September 22, 2011
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Handcuffing an Illegal Immigrant While She is Giving Birth
A pregnant woman who is an illegal immigrant was placed in handcuffs while she was giving birth.
The woman was pulled over for not having a valid license. So they handcuffed her and she gave birth while still handcuffed. She had false documents so she could pretend to be legally in the U.S.
Shackling during childbirth is illegal in 14 states. Here is the link: Link
Should an illegal immigrant be shackled while giving birth?
Comments (120)
No one should.
Uhm no.
that’s inhumane.
Illegal black autistic homeless people are the cause of everything that’s wrong in the world!
I’m pretty sure giving birth is hard enough as it is without handcuffs. Nobody should be handcuffed while they’re giving birth!
Wow, top 5!
Wow. Uh, no? Doesn’t that classify as a medical emergency? Shouldn’t they be taking her to a hospital or clinic before they arrest her?
Well obviously a woman who is pushing a human being out of her vagina is a flight risk.
She doesn’t need her arms to push out a baby.
@Rob_of_the_Sky - LMAO. I love your comments.
Oh, and Rob of the Sky.
um no. what’s she gonna run and give birth? if she pulls that off she deserves to be a citizen
Methinks you’re instigating, DAN! lol
And yes, I would like to add, I don’t agree with her child gaining automatic citizenship. It’s BS.
@Rob_of_the_Sky - PREGNANT illegal black autistic homeless people.
The way we handle the illegal emigrant issue is such a sick game. All we need to do is enforce the law at the employment end of the issue and there would be no problem. And we would not see crap like this
@MangoWOW - I was thinking this, too.. but sadly, I don’t think the legal system cares about illegal immigrants.
It appalls me that it’s necessary to make a law like that. I mean, shouldn’t that fall into the common sense category? Ugh..
I’m with @saintvi, I have had two babies and I without a doubt was not a flight risk even without handcuffs.
@Baseballchik138 - hmm, please enlighten me and tell me how someone shouldnt automatically be given citizenship of the country they are born in?
No they should… They should take her to the hospital so she can give birth… as no one who is in labor shall be turned down by the hospital and once she’s ready send her to her home country… that’s what can be done…
@AlluringAddiction - She actually would need her arms… To push out a baby, you kind of need to hold your legs for the baby to come out in many instances. It might take longer or there might be more complication without the usage of arms unless people assist. But nothing like using your own arms and strength to push the baby out…
@trunthepaige - “All we need to do is enforce the law at the employment end of the issue and there would be no problem. And we would not see crap like this”
That’s too easy to say and point the blame game. Every comedian has made jokes about Americans saying it’s illegals fault about employment this, employment that. I don’t see any average American willing to do the dirty work, low paying, no benefits, no safety precautionary equipment type of work they do. Maybe if you would’ve said something like oh, i dunno, make them pay for the free-health care they receive? free welfare, foodstamps, WIC, cash aid, section 8 housing.. all while being undocumented? Now that brings up valid arguments.
Dude those jobs pay shit only because illegals are here to do it. There is no job americans will not do if you pay them enough. That line might have worked before economy tanked. It was always bs but now with 20% out of work that argument sounds silly @BenelliMan -
There are a lot of crazy things happening lately.
@zzzzzulavalle - I know legally she’s a citizen, but do you not see anything wrong with her mother being here illegally with fake papers, while pregnant? Many pregnant women hop the border close to their due date so that their child can be a US citizen and this is wrong on so many levels! She’s cheating the system.
No.
maybe put her on an emergency helicopter so she can give birth back in mexico. if they haven’t legally worked long term and paid for social security/taxes, then illegals shouldn’t get free benefits even if their child is born here under shady circumstances-false paperwork of the illegal mother. since she is already here, and if they can’t do much about it as far as transporting her back to the border quick enough, then let her have a baby handcuff-free while there is an armed guard outside of the hospital room.
Shoot the placenta on the cops!
Why didn’t they shackle her legs? That’s what you use to run. Duh. These weren’t effective police officers. They need to be investigated.
Kinda hard to give birth when your arms are behind your back.
that’s just cruel and degrading
@BenelliMan - This line in your post completely makes the point at which trunthepaige’s post was getting:
“I don’t see any average American willing to
do the dirty work, low paying, no benefits, no safety precautionary
equipment type of work they do.”
If the work weren’t as dirty, low-paying, or dangerous, your average American would be substantially more inclined to do it. And if he or she wasn’t, then I guess we’d be indebted to illegals for doing work that too few native-born sons or daughters are willing to do that, evidently, must be done in order to sustain industries whose products we consume.
Get the vacuum first, then cuff. Winning.
I personally think that it is totally unfair and indicative of an impartial system. Look, you either unshackle the mother or shackle the baby too. Let’s provide equal rights here!
It doesn’t matter if they cuff her or not, they need to get her ass across the border quick before the baby is out and they have a nice little anchor baby so that they can petition to get made legal citizens.
@Baseballchik138 - That’s exactly why we need to make an amendment to the Constitution that says that at least one of your parents must be a US citizen in order for you to be a US citizen at birth.
Such thing is hard to believe….
I don’t care what country one is from if’n one is in heavy labor and ready to deliver let her have her hands…geesh what can she do she is in a lotta pain…or better yet get her to a hospital or clinic…handcuffs…no no way no how…and for the record may all those males involved deliver kidney stones…and let them feel what it feels somewhat like
@m_elmer_48 - Yea, god forbid we handcuff criminals! Next thing you know they’ll be talk of locking criminals up in prisons! It’s madness!
@Rob_of_the_Sky - Also mexicans.
they’re giving birth…they’re not trying to runaway…
Reminds me of this time a car was pulled over for speeding; The man was rushing because his wife was in labor, and instead of escorting them to the hospital the police officer made them wait as he wrote them a ticket.
No they should have waited to arrest her until she had given birth and the baby was out. But if she is illegal she deserves to pay the price! A good way to solve that would be to get a green card before you come to America!
@BimmerPhile - AGREED!
Stupid dirty mexicans crossing borders like roaches. Let’s bomb mexico, put the land to more use. We should kill prisoners to reduce prisoner population. What else? Health care, all types of government assistance should be eliminated, except for employment benefits.
This country is spending money, and people need to understand the ship has a weight capacity. We should put all african americans in prison, they are too dangerous. We should kill any diseased, mental illness, like yours truly. Why do permit our laws to hurt us?
Bte I am just looking from a racist’s point of view. I could care less, I am insane, I am alreaty dead, I live like a ghost.
Come on America, you have look out for yourself. No morr mr nice guy.
Well actually, in real life, mexicans are really nice people. Also, mexico has an over population problem, you have to expect a spill to our side. I know money isbwasted on illegals, prisoners, ect, but I guess, idk.
I can’t think right. I was just thinking about how I am never going to get laid. It doesn’t bother, but some days I get really horny, and those days I wish I had someone to sexually stimulate me.
Nope, that’s totally cruel. Where’s their compassion?
No
Can’t they give her a month or so to give birth, see her baby, and recover before all of that!
@AlluringAddiction - if you were in her shoes, would you like to be handcuffed?
I dont think she should have been handcuffed. I wonder why all the brouhaha about her being an illegal imigrant. What has that got to do the child? If something had happened to the child, would everyone of you saying it’s good as she was handcuffed, be saying so? And we wonder why America is hated by the Al-Qaeda.
Take her to the hospital and once she is stable, deport her or make her go through the loops to become a legal citizen. No need to be jerkoffs about it.
atleast the kid is a citizen
This makes me sick.
That’s fucking beyond fucking ridiculous.That child is a fucking citizen as it’s born here in the country, and by handcuffing the mother while giving birth puts more stress on her, as she’s just trying to give her child a better life. I understand that she’s cheating the system, but distressing the mother puts health dangers on a now legal, newly born citizen.I understand she’s illegal, but she’s still a human being.
I can see guarding the OUTSIDE of the door if she is truly under arrest and waiting to be deported, but for decency’s sake, let the poor woman labor ad deliver her baby without being shackled and without a stranger, an armed guard, at her side.
Nobody should be handcuffed while giving birth. Ever.
That’s just dumb. At least give her the decency to have a childbirth in the appropriate environment first before dealing with the legal stuff.
This reminds me of the Texans football player who ran a red light to get his mother to the hospital because she was having attacks. The cop pulled him over wouldn’t let him run in mother into the ER, so his wife had to. Even the doctors and nurses came out to get him because his mother didn’t have long to live, but he cop refused to let him go in. Eventually, the mother died and didn’t get a chance to say goodbye to him. As I know of now, the cop was fired, but also on paid leave.
There is no easy answer. However, I can say that since undocumented aliens in the country are still HUMAN, I would have to say that I don’t believe she should be handcuffed while giving birth. Since she has been caught illegally in this country, the law states she needs to go back to her country. But what about her child? Who will care for her baby? (Actual physical care, and the funds needed to provide care and goods needed for the child. Someone will need to pay for the things the child needs.) After all, the baby is a citizen. Do we send mom back, or make arrangements for her to get her green card (so she can stay here, get a job and raise her child)?
Absolutely not. Where is the humanity in all of this.
@Baseballchik138 - Speaking as someone who is currently trying to get a greencard for a loved one (currently residing in the US legally) who has a child who is a US citizen… I can tell you that it’s not that easy. The US immigration system is very, very harsh and extremely complicated. Even if you have a blood relative who is a US citizen the INS knows how to put up road blocks towards giving you legal residency here. If you have so much as gotten busted for unpaid traffic tickets you will NOT get a greencard. If a person has resided illegally in the US, she will not get a greencard even if she does have a child who is technically a US citizen. I don’t care how many indignant stories anti-immigration candidates are currently circulating… it is impossible.
Moreover, even if you have never broken any laws and have blood relatives who are US citizens…. you will STILL not get a greencard if you find nobody to sign the required “Affadavit of Support.” Basically the “Affadavit of Support” is an INS document that says that someone in the US who has made at least 30,000.00 USD a year in the US for the past three years agrees to support you financially for the rest of your life so that the US government won’t have to worry about you possibly taking advantage of government federal aid programs. If you can’t find somebody who makes this money and is willing to take on an AWFULLY big responsibility financially- and sign a binding document that states so under penalty of jail time- ,,, you will not become a legal resident of the US. It is very, very, very hard to find someone willing to do this. Imagine saying “Hello, are you willing to give up possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars to support me financially for the rest of my life should I ever find myself in a tight spot? Just sign here. Remember, you can’t back out or you’ll go to jail.” Most people are (understandably) hesitant about doing this and consequently many greencard applicants with US relatives are forced to leave nonetheless.
Basically, people should stop spreading falsehoods about how we need tougher immigration laws and how illegal immigrants can get what they want and etc. etc. There aren’t even that many illegal immigrants coming to the US anyway because our economy has become so bad. Seriously, Mexico has a higher rate of employment than the US now! We need to stop pretending that illegal immigration is such a big problem and instead focus on real issues, like employment, national debt and enviromental energy.
@phoebester - I wasn’t talking about the mother, I was referring to the child.
No.
@phoebester - Also, if we crack down on immigration, our unemployment rates would decrease because businesses who hire illegal immigrants would suddenly need to hire legal citizens.
@amandakristian17 - It’s actually incredibly hard to get citizenship if you’re not marrying an american citizen. Let’s not forget that most of the people who live here now came from people who immigrated here, without jumping through hoops to get in.
I don’t think she’s pregnant anymore, Dan.
I hope the cops at least helped with the delivery.
Uh, no woman should be shackled while giving birth, no matter what illegal thing she’s done/was doing.
No, I doubt she is going to run away at that point
Nope, there’s plenty of time to shackle and deport AFTER the baby is born. Perhaps this is mean on my part, but, send the baby back too, she only forged those documents to have the baby in the States, I’m guessing. That’s all we need, an influx of “welfare babies” to support in the middle of this economic crisis.
LAND OF THE FREE… to kick your illegal ass out. Learn it. Live it. Love it.
From reading the link mat’l, a lot seemed to be lost in the mix of argument btwn state and fed. If they were non-violent, they should not have been cuffed, but we know that certain law enforcement officials are, at best, over-zealous about their safety around women in labor!! What’s the matter boys, squeezed your hand too hard?? To also keep family away is wrong in scope. But then some departments never use any… Scope, that is!! Peace
Boo @ the police
Unnecessary precaution. “Illegal immigrant” does not equal “lesser human being” for crying out loud.
~V
that is ridiculous! this country is always crossing the most absurd lines…
Hold up alot of you just lit my fuse. Here is the problem with complaining americans they complain that the illegals are taking jobs away from them when really they are doing jobs no one wants. I work in a chicken plant and it’s packed with hispanics and has some black people and few white people. Well lately they have been hiring but only black and whites well we are lucky if either stay for a day yesterday two black guys, three hispanics, and five whites were hired. A white lady quit before two hours of working then and hour and a half later I went on break and in the break room one of the black guys was crying because it was hard so he quit and the three more white guys went on break and did not return… they quit so today I don’t expect to see any of the new employees except the hispanics. But those few blacks and whites that have been working there even longer than I have (two months) have easy jobs like being supervisors, usda, or checking to see if the chicken is ok. And in Georgia which white person is going to pick fruits and vegetables when it’s scortching hot. And they still have the nerve of complaining we will see how back it will get when laws are put up against illegals.
Handcuff her after she gives birth. Yes I realize that this is a legal issue, but giving birth is uncomfortable enough without have handcuffs on. I mean seriously.
@BlindSight22 - “Perhaps this is mean on my part, but, send the baby back too, she only forged those documents to have the baby in the States, I’m guessing. That’s all we need, an influx of “welfare babies” to support in the middle of this economic crisis.
LAND OF THE FREE… to kick your illegal ass out.”
We are also a land of laws– rules and rights designed to maintain justice and equality. The Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Cosntitution grants citizienship to all individuals born in the country, asshole.
I really can’t understand the purpose of the handcuffs. It almost seems as if the custom officials were purposefully trying to degrade the mother.
@Celestial_Teapot - I just didn’t want to let Dan be the only one to raise the rabble. When responding to his posts I like to pretend I’m Rush Limbaugh. Apparently, it worked!!!
@BlindSight22 - The, “I was only prentending to be a short-signed bigot!” defense isn’t an excuse for the hurt affected by crudeness and insensitivity. If anything, it demonstrates you’re worse of a person than that of your affectation.
I’m sure the cops were only following policy, but were I a cop I would have a hard time handcuffing a woman who is giving birth.
Uhm.. Did she get pregnant with handcuffs on?.. Kinky mamacita
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that’s inhumane.
lolwut?
@Baseballchik138 - Of course they purposely come here pregnant to give birth to their kids here. And no, I don’t see anything wrong with that. I don’t see anything wrong with parents wanting a better life for their kids and having the chance to make something out of themselves by being educated here and being legal citizens of this country. They don’t want to stay in Mexico because of all the poverty and violence. Have you not seen the news? and no, fox news does not count as watching the news. This is common sense. Yeah they are cheating the system by using fake papers, or just not using any papers at all living here, but that’s because they have no choice. For most immigrants its not as easy as coming here and applying to be legal residents. Its not as easy as that. Some of them have to live here illegally for up to 20 years until they finally gain their residency. I would know because my grandparents went through this.
Absolutely not. =/
What the hell? No?
AMERICA ARE YOU CRAZY?
I’m thinking so.
@Rob_of_the_Sky - you didnt include us schizophrenics in that? It’s my fault that everything is bad because my parents actually worked and stuff but we went through hard times in HS and i like had to earn my resources instead of having everything handed to me because I “suffered.”
Words have not lost their meaning. I am now an alien hybrid from Jupiter.
@BenelliMan - I would take a low-paying crap job…I am desperate. But I won’t do anything illegal, under the table. The problem is with employers who get away with doing illegal crap that keeps illegals coming into the country. If there was no source for them to get a job…and no free hand outs from the government…would they still come here illegally just to starve? I don’t think so.
There needs to be more enforcement of the laws. The government needs to crack down on companies and businesses that are acting illegally.
I don’t live in a Border state. The illegals here ( in general) are hard workers and by that I mean they work harder than Americans do. But illegal immigration has had a very real impact, interestingly enough, in this very area. The OB GYN unit in the hospital that my husband works at was shut down for lack of patient payment. EMTALA requires that everyone must be seen regardless of ability to pay or what country/planet they’re from. In 95% of the OB cases that came to the hospital, a Spanish translator was required. Unfortunately, that also means a 0% collection rate. Since Hospitals/Doctors/any wage earner are not fond of working for free, the ward shut down. This leaves the ER open to whatever OB nightmare walks in the door…. Ruptured eptopics and everything.
Having said that, “Illegals” are least likely to be “unemployed” drug seeking bums. That distinction is uniquely an “American” trait. Though I imagine it’s quite different in border states, it’s pretty typical here.
She should not have been handcuffed. If she’d been in a hospital, things would have been different.
@zzzzzulavalle - Many countries don’t allow automatic citizenship if you’re born there. Even Canada changed their laws to get rid of anchor babies.
@zzzzzulavalle - But to live here they have to use a citizen’s SSN, which mean identity theft. Once someone has had their identity stolen they can’t get loans for a car or a house. They have to spend thousands of dollars in legal fees. My uncle is going through this, and yes, we are Hispanic, so there’s no hating on illegals because they’re Hispanic since we are too, but using false papers and fucking up someone’s life is wrong and I have no sympathy for illegals after what they’ve done to my uncle.
@mycontinuity - Oh I did not know that, thanks! I was mainly talking about the United States anyway
@mycontinuity - To answer your other response: Sooo you’re judging an entire group of people simply because one person stole your uncle’s identity. Yeah that makes sense… that’s like hating black people because one black person stole your uncle’s credit card number, which would be your case. Not every single undocumented worker lives here with a stolen social security number. A lot of them just come here and work undocumented without a s.s because they don’t plan to stay here, they just want to make some money under the table, send it to their family in their counties or when they make enough, they go back to their countries.
@trunthepaige - Onions rotted in the rural areas outside my home town last season because they couldn’t find anyone that would work for them to pick them. Apparently some people think they are above certain things.
@Celestial_Teapot - See also: Apparently it worked!!! I’m patting myself on the back right now for an affectation well done. Thanks!!! (Yes, I’m an asshole. No, I don’t care if you’re offended.) It just means I have the vernacular down for this character.
So, you can climb down from your moral soapbox now… with no hard feelings from me!!! I viewed this as a jovial back and forth anyway, I know I’m smiling.
Oh, I almost forgot… *pretending. If you’re going to use italics you should spell the italicized word correctly, otherwise it just looks silly.
@wtf_turmoill - I live on a farm. If wadges were higher we have no problem getting people to harvest onions
@trunthepaige - But is it reasonable to pay someone more to pull up onions?
Well yes it is. Your argument was used by slave holders pre civil war
No…where is she going to run too while giving birth? It is inhumane and dangerous….
Another set up by Dan. Is he gleefully reading the answers? I suppose he read the part about Chicken processors who can’t do the job like illegal aliens.? I for sure would not want the rich to become richer by exploiting the illegal aliens.
Ignoring my anti rich capitalistic itch, what’s up with the people who disapprove of illegal aliens taking advantage of the United States? Were they beat out of a spot because immigration allows foreign workers to replace American workers? I for one am glad there are some good neighbors from other countries. Who knows if a Filippino nurse will take care of my health in the future?
Is Dan still reading? Is he glad that Blacks are being replaced by immigrants? Maybe he is hoping Blacks will take care of the immigration problem? Maybe he wants minorities to be fighting among themselves for the crumbs that society designs to give to them?
Would Dan’s post backfire? Maybe the police will become less strict and G-d forbid be nicer people? I know that Los Angeles is preparing to house and educate felons from the prison system. The police will have to accept a larger role in society like the military is accepting a larger role (and more diverse role ) in policing the world.
To all the people arguing about illegal immigration: you’re missing the point. I don’t care who it is or what they’ve done, NO ONE deserves to be handcuffed during labour and childbirth. No one. They’re not a flight risk at that point, and treating anyone like that is barbaric and inhumane. Full stop. Deportation, prosecution, legal procedures… all of that stuff can wait. Let the poor woman have her baby in peace and with a modicum of dignity and medical care. A civilized society should provide no less.
Ok, so I’m not saying that she should have been KEPT in handcuffs – that’s sheer idiocy and cruelty. But I WOULD like to point out that they did cuff her PRIOR to going into labor.
@zzzzzulavalle - and both my parents both went through this too. And it was difficult for them, but they still did it the right and legal way. Just because you want a better life for your family does not mean you have the right to cheat the system! How is it fair to those who actually did it legally? And using somebody’s social security number is NEVER okay. And thank you for assuming I listen to Fox news, but I don’t.
@Baseballchik138 - I want to start off by saying, I apologize for the fox news comment. Anyway, my grandparents did it the legal way too and they still had to wait almost 20 years to finally be legal. Some very poor people in Mexico and other countries have no choice but to come here through the border, which is more expensive because they have to pay someone to smuggle them over. The reason most of them do it this way is because when they apply for a visa, they don’t get accepted, therefore they cant get a passport. Like I said to someone else, not all illegal immigrants use other people’s social security numbers. I agree that its wrong, but most people just use their names to work here, not to steal from their bank accounts. A lot of them don’t even need to go as far as stealing someones s.s to work here because they don’t plan on staying here long. They just want to work here temporarily any job they can, to send money over to their families. They want a better life that desperately that they’re willing to risk their lives by crossing the border. Get it now?
@zzzzzulavalle - I got it before you explained it, but it doesn’t make it anymore right. Regardless of whether or not they’re stealing from somebody’s bank account, using somebody’s s.s number is still identity theft. Also, does it seem right that they cross the border and then send the money they make back to Mexico? Maybe it helps their family, but it doesn’t benefit our economy.
@BlindSight22 -
“Yes, I’m an asshole. No, I don’t care if you’re offended.”
GREAT JOB, BABE!
Shackling me while giving birth wouldn’t stop me from killing you if you had the key.
@BlindSight22 - Wow, what a cheap reply.
@Baseballchik138 - “There probably are costs, but they are not that big because
undocumented immigrants pay taxes. And the costs are much smaller
compared to the economic benefits.”
“it is important to realize that contrary to
popular myth, illegal immigrants pay many local, state and federal
taxes, said Marcia Hohn, executive director of the Immigrant Learning
Center, an advocacy group in Malden that provides free English classes
to adult immigrants and refugees.”
“There are lots of hidden taxes that immigrants are paying”“The Internal Revenue Service and state officials report that an
increasing number of undocumented workers are paying federal and state
income taxes using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, or
ITIN, rather than a Social Security Number. An ITIN is a tax processing
number issued by the Internal Revenue Service regardless of a person’s
immigration status.”
Do you want any more evidence? Because its as simple as a google search. Please educate yourself on an issue before sound off. It just makes you look very ignorant to people who read what you say.
@Rainboxx - Thanks, babe!!! It’s the truth. Although, I’m done responding to this person, they have now dragged it into day two, and I really don’t care that much to keep firing back. I’ve moved on… let them jabber to the empty space my involvement used to occupy… should be fun for the imaginary walls, no one ever talks to imaginary walls, I’m sure they’ll enjoy the company!
Shakling while giving birth is also illegal against international laws. But the US doesn’t care about international laws.
See the Amnesty International report “Not Part of My Sentence” for a list of international laws that are often broken here in the United States when it comes to women prisoners.
@zzzzzulavalle - It’s cute how you think one simple Google search can answer all of your life’s problems. Google provides you with answers based on what you asked, which can VERY easily give you biased results. I grew up in a city that was 98% Hispanic and I can guarantee you more than half of them were not only undocumented but were also getting paid under the table. This means, they weren’t paying taxes. And when you’re not paying taxes and every penny you make gets sent to Mexico so that your family can have a better life, many local businesses go under. Money made in America, is expected to be spent in America because it helps keep our economy afloat. I know an increasing number of illegal immigrants are paying taxes, but don’t you think if you’re going to move to a country and make a life there you should go through the process? You know, we’re not the only country in this world who wants it’s inhabitants to be citizens?
@Baseballchik138 - LOL don’t act like any of this affects you. I find it really sad that even though the facts are right in front of you, you still manage to be stubborn and have them go in one ear, and right out the other. There is no point in me trying to keep proving you wrong because it’s equivalent as talking to a wall.
@zzzzzulavalle - Of course this affects me. My parents still live in that goddamn city, as do my friends and it affects everybody who lives in this country. This is an issue that affects every one of us. There aren’t any facts in front of me, sweetie, all you did was take three quotes from a google search and post them on this blog. Maybe one day you’ll wake up and see why being here illegally is wrong, but for now, I hope you have a wonderful day!
@Baseballchik138 - Your parents still living there honestly has nothing to do with that, so I dont know why you are even bringing that up. Like I said before, responding to you is like talking to a wall. See ya
@zzzzzulavalle - Well, that city is still facing the same problems it has always been facing because of illegal immigration… please, take a government course. You’ll learn a lot…
@Baseballchik138 - LOL A GOVERNMENT COURSE. you’re funny. WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS? can you please list them for me?
@zzzzzulavalle - How about…schooling undocumented children is breaking the bank! Yes, it’s a good thing that these children are at least getting an education, however, our taxes are intended for LEGAL citizens.Think of how much more money we could spend per child if illegal immigrants were deported! Also, illegal aliens drive uninsured. This drives up our insurance rates! We’re expected to pay more incase we’re in an accident with an illegal alien. When many are jailed, this also hurts our economy! It cost California 33,000 dollars a year to house ONE inmate. Guess who covers these cost? We, the taxpayers do! Illegal aliens are just an extra cost. Look, I don’t have a problem with immigration, I have a problem with ILLEGAL immigration. If your intention is to live in this country, you better do it legally. It shouldn’t matter how difficult or how expensive it is to become a legal citizen or resident, if you intend on working in this country you better do it the right way.
@Baseballchik138 - Its cute how you think by listing all those facts that it makes you sound like you know what you’re talking about, but thanks for all that obvious information anyone living here with a brain knows anyway. You didn’t answer the question I asked you though, which was how it affected you and your parents directly and what illegal immigrants have to do with your parents still living in that city or whatever you were blaming them for. It seems like when people are bitter about something they are quick to point the finger at someone that really doesn’t have anything to do with their problems in the first place. To respond to your other comments, sure, to you it might sound as simple as coming here legally and applying for residency here, but it doesn’t work that way. Most people that come here illegally is because they have no choice, and its actually a lot more expensive and risky. They try to come here legally, but when they apply for a visa, they get rejected, therefore have no other way. Are you following so far? As for the people that do come here the legal way, even if they put their papers into work as soon as they get here, it most likely will take more than a few years until they finally become legal, so they have no choice but to live here illegally until then after their visa expires. A lot of them (like my grandparents) had to wait up to 20 years until they finally became legal. Yes, it could take that long, even if they’re on top of things with your lawyers. So don’t think you know how everything works, until you really go through it yourself or know someone who went through it. I’d like it if you didn’t respond to this because I’m not gonna get anywhere with someone as ignorant as you.
@zzzzzulavalle - Did I say how long it took my parents to become citizens? Because it also took them nearly 20 years too. Look, quite honestly, this argument doesn’t mean enough for me to keep going. There is no way we’re going to see eye to eye, so I’m done with this conversation. It’s not worth my time.
@Baseballchik138 - Hm, nope. You failed to mention that in your many previous posts, but all of the sudden just HAPPEN to mention it when I say that my grandparents waited 20 years (coincidence?) to be legal. At least I won’t be having to replies whenever I log onto my xanga.
@zzzzzulavalle - alright then, bye!
@Baseballchik138 - BAI