perfectly pointless when you cant explain the grand canyon in a way i will believe
try to explain the human brain that is soo complex that honestly saying oh it just happened in a big bang doesnt explain worth anything
how did the universe begin
and besides we CAN BLAME Darwin for both the holocaust and abortion
Would that mean humans and dinosaurs were not afraid of each other at that time regardless of size or superiority?
@mtngirlsouth - I agree!
Eh, I guess so, but I draw unicorns all the time…
I know that this thread is essentially dead, but I think that some of the comments deserve thorough responses.
The original post by TheTheologiansCafe states “Others are saying the drawings are snakes with mud stains.” This comment in and of itself is irresponsibly written. The “others” noted in the post are scientists, paleontologists Dr. Sally J. Cole and Dr. Phil Senter, who decided to analyze the petroglyph after several creationist sites began displaying it as proof that dinosaurs and humans coexisted. The paleontologists found that the supposed sauropod is actually composed of three parts: the neck and head are composed of two separate petroglyphs, while the legs are the result of mineral staining. This particular image represents a classic situation of a phenomenon called “pareidolia”. Pareidolia occurs when humans use our amazing pattern recognition on ordinary objects, images, or other situations and see things that we are familiar with-classic examples are seeing Jesus/the Virgin Mary in burnt toast, seeing animals or other shapes in clouds, or the man on the moon.
The comment written by Paul_Partison is equally irresponsible, and unfortunately shows a lack of understanding about the theory of evolution. Before I get any comments about how evolution is “just a theory”, I would encourage people to visit the Wikipedia article “Scientific Theory”, specifically the “Pedagogical Definition” portion of the article. Those who do this will find that a scientific theory is very different from a hypothesis, and it may help quell at least a little bit of that part of the debate.
First of all, humans did not evolve from monkeys. Our closest living relatives are actually great apes, which are entirely separate from monkeys. The last common ancestor between modern monkeys and great apes lived approximately 12 million years ago. The great ape lineage, to which humans and other hominids belong, diverged between 8 and 4 million years ago, depending on the species (gorillas diverged much earlier than chimpanzees and humans).
Secondly, I think the formation of the Grand Canyon is relatively easy to explain: about 75 million years ago, the Rockies began to form, leading to increased drainage of water (think snow melt) into the area that is now the Colorado River/Grand Canyon. Various factors contributed to the drastic erosion that carved the Grand Canyon, such as the opening of the Gulf of California and weather changes during the ice ages about 2 million years ago. The process of the formation of the Grand Canyon can be simulated by playing with sand-the next time you are at the beach, form some “mountains” and then slowly pour water from the tippy top of the mountain. You will find that a “river” will gradually deepen its path, forming a “canyon”.
Finally, no we cannot blame Darwin for the Holocaust or for abortion. Eugenics (the underlying rationale for the Holocaust) has been found in texts by Plato (alive about 2400 years before the Holocast occurred) who thought that procreation should be restricted by the state. Abortion has similarly been around for at least 3000 years-Egyptian documents describe induced abortions occurring as early as 1550 BC. Chinese folklore indicates that mercury was being used to induce abortions 5000 years ago.
If anyone would like to continue this discussion in a civilized manner, please let me know. I would love to discuss this with anyone who as doubts about the theory of evolution or has had the misfortune of being told such nonsense as “we can blame Darwin for the Holocaust and abortion”.