May 31, 2012

  • Breastfeeding in Uniform

    Two women are coming under fire for breastfeeding while in military uniform.  (I like the double whammy on the left).

    Some people think it is wrong because they are in military uniform.  Here is the link:  Link

    Do you think it is inappropriate to show the women breastfeeding in uniform?

                                                                               

Comments (100)

  • I see the controversy, but baby’s gotta suck on some titties no matter what mama’s wearing.

    It says to me strong women are still loving mothers.

  • You have seriously got to be kidding me

    *headdesk*

    The things people choose to get their panties in a twist about. Honestly, people, really? REALLY?

    Gah, stop the world. I want to get off!

  • Ummm…. As a woman, more power to them. As an American, thanks to them for serving this great country.

    As for the topic… Well… I really have an issue with it.

  • Morality and controversy aside, it is ILLEGAL to not allow these women to breastfeed, no matter what they happen to be wearing.

  • Now, to answer the question…

    NO. It is NOT innapropriate in any way. So, what? They should change into street clothes, every time their baby gets hungry? That makes a ton of sense. But… considering the source…

    The problem, in my opinion, is not moms breastfeeding their kids in uniform. The problem here, the REAL effing problem, is the idiots who have an issue with it. The idiots who are causing a big stink over it. Honestly, I wish these people would get some sense or shut the hell up!

    In the article it said that people are comparing this to urinating and defecating in uniform. LOL.

    See what I mean? Of course the completely uneducated, ignorant morons would say something like that. They’re the problem.

    People need to get over their hangups with breastfeeding in public, uniform or no uniform. Gah!!

    This just pisses me off.

    There are bigger issues to cause a stink about than THIS you freaking morons!

  • No!  When I was in the Navy, women breastfed in uniform on base (and in the duty office) many times.  Hungry babies need to eat, even on base when their mothers were in uniform.  Shame on people who continue to insist that women can’t be women!

  • @Megabyyte - I agree with you.  Oh, dear.  I hate the poo/pee comparison to breastfeeding.  As if producing food was the same thing as producing waste!

  • Why don’t they just have new military uniforms issued to women without tops. Problem solved.

  • They’re fighting for our freedoms, so this is most appropriate. (Then again, I’m partial and do like to look at tits, er, breastfeeding.)         

  • @ShimmerBodyCream - Well, those of us who have served would have liked to work for our pay, but I reckon no shirts on the job wouldn’t have been too bad in Puerto Rico!  lmao

  • No, it is inappropriate to sexualize women who are breastfeeding by saying things like, “I like the double whammy on the left”.

  • why has no one on xanga picked up on the miami zombie attack yet?

  • I’ve spent about 14 years of my life in Japan.  There’s no hangup about it there.  You see breastfeeding everywhere and get used to it.  Here we treat breasts almost like they’re private parts.  But I think more and more women are starting to do it.

    I think it’s OK for military women as long as it doesn’t interfere with their duty(they certainly couldn’t do it on a firing range or field exercise.)

  • there could be worse things. how about we put women who do not feed their babies under fire? irony.

  • what? I don’t see why people would even be offended.. what’s the problem? they’re soldiers with children who gotta eat. It’s not like they were doing it in the middle of a memorial day parade hahaha

  • LOL I knew when I saw this on the news you’s write about it. 

  • What would the alternative be?  Just taking off their uniforms and breastfeeding in the nude?  People are stupid sometimes.

  • I can see both sides. I don’t see anything wrong with a woman feeding her child.

  • No; military moms need  to nurse their babies, too.
    @specialxplaces - Well said!!!@TiredSoVeryTired - I always want to ask those who say nursing mothers should do so in the ladies’ room,  “Are you hungry?  If so, head into the TOILET, and I’ll bring lunch.  While you eat it, I will go into the stall next to you and take a crap.  Sound good?” 

  • A lot of things are inappropriate in uniform, so I can see how there would be a problem. At the same time, though, it doesn’t matter what mom is wearing. If baby is hungry, baby needs to eat.  I’m really kind of indifferent, simply because there are already limits to what you can do in uniform.

  • @lonelywanderer2 - Or how about they sit on a public toilet fully clothed for twenty minutes and see if it is a pleasant experience.  I mean really, where do they expect most women to sit in a restroom?  Not all places have fancy couches in a lounge next to the restroom.  

  • @TiredSoVeryTired - Exactly.  Sadly, many WOMEN suggest this.  Really?  People seriously need to grow up.

  • I wish i had those double whammy boobs.  She is definitely positioning her children a certain way so it makes her boobs look good….that’s all i can focus on right now…LOL

  • people need to get a life.  seriously.  who cares?  i see worse things on the streets…crime. 

  • I am not a mother, and maybe I’ll change my mind after I have my own child BUT… it doesn’t offend me that they are breastfeeding in uniform. What bothers me is breastfeeding in public. Please do not get me wrong- I’m not a prude or conservative. But I do believer there is a time and place for everything, and instead of pulling out a breast in the middle of a restaurant or retail store, why can’t mothers find a quiet place out of the way to feed their young? I get that it’s a natural thing. Breasts are beautiful and the human body is a natural thing. But I still believe there’s a time and place and it’s not in the public forum.

  • I don’t think it is inappropriate.

  • Yeah.

    In the same way, it would be inapproriate for a nurse to moonlight as a roadside prostitute in her work uniform or for a police officier to shoot a porn with her official NYPD badge.

  • What the… what? I don’t even…. Why does it matter what they’re wearing??

  • Want women to serve in the military?  Let them be women.

  • It’s not wrong. 

  • Oh no, babies having lunch. HOW OFFENSIVE! People need to get a grip.

  • Boobs in the military! Who wooda ebber thunk?

  • So male soldiers can play some baseball in uniforms and that’s okay, whereas female soldiers can’t feed their babies in uniforms?

    Wow.

  • I don’t see what the big deal is.

  • @TrueBritt - and where do you want them to go? It’s a baby having it’s a lunch. We don’t tell adults to go and eat their lunch in a public toilet or a dressing room, so why should a baby be any different?!

  • No. Soldier’s children, just like any baby, need to eat. What difference what mom is wearing?  Hungry babies definitely do not care what their mother is wearing while feeding them.

  • If they had blankets on it wouldn’t be an issue it’s only the fact the that girls tits are showing and her shirts up etcetc.

  • I breast feed in nurses uniform-there is a way to do it that you don’t have to show off. I never liked going in the stinky bathrooms so I would just find a place and turn my back to the people and feed my child and put a burp rag over my shoulder.

    to me this photo is exposing yourself and that embarrasses everyone

  • Do you think it is inappropriate to show the women breastfeeding in uniform?

    NO I think it is fine for them to breastfeed no matter what :)

  • I like the double whammy on the left too…I would not mind…wait nvm I did not say a thing.

  • As long as they aren’t walking and eating or smoking at the same time.

  • Yes.  Considering we can’t even put our hands in our pockets…

    Am I saying disallow breastfeeding in uniform?  No.  However, should they be doing it publicly and for the world to see/document?  No.  

  • @daydreams_nightmares - I used to work in a mall. There was a sitting area off to the side of the food court. I was sitting there one day on my break and a mother with an infant & toddler approached me and asked if she could sit there to feed her child. I immediately gave her my seat and let her have privacy. Instead of doing it in the middle of the food court, she found a more acceptable place. That’s where I want women to go.

  • @TrueBritt - yeah, but when a baby’s hungry, a baby’s hungry. What if they’re in the middle of the park, or somewhere where there isn’t any privacy? I just don’t get the issue. We’re not forced to eat in private or in special rooms, so why are babies any different?

  • It is a must that the military goes abreast with it…

  • Of course not. Moms have to feed their babies.

  • Based on the picture it looks like this is another “shock value” thing about breastfeeding, which bothers me. Breastfeeding in public on base seems inappropriate because it’s a professional workspace and you can’t whip your titties out at work. Babies gotta eat, but when momma’s at work (wearing her uniform), baby should be elsewhere.

  • @Mind_of_Eplx - You just have ruined your good reputation.

  • i am so confused :S what is wrong? it is like saying man shouldnt go to his boy’s soccer game with his suits on. =.= seriously wtf. nothing is wrong with women who want to breastfeed their kids

  • Maybe they should have used a blanket?… Like most women do…

  • @lonelywanderer2 - I was talking about this with my sister this weekend.  She’s not a mother.  She said women should go nurse in the bathroom stall. And I said, “Would you sit on a toilet and feed a baby a bottle?”  She gave a nasty face and was like, “No way, that’s gross… Oh…”  She got my point.  That was the first time I thought about myself sitting on a toilet.  WTH?  They don’t have lids, do people really expect a woman to sit on a public toilet with her clothes on when some of us don’t sit on the toilet to even pee!  Argh.  Well, at least she won’t suggest a toilet as a good place to eat anymore.  

  • @pikachooseyou - I was in the Navy.  Women nursed on base in uniform, I’ve seen it.  Not a big deal if people respect women aren’t simply sex objects for the enjoyment of men.  

  • @TrueBritt - People eat in public all the time.  The problem is people still insist that breasts are only for the sexual enjoyment of men.  Once we get over ourselves, nursing in public won’t be an issue.  Hell, in Islamic countries where women can’t show their face, they can bare their breasts and nurse in public.  America should be ashamed.  

  • Heck no they can breast feed AND kick ass!

  • Not at all. Part of the magnificence of being a woman is the ability to multi-task effectively. These women are soldiers and mothers. You must breastfeed when your child needs to eat, no matter what you are wearing. And if its the bare breast that is offensive in uniform, breastfeeding actually is the whole reason we have breasts.
    I dont know if you’ve ever had the pleasure (sarcasm) of watching a bunch of serviceMEN get shore duty or weekend leave but Ive seen them in uniform doing very unbecoming things. This is not offensive.

  • @TiredSoVeryTired - OK. My husband is in the navy. I have not seen this behavior yet, and seriously think it’s not something they generally “agree” with or promote women in uniform doing outside on base. Regardless of how you look at it, many men are just little boys and it could cause negative behaviors/attentions that are especially inappropriate for people in the military. Nursing indoors, perhaps around a controlled audience, would be more professional. Regardless of what boobs were made for (nursing), they are also a heavily sexualized body part in society. That’s just the way it is.

  • @locomotiv - Na I never had a good one in the 1st place :)

  • @pikachooseyou - Men who act like little boys act that way because people let them.  I’ve seen Navy women nursing in public on base and in the duty office.  The men got over it.  They weren’t all happy about a woman nursing in the duty office, in uniform, but they were adults and got over it.  Some of the guys didn’t care at all that the woman was nursing in the duty office because they either had wives that nursed or they were adults about it.  Navy guys aren’t a bunch of idiots, I know that because I served with them.  They reflect society at large and society should get over it too.  It is not a mother’s problem to make grown men act their age when it comes to breastfeeding.  If a Navy guy can’t handle this kind of situation he isn’t mature enough to be in the Navy period and should be kicked out.  It’s 2012, and women are in both the work place and the military and if they choose to be mothers and nurse, society has to get over themselves.  The Navy may have started out as the “good ol’ boys’ club”, but the boys no longer make all the rules.  

  • @TiredSoVeryTired - Ha; it’s great when you finally make someone realize how silly they’re being!!!

  • This is beyond stupid. Yes, these women are in the military, but not only do they have a duty to their country, they have a duty to their children as well. There is so much violence on tv with people being horrifically killed, but god forbid, you see breasts. Where are the priorities?

  • I saw this on MSN and thought about putting in on my site, but figured I’d see it on yours.

  • @TiredSoVeryTired - It’s either all ok, or it’s not all ok. Women cannot just bare their breasts in public, even for the sake of feeding children. 

  • @daydreams_nightmares - it’s a different issue because it involves nudity. Don’t get me wrong, as I stated before, I am not a conservative or a prude. In fact, I’m all for nudity… I’m in the Guinness Book of World records for it, but that’s a story for another time.
    It’s either ALL ok, or it’s all NOT ok. When I have to pee, I have to go. But I can’t just do it in public. I have to find a private, acceptable place. And that’s a natural thing that involves nudity. Look I know it’s a stretch, but I’m tired of women not seeing the other side of this issue.

  • I also like the tits on the left.

  • No, but I have to admit I did laugh out loud at the picture haha.

  • @TiredSoVeryTired - I don’t get the gung-ho, “I should be ALLOWED to whip my titties out wherever I want ’cause of my baby!” thing. They make breast pumps for that reason. Breasts are not only for nursing babies, they’re also a sexual body part. The man that helped you make that baby sucked on them for non-nursing reasons when you were making the baby. In a professional setting, your tits shouldn’t be hanging out regardless of whether or not your baby’s hanging off the other end. Use a cover or use a breast pump and feed him your milk from a bottle. Not hard, and much more appropriate.

  • @pikachooseyou - That’s your problem… you don’t whip your titties out to feed your baby.  You feed your child with your breasts.  Titties are in strip clubs, breasts feed babies.  It’s not about being gung ho, it’s about respecting women.  You obviously fail to respect women as people.  You should probably think about why you’d see a mother nursing a baby and think to yourself, she’s showing her titties instead of thinking “oh, she’s feeding a baby”.  It’s a total lack of respect for women, which even women fall into.  Whether or not a man has sexually touched a woman’s breast doesn’t negate their function for feeding babies.  It’s like saying all women should have C-sections because a penis goes into a vagina and there’s no way a baby should ever come out of there.  Way to shove women down into everything about her body should be for men.  Blah!  

    And just because breast pumps exist, that doesn’t mean any woman should use them, we aren’t cows after all.  

  • @TrueBritt - Yes, legally in many states a woman can bare every inch of her breast to nurse in public.  It’s a legal right.  And for the record, man boobs and lady boobs are the same to me and I have no issue with bare breasts in public at all.  

  • There’s only one kind of person that objects to seeing a woman’s breasts, and that kind of person is called a gay person.

  • what the..how…WHY THE HELL IS THIS EVEN AN ISSUE!

  • As a female in the military, I did find that picture as an inappropriate display.    My husband who is also in the military best explained the situation as, “The men aren’t going to focus on the fact that a mother is feeding her baby, all they’re going to see is boob.”  The military is a culture and world in of itself. 

    In a related article at this link:

    http://moms.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/30/11955844-military-mom-proud-of-breast-feeding-in-uniform-despite-criticism?lite

    There is a statement made by the female Marine officer that
    succintly describes why breastfeeding in public would be a detriment
    to the military mission.  Women have fought too long and too hard to be taken
    seriously while serving in the military.  It’s still an uphill battle
    for women in the service, especially when the government is at a
    controversial stage of allowing women into combat arms positions.  For
    a male servicemember to have the image of a female servicewoman nursing a babe at breast will
    completely alter his perception of her as a Warrior.  I don’t say that as a guess, I say it because it is true.

    The female Marine officer best stated this: “I would never nurse in uniform. I took my child to the bathroom or a private office when her nanny brought her to me …. Not because I was ashamed of nursing, nor of being a mother. All the guys knew I pumped. The military is not a civilian job. We go to combat and we make life or death decisions, and not just for ourselves but for those we lead. The same reason I would never nurse in uniform is the same reason I do not chew gum, or walk and talk on my cell phone, or even run into the store in my utility uniform. … We are warfighting professionals. Women before us have worked too hard to earn and retain the respect of their male peers. I don’t want my Marines to look at me any other way than as a Marine. When I am asking them to fly into combat with me and do a dangerous mission, I do not want them to have the mental image of a babe at my breast. I want them to only see me as a Marine. Let’s be a realistic folks. We give up many freedoms being in the military…Breastfeeding in front of my fellow Marines was one of them.”

    Women should be able to breastfeed in uniform, but they should
    exercise discretion and modesty in doing so.  Military bases should
    create facilities/rooms that create privacy for the nursing mothers,
    so that they don’t get banished to a toilet stall.

    Yes, breastfeeding for a mother is natural and beautiful.  However, professionalism in an environment such as the military simply can’t be understated. 

  • @pikachooseyou - hear, hear. I wholeheartedly agree with you! 

  • @TiredSoVeryTired - I will have to disagree with your statement about the generalization of Islamic women baring breasts for breastfeeding.  In Iraq and Afghanistan, not once did my husband or I ever see a bare breast.  Women were often covered head to toe in burqas.  For Muslim women,  it’s considered sinful to bare their heads.  They would get stoned to death if they breastfed in public!

  • @vivachu - I’ve never been to the Middle East I can only go by what others have told me.  And of course, depending on where and what area, there’s no doubt that some Muslim women would have issues.  But breastfeeding is supposed to be mandatory of mothers under Islamic law and in some cultures public breastfeeding happens all the time. 

    I once had a friend who was from Afghanistan and he said public breastfeeding was the norm, this was before the Soviets invaded.

  • @vivachu - Oh, please.  I’ve stood by while Navy guys watched our shipmate nurse her baby in the duty office while she was in uniform.  Yes, some were stunned, some were shocked, and a few couldn’t believe anyone was making a big deal out of it.  Yes, it was a hot gossip topic for a bit, as is anything else in the Navy.  But scuttlebutts die, and everyone goes out does their job!  None of the guys treated her less at all because of it. 

    Women serving in the military are not men and shouldn’t be treated as such.  Women get pregnant and nurse their babies.  It’s what women do. 

  • @TiredSoVeryTired - Yes, Ma’am. It’s possible that happened before the Soviet invasion.  Afghanistan was incredibly modern at the time and women wore skirts, had jobs, got educations, and didn’t cover their heads.  Once the Taliban gained control, hence the Soviet Afghan war, they receded into a backward state that continues even to this day.  I don’t doubt that other countries allow public breastfeeding, but there are others that would bring death upon a woman for revealing certain body parts.

    This is a phenomenal link, it showed pictures of what Afghanistan was like before Taliban rule.  It’s unbelievable that they have receded into an archaic state, literally going back to a pre-modern age.  http://www.retronaut.co/2010/10/once-upon-a-time-in-afghanistan/

  • @vivachu - Yeah, if people want to complain about an issue this would be one to look at.  The stories he told us about life in Afghanistan both before the Soviets invaded, after the Taliban took over, and after the US went in were just horrifyingly amazing.  His immediate family left before the Soviets took hold, but he had a lot of family still there.  He had some family he didn’t hear from for years during the Taliban rule.  I think it is all very sad, but the saddest was he said that the Taliban would shoot you dead on the street if you laughed in public.  Now, that is just so horrible.  Laughter is so human.  Sad.  

  • @TiredSoVeryTired - Everyone is entitled to their opinions on this – I respect that.  I can only reiterate that today any of my female officer peers and superiors would never have breastfed in front of their troops.  I commanded Soldiers in garrison and in a deployed environment.  Men will be men and they will sexually objectify a breast, regardless if the breast is exposed for natural feeding purposes.  I would never have wanted my young male Soldiers to sexually objectify me as their commander.  The military already has issues of sexual harassment, sexual discrimination, and sexual assault.  You can stop people from saying unprofessional things, but you certainly can’t stop them from thinking illicit and inappropriate thoughts.  As a commander of troops at the time, I would NEVER have wanted my Soldiers to talk about my breasts behind my back.  It leads to the deterioration of good order and discipline in a unit.  Sure, it won’t stop them from doing their job in the end, but it would definitely affect how WELL they would do their job.  I would never want to give them a reason to lose credibility and respect for me as a leader because I’ve exposed a body part that our society in general has made taboo.  A unit that does not respect and believe in its leaders does not train well nor perform well.  Poor discipline, poor training and poor performance in garrison leads to death on the battlefield.  We are a profession of arms.  It’s a culture that many will never understand.  I thank you for your service in the Navy.  It’s because of our servicemembers and their sacrifices that represent our ability to maintain this freedom of speech.

    I only hope to impart to others why there is the other half of women in this profession of arms who would adamantly choose not to breastfeed publicly in uniform .

  • @vivachu - @TiredSoVeryTired - 

    Vivachu hit the nail on the head.  Aside from the fact that being in the military, especially in uniform leads to many restrictions (i.e. hands in pockets), breastfeeding in uniform seriously jeopardizes the amount of respect a woman will have.  It may not be right, but doing so comes off unprofessional, even if the woman is not in the military.  For a servicemember, the ramifications are many times worse.  Women have a hard enough time as it is, and then to engage in an activity which definitively sets them apart from their male counterparts leads to a breakdown in the unit cohesion.  Women are already held to different standards, and to exaggerate these difference any further will just cause more discord.   

  • I’m sorry what was the purpose of this post? O.O

  • @npr32486 - What? I was in the Navy.  I’ve been there while a woman nursed her baby in Navy dungarees in the squadron’s duty office and our squadron did not fall apart, not even a little bit.  I would say that the uproar over it (and this girl let it all hang out for all to see) was about equal to the uproar over the ATAN and PR1 who Security caught screwing in the line shack and all of that was FAR less than the grumbling about the guy who crashed while drunk, broke his leg badly, and sat in the Duty Office on a limited duty chit for two months.  Men in the military aren’t all a bunch of dumbasses who can’t get the job done because all hell is broke loose over a mother nursing her child.  I actually would say that there was more stress working with assholes who went off to the whore houses on detachment than dealing with the guys who saw our shipmate nursing.  But I’d reckon the only issue here is a woman who nurses her baby?  Forget the married guys going off to hookers or all the guys who got caught drinking and driving, it’s the breasts of Navy woman nursing her child that is an issue.  In my experience, the boys who saw it did their job just fine after they saw it. 

    It may be a Navy with a history of male sailors only, but damn that’s been decades and decades.  It’s about time men get over themselves.  Women, can and do serve effectively in the Navy whether they expose a breast in feeding a child or not!  Women can serve and the military will need to adjust itself to the fact that it’s not just the “good old boys’ club” anymore.  And plenty of guys defended that woman’s right to nurse where her sick baby needed to be fed.  Surprise, surprise not all men are cry baby boys.  I also served with guys who didn’t care if they served with gay people, but I’m sure you’ll tell me they don’t exist either. 

  • @vivachu - I can respect your position based on you being an officer.  But let me tell you, whether you want to know it or not, all those enlisted men have already discussed your breasts, your ass, your lips, what color your vagina is, and every inch of your body.  They do so, not simply because they are men, but because society continues to let them view women as only sexual objects.  And believe me I have heard what military men say about women in the military all up and down the chain of command, and what they say is not pretty.  When American culture finally gets over the fact that issues unique to women may make us different, but they do not make us incompetent, only then do we gain true respect as people.  Hiding breast feeding like it is a vile dirty act that men should look upon as sexual hurts us women.  It does not help us to hide that we are women who have breasts that lactate in order to feed our babies.  It hurts us very deeply and keeps us in a downgraded position.  I remember when the woman nursed in the duty office and the boys were off cracking jokes, one of the First Class Petty Officers admonished them for acting like children.  That shut them up, right there and then in the squadron spaces.  These men need to have it pointed out to them how disrespectful they are.

    The men you command should look at you and see only that they must follow your commands.  If we continue to allow them to see us as only for sex, we will not win anything.  I was once assistant supervisor in my shop over two people who were senior to me.  Why?  Because I was competent in my job and could do it better than they could.  I had a lot of trouble with one of the guys because as he told me, “He didn’t take orders from a woman.”  I know how it feels to have my authority questioned and disrespected.  But as long as we must hide what makes us women, we will not gain any more respect.  Men need to accept that as women, we are competent.  Any grown ass adult man should look at any woman nursing (in uniform or not) and know he is just looking at a mother feeding her child.  And if he isn’t mature enough to do that, perhaps he shouldn’t be trusted with a gun or any military job whatsoever.  I have two boys (ages 9 and 11) and even they know not to disrespect a nursing mother and to simply look away if they see one.  Perhaps, the military needs better training on issues of sexual harassment.

  • Obviously posed. I find militarism like that creepy!

  • @TiredSoVeryTired - It’s taken decades for women to get to where they are today in the military.  They still face insurmountable discrimination and it may take decades to ever get to a point where there’s a happy balance. The military culture just isn’t ready despite the rapid changes that have been pushed by our legislators.  It’s not an issue of having more prevention of sexual harassment classes.  There are quarterly, biannual, and annual sexual harassment/assault awareness/equal opportunity classes that servicemembers are educated on.  The military does take sexual harasssment very seriously and has programs emplaced to address, educate, and reinforce  this topic.  Leaders everyday already enforce discipline and respect to the best of their abilities.  It still hasn’t stopped the number of reported and unreported harassment and assault cases.  Some of the best warriors who are entrusted to handle weapons and death-defying missions can still be crass and still don’t believe women should be in the military.  I’m just of the belief that because of the present day mentality (that certainly isn’t going to change rapidly any time soon), exposure of the breast in uniform is not commonly practiced because many women recognize that it makes them cannon fodder for the discrimination that they already face.  Maybe one day, years down the line, it might be acceptable to breastfeed in uniform.  However, they’re just not ready for it now. 

    The best thing that can set the stage for the future is what you have done – taught  your boys at an early age at home what it means to properly respect a woman.  Only that can make a huge difference once they mature, enter the work force, and have the abilities to influence the people around them.  Unfortunately, the rest of society hasn’t caught up with that.

  • @vivachu - I’m not okay with continuing to allow only men to make the rules.  Any time society must make changes (like assimilating freed slaves into common society) people resist the change and everyone else allows them to do so.  When, I was in the Navy there was a female chief retiring.  One of the airman (E3) started complaining about standing the retirement ceremony for a woman.  Now, it’s true retirement ceremonies are long and you stand a lot.  He was going on and on about a woman being in the military and he shouldn’t have to stand the ceremony because she shouldn’t be in the Navy in the first place.  I just don’t tolerate that kind of bullshit.  But not one single guy was saying a damn thing so I spoke up.  I asked him how old he was and he was still a teenager.  She had served for 22 years.  So, I pointed out to him that he had no right to complain because she had been in the Navy longer than he had been alive.  Finally, another chief stood up and chewed him out, and that airman walked out and stood the ceremony.  And the antics over the nursing sailor in the duty office wasn’t stopped until someone else told them to grow up. 

    Not speaking up, not getting back up for women is the issue.  So, if these women get no backup from any men to breastfeed in their uniform, the rest of the troops will act like babies.  Now, I know damn well when you are working right next to each other to get a job done some of that personal issue stuff works itself out.  I’ve seen guys have to work together to get a plane up and in the air, after one found out the other had slept with his wife.  These issues of various sorts happen all the damn time in the military.  It’s about time women stand up for ourselves and say no more!  It’s been over a decade since I served in the Navy and if much hasn’t changed, that’s because women haven’t demanded it.  Men sure as hell aren’t going to give it.  Their mentality that only men get to make the rules as women are allowed to tiptoe around them won’t solve a damn thing.

    Until men are literally kicked out of the military for breaking the UCMJ for buying prostitutes, for having affairs, for sexually harassing women, they won’t stop because they are allowed to continue to think that women are just sex objects for their pleasure.  Yes, there’s a die-hard culture in the military, but some guys come into the military with it already ingrained.  Because it is an old culture doesn’t make it right.  Women deserve to be women and serve in the military.  Men don’t own the United States Armed Forces anymore.  (As for training, I remember a whole heck of a lot of training on a lot of stuff, but never anything on the importance for mothers to breastfeed.)

  • @TiredSoVeryTired - Could say the same thing about feeding in public. We aren’t animals; we have more modest means of taking care of our children, so there’s no reason to just whip out your girls in public. It’s about respecting the people around you and their right to not see your breasts. Titties. Same goddamned thing.

  • @pikachooseyou - I live in California and women here have to right to expose any part of their breast to feed their child, even the much hated nipple.  Nobody has the right in any state to not see breasts in public.  Prudishism isn’t a protected right.  Babies has a right to be fed, adults don’t have the right to be crybabies over some fat cells and a nipple.  Titties is disrespectful of a woman’s natural state when it comes to feeding a baby like God intended.  

  • @TiredSoVeryTired - It’s not about being “prudish” — it’s about being modest. I love boobs and choose to see them when I feel like it. I shouldn’t have them whipped out in front of me if that’s not what I want. Like I said before, that’s what breast pumps and covers were made for. I don’t care if you breastfeed in public, just keep your tits under-wraps. 

  • @pikachooseyou - Don’t come to California then, because we don’t need to cover ourselves in shame like women in burquas when we nurse babies.  In California, you have no rights to not see a breast when a mother is feeding her child.  It’s not immodest to feed a baby like God intended.  You’re in public and have every right not to stare at any exposed breast as a baby feeds. 

    Because breast pumps and covers exist, doesn’t mean any woman has to or should use them.  She’s just feeding a baby, not putting on a peep show for people too immature to look away if a baby eating is offensive. No way would I ever pump just because some people can’t handle something God created to nourish babies.

  • @TiredSoVeryTired - lol shame. You are just silly.

  • Hello,     if you’re against the breast feeding then where the father who made that lady Pregnant.if you think it’s wrong for woman ,where are the father feeding the child through  a Bottle.  How about some of the officers that stopped a woman soldier,then takes her in Back And has a good time. I do believe That  officer should be kicked  out from  Service..This is more wrong on the men then the ladies. Besifes thAt it’s 21 century now so think twice about that.      

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