July 8, 2012
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Fat Pride
I found this website called “Skinny Gossip.” The site indicates it is not a site for anorexia but instead is pro-skinny.
One of the discussions on the site is about “fat pride” and using obese or overweight models.
The writer of the article mentioned that people are much heavier these days and that the models are not getting skinnier but that we are getting fat.
One thought in the article was “The whole ‘fat pride’ movement is irritating because plus-sizers want to tell us ‘big is beautiful’ and it should be represented more in the modeling industry. I say it’s the opposite: if big really was beautiful, and most people wanted to be big, and wanted to see big people, don’t you think we’d see a lot more fat people modeling? I do. But we don’t – because it isn’t.” Here is the link: Link
Is big really beautiful?
Comments (73)
healthy is beautiful. first? SCORE.
Beautiful comes in different forms. Big can be beautiful, small can be beautiful, average can be beautiful, exotic can be beautiful…I’ve found beauty in all of them!
If the majority of the population is overweight it would make sense to have more bigger models. But its a known fact that beauty is distorted in this society. Model shoots are photoshopped to high heaven.
Duh!
Dan you adorable little cherub.
Anyone offended by the anti-fat pride thing going on here can take it up on the original poster’s forums. If you follow the link you can see her remarks and THIS is where you can comment.
I agree with your first commentator, healthy is beautiful.
Modeling clothes is just fine and any size person is great for that,depending the group you are trying to reach.Modeling shouldn’t be about modeling your body.They have Mr and Miss America for this.Modeling has gotten insanely stupid in my opinion,but thats just me.
I think in between – healthy – is beautiful. But that’s not to say that all fat people or skinny people are ugly.
Dan, you don’t care as long as they have big boobs.
Healthy is beautiful. I’ve known girls who are naturally skinny and just gorgeous and I know plus size women that are friggin’ hot, hah. But it differs from perceiver to perceiver.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder…
Why is that concept so difficult for morons to understand?
Oh, right… cause they’re morons…
If it’s a wallet.
fat chicks are ugly.
Beauty is subjective. When it comes to size, I prefer thinner. There was a time in my life where I could have been one of the people in that forum, but I’ve pretty much come to my senses. I don’t think people should feel ashamed because they happen to be overweight. There is no need to put other people down or anything else because you don’t agree with their idea of beauty.
Big can be beautiful but not enormous…
Beauty is subjective.
Healthy is beautiful – regardless of size. You follow the fashion scene closer than most men I know, is there something you aren’t telling me?
How about we stop policing other people’s bodies?
How about we value people for the content of their soul, personality, and character?
Confidence is beautiful.
Passion is beautiful.
Love is beautiful.
Bodies are incidental.
All bodies are valid.
They’re just jealous because they have teeny boobs.
I love a big woman.
@kikekink - Ugly like you?
No. Fat is ugly. But that doesn’t mean they can’t have a great personality!
Beauty comes in both big and small packages. What’s inside the package is what counts.
According to the website, the author is 5’7″ and weighs about 100lbs. Now, I’m sorry but that isn’t healthy or pleasant to look at. She isn’t one to talk. That is not just skinny, that is probably in denial anorexia with a BMI of 15.7. That is crazy! I was once 88lbs at my current height of 5′ (BMI 17.2) and I was way too damn skinny and hated it a lot!
Human is beautiful, big or small.
obese is not healthy
@crazy2love - nope. ugly like you, fatty.
People are beautiful , fat is not a thing of beauty but there are uglier things for a person to be than fat.
not everybody likes skinny.
I think fit is good
In MANY other countries fat is beautiful. It used to be a good thing to be fat. Society and Culture are what making up these “laws”. Really though, healthy is beautiful. Not everyone can be skinny some people are sick and have to take meds that make them fat, and vice versa. So no one should judge because you don’t know what is really going on with that person.
@ShimmerBodyCream - dammit, you stole my thought!
I am 78—at my age, all women are beautiful.
I don’t mind a little meat on the bones… of course, I would prefer it if that meat was muscle rather than fat… but I’ve chased a chubby or two.
I’d love to look like the woman in your picture and have that kind of flexibility!
if they are smiley person, happy all the time and fun to talk, they are beautiful.
Your thoughts are very Earthly and perhaps lacking an angelic perspective……………would you rather have a BIG FAT angel watching over you, or a skinny petite one? (Of course in my case, just having an angel of any proportion near by would be nice!!)
Bigger can be beautiful, just maybe not so much in a swimsuit.
@kikekink - lolz, I wasn’t referring to your unattractive face, I was referring to your ugly personality. Just so we’re clear =]
@crazy2love - i know. and i was referring to your ugly, fat face.
Our country needs to focus on more important issues.
Pro-skinny is just as bad as pro-fat. ugh.
@kikekink - I’d much rather be fat than be a dick like you!
Most people who get in a dither over body size/type of other people do so because they are in a dither over their own. Uncomfortable, ashamed, highly aware of, extremely invested in, and since they use the shape, weight, muscularity of THEIR body as a tool with which they judge their “OKness” they apply the same scrutiny and ruler to others.
People who aren’t overly invested in their own body type, as in identifying themselves by it, don’t much bother over the bodies of others.
No one has the right to be putting down the appearance of others, but people are going to do it anyways. Beauty is all completely subjective to the viewer, there is no such thing as an executive decision on what is or isn’t beautiful. But you know, whatever kick-starts your xanga-comments-arguments, I guess.
It’s one thing to say “we shouldn’t have skinny models,” and it’s another to say, “we shouldn’t photoshop skinny models to look EVEN SKINNIER.”
I don’t think people understand that if you have fat rolls and stuff like some of the pictures on the website, then you are unhealthy.
I don’t think people understand that if you can see your rib cage without stretching like a lot of models, then you are unhealthy.
Neither is particularly attractive.
which weight is perceived as beautiful is a mostly a cultural thing (within a certain frame of course…even though…well, maybe not), and culture is dictated by the media a lot.
It is not an entirely ‘democratic’ process, like whatever people ‘naturally’ like is sold well, but it those who have the power to reach many people have the power to influence and create a whole mentality.
I think weight isn’t actually so decisive for physical beauty.
People obsess about it because it is something they can change, so they set all hopes in it. Gotta have something to make you feel superior.
Accepting oneself and trying to stay as healthy as possible is beautiful.
I think everyone can be beautiful regardless of their size, but I am not attracted to obesity. I like healthy sized women who exercise and eat well. Certainly there are women who are bigger, but there is no denying that the obesity epidemic is just a string of obese women who are just “born that way” and that’s the kind of big that I just can’t accept.
@lorelei - *high five*
From everything I’ve seen at that site, those girls are very shallow and have placed everything on what they look like. In the comments, one even states that because she is skinny, she is better than anyone she considers ”fat”. And what they consider fat, and what most the rest of us who are not obsessed with twigginess consider fat are two very different sizes. They can all console each other and tell themselves they are superior. Since that is all they have going for them, I wouldn’t want to burst their tiny little narrow bubble.
If there’s one thing that pornography has taught me it’s that fat girls can be hot. It doesn’t make them healthy though and it’s still not be good to be fat, no matter how much I sometimes crave a big juicy plumper’s massive ass and tits. Still, there’s no pride in cardiac arrest.
Big can be beautiful.
people who r fat have fat pride. i have to think about that one but it makes sense.
one of the reasons that they prefer stick thin models on the catwalk is because they look like mannequins to display clothing. they aren’t suppose to be that sexually appealing or have curves or fat rolls that would distract from the clothing themselves. the audience is suppose to be focused on the clothing being presented, not oogle over jiggly boobs or curvy hips,etc. if they want to see sex appeal, then there are other model industry categories, such as swimsuit or lingerie modelling, where they are more sexually appealing or if they want to see more “realistic” looking women, then they also have non-catwalk models in clothing catalogs or other areas where the models might not be required to have toned bodies. why do some people still wonder why “omg this isn’t plus sized?!” when they can’t compare average everyday plus sized to the high fashion catwalk standards and if they don’t care to wear the expensive and arrogant designer clothing, then why do they care if they don’t cater to them. the designers and the marketers obviously aren’t targeting the “fat” audience in their business. if they aren’t happy, shop elsewhere. why do they have to cater to the average american sizes’ when the point of elite high fashion is to be elite. omg.
All comes down to health, as long as ur healthy, who cares
Dannnn
You would make a really sexy model.
@FattiesGonnaFat - Back off, chubster. Dan is MAH MAN.
@DrummingMediocrity - I think it is ok if we both get lady boners from him. We can share.
@FattiesGonnaFat - FINE. But I am Dan’s favorite cuz mine is bigger.
Don’t be dumb.
Oh. Too late…
@DrummingMediocrity - No argument there.
I’m 5’1″ and when my weight went from 115 to 145 it was really tough. More so than anything because I looked at my size 7 jeans before to my size 14 jeans now and I realized I couldn’t dress the way I used to anymore. I had a different body type and couldn’t wear the skin tight jeans and shirts anymore. Not saying that plus-size women shouldn’t but for my own personal preference there is a certain way I feel I must dress, i.e. modestly. But this also has to do with the fact that I’m now a wife and mother, not a club-hopping teenager anymore. =/
I am big. and I do not like the statement “Big is beautiful” I think people are beautiful for what they are be that skinny, fat, short, tall, green, gold, whatever. Beauty is personal, not measurable by pounds or inches. I also agree with the first comment. Healthy is beautiful. If a 16 year old girl is in primo physical condition at 175 good for her. Same goes for the olympic gymnasts who don’t weight more than your average 6th grader. that doesn’t mean they aren’t beautiful.
It is true that when you have a tall and lean model (not over skinny) clothes seem to hang nicer on their body frame. When I was thinner, I easily look good in clothes that would otherwise ill-fit me now.
But again, it’s not really about small or big. It’s about proportions. If you’re tall and super skinny, you’re not gonna look good. No matter what modelling industry says. You’d look like a walking skeleton. And yes, some models are, in my opinion, overly skinny. They DO look like walking skeletons on the catwalk. If you’re short AND fat, I’m sorry, you’re not gonna be a super model.
It’s all about proportions, curves, and balance. I mean, look at Eva Longoria. She’s so tiny she sometimes look like PEZ but hey, she’s beautiful because she has curves! Look at the plus sized models, they don’t have large boobs AND large belly. They have a waist (which sadly I don’t have) and because so they are beautiful.
Now, this is to me how it should be in the modeling industry. BUT this is not how it should be in real life. If you’re gorgeous with a bitchy attitude, you’re ugly to me.
Think, people, think! Once this was considered beautiful. Or this.
I’m not saying that there are *no* components of biological beauty–there probably are, we are apt to find symmetry appealing–but most notions of beauty are largely cultural. Most notions of beauty in derived cultures represent a kind of upper-class snobbery; they define “beautiful” by what what rich people can have that poor people cannot. Ergo,
a) when rich people were indoors and poor people work outdoors, pale skin was “beautiful”.
b) when rich people could vacation at the beach and poor people had to work inside all the time, tans were “beautiful”.
c) when rich people could get plenty to eat and had low-exertion lifestyles while poor people worked hard and went hungry, fat was beautiful.
d) when rich people could afford healthier food and have the time and money to workout in the gym whereas poor people were stuck eating cheap fast food and had no money and time for exercise, then thin and buff became “beautiful”. (The current situation).
This extends to clothing as well, not only in price, but even those that appear nonsensical as they limit function. Neckties (which were a danger to be caught in machinery) were/are a status symbol for men, because they are a way of saying “I don’t have to do manual work in my job”. Foot-binding in China and high heels in the US likewise were signs that a woman did not have to do manual labor.
Anyone with any idea of the cultural and historical variations of beauty knows this.
-netnguy
Like people have said before, Healthy is beautiful. All shapes and sizes are beautiful. If someone is 200 pounds and content with themselves, then that is beautiful. If someone is 110 and happy, then that’s beautiful. It’s whats inside that counts and how people view themselves. It shouldn’t matter what other think.
My rule is that if I can put my arms around a woman and my hands touch, she’s too scrawny.
http://cutedeadguys.net/threads/25424-Obese-Corpse-Causes-Crematorium-Fire?s=0be51c103d92497afbca23bd7c8fc57a
@netnguy - You’re asking people to think? isn’t that highly optimistic given the calibur of some of these replies?
I’m constantly torn on fat pride: on the one hand, I constantly talk about the importance of a good body-image. On the other, there are certain body weights that are undeniably unhealthy…whether they be too thin, or too heavy. Every body has a different happy weight (i.e., when the person eats good things, eats when they are hungry, and is active), so I don’t like to generalize. However, extra weight puts strain on a body, just as not enough weight does. Spreading the idea that fat is somehow better is just as bad as pro-ana sites that define emaciated as sublime. Each person should try to become as aware as possible of their happy, healthy weight and stick to that. Self-reflection, not subscription to pro-weight propaganda (of ANY kind), is key.
Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes. I know that saying is overrated but it’s so very true.
should we encourage anorexia or to praise the obese? a clever psychiatric nurse once told me that overweight and underweight are completely different paths to exactly the same place, major organ failure and death.
common sense tells us that healthy should be best, that moderation is key. but what is healthy? TiredSoVeryTired says that a low BMI is bad. but a body builder that has way more muscle than fat as their total body weight, have BMI’s that rival the morbidly obese. BMI, is only an estimate of healthy weight. I have read an empowering article in a womens magazine of a fitness teacher, who runs 6-9 hour long work out sessions at her local gym. she is 4 stone overweight. she admits to eating too much chocolate, cake ect and having unhealthy eating habits however, skinny minnies come to her classes to stay fit and leave bright red and sweating, she has 15 minutes to have some water and breathe deeply before she starts all over again. so who is more healthy?
is health even the issue? when we as vain, superficial human beings look at these pictures of models, do we want to see something healthy and wholesome? or something of societies perception of perfection, normality, something that is universally agreeable? or to put it another way, easy on the eyes? these models dont have to be you or your friends idea of beauty, just not hideously repulsive. are models meant to represent beauty or are they just paid to look nice and sell stuff?
i dont think many people actually care about the health of models. the industry, the readers or the models themselves.
when the planet plunged into another dark age and everyone goes hungry, big will become beautiful again.
People are beautiful in there own ways but being big/overweight is not in itself beautiful. Overweight people can be beautiful.. Being overweight is not healthy so you should not aspire to be it. Nobody should aspire to be unhealthy. That being said being underweight isn’t beautiful either. Skin and bones is unattractive and unhealthy. Don’t aspire to be unhealthy, it isn’t good for you. Being healthy and a healthy weight is beautiful as far as weight goes!