@Pink_TeaCups - Common sense ain’t so common.

@TiredSoVeryTired - I like how you entertain the idea of mutual consideration but then explicate your entire point from ONLY a woman’s perspective. Don’t start nothin’, won’t be nothin’. 

@TiredSoVeryTired - This is why I said you were speaking from strictly a girl’s point of view. You do not understand and I dare risk saying that you are incapable of understanding. Women have the terrible habit of interpreting male behavior through the lens of feminine experience and defining us as broken women. You proposing that the average male between 18 and 30 “”move past the horn dog attitude” is physiologically akin to me suggesting that a woman not be emotional during her period. Worse than that, it would be like me telling them not to have periods at all.

You’re saying the result is okay, I’m saying creating that situation in the first place isn’t okay. You’re talking safety, I’m talking responsibility. It’s part of the general “don’t be a dickwad” program. If you don’t get out of bed and are upset by continuing advances then you’re being a dickwad because you ARE sending mixed messages no matter what’s coming out of your mouth. 
Most people innately read body language with full accuracy. It’s intentional interpretation that fails them, not gut feelings. Whether you choose to accept it or not, you’re going by it all the time when you’re with other people. It’s a subconscious process and I’d suggest you do some research on it if you’re representing your actual views on the matter, lest your ignorance in the matter get you into trouble. I’m sorry if I’m too scientifically minded to not accept something that only composes 7% of the relaying of an intended message (vebral communication) without another form of communication to support it. If the word is ‘no’ but the other 38% of speech conveys ‘yes’ I’m going to believe what is being conveyed with a more powerful signal. Beyond that, body language composes 55% of communication. If you say no, and your tone is confusing but your body language says yes, what do you think I’m going to trust? This is not some special situation where the normal rules of communication fly out of the window. I’ve never asked if a girl wanted to sleep with me to find out. The only reason I’ve ever asked is to toy with them because I already knew the answer and I’ve had more bedmates then I can count on every appendage on my body. I’m interested to know about the qualifications in experience anyone else responing on this thread has, yourself included. That last bit is horrifically ignorant. Sex does not equate to childbirth, nor is it a moral issue by necessity. If a woman says no but means yes that isn’t necessarily an indication of stupidity. There’s a game-like nature to sexuality and courtship that sometimes involves speech with double meaning and such. 
Look, this is the way things are, and not the way they should be. Girls that don’t want to chance anything sleep on the floor, or have him do so. Girls that would like to see just how much no really means no can go ahead and risk rape. 

@just__one__me - Actually, that fact directly impacts the invalidity of your statements. You started your comment with a testimony of a personal experience. I rode a bicycle once. By that reasoning I’m prepared to entertain conversation on whether to use one brand of bmx bike over another based upon how it feels to ride them, despite having rid neither. Moreover, you made a statement about self control not being difficult. Well, that statement is directly impacted by your ignorance. You see, anyone can say that it’s easy not to have cocaine after you’ve had a hit. They’d be dead wrong and possibly labeled as dangerously ignorant but they’re entitled to say it. You can make any sort of statement about something you’ve never experienced for yourself. You can say sex is this and people should react to it in that way but until you’re there it’s all pretty much talking out of your ass. 

@Me_LeaderoftheWorld - Uh actually, it’s more like (mid-interaction) Her: “no, no, no” Him: “Ok” [stopping] Her: “Why’d you stop?” This is the reason that people invent safewords for use in sexual situations because people blurt out simple words like “no” in the heat of passionate interaction and it doesn’t necessarily mean to stop. Moreover, not every rape that occurs involves a verbal component of telling the unintentional rapist “stop” or “no”. Some victims are too shocked or stunned by what is going on to speak or they’re afraid of what would happen if they were to say “no” or “stop”. All of these variables and more are great reasons for this “no means no” bullshit to be clarified. I mean, dolphins and whales are no more fish because of their aquatic inclinations than every no is so easily categorizable, even in spite of conflicting  simultaneous communications. Actually, I think I covered that in the comment you responded to. Hipfire much?

Actually, I’m playing the “let’s everyone be responsible for their own shit” game. I do not blame women who happen to put themselves in a situation where someone forces them to have sex even after they’ve said no. I think that in certain instances it probably did stem from poor character judgment but that’s neither here nor there. I do blame dumb broads for climbing into bed with a guy and expecting something uncommunicated and against natural impulses to happen, and more than that looking upon the occurrence and the man negatively.

Who said anyone had a right to sex?

I’m sorry. I must be like the only guy who’s ever slept with a woman being coy about sex. That must be it. My bad. 

@TiredSoVeryTired - And my point is that you shouldn’t be a dickhead and put someone in a sexual situation and feel negatively about it that they react sexually. I’d love to discuss this with you more. Care to join me half way through my sociology BA or are we just gonna like wing it on this one? It is a subconscious process. You neither have control to it nor full conscious access to the results of the interpretation but it’s happening and it’s happening all the time when you’re around people. This is the way we operate on a physical and mental level. Period.  If you’re talking about debunking Mehrabain then that’s fine but only because the data involves more variables then we can sort out in this discussion (even though the limitations of the data spot on match this situation). Otherwise, I suggest you hit the books again and again.. and again.. and then maybe let the books hit you. Maybe it’ll fix something. 

I’m not breaking down the difference between conscious and subconscious to you nor the mountain of variables involved in the situations regarding those guys or any of the other folky hometown stories you’ve got floating around that head. We’ll just call it a hasty generalization and throw all of it in the trash. 
You can say whatever you want generally. Or you can cut the crap and actually take a survey and see just how many people actually ask whether sex is going to happen. 
Yeah a boyfriend or husband can rape as well. I’m at least partially convinced that you don’t know what you’re talking about. 

@TiredSoVeryTired - No, but it is a friend’s responsibility to make sure they’re not inflicting undue discomfort or harm on someone they claim to be friends with. Look, you’re still trying to relate this to the other point and there’s no relation there. Whether a guy is potentially going to do something horrible or not, it does not assuage the responsibility that rests on a female for what she does, even if it’s not intentional. If I visit someone in the hospital and they end up with an infection because I breathed on them then whose responsibility is it? What? Is it just no one’s fault? It doesn’t matter that I didn’t mean it. It doesn’t even matter that I could not have visited them the way I did without breathing. It doesn’t matter that that action is a necessary component to something that I want to do (live). It’s still my fault because I requested, suggested, or accepted the chain of actions that led to someone else going through unnecessary and undue discomfort or harm. Can you just take freakin responsibility for that? It’s like you don’t know how. 

Like I said. I don’t plan on repeating myself. Read some textbooks on interpersonal interaction. 

It isn’t necessary. It’s fun. It alleviates the stress of sitting right next to someone looking at the same train passing by and having them tell me that no trains run nearby. Textbook, by the way. I was suggesting you get hit with a textbook.

Maybe you’re a part of the older generation of completely socially inept people that hardly ever have any sex because of their consistently stiff behavior. Maybe you’re a part of the generation astounded by the idea of someone putting up double digits worth of sexual partners while they’re a teenager without, by necessity, being sexually promiscuous. Maybe you’re a part of the generation that thinks that women have to be wooed to be made willing to have sex and are absolutely dumbfounded by speed seduction and sleeping with people you’ve only met once or even in the same day that you meet them, I don’t know. 

@TiredSoVeryTired - I’m not sure you understand what constitutes friendship. Even in situations where inflicting pain on eachother would seem to be the goal (boxing, wrestling, insults) I’m careful about it and regretful if I am the cause of undue pain or discomfort. There’s no discussion needed. That’s what friendship is. If you’re doing so, if you even have to discuss it, how much are you really friends? Hey, I’m seriously thinking about making you incredibly uncomfortable. Can I? I think I should. Yeah, i’m gonna be a dick! A guy could say that but I’m pretty sure that doesn’t have a whole lot ot do with the OP. The question in the entry directly refers to a woman’s actions in the matter. Beyond that, taking personal responsibility consistently has the magical quality o

Yeah, actually it is and actually there is responsibility, if not fault, in everything that isn’t an act of god. Why? Because humans set these actions and series of events in motion. I mean, are you not familiar with the law at all? Who said anytihng about date rape? Haven’t mentioned it once. Nice tangent though.
No, I’m not talking about textbooks in general. I’m talking about textbooks specific to this subject. I don’t think I’ve made myself clear. I don’t care about whether I’m being rude and in fact am taking pleasure in it. Get it now or do I need to say that two or three more times too?
The fact that you’re saying that at all means that you’re not philosophically ready to discuss this with me. You assign meaning superfluously to sex and sexuality with no greater sourcing than a child’s belief in santa, quite literally. No, it’s more like I’ve got more driving experience than you so I know how to handle this car hydroplaning better than you. It means that someone with that experience will know when to proceed and when not to. Experience means something in the interpretation of data because it puts things in perspective. This is why the great majority of old people may not necessarily be more intelligent than a young person or as sharp but while likely greatly outclass them in the wisdom department on the strength of experience alone, not age. Pull your head out of your ass. Someone more well versed in the subject and the realities of it, and not second hand information, is more of an authority on it than you are. That’s the bottom line. I’m sure that an experienced whore easily knows more about male sexuality than a virgin, or a novice in sexuality, or an intermediate, or maybe even someone who might consider themselves an expert because of the sheer gravitas that her experiences lend her. What this means for the incredibly slow is that having a myriad of experiences in a particular vein is what makes someone an expert qualified to speak with authority on a subject. What that means for the incredibly slow is that that what you just said facetiously is in fact the very basis through which all authority on knowledge is derived. This discussion is over, squid. You’re not prepared, which by itself might have compensated for the fact that you’re also clearly outmatched. Your philosophy is weak, your knowledge is lacking and your crude argumentation leaves much to be desired. The next response you get from me will be getting blocked indefinitely so I suggest you save your time rather than replying.